Lex Luger vs Bruiser Brody 86 CWF (Infamas Brody no sell match)

[rburton34]

Does anyone know why Brody didnt sell, other than the fact that Luger is a stupid ass??

[fmthebaron]

Very unprofessional of Brody to act like this. The crowd paid good money for a good show and he was acting like a bitch in that ring. If he has a problem with Luger he should've taken care of it backstage not in front of the crowd that you supposed to give a good show to.

[SUNDOGG97]

I read accounts of this, but also a long time Brody Fan, he was like this, his matches could be pretty strange, It is a form of intimidation  I just think he did not like pretty boy Luger.

Was getting ready to mess him up.

[lordcrumb07]

What DVD is this ripped from?

[AdamSandman]

Wow best quality I have seen of this match! Which DVD did you find this on?

[thehellezell]

The version of the backstory I'd heard was that Luger was moving to JCP (a bigger promotion) but refused to put Brody over, it wasn't about Luger doing a no-sell in this match. Source for this is Howard Brody's (no relation to Bruiser) book "Swimming with Pirahnas: Surviving the Politics of Professional Wrestling." Thanks for posting.

[LarsWS]

I guess Luger learned that you look like shit unless your opponent sells for you.

[Bystander81]

Whatever goes on in the back, you don't bring it out front. This is a horrible display by Brody and highly unprofessional. The paying fans are first and foremost, they paid for a match, get out there and give them a match. Keep them happy and whatever problems you have in the back, that will give you a much better bargaining chip towards getting them solved.

[switchbuckle5th]

@Bystander81 This isn't the first or the last time this has happened in wrestling. Especially back in that era. People no-selling and being "shooted" on in the ring was pretty common. It's just that it didn't often happen on tv.

[beefmong]

You can clearly see Luger ask Bill Alfonso "what's he doing?" when Brody stops selling for him. It was also really fun to watch Brody take Luger to school with the single leg takedown and the front facelocks, as it was pretty clear to everyone that Luger didn't have a clue on how to actually wrestle

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Luger didnt have a clue?

He said himself, he was stuck in a cage with a legit crazy man that wouldnt work with him, you'd be scared too

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob Yeah, but tbh I wouldnt be dumb enough in that era to go around with an inflated ego thinking I was better than everyone else, especially knowing I was gonna go into a steel cage with a guy notorious for not doing what he's told when he doesnt like a situation

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong and you have knowledge that Luger did that? Every shoot I've seen has said Lex was a nice guy.

Even Lex himself said Bruiser had no problem with him and everything was cool, he was just fucking insane

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob Luger was built up as a major star, and he was used to having things his own way. Bill Alfonso said this himself in his shoot interview about the incident. Whilst he said that yes, Bruiser had no problem with Lex, unfortunately for Luger he wanted to do the match on his own terms in spite of both Brody and Bill telling him to do what he was told. Luger didnt listen and tried to take over the match, so Bruiser just stopped trying.

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong That's bullshit

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob watch?v=caD5KR1Q5qU watch the shoot and then tell me its bullshit

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Did, it's bullshit. Lex was known as being one of the nicest guys in the locker room. The only criticism people have about him is he's a terrible worker which Lex will attest to himself

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob What does being nice have to do with it? He was the rook, who didnt have a clue on what he was doing but was being built as a major star for his looks, and he thought he could go and tell Brody what to do in the ring, so Brody took him to school for it. Being nice doesnt give him the right to go and tell a veteran how to do his job, especially a vet known for being difficult when he didnt like the situation he was in

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong How did Luger tell Brody how to do his job?

Brody was well known for being an uncooperative jackass that rarely worked clean with anyone.

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob You watched the shoot correct? You heard Fonzie say that Brody and he were gonna help Luger through the match since Brody didnt wanna talk before hand right? And you heard how Brody took control of Luger to start, to get heat on himself (so that when the time was right for Luger to make his comeback he'd look good). Luger panicked cuz he was used to being a superhero good guy and tried to make his comeback by himself, so Brody took him to school for it, but not badly

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong So I guess Bill Alfonso outtruimphs the 5+ people saying Luger is a nice guy?

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob What does being nice have to do with it??

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong *sigh*, it's clear you're just a smark refusing to admit you're wrong.

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob whereas you're arguing that because Luger was nice he didnt deserve to be taken to school for not listening to both a veteran and a referee

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Which you have no proof of other than Bill Alfonso, when multiple veterans have vouched for Luger

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob Bill Alfonso was the referee!

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong and that suddenly makes him a reliable source?

Nevermind the fact that refs aren't told whats going on in a match only the finish.

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob it makes him more reliable than anyone else, other than Brody, who sadly cant tell us what happened. Bill was there, in the match, and he told Lex to listen to Brody when Lex started panicking. Its Lex's own damned fault he didnt listen to Bill and tried to do things his way. If you dont want to believe what you've heard with your own ears then thats cool, but dont start telling me that im a "smark" just because I believe the ref over a bunch of guys who werent involved

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Listen to Brody? Brody wasn't fucking talking. Lex didnt listen to Bill about what? Lex did nothing to Brody, Brody was an uncooperative insane man.

You're nothing more than a sheep Luger hater, continue being ignorant

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob Haha Im the ignorant one? So did you not see Brody selling for Luger til about 4 minutes in? Did you not see Luger knock Brody down? (Which believe me was a rare thing for Brody's opponents to do back then). Luger didnt listen to Brody and tried his comeback too soon. He tried to be a big shot too early and paid for it. Call me what you wish, but thats what happened, and Brody wasnt the only man in those days to have problems with Luger as a rookie, Bad News Allen did too

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong More wrestlers had problems with Brody than had problems with Luger

Gee wonder why

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob This is true, yet more guys had great feuds and respect for and from Brody than Luger ever did: Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Abdullah the Butcher, Terry Funk, Stan Hansen, Jimmy Snuka, The Freebirds, the Von Erichs... Luger was feuding with Brody at this point before leaving for JCP, so this was not their first match, it was their last. Guess Brody felt he didnt need to take any more of Luger's "holier-than-thou" attitude

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong *sigh* another fat smark that ignores facts

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob you're ignoring both fact and wrestling logic. If Brody hasnt got any real heat on Luger, then Luger's comeback wont be effective. Luger panicked when Brody was getting his heat and rushed his comeback, and be it a problem he had with Luger or with the office Brody had enough of trying and stopped co-operating. Im tired of trying to explain this to you though, so continue believing that because Luger was nice he didnt deserve to be taken to school

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong It's a fucking cage match, Cage matches aren't set up like standard matches. Luger didn't rush shit. Brody stopped trying you know why?

Because he's batshit insane. Luger was taken to school? The only one that looked like shit here was Brody for being an asshole.

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob How much do you know about wrestling? For that matter, how much do you know about Frank Goodish? Outside of the ring Brody was a very intelligent and even classy man. Inside yeah he was insane, but that was his character. As for a cage match not being like a standard match thats horseshit, all matches follow a similar skeleton: Good guy starts strong, bad guy takes over for a lengthy period to get heat, good guy makes a comeback and looks great when he wins.

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Brody was an intelligent, classy man? Are we talking about the same Brody? Outside the ring Brody was just as crazy as he was inside. And no that wasn't his character, Brody was legit insane and many people can attest to that.

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob Oh you are kidding. You are joking right? You really are an idiot. There are vids all over YouTube and the rest of the internet showing wrestlers putting Brody over as a good businessman, a helluva entertainer and a good man, if a giant pain in the ass at times. One of them was an interview he did talking about the business, and he's unbelievably well spoken and clued in. I'd send you the link, but clearly you think anything that shows Brody in a good light is bullshit

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Yeah and the ton of other shoots saying how he was batshit insane outside the ring are bullshit I guess

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob Where are these shoots? The ones saying Luger was so nice backstage and that Brody was insane? Have you got any links?

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Who said they were in the same shoot?

Also where are these shoots of Lex being an asshole and Brody this nice upstanding guy?

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob watch?v=-5SWBCr3AQ8 Jim Duggan talking about Bruiser helping him out in his early career and helping young guys in general. Granted theres a bit in there about Brody being difficult because of a promoter, which may have also been a factor here too.

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong and go watch the Jim Cornette shoot where he says Lex was always a nice guy, easy and fun to work with

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob Im not denying that, not once have I said that Luger was not a nice guy. As for easy and fun to work with, yeah, maybe he was, but on this night, because he was green, he tried to change the way the match was going and Brody, be it through a problem with Luger or a problem with the promoter, didnt like it and stopped working with him. That's all I've said, and from a personal standpoint I enjoyed watching Brody take him to school for it. That's all I've said from the off

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Luger was in the business 1 year when the problem with Brody happened.

He also wasnt heavily pushed during that year. So where is this ego you're claiming Luger had coming from? You just said he was nice because he was green, which already proved me right.

Keep ignoring the facts

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob What facts am I ignoring? I have provided facts, all you have provided is opinion. At this time he was being touted as the next Hulk Hogan because of his look and physique (which is where the ego came from) and Luger was being placed in matches where he was basically squashing his opponents. He was put in this feud with Brody to learn, basically, and he was, but somewhere a problem occured, be it with the promoter or with him, and Brody lost interest

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Alright it's clear you're just another fat smark that cant accept reality

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob Haha dude, you really should learn your stuff before you go shouting off about a wrestler and an incident and then go hiding behind the term "smark" when you're losing

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Losing,? I provided valid arguments and evidence, what did you provide?

It's clear from your profile pic, you are indeed a fat smark

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob haha evidence? what, quoting supposed shoots? i actually gave you links, i showed you vids, if you didnt watch them then thats too bad for you, but to say you provided valid arguments is a farce. And your insults are both petty and pointless, as is your whole argument, so do yourself a favour and stop embarrassing yourself on a worldwide site

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong Showed me videos, Are you fucking delusional?

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob go back and read the comments asswipe, copy and paste the links into your YouTube browser and hey presto! videos appear! just like magic. you have provided me with nothing but babble over the last...two days? Damn, you wasted this much of my time and i cant get that back. provide something useful, or stop wasting my time, cuz this is getting boring

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong You said videos

U linked 1 video bro

[beefmong]

@Sneezlebob Ok, I linked you the Bill Alfonso interview yesterday and I linked you the Jim Duggan one today. Thats 2

[Sneezlebob]

@beefmong And I linked you 2

You know what, I'm done talking to you, I'll just let the rest of the viewers on this video laugh at your ignorance

[oldschool6804]

@Sneezlebob larry matisk even said in his book about brody that brody didn't like luger and matisyk was one of brodys best friends

[T74G]

at least it was'nt as bad as the Hercules "no sell" on Sid....wow....that was the epitome of lame!!!

this was'nt nearly as bad....

[switchbuckle5th]

@T74G Hercules's now sell was Herc basically saying "fuck you" to the WWF because he knew he was done after that night.

[T74G]

@switchbuckle5th

tru!!

[Mattmannish]

@switchbuckle5th Um...WHAT?

[switchbuckle5th]

@Mattmannish What exactly are you whating?

[sparti8]

@switchbuckle5th what are you talking about son learn your history before you debate

[switchbuckle5th]

@sparti8 um...congratulations, you've made no sense. I'm not debating anything, and have yet to do so.

[ShallahJupiter7XL]

thanks for the upload-really good to see high quality footage of this match.

[SeanMBryans]

I had heard he was upset with the promoter and the money he was being paid - But who knows since it seems everybody has a different view of what happen - One key player has stated his views and the other is no longer with us. I did go to a Brody match once where he just sat in the corner and did nothing until a DQ. Brody was infamous for doing that and basically screwing the PAYING fans. Those people paying for, what was on that night, an attestment to his unprofessionalism and bloated ego.

[coburnjs]

Bruiser Brody a.k.a King Kong Brody is a legend. He was a measuring stick and a lightning rod. He had some monumental matches all over the world. Everybody's entitled to an off day at the office every now and then. There were no contracts back then or huge money so he couldn't afford time off ala Undertaker, Big Show, and Kane of today. Cut the guy some slack. Obviously he didn't always go with mainstream but that would make him hugely popular today.

[ArtDecca]

According to the book "BRODY" by Larry Matysik....Brody was upset that Luger was RUSHING his "comeback" and not selling enough for him. Therefore no "Heat" was built up for Luger's REAL big comeback against the monster Brody. That's why Brody refused to sell for Luger because in the logical way a wrestling match works, Luger WASN'T selling for him!

[MainEventMafia4Life]

@ArtDecca - That could be very true. There's obvious evidence of that watching this match. Though I don't know why Brody didn't say this to Luger after the match when Luger approached him about it. Luger had no reason to lie about the discussion he had with him about the match. He didn't claim him and Brody were best friends that got a beer after the incident or whatever. Strange. But your answer goes hand and hand with mine in a way I guess.

[ArtDecca]

@MainEventMafia4Life- We both are right. Luger was young and believing the hype placed on him in the magazines that he thought Brody should sell for him and make him the monster face. Pro Wrestling 101 states: "the face should ALWAYS sell for the heel early in the match so as to set up the appearance of a more monsterous opponent. The victory will then be more meaningful when the face defeats the new unbeatable monster"

[JonathanVonErich]

@ArtDecca Thanks for sharing. Poor Lex lol

[saveus228]

@ArtDecca

half the first part of the match, Luger is on the canvas. Luger was selling big time. look at the footage.

[spoodyface]

Brody was coked up that match

[spoodyface]

Flair and Brody had classic matches in 83.

[SDGwrestling]

ooooooofffffffffffffff!!!!

[SeanMBryans]

I saw brody when he was with WCCW and he stunk the place up - He was taking on Kerry and wouldn't even try to make it entertaining. And that was their main event. The promotion gave us free tickets to their next show. No Brody. Thank goodness. He was the untimate nonprofessional. I later saw him in Chicago, where he was there but refused to go to the ring. I am sorry he died so violently. But as a wrestler he was worthless.

[samsdaddy0525]

@SeanMBryans I respectfully disagree. Brody was hardcore before the term became popular. He is still considered one of the greatest American wrestlers in Japan.

Brody worked in an era where promoters would screw wrestlers over when it came to money and Brody just refused to deal with it. 

[gonzomoya420]

@SeanMBryans THe more I read about Brody the more I think that he was just an asshole who wanted to protect his image and had a problem with jobbing. I didnt know the man and I doubt anyone here did either. But after reading what you wrote about his match with Kerry and listening to these fans here in his match with Lex. Listen to the fans! Theyre not saying "Oh wow cool he no sold!" they're yelling: "BORRING" pro wrestlers are supposed to put on shows for the fans not for their egos.

[shoprite118]

WOW..ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT WAS IN BRODY'S MIND AT THAT TIME...ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW?..

[MainEventMafia4Life]

@shoprite118 - In Luger's shoot interview he claimed Brody had no personal problem with him when he spoke to him about the match afterwards. It was just a case where Brody went to the ring and didn't feel like working. Brody was notorious for not working and being difficult when it came to some finishes in matches if he didn't agree with it. He was a main eventer all over the world though so he could afford to be stubborn at times because there was always work for him somewhere else.

[whiteman70]

outstanding quality video

[whiteman70]

Lex Luger is a fucking lying hypocrite.Brody would squash him in a heartbeat

[SeanMBryans]

@whiteman70 I doubt that. He couldn't even fight off an old timer in PR

[sparti8]

@SeanMBryans umm he got stabbed from behind