I love how Christopher's first few minutes destroy Turek's whole opening, and he's just repeating the same argument he's given in almost every other debate. He doesn't even have to try.
Hitchens points out all the holes in their ideas "How can morality exist without God!".. "How can something come from nothing!"..
And then the final resort of the religious, is to just spaff out questions like "Where did the world come from, and why is it real". AS IF ANYONE HAS AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
And then they're like, see, I can answer that, and you can't! When their "answer" is actually just made up NONSENSE that a child can see through
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This isn't an argument of Atheism VS Theism. It's Atheism VS Christianity (a form of theism). But Christianity isn't theism itself. I'd like to hear an argument of Atheism VS Deism. That would actually be fun to hear, and hearing these men find their precise words for their arguments would be awesome.
@ElMyr23 Deism is nothing but theism for intellectuals who have seen through the theistic crap, but are too scared to let go of it completely. Fence-sitters, like agnostics.
God Turkey is such a fucking hard on, nice closing statement, some soldier died. Woopty fucking do, people die every day asshole. Way to appeal to American Nationalism instead of actually proving something. If I ever mourn for soliders, its because im pissed they wasted their life on the military, especially if they only went in to get money for college. Ass-hurt faggotrons.
Turek on repeat - he uses the same whimsical shit concluding sentence as he did the last time Hitchens served him his ass on a plate with trimmings... and a side of butt-hurt.
@timchilli but hitch coul'nt answer any Turek question. he just was stuttering the whole debate. Did u know that Hitch mayor is science political and philosophy? could u explain me why in f... hell he talks about religion with a former person?
Turek gets louder and redder with every sentence. If he had so much faith in his faith, you'd think he'd be a bit more relaxed. Maybe he's just realising that he's backed the losing horse in this race.
I spent most of my life as an agnostic and not really knowing for sure, but at times I tended to go 1 way then the other. And now in some of the comments I see from ppl who do not believe makes me see my self back then and at all the excuses I'd use for ignoring God, "religion has done evil", "God in the old testament kills" etc, the things we do to our selves just to ignore God and his rules, thats what it comes down to really, God has rules and we dont want to be told what to do, peace =)
Funny: Towards the end when Frank offers to stay longer so that Christopher can have a closing statement, everyone claps, but when Christopher forfeited his closing statement earlier on. so that he could instead answer more questions, no-one clapped.
@needicecream100 I love listening to both men debate, regardless where I stand, but to call Frank Turek "stupid" just bcz u dont want to listen to his argument, just shows ignorance on your behalf. Both had something to say and like I said at the start I really enjoy much of Christopher Hitchens debates regardless if I'm a Christian. See thats the thing, ppl dont like what folks say not bcz they do not agree, but rather bcz it may change there belief system, and thats to scary for most, peace.
In response to Craig's Kalam argument, some atheists use the example of radioactive decay to refute the first point, that whatever exists must have had a cause. Isn't this an example of an uncaused cause? Couldnt you make the same point about an unmoved mover? Also, this particular author denies that anything that began to exist must necessarily have a cause, yet demands a reason for the universe being created in a timeless state, which apparently is impossible. Thoughts?
@robertmiller6924 I wanted to listen to what Turek has to say, but the guy keeps yelling so much it annoys the shit out of me. Does he think he's standing at the pulpit?
@terrortorn Am I the only one who rejects the legitimacy of this debate based on the title? What best explains reality: theism or atheism? That's like asking what best explains Christmas: Santa-ism or aSanta-ism?
@RuinSonic In which of course aSanta-ism wins, because believing literally that Santa exists is to ignore the reality of christmas, which is that it is a seasonal holiday plagiarized from other holidays and that all these holidays are merely ancient observances of the winter solstice and the changing of the seasons. aSanta-ism is free from the restrictions of Santa-ism. Perfectly legitimate.
@CountLorcean You don't get it. Atheism is is to Theism as aCreationism is to Creationism. And aCreationism does not equal evolution. Nor does evolution explain how everything was created or came to be. Atheism doesn't explain shit. Atheists have all sorts of beliefs. Atheism only means rejecting a deity which could or could not explain much of the universe depending on what deity it is. Putting it on the same level is the bullshit these apologists want.
@CyclonexxxIce naaaa. it is hitch who talks too slow. he has to think twice before to says the same think, over and over again. " god is evil, religion is bad"
@lilmissmachiavelli realy..?? i did it pretty quit. he always repeat the same think " god doesn exist ( of course with no fundaments) and religion is immoral.
@damianreaven It's mostly his way with words, I listen to a lot of debates and it's like people writing their arguments down on recipe cards and repeating it, they're unable to deviate. If you listen to him for the material of course it will always be the same, but he is able to adapt his argument and bring up points (because of his vast knowledge) the other side has trouble responding to, he is an amazing orator. I listen to a lot of debates and he very very skilled.
@damianreaven If you have some time read "god is not Great" if you take the view that his arguments have no fundamentals. It's much easier to see a person arguments sometimes.
what isn't fair is that religious people can always argue without the confines atheist have to deal with. namely making sense and having an actual logical point. atheists should just do the smart thing and kill them all before they come for us.
This debate isn't even fair. Frank Turek is like a sort of smart 12 year old who knows just enough stuff to start an argument but not enough to effectively win one and get themselves out of it. And even that may be giving him too much credit.
I hate it when people say there are such thing as "Objective Morals". Morality is completely relative to who ever you ask, which is why there are so many split ideas on abortion, war and criminal penalties. Certain species of dolphins will kill infant dolphins from other pods and play with the carcass for fun.
@gg0BSBZerg wikipedia , ha? i give u some wikipedia
Turek is a former aviator in the U.S. Navy, and has a Masters degree from George Washington University and a doctorate in Apologetics from Southern Evangelical Seminary.[3] He has also taught classes in Leadership and Management at George Washington University.
I used to feel great sorrow that there were people that could, somehow, take people like Turek the least bit seriously. Now, it's obvious that not all minds are capable of accepting the fact that we will never exactly know our origin. We are born, and most of us have uneducated nonsense poured into our minds- what choice do we really have to believe or not believe? My confusion comes when people accept "facts" based on faith alone.
Tureks arguments hold strength over only the weakest of minds. A few months of reading/research/talking to educated men- and you can easily refute any one of Tureks misquotes.
We hate religion simply because it enables otherwise intelligent, caring people, to do disgusting and terrible things while wasting a significant portion of their lives studying a meaningless book.
what a sickening appeal to emotion at the end there by turek. he fails to mention that Hitchens's point about the immorality of christ's "sacrifice" was that it was meant to enjoin future humanity to a spiritual debt that has been entirely fictional since its inception. i wonder if that soldier was an atheist... would have proved Hitchens's point with the kind of irony that would warm his grave.
Turek managed to retain his dignity up until the end when he employed the cheap tactic of showing a dead soldier's picture to move the audience. I call it the "awww factor" and it's pretty lame.
Why does Turek keep asking questions and then pretending to not hear the answers? How can he not know that "specified complexity" requires no rebuttal from Hitchens because "specified complexity," as he uses the term, is a fanatical religious dogma rather than a scientific principle?
well done and controlled debate. Turek was masterful at zealous traditional religious oratory --- Hitchens at his appeal to everyone's intrinsic and genuine desire to know the TRUTH --- and that they set their minds free as a result.
I think this debate is great example of how it's tempting to believe something just because it's spoken with authority by someone who claims or is labeled as an authority, somewhat ironic.
I just read Isiah 53 (1:23:38). So god wanted to inflict punishment and pain on innocence. This is evil. Isiah makes god look even more like a true asshole.
Hitchens has a point though - this is billed as Atheism or Theism and Turek spends his opening 20mins doing his best to avoid even discussing Theism. Instead he opens with the more reasonable position of Deism.
@krackersdave sxcuse me, but who avoid a lot of time the discussion was hitch. he keep repeating the same thing over and over again " god is evil, and religion is immoral)
Hitchens comes across as being a douchebag and a jerk. His low tone and accent make him seem like he can monotonously rant on about anything. He also sometimes dodges direct questions from Turek. His points are not as strong as Turek's. To say Hitchens schooled Turek is absurd, he tied this debate at best.
@krackersdave Yea, you can continue to attack my comments: "Person X's comment shows how huge the gulf is." In response to this sort of tactic, such comments as your's shows superficial thought. You just point a finger and say it's dumb, and hold your head high thinking doing that made you look good.
@gnolmahp There's no point attacking your comments - they stand for themselves. And there is nothing superficial - this is a genuine held deep belief I have that you are suffering from a mental ilness.
@krackersdave Correct, my comments stand for themselves, and they stand in stability at that. Now you attack my mentality, without ever meeting me. I can say the same about your mental situation, but for lack of evidence, I will withhold that judgment. What I *can* see about your character, though, is that you are despicably intolerant of other people's competing beliefs, and you hold no reserve in labeling their mentality. I will let other YouTubers assess your character.
As the Turek begins his speech, I have to wonder if he is compensating for his weak argument. He seems to be likeable, but it is inevitable, Hitchens will prevail.
Let me try to punch a hole in your stupid : Hitchens is dead. Dead means no longer living. The dead don't know anything as knowing things requires a functioning brain.
I've watched many of Hitchens debates. There's one thing I always notice about him. When pinned down on specifics he never really answers questions. He merely deflects questions by espousing hatred for Christianity. In a nutshell it goes like this: "How do you know or explain why you know so and so?" Answer? "I hate ALL religion!" That's basically what Hitchens does. And he does it in little catchy humorous couplets so as to evade.
@mmttomb3 I actually agree with you. Personally I enjoy when Hitchens speaks by himself because is a very good orator, is witty, and provokes some good thought. However, I really don't think he is well suited for a debate on whether god exists. Same thing happened when he debated Craig. The theist lays out his or her bulletpoints and then Hitchens goes on about how ridiculous Christianity is instead of trying to dismantle those bulletpoints. As an atheist I find it disappointing.
Obviously you turned the sound down when Frank dismantled Christopher. If, to you, think rambling endlessly and creating straw men about how "bad" Christianity is when asked for SPECIFICS is answering a question then I have to question rather YOU listened to the debate!
God loves Hitchens? Why would he send him into eternal torture then? There's nothing constructive or loving about that. Furthermore it doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" Hitchens is. Just because Hitchens doesn't believe in the Christian idea of "God" he is sent to hell which only means that this God's vanity is trumped by his empathy. His sense of justice is "if you make one mistake (not having faith) here, then eternal torture for you." How can you believe that there is a loving God with that?
@sjatox Our talk is getting pointless. I admit that the misuse of religion is bad and lots of people were killed in the name of God. That doesn't mean that God wanted it.
@sjatox If there are people who are unpleasant to be around, they are the people who attribute to me or (things I believe) views which I have never held. I have never killed anyone nor that I want anyone to be killed in God's name.
We as atheist do not have a book full of rules that we have to follow.
We question our world and what we see in it. We DON'T give a final answer to what is right and wrong - your stupifying religion does. We say we don't know how all things came about - not how they came to be, because things are not done coming and evolving.
If i said that i believe in a blue horse flying around the milky way - you couldn't say that i was wrong.
"We as atheist do not have a book full of rules that we have to follow."
Wrong. In his "Kapital" Karl Marx formulated most of your views on religion particularly the one about religion being "the opium of the people". Otherwise you views were a set of oral superstitions not worthy of serious discussion. You have just rephrased Marx. "We DON'T give a final answer to what is right and wrong" So much th worse for you. Your lack of answers make Christianity more valuable.
@gentleglow "Wrong. In his "Kapital" Karl Marx formulated most of your views on religion particularly the one about religion being "the opium of the people""
Right, so you are claiming now that ALL atheists have read this book and use it as a rule book to follow?
Nonsense.
"a set of oral superstitions"
You clearly have no idea what the word 'superstition' actually means!
@seansalvador1 "Right, so you are claiming now that ALL atheists have read this book and use it as a rule book to follow?" I can tell what a book says without actually reading it. How came? Impossible. Well, at least Hitchens might have read it. Sorry I meant prejudice, not superstitions. Does it make my point clearer?
@seansalvador1 "Atheism has not got a text of rules its" Really? There was a discipline taught in Soviet universities which was called "scientific atheism". It was entirely based on Marx's writings. And it brought forth so many rules that doctrines. May be the type of atheism you keep to is just an underdeveloped one.
"There was a discipline taught in Soviet universities which was called "scientific atheism""
Unless you are seriously suggesting that atheists have some text book that they use as a moral guide called "scientific atheism" then you are talking nonsense.
"May be the type of atheism you keep to is just an underdeveloped one."
Atheism only tells you what i don;t believe, not what i do believe. I believe in humanism, rationality, charity etc.
@seansalvador1 "Unless you are seriously suggesting that atheists have some text book that they use as a moral guide called "scientific atheism"" Strange as it was but they seemed to form a new morality free of religion and based on Marx which said that if you don't believe in God you are more humane, advanced and moral unlike the believers who are vile and evil.
"Atheism only tells you what i don;t believe, not what i do believe"
That still doesn't change that to be a christian you have to belive in the things i have said. You can be educated and an idiot at the same time is all it proves.
And there is still no evidence that allah, thor, buddah, god and what not, are real.
Life is besutiful because it has an ending znd therefore please use it carefully and not believing in fairytales.
@sjatox "to be a Christian you have to belive in the things i have said."
To be a Christian I have to believe in the things Jesus said.
"Atheism is not a religion. To be an atheist simply means that you believe in proof - hard scientific proof. And reason."
I believe in all scientific proof but I am still a Christian. None of the "scientific truth" claim that God doesn't exist. If you can think of any, go ahead.
Atheism is not a religion. To be an atheist simply means that you believe in proof - hard scientific proof. And reason.
To say what you do makes you come of as a brainwashed religious being.
Religion has rules of how to kill other people and ways to make them suffer if they do not follow the rules. And all those who belive in other old folklore stories are sent to hell, where they will suffer forever.
You must then like to see people get killed and suffer if they are thinking diff
Atheism has all the attributes of a religion. It has its leaders, followers, doctrines and mythology. It dictates people what to do, what not to do, what to believe, what not to believe. In many respects, it is base on false interpretation of scientific knowledge because science has never said that there is no god. See Christopher Hitchens vs John Lennox debate Is God great.
@gentleglow "Atheism has all the attributes of a religion. It has its leaders, followers, doctrines and mythology"
Atheism cannot have doctrines, cannot have mythology and certainly not leaders by any definition. This is because it is a word that mean "not theist". It is used to describe people who lack belief in something and a lack of belief is not in and of itself a belief in the same way a lack of a car is not a type of car!
I feel sorry for you. You believe in a religion that has killed millions. That point their finger on gay people.Who believes in zombies. Who believes that all of the universe are made just so that we can go to church on sundays.
I actually think it is very scary that so called intelligent species can believe something like that.
@gentleglow "Atheism and its proponents has killed by far more than any religion"
This strange claim is not entirely unusual of you guys, but it is complete nonsense. Show me instances of millions dying in the name of a lack of belief in a deity please, i doubt you can find a single example.
@seansalvador1 "Show me instances of millions dying in the name of a lack of belief in a deity please"
Millions??? I can show you instances of hundreds and event thousands who got killed simply because they refused to believe in a lack of belief in a deity. Russian history again.
But that was not due to his atheism. Of course it wasn't. How does one do something because of a lack of belief? He hated any authority other than his own.
Religion is hoax and for people who are afraid of death and wish to believe in old stupid writings and who don't have a thirst for knowledge, they are happy that every qurstion can be answered with "it is the will of god" - keep your stupifying religion to yourselves.
@sjatox Your thirst for knowledge should have told you that lots of scientist manage to balance religion and science. For example, Copernicus was a devoted Christian which didn't stop him from finding out new things about the universe.
Turek: "The Holy Spirit."
Hitchens: "I rest my case."
CountLorcean 3 hours ago
I love how Christopher's first few minutes destroy Turek's whole opening, and he's just repeating the same argument he's given in almost every other debate. He doesn't even have to try.
CountLorcean 4 hours ago
This Turek guy is killing me. He's so ignorant that I can barely stand it.
CountLorcean 4 hours ago
i just hope the mormon church doesnt try to baptize him, that would make me so pissed!
UtopiaMinor666 1 day ago
I love listening to him speak
bigalsaidso 2 days ago 2
First deity to resurrect Hitchens wins!!!
bigalsaidso 3 days ago 2
I don't know now Hitchens kept his cool with these morons
fuckingwiththestars 3 days ago
I hate when the religious do this.
Hitchens points out all the holes in their ideas "How can morality exist without God!".. "How can something come from nothing!"..
And then the final resort of the religious, is to just spaff out questions like "Where did the world come from, and why is it real". AS IF ANYONE HAS AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
And then they're like, see, I can answer that, and you can't! When their "answer" is actually just made up NONSENSE that a child can see through
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tigersforchrist 4 days ago
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damianreaven 5 days ago
lol all turek does is to critisize hitchens..
christian scum
loffaboy 5 days ago
@loffaboy Criticize his job. yes Sr that is call debate
damianreaven 5 days ago
This isn't an argument of Atheism VS Theism. It's Atheism VS Christianity (a form of theism). But Christianity isn't theism itself. I'd like to hear an argument of Atheism VS Deism. That would actually be fun to hear, and hearing these men find their precise words for their arguments would be awesome.
ElMyr23 5 days ago
@ElMyr23 Deism is nothing but theism for intellectuals who have seen through the theistic crap, but are too scared to let go of it completely. Fence-sitters, like agnostics.
TomFynn 3 days ago
" I have the wrong chemicals" ... I guess that's Turek's version of "Sexual Chocolate"!! LOL
joestudio901 5 days ago
God Turkey is such a fucking hard on, nice closing statement, some soldier died. Woopty fucking do, people die every day asshole. Way to appeal to American Nationalism instead of actually proving something. If I ever mourn for soliders, its because im pissed they wasted their life on the military, especially if they only went in to get money for college. Ass-hurt faggotrons.
xlr8rkid98 6 days ago
Turek on repeat - he uses the same whimsical shit concluding sentence as he did the last time Hitchens served him his ass on a plate with trimmings... and a side of butt-hurt.
timchilli 1 week ago
@timchilli but hitch coul'nt answer any Turek question. he just was stuttering the whole debate. Did u know that Hitch mayor is science political and philosophy? could u explain me why in f... hell he talks about religion with a former person?
damianreaven 5 days ago
@damianreaven I can't understand you.
timchilli 5 days ago
Turek gets louder and redder with every sentence. If he had so much faith in his faith, you'd think he'd be a bit more relaxed. Maybe he's just realising that he's backed the losing horse in this race.
timchilli 1 week ago
Christians have heard all of the jokes about the bible, Jesus, and the Christian faith.
That is NOT going to deter us from believing in God.
You say you have scientific PROOF that God does not exist so that is what you're trying to prove here.
You're not trying to prove that the bible stories couldn't be true because there is NO WAY to prove that.
I think Hitchens failed here.
meme4god 1 week ago
@meme4god the burden of proof is on YOU as a believer, not atheists. Why can you not understand that?
timchilli 1 week ago
I don't see how Hitchens has explained that God does NOT exist, scientifically.
I just see him bashing faith and religion.
I though this debate was to explain SCIENTIFICALLY why God exists or does not exist.
Hmmmmm
meme4god 1 week ago
I spent most of my life as an agnostic and not really knowing for sure, but at times I tended to go 1 way then the other. And now in some of the comments I see from ppl who do not believe makes me see my self back then and at all the excuses I'd use for ignoring God, "religion has done evil", "God in the old testament kills" etc, the things we do to our selves just to ignore God and his rules, thats what it comes down to really, God has rules and we dont want to be told what to do, peace =)
WakeupFreinds 1 week ago
Funny: Towards the end when Frank offers to stay longer so that Christopher can have a closing statement, everyone claps, but when Christopher forfeited his closing statement earlier on. so that he could instead answer more questions, no-one clapped.
tentimetex 1 week ago
Turek sounds more and more stupid as the debate progresses. He cant handle the unexpected questions and his true colours show.
needicecream100 1 week ago
@needicecream100 I love listening to both men debate, regardless where I stand, but to call Frank Turek "stupid" just bcz u dont want to listen to his argument, just shows ignorance on your behalf. Both had something to say and like I said at the start I really enjoy much of Christopher Hitchens debates regardless if I'm a Christian. See thats the thing, ppl dont like what folks say not bcz they do not agree, but rather bcz it may change there belief system, and thats to scary for most, peace.
WakeupFreinds 1 week ago
@WakeupFreinds
Exactly
And we all know Atheists don't want to have to BELIEVE something else
LOL
Really people, grow up. You can disagree with someone without the name-calling.
meme4god 1 week ago
Stop shouting, Frank, jesus christ. (oops lol)
needicecream100 1 week ago
Uuh...the holy spirit...LOL skip to 1:14:00 for pwnage!!
lionshare101 1 week ago
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lionshare101 1 week ago
Turek just completely failed on the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The universe is NOT guaranteed to be a closed system.
adknerr 1 week ago
TUREK is amazing, he gave facts, but hitch gives arguments of a child, "God is evil, why he let my my mom did?"
damianreaven 1 week ago
@damianreaven I weep for people like you. Please don't ever procreate.
timchilli 1 week ago
I would give my own life if Hitchens could live another life time.
rza1m 1 week ago
In response to Craig's Kalam argument, some atheists use the example of radioactive decay to refute the first point, that whatever exists must have had a cause. Isn't this an example of an uncaused cause? Couldnt you make the same point about an unmoved mover? Also, this particular author denies that anything that began to exist must necessarily have a cause, yet demands a reason for the universe being created in a timeless state, which apparently is impossible. Thoughts?
yalb93 2 weeks ago
Lol religious people.
TheSion40k 2 weeks ago
Am i the only one who skipped past tureks 20 minute opening to hear christopher hitchens?
robertmiller6924 2 weeks ago 10
@robertmiller6924 nope :D i did it too!
apg101 2 weeks ago
@robertmiller6924 99% yes
damianreaven 1 week ago
@robertmiller6924 dats true for all atheists who d fuck would listen to turek,even christians wont
thescorpionking2020 1 week ago
@robertmiller6924 No sir, you were not!
thunderpussy100 1 week ago
@robertmiller6924 I wanted to listen to what Turek has to say, but the guy keeps yelling so much it annoys the shit out of me. Does he think he's standing at the pulpit?
Fenster74 4 days ago
@robertmiller6924 Is there anyone who didn't skip past Tureks 20 minute opening?
terrortorn 19 hours ago
@terrortorn Am I the only one who rejects the legitimacy of this debate based on the title? What best explains reality: theism or atheism? That's like asking what best explains Christmas: Santa-ism or aSanta-ism?
RuinSonic 6 hours ago
@RuinSonic In which of course aSanta-ism wins, because believing literally that Santa exists is to ignore the reality of christmas, which is that it is a seasonal holiday plagiarized from other holidays and that all these holidays are merely ancient observances of the winter solstice and the changing of the seasons. aSanta-ism is free from the restrictions of Santa-ism. Perfectly legitimate.
CountLorcean 4 hours ago
@CountLorcean You don't get it. Atheism is is to Theism as aCreationism is to Creationism. And aCreationism does not equal evolution. Nor does evolution explain how everything was created or came to be. Atheism doesn't explain shit. Atheists have all sorts of beliefs. Atheism only means rejecting a deity which could or could not explain much of the universe depending on what deity it is. Putting it on the same level is the bullshit these apologists want.
RuinSonic 4 hours ago
@CountLorcean At the very best it would be like asking which explains all of reality: Creationism or evolution. But it isn't even that.
RuinSonic 4 hours ago
Turek talks so fast because his words don't mean as much as Hitchens'.
CyclonexxxIce 2 weeks ago
@CyclonexxxIce naaaa. it is hitch who talks too slow. he has to think twice before to says the same think, over and over again. " god is evil, religion is bad"
damianreaven 1 week ago
I could never get tired listening to Hitchens
lilmissmachiavelli 2 weeks ago
@lilmissmachiavelli realy..?? i did it pretty quit. he always repeat the same think " god doesn exist ( of course with no fundaments) and religion is immoral.
damianreaven 1 week ago
@damianreaven It's mostly his way with words, I listen to a lot of debates and it's like people writing their arguments down on recipe cards and repeating it, they're unable to deviate. If you listen to him for the material of course it will always be the same, but he is able to adapt his argument and bring up points (because of his vast knowledge) the other side has trouble responding to, he is an amazing orator. I listen to a lot of debates and he very very skilled.
lilmissmachiavelli 1 week ago
@damianreaven If you have some time read "god is not Great" if you take the view that his arguments have no fundamentals. It's much easier to see a person arguments sometimes.
lilmissmachiavelli 1 week ago
Religion is established on myths
heathsawyer 2 weeks ago
what isn't fair is that religious people can always argue without the confines atheist have to deal with. namely making sense and having an actual logical point. atheists should just do the smart thing and kill them all before they come for us.
HippiDippiWeatherMan 2 weeks ago
Argument is not assertion.
And please stop misinterpreting Dostoyevsky.
Arahant108 2 weeks ago
This debate isn't even fair. Frank Turek is like a sort of smart 12 year old who knows just enough stuff to start an argument but not enough to effectively win one and get themselves out of it. And even that may be giving him too much credit.
chaseren11 2 weeks ago
I hate it when people say there are such thing as "Objective Morals". Morality is completely relative to who ever you ask, which is why there are so many split ideas on abortion, war and criminal penalties. Certain species of dolphins will kill infant dolphins from other pods and play with the carcass for fun.
OshiSeven 2 weeks ago
1:42 to skip the intro.
yvranx 2 weeks ago
Well youve got science, the adventure for explaining reality. or religion = putting our nature onto reality.
dawtchins 2 weeks ago
Turek doesn't actually read any books, he just googles "Science Quotes, Big Bang"
gg0BSBZerg 3 weeks ago
@gg0BSBZerg wikipedia , ha? i give u some wikipedia
Turek is a former aviator in the U.S. Navy, and has a Masters degree from George Washington University and a doctorate in Apologetics from Southern Evangelical Seminary.[3] He has also taught classes in Leadership and Management at George Washington University.
damianreaven 1 week ago
@damianreaven
I used to feel great sorrow that there were people that could, somehow, take people like Turek the least bit seriously. Now, it's obvious that not all minds are capable of accepting the fact that we will never exactly know our origin. We are born, and most of us have uneducated nonsense poured into our minds- what choice do we really have to believe or not believe? My confusion comes when people accept "facts" based on faith alone.
gg0BSBZerg 1 week ago
Tureks arguments hold strength over only the weakest of minds. A few months of reading/research/talking to educated men- and you can easily refute any one of Tureks misquotes.
We hate religion simply because it enables otherwise intelligent, caring people, to do disgusting and terrible things while wasting a significant portion of their lives studying a meaningless book.
gg0BSBZerg 1 week ago
what a sickening appeal to emotion at the end there by turek. he fails to mention that Hitchens's point about the immorality of christ's "sacrifice" was that it was meant to enjoin future humanity to a spiritual debt that has been entirely fictional since its inception. i wonder if that soldier was an atheist... would have proved Hitchens's point with the kind of irony that would warm his grave.
22ATek 3 weeks ago
20,000 children die of starvation everyday and he has the nerve to make a joke about starving children. What a fucking idiot. Fuck your kids college.
thoughtmobster1 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Turek needs to take few 1st year science courses...it's really sad.
Chomite 3 weeks ago
Turek uses the old, obvious strategy of "if I'll quote physics AND theology, people won't notice the difference."
very insulting to an audience.
darkerforest 3 weeks ago
Turek's arguments are as clever as a 12 year-old's
marcos20alves 3 weeks ago 2
oneness
Hamporkcheese 3 weeks ago
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Hamporkcheese 3 weeks ago
its not an explosion, its expansion and contraction at the same time....
Hamporkcheese 3 weeks ago
wow... he does talk fast...
Hamporkcheese 3 weeks ago
why the heck didnt hitchinson mention Kant's categorical imperativ in regards to morals and whats right and wrong?
donjaysus 4 weeks ago
@donjaysus coz time constraints. The debate wasn't 10 hours long fyi
LuisManuelLealDias 3 weeks ago
Turek managed to retain his dignity up until the end when he employed the cheap tactic of showing a dead soldier's picture to move the audience. I call it the "awww factor" and it's pretty lame.
GhostSniper3081 1 month ago
Turek is so ignorant about DNA .. and pretty much all science.
erodr048 1 month ago
Still cant believe he is dead, real bloody shame!!
stevenmlillis 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos 13
"I can speak 150 words per minute".. To quote William Hurt from the movie 'Smoke', "Bullshit is a real talent"
cemalson 1 month ago
what the fuck
clearly this fucker Turek doesnt know what the second law of thermodynamics is about
facepalm x1000
BenBenz16 1 month ago
Turek fails in every level lol.
anime891 1 month ago 2
Turek is not only stupid, he's also boring. He is asking people to buy his book to pay his children's college fees. Beggars do that.
lokenath123 1 month ago 2
the girl on 1:22:40 is soooo hot!!
marcohorowitz8 1 month ago
It's cringe-worthy when Turek tries to be funny cos he just doesn't know how.
ChainsawVsGod 1 month ago
The Hitch is so cool and easy to listen to whereas Turek just yells.
ChainsawVsGod 1 month ago
TUREK IS A NOOOOOOOOOOB
PennyStockTrader 1 month ago
All I could draw from hearing Turek speaking was: vociferation certainly doesn't explain reality best.
MCAMVP 1 month ago
Why does Turek keep asking questions and then pretending to not hear the answers? How can he not know that "specified complexity" requires no rebuttal from Hitchens because "specified complexity," as he uses the term, is a fanatical religious dogma rather than a scientific principle?
SammyHales 1 month ago 8
"...There is a Christopher Hitchens and I died for him... but because he doesn't agree with me I'll burn him for eternity".
OshiSeven 1 month ago
well done and controlled debate. Turek was masterful at zealous traditional religious oratory --- Hitchens at his appeal to everyone's intrinsic and genuine desire to know the TRUTH --- and that they set their minds free as a result.
oasislv 1 month ago
You don't want my mind! (best comeback ever)
rejoctz 1 month ago
I think this debate is great example of how it's tempting to believe something just because it's spoken with authority by someone who claims or is labeled as an authority, somewhat ironic.
BabbleBucket 1 month ago
I just read Isiah 53 (1:23:38). So god wanted to inflict punishment and pain on innocence. This is evil. Isiah makes god look even more like a true asshole.
Xiquid 1 month ago
I almost feel sorry for this guy. The Hitchslaps seem very painful
GrecoWrestlerNJ70 1 month ago
The problem with Hume is that his arguments don't make sense when you don't understand them.
robbertfolmer 1 month ago 2
from new jersey, and mildly insulted after not even three minutes by turek. save me.
iloveplatypuses 1 month ago
it bugs me that i never had the chance to see him speak in person. Thank you YouTube.
rcmaphia 1 month ago
@rcmaphia Same here mate
krackersdave 1 month ago
Hitchens has a point though - this is billed as Atheism or Theism and Turek spends his opening 20mins doing his best to avoid even discussing Theism. Instead he opens with the more reasonable position of Deism.
Numpty.
krackersdave 1 month ago
@krackersdave sxcuse me, but who avoid a lot of time the discussion was hitch. he keep repeating the same thing over and over again " god is evil, and religion is immoral)
damianreaven 1 week ago
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krackersdave 1 month ago
1:13:37 Not only does Turek understand nothing of chemistry and physics but also he cannot count.
TomFynn 1 month ago
Frank=Typical preacher-screaming sermon! He comes up with his own facts and reasons....very scientific!!!!
behnam22 1 month ago
@MegaCrevice
niklasheterjag 1 month ago
What the fuck is with this Frank Turek and chemicals?
DYoshe 1 month ago 2
Dr. Frank Turek is prone to pleonasm... A filthy substitute for the laconic wit that Hitchens possesses.
DYoshe 1 month ago
At 1:24:37 - *sniggers* "..And verily, Jesus tapped that ass.."
papillon7 1 month ago
Hitchens comes across as being a douchebag and a jerk. His low tone and accent make him seem like he can monotonously rant on about anything. He also sometimes dodges direct questions from Turek. His points are not as strong as Turek's. To say Hitchens schooled Turek is absurd, he tied this debate at best.
gnolmahp 1 month ago
@gnolmahp This comment more than any other really expresses the huge gulf between Thiests and sane human beings...
krackersdave 1 month ago
@krackersdave Yea, you can continue to attack my comments: "Person X's comment shows how huge the gulf is." In response to this sort of tactic, such comments as your's shows superficial thought. You just point a finger and say it's dumb, and hold your head high thinking doing that made you look good.
gnolmahp 1 month ago
@gnolmahp There's no point attacking your comments - they stand for themselves. And there is nothing superficial - this is a genuine held deep belief I have that you are suffering from a mental ilness.
krackersdave 1 month ago
@krackersdave Correct, my comments stand for themselves, and they stand in stability at that. Now you attack my mentality, without ever meeting me. I can say the same about your mental situation, but for lack of evidence, I will withhold that judgment. What I *can* see about your character, though, is that you are despicably intolerant of other people's competing beliefs, and you hold no reserve in labeling their mentality. I will let other YouTubers assess your character.
gnolmahp 1 month ago
As the Turek begins his speech, I have to wonder if he is compensating for his weak argument. He seems to be likeable, but it is inevitable, Hitchens will prevail.
dalhar20 1 month ago
Having spent a large portion of his life denying the existence of God, he's well aware of who HE is now!!!
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@mmttomb3
Let me try to punch a hole in your stupid : Hitchens is dead. Dead means no longer living. The dead don't know anything as knowing things requires a functioning brain.
slipcurve 1 month ago
I've watched many of Hitchens debates. There's one thing I always notice about him. When pinned down on specifics he never really answers questions. He merely deflects questions by espousing hatred for Christianity. In a nutshell it goes like this: "How do you know or explain why you know so and so?" Answer? "I hate ALL religion!" That's basically what Hitchens does. And he does it in little catchy humorous couplets so as to evade.
mmttomb3 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@mmttomb3 I actually agree with you. Personally I enjoy when Hitchens speaks by himself because is a very good orator, is witty, and provokes some good thought. However, I really don't think he is well suited for a debate on whether god exists. Same thing happened when he debated Craig. The theist lays out his or her bulletpoints and then Hitchens goes on about how ridiculous Christianity is instead of trying to dismantle those bulletpoints. As an atheist I find it disappointing.
jasonjon88 1 month ago
@mmttomb3 You obviously didn't listen to this debate at all.
LoGos7891 1 month ago
@LoGos7891
Obviously you turned the sound down when Frank dismantled Christopher. If, to you, think rambling endlessly and creating straw men about how "bad" Christianity is when asked for SPECIFICS is answering a question then I have to question rather YOU listened to the debate!
mmttomb3 1 month ago
@mmttomb3 Which of Frank's arguments convinced you? Which of them dismantled Chrisopher's position?
SammyHales 1 month ago
Turek jokes are even bad. Is Turek a masochist.... he's already been shredded by Hitchens once.
hawkinscraig05 1 month ago
God loves Hitchens? Why would he send him into eternal torture then? There's nothing constructive or loving about that. Furthermore it doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" Hitchens is. Just because Hitchens doesn't believe in the Christian idea of "God" he is sent to hell which only means that this God's vanity is trumped by his empathy. His sense of justice is "if you make one mistake (not having faith) here, then eternal torture for you." How can you believe that there is a loving God with that?
spazyness 1 month ago
9:26 yes it is
ghm011301 1 month ago
Turek should have called his book "I Don't Have Enough Intellectual Courage or Integrity to be an Atheist."
ghm011301 1 month ago 37
This just wasn't fucking fair...
Hitchens could debate God about God's existence and still win.
1IrishWarning 1 month ago 38
@1IrishWarning I cant believe that idiot came back for another beating. I love how he immediately begins by misquoting scientists.
gg0BSBZerg 3 weeks ago
Believe in Christ not religion
Dolitalecia 1 month ago
@Dolitalecia blah blah...... "Love the sinner, hate the sin." I've heard that shit before.
MegaCrevice 1 month ago
The fuck is this guy on about, Hitchens raped him.
turbosvenska 1 month ago
@gentleglow
Still you claim to be christian - therfore you pledge yourself to the law of you master in the sky.
What good has religion done that people couldn't do without it? And what evil has religion done that could only be done because of it.
I can't say that i believe the rules in traffic - just not the red light. That doesn't work.
sjatox 2 months ago
@sjatox Our talk is getting pointless. I admit that the misuse of religion is bad and lots of people were killed in the name of God. That doesn't mean that God wanted it.
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow
If there is people that are unpleasant to be around, it is people who think they know all.
People who never settles and always think "could there be another way" are far more interesting.
But go on with your selfcentered hate-religion that aproves murder in the name of it and slavery. I will not have it.
sjatox 2 months ago
@sjatox If there are people who are unpleasant to be around, they are the people who attribute to me or (things I believe) views which I have never held. I have never killed anyone nor that I want anyone to be killed in God's name.
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow
The "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
seansalvador1 2 months ago
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seansalvador1 2 months ago
@seansalvador1
sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking me :/
lethargicsuperhero 2 months ago
@gentleglow
Please stop with your stupid insinuations.
We as atheist do not have a book full of rules that we have to follow.
We question our world and what we see in it. We DON'T give a final answer to what is right and wrong - your stupifying religion does. We say we don't know how all things came about - not how they came to be, because things are not done coming and evolving.
If i said that i believe in a blue horse flying around the milky way - you couldn't say that i was wrong.
sjatox 2 months ago
@sjatox
"We as atheist do not have a book full of rules that we have to follow."
Wrong. In his "Kapital" Karl Marx formulated most of your views on religion particularly the one about religion being "the opium of the people". Otherwise you views were a set of oral superstitions not worthy of serious discussion. You have just rephrased Marx. "We DON'T give a final answer to what is right and wrong" So much th worse for you. Your lack of answers make Christianity more valuable.
gentleglow 2 months ago
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@gentleglow "Wrong. In his "Kapital" Karl Marx formulated most of your views on religion particularly the one about religion being "the opium of the people""
Right, so you are claiming now that ALL atheists have read this book and use it as a rule book to follow?
Nonsense.
"a set of oral superstitions"
You clearly have no idea what the word 'superstition' actually means!
Prove this claim please.
seansalvador1 2 months ago
@seansalvador1 "Right, so you are claiming now that ALL atheists have read this book and use it as a rule book to follow?" I can tell what a book says without actually reading it. How came? Impossible. Well, at least Hitchens might have read it. Sorry I meant prejudice, not superstitions. Does it make my point clearer?
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow
Your point is not clear. Atheism has not got a text of rules its followers must adhere to and no doctrines.
seansalvador1 2 months ago
@seansalvador1 "Atheism has not got a text of rules its" Really? There was a discipline taught in Soviet universities which was called "scientific atheism". It was entirely based on Marx's writings. And it brought forth so many rules that doctrines. May be the type of atheism you keep to is just an underdeveloped one.
gentleglow 2 months ago
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@gentleglow
"There was a discipline taught in Soviet universities which was called "scientific atheism""
Unless you are seriously suggesting that atheists have some text book that they use as a moral guide called "scientific atheism" then you are talking nonsense.
"May be the type of atheism you keep to is just an underdeveloped one."
Atheism only tells you what i don;t believe, not what i do believe. I believe in humanism, rationality, charity etc.
seansalvador1 2 months ago
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@seansalvador1 "Unless you are seriously suggesting that atheists have some text book that they use as a moral guide called "scientific atheism"" Strange as it was but they seemed to form a new morality free of religion and based on Marx which said that if you don't believe in God you are more humane, advanced and moral unlike the believers who are vile and evil.
"Atheism only tells you what i don;t believe, not what i do believe"
Do you believe that God doesn't exist?
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow
That still doesn't change that to be a christian you have to belive in the things i have said. You can be educated and an idiot at the same time is all it proves.
And there is still no evidence that allah, thor, buddah, god and what not, are real.
Life is besutiful because it has an ending znd therefore please use it carefully and not believing in fairytales.
sjatox 2 months ago
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@sjatox "to be a Christian you have to belive in the things i have said."
To be a Christian I have to believe in the things Jesus said.
"Atheism is not a religion. To be an atheist simply means that you believe in proof - hard scientific proof. And reason."
I believe in all scientific proof but I am still a Christian. None of the "scientific truth" claim that God doesn't exist. If you can think of any, go ahead.
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow
Atheism is not a religion. To be an atheist simply means that you believe in proof - hard scientific proof. And reason.
To say what you do makes you come of as a brainwashed religious being.
Religion has rules of how to kill other people and ways to make them suffer if they do not follow the rules. And all those who belive in other old folklore stories are sent to hell, where they will suffer forever.
You must then like to see people get killed and suffer if they are thinking diff
sjatox 2 months ago
@sjatox "Atheism is not a religion. "
Atheism has all the attributes of a religion. It has its leaders, followers, doctrines and mythology. It dictates people what to do, what not to do, what to believe, what not to believe. In many respects, it is base on false interpretation of scientific knowledge because science has never said that there is no god. See Christopher Hitchens vs John Lennox debate Is God great.
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow "Atheism has all the attributes of a religion. It has its leaders, followers, doctrines and mythology"
Atheism cannot have doctrines, cannot have mythology and certainly not leaders by any definition. This is because it is a word that mean "not theist". It is used to describe people who lack belief in something and a lack of belief is not in and of itself a belief in the same way a lack of a car is not a type of car!
seansalvador1 2 months ago
@gentleglow "base on false interpretation of scientific knowledge because science has never said that there is no god"
No one ever claimed it was!
Straw man argument.
seansalvador1 2 months ago
@seansalvador1 There were plenty (at least in the 19-th century) who used Darwin theory as proof that God doesn't exist. Do you disagree?
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow
No, they used it as evidence against the argument from design and against biblical literalism, which it is.
seansalvador1 2 months ago
@seansalvador1The divine design is an integral part of Christianity.
gentleglow 2 months ago
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@gentleglow "The divine design is an integral part of Christianity"
I have literally no idea what the hell you are talking about...
seansalvador1 2 months ago
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@gentleglow
No, they used it as evidence against the argument from design and against biblical literalism, which it is.
seansalvador1 2 months ago
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@gentleglow
No, it was used as evidence against the argument from design and biblical literalism, which it is!
seansalvador1 2 months ago
@gentleglow
I feel sorry for you. You believe in a religion that has killed millions. That point their finger on gay people.Who believes in zombies. Who believes that all of the universe are made just so that we can go to church on sundays.
I actually think it is very scary that so called intelligent species can believe something like that.
sjatox 2 months ago
@sjatox
Atheism and its proponents has killed by far more than any religion. Should atheism be banned on these grounds?
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow "Atheism and its proponents has killed by far more than any religion"
This strange claim is not entirely unusual of you guys, but it is complete nonsense. Show me instances of millions dying in the name of a lack of belief in a deity please, i doubt you can find a single example.
seansalvador1 2 months ago
@seansalvador1 "Show me instances of millions dying in the name of a lack of belief in a deity please"
Millions??? I can show you instances of hundreds and event thousands who got killed simply because they refused to believe in a lack of belief in a deity. Russian history again.
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow "refused to believe in a lack of belief in a deity"
To lack a belief is not in and of itself a belief, that is absurd.
"hundreds and event thousands" Show me any examples of this, you cannot.
I asked you for millions, which religion has indeed been responsible for.
"Russian history again"
Stalin did not kill people because he didn't belief in god, he killed for many reasons... mainly his belief in a pseudoscience (Lysenkoism).
seansalvador1 2 months ago
@seansalvador1 Stalin and people before him killed people for many reasons. One of them is because they openly believe in God.
gentleglow 2 months ago
@gentleglow
But that was not due to his atheism. Of course it wasn't. How does one do something because of a lack of belief? He hated any authority other than his own.
seansalvador1 2 months ago
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@seansalvador1 "How does one dosomething because of a lack of belief?"
Because he wants others to have a lack of belief.
gentleglow 2 months ago
Who cares about english skills?
Religion is hoax and for people who are afraid of death and wish to believe in old stupid writings and who don't have a thirst for knowledge, they are happy that every qurstion can be answered with "it is the will of god" - keep your stupifying religion to yourselves.
sjatox 2 months ago
@sjatox Your thirst for knowledge should have told you that lots of scientist manage to balance religion and science. For example, Copernicus was a devoted Christian which didn't stop him from finding out new things about the universe.
gentleglow 2 months ago