I can crack all 10 of the top level threats to humanity in less then 25 years and on less then 1/3 of the budget. To bad the government has become stupid, and they ask the contractors to write there statements of work, and the contractors write a statement of work saying " You need more of what I can't sell" and the government says "Oh yeah GOOD, put it in the budget"
Here is an example of a machine that "inputs" gravity through mechanical design.. youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ&feature=related WE need to overcome design inefficiency
These machines would be designed to accept inputs from ambient heat and gravity. I don't believe in over-unity but I do believe it is possible to output more energy than "I" SUPPLY. Do a search on "drinking bird" or "bobbing bird" and you will see an example of a machine that will operate as long as there is a source of water to "INPUT" cooling evaporation. Now imagine designs that work WITH gravity and momentum and thermal convection TO INPUT electromagnetic field effects, sunlight, et cetera.
If you know about the "Stirling engine" you know there is a potential for work from a heat differential. ... it acts in the opposite to an air-conditioner. Every machine produces a loss of efficiency due to heat produced. If our designs were to capitalize on these facts we could find several configurations of Mechanical_Thermal_Electromagnetic_Gravitational design for machines that EFFICIENTLY input these sources of force into a machine that outputs MORE energy than is DIRECTLY fed
He has no filtering after his rectifier on the DC so as others have said it is pulsing DC which the meter was not made to measure. He also likely has created a phase difference in the AC output so the current and voltage are out of phase. You cannot simply take average AC volts and average AC current and use Watts Law for a resistive load. That only applies to instantaneous power not average power. He needs to confirm the voltage and current are in phase to use Watts Law the way he does.
@acrophobia123 So, you're one of those people that thinks experience is greater than knowledge? Sorry, but experience without knowledge leads to ignorance with confidence. I have both knowledge and experience. I know far more than you can understand without the same education, it doesn't matter how much experience you have. If you are wrong, you are wrong period.
With experience, one can prove the Earth is flat many ways and believe it. A child with a photo of the Earth from space knows more.
@subsystems You have no idea the education that I have and what degrees I have. I believe knowledge is great but it is not complete. There are things left out, you are not given the entire picture. Things are left out because they have no useful benefit to the writers. Some things are left untold for safety of many things. Thanks for the reply
@acrophobia123 Your perception of what it means to be educated is way off. A true scientific education means they teach you to question everything and learn what is real and what isn't. What you are describing as knowledge is just being preached to. Science education isn't a religion where you memorize what you are told and you are done learning. That is so ignorant it is ridiculous. I know overunity is B.S. not because I was taught it but because I question why. Fool.
He's measuring pulses with a voltage meter. These meters are only intended to read steady current. It would be similar to jumping up and down on a scale that only showed the spikes in weight and claiming that you have a magic scale that will double your weight.
I wonder if he just doesn't know what he's doing or if he's a con man. I guess it depends on whether he's looking for "investors". Overunity scams are always looking for people to rip off.
I hate to badmouth overunity devices or free energy devices but of what we saw there's SO MANY WAYS that it could be a scam of any kind that you can't proove shit AND why the hell do you want to show it to us if you don't give the plans ?? that's typicaly a damn scammer way of operating ...what are we gonna see next ? promises in exchange for money ? donations maybe ? ...sheesh ..
@theREALmegaverse Why do you have a problem with "bad mouthing overunity devices"? They really don't exist so it is not like you ever bad mouth anything real.
@knowledgemonger I agree with you that everything here or elsewhere is either a scam or some idiot half bake invention that doesn't work for evident reason that few can grasp, apparently. But I just don't want to let the dream die. I don't want to be part of the discouragement we could bring to the one who would by luck or otherwise find something. My guess is it takes some very costly machined material, thus money and not a damn plank and a handfull of magnet like we see everywhere...sadly !
@theREALmegaverse The problem is that this is a complete blind alley that scammers are putting up signs saying "this is the right direction" on. This idea can't work. It is not in the unicorns and UFOs class. Nothing in the laws of physics or logic rules out a UFO. A machine like this is ruled out by the laws of physics and by logic. Warning people away from this blind alley is a positive and useful thing to do.
@knowledgemonger Ahh I wasn't speaking about this invention in particular ...this one is clearly not a real device and I won't even try to debate anything about this idiocy but sometimes we see things we are not too sure and thus merits at the very least our silence since your right and there's too many darn scammers. God knows why people try to fool others (Even when money is not involved) that's the more surprising part. Praise I suppose ? I wonder why it's important for them...
@theREALmegaverse Yes, when I see things I don't know about, I admit as much, don't comment or ask a question. This video has never been in that class.
There are folks who have made Sterling engines, wind power systems and solar power systems and put up videos of them. If you are looking for things that aren't blind alleys, they are out there.
@knowledgemonger Just out of curiosity do you believe that a free energy devices even exist or could exist ? you seem to know more in physics than me. So of what i've seen so far it could be possible to build a free energy device that can barely light a L.E.D. and make a few parallel devices to make a bigger overunity device work ? I'm not implying it's cost efficient though. well tell me your thoughs and After that I would like to expose what I though was an idea of mine before i found it here.
@knowledgemonger Just out of curiosity do you believe that a free energy devices even exist or could exist ? you seem to know more in physics than me. So of what i've seen so far it could be possible to build a free energy device that can barely light a L.E.D. and make a few parallel devices to make a bigger overunity device work? I'm not implying it's cost efficient though. well tell me your thoughs and After that I would like to expose what I though was my idea before i found it here. lol
@theREALmegaverse There really is no such thing as a "free energy" device. There is always a source for the energy. In many cases, the source is not obvious but it is always there. Many people think they have made a free energy device only to discover later that their device is consuming some part of its self. The most common example of this is things where people put electrodes in the ground and find that it produces a DC voltage. What is happening is that they have made a battery.
@knowledgemonger well if we stop at technical terms witch i understand what your saying but ANY devices consumes something if not by friction than a magnet that will demagnetized in 200+ years or electrodes that will corrode in time in the earth ...So what I meant to say is do you believe that a device that produces electricity that are of no cost to you exist beside the cost of the device it self ? and we have nothing to do with it besides possible maintenance every month or year perhaps ?
@knowledgemonger well that's what a OVER-Unity is supposed to mean ...ahh well, Anyway your saying that you never saw anything convincing ? I do not have a clear grasp of all the physics laws but i'm pretty sure you can go around a few like for example you can't go faster than light but you could go through a wormhole ? (yes, pure speculation) but like I said earlier I don't think you can do it with a plank and a handfull of magnets...Well thanks for the chat, buddy, bye.
@theREALmegaverse The thing about a worm hole is that you don't have to go faster than light. It is a short cut. If you shine light through the worm hole, it will beat you to the other side.
A better example is in quantum physics except that it turns out that you can never get information from point A to point B faster than light.
@knowledgemonger And thus going around the rule of physics of albert that is you can't go faster than light. Witch was my point. That kind of trick could apply to other laws like the famous energy consersation but i have no idea how to go around it and like you I don't think anybody did it...at least publicly (that we will see here). that's for sure. well it's sad but it's that ...
@knowledgemonger How is using a magnet to repel force against it any less viable than solar or wind? It's not something from nothing, it's something from manipulation of a magnetic field.
@trippinlikegod Solar and wind get their energy from the sun which is converting hydrogen into helium. This means that there is a source of the energy.
Repelling magnets only gets to happen after you push them together. You store energy in when you push them together. You get it back when you let them apart. There is no way to put them back together again without putting back in the energy. You can't gain any energy from the manipulation of the magnetic fields.
@knowledgemonger So by your logic no energy is required when one magnet floats above another? I suppose watch?v=hkgyY47duCM is a camera trick? Pulse motors don't actually spin? I understand what you are saying but you're basing this entire thing on CoE which doesn't apply in this case. Magnets repel against each other and can set an object in motion, that's a fact. If you can disrupt the magnetic field with less electricity than the returned motion generates you aren't violating CoE.
@trippinlikegod You seem not to be getting it. Go look up the definition of "work" as a scientist would use the word.
If you bring electrical power into a motor as the source of energy, you have an electric motor. All pulse motors consume electrical energy. People often make measurement errors and fool themselves. Narrow pulses are tricky things to measure. Battery open terminal voltages depend on temperature and many other things are over looked.
@trippinlikegod While you are looking things up, you can also look up the equation for the force between two magnetic poles. You will notice that the strength of the force only depends on their current distance and not their history or the direction. You will also notice that the force is always along a line between the two poles. With just these facts plus a little work at some math, you can show that no magnetic motors are real.
The input power to the system is not just the DC input. It is also the AC input to the transformer. So they forgot to add that input power to the equation. *BAM* try again!
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To others: In case you don't understand what is going on. @connchri and myself are having a technical discussion about how the bogus results are obtained in this video. We agree that the claims are just flat wrong and that the machine is not doing anything like what is claimed. We disagree on a technical point about the miscalculation of the electrical power. It is a mere detail.
@knowledgemonger its good to read your comments (i dont claim to fully understand them:) i have also watched other videos making claims to free energy, and was starting to seriously doubt my own common sense.... thanks for your work.... :)
First bit of confusion - I was talking about his measurement of his measured output power and not his input.
Regarding the input, the 230/110V Ac (Whatever the mains is here), this is RMS. The peak is roughly 320/155AC (again, depending on the mains). Once stepped down, and rectified, the average DC voltage will equal the RMS of the stepped down AC voltage minus the rectifier diode voltage drop - typically 1.4V for a full wave rectifier.
@connchri The output side has gawd knows what waveform on it. The machine obviously has contacts inside it when seen in another video.
You are wrong about the the average value. sqrt(2) times the RMS is what the peak is not what the average is. Go look at the video. Notice he doesn't have a filter capacitor shown on the input side. 0:14 to 0:40 in the video shows this clearly. The average thus is as I stated.
remember people in 16 century they thought the earth was flat and in that same manner our scientists can be wrong.nothing is impossible but if everybody is with the thought in the head that overunity cannot be achieved it will never be because none will try making it.There is a device that can be called an overunity device it's called the karpen pile.wikipedia is incomplete search more if interested :)
@liviooo18 The whole myth about people thinking the earth was flat in the past is largely the creation of a work of fiction. 1500 was the start of the 16th compare with 1492.
People like to use the words "nothing is impossible". Do you commonly try flapping your arms up and down in an effort to fly? Flying by flapping your arms is more likely than the machine shown in this video by an infinite percentage.
overunity does not mean plug it in...make it run...plug it out and it still runs
overunity is the ratio of the power that comes in and out of the device...if it's bigger than 1 it's an overunity device.he's is 3,62.you could not say it is possible or impossible until you have an face to face time with the device and measure it by yourself
Why is there a need for power on a 362% efficient? surely the rotation of the earth could power this device or a flea jumping on a piston. I mean come on
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This feels like the old clearance sale trick. This $1000 dollar thingy is now only $100. So just use the $900 you save to pay for the $100 thingy and voila! Pocket the $800 extra free dollars for yourself!!
Consider a 230 V AC mains supply used in many countries around the world. It is so called because its root mean square value is 230 V. This means that the time-averaged power delivered is equivalent to the power delivered by a DC voltage of 230 V.
So in this demonstration the 11 V is the rms value of the voltage, the 1.4 A likewise is the rms value of the current. And the power delivered ie. 15.4 W is the time-averaged power delivered equivalent to the power delivered by a DC voltage.
@fitzgerald95971 Seems to me that if the Overunity is producing more than it is using, the "overage" could be used to keep the Overunity running. Right?
@gorgeousdzastr i dont think it works that way. Not 100% certain. On Bendini type setup you always need the voltage in. Can't be certain without knowing what they have and the video is vague.
@gorgeousdzastr If this really was "over unity", then yes it wouldn't need an input. It is however just a prop for a scam. Even if the meters are honestly connected, you can't multiply average volts times average amps and get average watts:
Volts * Amps = Watts:
10 * 0 = 0
0 * 10 = 0
Average volts=5 Average amps=5
5 * 5 = 25 nothing useful
That this specific machine doesn't do what is claimed should not come as a surprise. What they are suggesting it does can't happen in real life.
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For a purely DC circuit, multiplying the Volts dropped by the current will give you the power in watts.
This guy is calculating the Aparent Power and not the Real Power. Big Difference!
It's easy to get higher apparrent power out than in, however, he has completely overlooked real power due to the phase shift between the current and voltage.
He'd need osciloscopes to prove it's true overunity generation - which conveinently are not being used.
@connchri A correction to your correction. He is not really calculating Apparent Power. Apparent Power is the product of RMS values. He is multiplying average values. Both his voltage and current are pulse like.
@knowledgemonger Hmm, I think that you'll find that an average reading would be zero as it's AC. This is clearly not the case and due to the analogue readings theres very little doubt he's reading RMS. A peak reading would cause the meters to read eratically, the same with the peak to peak measurement.
The only way you'd get an average voltage measurement with an AC supply is if there's a DC offset. Not the case here.
Again, his flaw is he's calculating apparent power, not real.
@knowledgemonger Btw, I wasn't in any shape or form critizing your opinion on this. I agree completely that this is not an example of overunity generation, I was simply correcting your statement that Current x Voltage does not equal Power. It does when there is unity power factor. Anything less that 1 results in the same aparent power but less real power. Hence, as in this example, the guy possibily has the same power output, but with higher V's and A's with a pf less than 1.
You can only say that V*I=P at unity power factor when RMS is being used for V and I and the "power factor" is defined to include what some people call "form factor effects". (None of this is true in this video.)
We can't assume that the meters are connected honestly. They are at a low enough point on their scale that the zero adjustment of the meters will matter. The output side volt meter is very close to zero.
This would result in a DC supply, with ripple to be fair, being supplied to his "generator". These analouge meters, at the input DC side, will be reading a correct average for the supply currents and voltages. There is no reason to disagree with his input power value.
@connchri The input side most curtainly is not AC and is not smooth DC. The voltage is as I described. The current is most likely narrow pulses based on what can be seen in other videos from the same folks.
His input side power value is bogus for exactly the reasons I explained. If he drws his power only at the peaks, the power will be just about 1/0.64 times the product of the meter readings.
It's the output power that I believe is completely wrong. He will be measuring the correct output AC voltage, and correct output AC current, but they will be completely out of phase with each other. His generator will either be a Capacitive or Inductive source, and by that very nature, a Power Factor of less than 1 will apply.
@connchri I agree that his output power calculation is bogus but you have obviously missed something important here. The waveforms are not sine waves.
I don't know what your mentioning "Form Factor Effects" is in regard to, and it certainly isn't the definition of power factor. Power factor is the cos of the angle between the Current and Voltage. For real power, you mulitple the RMS V and I and the power factor. This easily explains why he has such a high aparent power on the output.
@connchri If the output was a sine wave (which is not likely) then the simple phase angle argument applies. Consider what happens if his waveform is a pulse with a duty cycle of 10%. The phase argument fails.
I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but this is simple electrical theory, and I fail to see where you have difficulty understanding the effect of the power factor here due to the voltage and current being out of phase due to the reactive characteristics of his "generator".
@connchri I am not having any problem understanding what is going on here. You have missed an obvious couple of points. Go back and review. Don't assume sine waves at any point other than the output of the mains transformer. You will quickly see where your problem is.
@robertsutter At 0:14 is when the video shows the transformer that is connected to the mains. This is where the power enters the system. It is the large object in the frame. To its right is a bridge rectifier that turns the voltage waveform into one that looks like abs(sin(x)). At 0:28 are the average indicating meters. He multiplies these two average values (can you say bogus). At 0:47 is the spinning thing. Based on another video, this can contacts in it that open and close.
@knowledgemonger This thing works. I think everyone needs to read the all the international patents it has before the all get so down on the thing. Everybody said going to the moon was impossible too. But for now, can you tell me why you think the multiplying the meter values as an average (remember that this system pulses electricity to electromagnets against fixed magnets to get mechanical rotation) is so bogus? Even electromagnetic security gates are affordable to run and they're powerful.
@robertsutter No, the thing in this video does not work. It is just a prop for a scam combined with a lot of hot air. If you, as I suspect you do, care about the energy future, go study some physics and perhaps some electronics.
Look in the highest rated comments for why multiplying averages does not work. Even if the meters are honestly connected, you can't assume that the numbers they come up with can be trusted.
It is also not correct that everyone said going to the moon was impossible
@knowledgemonger Yes it works. You lack imagination because you are caught up in mathematics and a thermodynamic theory that this device does not break. We're talking about magnetic forces here. They only have to be on for an extrememly brief moment in time. The armature then gets thrown in a powerful rotational force by mechanical design. An RMS measurement for "pulsating" direct current in this case is not a scam. You're going to eat your words, sorry about that.
@robertsutter No, it does not work. Please feel free to send them all your money. I assume when you see an magician pull a rabbit from his hat that he has a magic rabbit producing hat.
The meters in this video are not RMS responding meters. In another video, these same guys abuse some digital RMS meters in a way that makes them misread. In yet another video they show an electric motor running on a battery and make wild claims about it.
@knowledgemonger Yes it works. What makes you say that the meter isn't RMS? There's no way the read needles would be stable if it wasn't. How are they abusing the digital meter in this other video? What is the name of the vid so I can see it? I'm listening.
@robertsutter I am familiar with that sort of meter. They are average reading. The needle is stable because there is very effective low pass filtering by the mass of the movement.
In the video where they are abusing the meters, they are feeding pulse like currents into the meters. The frequency content of the signal is well beyond what the bandwidth of that type of meter. They re very nice meters for mains frequency work and are accurate when used as intended.
@knowledgemonger How are you figuring what his frequency is? In this video it seems to not be too high. That generator isn't spinning all that fast. I can't see the commutator at all in this video, so a guess as to the frequency is a shot in the dark. What were the limitations of frequency on the digital meter?
@knowledgemonger Although you've avoided the direct details of what you think the frequency may be, we still need someone to enforce manufacturing standards and implement quality control testing. You're hired for the job. When I get mine, will you come and make sure everything is in full working order? Oh, and do you install?
@robertsutter The frequency is not one specific frequency. A short pulse at a constant rate will have all the harmonics of the base frequency.
When you get yours, I will be glad to come over and check its efficiency. The one independent expert who had a look at one of these found it was about 35% efficient so I know what equipment to bring.
@knowledgemonger I've seen claims of only 28%, and those are fraudulent. There are plenty of people who don't want this to succeed, some for no other reason than they are just merely naysayers. I'll trust the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. The Lutec 1000 works as stated.
@robertsutter You are free to send them your money. Things don't have to actually work to get a US patent. The patent office no longer requires a working model and the inspectors are over worked and under trained. Once a bogus idea gets a patent, the patent will stay on file. Since the idea is worthless, nobody is willing to pay for the lawyers to fight it.
There are 3 reasons you may claim this works (1) you are deceived (2) You are a crook (3) both.
@knowledgemonger Doooood It's coming out soon. I don't have to send any money. I went sour for a while too after seeing these vids 3 years ago and being impatient. Like I say, there are people heavily invested in other forms of power production that are fighting this tooth and nail, including our green friends the "solar" industry. SGS Australia engineers confirmed the "overunity" claims on this device and it is now patented on over 60 countries. It takes time for all that.
@robertsutter It works as stated? Is that why he has to power it from the wall plug?
The voltage he's measuring from the rectifier is incorrect. You can't use that type of meter to measure pulsing rectified voltage. It will read almost double the correct value because the inertia of the indicator needle on the volt meter prevents it from pulsing up and down at the 60 Hz rectified voltage. This is kindergarten electronics theory.
Either he knows and is a scammer or he's a clueless ignoramus.
@JustDiploid here is the problem with the internet, to many know all's. if you want to know if a thing works .....try the damned thing your self, how can you post a comment if you havnt even tryed it, you are all insane morons, thinking you are better than eachother
@findvoltage You said: try the damned thing your self
I HAVE tried the damned thing myself. In school. Where I studied elementary electrical theory and learned that he is using the wrong instrument (a DC meter) to measure an AC system.
Do I need to try using a thermometer to measure how heavy something is in order to know ahead of time that it will not work? Of course not. You measure how heavy something is with a scale, not a thermometer.
Instead of calling me an insane moron, read a book.
@JustDiploid That is your problem you studied and stuck to what you were told and never tried anything for yourself. Your studying other peoples lies lol
@acrophobia123 You have no idea what I've tried or not tried. You are reaching and engaging in a personal attack because you have nothing to argue on merit.
Point of fact is that this video was posted in 2006 and the moron who duped your gullible ass into believing it is STILL, six years later wasting time making idiot videos instead of changing the world and getting rich selling energy that costs him nothing to make.
Humans are doomed. We're too stupid to survive much longer.
@acrophobia123 You people always think that someone with a dissenting point of view must work for the evil oil company that suppresses research. Yet here is this guy posting his crackpot idea freely, without suppression, on YouTube where billions of people all around the world can see it for themselves.
You are delusional if you think any company has any power to suppress YouTube or the rest of the internet. It's typical non-thinking and why you believe this crap actually works.
well the most recent biggest manipulation on the human mind is the LHC, they even have it set so you pay to come see the blunderfull disaster, someone wants to be god but never will..
@dntpay4sftware No I mean what I said. I said that the thing that gets the biggest profit is the oil change. You should learn to read more carefully and take care to understand what is really said before you attempt to rebut.
@dntpay4sftware Cars today fail far less often than they did in the past. They are not designed to fail because a failure does not lead to a new car sale by that same company. People tend to switch car makes. The highest profit thing a dealer does is things like change the oil. That routine service is where the real profit is made. The cost is near zero.
@dntpay4sftware You state something as a FACT that is simply not true. The German and Japanese automobiles were design and manufactured with very high quality. This does not mean "never break down". This means "defect free". Try looking up "Dr Deming" in google and you will understand.
@dntpay4sftware Never breaking down is too high of a standard to require. Reliable service for 100,000 miles is a good standard. My current car needs some work done on it. I don't blame it because I know who has been driving it, and he is totally unreasonable about what he does with a car. (me) :)
@dntpay4sftware No, this is not even sustainable energy. This machine draws power from the wall and wastes part of it. It causes meters to read incorrectly, and wastes energy. Things like this help the oil companies remain in charge of the energy future. The deception does nobody any good.
@dntpay4sftware My statement about Tesla was meant as more general than it could have seemed to you.
The thing that Tesla proved (among others) is that you can fairly efficiently transmit power from point A to point B using resonant coils. It doesn't create any energy it just lets you get some from here to there. Wires will also carry power from here to there and are more efficient.
We need new transmission infrastructure but even more we need sources of energy.
@dntpay4sftware The action of gravity is a constant downward force. The magnets pushing up need to make a constant upward force. With no vertical motion of the train, there is no work being done. The only energy consumed to suspend the train is the losses is the electrical system that makes the fields and monitors the height to operate the servos that maintain the clearance.
@dntpay4sftware Maglev has nothing to do with "free energy". There is just a linear electric motor pushing it along. The energy to start the train moving in a vacuum would come for the electrical power it uses.
I really wish that people would quite slinging mud on the good name of Tesla by including it in bogus claims. He was a great inventor and one of my heroes. His stuff was real not the bogus stuff we see in this video.
Overunity is not possible in this environment. I agree with that, but i think greater efficiency is possible through use of electromagnetic force in different ways, maybe a magnetic wenkel engine providing amplification of a rotational force. It just seems to me that there is something in magnetism, gravity and inertia that is being overlooked, When Nicola Tesla stated Humanity will get free energy when he couples a machine with the cogs that drive the universe i think he was on to something.
@SquidgyMcGee (There is no way that the motions of any combination of magnetic poles can ever create energy.) To improve efficiency, you need to attack the places where the losses happen. In most electrical systems, the resistive losses are the biggest. If you work with high frequencies on transformers, the core losses can become important. Moving away from sine waves and towards pulses of currents, increases both resistive and core losses. Short pulses are a bad idea in general.
I don't know if this machine really produces more output than input but I do believe that there are ways to create perpetual motion. The bitch ass oil companies suppress lots of technology and keep it from getting patents. Every time someone goes public with a "free energy" device they end up dead or in jail or they disappear. We don't need oil for energy there are better ways but that would put the oil industry out of business so they protect their business interest with death and payoffs!
@pidos847 I know that this machine produces less output power than it takes in, because I know that physics and have read the report of the one competent person who got a look at it.
The whole bit about people ending up dead or in jail is a common urban legend. It isn't true at all. You can find lots of people making "free energy" claims walking around free and very much alive. There are some in jail because what they were doing was fraud. Those that disappeared left with peoples money.
I like this very much. I search for "over-unity" when I'm bored so I can have a good laugh. If the motor was producing more energy than it's using then you could just plug in the output back to its input and have it run by itself. That would be a much more convincing demonstration of the motor's supposed ability to create power out of nowhere. Unfortunately, the power for this motor only comes from gullible people's ignorance, nothing more. Come on... entertain me more with your ignorance. :)
This is like "Can you spot the flaw in the picture" and here it is one big flaw: The meters are not RMS meters, and can therefore not be multiplied. Rectified AC and AC will most likely be measured totally incorrect by these voicecoil meters, and the whole setup is invalid. BTW, you can not pee out more liquid than you drink. Same principle here. No free power.
@erikev To make your point a little more clear for others. The meters used measure the average voltage and the average current. Multiplying the averages is not valid.
Nay sayers have always found safety in numbers and will never amount to more than jealous, dumb downed sheep who's only claim to fame was that the earth was flat which miraculously coincided with their brain activity.
Look at the environment around us dumb asses... does not the earth and planets stay in constant motion? Well?
One more thing you troll fucks.... if overunity is such a scheme then what the hell are you doing following along?
@rickleewelch Those people you call "nay sayers" are the ones who so far have brought you cars and aircraft and modern medicine and the internet and your computer. They are the ones who care about real science and can spot that this video is a sham. They know the real reason that planets continue in orbit etc.
The meter readings in the video, even assuming they are honestly connected can't validly be multiplied. That step in the video is a real howler.
@rickleewelch Earth stays in motion because there is very little friction in a vacuum and the gravitational pull of the Sun gives it potential energy which is converted to kinetic energy as it "falls" towards the sun (not actually reaching the Sun because of the direction of the "fall"). In a perfectly consistent orbit, it would always have potential energy, but, in general, orbits slowly decay over time and don't last forever.
@shadfer Any claim that you have more energy output that input is a claim of perpetual motion. One only need feed part of the output back in to the input to make it have no input and thus be the classic case of perpetual motion.
If a con artist takes money from someone other than me, I still feel that I should act against the con artist. In this case, there is more than the theft of money at issue. Convincing people of some magical method exists stops them from looking for real answers.
@jib1000 In that case it is fraud. My bad. It will not provide perpetual motion, but in some of these videos, the potential energy in the magnets and kinetic energy in the electrons (magnetism is caused by the spin of electrons) could possibly be converted to kinetic energy on a macroscopic scale to make electricity. Eventually the magnet would lose its magnetism, however.
A device already exists to power your house for free. It’s called Solar for those new to this game. What it does is it uses photovoltaic cells to convert light energy into electricity lol. It does this at a generally low efficiency (in my case 13-15% in good sunlight, much worse in low light). Solar can cost shit loads to setup of course. But over time (6 years in my case) can pay for itself and profit.
Corporations dont stop the Lutec, the laws of physics do lol. Dam you laws of physics!
Btw I have a UFO in my back yard, you can come and check it out. But I must let you know you cannot see it, smell it, taste it, feel it or hear it. In fact there is no known sensory device that can detect its presence, but trust me its there ;)
@psychcisco You have done well. In most cases the payback time on PV is something like 10 years. Solar hot water and solar space heat will payback in about a year. A desiccant cycle solar air conditioner will pay in about 2 years in places where they make sense.
Unfortunately wind power systems wear out and break way too much. The power in wind runs as the cube of speed. This make the design very hard to do.
@jib1000 actually solar power is free, however the panels designed to convert solar energy into electrical energy are not free. With that in mind, using government incentives, shopping around for the best price per watt panels, installing yourself and charging the utility a higher tariff for your power than theirs. Your investment will overtime as stated be free :)
he should have rectified the output power, and then made a comparision, factoring in the efficiency of the rectifier.
im sure it wouldnt give any overunity in this particular arrangement, as there will be frictional losses, uncontained field losses, resistive losses, capacitive losses, back emf losses, eddie current losses, rectification losses, if not more.
@daenumen There are no such things as capacitive losses and back emf losses. Both of those are not energy losing processes that merely store and then return energy. The other losses are true losses but they don't matter in this case because the video has nothing to do with real measurements. The machine is just a prop for a scam. The meters are likely reading correctly but as I pointed out, Multiplying the values is nonsense.
@daenumen I pointed out that the multiply these guys did was not valid.
You said "capacitive losses and back emf losses". This is nonsense. There may be some ordinary resistive losses or radiation losses at work but no losses of the type you claimed.
The suggesting of this video is that they get more energy out than they put in. This is the bogus claim of creating energy by the motion of magnetic poles.
@knowledgemonger well i agree it does appear bogus, in that the calculation is for DC power, and unless the output has been rectified the method of calculation is wrong.
i dont care if you believe me or not about the types of losses, its your loss if you havent got the knowledge, afterall there is a little more than just 'resistance' in a circuit...
this video has nothing to do with creating '''energy'''.
@daenumen Well good for you for not caring. There still are not such things as "capacitive losses and back emf losses". I'm sure that since you don't care, you won't comment further but I will repeat that just so that others know. You claimed the existence of a type of loss that is not real. There are other losses but most certainly not those.
We do agree that the thing in the video is faked.
@daenumen I have read a great many books and have done real experiments and made real measurements. I turn your suggestion back on you. Go learn something.
@daenumen You are wrong. You suggested that there is a thing called "capacitive losses". There is no such thing. A real capacitor has losses as its series resistance, leakage and dielectric losses. These are not capacitive in nature. They are resistive losses.
You also claimed that there was such a thing as "back EMF losses". You have posted nothing that supports that claim. Eddie current losses are just resistive losses.
@daenumen No in reality it is how I have described it. You are trying to change the terms of discussion. Don't do that. There are some "magnet motor" idiots reading this. They will grasp at the smallest inexact bit of physics.
BTW: Just for those others, the video shows a prop for a scam nothing real.
1. in order for this video to even be taken seriously, the author needs to show that the output was measured as in the DC regime.
2. as i said before, you are correct on a basic level knowledgemonger, but there are effects that are beyond the scope of your understanding, that cause losses in circuits.
@daenumen Your are correct as far as you go on the first. You are completely and totally wrong on the second. Your imagined back emf losses and capacitive losses, simply don't exist. You made a statement that is just plain silly. I pointed out the error and your ego just won't let you admit the error and correct the record. There are other effects not mentioned but you can't assume they are unknown.
@daenumen I will stop telling you, you are wrong when you stop being wrong. You were wrong in you earlier statements and you just added more errors. back emf is not created by any magnetic field. The voltage on an inductance depends on the rate of change not on the current value. You just added another bogus term "cancelled current". Since you didn't define it, I can't say yet that it is an error but I will bet it is.
@daenumen Now you are just raving. You made several serious errors that showed your ignorance. Go away. Learn something and then you may be able to engage in such debates in the future.
@knowledgemonger back emf: IS AN INDUCED CURRENT AS A RESULT OF A CHANGING MAGNETIC FIELD, WHICH ACTS TO CREATE A FIELD THAT OPPOSES THE FIELD THAT INDUCED IT. IT IS WHY MAGNETIC BRAKING WORKS.
so you can actually shut up.
stupid pricks like you, are why people are misinformed.
The EMF part of back EMF stands for Electro Motive Force. You are really raving up a storm. I suggest you go away and learn something before commenting further.
I also suggest that you be more polite. I will stop correcting you when you stop being wrong. I don't expect that to happen any time soon.
@knowledgemonger i know what EMF stands for, but i can also tell the difference between Electric Fields and Electro Motive Force, unlike you.
instead of telling me to go away, on account of your simplified 'A-level' understanding of electromagnetism, explain the parasitic effects of these components WITHOUT using what i have said. (i doubt you will be able to)
@daenumen You said "IS AN INDUCED CURRENT". This is evidence that you did not know what it really was until I pointed it out to you. You have posted many things that are just plain wrong and shown over and over that you simply don't know what you are talking about. I suggest you go away and learn something.
@daenumen You have been wrong repeatedly. You can't describe things because you really don't understand them. I suggest that you go away a learn something before continuing the discussion.
@daenumen Someone flagged your comment as spam. I did the "it is not spam" on it so that I could comment.
Yes I can follow what you are saying. You have made a long list of errors because you simply don't understand the subject. I have pointed out the errors. At each step, you have responded with new errors. You were in a hole but you just kept digging. It was not unkindness of me to suggest that you go away and learn something. It really is what you should do.
2. You still havent answered or provided any explanation for parasitic effects within the statement you have made, I can.
3. Thankyou again for telling me im wrong without explanation? (is that what you want to hear?)
4. You also have not properly read what i have posted, unless you work with 'special' definitions of phenomena? that are unknown by the scientific community?
@daenumen You claim not to care what I think but you give every evidence that you do care. You have made statements that are just plain wrong and expect me to then explain them. What I want is for you to go learn something on the subject before you comment further. You seem to want others to believe as you do so you are attempting to spread your ignorance to others. You claim that I have not properly read your words in an attempt to deflect the blame for your own errors.
@knowledgemonger firstly, you are right, i would prefer more people to understand these things. I've already said i would learn more, its a shame its coming from someone who refuses to do so also. It is rare to have a conversation that does not turn into being told by someone, repeatedly; "you are wrong" and not explaining, as i have done, effects that are not explained by the theoretical model they hold. you wouldnt be saying 90% of this if you had read my comments properly. what about errors?
@daenumen I have pointed out the errors when you made them. You suggested the existence of things that don't exist and I pointed it out. You made other errors and when you did, I pointed out the error. You have refused to go study up so that you can discuss the subject. You now have the brass to suggest that I have refused to learn. I am currently studying a more advanced topic than this one.
This motor seems to be working. very nice!
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Rick007191 3 weeks ago
I can crack all 10 of the top level threats to humanity in less then 25 years and on less then 1/3 of the budget. To bad the government has become stupid, and they ask the contractors to write there statements of work, and the contractors write a statement of work saying " You need more of what I can't sell" and the government says "Oh yeah GOOD, put it in the budget"
acrophobia123 1 month ago
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gmesthermax 4 months ago
Here is an example of a machine that "inputs" gravity through mechanical design.. youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ&feature=related WE need to overcome design inefficiency
freemanalan1 6 months ago
These machines would be designed to accept inputs from ambient heat and gravity. I don't believe in over-unity but I do believe it is possible to output more energy than "I" SUPPLY. Do a search on "drinking bird" or "bobbing bird" and you will see an example of a machine that will operate as long as there is a source of water to "INPUT" cooling evaporation. Now imagine designs that work WITH gravity and momentum and thermal convection TO INPUT electromagnetic field effects, sunlight, et cetera.
freemanalan1 6 months ago
If you know about the "Stirling engine" you know there is a potential for work from a heat differential. ... it acts in the opposite to an air-conditioner. Every machine produces a loss of efficiency due to heat produced. If our designs were to capitalize on these facts we could find several configurations of Mechanical_Thermal_Electromagnetic_Gravitational design for machines that EFFICIENTLY input these sources of force into a machine that outputs MORE energy than is DIRECTLY fed
freemanalan1 6 months ago
He has no filtering after his rectifier on the DC so as others have said it is pulsing DC which the meter was not made to measure. He also likely has created a phase difference in the AC output so the current and voltage are out of phase. You cannot simply take average AC volts and average AC current and use Watts Law for a resistive load. That only applies to instantaneous power not average power. He needs to confirm the voltage and current are in phase to use Watts Law the way he does.
subsystems 7 months ago 5
@subsystems The meters measure average power, so the method is the same.
But you are correct, phase angle is the key to the illusion here for watts law to be used.
JRBeaman 6 months ago
@subsystems Yes thats why textbooks want you to think, but very untrue
acrophobia123 1 month ago in playlist Magnets
@acrophobia123 So, you're one of those people that thinks experience is greater than knowledge? Sorry, but experience without knowledge leads to ignorance with confidence. I have both knowledge and experience. I know far more than you can understand without the same education, it doesn't matter how much experience you have. If you are wrong, you are wrong period.
With experience, one can prove the Earth is flat many ways and believe it. A child with a photo of the Earth from space knows more.
subsystems 1 month ago
@subsystems You have no idea the education that I have and what degrees I have. I believe knowledge is great but it is not complete. There are things left out, you are not given the entire picture. Things are left out because they have no useful benefit to the writers. Some things are left untold for safety of many things. Thanks for the reply
acrophobia123 1 month ago
@acrophobia123 Your perception of what it means to be educated is way off. A true scientific education means they teach you to question everything and learn what is real and what isn't. What you are describing as knowledge is just being preached to. Science education isn't a religion where you memorize what you are told and you are done learning. That is so ignorant it is ridiculous. I know overunity is B.S. not because I was taught it but because I question why. Fool.
subsystems 1 month ago
This is a load of shit, and an embarrassment to have these idiots in Australia,
I thought we were better than this, but you still get wankers in all countries,
Get this bullshit of youtube, everyone knows it doesn't work.
And give everyone back their money,
You are are couple of Donkey Wankers.
Bullshitfinder1 7 months ago
Yes it's pulsed so the reading are wrong. Might have a use as an ordinary motor however.
sorova 9 months ago
He's measuring pulses with a voltage meter. These meters are only intended to read steady current. It would be similar to jumping up and down on a scale that only showed the spikes in weight and claiming that you have a magic scale that will double your weight.
I wonder if he just doesn't know what he's doing or if he's a con man. I guess it depends on whether he's looking for "investors". Overunity scams are always looking for people to rip off.
Karaokephile 10 months ago
It's impossible to output more usable power than input. In other words, people can not CREATE energy into the universe.
rich0319726 11 months ago
I hate to badmouth overunity devices or free energy devices but of what we saw there's SO MANY WAYS that it could be a scam of any kind that you can't proove shit AND why the hell do you want to show it to us if you don't give the plans ?? that's typicaly a damn scammer way of operating ...what are we gonna see next ? promises in exchange for money ? donations maybe ? ...sheesh ..
theREALmegaverse 1 year ago
@theREALmegaverse Why do you have a problem with "bad mouthing overunity devices"? They really don't exist so it is not like you ever bad mouth anything real.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger I agree with you that everything here or elsewhere is either a scam or some idiot half bake invention that doesn't work for evident reason that few can grasp, apparently. But I just don't want to let the dream die. I don't want to be part of the discouragement we could bring to the one who would by luck or otherwise find something. My guess is it takes some very costly machined material, thus money and not a damn plank and a handfull of magnet like we see everywhere...sadly !
theREALmegaverse 1 year ago
@theREALmegaverse The problem is that this is a complete blind alley that scammers are putting up signs saying "this is the right direction" on. This idea can't work. It is not in the unicorns and UFOs class. Nothing in the laws of physics or logic rules out a UFO. A machine like this is ruled out by the laws of physics and by logic. Warning people away from this blind alley is a positive and useful thing to do.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger Ahh I wasn't speaking about this invention in particular ...this one is clearly not a real device and I won't even try to debate anything about this idiocy but sometimes we see things we are not too sure and thus merits at the very least our silence since your right and there's too many darn scammers. God knows why people try to fool others (Even when money is not involved) that's the more surprising part. Praise I suppose ? I wonder why it's important for them...
theREALmegaverse 1 year ago
@theREALmegaverse Yes, when I see things I don't know about, I admit as much, don't comment or ask a question. This video has never been in that class.
There are folks who have made Sterling engines, wind power systems and solar power systems and put up videos of them. If you are looking for things that aren't blind alleys, they are out there.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger Just out of curiosity do you believe that a free energy devices even exist or could exist ? you seem to know more in physics than me. So of what i've seen so far it could be possible to build a free energy device that can barely light a L.E.D. and make a few parallel devices to make a bigger overunity device work ? I'm not implying it's cost efficient though. well tell me your thoughs and After that I would like to expose what I though was an idea of mine before i found it here.
theREALmegaverse 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger Just out of curiosity do you believe that a free energy devices even exist or could exist ? you seem to know more in physics than me. So of what i've seen so far it could be possible to build a free energy device that can barely light a L.E.D. and make a few parallel devices to make a bigger overunity device work? I'm not implying it's cost efficient though. well tell me your thoughs and After that I would like to expose what I though was my idea before i found it here. lol
theREALmegaverse 1 year ago
@theREALmegaverse There really is no such thing as a "free energy" device. There is always a source for the energy. In many cases, the source is not obvious but it is always there. Many people think they have made a free energy device only to discover later that their device is consuming some part of its self. The most common example of this is things where people put electrodes in the ground and find that it produces a DC voltage. What is happening is that they have made a battery.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger well if we stop at technical terms witch i understand what your saying but ANY devices consumes something if not by friction than a magnet that will demagnetized in 200+ years or electrodes that will corrode in time in the earth ...So what I meant to say is do you believe that a device that produces electricity that are of no cost to you exist beside the cost of the device it self ? and we have nothing to do with it besides possible maintenance every month or year perhaps ?
theREALmegaverse 1 year ago
@theREALmegaverse The solar panel and the wind turbine fit your definition of "free energy". For such a definition we must say they do exist.
A better definition would require that the device be a net energy gain. In which case, they don't exist.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger well that's what a OVER-Unity is supposed to mean ...ahh well, Anyway your saying that you never saw anything convincing ? I do not have a clear grasp of all the physics laws but i'm pretty sure you can go around a few like for example you can't go faster than light but you could go through a wormhole ? (yes, pure speculation) but like I said earlier I don't think you can do it with a plank and a handfull of magnets...Well thanks for the chat, buddy, bye.
theREALmegaverse 1 year ago
@theREALmegaverse The thing about a worm hole is that you don't have to go faster than light. It is a short cut. If you shine light through the worm hole, it will beat you to the other side.
A better example is in quantum physics except that it turns out that you can never get information from point A to point B faster than light.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger And thus going around the rule of physics of albert that is you can't go faster than light. Witch was my point. That kind of trick could apply to other laws like the famous energy consersation but i have no idea how to go around it and like you I don't think anybody did it...at least publicly (that we will see here). that's for sure. well it's sad but it's that ...
theREALmegaverse 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger How is using a magnet to repel force against it any less viable than solar or wind? It's not something from nothing, it's something from manipulation of a magnetic field.
trippinlikegod 1 year ago
@trippinlikegod Solar and wind get their energy from the sun which is converting hydrogen into helium. This means that there is a source of the energy.
Repelling magnets only gets to happen after you push them together. You store energy in when you push them together. You get it back when you let them apart. There is no way to put them back together again without putting back in the energy. You can't gain any energy from the manipulation of the magnetic fields.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger So by your logic no energy is required when one magnet floats above another? I suppose watch?v=hkgyY47duCM is a camera trick? Pulse motors don't actually spin? I understand what you are saying but you're basing this entire thing on CoE which doesn't apply in this case. Magnets repel against each other and can set an object in motion, that's a fact. If you can disrupt the magnetic field with less electricity than the returned motion generates you aren't violating CoE.
trippinlikegod 1 year ago
@trippinlikegod You seem not to be getting it. Go look up the definition of "work" as a scientist would use the word.
If you bring electrical power into a motor as the source of energy, you have an electric motor. All pulse motors consume electrical energy. People often make measurement errors and fool themselves. Narrow pulses are tricky things to measure. Battery open terminal voltages depend on temperature and many other things are over looked.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@trippinlikegod While you are looking things up, you can also look up the equation for the force between two magnetic poles. You will notice that the strength of the force only depends on their current distance and not their history or the direction. You will also notice that the force is always along a line between the two poles. With just these facts plus a little work at some math, you can show that no magnetic motors are real.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
The input power to the system is not just the DC input. It is also the AC input to the transformer. So they forgot to add that input power to the equation. *BAM* try again!
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slipshodcoqbgg 1 year ago
To others: In case you don't understand what is going on. @connchri and myself are having a technical discussion about how the bogus results are obtained in this video. We agree that the claims are just flat wrong and that the machine is not doing anything like what is claimed. We disagree on a technical point about the miscalculation of the electrical power. It is a mere detail.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger its good to read your comments (i dont claim to fully understand them:) i have also watched other videos making claims to free energy, and was starting to seriously doubt my own common sense.... thanks for your work.... :)
frackcha 1 year ago
@frackcha Common sense is not as common as the name implies. It doesn't always give you the right answer but it is often a good guide.
In this case, your common sense is most likely right on the mark when it told you "that can't be true".
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger lol, agreed... :)
and thanks again.
frackcha 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger
lol. good one on common sense.
Convert the AC to DC and connect the
output to a resistor -> the real output, no phase shift
between volt and current..
and the so called "over unity" is gone
gmankl 1 year ago
1/5
@knowledgemonger
First bit of confusion - I was talking about his measurement of his measured output power and not his input.
Regarding the input, the 230/110V Ac (Whatever the mains is here), this is RMS. The peak is roughly 320/155AC (again, depending on the mains). Once stepped down, and rectified, the average DC voltage will equal the RMS of the stepped down AC voltage minus the rectifier diode voltage drop - typically 1.4V for a full wave rectifier.
connchri 1 year ago
@connchri The output side has gawd knows what waveform on it. The machine obviously has contacts inside it when seen in another video.
You are wrong about the the average value. sqrt(2) times the RMS is what the peak is not what the average is. Go look at the video. Notice he doesn't have a filter capacitor shown on the input side. 0:14 to 0:40 in the video shows this clearly. The average thus is as I stated.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
remember people in 16 century they thought the earth was flat and in that same manner our scientists can be wrong.nothing is impossible but if everybody is with the thought in the head that overunity cannot be achieved it will never be because none will try making it.There is a device that can be called an overunity device it's called the karpen pile.wikipedia is incomplete search more if interested :)
liviooo18 1 year ago
@liviooo18 The whole myth about people thinking the earth was flat in the past is largely the creation of a work of fiction. 1500 was the start of the 16th compare with 1492.
People like to use the words "nothing is impossible". Do you commonly try flapping your arms up and down in an effort to fly? Flying by flapping your arms is more likely than the machine shown in this video by an infinite percentage.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
overunity does not mean plug it in...make it run...plug it out and it still runs
overunity is the ratio of the power that comes in and out of the device...if it's bigger than 1 it's an overunity device.he's is 3,62.you could not say it is possible or impossible until you have an face to face time with the device and measure it by yourself
liviooo18 1 year ago
Overunity is a myth and impossible (at least in this universe anyway). You can't create energy from nothing. It has to come from somewhere.
fuzzface100 1 year ago
1080p High Definition Video :)
PoTTy013 1 year ago
Why is there a need for power on a 362% efficient? surely the rotation of the earth could power this device or a flea jumping on a piston. I mean come on
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rebelliouseoagj 1 year ago
This feels like the old clearance sale trick. This $1000 dollar thingy is now only $100. So just use the $900 you save to pay for the $100 thingy and voila! Pocket the $800 extra free dollars for yourself!!
hapexamendar 1 year ago
How much ac power did you start with
MrPhillerup 1 year ago
Consider a 230 V AC mains supply used in many countries around the world. It is so called because its root mean square value is 230 V. This means that the time-averaged power delivered is equivalent to the power delivered by a DC voltage of 230 V.
So in this demonstration the 11 V is the rms value of the voltage, the 1.4 A likewise is the rms value of the current. And the power delivered ie. 15.4 W is the time-averaged power delivered equivalent to the power delivered by a DC voltage.
wateraarde 1 year ago
it is good to know that you compare AC VA (volt-amperes) with DC Watts.
you got an F from me for failing elementary physics.
next time don't compare apples and oranges, try carrots and melons...
masster64 1 year ago
@masster64 It is worse than you think. They are also multiplying average Amps times average Volts and claiming the result is Watts.
For others:
Volts * Amps = Watts
10 * 0 = 0
0 * 10 = 0
Average Volts = 5
Average Amps = 5
5 * 5 = 25 nothing meaningful
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
If this is overunity, then remove the power supply and show that it runs.
gorgeousdzastr 1 year ago 19
@gorgeousdzastr overunity means it produces more than it uses not that it can run by itself. Doesn't it?
fitzgerald95971 1 year ago
@fitzgerald95971 Seems to me that if the Overunity is producing more than it is using, the "overage" could be used to keep the Overunity running. Right?
gorgeousdzastr 1 year ago
@gorgeousdzastr i dont think it works that way. Not 100% certain. On Bendini type setup you always need the voltage in. Can't be certain without knowing what they have and the video is vague.
fitzgerald95971 1 year ago
@gorgeousdzastr If this really was "over unity", then yes it wouldn't need an input. It is however just a prop for a scam. Even if the meters are honestly connected, you can't multiply average volts times average amps and get average watts:
Volts * Amps = Watts:
10 * 0 = 0
0 * 10 = 0
Average volts=5 Average amps=5
5 * 5 = 25 nothing useful
That this specific machine doesn't do what is claimed should not come as a surprise. What they are suggesting it does can't happen in real life.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago 3
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fronkenpoop 1 year ago
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knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger LOL
fronkenpoop 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger Small correction.
For a purely DC circuit, multiplying the Volts dropped by the current will give you the power in watts.
This guy is calculating the Aparent Power and not the Real Power. Big Difference!
It's easy to get higher apparrent power out than in, however, he has completely overlooked real power due to the phase shift between the current and voltage.
He'd need osciloscopes to prove it's true overunity generation - which conveinently are not being used.
FAIL!
connchri 1 year ago
@connchri A correction to your correction. He is not really calculating Apparent Power. Apparent Power is the product of RMS values. He is multiplying average values. Both his voltage and current are pulse like.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger Hmm, I think that you'll find that an average reading would be zero as it's AC. This is clearly not the case and due to the analogue readings theres very little doubt he's reading RMS. A peak reading would cause the meters to read eratically, the same with the peak to peak measurement.
The only way you'd get an average voltage measurement with an AC supply is if there's a DC offset. Not the case here.
Again, his flaw is he's calculating apparent power, not real.
connchri 1 year ago
Others: This is a technical discussion between people that know that the machine is bogus.
@connchri Look at the video at 0:12 The object in the middle of the frame (between the transformer and the meters) is a bridge rectifier.
AC is being fed into a bridge rectifier making the waveform look like
Y=abs(sin(wt))
This makes the voltage have an average value of about 0.64 of the peak. We have to assume that the transformer is not heavily loaded.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger Btw, I wasn't in any shape or form critizing your opinion on this. I agree completely that this is not an example of overunity generation, I was simply correcting your statement that Current x Voltage does not equal Power. It does when there is unity power factor. Anything less that 1 results in the same aparent power but less real power. Hence, as in this example, the guy possibily has the same power output, but with higher V's and A's with a pf less than 1.
connchri 1 year ago
Others: More friendly technical discussion
@connchri
You can only say that V*I=P at unity power factor when RMS is being used for V and I and the "power factor" is defined to include what some people call "form factor effects". (None of this is true in this video.)
We can't assume that the meters are connected honestly. They are at a low enough point on their scale that the zero adjustment of the meters will matter. The output side volt meter is very close to zero.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger 2/5
This would result in a DC supply, with ripple to be fair, being supplied to his "generator". These analouge meters, at the input DC side, will be reading a correct average for the supply currents and voltages. There is no reason to disagree with his input power value.
connchri 1 year ago
@connchri The input side most curtainly is not AC and is not smooth DC. The voltage is as I described. The current is most likely narrow pulses based on what can be seen in other videos from the same folks.
His input side power value is bogus for exactly the reasons I explained. If he drws his power only at the peaks, the power will be just about 1/0.64 times the product of the meter readings.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger 3/5
It's the output power that I believe is completely wrong. He will be measuring the correct output AC voltage, and correct output AC current, but they will be completely out of phase with each other. His generator will either be a Capacitive or Inductive source, and by that very nature, a Power Factor of less than 1 will apply.
connchri 1 year ago
@connchri I agree that his output power calculation is bogus but you have obviously missed something important here. The waveforms are not sine waves.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger 4/5
I don't know what your mentioning "Form Factor Effects" is in regard to, and it certainly isn't the definition of power factor. Power factor is the cos of the angle between the Current and Voltage. For real power, you mulitple the RMS V and I and the power factor. This easily explains why he has such a high aparent power on the output.
connchri 1 year ago
@connchri If the output was a sine wave (which is not likely) then the simple phase angle argument applies. Consider what happens if his waveform is a pulse with a duty cycle of 10%. The phase argument fails.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger
5/5
I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but this is simple electrical theory, and I fail to see where you have difficulty understanding the effect of the power factor here due to the voltage and current being out of phase due to the reactive characteristics of his "generator".
connchri 1 year ago
@connchri I am not having any problem understanding what is going on here. You have missed an obvious couple of points. Go back and review. Don't assume sine waves at any point other than the output of the mains transformer. You will quickly see where your problem is.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@gorgeousdzastr What power supply? Are you talking about the guages? Those are just meters, not a power supply.
robertsutter 11 months ago
@robertsutter At 0:14 is when the video shows the transformer that is connected to the mains. This is where the power enters the system. It is the large object in the frame. To its right is a bridge rectifier that turns the voltage waveform into one that looks like abs(sin(x)). At 0:28 are the average indicating meters. He multiplies these two average values (can you say bogus). At 0:47 is the spinning thing. Based on another video, this can contacts in it that open and close.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger This thing works. I think everyone needs to read the all the international patents it has before the all get so down on the thing. Everybody said going to the moon was impossible too. But for now, can you tell me why you think the multiplying the meter values as an average (remember that this system pulses electricity to electromagnets against fixed magnets to get mechanical rotation) is so bogus? Even electromagnetic security gates are affordable to run and they're powerful.
robertsutter 11 months ago
@robertsutter No, the thing in this video does not work. It is just a prop for a scam combined with a lot of hot air. If you, as I suspect you do, care about the energy future, go study some physics and perhaps some electronics.
Look in the highest rated comments for why multiplying averages does not work. Even if the meters are honestly connected, you can't assume that the numbers they come up with can be trusted.
It is also not correct that everyone said going to the moon was impossible
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Yes it works. You lack imagination because you are caught up in mathematics and a thermodynamic theory that this device does not break. We're talking about magnetic forces here. They only have to be on for an extrememly brief moment in time. The armature then gets thrown in a powerful rotational force by mechanical design. An RMS measurement for "pulsating" direct current in this case is not a scam. You're going to eat your words, sorry about that.
robertsutter 11 months ago
@robertsutter No, it does not work. Please feel free to send them all your money. I assume when you see an magician pull a rabbit from his hat that he has a magic rabbit producing hat.
The meters in this video are not RMS responding meters. In another video, these same guys abuse some digital RMS meters in a way that makes them misread. In yet another video they show an electric motor running on a battery and make wild claims about it.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Yes it works. What makes you say that the meter isn't RMS? There's no way the read needles would be stable if it wasn't. How are they abusing the digital meter in this other video? What is the name of the vid so I can see it? I'm listening.
robertsutter 11 months ago
@robertsutter I am familiar with that sort of meter. They are average reading. The needle is stable because there is very effective low pass filtering by the mass of the movement.
In the video where they are abusing the meters, they are feeding pulse like currents into the meters. The frequency content of the signal is well beyond what the bandwidth of that type of meter. They re very nice meters for mains frequency work and are accurate when used as intended.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger How are you figuring what his frequency is? In this video it seems to not be too high. That generator isn't spinning all that fast. I can't see the commutator at all in this video, so a guess as to the frequency is a shot in the dark. What were the limitations of frequency on the digital meter?
robertsutter 11 months ago
@robertsutter The contacts can be seen in another video. It is the narrow pulse width that leadss to the high frequency.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Although you've avoided the direct details of what you think the frequency may be, we still need someone to enforce manufacturing standards and implement quality control testing. You're hired for the job. When I get mine, will you come and make sure everything is in full working order? Oh, and do you install?
robertsutter 11 months ago
@robertsutter The frequency is not one specific frequency. A short pulse at a constant rate will have all the harmonics of the base frequency.
When you get yours, I will be glad to come over and check its efficiency. The one independent expert who had a look at one of these found it was about 35% efficient so I know what equipment to bring.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger I've seen claims of only 28%, and those are fraudulent. There are plenty of people who don't want this to succeed, some for no other reason than they are just merely naysayers. I'll trust the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. The Lutec 1000 works as stated.
robertsutter 11 months ago
@robertsutter You are free to send them your money. Things don't have to actually work to get a US patent. The patent office no longer requires a working model and the inspectors are over worked and under trained. Once a bogus idea gets a patent, the patent will stay on file. Since the idea is worthless, nobody is willing to pay for the lawyers to fight it.
There are 3 reasons you may claim this works (1) you are deceived (2) You are a crook (3) both.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Doooood It's coming out soon. I don't have to send any money. I went sour for a while too after seeing these vids 3 years ago and being impatient. Like I say, there are people heavily invested in other forms of power production that are fighting this tooth and nail, including our green friends the "solar" industry. SGS Australia engineers confirmed the "overunity" claims on this device and it is now patented on over 60 countries. It takes time for all that.
robertsutter 11 months ago
@robertsutter I will wait right here. When you get one that actually works, let me know. Trust me, I won't be holding my breath waiting. LOL
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@robertsutter It works as stated? Is that why he has to power it from the wall plug?
The voltage he's measuring from the rectifier is incorrect. You can't use that type of meter to measure pulsing rectified voltage. It will read almost double the correct value because the inertia of the indicator needle on the volt meter prevents it from pulsing up and down at the 60 Hz rectified voltage. This is kindergarten electronics theory.
Either he knows and is a scammer or he's a clueless ignoramus.
JustDiploid 8 months ago
@JustDiploid A little knowledge is dangerous.
JRBeaman 6 months ago
@JustDiploid here is the problem with the internet, to many know all's. if you want to know if a thing works .....try the damned thing your self, how can you post a comment if you havnt even tryed it, you are all insane morons, thinking you are better than eachother
findvoltage 5 months ago
@findvoltage You said: try the damned thing your self
I HAVE tried the damned thing myself. In school. Where I studied elementary electrical theory and learned that he is using the wrong instrument (a DC meter) to measure an AC system.
Do I need to try using a thermometer to measure how heavy something is in order to know ahead of time that it will not work? Of course not. You measure how heavy something is with a scale, not a thermometer.
Instead of calling me an insane moron, read a book.
JustDiploid 5 months ago
@JustDiploid That is your problem you studied and stuck to what you were told and never tried anything for yourself. Your studying other peoples lies lol
acrophobia123 1 month ago in playlist Magnets
@acrophobia123 You have no idea what I've tried or not tried. You are reaching and engaging in a personal attack because you have nothing to argue on merit.
Point of fact is that this video was posted in 2006 and the moron who duped your gullible ass into believing it is STILL, six years later wasting time making idiot videos instead of changing the world and getting rich selling energy that costs him nothing to make.
Humans are doomed. We're too stupid to survive much longer.
JustDiploid 1 month ago
@JustDiploid What oil company you work for?
acrophobia123 1 month ago in playlist Magnets
@acrophobia123 You people always think that someone with a dissenting point of view must work for the evil oil company that suppresses research. Yet here is this guy posting his crackpot idea freely, without suppression, on YouTube where billions of people all around the world can see it for themselves.
You are delusional if you think any company has any power to suppress YouTube or the rest of the internet. It's typical non-thinking and why you believe this crap actually works.
JustDiploid 1 month ago
@dntpay4sftware
well the most recent biggest manipulation on the human mind is the LHC, they even have it set so you pay to come see the blunderfull disaster, someone wants to be god but never will..
tafcat1 1 year ago
it sounds like a disel engine :P
kindaownd 1 year ago
@dntpay4sftware No I mean what I said. I said that the thing that gets the biggest profit is the oil change. You should learn to read more carefully and take care to understand what is really said before you attempt to rebut.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@dntpay4sftware Cars today fail far less often than they did in the past. They are not designed to fail because a failure does not lead to a new car sale by that same company. People tend to switch car makes. The highest profit thing a dealer does is things like change the oil. That routine service is where the real profit is made. The cost is near zero.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@dntpay4sftware You state something as a FACT that is simply not true. The German and Japanese automobiles were design and manufactured with very high quality. This does not mean "never break down". This means "defect free". Try looking up "Dr Deming" in google and you will understand.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@dntpay4sftware Never breaking down is too high of a standard to require. Reliable service for 100,000 miles is a good standard. My current car needs some work done on it. I don't blame it because I know who has been driving it, and he is totally unreasonable about what he does with a car. (me) :)
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@dntpay4sftware No, this is not even sustainable energy. This machine draws power from the wall and wastes part of it. It causes meters to read incorrectly, and wastes energy. Things like this help the oil companies remain in charge of the energy future. The deception does nobody any good.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@dntpay4sftware My statement about Tesla was meant as more general than it could have seemed to you.
The thing that Tesla proved (among others) is that you can fairly efficiently transmit power from point A to point B using resonant coils. It doesn't create any energy it just lets you get some from here to there. Wires will also carry power from here to there and are more efficient.
We need new transmission infrastructure but even more we need sources of energy.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@dntpay4sftware The action of gravity is a constant downward force. The magnets pushing up need to make a constant upward force. With no vertical motion of the train, there is no work being done. The only energy consumed to suspend the train is the losses is the electrical system that makes the fields and monitors the height to operate the servos that maintain the clearance.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@dntpay4sftware You were doing fine until you put in the "powered by magnetism". In a vacuum, once something is moving, you don't need to power it.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@dntpay4sftware Maglev has nothing to do with "free energy". There is just a linear electric motor pushing it along. The energy to start the train moving in a vacuum would come for the electrical power it uses.
I really wish that people would quite slinging mud on the good name of Tesla by including it in bogus claims. He was a great inventor and one of my heroes. His stuff was real not the bogus stuff we see in this video.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
By the way thats wankel.... whoops! It appears i am a bit of a wankel myself.
SquidgyMcGee 1 year ago
Overunity is not possible in this environment. I agree with that, but i think greater efficiency is possible through use of electromagnetic force in different ways, maybe a magnetic wenkel engine providing amplification of a rotational force. It just seems to me that there is something in magnetism, gravity and inertia that is being overlooked, When Nicola Tesla stated Humanity will get free energy when he couples a machine with the cogs that drive the universe i think he was on to something.
SquidgyMcGee 1 year ago
@SquidgyMcGee (There is no way that the motions of any combination of magnetic poles can ever create energy.) To improve efficiency, you need to attack the places where the losses happen. In most electrical systems, the resistive losses are the biggest. If you work with high frequencies on transformers, the core losses can become important. Moving away from sine waves and towards pulses of currents, increases both resistive and core losses. Short pulses are a bad idea in general.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
I don't know if this machine really produces more output than input but I do believe that there are ways to create perpetual motion. The bitch ass oil companies suppress lots of technology and keep it from getting patents. Every time someone goes public with a "free energy" device they end up dead or in jail or they disappear. We don't need oil for energy there are better ways but that would put the oil industry out of business so they protect their business interest with death and payoffs!
pidos847 1 year ago
@pidos847 I know that this machine produces less output power than it takes in, because I know that physics and have read the report of the one competent person who got a look at it.
The whole bit about people ending up dead or in jail is a common urban legend. It isn't true at all. You can find lots of people making "free energy" claims walking around free and very much alive. There are some in jail because what they were doing was fraud. Those that disappeared left with peoples money.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
I like this very much. I search for "over-unity" when I'm bored so I can have a good laugh. If the motor was producing more energy than it's using then you could just plug in the output back to its input and have it run by itself. That would be a much more convincing demonstration of the motor's supposed ability to create power out of nowhere. Unfortunately, the power for this motor only comes from gullible people's ignorance, nothing more. Come on... entertain me more with your ignorance. :)
Amoeba1911 1 year ago
This is like "Can you spot the flaw in the picture" and here it is one big flaw: The meters are not RMS meters, and can therefore not be multiplied. Rectified AC and AC will most likely be measured totally incorrect by these voicecoil meters, and the whole setup is invalid. BTW, you can not pee out more liquid than you drink. Same principle here. No free power.
erikev 1 year ago
@erikev To make your point a little more clear for others. The meters used measure the average voltage and the average current. Multiplying the averages is not valid.
Volt * Amps = Watts
10 * 0 = 0
0 * 10 = 0
Average volts =5
Average amps =5
5 * 5 = 25 nothing meaningful
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
AARRRRRRRR EMMMMMMMMMM ESSSSSSSSSSSS. 8[
Eaglebird 1 year ago
Nay sayers have always found safety in numbers and will never amount to more than jealous, dumb downed sheep who's only claim to fame was that the earth was flat which miraculously coincided with their brain activity.
Look at the environment around us dumb asses... does not the earth and planets stay in constant motion? Well?
One more thing you troll fucks.... if overunity is such a scheme then what the hell are you doing following along?
Get the fuck out of here!
rickleewelch 1 year ago
@rickleewelch Those people you call "nay sayers" are the ones who so far have brought you cars and aircraft and modern medicine and the internet and your computer. They are the ones who care about real science and can spot that this video is a sham. They know the real reason that planets continue in orbit etc.
The meter readings in the video, even assuming they are honestly connected can't validly be multiplied. That step in the video is a real howler.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@rickleewelch Earth stays in motion because there is very little friction in a vacuum and the gravitational pull of the Sun gives it potential energy which is converted to kinetic energy as it "falls" towards the sun (not actually reaching the Sun because of the direction of the "fall"). In a perfectly consistent orbit, it would always have potential energy, but, in general, orbits slowly decay over time and don't last forever.
shadfer 1 year ago
If it really worked you could disconnect the input power. STOP STEALING PEOPLES MONEY!
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 He never claimed perpetual motion. He also didn't take any money from you, me, or anyone else here.
shadfer 1 year ago
@shadfer Any claim that you have more energy output that input is a claim of perpetual motion. One only need feed part of the output back in to the input to make it have no input and thus be the classic case of perpetual motion.
If a con artist takes money from someone other than me, I still feel that I should act against the con artist. In this case, there is more than the theft of money at issue. Convincing people of some magical method exists stops them from looking for real answers.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@shadfer Actually overunity is perpetual motion. And yes Lutec does have investors. So he does take peoples money. Fraud is immoral.
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 In that case it is fraud. My bad. It will not provide perpetual motion, but in some of these videos, the potential energy in the magnets and kinetic energy in the electrons (magnetism is caused by the spin of electrons) could possibly be converted to kinetic energy on a macroscopic scale to make electricity. Eventually the magnet would lose its magnetism, however.
shadfer 1 year ago
A device already exists to power your house for free. It’s called Solar for those new to this game. What it does is it uses photovoltaic cells to convert light energy into electricity lol. It does this at a generally low efficiency (in my case 13-15% in good sunlight, much worse in low light). Solar can cost shit loads to setup of course. But over time (6 years in my case) can pay for itself and profit.
Corporations dont stop the Lutec, the laws of physics do lol. Dam you laws of physics!
psychcisco 1 year ago
Btw I have a UFO in my back yard, you can come and check it out. But I must let you know you cannot see it, smell it, taste it, feel it or hear it. In fact there is no known sensory device that can detect its presence, but trust me its there ;)
psychcisco 1 year ago
@psychcisco You have done well. In most cases the payback time on PV is something like 10 years. Solar hot water and solar space heat will payback in about a year. A desiccant cycle solar air conditioner will pay in about 2 years in places where they make sense.
Unfortunately wind power systems wear out and break way too much. The power in wind runs as the cube of speed. This make the design very hard to do.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@psychcisco Solar power isn't free.
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 actually solar power is free, however the panels designed to convert solar energy into electrical energy are not free. With that in mind, using government incentives, shopping around for the best price per watt panels, installing yourself and charging the utility a higher tariff for your power than theirs. Your investment will overtime as stated be free :)
psychcisco 1 year ago
@beac310 The purpose of those making the video was deception. There is no point suggesting how to do the measurements correctly to them.
The calculations are not valid. They multiplied average values of voltage and current. This is only valid at least one is constant.
Volts * Amps = Watts
0 * 10 = 0
10 * 0 = 0
Average volts=5
Average amps=5
5*5=25 nothing meaningful.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
he should have rectified the output power, and then made a comparision, factoring in the efficiency of the rectifier.
im sure it wouldnt give any overunity in this particular arrangement, as there will be frictional losses, uncontained field losses, resistive losses, capacitive losses, back emf losses, eddie current losses, rectification losses, if not more.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen There are no such things as capacitive losses and back emf losses. Both of those are not energy losing processes that merely store and then return energy. The other losses are true losses but they don't matter in this case because the video has nothing to do with real measurements. The machine is just a prop for a scam. The meters are likely reading correctly but as I pointed out, Multiplying the values is nonsense.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger re-read what i posted, multiplying the meters is perfectly acceptable when in the correct regime.
im glad for you, that in your world that capacitors and electromagnets are 100% efficient; in mine, they typically are not.
motion of magnets can convert energy from one form to another.
needless to say, creating or destroying energy has little relevance to this thread.
and of course 'energy' is not 'real'.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen I pointed out that the multiply these guys did was not valid.
You said "capacitive losses and back emf losses". This is nonsense. There may be some ordinary resistive losses or radiation losses at work but no losses of the type you claimed.
The suggesting of this video is that they get more energy out than they put in. This is the bogus claim of creating energy by the motion of magnetic poles.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger well i agree it does appear bogus, in that the calculation is for DC power, and unless the output has been rectified the method of calculation is wrong.
i dont care if you believe me or not about the types of losses, its your loss if you havent got the knowledge, afterall there is a little more than just 'resistance' in a circuit...
this video has nothing to do with creating '''energy'''.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen Well good for you for not caring. There still are not such things as "capacitive losses and back emf losses". I'm sure that since you don't care, you won't comment further but I will repeat that just so that others know. You claimed the existence of a type of loss that is not real. There are other losses but most certainly not those.
We do agree that the thing in the video is faked.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger read a book, before telling everyone what is right and what is wrong.
you are being very arrogant preaching right and wrong from an informatively ignorant position.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen I have read a great many books and have done real experiments and made real measurements. I turn your suggestion back on you. Go learn something.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger ok let me make it clear what you are saying, so you understand why intelligibly, you cannot be correct:
without:
capacitive loss: a capacitor is unity - perpetual motion machine of the third kind.
eddie current or uncontained field losses - superconducting electromagnets would also be perpetual motion machines of the third kind.
neither of these are true.
i suggest you stop being a arrogant twit, and learn your place.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen You are wrong. You suggested that there is a thing called "capacitive losses". There is no such thing. A real capacitor has losses as its series resistance, leakage and dielectric losses. These are not capacitive in nature. They are resistive losses.
You also claimed that there was such a thing as "back EMF losses". You have posted nothing that supports that claim. Eddie current losses are just resistive losses.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger on a basic level, you are right, but in reality, it is how i've described.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen No in reality it is how I have described it. You are trying to change the terms of discussion. Don't do that. There are some "magnet motor" idiots reading this. They will grasp at the smallest inexact bit of physics.
BTW: Just for those others, the video shows a prop for a scam nothing real.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger my two points are clear
1. in order for this video to even be taken seriously, the author needs to show that the output was measured as in the DC regime.
2. as i said before, you are correct on a basic level knowledgemonger, but there are effects that are beyond the scope of your understanding, that cause losses in circuits.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen Your are correct as far as you go on the first. You are completely and totally wrong on the second. Your imagined back emf losses and capacitive losses, simply don't exist. You made a statement that is just plain silly. I pointed out the error and your ego just won't let you admit the error and correct the record. There are other effects not mentioned but you can't assume they are unknown.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger look for gods sake,
STOP TELLING ME IM WRONG.
go and read about it.
any magnetic field causes an emf in opposition to the current used to induce the field.
this is back emf, and has attributed losses, due to 'cancelled current'.
the same stands for capacitive losses, its why cables are coaxially wound!
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen I will stop telling you, you are wrong when you stop being wrong. You were wrong in you earlier statements and you just added more errors. back emf is not created by any magnetic field. The voltage on an inductance depends on the rate of change not on the current value. You just added another bogus term "cancelled current". Since you didn't define it, I can't say yet that it is an error but I will bet it is.
There are no such thing as capacitive losses.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger .........
im shocked. you've never even used an electromagnet or motor before have you... i hope you realise how to switch on a light bulb...
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen Now you are just raving. You made several serious errors that showed your ignorance. Go away. Learn something and then you may be able to engage in such debates in the future.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger back emf: IS AN INDUCED CURRENT AS A RESULT OF A CHANGING MAGNETIC FIELD, WHICH ACTS TO CREATE A FIELD THAT OPPOSES THE FIELD THAT INDUCED IT. IT IS WHY MAGNETIC BRAKING WORKS.
so you can actually shut up.
stupid pricks like you, are why people are misinformed.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen Yet more errors:
The EMF part of back EMF stands for Electro Motive Force. You are really raving up a storm. I suggest you go away and learn something before commenting further.
I also suggest that you be more polite. I will stop correcting you when you stop being wrong. I don't expect that to happen any time soon.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger i know what EMF stands for, but i can also tell the difference between Electric Fields and Electro Motive Force, unlike you.
instead of telling me to go away, on account of your simplified 'A-level' understanding of electromagnetism, explain the parasitic effects of these components WITHOUT using what i have said. (i doubt you will be able to)
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen You said "IS AN INDUCED CURRENT". This is evidence that you did not know what it really was until I pointed it out to you. You have posted many things that are just plain wrong and shown over and over that you simply don't know what you are talking about. I suggest you go away and learn something.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger "You said "IS AN INDUCED CURRENT". " the back emf is.
unfortunately you cannot describe in other terms easily and still describe the parasitic effects.
but sure, I'll go away and learn some more. ;)
good luck (<- you might need it :P)
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen You have been wrong repeatedly. You can't describe things because you really don't understand them. I suggest that you go away a learn something before continuing the discussion.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@knowledgemonger ?? ok. you cant even follow what i said.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen Someone flagged your comment as spam. I did the "it is not spam" on it so that I could comment.
Yes I can follow what you are saying. You have made a long list of errors because you simply don't understand the subject. I have pointed out the errors. At each step, you have responded with new errors. You were in a hole but you just kept digging. It was not unkindness of me to suggest that you go away and learn something. It really is what you should do.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger and as i have kept on telling you:
1. i dont care if you think im right or wrong.
2. You still havent answered or provided any explanation for parasitic effects within the statement you have made, I can.
3. Thankyou again for telling me im wrong without explanation? (is that what you want to hear?)
4. You also have not properly read what i have posted, unless you work with 'special' definitions of phenomena? that are unknown by the scientific community?
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen You claim not to care what I think but you give every evidence that you do care. You have made statements that are just plain wrong and expect me to then explain them. What I want is for you to go learn something on the subject before you comment further. You seem to want others to believe as you do so you are attempting to spread your ignorance to others. You claim that I have not properly read your words in an attempt to deflect the blame for your own errors.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger firstly, you are right, i would prefer more people to understand these things. I've already said i would learn more, its a shame its coming from someone who refuses to do so also. It is rare to have a conversation that does not turn into being told by someone, repeatedly; "you are wrong" and not explaining, as i have done, effects that are not explained by the theoretical model they hold. you wouldnt be saying 90% of this if you had read my comments properly. what about errors?
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen I have pointed out the errors when you made them. You suggested the existence of things that don't exist and I pointed it out. You made other errors and when you did, I pointed out the error. You have refused to go study up so that you can discuss the subject. You now have the brass to suggest that I have refused to learn. I am currently studying a more advanced topic than this one.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago