Drugs equal a more fun sport to watch. What do I care about their health. First of all...why do millions watch cycling? It's fucking cycling! You see a guy whip by once a year at 40mph! Real fun to watch. I can see doing it. Money is the reason. You pay the tour winner 100 dollars and give him no commercials (sponsor money)...most drugs will be gone. 1970..no money in it...little need for an edge. (ok some) Like baseball...steroids makes shit athletes supermen. 2 home runs to 50? 100 million
LeMond did the right thing. The word is (and I don't know them personally, although I have exchanged a few messages with LeMond on facebook) is that LeMond and Landis are not feuding, and since Landis came out and admitted he doped, LeMond has been supportive.
Fignon a contemporary of Le Mond said amphetamine use was common in his day - he admitted taking it. But amphetamines could not ever make a good rider into a TDF winner. EPO could do that but that came later.
In my opinion Armstrong disrespected cycling because he concentrated only on le Tour and never bothered with the Vuelta or Giro. He will in my opition never be in the same league of a Coppi/Merckx/Indurain because of this.
I'm from Greg's era, he is the great American hero in my mind. Lance does not deserve any more respect than Greg. The number of wins does not change the fact that Greg has much more class and rode clean. Much more intelligent then Lance as well. Just my opinion.
I am a professional xc skier, and I know how tough it is to compete on back to back days, let alone for 10 straight days. What sport are you involved with? Armstrong, with all due respect to him and his battles with cancer, is hiding behind the mob known as the UCI. Google UCI and Lance Armstrong and the deals they've made over the years. Contador failed a dope test during the tour. Beltran, Heras, Nozal, Sevilla, Mosquera, Ullrich, Basso, Pantani, Riis, Zabel, Sinkewitz, Kessler, Valverde
@davd1986 Almost all the names you named have been convincted of using dope and you're just confirming what I already said. How about you come with facts and show exactly what he used and how much of it. You can't do that. Therefor by law he's still innocent. Saying he's guilty is by definition speculation. I know that's hard for a simple-minded xc skier (wtf is xc anyway, nobody has ever heard of it) like you.
@member5738 What I was saying is that there is no way in heck that a TDF winner is clean, not in the near future anyway. Not ever, perhaps. As I said earlier, Armstrong is well protected, he has enough money from his foundations and commercials, prize money and sponsorship, PLUS the help he already has gotten from UCI. So in that sense, the chances are good that he won't be caught or punished. Google UCI payments Lance Armstrong. You'll be surprised what you find. BTW, what sport do you play?
@davd1986 Donating 100k is as much as kissing a UCI representative's ass backstage. If that means that the UCI can use the money to improve whatever, I don't see the problem. You're assuming the UCI can't be objective after that. Yet, another speculation. You're quite the conspiracy theorist aren't you? I'm not gonna tell you what sport I do, I rather stay anomynous on the internet, for obvious reasons.
I know Greg LeMond personally. I raced and trained with him, and he was a very honorable man, then and now. For people who don't know anything about him, they should just give it a rest. He won his races fairly, and he had to overcome being shot, and various illnesses, in order to win the Tour De France. Sad that he has to endure these accusations, just because of cheaters and liars. I never used ANY illegal performance enhancers, and he never would either.
Greg Lemond ist my true hero and he stands for the real american strength. And Lance Armstrong is just a fucking liar. The UCI protected him and that is the fact. As a child, I saw Greg first in 1983 at the world championship in switzerland. Americans, show this hero the respect he earned.
Steroid abuse does three main things. #1: For endurance and strength atheletes, it help your recovery time after a maximum effort. #2: It helps to relieve pain, from injuries or tendonitis. #3: It ruins your liver, reproductive organs, and effectively shuts down the glands that produce hormones naturally. EPO was not a steroid, it was a chemical that balanced the hormone levels so that a test would not reveal unbalanced hormone levels in the test subject.
Greg LeMond's average speed in the time trial, 54.545 km/h, was the fastest in Tour de France stage history; since then, only the 1994 prologue has been faster.[1
On a boat anchor with aero bars? What proof does he have that he was clean? Many others were doping at this time. Testing was very easy to beat back then.
Clearly Greg could have been using performance enhancing substances.
As a former amatuer competetive cyclist, I cannot believe that anyone would risk years of training and hard work to arrive at the Tour De France by using drugs. Everyone knows that it's the one of most highly tested sports on the planet... why would someone risk it to be shamed out of the sport?
Marion Jones was tested 2 times more than Lance and never tested positive despite doping all her career long. Doping tests are a joke and easily defeated (see Festina, T-Mobile, Puerto, US Postal , Once,.. whicch ruled doping program without being caught)
In a poll 60% of olympic athletes were ready to take drugs if it was necessary to win gold medal, even if they would have to die 5 years later.
Armstrong had many, many tests before the last tour, all were clean. The details are around, but I can tell you he had 12 urine tests and 7 blood tests in less than 6 months from 08/08. Then they started testing more often...bunch of vampires taking the piss if you ask me.
And we have seen that his blood values were very strange during TDF with a clear drop of reticulocytes, and an increase of hematocrit, something very similar to blood doping or serious illness.
How could he have raced with a huge diarhhea or dehydration?
Funny that perfusion medical equipement found on last TDF have been linked to Astana team by French police now.
Reticulocytes were within normal levels according to the published test results, the hematocrit was also consistent with all his previous results and well within normal range and well below the max.allowed. Since the tests are usually done at the end of the day I can't see that there's any surprise that there are occasional signs of dehydration (norm.ranges). Perhaps you could show other published cyclists' data to compare? His crit is lower than mine; Am I'm doping? I think I should be told.
No, reticulocytes were limit in the range of UCI rules but are clearly showing blood manipulation, and it was tested by Pr. Morkebjerg, Belhague, Dine, Andersen and probably others.
Lance testing have been done by the morning, thanks to Lance to complain for it on twitter. But to have a jump of 3 on hematocrit, a serious dehydration is needed, so Lance would have finished the stage in very bas shape and would have been dropped on mountain stage like Ventoux.
There was no "jump of 3" on the Hcrit. (unless you're talking about a year n which the data is not published.) The largest jump is 2.4, or (if you average) 0.8% per day, nothing particularly out of the ordinary.
You can find the hematocrit measurement of a whole team in the book of Frederic Grappe named
"Cyclisme et optimisation de la performance"
see page 409, book available with google books.
The measure were made during 1999 TDF so don't be surprise by some increase of hematocrit linked to EPO use but the drop of hematocrit is difficult to miss.
Lance and Bruyneel also admitted that they only focused on the tour because that was what it would take to win it i dont understand why youd lie about that Merckx won 5 and 5 giro's and i think atleast 1 vuelta and loads of other really important races he also beat the hour record in an area where he hadnt acclimatized at the end of a season, the season wasnt even built around him doing the hour.
Armstrong simply amazing but Merckx definately the best ive got to agrree with meshwork
As for those who say Lance is being tested every day even twice a day you may want to have the THC level tested in your blood stream. The only time this year that I know of Lance being tested he disappeared for 20 minutes. Now I am not saying he disappeared to take some kind of masking agent but I have a tough time thinking he could be unaware that he was to remain in view of the testers from when they arrived. This like all the other Lance violations was forgotten.
Lance don't ignore that he has to stay with testers, as he said even if it's a lie "he is the most tested athlete", many of the testers have explained him that he had to stay on view of them. Even Bruyneel know it, and , he was there too.
20mn, time of a shower, is just enough to dilute blood with similar equipment found on last TDF.
The data shows he's clean, so as far as I'm concerned (oh, and the UCI for that matter) he's clean. As far as "showergate" goes, it's a straw-man; the tester didn't follow protocol, by all accounts he made no protest when the request to shower was made. Whilst we're talking about data, please tell me of other athletes who have undergone so many tests in such a short period of time. I'm all "ears" :)
the tester has no reason to make a protest it's the responsability of athlete to stay visible, that is his duty, check WADA code available on their website.
For the recent period Cancellara, Cavendish, Contador were more tested than Lance.
Lance was tested a lot at the beginning because he had no data recorded like other riders who were on biopassport for already 1 year. So they needed to collect a lot of data to draw Lance's baseline. Of course, despite knowing it Lance prefered to complain
Funny, I thought the DCO had the right to refuse a request to leave the control station. Of course, it's got to be established that it's a legitimate control, as well...
You mean that the stage winners and jersey wearers were tested more frequently? Choquant!
Why would he not complain? He's got virtually the whole Fr press claiming, without reliable evidence, that he's a cheat. Now how many UE cyclists have tested positive in recent years?
Cancellara, Contador like Armstrong are very higly suspected of doping. Cavendish less but...
I sent you a message with screen copy of the book.
When he came back Lance said that he accepted to be tested everywhere at every moment, so he has no reason to complain when he is not more often tested than others riders like him.
He spinned the showergate: they didn't have to call UCI to know that AFLD has the right to test him on french soil without UCI agrement, It was done to gain time.
That true. Lance's body could double as a pin cushion. It's been poked so many times. Test, surprised test, unannounced test, off season testing, etc. etc. Nothing was ever found.
yes it wasnt legitimate. read the book From Lance to Landis by David Walsh. He proves it was written after the failed test. Its also showed in a book called Bad Blood. EPO testable for years? 2004 was the first test. Pharmstrong had already won 5 topped up on the stuff. All 46 riders who raced with lance never failed a drug test. Many of these riders have since admitted to huge amounts of doping e.g. Andreu, Landis, Vaughters, Hamilton etc. Therefore, testing for EPO IS NOT WORKING
FOOL, IDIOT, and in capital letters!! ouch. Glad u brought up the cortisone. If u had any real knowledge of cycling u would have heard of course that the prescription wasnt legitimate. it was only written up after he failed the test. go look it up mister expert.yes he's riding on a new drug which cant be detected. its called EPO! do u even understand how it works? theres no alien chemicals in the body, it cant be detected.they can only measure hermaticrat levels
Sean, again you speculate. I myself could speculate that LeMond could have had 5 Tour wins behind him if he had not have had the hunting accident after 1986. I could also speculate that Armstrong did not have the competition that a number of other great champions have had - but again, all this would amount to subjective reasoning. As I said, let's go by the objective results, the records. There's no other way. Its empirical. Take care.
Sean, we can only go by records, which are objective results. One can speculate all one wants, which is subjective. The objective results are that Merckx won 5 T/DFs and 5 Giros. To say that Armstrong would have won the Giro or Vuelta is purely speculative, subjective. Clearly Merckx has the best record for tours overall as well as one day classics. Lance himself would agree that Merckx was the best overall road cyclist thus far, based simply on performance records - objective facts.
of course he didnt. you realise that you're the only person in the world who suspects him right? find 1 even insinuation that he cheated. cos it doesnt exist, everyone with a brain knows he was clean. His views are very anti-doping ones. Lance's are half-hearted and insincere
Ye're all a bunch of fools. lemonds a hero, he won the tour clean. lance is a poster boy for drugs drugs drugs. good luck to all you suckers who idolise him. he's a born doper and superb at covering his tracks (though he's failed 7 drug tests). thats his legacy, nothing more
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing about Lemond. I just wanted to remind you that Merckx thus far is the best cyclist of all time. Even Armstrong would agree with that. Armstrong is the best Tour de France rider of all time, thus far, but he's not ranked as high overall as Merckx and Hinault. I thought that you would have known that.
LeMond's problem is that he is pissed that he has been replaced as the Great America Tour Champion by Armstrong and he can't stand the fact that Armstrong's name, not his, is synonymous with American cycling.
I am/was a huge Greg Lemond fan. I taped every ABC sports weekend play of the 1989 TDF. I just think Greg now is out of the limelight, and someone else has taken the torch of American cycling and that is Lance. He ultimately attacked Lance at his press conference, and he just needs to let it go. There will always be doping, and who knows if HE did back in the day and got away with it. I do not know, and I think Greg just needs to stay out of it.
Did LeMond dope? Shit I dont know... What they had back in the 1980s for pro cycling was Ephedrin (seriously!!), Corticoids, then Human Growth Hormone from cadavers (for real!!) , testosterone and then amphetamines.
I think LeMond might have been able to win it without drugs in this time and era before EPO.
One thing I see though is hypocracy in the CYcling world. Svein Tuft right now claims he is clean and I dont agree. He is way to fast.
Yo mustardjunkie, for starters, I hate mustard!! And to add to that, LeMond and Lance are both two of the tougher guys the sport of cycling has ever had. LeMond overcame being shot in a hunting accident to win two more Tours after his first. And Lance overcame what a horrible case of cancer to achieve what he did. The sport is definitely dirty overall but I feel strongly that both of these guys have never cheated. The proof has never existed.
@drudger666 sorry he admitet that he himself took steroids, growth hormons etc.. But now, after his career, he is a real hero and fights against it. Go on Greg¨
@member5738 Do you honestly think a TDF winner of the past 20 years raced clean? Honestly? You have no idea what it takes to win a TDF. Those guys are hammering for three weeks with only two rest days and travel in between. The guys Armstrong beat 1999-2005 have either tested positive on one or more instances, have been implicated in a doping scandal or have retired due to doping allegations. Armstrong is well protected, the UCI won't let him fall off the cliff.
I'm sure I have a much better idea than you. I have done sports on a high level myself, training 6 days a week, atleast 5 hours a day. I've beat players who were using doping and I never used it. You're assuming that whoever beats another who is using, is by definition using himself. You think that counts as a fact. You're a moron...actually I'm being gentle by saying that.
@member5738 Bossoni, Villa, Astarloa, Fofonov, Duenas, Casper, Colom, Pfannberger, Bosisio, Astarloza, Gavazzi, Ballan, Santambrogio, Cunego, Li Fuyu, Serrano, Caucchioli, Axelsson, Rasmussen, De Bonis, Sentjens, Dapena, Costa, Valjavec, Pellizotti, Prado, etc. Do those names ring a bell? And that's not even the tip of the iceberg! It's not even close to the tip! Oh, and btw, calling someone a moron on youtube is about as lame as calling someone a moron on the street and running away.
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first armstrong now landis cmon lamond cant handle an american winner besides yourself let go of that ego i did respect u but now i dont know maybe u should go after the real dopers yourself or mercks he was caught but considered the greatest cyclist indurains close contacts
Until 1998 Festina scandal, nobody's paying attention to doping and it was a common knowledge that everybody's(specially the winners) doping something.
After that, testing got much tougher, specially to the rider wearing yellow jersey.
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I think Lemond needs to come out and tell the real truth instead of keeping his publice high horse image to sell more Lemond bikes. If he's going to go after others he should examine himself first. Riis did it, others have done it without hurting others. If everyone did what Riis did, the sport would come out of its shell on its own without force. If 600- a thousand riders came out, that coud do it. But it wont happen, because all they care about is themselves.
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99.9% of pros are on drugs now and it was like that during Lemonds time when blood transfusion was actually legal when he was a junior and U23. USA cycling even admits to administering blood doping and is currently being sued for injecting junior riders with steriods back in the 80's. One rider got cancer from most likely ilegal acts put on by USAC. The drug testers now are handing out the drugs, why are you people so stooooooooooooooopid?
Fukc Landis the roids rager that was a cheap shot trying to bully Lemond with the sexual abuse thing. Shows just what a desperate jerk Landis is. He can eat a big dick.
but as a teenager in this time, he did give so much motivation with my training after i did watch some tour de france live...loved the races in this time a lot..as well his opponent fignon
I think Landis doped. However, there are many other riders who did and are still. I spotted racing in 1990 due to the fact that riders that sucked a year before, where now super men and i could not bet them without doping. So I stopped racing. Anyway the past few tours, have sucked, mostly due to doping. I hope that soon this doping will stop, but i know it may not.
i agree..i mean look at cycling..these guys are human..look at robert millar "who rode with lemond in 1990" Ive heard he was found living as a woman..cyclist are people like anyone else, its fine line to expose your personal life vs trying to help abused victims..im 34 i started riding in 1986..i miss the old days..at this rate the tour is not going to be around much longer
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Lemond is a joke.....nothing he says should be credible....even in the testimony he talked about how he was molested...who cares it's not part of the trial quit trying to put urself back in the spot light and mess around with other people's lives....only thing he is trying to do is make it so he is the only american to have ever "officially" won the tour....he's a joke
The Landis camp tried to use it against him, so he had to tell the story about molestation. Also Armstrong was hanging out with that Italian doctor who admitted to giving EPO to riders. So Lemond again, showed his dislike for that. I don't get your point here.
I believe the molestation claim is part of the trial:
It relates to claims by Greg Lemond of the Landis camp perverting the course of justice via blackmail. Greg had to put the molestation story into its entire context for the Judge to appreciate as weighted evidence. It was the only commonsense thing to do on Lemond's part.
And as far as I'm concerned, Greg Lemond has bucket loads of commonsense. He also seems like a very fair and honest human being.
Don't change the subject with your grammatical red herring. What's wrong there gentleman mjones94? u runnin out of defenses for ya perverted slur of Lemond's right to defend himself (yes, one word for commonsense, just for you)...
LeMond isn't a dick, dude! He's a lot like Lance. He sticks up for his beliefs and he defends his character when he's being accused or attacked. I do wish he and Lance could end their feud and be co-leaders in the sport of cycling and stand together against those who cheat.
Yeah he is a dick. He has accused Lance of doping with no evidence. Hell Lance has been tested more than any other athlete. Now that Lance is getting back into cycling LeMond is trashing him again. Yeah he is a dick a big one.
I know about LeMond accusing him of that. But then again, who in the professional cycling world hasn't accused Lance of that? Or at least wondered? Having read all of Lance's books and seeing him in countless interviews, I just believe in my gut that he's always raced clean. He strikes me as a man of great integrity and morals. He knows that as the poster boy for cancer recovery, he has a lot to lose "if" he cheated. LeMond does need to give up the ghost - I agree.
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LeMond is an idiot and a media hog. I hope he wasn't sexually abused as a kid but if he was he shouldn't attempt to spread lies and filth in his wake.
Long live Greg Lemond..He'll go down as the greatest US cyclist of all time....nothing but results and a legacy to follow. Keep talking and exposing the cheaters. Long live Greg Lemond!!
I have great respect for Lemond, the "pionner" of american success in cycling. The fact that he's outspoken about doping & the problems facing this new Generation of riders--challenges those who want to take shorcuts in this sport. Bravery, courage, endurance, & passion is require to get back cycling the way it ways back in the 80's when he achieved the "American Dream" in France.
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Drugs equal a more fun sport to watch. What do I care about their health. First of all...why do millions watch cycling? It's fucking cycling! You see a guy whip by once a year at 40mph! Real fun to watch. I can see doing it. Money is the reason. You pay the tour winner 100 dollars and give him no commercials (sponsor money)...most drugs will be gone. 1970..no money in it...little need for an edge. (ok some) Like baseball...steroids makes shit athletes supermen. 2 home runs to 50? 100 million
sawink 5 months ago
LeMond did the right thing. The word is (and I don't know them personally, although I have exchanged a few messages with LeMond on facebook) is that LeMond and Landis are not feuding, and since Landis came out and admitted he doped, LeMond has been supportive.
yesroh 5 months ago
Fignon a contemporary of Le Mond said amphetamine use was common in his day - he admitted taking it. But amphetamines could not ever make a good rider into a TDF winner. EPO could do that but that came later.
auckland37 6 months ago
In my opinion Armstrong disrespected cycling because he concentrated only on le Tour and never bothered with the Vuelta or Giro. He will in my opition never be in the same league of a Coppi/Merckx/Indurain because of this.
fergiewergie 7 months ago
Greg LeMond is my hero, from switzerland. He was and is a true american hero. You can be proud of him. Lance is a fucking cheater.
EastCH 9 months ago 2
I'm from Greg's era, he is the great American hero in my mind. Lance does not deserve any more respect than Greg. The number of wins does not change the fact that Greg has much more class and rode clean. Much more intelligent then Lance as well. Just my opinion.
MacPro8CoreMan 10 months ago
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Greg Lemond is a pussy
stephensonian 1 year ago
Lance Armstrong is a doping cheating fuck. And to think I use to admire the fuckstick.
mrcardio9r 1 year ago
I am a professional xc skier, and I know how tough it is to compete on back to back days, let alone for 10 straight days. What sport are you involved with? Armstrong, with all due respect to him and his battles with cancer, is hiding behind the mob known as the UCI. Google UCI and Lance Armstrong and the deals they've made over the years. Contador failed a dope test during the tour. Beltran, Heras, Nozal, Sevilla, Mosquera, Ullrich, Basso, Pantani, Riis, Zabel, Sinkewitz, Kessler, Valverde
davd1986 1 year ago
@davd1986 Almost all the names you named have been convincted of using dope and you're just confirming what I already said. How about you come with facts and show exactly what he used and how much of it. You can't do that. Therefor by law he's still innocent. Saying he's guilty is by definition speculation. I know that's hard for a simple-minded xc skier (wtf is xc anyway, nobody has ever heard of it) like you.
member5738 1 year ago
@member5738 What I was saying is that there is no way in heck that a TDF winner is clean, not in the near future anyway. Not ever, perhaps. As I said earlier, Armstrong is well protected, he has enough money from his foundations and commercials, prize money and sponsorship, PLUS the help he already has gotten from UCI. So in that sense, the chances are good that he won't be caught or punished. Google UCI payments Lance Armstrong. You'll be surprised what you find. BTW, what sport do you play?
davd1986 1 year ago
@davd1986 Donating 100k is as much as kissing a UCI representative's ass backstage. If that means that the UCI can use the money to improve whatever, I don't see the problem. You're assuming the UCI can't be objective after that. Yet, another speculation. You're quite the conspiracy theorist aren't you? I'm not gonna tell you what sport I do, I rather stay anomynous on the internet, for obvious reasons.
member5738 1 year ago
I know Greg LeMond personally. I raced and trained with him, and he was a very honorable man, then and now. For people who don't know anything about him, they should just give it a rest. He won his races fairly, and he had to overcome being shot, and various illnesses, in order to win the Tour De France. Sad that he has to endure these accusations, just because of cheaters and liars. I never used ANY illegal performance enhancers, and he never would either.
arklat 1 year ago
@arklat and neither would lance.
quarvis 1 year ago
Greg Lemond ist my true hero and he stands for the real american strength. And Lance Armstrong is just a fucking liar. The UCI protected him and that is the fact. As a child, I saw Greg first in 1983 at the world championship in switzerland. Americans, show this hero the respect he earned.
EastCH 1 year ago
PUBLICITY PUBLICITY am i being too harsh ??
YuTubeOO 1 year ago
Floyd Landis should chop off his left leg and give it to Greg LeMond. Then Greg should be allowed to punch him in the face. We are even!!
quivalla 1 year ago
house of cards is coming down
csparksnc1 1 year ago
Steroid abuse does three main things. #1: For endurance and strength atheletes, it help your recovery time after a maximum effort. #2: It helps to relieve pain, from injuries or tendonitis. #3: It ruins your liver, reproductive organs, and effectively shuts down the glands that produce hormones naturally. EPO was not a steroid, it was a chemical that balanced the hormone levels so that a test would not reveal unbalanced hormone levels in the test subject.
arklat 1 year ago
Greg LeMond was a doper.
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
Greg Lemond doped, just with EPO.
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
Greg should be asked to prove that he did not dope in his three tours.
drewp66 2 years ago
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Greg LeMond's average speed in the time trial, 54.545 km/h, was the fastest in Tour de France stage history; since then, only the 1994 prologue has been faster.[1
On a boat anchor with aero bars? What proof does he have that he was clean? Many others were doping at this time. Testing was very easy to beat back then.
Clearly Greg could have been using performance enhancing substances.
drewp66 2 years ago
As a former amatuer competetive cyclist, I cannot believe that anyone would risk years of training and hard work to arrive at the Tour De France by using drugs. Everyone knows that it's the one of most highly tested sports on the planet... why would someone risk it to be shamed out of the sport?
sourdough51 2 years ago
@sourdough51
Marion Jones was tested 2 times more than Lance and never tested positive despite doping all her career long. Doping tests are a joke and easily defeated (see Festina, T-Mobile, Puerto, US Postal , Once,.. whicch ruled doping program without being caught)
In a poll 60% of olympic athletes were ready to take drugs if it was necessary to win gold medal, even if they would have to die 5 years later.
hellsadore 2 years ago
Armstrong had many, many tests before the last tour, all were clean. The details are around, but I can tell you he had 12 urine tests and 7 blood tests in less than 6 months from 08/08. Then they started testing more often...bunch of vampires taking the piss if you ask me.
ybanrab0 2 years ago
And we have seen that his blood values were very strange during TDF with a clear drop of reticulocytes, and an increase of hematocrit, something very similar to blood doping or serious illness.
How could he have raced with a huge diarhhea or dehydration?
Funny that perfusion medical equipement found on last TDF have been linked to Astana team by French police now.
hellsadore 2 years ago
Reticulocytes were within normal levels according to the published test results, the hematocrit was also consistent with all his previous results and well within normal range and well below the max.allowed. Since the tests are usually done at the end of the day I can't see that there's any surprise that there are occasional signs of dehydration (norm.ranges). Perhaps you could show other published cyclists' data to compare? His crit is lower than mine; Am I'm doping? I think I should be told.
ybanrab0 2 years ago
No, reticulocytes were limit in the range of UCI rules but are clearly showing blood manipulation, and it was tested by Pr. Morkebjerg, Belhague, Dine, Andersen and probably others.
Lance testing have been done by the morning, thanks to Lance to complain for it on twitter. But to have a jump of 3 on hematocrit, a serious dehydration is needed, so Lance would have finished the stage in very bas shape and would have been dropped on mountain stage like Ventoux.
hellsadore 2 years ago
There was no "jump of 3" on the Hcrit. (unless you're talking about a year n which the data is not published.) The largest jump is 2.4, or (if you average) 0.8% per day, nothing particularly out of the ordinary.
ybanrab0 2 years ago
You can find the hematocrit measurement of a whole team in the book of Frederic Grappe named
"Cyclisme et optimisation de la performance"
see page 409, book available with google books.
The measure were made during 1999 TDF so don't be surprise by some increase of hematocrit linked to EPO use but the drop of hematocrit is difficult to miss.
hellsadore 2 years ago
Sadly that page doesn't appear online.
ybanrab0 2 years ago
Lance and Bruyneel also admitted that they only focused on the tour because that was what it would take to win it i dont understand why youd lie about that Merckx won 5 and 5 giro's and i think atleast 1 vuelta and loads of other really important races he also beat the hour record in an area where he hadnt acclimatized at the end of a season, the season wasnt even built around him doing the hour.
Armstrong simply amazing but Merckx definately the best ive got to agrree with meshwork
cyclingalot 2 years ago
As for those who say Lance is being tested every day even twice a day you may want to have the THC level tested in your blood stream. The only time this year that I know of Lance being tested he disappeared for 20 minutes. Now I am not saying he disappeared to take some kind of masking agent but I have a tough time thinking he could be unaware that he was to remain in view of the testers from when they arrived. This like all the other Lance violations was forgotten.
trimarano 2 years ago
Lance don't ignore that he has to stay with testers, as he said even if it's a lie "he is the most tested athlete", many of the testers have explained him that he had to stay on view of them. Even Bruyneel know it, and , he was there too.
20mn, time of a shower, is just enough to dilute blood with similar equipment found on last TDF.
hellsadore 2 years ago
The data shows he's clean, so as far as I'm concerned (oh, and the UCI for that matter) he's clean. As far as "showergate" goes, it's a straw-man; the tester didn't follow protocol, by all accounts he made no protest when the request to shower was made. Whilst we're talking about data, please tell me of other athletes who have undergone so many tests in such a short period of time. I'm all "ears" :)
ybanrab0 2 years ago
the tester has no reason to make a protest it's the responsability of athlete to stay visible, that is his duty, check WADA code available on their website.
For the recent period Cancellara, Cavendish, Contador were more tested than Lance.
Lance was tested a lot at the beginning because he had no data recorded like other riders who were on biopassport for already 1 year. So they needed to collect a lot of data to draw Lance's baseline. Of course, despite knowing it Lance prefered to complain
hellsadore 2 years ago 4
Funny, I thought the DCO had the right to refuse a request to leave the control station. Of course, it's got to be established that it's a legitimate control, as well...
You mean that the stage winners and jersey wearers were tested more frequently? Choquant!
Why would he not complain? He's got virtually the whole Fr press claiming, without reliable evidence, that he's a cheat. Now how many UE cyclists have tested positive in recent years?
ybanrab0 2 years ago
Merry Christmas, by the way :)
ybanrab0 2 years ago
Cancellara, Contador like Armstrong are very higly suspected of doping. Cavendish less but...
I sent you a message with screen copy of the book.
When he came back Lance said that he accepted to be tested everywhere at every moment, so he has no reason to complain when he is not more often tested than others riders like him.
He spinned the showergate: they didn't have to call UCI to know that AFLD has the right to test him on french soil without UCI agrement, It was done to gain time.
hellsadore 2 years ago 3
Lemond is a joke. Gone downhill since Team Gan
RCWorks 2 years ago
Lemond is a joke, I just wish more people stopped being so ignorant and noticed it. He brings down any other american great cyclist since him.
jrg5683 2 years ago
LIFETIME BAN ON DRUG USERS.
lingopresley 2 years ago 2
That true. Lance's body could double as a pin cushion. It's been poked so many times. Test, surprised test, unannounced test, off season testing, etc. etc. Nothing was ever found.
4JayeP 2 years ago
yes it wasnt legitimate. read the book From Lance to Landis by David Walsh. He proves it was written after the failed test. Its also showed in a book called Bad Blood. EPO testable for years? 2004 was the first test. Pharmstrong had already won 5 topped up on the stuff. All 46 riders who raced with lance never failed a drug test. Many of these riders have since admitted to huge amounts of doping e.g. Andreu, Landis, Vaughters, Hamilton etc. Therefore, testing for EPO IS NOT WORKING
Zander11983 2 years ago 2
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LeMond is a fucking bitch. Waaaaaa
bfangman 2 years ago
FOOL, IDIOT, and in capital letters!! ouch. Glad u brought up the cortisone. If u had any real knowledge of cycling u would have heard of course that the prescription wasnt legitimate. it was only written up after he failed the test. go look it up mister expert.yes he's riding on a new drug which cant be detected. its called EPO! do u even understand how it works? theres no alien chemicals in the body, it cant be detected.they can only measure hermaticrat levels
Zander11983 2 years ago
Sean, again you speculate. I myself could speculate that LeMond could have had 5 Tour wins behind him if he had not have had the hunting accident after 1986. I could also speculate that Armstrong did not have the competition that a number of other great champions have had - but again, all this would amount to subjective reasoning. As I said, let's go by the objective results, the records. There's no other way. Its empirical. Take care.
Meshwork123 2 years ago
Sean, we can only go by records, which are objective results. One can speculate all one wants, which is subjective. The objective results are that Merckx won 5 T/DFs and 5 Giros. To say that Armstrong would have won the Giro or Vuelta is purely speculative, subjective. Clearly Merckx has the best record for tours overall as well as one day classics. Lance himself would agree that Merckx was the best overall road cyclist thus far, based simply on performance records - objective facts.
Meshwork123 2 years ago
of course he didnt. you realise that you're the only person in the world who suspects him right? find 1 even insinuation that he cheated. cos it doesnt exist, everyone with a brain knows he was clean. His views are very anti-doping ones. Lance's are half-hearted and insincere
Zander11983 2 years ago
Ye're all a bunch of fools. lemonds a hero, he won the tour clean. lance is a poster boy for drugs drugs drugs. good luck to all you suckers who idolise him. he's a born doper and superb at covering his tracks (though he's failed 7 drug tests). thats his legacy, nothing more
Zander11983 2 years ago
So you asked Lemond if he ever used dope, and he said 'no'.
Aah, ok. Than I agree with you. Lemond never used dope!
Come on dude, open your eyes. Lemonds era was full of dope.
Ajax110 2 years ago
G'day Sean
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing about Lemond. I just wanted to remind you that Merckx thus far is the best cyclist of all time. Even Armstrong would agree with that. Armstrong is the best Tour de France rider of all time, thus far, but he's not ranked as high overall as Merckx and Hinault. I thought that you would have known that.
Meshwork123 2 years ago
exactly hes an absolute tosser
cyclingalot 2 years ago
LeMond's problem is that he is pissed that he has been replaced as the Great America Tour Champion by Armstrong and he can't stand the fact that Armstrong's name, not his, is synonymous with American cycling.
saq428 2 years ago
soooo truu
cyclingalot 2 years ago
I am/was a huge Greg Lemond fan. I taped every ABC sports weekend play of the 1989 TDF. I just think Greg now is out of the limelight, and someone else has taken the torch of American cycling and that is Lance. He ultimately attacked Lance at his press conference, and he just needs to let it go. There will always be doping, and who knows if HE did back in the day and got away with it. I do not know, and I think Greg just needs to stay out of it.
cal2arms 2 years ago
Jeeze greg should just mind his own business. You don't see Merkx up in everyones business.
dahgutone 2 years ago
Get real. LeMond has had to put up with all kinds of shit for speaking truth to power. He's a great champion and, what do you know, a clean one.
outofthebag 2 years ago 5
@outofthebag
Greg LeMond was a doper.
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
Did LeMond dope? Shit I dont know... What they had back in the 1980s for pro cycling was Ephedrin (seriously!!), Corticoids, then Human Growth Hormone from cadavers (for real!!) , testosterone and then amphetamines.
I think LeMond might have been able to win it without drugs in this time and era before EPO.
One thing I see though is hypocracy in the CYcling world. Svein Tuft right now claims he is clean and I dont agree. He is way to fast.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
I LOVE mustard from time to time. The hot spicy chinese stuff is the best.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Greg LeMond, Lance Armostrong, and, as a Brit myself, Chris Boardman - these are my cycling role models, guys.
gmfmusic85 3 years ago
What terrible comments. You people should feel dirty, not the ones in the video.
TruthDigger35 3 years ago
Fuck LeMond. What a little bitch.
SavaryGuy 3 years ago
Lemond is angry because he missed using EPO in 1991, when the rest of the pack was on it.
Lemond has more talent in his pinky finger than Armstrong has in his whole body.
Lance responds well to drugs, and so was able to win so many tours with the guidance of the best doping doctor-Ferrari.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago 4
Yo mustardjunkie, for starters, I hate mustard!! And to add to that, LeMond and Lance are both two of the tougher guys the sport of cycling has ever had. LeMond overcame being shot in a hunting accident to win two more Tours after his first. And Lance overcame what a horrible case of cancer to achieve what he did. The sport is definitely dirty overall but I feel strongly that both of these guys have never cheated. The proof has never existed.
sky51778 3 years ago
The only drug free American winner of the Tour.
drudger666 3 years ago 33
@drudger666 sorry he admitet that he himself took steroids, growth hormons etc.. But now, after his career, he is a real hero and fights against it. Go on Greg¨
74Drosera 1 year ago
@drudger666
Armstrong has never been tested positve by the UCI. Anybody who says this is true, is full of shit.
member5738 1 year ago
@member5738 Do you honestly think a TDF winner of the past 20 years raced clean? Honestly? You have no idea what it takes to win a TDF. Those guys are hammering for three weeks with only two rest days and travel in between. The guys Armstrong beat 1999-2005 have either tested positive on one or more instances, have been implicated in a doping scandal or have retired due to doping allegations. Armstrong is well protected, the UCI won't let him fall off the cliff.
davd1986 1 year ago
@davd1986
I'm sure I have a much better idea than you. I have done sports on a high level myself, training 6 days a week, atleast 5 hours a day. I've beat players who were using doping and I never used it. You're assuming that whoever beats another who is using, is by definition using himself. You think that counts as a fact. You're a moron...actually I'm being gentle by saying that.
member5738 1 year ago
@member5738 Boonen, Virenque, Landis, Musseuw, Mancebo, Bernucci, Mazzoleni, Ricco, Simoni, Abdujaparov, Millar, Manzano, Galdeano, Rumsas, Vandenbrucke, Garzelli, Sosenka, Herve, Hruska, Berzin, Roux, Andreau, Dierckxens, Leipheimer, Moreau, Simeoni, Hamburger, Jimenez, Camenzid, Di Luca, Hamilton, O'Bee, Capelle, Frigo, Guidi, Hondo, Landaluze, Jacksche, the Osa brothers, Scarponi, Dekker, Mayo, Vinokurov, Pena, Kaschechkin, Moreni, Honchar, O'Neil, Piepoli, Petacchi, Kohl, Sella, Schumacher
davd1986 1 year ago
@member5738 Bossoni, Villa, Astarloa, Fofonov, Duenas, Casper, Colom, Pfannberger, Bosisio, Astarloza, Gavazzi, Ballan, Santambrogio, Cunego, Li Fuyu, Serrano, Caucchioli, Axelsson, Rasmussen, De Bonis, Sentjens, Dapena, Costa, Valjavec, Pellizotti, Prado, etc. Do those names ring a bell? And that's not even the tip of the iceberg! It's not even close to the tip! Oh, and btw, calling someone a moron on youtube is about as lame as calling someone a moron on the street and running away.
davd1986 1 year ago
@drudger666 well said
slashgalvin 1 year ago
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first armstrong now landis cmon lamond cant handle an american winner besides yourself let go of that ego i did respect u but now i dont know maybe u should go after the real dopers yourself or mercks he was caught but considered the greatest cyclist indurains close contacts
slybonestone 3 years ago
I know Landis doped but Mercks too?
I'm sick of ppl doping!
JamesGT1 3 years ago
James GT1:
Until 1998 Festina scandal, nobody's paying attention to doping and it was a common knowledge that everybody's(specially the winners) doping something.
After that, testing got much tougher, specially to the rider wearing yellow jersey.
allgoo19 3 years ago
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I think Lemond needs to come out and tell the real truth instead of keeping his publice high horse image to sell more Lemond bikes. If he's going to go after others he should examine himself first. Riis did it, others have done it without hurting others. If everyone did what Riis did, the sport would come out of its shell on its own without force. If 600- a thousand riders came out, that coud do it. But it wont happen, because all they care about is themselves.
largefallingicicles 3 years ago
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i sold my lemond tourmalet cause i got tired of riding that label. hes kinda a know it all and douchey, ive given up on him. sorry lemond.
angelicupstartt 3 years ago
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99.9% of pros are on drugs now and it was like that during Lemonds time when blood transfusion was actually legal when he was a junior and U23. USA cycling even admits to administering blood doping and is currently being sued for injecting junior riders with steriods back in the 80's. One rider got cancer from most likely ilegal acts put on by USAC. The drug testers now are handing out the drugs, why are you people so stooooooooooooooopid?
largefallingicicles 3 years ago
crap
alexvino99 3 years ago
people are so ignorant to make fun of anyone who has been sexually abused, just shows the true character of these dopers, and their team behind them.
simonelucialulu 3 years ago 22
Fukc Landis the roids rager that was a cheap shot trying to bully Lemond with the sexual abuse thing. Shows just what a desperate jerk Landis is. He can eat a big dick.
BPMSmith 3 years ago 8
LOL!
JamesGT1 3 years ago
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Lemond was more jacked than Landis or Armstrong, I mean the 80's common!! THe roids fucked up his head and made him crazy...
largefallingicicles 3 years ago
but as a teenager in this time, he did give so much motivation with my training after i did watch some tour de france live...loved the races in this time a lot..as well his opponent fignon
moxin99 3 years ago
he is the man!
a real Tour Winner!!!!
skatefranz 3 years ago 7
I think Landis doped. However, there are many other riders who did and are still. I spotted racing in 1990 due to the fact that riders that sucked a year before, where now super men and i could not bet them without doping. So I stopped racing. Anyway the past few tours, have sucked, mostly due to doping. I hope that soon this doping will stop, but i know it may not.
sunsnowwarm 4 years ago
I met greg this past summer, the guy is the COCK !!!
Ravanisingh 4 years ago
hahahahah i have to start calling people 'the cock' instead of 'a cock'. oh man english is probably not your first language, thats hilarious.
S3I8OO8 4 years ago
What did he do to you?
JamesGT1 3 years ago
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Lance needs to make a comeback and save the Tour!
datboysha40 4 years ago
Lance is a cheater and he tries to hide that with an agressive posture.
euije 4 years ago 6
Well they missed this cheater 7 years in a row straight.
datboysha40 4 years ago 3
Good point. Hey did you know that EPO is used in treating some cancers. Well it is, just an FYI.
sunsnowwarm 4 years ago 2
I agree, the last two TdF's SUCKED!
datboysha40 4 years ago 5
lord!
i agree..i mean look at cycling..these guys are human..look at robert millar "who rode with lemond in 1990" Ive heard he was found living as a woman..cyclist are people like anyone else, its fine line to expose your personal life vs trying to help abused victims..im 34 i started riding in 1986..i miss the old days..at this rate the tour is not going to be around much longer
sprintbass 4 years ago 2
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Lemond is a joke.....nothing he says should be credible....even in the testimony he talked about how he was molested...who cares it's not part of the trial quit trying to put urself back in the spot light and mess around with other people's lives....only thing he is trying to do is make it so he is the only american to have ever "officially" won the tour....he's a joke
mjones94 4 years ago
You dont know anything i see Just another speaking with out knowing.
adam1234a 4 years ago
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haha tell me adam what do you know then........loser
mjones94 4 years ago
The Landis camp tried to use it against him, so he had to tell the story about molestation. Also Armstrong was hanging out with that Italian doctor who admitted to giving EPO to riders. So Lemond again, showed his dislike for that. I don't get your point here.
starbucks3954 4 years ago 6
I believe the molestation claim is part of the trial:
It relates to claims by Greg Lemond of the Landis camp perverting the course of justice via blackmail. Greg had to put the molestation story into its entire context for the Judge to appreciate as weighted evidence. It was the only commonsense thing to do on Lemond's part.
And as far as I'm concerned, Greg Lemond has bucket loads of commonsense. He also seems like a very fair and honest human being.
OnTheLibraryComputer 4 years ago 7
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as far as i'm concerned ur opinion doesn't matter when you think common sense is one word
mjones94 4 years ago
Don't change the subject with your grammatical red herring. What's wrong there gentleman mjones94? u runnin out of defenses for ya perverted slur of Lemond's right to defend himself (yes, one word for commonsense, just for you)...
OnTheLibraryComputer 4 years ago 3
Lance is a doper.
sunvoltage 4 years ago 5
Good point.
sunsnowwarm 4 years ago
Well they have his blodd & urine samples frozen-only time will tell.
I hope he is clean.
JamesGT1 3 years ago
Greg Lemond is a dick
hitoallandme 3 years ago
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agreed.
joecool1226 3 years ago
LeMond isn't a dick, dude! He's a lot like Lance. He sticks up for his beliefs and he defends his character when he's being accused or attacked. I do wish he and Lance could end their feud and be co-leaders in the sport of cycling and stand together against those who cheat.
sky51778 3 years ago
Yeah he is a dick. He has accused Lance of doping with no evidence. Hell Lance has been tested more than any other athlete. Now that Lance is getting back into cycling LeMond is trashing him again. Yeah he is a dick a big one.
hitoallandme 3 years ago
I know about LeMond accusing him of that. But then again, who in the professional cycling world hasn't accused Lance of that? Or at least wondered? Having read all of Lance's books and seeing him in countless interviews, I just believe in my gut that he's always raced clean. He strikes me as a man of great integrity and morals. He knows that as the poster boy for cancer recovery, he has a lot to lose "if" he cheated. LeMond does need to give up the ghost - I agree.
sky51778 3 years ago
Also the focus of this video is on Floyd Landis' doping case. It's not about Lance in any way.
sky51778 3 years ago
I agree Floyd landis is a disgrace to cycling for what he did.
hitoallandme 3 years ago
I know about LeMond accusing him of that. But then again, who in the professional cycling world hasn't accused Lance of that?
And that makes all those people and LeMond a bunch of jerks.
hitoallandme 3 years ago
you idiot!landis side admited that they indeed tryied to blackmail lemond with this so shut up cuz your to idiot to talk.
euije 4 years ago 2
Lemond has my respect he has been right on, right on. He's the one with the guts
SkyJamMusicVideos 4 years ago 9
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LeMond is an idiot and a media hog. I hope he wasn't sexually abused as a kid but if he was he shouldn't attempt to spread lies and filth in his wake.
mizzouboy 4 years ago
Greg Lemond vindicated once again. When I upgrade from my 2000 Lemond Zurich to a new bike I think I'll seek out a new Lemond Carbon bike.
EilertPilarmDM 4 years ago 4
Long live Greg Lemond..He'll go down as the greatest US cyclist of all time....nothing but results and a legacy to follow. Keep talking and exposing the cheaters. Long live Greg Lemond!!
dewsnupd 4 years ago 9
Good on you Greg - you had the guts to show what a spineless joke Landis really is!!
carrigov 4 years ago 7
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i think this shows that lemond will do anything to get his face back on T V
motobecaneguy 4 years ago
Landis is a motherfucker nobody knows anymore already one year after his "victory"...Lemond is a legend.
laviolette2 4 years ago
I have great respect for Lemond, the "pionner" of american success in cycling. The fact that he's outspoken about doping & the problems facing this new Generation of riders--challenges those who want to take shorcuts in this sport. Bravery, courage, endurance, & passion is require to get back cycling the way it ways back in the 80's when he achieved the "American Dream" in France.
hfer 4 years ago 3
Landis is pathetic, like so many at the top
SkyJamMusicVideos 4 years ago
Don't you know who I am! Don't you know who I am!
audible67 4 years ago
Greg LeMond is the only true American hero of cycling.
erxn44 4 years ago
Yep. He cool.
sunsnowwarm 4 years ago
God damm you Landis
Landis: "The Thief from Paris"
Burn in hell cheater!!
TourofUtah 4 years ago 3