in response to: " I'm very happy with my 3 husbands, I always have something to do. Lol.
You are such a kidder!
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in response to: " I'm very happy with my 3 husbands, I always have something to do. Lol.
You are such a kidder!
But Fortune Cookie Say: "lucky woman have #1 man in kitchen, #2 man pick up sock, #3 man clean window, vacuum rug, defrost fridge, take out trash, mow lawn and do GREAAAAAT SEX!"
in response to: " I'm very happy with my 3 husbands, I always have something to do. Lol.
You are such a kidder!
But Good Fortune Cookie Say: "lucky woman have #1 man in kitchen, #2 man pick up sock, #3 man clean window, vacuum rug, defrost fridge, take out trash, mow lawn and do GREAAAAAT SEX!" (and if such…Semper fi! )
When God put Adam to sleep, He took one rib from Adam not two, and when Adam saw Eve he said, bone of my bone flesh of my flesh. Adam looked in the future and said, Man will leave mother and father and Cleave to your wife. Not Two, one wife. The O/T said, that it would cause confusion. Polygamy is sin in the eyes of God. But in the eyes of man it is selfhishness. and greed, Lust. It's not the will of God. I believe that it is a waste of the other womens time and life if she would have stayed.
This is what I mean things like this happened in the O/T. Where one wife had childern because she was hated, and the other didn't. God even said, dont treat the other wife with disrespect. But that was then not now. Jesus said, in the beginning two wifes was not the norm. He said, one wife one husband. But becuz of the hardness of the heart Moses had let it happen.
Marriage is hard I think you would be hard pressed to find a woman married longer then say five years who didn't almost leave her husband polygamy is just harder I think.
@SmitHolm First of all, don't swear on my site. Just because you don't believe the way others do is no reason to be rude or to hate--unless you aren't secure in your own belief. And maybe you are right. And maybe flies will have another life. No one really knows. I agree that we should use this life while we have it.
I liked this video. It makes me think that we need songs that talk specifically about polygamy or that are about loving more than one wife, rather than the monogamy centered songs. We should do the same for movives, although Big Love is a start.
I know that mostly Mormons Fundamentallists practice polygamy in America, but polygamy is not a Mormon-only practice. There are non-Mormon Americans who practice polygamy, and other poly lifestyles so we should widen our perspective of how polygamy can work.
OK, so um not wanting to get involved in the whole polygamy debate, just wanted to say this was a really well made film. Thats it. Nothing more. Please don't shoot me.
Propaganda film... excuse me? Just sharing experiences in my life and how I felt about it. That isn't propaganda, just because you may disagree with it or have another POV. Be a little more open minded.
There were polygamist wives of Utah church leaders alive during the 50s. This represents the lds church in every way. Same doctrine, same book, same false prophet.
Does the LDS church not believe Joseph Smith is a true prophet? Why is it alright to believe some of Smith's prophecies and not others? How can you pick and chose the words to believe when the man is supposedly a man of God?
yes we believe he is a true prophet of god. but we do not hold him higher than jesus himself, we believe in all his prophesies. I'm not sure what you mean by picking and choosing. when polygamy was in the church over a hundred years ago, we were not the only such people practicing it. then when laws passed to abolish poligamy, we followed the laws of the land as we believe it to be important to follow all laws, godly and manly. does that help?
Not really, thanks for trying. Im actually quite aware of the mormon church and their beliefs, just wanted to see how you would try to explain it away. As you can probably tell I do not believe the mormon church is true, or that Smith is a true prophet, there are just to many indiscrepencies in the book of Mormon, especially when read along side the bible. Sorry to offend you, Im sure I did.
You know it's sad you really believe the church is true when they have taken the D&C and changed it up. I have a copy from back in the day I believe the 40's. This was called an ever lasting covenant! Ever lasting! But as soon as some one else says it's no longer practised you except it? I am sure you will not study this as you are told not to question the church or doctrins or you will face disfellowship. Sad not to have a mind of your own! This is why I left the church!
IC. Yes, all the changes are what cause me to believe in Mormon fundamentalism in the first place. But following fundamentalism for awhile finally led to too many unanswered questions about Mormonism in general. And that is why I left the Church.
@deseradi Hi Lareena Smith and/or deseradi. I just wanted to compliment you on a wonderfully made and touching film. I joined youtube to see these kinds of high quality videos. Such work as No More Waiting is rare and special. Thank you.
@Candide333 Don't be a idiot. There is a lot of advantages to polygamy for woman. People to help you with all the work that it takes to successfully run a household for one thing. I may not have been raised in polygamy but I still strongly believe in peoples right to practice polygamy as long it is between consenting adults.
Besides now of days some woman are taking multiple husbands (Polyandry) right here in America. I wouldn't call those woman slaves.
From what I've read, jealousy is a normal part of any multi-partner relationship, I think if we saw a fight between the two of them, the second wife as she is portrayed and the primary wife, then maybe us as the audience would be able to understand why she left, cause if she just left without talking to him, that's kind of stupid, relationships are based on communication.
You're right. Communication is important. This is fictional. When I left my husband, actually, I did talk to him and explain why I left. But he already knew. I think the fact that she doesn't stop in this film to talk to him, is what I wished I had done. The incredable pressure brought to bear on me by all the members of the Church NOT to leave made it very difficult.
Christians are no better than Mormons! Mormons believe in Jesus Christ just as much as you Christians do! and its not like they worship Joseph Smith! you guys fight over the gayest things! if you hate Christians or Mormons then keep it to yourself! every one has a right to believe in what they want! if you think you came from a monkey great! your half monkey! if you believe there is a God then im for you! but honestly your not very christian to go bash on people who believe different than you!
yes. science, logic, reason. i guess its also comical how science powers the magic "god like" area before you're eyes called a MONITOR. and yes we are evolved monkeys, who knows how long we have.
whoa, whoa whoa! okay, time out you two. I think you both need to agree to disagree. thegirl44 belives Joseph Smith is false. prissywings believes Joseph Smith is a true prophet. Great. You have opinions, yay! that's no reason to bicker.
dang thegirl44, that was a low blow. "try reading a book other than the Book of Mormon"? That hurts even me, and I'm not the one you aimed that at. You think we think we have a get out of jail free card? hardly. Repentance is hard work, gosh dang it.
how are we not christian? our church is the only one that is organized the same way as Jesus Christ's was. We believe in christ, that makes us christians.
you say he's false, thousands of Mormons say he's not. the book of Mormon is just another testament of Jesus Christ. it is further proof that he is our savior. besides, i don't think anything can just negate someone's Christianity anyway.
Try reading the bible without the book of mormon as your guide, you'll see a lot of things that Joseph Smith has said are in direct defiance of the words of Christ therefore negating Christianity. Christianity is not just a get out of jail free card that you get to use because you only believe Christs teachings about forgiveness, you have to believe all of the mans words. You cannot believe Christ's lessons of forgiveness then seek blood atonement, as an example.
we don't read the bible with the book of mormon as our guide and joseph smith didn't even write the book of mormon. the bible and the book of mormon go hand and hand together, teaching the same principles, just from other people's point of view. and lastly, i have no idea what blood atonement is so...i think you might be confusing it with something else, it doesn't pertain to the church of jesus christ of latter day saints.
it makes me sad that some people judge others based on what they have heard from other people without real facts to back them up. you honestly think you know more about my religion than i do?
I have a Masters in Theology, I have studied your sect of Christianity along with many other religions. Don't be so quick to assume that disparaging comments come from a source of hate, I personally could care less what you believe, I just wish that people understood everything about the religions that they follow.
And yes, the amount of hours that I studied in order to get my degree, coupled with the fact that you had no idea what blood atonement is, tells me that I know a fair bit more about your religion than you do.
we don't call it 'blood atonement'. the Atonement is how christ ensures we can gain eternal life. i don't have to explain the whole thing to you, maybe you should read the book of mormon YOURSELF before judging others who read it with the bible. please forgive me if you already have read it, but i really do know more about my faith than you do, don't try to take that from me.
i would also think that if you truly studied my 'sect' of Christianity, you would have more respect for what i believe instead of carelessly brushing aside any attempts at learning the truth.
As a Christian I cannot have respect for something founded on the words of a false prophet. Joseph Smith has been proven a fraud, scientifically, culturally, and in his own practices in life showed complete hypocricy in his beliefs. I will pray for you.
Historical Mormon beliefs don't support your statement at all, burgess.
In fact, Joseph Smith preached that those who did not follow his new found testaments were hellbound.
The current LDS is a wonderful church, the focus on family and community being the basis of Christ's message, but these people are not Mormons by Joseph Smith's standards, the founder of the Mormon faith.
Just because is sounds "more inviting" doesn't make it "right". Sometimes the wong thing sounds better than the right thing but we have to choose to do the right thing even if it's not as appealing as the wrong thing The Bible warns us of a Wolf in sheeps clothing and also tells us only through knowing Christ as our saviour can we be saved and go to Heaven =]
You have no idea what I am talking about because you know nothing about the history of the sect that you follow. Try reading a book other than the Book of Mormon, just once, you may be surprised at what led you to where you are. Good day.
Jesus said to beware the false prophets that would come after him and that the last prophet would come to tell of his return. J. Smith prophesized the return of Christ within his lifetime, obviously that didn't happen, solidifying him in everyone but the Mormon followers mind as a false prophet.
The current LDS follow very little of Smith's prophecies, focusing instead on the true message of Christ, family and community, so why do they even call themselves Mormons?
Joseph Smith prophesied that the Lord told him if he reached a certain age alive then the second coming would come before that....the prophesy was conditional on him living till he was 80; you shouldn't twist words to your liking. Read the actual prophesy and you will see not a "jot or tittle" has gone or will go without being fulfilled.
Um, yes. Thegirl44 is right. Brigham Young taught "Blood atonement". It's where someone who got their "calling and election made sure" sins, they can only be forgiven by having their blood split on the ground. Not a popular doctrine now and no longer taught by the LDS church but most polygamist groups believe it.
This is a bad depiction of polygamy. It is biased. Its purpose is to point out that polygamy is a bad thing. A man should love his wife or wives for this matter. In this movie, the man didn't love one of them. This is no different than in other unloving monogamous relationship. If there is no love, there is unhappiness, if there is unhappiness there is hatred, if there is hatred evil comes out. I've seen firsthand a loving polygamous relationship. And it is in no way like this movie.
I think a "good and fair" depiction of polygamy would be if both the men and women could have multiple wives and husbands; wouldn't that take the cake! Can you imagine what the men would do if their "spiritual wives" had multiple husbands as well? I bet Joseph Smith didn't include that little tidbit in his writings, did he.
That's no longer polygamy. That's polyandry. And that's another topic. I couldn't find in the Bible that speaks about polyandry, so I can't say if it's a sin or not. It wasn't practice in the old and new testament times, so I can only guess that it is not accepted.
obviously, you haven't seen every polygamist relationship. it may be good for some, but it also can really ruin some people's lives. there is no one way of polygamy. but what was going on in that video was really moving, and if you can understand how she would have felt, you would like this movie. if you can't, go and work on your empathy skills.
obviously, you haven't seen every polygamist relationship. What you have seen are the bad ones. The movie was moving to you because it depicts the polygamous relationships that you have seen. Somehow to you it confirms that polygamy is not a good thing. Unloving relationship happens also in a monogamous relationship. Does that make you think also that monogamy is a bad thing?
i do agree that most monogamous relationships do not go well at all, but i think that having a sister wife also insites a lot of tension and jealousy that otherwise might not exist. im not saying husbands dont cheat on their wives, but that still doesn't mean that it's ok.
over all, i would never, ever choose to be in a polygamist relationship, but it's every person's decision...
The fact that it is called a sister-wife, it should not have any tension or jealousy. Jealousy is a result of insecurity and lack of something. If all sister-wives are given the same level of love, protection, trust and respect, why would there be jealousy? I respect your decision not to be in a polygamous relationship, but you also need to respect those who wants to be part of it. Because I have seen happy polygamous relationships, I will not stop defending it.
Very nice movie; great job! I felt really p.o.'d that a beautiful young woman was brain-washed into thinking that this joyless, loveless marriage was her lot in life, her ticket to salvation/heaven, or whatever other "reward" she was to have by living like this. I hope to God that this woman went on to find a wonderful man, one who would love and adore her and be there for her, just for her. I can't believe that any woman would submit to this kind of cr*p without religious indoctrination.
Misteeq64, good question. I also wonder how many are (1) allowed to leave these marriages, and (2) if they do leave the marriages, do they get to keep the kids? The nutso cult in Texas, routinely assigned and re-assigned wives, kids, etc.
Joseph Smith is in hell today. He and Brigham Young clearly taught soul murder of women, and that he should be respected above what the New Testament clearly teaches. He was lust- and -money -driven, a hugely common trait with false prophets and cult leaders.Joseph Smith- such a sinful, twisted man, and the virus of his charlatanism is still hirting millions.
Well when I said mormons, what I meant to say was the kind of mormons that believe in polygamy, I'm not sure if the answer would be different in that case. I believe that would be the FLDS variety, correct?
It is vile! No decent man would advocate polygamy and no decent god would force his children to live it. But like I said, if you want to live like an animal, you don't need my approval. You might, however, need the approval of the U.S. government and the people in of the United States. No wonder the Mormons have been persecuted. They are animals! They act like animals and live like animals!
Polygamy was practiced in the bible, but it was after foretold that it was no longer expected. The ppl who keep this practice in action today are perverts! And these polygamists now a days are NOT Mormons, they just use certain Mormon doctrine to suit their needs...and the rest they make up to get laid!
They are certainly Mormons. Their names of many have been removed from LDS Church. You are naiive if you think there are more perverts in Utah and among polygamists than elsewhere, but their history and lineages are the same as LDS Monogamists in the Intermountain West. If LDS Church members want to stop calling themselves
I don't want to understand. I want one wife and only one wife. Anything else is vile, disgusting, and wrong! I know little about the bible and less about the book of mormon but if they say say polygamy is fine, then I don't want to have anything to do with those books.
If one wife is what you want, great, man, go for it! There's enough room in my heart to let you follow your heart. But please don't make any other consenting relationship vile 'cause it's not for you...
It is not vile. The Prophet Joseph Smith restored that holy principle and Brigham Young advocated it and said that no man would go to the highest place of the Celestial Kingdom without being married to at least 3 wives. This is not a lust thing, it's to serve a higher purpose!
Joseph Smith was confused. Show me the scriptures that support his belief on three wives. I am a Christian and though my words seem harsh, I mean no ill temper at all. I just dont understand following a man instead of Christ.
no 3 wives are prescribed but polygamy is at least permissible according to the bible, ex. abraham, yizhack, yaakob...plus the many instances of pilagshut...not that I am advocating it or anything because i think it was only there as a reflection of ancient pre-biblical tribal customs and it has no religius significance whatsoever
Yeah I agree that it was a ancient pre biblical custom as well. And amen on it not having significance! Given, im not well read in Joseph Smith but it just seems odd to follow a teaching of a man over the Bible.
May I offer an answer: Matthew Chapter 25 verses 1-13. Christ spoke this parrable about the Wise and Foolish Virgins but the basis of this parralbe is polygamy. In the end, five virgins enter the wedding chamber.
I do not support polygamy personally. I just wanted to provide food for thought.
Right, im not against polygamy, its certinly in the scriptures. But its just that it was never a law to marry more than one wife. I never really considered the verses that you quoted though. Thanks for the the thought.
That scripture refers to being ready for when Christ comes, not polygamy, it says in verse 13: Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. It is saying always be ready for when christ comes, don't be lacking in anything, those who are "lacking" (for lack of a better word) will not be able to enter the kingdom and be with christ. Do you see that? It may just be a different interpretation...it is a parable, everyone can get a different message from, that is what I see.
Please allow me to clarify. Yes the parable is about being perpared for when the Savior returns but the basis of the parable is polygamy. In otehr wards polygamy was used to illistrate the point. Five were prepared and entered into the wedding chamber with the groom. Five were not. As I do the math: five brides and one groom, sure sounds like polygamy to me. Again, this is food for thought.
What version do you use? NIV or King James? (it matters I am going somewhere with this don't worry) (oh and I am not a pastor or anything I just dont want anything said about the bible that isnt totally true....because it is what I believe and that is so important to me)
If you dont want to answer that is fine... thanks!
I use the King James version. I agree that nothing should be said about the scriptures that is not true. To summarize what I am saying: Many believe that polygamy is foreign to Christian thought and I am suggesting that it isn't. Christ used it as the basis for his parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins. He used topics that were familiar to the people of his times. Such as sowing seeds, vineyards, and in this case polygamy. All I am attempting to do is encourage thinking.
Exactly, the metaphor used by Christ in this parable to convey the meaning/message was polygamy. This will not fit into many Christians paradigms but it must fit into some because of the many Pro-polygamy Christian web sites that exist. We may not agree. I just offer this to think upon.
"I will forgive whom I will forgive, but unto you it is to forgive all men." The metaphor of the watchfull shepherd who leaves the 90 and 9 until the one who is lost is safe and .the parable of the prodigal son is also relevant.
The Lord's business is his own. He lived in a
polygamous society, it was Justinian who banned polygamy, and this in no way changed Abrahamic Law.Iranian Law banning polygamy allows murder of, Suni Refugees.
This is not about the literal meaning. Sure that may be the meaning but what on earth would have been the reason for using the "polygamy" parable. This was a common practice in that culture & society. I don't think the bible ever actually denounces the practice-does it? This all together makes me question the validity of it. Scriptures have been twisted to benefit the political & societal gamet throughout history. That being said how do we really know what is wrong or right?
Clarification: There is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Mormon was originally a deragatory term given to members of the Church of Jesus Christ because they read from the Book of Mormon. Mormon was an ancient prophet that lived on the American continent who helped to compose the books in the Book of Mormon, which was then translated by Joseph Smith.
We know that, but even LDS leaders now tend to use the term and claim they are the only Mormons. A bit as if Orthodox Jews claimed Conservative or Reform Jews were not Jews. Well, Fundamentalist, Independent or Reform Mormons are also Mormons whether the LDS majority likes it or not.
RMormon -- You contradict yourself. First you claim to know what a "Mormon" is and then you claim "fundamentalist, independent, or reform" churches are also Mormon. It appears that you have re-defined the term "Mormon," and no longer really understand what it represents today. Mormons are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Period.
Scottsdale, you have your definition of Mormonism, or rather the LDS definition of Mormonism that you fully accept and do not question! The Catholic Church didn't accept the Protestant as Christians and let me remind you that most Christians don't accept LDS Mormons as Christians either. If LDS Mormons claim Fundamentalist Mormons or Reform Mormons are not Mormons, I don't care. I don't need your approval to define myself and my faith. I can govern myself like the Prophet Joseph Smith declared.
RMormon -- I am confused by what you are saying and why you are saying it. Are you a member of the fundamentalist Mormons, RLDS, or Community church of Christ? If so, I'd love to talk to you more about it.
I have never heard of a Reform Mormon. Please tell me more about what you believe.
Also, everyone should watch the General Conference for the Church of Jesus Christ, it is televised on cable in most markets from 12-2pm and 4-6pm (EST) on Sat and Sun.
Just to clarify. LDS still practice polygamy but only when a man is widowed and is re-married and sealed to a second wife in the temple. A man can only do this if his wifes keep dying on him. He can be married and sealed in the temple to as many women that dies or leave him. A woman cannot do this because LDS do not believe in multiple husbands. You really need to learn more about your religion buddy.
janilee7 -- Just to clarify, polygamy is marriage to more than one woman. If a woman dies, then the couple is no longer legally married and therefore are NOT polygamists.
Well, if you are talking legally recognized by the state then your statement is true. But in terms of the after life (celestial kingdom) according to the LDS church then you are married to more than one wife and that you will still have all the wives you married in the next life which according to the The D&C you must accept plural marriage in order to enter into the celestial kingdom. The LDS church claims they don't teach about polygamy but when they seal men who are widowed to more than one.
janilee7 -- The D&C does not teach that you have to accept plural marriage to enter into the celestial kingdom. It teaches that you must have faith in Jesus Christ, repent, be baptized, and endure to the end to enter the celestial kingdom.
Also, your argument is based upon the assumption that you accept that the LDS church has the authority to act in the name of God. It also assumes that you accept the biblical teaching regarding the kingdoms of glory. If so, then great!
Wow what a douchebag, the blonde is 10x hotter than that scrubby brunette. But what can I say, he's an illogical mormon like the rest. Lamanites my ass, my ancestors nor myself as well as the rest of my native brothers and sisters have one drop of blood remotely relating to the middle east. Joe Smith is a lying piece of crap! Long live DNA tests. All My Relations!
Hmm. You do realize that these are actors, and that this is a fictional movie based on a true story, but not the true story, as the "Polygamy and Me" video is. So perhaps the blond representation was misleading. In fact, the brunette and the "husband" actors were, I think, engaged at the time. So I thought it would work better with that combo. Just a directing decision.
"So I thought it would work better with that combo. Just a directing decision."
Well done in that aspect the combo worked rather well. More emotion was put in the good looking blonde that was getting raw end of the relationship. Nicely worked.
Having a mate is more important than your eternal soul? God is the only freedom from lonliness. There is so much to life when your free, why bind yourself? This reminds me of Leah and Rachel. God was not happy with the situation, it is very clear from Genesis 29.
in New york city the ratio of men to women is 1:7, if all men get married in that city, there will be 4 million women without husbands, so the only solution for them is polygamy, unless they want turn themselves into lesbians, so there is no choice for the poor women. you have been mocking islam for polygamy now you face the reality.
your logic presupposes that one should have sex, otherwise life is stupid. this is what worries me about you, Islam, Mormons, and other pseudoteachings.
True. But at the time I became convinced that the LDS church was wrong to abandon polygamy and consecration and that they had gone astray. I felt that we had a right to live plural marriage and that it was a higher law and would bring more blessings. So we got married in secret and tried to stay in the Church, which actually worked for me for years. That is the basic polygamist plan. Try to stay in the LDS church if you can. Depends on the group they're in.
Look pulled this up cause that Warren Jeffs dude. I can't afford one wife and living with two or three...Not at GUN POINT man ---no way...!
deltaalpha21074 5 months ago
Polygamy = the practice or custom of having more than one wife or husband at the same time.
Polygyny = the practice in which a man has more than one wife at the same time.
Polyandry = the practice in which a woman has more than one husband at the same time.
Please get it straight.
999yullan 11 months ago
I' very happy with my 3 husbands, I always have something to do lol
sueellen696 11 months ago
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@sueellen696
in response to: " I'm very happy with my 3 husbands, I always have something to do. Lol.
You are such a kidder!
But Good Fortune Cookie Say: "lucky woman have #1 man in kitchen, #2 man pick up sock, #3 man clean window, vacuum rug, defrost fridge, take out trash, mow lawn and do GREAAAAAT SEX!" (and if such…Semper fi! )
999yullan 11 months ago
@sueellen696
in response to: " I'm very happy with my 3 husbands, I always have something to do. Lol.
You are such a kidder!
But Fortune Cookie Say: "lucky woman have #1 man in kitchen, #2 man pick up sock, #3 man clean window, vacuum rug, defrost fridge, take out trash, mow lawn and do GREAAAAAT SEX!"
999yullan 11 months ago
im so happy she left.. she can find a man that loves her and ONLY her.
marlley08 1 year ago
@marlley08
in response to: " I'm very happy with my 3 husbands, I always have something to do. Lol.
You are such a kidder!
But Good Fortune Cookie Say: "lucky woman have #1 man in kitchen, #2 man pick up sock, #3 man clean window, vacuum rug, defrost fridge, take out trash, mow lawn and do GREAAAAAT SEX!" (and if such…Semper fi! )
999yullan 11 months ago
@AngryActivist45 any and all religions brainwash people; there's no such thing as a "good" religion... and this is no different.
avastacia 1 year ago
When God put Adam to sleep, He took one rib from Adam not two, and when Adam saw Eve he said, bone of my bone flesh of my flesh. Adam looked in the future and said, Man will leave mother and father and Cleave to your wife. Not Two, one wife. The O/T said, that it would cause confusion. Polygamy is sin in the eyes of God. But in the eyes of man it is selfhishness. and greed, Lust. It's not the will of God. I believe that it is a waste of the other womens time and life if she would have stayed.
MsBREATHOFLIFE 1 year ago
This is what I mean things like this happened in the O/T. Where one wife had childern because she was hated, and the other didn't. God even said, dont treat the other wife with disrespect. But that was then not now. Jesus said, in the beginning two wifes was not the norm. He said, one wife one husband. But becuz of the hardness of the heart Moses had let it happen.
MsBREATHOFLIFE 1 year ago
how sad; i'm so glad the girl took back her life and dignity. woohooo female power!!!
superotter77 1 year ago
Marriage is hard I think you would be hard pressed to find a woman married longer then say five years who didn't almost leave her husband polygamy is just harder I think.
ZionELM 1 year ago
Nice vid!
moremoxi 1 year ago
i like this video. you go girl!
filipinaphotogal 1 year ago
This reminds me of Rachel and Leah in the Bible...maybe Leah felt that way too.
GrimIZ987 1 year ago
@SmitHolm You may not give a &^%$ whose site it is and there is freedom of speech, but I can block you, and I have. Jerk.
deseradi 1 year ago
@SmitHolm First of all, don't swear on my site. Just because you don't believe the way others do is no reason to be rude or to hate--unless you aren't secure in your own belief. And maybe you are right. And maybe flies will have another life. No one really knows. I agree that we should use this life while we have it.
deseradi 1 year ago
I liked this video. It makes me think that we need songs that talk specifically about polygamy or that are about loving more than one wife, rather than the monogamy centered songs. We should do the same for movives, although Big Love is a start.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
@PolyPride3 I love "Big Love"! (Though it's getting pretty dramatic....). Yes I've thought of making up new lyrics to love song...
deseradi 1 year ago
I know that mostly Mormons Fundamentallists practice polygamy in America, but polygamy is not a Mormon-only practice. There are non-Mormon Americans who practice polygamy, and other poly lifestyles so we should widen our perspective of how polygamy can work.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
OK, so um not wanting to get involved in the whole polygamy debate, just wanted to say this was a really well made film. Thats it. Nothing more. Please don't shoot me.
instantcrazyinacup 1 year ago
This whole issue of polygamy has got too involved with mormons please widen the discussion.
magiliw2 2 years ago
Also important point for you nay sayers...
You're looking at a propaganda film. If you want to know if it is "tough for the wives" go ask them. (...You might not like the answer.)
fitzpatrick2005 2 years ago
Propaganda film... excuse me? Just sharing experiences in my life and how I felt about it. That isn't propaganda, just because you may disagree with it or have another POV. Be a little more open minded.
deseradi 1 year ago
There were polygamist wives of Utah church leaders alive during the 50s. This represents the lds church in every way. Same doctrine, same book, same false prophet.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
>same false prophet.
All prophets are false. So that doesn't say anything.
fitzpatrick2005 2 years ago
the corrs music is great.
It must be tough trying to accept adultery.
It's these bastard mormon priesthood guys that cause all of the problems.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
@awolLDSasap "It must be tough trying to accept adultery."
Why? Men in mainstream society accept it all the time. Indeed they're told to go to work and subsidize it. One manifestation is divorce.
Men accept that and a lot worse from females.
Why do you care more about pussy's rights (to cheat and abuse in multiple ways) than you do your own?
Are you admitting you are ingorant and you've had a sheltered life? If so why do think you deserve a say over other's lives?
fitzpatrick2005 2 years ago
Also you are in denial of simple mammal hypergamy fact: 3rd wife of king is happy; first wife of pauper is sad.
fitzpatrick2005 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
just so you all know this in no way represents the church of jesus christ of latter day saints.
mormonchick011 2 years ago
Does the LDS church not believe Joseph Smith is a true prophet? Why is it alright to believe some of Smith's prophecies and not others? How can you pick and chose the words to believe when the man is supposedly a man of God?
xoxoLoveToReadxoxo 2 years ago 9
yes we believe he is a true prophet of god. but we do not hold him higher than jesus himself, we believe in all his prophesies. I'm not sure what you mean by picking and choosing. when polygamy was in the church over a hundred years ago, we were not the only such people practicing it. then when laws passed to abolish poligamy, we followed the laws of the land as we believe it to be important to follow all laws, godly and manly. does that help?
mormongirl011 2 years ago
Not really, thanks for trying. Im actually quite aware of the mormon church and their beliefs, just wanted to see how you would try to explain it away. As you can probably tell I do not believe the mormon church is true, or that Smith is a true prophet, there are just to many indiscrepencies in the book of Mormon, especially when read along side the bible. Sorry to offend you, Im sure I did.
xoxoLoveToReadxoxo 2 years ago
You know it's sad you really believe the church is true when they have taken the D&C and changed it up. I have a copy from back in the day I believe the 40's. This was called an ever lasting covenant! Ever lasting! But as soon as some one else says it's no longer practised you except it? I am sure you will not study this as you are told not to question the church or doctrins or you will face disfellowship. Sad not to have a mind of your own! This is why I left the church!
Takedownman 2 years ago
I'm sorry... but to whom are you speaking? Not really clear. To the maker of the film or the people posting comments on it.
deseradi 1 year ago
I was describing the mormon church in general.
Takedownman 1 year ago
IC. Yes, all the changes are what cause me to believe in Mormon fundamentalism in the first place. But following fundamentalism for awhile finally led to too many unanswered questions about Mormonism in general. And that is why I left the Church.
deseradi 1 year ago
@deseradi Hi Lareena Smith and/or deseradi. I just wanted to compliment you on a wonderfully made and touching film. I joined youtube to see these kinds of high quality videos. Such work as No More Waiting is rare and special. Thank you.
Kind regards, Straycoolcat.
straycoolcat 1 year ago
@straycoolcat Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
deseradi 1 year ago
wooow, I never new that poligamy could be like this, its truely sad...this breaks me heart. Thanks for the video.
dgamez3035 2 years ago
What doesthe dude say when he's looking out the window?
HumpStumpsRump 2 years ago
Just another excuse to use women as slaves.
Candide333 2 years ago 11
Why? the chicks agree to be married, allow it unless the girls arent allowed to leave.
TMISOS 2 years ago
@Candide333 Don't be a idiot. There is a lot of advantages to polygamy for woman. People to help you with all the work that it takes to successfully run a household for one thing. I may not have been raised in polygamy but I still strongly believe in peoples right to practice polygamy as long it is between consenting adults.
Besides now of days some woman are taking multiple husbands (Polyandry) right here in America. I wouldn't call those woman slaves.
Nofretari 1 year ago
I love the bird at the end.
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
From what I've read, jealousy is a normal part of any multi-partner relationship, I think if we saw a fight between the two of them, the second wife as she is portrayed and the primary wife, then maybe us as the audience would be able to understand why she left, cause if she just left without talking to him, that's kind of stupid, relationships are based on communication.
PhotonLeaf 2 years ago
You're right. Communication is important. This is fictional. When I left my husband, actually, I did talk to him and explain why I left. But he already knew. I think the fact that she doesn't stop in this film to talk to him, is what I wished I had done. The incredable pressure brought to bear on me by all the members of the Church NOT to leave made it very difficult.
deseradi 2 years ago
Christians are no better than Mormons! Mormons believe in Jesus Christ just as much as you Christians do! and its not like they worship Joseph Smith! you guys fight over the gayest things! if you hate Christians or Mormons then keep it to yourself! every one has a right to believe in what they want! if you think you came from a monkey great! your half monkey! if you believe there is a God then im for you! but honestly your not very christian to go bash on people who believe different than you!
dfsjkgdb 3 years ago
"What Can I Do?" by the Corrs (Talk on Corners, Special Ed.)
deseradi 3 years ago
how people believe in magic men in skies, wow! beyond me comical.
boringlyawesum 3 years ago
How people believe we evolved from apes Wow! beyond me comical.
englishballerco 3 years ago
yes. science, logic, reason. i guess its also comical how science powers the magic "god like" area before you're eyes called a MONITOR. and yes we are evolved monkeys, who knows how long we have.
boringlyawesum 3 years ago
whoa, whoa whoa! okay, time out you two. I think you both need to agree to disagree. thegirl44 belives Joseph Smith is false. prissywings believes Joseph Smith is a true prophet. Great. You have opinions, yay! that's no reason to bicker.
dang thegirl44, that was a low blow. "try reading a book other than the Book of Mormon"? That hurts even me, and I'm not the one you aimed that at. You think we think we have a get out of jail free card? hardly. Repentance is hard work, gosh dang it.
saladsfallautumn 3 years ago 2
whoa lds are definitely christians.
wslaubach 3 years ago 6
This guy is so lucky .. I'm not sure I can love more than one woman .. but it will be so good to be loved by more than one woman..
Neothelastone 3 years ago
this just makes me VERY glad i am NOT a Christian.
SpikesScarletWitch 3 years ago
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kschu02 3 years ago
how are we not christian? our church is the only one that is organized the same way as Jesus Christ's was. We believe in christ, that makes us christians.
prissywings 3 years ago 2
You follow the words of a false prophet, Joseph Smith, exactly what Jesus warned us against, this negates your Christianity.
thegirl44 3 years ago
you say he's false, thousands of Mormons say he's not. the book of Mormon is just another testament of Jesus Christ. it is further proof that he is our savior. besides, i don't think anything can just negate someone's Christianity anyway.
prissywings 3 years ago
Try reading the bible without the book of mormon as your guide, you'll see a lot of things that Joseph Smith has said are in direct defiance of the words of Christ therefore negating Christianity. Christianity is not just a get out of jail free card that you get to use because you only believe Christs teachings about forgiveness, you have to believe all of the mans words. You cannot believe Christ's lessons of forgiveness then seek blood atonement, as an example.
thegirl44 3 years ago
we don't read the bible with the book of mormon as our guide and joseph smith didn't even write the book of mormon. the bible and the book of mormon go hand and hand together, teaching the same principles, just from other people's point of view. and lastly, i have no idea what blood atonement is so...i think you might be confusing it with something else, it doesn't pertain to the church of jesus christ of latter day saints.
prissywings 3 years ago
It scares me that you don't know the historic basis of your beliefs. Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it.
thegirl44 3 years ago
it makes me sad that some people judge others based on what they have heard from other people without real facts to back them up. you honestly think you know more about my religion than i do?
prissywings 3 years ago
I have a Masters in Theology, I have studied your sect of Christianity along with many other religions. Don't be so quick to assume that disparaging comments come from a source of hate, I personally could care less what you believe, I just wish that people understood everything about the religions that they follow.
thegirl44 3 years ago 2
And yes, the amount of hours that I studied in order to get my degree, coupled with the fact that you had no idea what blood atonement is, tells me that I know a fair bit more about your religion than you do.
thegirl44 3 years ago
we don't call it 'blood atonement'. the Atonement is how christ ensures we can gain eternal life. i don't have to explain the whole thing to you, maybe you should read the book of mormon YOURSELF before judging others who read it with the bible. please forgive me if you already have read it, but i really do know more about my faith than you do, don't try to take that from me.
prissywings 3 years ago
i would also think that if you truly studied my 'sect' of Christianity, you would have more respect for what i believe instead of carelessly brushing aside any attempts at learning the truth.
prissywings 3 years ago
As a Christian I cannot have respect for something founded on the words of a false prophet. Joseph Smith has been proven a fraud, scientifically, culturally, and in his own practices in life showed complete hypocricy in his beliefs. I will pray for you.
thegirl44 3 years ago
So..
There's a baptist, a muslim, and a buddhist.
Baptist believes that the muslim and buddhist are going to hell without being saved.
Mormon believes EVERYBODY gets to go, AND you get the chance to live with your family for eternity.
I don't know about you, but I know which one of those sounds way more inviting.
So go ahead on, and talk your smack...cause I know the REAL score.
Baptists: 1
Mormons: 3
burgess0513 3 years ago
Living with my family for Eternity would be Hell. What's the diff. You have to be unimaginably bad to
be cast into darkness where there is weeping
wailing and bruxion. Dentists must go there.
Neither Joseph Smith, BY, or some of the General Authorities believe that you can't learn and move
from one kingdom upward. The God of the
Telestial Kingdom is the Holy Ghost and he
isn't less in any way than the others. Jesus said
when you have seen me you have seen the
Father.
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
Historical Mormon beliefs don't support your statement at all, burgess.
In fact, Joseph Smith preached that those who did not follow his new found testaments were hellbound.
The current LDS is a wonderful church, the focus on family and community being the basis of Christ's message, but these people are not Mormons by Joseph Smith's standards, the founder of the Mormon faith.
thegirl44 2 years ago
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tocobell18 2 years ago
In response to burgess0513:
Just because is sounds "more inviting" doesn't make it "right". Sometimes the wong thing sounds better than the right thing but we have to choose to do the right thing even if it's not as appealing as the wrong thing The Bible warns us of a Wolf in sheeps clothing and also tells us only through knowing Christ as our saviour can we be saved and go to Heaven =]
tocobell18 2 years ago
You have no idea what I am talking about because you know nothing about the history of the sect that you follow. Try reading a book other than the Book of Mormon, just once, you may be surprised at what led you to where you are. Good day.
thegirl44 3 years ago
And you're sure you got the straight scoop?
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
I've read Kimball Young.
Jesus said to beware the false prophets that would come after him and that the last prophet would come to tell of his return. J. Smith prophesized the return of Christ within his lifetime, obviously that didn't happen, solidifying him in everyone but the Mormon followers mind as a false prophet.
The current LDS follow very little of Smith's prophecies, focusing instead on the true message of Christ, family and community, so why do they even call themselves Mormons?
thegirl44 2 years ago
Joseph Smith prophesied that the Lord told him if he reached a certain age alive then the second coming would come before that....the prophesy was conditional on him living till he was 80; you shouldn't twist words to your liking. Read the actual prophesy and you will see not a "jot or tittle" has gone or will go without being fulfilled.
gord1921 2 years ago 3
Um, yes. Thegirl44 is right. Brigham Young taught "Blood atonement". It's where someone who got their "calling and election made sure" sins, they can only be forgiven by having their blood split on the ground. Not a popular doctrine now and no longer taught by the LDS church but most polygamist groups believe it.
deseradi 3 years ago
I was sitting waiting for a one act to start when a
member of the Church of the first born was sitting
next to me. 1976. He was scared.
I think that my brother's boss--his five brothers
bought Whiting brothers stations. Someone
shot him in the bathroom. [1967} They all moved to
the other side of the mountain. Does that mean
that the murder rate in Utah was higher,
even for those years, than elsewhere?
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
So who beleives in blood atonement? Most of them
are Dead. Few people took Brigham Young,
seriously, even in his own time. There's the brother
of a SLC DA on You Tube somewhere. If you
run into him, ask and report back. Mostly the
person who wrote September Dawn did.
Porter Rockwell said "I never shot a man who
didn't deserve it. Did you ever watch a John Wayne
movie . Bet you did. Porter just had a better rationalization via. his good buddy.
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
I would think living an "unChrist-like" life would negate a person's Christianity.
deseradi 3 years ago
moving...that what ever women should do wen treated badly, is just talk chances and walk away.
AndreaMNarciso 3 years ago
This is a bad depiction of polygamy. It is biased. Its purpose is to point out that polygamy is a bad thing. A man should love his wife or wives for this matter. In this movie, the man didn't love one of them. This is no different than in other unloving monogamous relationship. If there is no love, there is unhappiness, if there is unhappiness there is hatred, if there is hatred evil comes out. I've seen firsthand a loving polygamous relationship. And it is in no way like this movie.
johnjeter 3 years ago
Thanks, johnjeter for putting the records straight!
RMormon 3 years ago
I think a "good and fair" depiction of polygamy would be if both the men and women could have multiple wives and husbands; wouldn't that take the cake! Can you imagine what the men would do if their "spiritual wives" had multiple husbands as well? I bet Joseph Smith didn't include that little tidbit in his writings, did he.
queenlivesforever 3 years ago 2
That's no longer polygamy. That's polyandry. And that's another topic. I couldn't find in the Bible that speaks about polyandry, so I can't say if it's a sin or not. It wasn't practice in the old and new testament times, so I can only guess that it is not accepted.
johnjeter 3 years ago
obviously, you haven't seen every polygamist relationship. it may be good for some, but it also can really ruin some people's lives. there is no one way of polygamy. but what was going on in that video was really moving, and if you can understand how she would have felt, you would like this movie. if you can't, go and work on your empathy skills.
luv, mirsteins
totalextrovert16 3 years ago
obviously, you haven't seen every polygamist relationship. What you have seen are the bad ones. The movie was moving to you because it depicts the polygamous relationships that you have seen. Somehow to you it confirms that polygamy is not a good thing. Unloving relationship happens also in a monogamous relationship. Does that make you think also that monogamy is a bad thing?
johnjeter 3 years ago
i do agree that most monogamous relationships do not go well at all, but i think that having a sister wife also insites a lot of tension and jealousy that otherwise might not exist. im not saying husbands dont cheat on their wives, but that still doesn't mean that it's ok.
over all, i would never, ever choose to be in a polygamist relationship, but it's every person's decision...
luv, mirstens
totalextrovert16 3 years ago 2
The fact that it is called a sister-wife, it should not have any tension or jealousy. Jealousy is a result of insecurity and lack of something. If all sister-wives are given the same level of love, protection, trust and respect, why would there be jealousy? I respect your decision not to be in a polygamous relationship, but you also need to respect those who wants to be part of it. Because I have seen happy polygamous relationships, I will not stop defending it.
johnjeter 3 years ago
Read Kimball Young.
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
This video makes me sad.
He wasn't doing what the Bible insists a man does for when he has more than one wife. He must treat them equally. He must not diminish her items.
Men can be so unrighteous.
Yet ANOTHER good poly vid. Tu vas, chica.
DreamGyrl360 3 years ago 2
I think some men would do this to there wifes,in
the Muslim world if this happens , the wife can ask for a devorice if the man don't do his night
duty , or if is not welling to keep the love for his seconed wife.
mahmoudbsh 3 years ago
I lived in Utah and Idaho Everyone just closes their eyes to what is really going on.SICK SICK!
setzboi 3 years ago 2
And that video was good, it makes you think...after it is over...(if that is what you wanted) Good job!
RiverOfSun 3 years ago
can the man sleep with all of his wives at the same time?
okrabay 3 years ago
Another good film on a very sad topic. Wonderful job on this one, too.
ivytattoos 3 years ago
sad :(
allenrl 3 years ago
Hay esta Gente!!, lo que estar realmente confundido y sin intelecto ja!!! esto es para todos los que escriben sin saber realmente las cosas.
bridaluk 3 years ago
Very nice movie; great job! I felt really p.o.'d that a beautiful young woman was brain-washed into thinking that this joyless, loveless marriage was her lot in life, her ticket to salvation/heaven, or whatever other "reward" she was to have by living like this. I hope to God that this woman went on to find a wonderful man, one who would love and adore her and be there for her, just for her. I can't believe that any woman would submit to this kind of cr*p without religious indoctrination.
queenlivesforever 3 years ago
I wonder what pourcentage of woman leave these marriages
misteeq64 3 years ago
Misteeq64, good question. I also wonder how many are (1) allowed to leave these marriages, and (2) if they do leave the marriages, do they get to keep the kids? The nutso cult in Texas, routinely assigned and re-assigned wives, kids, etc.
queenlivesforever 3 years ago
Joseph Smith is in hell today. He and Brigham Young clearly taught soul murder of women, and that he should be respected above what the New Testament clearly teaches. He was lust- and -money -driven, a hugely common trait with false prophets and cult leaders.Joseph Smith- such a sinful, twisted man, and the virus of his charlatanism is still hirting millions.
bsl103158 3 years ago
Do mormons condone 3somes? I don't mean to sound crass, but I honestly wonder. Anyway very nice supplement to Polygamy & Me
leitermann 3 years ago
Allow me to answer: no.
I am a convert to the LDS faith and that is not condoned or practiced.
MWayneW 3 years ago
Well when I said mormons, what I meant to say was the kind of mormons that believe in polygamy, I'm not sure if the answer would be different in that case. I believe that would be the FLDS variety, correct?
leitermann 3 years ago
It is vile! No decent man would advocate polygamy and no decent god would force his children to live it. But like I said, if you want to live like an animal, you don't need my approval. You might, however, need the approval of the U.S. government and the people in of the United States. No wonder the Mormons have been persecuted. They are animals! They act like animals and live like animals!
vcomp1960 3 years ago 7
This makes mexican soap operas like cartoons
arboloco1 3 years ago
Is that good?
deseradi 3 years ago
There is a popular American Polygamous Soap Opera,
if you can afford HBO, and how does "this" make Mexican Soap Operas two dementional.
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
Polygamy was practiced in the bible, but it was after foretold that it was no longer expected. The ppl who keep this practice in action today are perverts! And these polygamists now a days are NOT Mormons, they just use certain Mormon doctrine to suit their needs...and the rest they make up to get laid!
MelroseFan4616 4 years ago
They are certainly Mormons. Their names of many have been removed from LDS Church. You are naiive if you think there are more perverts in Utah and among polygamists than elsewhere, but their history and lineages are the same as LDS Monogamists in the Intermountain West. If LDS Church members want to stop calling themselves
Mormons, no one is stopping them.
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
they are a bunch of ugly people getting lucky.
gurlfly75 4 years ago
Who are you calling ugly. The pot calling the kettle black or why would you bother.
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
Polygamy is a holy principle, but I accept it doesn't work for everyone -like monogamy is no recipe for a happy marriage either!
RMormon 4 years ago
I hope you are joking?
vcomp1960 4 years ago
No I'm not joking! Not everyone needs to embrace the Principle but if it works for some people there are great blessings attached to it.
RMormon 4 years ago
Polygamy is a vile practice. What blessings? I want to hear this one!
vcomp1960 4 years ago 2
If you don't studie the bible or the book of mormon then you wouldn't understand.
janilee7 3 years ago
I don't want to understand. I want one wife and only one wife. Anything else is vile, disgusting, and wrong! I know little about the bible and less about the book of mormon but if they say say polygamy is fine, then I don't want to have anything to do with those books.
vcomp1960 3 years ago
If one wife is what you want, great, man, go for it! There's enough room in my heart to let you follow your heart. But please don't make any other consenting relationship vile 'cause it's not for you...
RMormon 3 years ago
It is vile! If you want to live like an animal, you don't have to have my approval. I am not going to stop you!
vcomp1960 3 years ago
It is not vile. The Prophet Joseph Smith restored that holy principle and Brigham Young advocated it and said that no man would go to the highest place of the Celestial Kingdom without being married to at least 3 wives. This is not a lust thing, it's to serve a higher purpose!
RMormon 3 years ago
Joseph Smith was confused. Show me the scriptures that support his belief on three wives. I am a Christian and though my words seem harsh, I mean no ill temper at all. I just dont understand following a man instead of Christ.
EDWARDOS20 3 years ago 2
no 3 wives are prescribed but polygamy is at least permissible according to the bible, ex. abraham, yizhack, yaakob...plus the many instances of pilagshut...not that I am advocating it or anything because i think it was only there as a reflection of ancient pre-biblical tribal customs and it has no religius significance whatsoever
paciboy 3 years ago
Yeah I agree that it was a ancient pre biblical custom as well. And amen on it not having significance! Given, im not well read in Joseph Smith but it just seems odd to follow a teaching of a man over the Bible.
EDWARDOS20 3 years ago
May I offer an answer: Matthew Chapter 25 verses 1-13. Christ spoke this parrable about the Wise and Foolish Virgins but the basis of this parralbe is polygamy. In the end, five virgins enter the wedding chamber.
I do not support polygamy personally. I just wanted to provide food for thought.
MWayneW 3 years ago
Right, im not against polygamy, its certinly in the scriptures. But its just that it was never a law to marry more than one wife. I never really considered the verses that you quoted though. Thanks for the the thought.
EDWARDOS20 3 years ago
That scripture refers to being ready for when Christ comes, not polygamy, it says in verse 13: Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. It is saying always be ready for when christ comes, don't be lacking in anything, those who are "lacking" (for lack of a better word) will not be able to enter the kingdom and be with christ. Do you see that? It may just be a different interpretation...it is a parable, everyone can get a different message from, that is what I see.
RiverOfSun 3 years ago
Please allow me to clarify. Yes the parable is about being perpared for when the Savior returns but the basis of the parable is polygamy. In otehr wards polygamy was used to illistrate the point. Five were prepared and entered into the wedding chamber with the groom. Five were not. As I do the math: five brides and one groom, sure sounds like polygamy to me. Again, this is food for thought.
MWayneW 3 years ago
What version do you use? NIV or King James? (it matters I am going somewhere with this don't worry) (oh and I am not a pastor or anything I just dont want anything said about the bible that isnt totally true....because it is what I believe and that is so important to me)
If you dont want to answer that is fine... thanks!
RiverOfSun 3 years ago
I use the King James version. I agree that nothing should be said about the scriptures that is not true. To summarize what I am saying: Many believe that polygamy is foreign to Christian thought and I am suggesting that it isn't. Christ used it as the basis for his parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins. He used topics that were familiar to the people of his times. Such as sowing seeds, vineyards, and in this case polygamy. All I am attempting to do is encourage thinking.
MWayneW 3 years ago
Thats a metaphor. Everything in the bible isnt supposed to be taken literally.
Brides = the churches, not literal brides. Groom=God
Jesus spoke in parables which werent supposed to be taken literally.
lain789 3 years ago
Exactly, the metaphor used by Christ in this parable to convey the meaning/message was polygamy. This will not fit into many Christians paradigms but it must fit into some because of the many Pro-polygamy Christian web sites that exist. We may not agree. I just offer this to think upon.
MWayneW 3 years ago
The Messiah never uses a sinful situation as a parable. God is not where there is Sin. Remember that.
DreamGyrl360 3 years ago
"I will forgive whom I will forgive, but unto you it is to forgive all men." The metaphor of the watchfull shepherd who leaves the 90 and 9 until the one who is lost is safe and .the parable of the prodigal son is also relevant.
The Lord's business is his own. He lived in a
polygamous society, it was Justinian who banned polygamy, and this in no way changed Abrahamic Law.Iranian Law banning polygamy allows murder of, Suni Refugees.
DadsBlueAngel 2 years ago
This is not about the literal meaning. Sure that may be the meaning but what on earth would have been the reason for using the "polygamy" parable. This was a common practice in that culture & society. I don't think the bible ever actually denounces the practice-does it? This all together makes me question the validity of it. Scriptures have been twisted to benefit the political & societal gamet throughout history. That being said how do we really know what is wrong or right?
rpmess 3 years ago 2
just to clarify (Mormons)or latter day saints do not practice polygamy.Any one who does is excommunicated. So don't get confused lds= no polygamy.
ldsandproudofit 4 years ago
LDS (officially post-1890)= no polygamy.
But FLDS= polygamy (they are Mormons too you know!
And many Mormon sects out there practice polygamy. LDS are not the only Mormons!
RMormon 4 years ago
Clarification: There is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Mormon was originally a deragatory term given to members of the Church of Jesus Christ because they read from the Book of Mormon. Mormon was an ancient prophet that lived on the American continent who helped to compose the books in the Book of Mormon, which was then translated by Joseph Smith.
ScottsdaleStylee 3 years ago
We know that, but even LDS leaders now tend to use the term and claim they are the only Mormons. A bit as if Orthodox Jews claimed Conservative or Reform Jews were not Jews. Well, Fundamentalist, Independent or Reform Mormons are also Mormons whether the LDS majority likes it or not.
RMormon 3 years ago
RMormon -- You contradict yourself. First you claim to know what a "Mormon" is and then you claim "fundamentalist, independent, or reform" churches are also Mormon. It appears that you have re-defined the term "Mormon," and no longer really understand what it represents today. Mormons are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Period.
ScottsdaleStylee 3 years ago
Scottsdale, you have your definition of Mormonism, or rather the LDS definition of Mormonism that you fully accept and do not question! The Catholic Church didn't accept the Protestant as Christians and let me remind you that most Christians don't accept LDS Mormons as Christians either. If LDS Mormons claim Fundamentalist Mormons or Reform Mormons are not Mormons, I don't care. I don't need your approval to define myself and my faith. I can govern myself like the Prophet Joseph Smith declared.
RMormon 3 years ago
RMormon -- I am confused by what you are saying and why you are saying it. Are you a member of the fundamentalist Mormons, RLDS, or Community church of Christ? If so, I'd love to talk to you more about it.
ScottsdaleStylee 3 years ago
I am a Reform Mormon. No connection with LDS Mormonism.
RMormon 3 years ago
I have never heard of a Reform Mormon. Please tell me more about what you believe.
Also, everyone should watch the General Conference for the Church of Jesus Christ, it is televised on cable in most markets from 12-2pm and 4-6pm (EST) on Sat and Sun.
Check it out.
ScottsdaleStylee 3 years ago
Just to clarify. LDS still practice polygamy but only when a man is widowed and is re-married and sealed to a second wife in the temple. A man can only do this if his wifes keep dying on him. He can be married and sealed in the temple to as many women that dies or leave him. A woman cannot do this because LDS do not believe in multiple husbands. You really need to learn more about your religion buddy.
janilee7 3 years ago
janilee7 -- Just to clarify, polygamy is marriage to more than one woman. If a woman dies, then the couple is no longer legally married and therefore are NOT polygamists.
ScottsdaleStylee 3 years ago
Well, if you are talking legally recognized by the state then your statement is true. But in terms of the after life (celestial kingdom) according to the LDS church then you are married to more than one wife and that you will still have all the wives you married in the next life which according to the The D&C you must accept plural marriage in order to enter into the celestial kingdom. The LDS church claims they don't teach about polygamy but when they seal men who are widowed to more than one.
janilee7 3 years ago
janilee7 -- The D&C does not teach that you have to accept plural marriage to enter into the celestial kingdom. It teaches that you must have faith in Jesus Christ, repent, be baptized, and endure to the end to enter the celestial kingdom.
Also, your argument is based upon the assumption that you accept that the LDS church has the authority to act in the name of God. It also assumes that you accept the biblical teaching regarding the kingdoms of glory. If so, then great!
ScottsdaleStylee 3 years ago
I recommend you read D&C 132.
janilee7 3 years ago
polygamist was probably started by a bunch of horny guys who like to sleep with multiple women.
emmarogo 4 years ago 5
Wow what a douchebag, the blonde is 10x hotter than that scrubby brunette. But what can I say, he's an illogical mormon like the rest. Lamanites my ass, my ancestors nor myself as well as the rest of my native brothers and sisters have one drop of blood remotely relating to the middle east. Joe Smith is a lying piece of crap! Long live DNA tests. All My Relations!
dakoteyah26 4 years ago
Hmm. You do realize that these are actors, and that this is a fictional movie based on a true story, but not the true story, as the "Polygamy and Me" video is. So perhaps the blond representation was misleading. In fact, the brunette and the "husband" actors were, I think, engaged at the time. So I thought it would work better with that combo. Just a directing decision.
deseradi 4 years ago
"So I thought it would work better with that combo. Just a directing decision."
Well done in that aspect the combo worked rather well. More emotion was put in the good looking blonde that was getting raw end of the relationship. Nicely worked.
dakoteyah26 4 years ago
Having a mate is more important than your eternal soul? God is the only freedom from lonliness. There is so much to life when your free, why bind yourself? This reminds me of Leah and Rachel. God was not happy with the situation, it is very clear from Genesis 29.
angelawwjd 4 years ago 2
in New york city the ratio of men to women is 1:7, if all men get married in that city, there will be 4 million women without husbands, so the only solution for them is polygamy, unless they want turn themselves into lesbians, so there is no choice for the poor women. you have been mocking islam for polygamy now you face the reality.
ResuscitaterALI 4 years ago
your logic presupposes that one should have sex, otherwise life is stupid. this is what worries me about you, Islam, Mormons, and other pseudoteachings.
brooklyn358 4 years ago 2
lol you must be without hormones.
that is human instinct.
ResuscitaterALI 4 years ago
I think the secret is to get 21 like brigham did. that way, you don't have enough time to fill up their heads.
chadandbarby 4 years ago
carm . org/evidence/textualevidence . htm
ao . net/~fmoeller/qa-tran . htm
The Bible is complete and will stand forever.
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 4 years ago
star wars is rad!
jizbotika 4 years ago
haha a Mormon stud, now this is fiction
FastEddie11111 4 years ago
THE BEST MOVE A MUSLIM WOMAN CAN MAKE IS to get out , don't be insulted & disrespected like this girls !!!!!!!!!
maggie642 4 years ago
what does islam have to do with this??
desikitteh 4 years ago 2
real mormons only have one wife. there is no need for more than one now. what kind of man would actually want more than one.
therflo13 4 years ago
Operah had stats saying :
50 Million over 18 females in The USA are single
That is more than 51% of the whole population over 18
shorty40merza 4 years ago
that was sad and sick
777children 4 years ago
LDS are not polygamists people! Second off that would suck to know your spouse loved someone more then you.
dizzyvertigo 4 years ago
Typically, no. But I was LDS when I married a polygamist. And secondly--yeah, it does suck, that's the point.
deseradi 4 years ago
why did you marry one then? Obviously you weren't abiding by the Lds teachings, since Polygamy is against todays teachings.
Utahmam 4 years ago
True. But at the time I became convinced that the LDS church was wrong to abandon polygamy and consecration and that they had gone astray. I felt that we had a right to live plural marriage and that it was a higher law and would bring more blessings. So we got married in secret and tried to stay in the Church, which actually worked for me for years. That is the basic polygamist plan. Try to stay in the LDS church if you can. Depends on the group they're in.
deseradi