@Sam6G72 LMFAO in your face. you just can't handle the fact that the info is correct and you are wrong. lol i don't understand what i said? lol you're just so mad that you clearly lost to my statement. what have we learn today kids? you better go to school before you end up a dumb ass like sam6g72. and FYI F1 still puts the limit to 1.5L on turbo charger. and you keep saying that the 1.5L turbo is stronger that the 3L v8, v10 are you talking about turbo charge motor or n/a?? make up your mind
@Sam6G72 you said i plagiarize when im just trying to show you the facts. youre so sad you got nothing else to say. you want me to reword the text for you? i dont have the time for that. and you clear that proved me right since you said i plagiarized, it must have came from a source that backed me up. and i can find more sources like that whether its online or in the library. so please i think you need lessons from me. and you sound like youre piled in shit and cant find your way out
@Sam6G72 you said i plagiarize when im just trying to show you the facts. youre so sad you got nothing else to say. you want me to reword the text for you? i dont have the time for that. and you clear that proved me right since you said i plagiarized, it must have came from a source that backed me up. and i can find more sources like that whether its online or in the library. so please i think you need lessons from me. and you sound like youre piled in shit and cant find your way out
@Sam6G72 and the facts that the twin turbo has better efficiency just means it can boost quicker. you clearly know nothing. a big single turbo can make the same horse but with some lag. and i showed you the 700 + hp twin at 13psi compare to your motor at 25+ psi to prove that the vq can make the same horses at the lower psi level there fore at the higher psi level it will make even more
@Sam6G72 you said that we not talking about n/a motor and yet you keep comparing turbo motor to n/a motor. "1.5 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder Formula motors made more power than the 3 liter V10 F1 NA motors."
@Sam6G72@Sam6G72 its hard to argue with you when you know nothing. you're the one that brought up the fact that displacement do nothing in the hp potential area therefore i was saying youre stupid this whole time. and to recap please look at this vid of the vq making 1500 hp
@Sam6G72 you can look at it in my channel. and i've switching subjects because you were comparing your motor to all the other motor. just reread your shit
@nuhathann And there are ALOT more 8,9, and 10 seconds Evos then there are 350Z's and there are way more built Evos with 900-1500 than there are built 350'z with that much horsepower. Like I said, the 350Z and 370Zs are nice cars, but to say they have more potential than an Evo in any way, shape, or form, is a flat out lie. Several tuners like Cobb, AMS, etc. who tunes Evos, also love to tune GTR's, not 350Z's. There is a reason for that. 350Z has much lower potential.
@Sam6G72 and i am done talking to the likes of you. you are beyond helps. you said youre an engineer but you forgot to mention what department. being a electrical or chemical engineer isn't gunna help you in this debate faggot. you got so many fallacies in your statements, making you not very credible at all
@nuhathann And you need to spend alot of money to make a 350Z run an 11 second quartermile, an Evo only needs bolt ons and a tune, everything else stock. I know someone with a turbo 370Z pushing like 500WHP and he still sucks in the quarter mile, while my buddies stock turbo and stock engine Evo does 11's in the quarter mile. twin turbo will obviously produce more HP at a lower PSI than a single turbo 4 cylinder, however that doesn't mean it will make more maximum power at high PSI.
@SamiulIslaam no twin turbo will not produce more hp at lower psi. thats wrong. it will reduce lag but not more hp. smaller turbo at 8psi is just the same as a big turbo at 8psi or two small turbo at 8 psi. thats a fact. people use large single to make really high hp because it can make really high psi at the cost of turbo lag the smaller turbo wont be able to produce the large psi or even hold it at high rpm.
@nuhathann You should have learned about thermodynamics and effieciency in engineering. The higher RPM that a turbo spins, the more heat it will create, and the lower the efficiency will be. A larger turbo at 26 PSI does not need to spin as fast as small turbo creating 26 PSI. Thats why if you upgrade a stock Evo turbo to an FP turbo, or GT35R, etc. It puts down way more HP at the same PSI. Efficiency = more HP, less heat. The same thing applies for twin turbo vs. 1 turbo of equal size.
@SamiulIslaam i understand what youre saying and i think the evo is ownage, having to drive one on the track before, i dont think i can ever beat one unless the driver is chicken shit. i even said that i know the integrity of a motor is very important and not any larger displacement motor can handle high horse. i believe though with money the vq can be made to be bulletproof with very large ports and then it comes down to displacement.
@SamiulIslaam and to be honest i wasnt really talking about peak horse power. im sorry if it came out that way. i was so focused on proving that displacment matters because i thought he said that displacement didnt matter. anywaise im done.
@nuhathann You're right that bigger turbos are capable of higher peak PSI but they also make more HP at all PSI levels due to efficiency. The reason that smaller turbos can spike up to like 32 PSI but then drop down to like 25 PSI at redline is because of efficiency.....its operating at such high RPM to make that PSI that it is losing efficiency. If you check out the Evo forums you can see that people who upgraded to larger turbos make more HP at the same and even lower PSI.
@SamiulIslaam yeah youre right but i think it depends on what turbo youre comparing some small turbo might be able to handle it self up to at least 20psi like the gt2871r.
@nuhathann For example, a stock turbo Evo X can make close to 400 WHP spiking at 32 PSI and coming down to around 27 PSI at redline. Compare that to a ETS 3586 turbo, at 27 PSI it can make near 600 WHP.
@nuhathann Yeah I agree, some small turbos are amazing, I actually prefer small turbos because no lag, quick boost and LOTS of low end torque. That's why I like the Evo X stock turbo. I love feeling that "torque bubble".
@SamiulIslaam same same i prefer quick boost over high horse more fun on street. which is why i was prefering the vq because of the displacement but whatever i think there are alot of potential in that motor however there are more people tuning the evo because it is so well balanced so you see more evo making really high horses
@nuhathann You are a mechanical engineer? What school and who were your math and engineering teachers? It's hard to believe that you're a mechanical engineer when it seems that you really dont seem to understand fluid dynamics. On a forced induction motor, velocity, pressure, and density are much more important factors than displacement. Displacement would probably be towards the bottom of the list for determining HP potential when talking about pressurized applications.
@SamiulIslaam no i dont wanna compare a 350z to a evo because i know the evo is a very well balanced car. im not a hater also i like my 350z but i also working on the ej20 for my gc8. you say velocity and pressure and density are much more important but can you clarify? is it the velocity and pressure and density of the turbo? i know that stock for stock the evo block will knock the vq out of the park but with money the vq could be made bulletproof.
lol i got all the sensitive evo guy all worked up. i never said the 350z could beat the evo around the track i was talking about the powerplant.
wow stock 4 banger block can hold 600 hp + ? for how long? show me. you guys clearly dont know anything about turbo charging and what engine size has to do with turbo spooling. its not about peak power its about the powerband and torque curve. most of the evo i've seen with 600+ hp has stroker kit to increase volume. so please do some homework.
@nuhathann If anyone clearly has no idea about turbo charging, its you. You wanna argue power curve? Stock turbo Evos are known for excellent power curves as well as TONS of torque from their little 2 liter 4 banger. My stock turbo and stock block Evo X is putting down 400 WTQ on a mustang dyno at 3200 RPM, most V8's dont even make that kind of torque. And Yes, 600HP at the crank(not WHP) has been done safely many times on stock block, just check the Evo forums.
@Sam6G72 lmfao lmfao LOLLLLLLL youre saying displacement dont matter on a turbo charger!!!!! lmfaooooo enough said i thought you knew your shit. i aint even gunna go on. and you wanna compare a built 4g63 block against a stock vq block? cosworth makes very good low compression vq35de. omfg youre such a noobbbbbbb. and oh please... are you trying to tell me that a 4 banger can hit full boost on the same turbo faster than the v6? nicely done embarassing your self
@nuhathann Let's see who is embarrassing himself. Why are you changing your argument? Why are you lying about what I said? Why are you putting words in my mouth? When did I compare a built 4G63 to a built VQ35de? A stock 4G63 or a stock 4B11 are both stronger than a VQ35de....built is even stronger. When did I say a 4 hits boost faster than a 6? I never said that, however a stock Evo or stock frame Evo spools relatively quick. Spool time was not your original argument, why change subject?
@nuhathann You said, yes you, nuhathann said: "a v6 3.5l has more hp potential, that's all im saying". Thats WRONG, no it doesn't. HP potential is not determined by whether or not its a "a V6 3.5l". Thats incorrect, noob. You wanna talk about Cosworth? They love Evos, thats why they use the picture of an Evo on their website lol, they will tell you that the 4G63 and 4B11 are both superior to the VQ35. Most tuners and engine builders will tell you the same. It's well known.
@nuhathann I guess you like to laugh alot when you have nothing intelligent to say.......however I think its pretty clear that everyone reading your comments is laughing at you and recognizing you as a clown. Your assumption that displacement determines HP potential is clearly wrong. There are several examples of 2 liter, 2.5 liter, 2.6 liter, and 3 liter engines that have more HP potential than engines larger than 4 liter(in V8, V10, and V12).
@Sam6G72 lol im laughing because you clearly dont even know the basic. youre telling me that a 2L has more hp potential than a v8, 10, 12. then tell me why they make stroker kit to increase displacement in an engine???? god i know a good motor has to have good integrity like when you compare a vq35de to a vq35hr but ultimately its the displacement that helps when spooling the turbo and helping it reach full boost quicker. it also means that you can run at a lower psi and realize the same power.
@nuhathann You changed the subject, we aren't discussing spool times, many factors effect spool time, such as over square, compression, cam timing, how lean your A/F is during spool, etc. And the reason why some Evos go to 2.1 or 2.3 liter is because they rebuild their engines anyways for big turbos and many of them are pushing 900 - 1200 AWHP. 2.3 liter does help with spool up when you're using a big turbo, but it does not increase the HP potential of the motor. You're still wrong.
@Sam6G72 lol just show how stubborn and stupid you are. aside from the factor you mentioned displacement plays a big part in spool time and you are still retarded. and f1 limited the motor from 3Lto 2.4L to restrict the power level. i just proved my point that displacement does matter if youre still retarded go argue with the best mechanical engineer out there. and there are vq out there hitting 600 + hp on twin turbo at 13psi compare to your motor hitting 600 +hp at 25 + psi.
@nuhathann I am an engineer, you're obviously not, you FAIL. I never said displacement plays a big part, I said it helps spool up time a little on setups with huge turbos. So you either just lied or you suck at reading, or both. And again, spool time has nothing to do with HP potential. You FAIL again. Twin turbo at 13 PSI is still 2 turbos pushing boost rather than 1 which means higher flow efficiency, but you probably have no idea why that is do you? Ofcourse not.
@nuhathann I'm stubborn and stupid? I have addressed and refuted everything you have said and what is your reply? You have not address anything I've said, you just keep repeating the same bullshit. It doesn't matter how much power your motor makes on 13 PSI, because it still doesn't have the HP potential of a 4G63 or 4B11. Spool up time has nothing to do with HP potential and I have proven that over and over, but you have FAILED to respond to that, you just keep repeating the same bullshit.
@nuhathann Naturally aspirated motors obviously make more power with displacement, however we aren't talking about naturally aspirated motors. The HP potential of a turbo motor is not determined by displacement, its determined by its ability to hold high boost at high RPM. And again, spool up time doesn't effect racing, because when you race you race in boost. Do you drive an automatic or something because with a manual you can rev into your boost range.
@nuhathann You said, "i just proved my point that displacement does matter". Your point is "displacement matters". GREAT POINT LOL wow I feel sorry for even addressing you. You lack knowledge and you lack ability to debate. When you say displacement matters, do you mean it helps spool up time? Do you mean it makes more power on NA motors? OK great, but that has nothing to do with your orginal point which was a VQ35 has "more HP potential" than a 4G63 or 4B11. Thats still WRONG, YOU FAIL
@Sam6G72 you have fail again. displacement matters about everything in a motor. A turbocharger is a method of forcing more air into the combustion chamber, using the car's exhaust gases. The more air we move, the more power we make. There is an increase in fuel consumption, but the power increase tends to be greater than using a larger engine with similar fuel consumption. you are so stupid you need to go back to what ever shitty college you went to.
@nuhathann HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you're so knowledgeable and you're such a mechanical engineer that you copy pasted this irrelevant info right from a random website, "A turbocharger is a method of forcing more air into the combustion chamber, using the car's exhaust gases. The more air we move, the more power we make. There is an increase in fuel consumption, but the power increase tends to be greater than using a larger engine with similar fuel consumption" HAHAHAHAHAHAH
@Sam6G72 lol all you can do is laugh but you know that the info is correct and you are once again just laughing because you got nothing else to say. it is irrelevant where the info comes from and just open any text and they will tell you the same thing.
@nuhathann Nice attempt at trying to sound intelligent after getting your asshole ripped through your face HAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOW you're so stupid you don't even understand the info that you're copying and pasting while acting like you said it HA HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA shut up dumbass go read the statements of the FIA and FOM, they are planning on the FUTUTE 1.5 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder engines to be even MORE powerful(and efficient) than the 3 liter V8/V10 motors.
@nuhathann You got caught plagiarizing HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH did you plagiarize in school too? H AHHAH A HAH AH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH IDIOT
I'm sure you're an egineer H AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH I can't breathe hahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha
@nuhathann Fact = 1.5 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder Formula motors made more power than the 3 liter V10 F1 NA motors. You still FAIL. And now I know you're copy pasting irrelevant info from random sites to try to sound smart HA HAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice try again faggot.
@nuhathann I'm done replying to you hahahahhahahahahahah wow I feel sorry for you. I wasn't taking you seriously before but now............LOL I don't even know what to call it. You proved to be even lower on the scum list than where I previously placed you LOOOOL............arguing with you is like arguing with a rock.........except the rock is smarter and doesn't copy paste random things from the internet and refute itself. H AH AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA H AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHH
@nuhathann Oh yeah almost forgot, since you PRETEND to know about F1 racing, let me take you to school real quick. Based on statements from FIA and FOM it looks like the next big change in F1 will be changing the engine to 1.5 liter 4 cylinder turbo. Before F1 went to 3 liter engines the Renault 1.5 liter turbo motors were making 900HP in race trim and over 1500HP in qualifying trim. The BMW 1.5 liter F1 motors were also making around 1300HP in qualifying trim.
@Sam6G72 and i call bullshit on your statement that all f1 cars used 4 cylinder turbo. the limit were 3L on N/a car and 1.5L on F/i cars showing you that they know displacement does matter cap the displacement at those level. and still most of them used n/a. so youre statement that "Before F1 went to 3 liter engines the Renault 1.5 liter turbo motors were making 900HP in race trim and over 1500HP in qualifying trim." is bullshit. more than half of those turbo motors were v6.
@nuhathann Anyone can search those words in google and see that you're just copy pasting random and irrelevant sentences from turbcharging and displacement sites to sound smart H AHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I searched your stolen quotes in google and found you to be a poser H AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice job faggot
@Sam6G72 you say that the info refutes me but you dont explains how so who the dumbass? you. you even said the the bigger turbo at the same level of psi will push more hp, this shows how ignorance you are. bigger turbo are used so that they can push higher psi therefore increasing the hp. smaller turbo will choke at higher rpm range but if its both run the same lower psi = same performance. you are clearly stupid
@nuhathann Anyways, I've had enough reading of comments for this video, lol, I'm outta here, no hard feelings.....but I sincerely advise you to take your car for what it is and stop trying to convince people that a larger displacement engine automatically has more HP potential. Because if you really are a mech. eng. then you should know that when you introduce boost, many other factors come into play such as valve/cam timing, crank/rod/piston strength, RPM limit, head design, etc.
@Sam6G72 anyone can search. clearly you search also LOLLLLL trying to counter by googling my statement. you are just a stupid kid. but its good that youre searching because then you know im correct and youre stupid
@nuhathann OH by the way, whats even funnier is I dont even think you UNDERSTAND what you're copy and pasting, because that information refutes you HA HAH AHHAH AH AH AH A HAH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHAH dumbass kid.
@Sam6G72 lol you think i dont understand? but can you prove the info refutes me? lol of course not because it doesn't. your dad probably feed you his dicks so much youre getting dumber by the seconds.
@nuhathann It doesnt look like anyone is replying to you anymore, and I can see why, I read most of the comments, and you basically got destroyed and were unable to prove your point that the 350Z motor has more potential than an Evo motor. I read most of the comments and I didn't see anyone saying that displacement doesn't matter, from what I understand from Sam6G72's post is that he said displacement alone is not the factor to determine horsepower potential, which is correct.
@nuhathann more displacement may get you more power on an NA motor and a little more power at lower PSI on a turbo motor, but that doesn't determine the horsepower potential of a motor. You can have a 10 liter engine that can't hold much PSI so therefore even though that motor would make more power at lower PSI, the maximum HP potential is still lower when you're talking about boost.
@nuhathann The bottomline is if you're happy with your 350Z then thats good because its a nice car, but to say that it has more horsepower potential than a 4G63 or the new 4B11 because its a larger engine is false. Even if it makes more power at a lower PSI, that still has nothing to do with the maximum amount of power that the engine will safely and reliably hold. The stock Evo motors are much stronger than the stock 350Z motor...
@nuhathann And that was way back in 1986 with old technology... then they went to 3 liter NA motors and lost almost 1000HP, they were only making around 550 back then, it wasn't until around 2005 that they were making 800-900 HP from the 3 liter NA motors. But the original 1.5 liter turbo 4 cylinder engines were the most powerful and looks like we will be going back to the 1.5 liter inline 4 turbo in the future. Don't open your mouth unless you actually know what you're talking about, noob.
@Sam6G72 youre the one that said displacement doesnt matter lol. youre the noob because f1 still did limit their displacement to limit the power potential of these things. and keep in mind that those 1.5 L turbo were not aluminum casting. they did put a limit on those too keeping it at 1.5L.
@Sam6G72 and since you want to take me me to school. let a real mechanical engineer teach you about the basic. an engine displacement is the measurement of how much air/fuel mixture it can move in one cycle, simply how much work it gets done. now turbo compresses air into a motor at level of psi the higher the psi the higher the hp. the bigger the displacement the more work the motor gets done. why do you completely ignore the basic if youre an engineer?
@nuhathann Are you even reading anything? YOU GOT OWNED, WOW, if I were you I would be embarrassed to ever show my face in public. You got owned, pwned, destroyed, raped, whatever you want to call it. Just total and utter destruction.
@nuhathann you said, "i know a good motor has to have good integrity like when you compare a vq35de to a vq35hr but ultimately its the displacement that helps when spooling the turbo and helping it reach full boost quicker". This statement is irrelevant because we're not discussing spool up times. We were discussing HP potential. Evo motor is stronger, makes more torque, holds more boost, has a higher usable HP limit based on traction, etc. etc. Turbo lag doesn't effect race performance.
@Sam6G72 please explain to me why they make stroker kit to increase displacement. can you compare youre torque at the bottom end with a v8 and see how far the corvette will leave you behind before you even reach full boost? once against if you like to say anything go check injected performance and the vq35de that made 400 hp on 8 psi and compare that to what your engine can make at 8 psi. i just destroyed you
@nuhathann I already explained the reason for slightly increasing displacement when rebuilding the internals for a much bigger turbo. It's obvious that you have never done any actual racing on a roadcourse or even drag with a turbo vehicle because NOBODY races in the RPM range below where the turbo is spooled up. Turbo lag mainly effects everyday driving, not racing. vette? I make more torque than a new 7 liter Z06, one of the baddest cars on the road. Evos usually take Z06's off the line.
@nuhathann Also, the amount of HP that a particular engine makes at a given PSI, does not determine HP potential, so again, stop changing subjects, you're not proving your point by changing the subject. But just to prove that you destroyed yourself, a larger turbo on 8 PSI will obviously make more HP than smaller turbo on 8 PSI and 2 small turbos on 8 psi will make more power than 1 small turbo on 8PSI.........however that doesn't determine the HP potential of a motor. You're still wrong.
@Sam6G72 and if you still think youre so right, go tell the F1 car engineer to create a inline 2 L 4 banger N/A that can produce 800hp. All of them uses v8 or v10 and before the ban on the 3L and restriction to only 4 valves, those 3L v10 can reach to 1000hp +. they limited the displacement to limit the power level. i just destroyed you again
@nuhathann You didn't destroy anything, you actually REFUTED yourself and PROVED my point. A 3 liter is a relativiely small disaplacement for a V8 or V10 engine. The reason for small displacement and many cylinders is for very high RPM(15000+) in naturally aspirated motors. The way to get full power out of a NA motor is not the same approach in making power with forced induction. I make more low/mid torque than a Z06, even if I dont launch, a Z06 does not catch up until 3rd gear. Ignorance.
@nuhathann Your original argument was that a 3.5 liter V6 350Z has more HP potential than a 2 liter 4G63 or 4B11. That's incorrect. Did you forget your original argument? Just go back and read it. Because all you're doing now is trying to change the subject to various different subjects in an attempt to overwhelm me with false refutations. Thats a weak debate tactic and its not working. I recommend you stop looking like a clown and gain some knowledge before you spread false information.
@nuhathann the AMS 2.1 L Evo makes around 1181 AWHP, thats around 1400 crank HP. There is another 2.0 L Evo VIII that makes around 1014 AWHP which is over 1200 HP at the crank. You can talk about turbo spool and whatever the hell your tiny brain allows, but the fact of the matter is that turbo lag doesn't effect its performance, its still an 8 second car all day any day and its streetable and can be set to street specs. So again, save your bullshit arguments.
@nuhathann But back to the original argument. You said a 350Z has "more HP potential" than an Evo because the 350Z has a "3.5 liter V6". This is a wrong, ignorant, false, and stupid statement. Any intelligent and literate person can read the comments and understand why what you said is wrong. I'm sure you also know that you're wrong, but instead of admitting it, you're using insincere tactics by changing the subject and "going around" the issue. But its not working, you sound stupid.
@nuhathann My torque doesn't come from my engine, it comes from my boost......however my engines ability to handle high boost is what allows me to make torque like that. a 350Z is not really a torquey engine compared to a 4G63 or 4B11.........thats why a 400WHP Evo runs 11's, its because of traction(AWD) and torque(high boost). Most 400WHP 350z's aren't that fast at drag because 1, they have no traction to launch and 2, the engines don't produce much torque even on boost.
@nuhathann Tuning the cam timing also allows lots of torque to be made. The Evo X has adjustable MIVEC on the intake and exhaust side so for high boost when you advance the timing you're basically creating a longer duration which again allows for a shit load of torque with boost. the Evo IX has adjustable MIVEC on 1 side which allows for pretty good torque as well. If I were you, I would definitely stop sounding stupid on the internet and go and gain some knowledge.
@nuhathann But all that is besides the original point you TRIED to make. You said that a 350Z has more "HP potential" than an Evo because it has a 3.5 liter V6. This is definitely wrong, in many different ways......There are HUNDREDS of other factors that determine HP potential besides displacement or number of cylinders, especially when talking about turbo engines. You have proven that you not only make up stuff to feel better about your car, but you lack any knowledge of engines.
@nuhathann Racing is done ON BOOST.......during all forms of racing the engine is on boost except between shifts so off boost performance really shouldn't matter unless you're a really shitty driver......which I'm assuming you are based on your total lack of intelligence.
@nuhathann And there were stock block Evos making around 700 WHP(over 800 at the crank) but that motor didn't last long, because that is obviously pushing it, but my stock 4B11 regularly spikes at 32+ PSI with no problems and hold 25-27 PSI. That kind of boost on a stock 350Z will blow it to hell. So what did we learn? We learned that your 3.5 liter motor does not have more "HP potential". End of story. Please research next time.
retards... stock usdm evo isnt any better than a z33 track. have you guys ever even own one or do some dyno??? dealer power rating for cars arnt very accurate mofos.... have you ever been inside a z and evo? fuck the z is way nicer... Evo got their 4wd sickness but when you start modding the 350z has a better base with the v6 3.5L powerplant.
BTW the evo isnt drifting its sliding. just because you saw the evo in tokyo drift, doesnt mean all evo can. that evo was rear wheel drive converted
@nuhathann this is bullshit, the Evo pulls 1G around turns, thats more than a GTR, try that in your slippery 350 or 370Z. I've owned 2 evos and now I have an Evo X and I can tell you a 350Z sucks in comparison if you're talking about performance. I ran stock quarter mile in 13.2 and 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and now with ONLY bolt ons and tune I have an 11 second car and 0-60 takes 3 secs. Stock Evo blocks holds more than 30 PSI, stock evo block can hold 600+ HP , so please, save the bullshit.
@nuhathann By the way, Evo owners know our interiors suck, but we didn't buy our cars for the interior, we bought them to rape posers like you at the track.
@nuhathann Doesn't really matter what you're saying, because what you're saying is clearly wrong. Just because an engine has more displacement does not mean it has more HP potential than a smaller engine. When it comes to forced induction, its all about the design and integrity of the motor, not the displacement. There are much larger engines that can not handle the amount of boost that a 4G63 or 4B11 can. Its about strength, built Evo motors have made over 1400HP.
@nuhathann@nuhathann VQ35 is not known to be strong like the 4G63, or the 2JZG, or the RB26, etc. etc......so to say that it has more HP potential because its bigger than those engines is, what I said before, bullshit. Don't make up imaginary concepts such as "a V6 3.5l has more hp protential". You also said that the 350Z powerplant is a "better base". Thats also wrong, 350Z has a weaker motor, less HP potential, less traction, inferior handling, weaker trans, etc. Don't make up stuff.
@cdawg1113 are you fucking retarded??? Can you even read?? The evo beats the z any time, dont give a fuck if you think the z is a great car! The EVO takes it any time!
my gf has an 06 Evo 9. I've got to say that i love the car in everyway. Evo also comes with Brembos Catfootball...
I have the 03 350 z performance and i love it as well. Sorta depends on the mood what to drive and when. I can deff say tho if you hook up an evo its more of a quick weekend driving car not so much a daily driver. besides the Turbo sucks down gas. my Z is not a daily either but i love driving it as much as i can in good weather of course. Both cars are amazing.
I am a z owner and it is a good car if you want the looks the performance and keep it as a daily driver. The car looks sexier then a evo but if you're looking at everything else it is somewhat true the evo is .5 seconds faster in 0-60 time weighs less and is 4 wheel drive which makes the launch a lot better. I would say that both cars handle real well but the evo again is more built for racing then the 350z i love my z but an evo will own a z in everything except drifting of course. ;-)
The evo is faster than the 350z first of all. Second of all the EVO comes with Enkei rims AND Brembo brakes as well. The EVO is AWD. and pretty much outperforms the 350z in every aspect.
u guys r stupid my friend has one it depends wat model u hav u dumb asses most vids of z r freaken z that r bone stock and automatic my frndz is 07 grand touruing and it owns evo9 mr's so fuck off
urm yeah this evo is deffinitly an AWD car.and they are AWD FROM THE FACTORY!!!hence why its an evolution not the shitty lancer.this one not even converted to rWD. all it would take to make a evo RWD would be take out the front cv shafts not much conversiopn needed lol.besides look the way he is drifting in cricles. rarely counter steers
nice 350z...that car should have been turbo or supercharged from the factory. i dont know what nissan was thinkin...guess they were gonna use the age old excuse..."it would cost too much"
You are so right...Should be turboed from the getgo Instead we have to forked up another 10 grand or more...Some of us don't have the time to take to shop and have it done..
that does not look like an evo. evo is much bigger and the tail lights dont match it.
causally 7 months ago
@causally looks like either a 4 or a 5. Maybe the widescreen camera capture threw off the look. (Just my guess)
bmx687 6 months ago
Nic cars but I would choose the Z
grpanos13 7 months ago
that 350z is nice! i like how the rims are nice but not flashy. their sporty :)
ProgressionFilms 8 months ago
@ProgressionFilms you got cheap taste... those are cheap ass wheels lol
FATLACE420 8 months ago
LOL @ the dog
XxAtomic646xX 9 months ago
#TEAMiLOVEYOUREVO6!!!!
UPcomingBARBER08 9 months ago
DOG AWD Launch FTMFW!!!!!
yresistme 11 months ago
every evo is good except for X
psylover1991 11 months ago
@psylover1991 y u say the x is no good... even AMS performance said it's better than its predecessors...
yresistme 11 months ago
@yresistme no,no, dont get me wrong, i dont say its bad as a car, its just dont have Evo look :)
psylover1991 11 months ago
fucking sickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk yesss love it evo 6
Niggles4130 11 months ago
that evo is so fucking sick and lol @ the dog at the very end
thewindsurfguy 1 year ago
the dog is faster!!!!!!!!
TaniaNawel 1 year ago
350z (forever love) !!
TommygunnZ33 1 year ago 2
that evo 6 is sick
maximaman380 1 year ago
what year evo is that
RyTyTech 1 year ago
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SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
You got caught plagiarizing HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH did you plagiarize in school too? H AHHAH A HAH AH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH IDIOT
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 LMFAO in your face. you just can't handle the fact that the info is correct and you are wrong. lol i don't understand what i said? lol you're just so mad that you clearly lost to my statement. what have we learn today kids? you better go to school before you end up a dumb ass like sam6g72. and FYI F1 still puts the limit to 1.5L on turbo charger. and you keep saying that the 1.5L turbo is stronger that the 3L v8, v10 are you talking about turbo charge motor or n/a?? make up your mind
nuhathann 1 year ago
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@Sam6G72 you said i plagiarize when im just trying to show you the facts. youre so sad you got nothing else to say. you want me to reword the text for you? i dont have the time for that. and you clear that proved me right since you said i plagiarized, it must have came from a source that backed me up. and i can find more sources like that whether its online or in the library. so please i think you need lessons from me. and you sound like youre piled in shit and cant find your way out
nuhathann 1 year ago
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@Sam6G72 you said i plagiarize when im just trying to show you the facts. youre so sad you got nothing else to say. you want me to reword the text for you? i dont have the time for that. and you clear that proved me right since you said i plagiarized, it must have came from a source that backed me up. and i can find more sources like that whether its online or in the library. so please i think you need lessons from me. and you sound like youre piled in shit and cant find your way out
nuhathann 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 and the facts that the twin turbo has better efficiency just means it can boost quicker. you clearly know nothing. a big single turbo can make the same horse but with some lag. and i showed you the 700 + hp twin at 13psi compare to your motor at 25+ psi to prove that the vq can make the same horses at the lower psi level there fore at the higher psi level it will make even more
nuhathann 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 you said that we not talking about n/a motor and yet you keep comparing turbo motor to n/a motor. "1.5 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder Formula motors made more power than the 3 liter V10 F1 NA motors."
nuhathann 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 @Sam6G72 its hard to argue with you when you know nothing. you're the one that brought up the fact that displacement do nothing in the hp potential area therefore i was saying youre stupid this whole time. and to recap please look at this vid of the vq making 1500 hp
nuhathann 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 you can look at it in my channel. and i've switching subjects because you were comparing your motor to all the other motor. just reread your shit
nuhathann 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 and the info are not irrelevant. maybe to you because you are dumb as hell.
nuhathann 1 year ago
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@nuhathann And there are ALOT more 8,9, and 10 seconds Evos then there are 350Z's and there are way more built Evos with 900-1500 than there are built 350'z with that much horsepower. Like I said, the 350Z and 370Zs are nice cars, but to say they have more potential than an Evo in any way, shape, or form, is a flat out lie. Several tuners like Cobb, AMS, etc. who tunes Evos, also love to tune GTR's, not 350Z's. There is a reason for that. 350Z has much lower potential.
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 and i am done talking to the likes of you. you are beyond helps. you said youre an engineer but you forgot to mention what department. being a electrical or chemical engineer isn't gunna help you in this debate faggot. you got so many fallacies in your statements, making you not very credible at all
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann And you need to spend alot of money to make a 350Z run an 11 second quartermile, an Evo only needs bolt ons and a tune, everything else stock. I know someone with a turbo 370Z pushing like 500WHP and he still sucks in the quarter mile, while my buddies stock turbo and stock engine Evo does 11's in the quarter mile. twin turbo will obviously produce more HP at a lower PSI than a single turbo 4 cylinder, however that doesn't mean it will make more maximum power at high PSI.
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@SamiulIslaam no twin turbo will not produce more hp at lower psi. thats wrong. it will reduce lag but not more hp. smaller turbo at 8psi is just the same as a big turbo at 8psi or two small turbo at 8 psi. thats a fact. people use large single to make really high hp because it can make really high psi at the cost of turbo lag the smaller turbo wont be able to produce the large psi or even hold it at high rpm.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann You should have learned about thermodynamics and effieciency in engineering. The higher RPM that a turbo spins, the more heat it will create, and the lower the efficiency will be. A larger turbo at 26 PSI does not need to spin as fast as small turbo creating 26 PSI. Thats why if you upgrade a stock Evo turbo to an FP turbo, or GT35R, etc. It puts down way more HP at the same PSI. Efficiency = more HP, less heat. The same thing applies for twin turbo vs. 1 turbo of equal size.
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SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@SamiulIslaam i understand what youre saying and i think the evo is ownage, having to drive one on the track before, i dont think i can ever beat one unless the driver is chicken shit. i even said that i know the integrity of a motor is very important and not any larger displacement motor can handle high horse. i believe though with money the vq can be made to be bulletproof with very large ports and then it comes down to displacement.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@SamiulIslaam and to be honest i wasnt really talking about peak horse power. im sorry if it came out that way. i was so focused on proving that displacment matters because i thought he said that displacement didnt matter. anywaise im done.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann You're right that bigger turbos are capable of higher peak PSI but they also make more HP at all PSI levels due to efficiency. The reason that smaller turbos can spike up to like 32 PSI but then drop down to like 25 PSI at redline is because of efficiency.....its operating at such high RPM to make that PSI that it is losing efficiency. If you check out the Evo forums you can see that people who upgraded to larger turbos make more HP at the same and even lower PSI.
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@SamiulIslaam yeah youre right but i think it depends on what turbo youre comparing some small turbo might be able to handle it self up to at least 20psi like the gt2871r.
nuhathann 1 year ago
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@nuhathann For example, a stock turbo Evo X can make close to 400 WHP spiking at 32 PSI and coming down to around 27 PSI at redline. Compare that to a ETS 3586 turbo, at 27 PSI it can make near 600 WHP.
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@nuhathann Yeah I agree, some small turbos are amazing, I actually prefer small turbos because no lag, quick boost and LOTS of low end torque. That's why I like the Evo X stock turbo. I love feeling that "torque bubble".
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@SamiulIslaam same same i prefer quick boost over high horse more fun on street. which is why i was prefering the vq because of the displacement but whatever i think there are alot of potential in that motor however there are more people tuning the evo because it is so well balanced so you see more evo making really high horses
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann You are a mechanical engineer? What school and who were your math and engineering teachers? It's hard to believe that you're a mechanical engineer when it seems that you really dont seem to understand fluid dynamics. On a forced induction motor, velocity, pressure, and density are much more important factors than displacement. Displacement would probably be towards the bottom of the list for determining HP potential when talking about pressurized applications.
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@SamiulIslaam no i dont wanna compare a 350z to a evo because i know the evo is a very well balanced car. im not a hater also i like my 350z but i also working on the ej20 for my gc8. you say velocity and pressure and density are much more important but can you clarify? is it the velocity and pressure and density of the turbo? i know that stock for stock the evo block will knock the vq out of the park but with money the vq could be made bulletproof.
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Sam6G72 1 year ago
lol i got all the sensitive evo guy all worked up. i never said the 350z could beat the evo around the track i was talking about the powerplant.
wow stock 4 banger block can hold 600 hp + ? for how long? show me. you guys clearly dont know anything about turbo charging and what engine size has to do with turbo spooling. its not about peak power its about the powerband and torque curve. most of the evo i've seen with 600+ hp has stroker kit to increase volume. so please do some homework.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann If anyone clearly has no idea about turbo charging, its you. You wanna argue power curve? Stock turbo Evos are known for excellent power curves as well as TONS of torque from their little 2 liter 4 banger. My stock turbo and stock block Evo X is putting down 400 WTQ on a mustang dyno at 3200 RPM, most V8's dont even make that kind of torque. And Yes, 600HP at the crank(not WHP) has been done safely many times on stock block, just check the Evo forums.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 lmfao lmfao LOLLLLLLL youre saying displacement dont matter on a turbo charger!!!!! lmfaooooo enough said i thought you knew your shit. i aint even gunna go on. and you wanna compare a built 4g63 block against a stock vq block? cosworth makes very good low compression vq35de. omfg youre such a noobbbbbbb. and oh please... are you trying to tell me that a 4 banger can hit full boost on the same turbo faster than the v6? nicely done embarassing your self
nuhathann 1 year ago
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@nuhathann Let's see who is embarrassing himself. Why are you changing your argument? Why are you lying about what I said? Why are you putting words in my mouth? When did I compare a built 4G63 to a built VQ35de? A stock 4G63 or a stock 4B11 are both stronger than a VQ35de....built is even stronger. When did I say a 4 hits boost faster than a 6? I never said that, however a stock Evo or stock frame Evo spools relatively quick. Spool time was not your original argument, why change subject?
Sam6G72 1 year ago
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@nuhathann You said, yes you, nuhathann said: "a v6 3.5l has more hp potential, that's all im saying". Thats WRONG, no it doesn't. HP potential is not determined by whether or not its a "a V6 3.5l". Thats incorrect, noob. You wanna talk about Cosworth? They love Evos, thats why they use the picture of an Evo on their website lol, they will tell you that the 4G63 and 4B11 are both superior to the VQ35. Most tuners and engine builders will tell you the same. It's well known.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann I meant to type, "when did I compare a built 4G63 to a stock VQ35de?"
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann I guess you like to laugh alot when you have nothing intelligent to say.......however I think its pretty clear that everyone reading your comments is laughing at you and recognizing you as a clown. Your assumption that displacement determines HP potential is clearly wrong. There are several examples of 2 liter, 2.5 liter, 2.6 liter, and 3 liter engines that have more HP potential than engines larger than 4 liter(in V8, V10, and V12).
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 lol im laughing because you clearly dont even know the basic. youre telling me that a 2L has more hp potential than a v8, 10, 12. then tell me why they make stroker kit to increase displacement in an engine???? god i know a good motor has to have good integrity like when you compare a vq35de to a vq35hr but ultimately its the displacement that helps when spooling the turbo and helping it reach full boost quicker. it also means that you can run at a lower psi and realize the same power.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann You changed the subject, we aren't discussing spool times, many factors effect spool time, such as over square, compression, cam timing, how lean your A/F is during spool, etc. And the reason why some Evos go to 2.1 or 2.3 liter is because they rebuild their engines anyways for big turbos and many of them are pushing 900 - 1200 AWHP. 2.3 liter does help with spool up when you're using a big turbo, but it does not increase the HP potential of the motor. You're still wrong.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 lol just show how stubborn and stupid you are. aside from the factor you mentioned displacement plays a big part in spool time and you are still retarded. and f1 limited the motor from 3Lto 2.4L to restrict the power level. i just proved my point that displacement does matter if youre still retarded go argue with the best mechanical engineer out there. and there are vq out there hitting 600 + hp on twin turbo at 13psi compare to your motor hitting 600 +hp at 25 + psi.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann I am an engineer, you're obviously not, you FAIL. I never said displacement plays a big part, I said it helps spool up time a little on setups with huge turbos. So you either just lied or you suck at reading, or both. And again, spool time has nothing to do with HP potential. You FAIL again. Twin turbo at 13 PSI is still 2 turbos pushing boost rather than 1 which means higher flow efficiency, but you probably have no idea why that is do you? Ofcourse not.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann I'm stubborn and stupid? I have addressed and refuted everything you have said and what is your reply? You have not address anything I've said, you just keep repeating the same bullshit. It doesn't matter how much power your motor makes on 13 PSI, because it still doesn't have the HP potential of a 4G63 or 4B11. Spool up time has nothing to do with HP potential and I have proven that over and over, but you have FAILED to respond to that, you just keep repeating the same bullshit.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann Naturally aspirated motors obviously make more power with displacement, however we aren't talking about naturally aspirated motors. The HP potential of a turbo motor is not determined by displacement, its determined by its ability to hold high boost at high RPM. And again, spool up time doesn't effect racing, because when you race you race in boost. Do you drive an automatic or something because with a manual you can rev into your boost range.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann You said, "i just proved my point that displacement does matter". Your point is "displacement matters". GREAT POINT LOL wow I feel sorry for even addressing you. You lack knowledge and you lack ability to debate. When you say displacement matters, do you mean it helps spool up time? Do you mean it makes more power on NA motors? OK great, but that has nothing to do with your orginal point which was a VQ35 has "more HP potential" than a 4G63 or 4B11. Thats still WRONG, YOU FAIL
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 you have fail again. displacement matters about everything in a motor. A turbocharger is a method of forcing more air into the combustion chamber, using the car's exhaust gases. The more air we move, the more power we make. There is an increase in fuel consumption, but the power increase tends to be greater than using a larger engine with similar fuel consumption. you are so stupid you need to go back to what ever shitty college you went to.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you're so knowledgeable and you're such a mechanical engineer that you copy pasted this irrelevant info right from a random website, "A turbocharger is a method of forcing more air into the combustion chamber, using the car's exhaust gases. The more air we move, the more power we make. There is an increase in fuel consumption, but the power increase tends to be greater than using a larger engine with similar fuel consumption" HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 lol all you can do is laugh but you know that the info is correct and you are once again just laughing because you got nothing else to say. it is irrelevant where the info comes from and just open any text and they will tell you the same thing.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann Nice attempt at trying to sound intelligent after getting your asshole ripped through your face HAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOW you're so stupid you don't even understand the info that you're copying and pasting while acting like you said it HA HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA shut up dumbass go read the statements of the FIA and FOM, they are planning on the FUTUTE 1.5 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder engines to be even MORE powerful(and efficient) than the 3 liter V8/V10 motors.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 i feel sorry for an engineer like you. i am a mechanical engineer and thats one of the first thing i learned.
nuhathann 1 year ago
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@nuhathann You got caught plagiarizing HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH did you plagiarize in school too? H AHHAH A HAH AH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH IDIOT
I'm sure you're an egineer H AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH I can't breathe hahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann Fact = 1.5 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder Formula motors made more power than the 3 liter V10 F1 NA motors. You still FAIL. And now I know you're copy pasting irrelevant info from random sites to try to sound smart HA HAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice try again faggot.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann I'm done replying to you hahahahhahahahahahah wow I feel sorry for you. I wasn't taking you seriously before but now............LOL I don't even know what to call it. You proved to be even lower on the scum list than where I previously placed you LOOOOL............arguing with you is like arguing with a rock.........except the rock is smarter and doesn't copy paste random things from the internet and refute itself. H AH AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA H AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHH
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann Oh yeah almost forgot, since you PRETEND to know about F1 racing, let me take you to school real quick. Based on statements from FIA and FOM it looks like the next big change in F1 will be changing the engine to 1.5 liter 4 cylinder turbo. Before F1 went to 3 liter engines the Renault 1.5 liter turbo motors were making 900HP in race trim and over 1500HP in qualifying trim. The BMW 1.5 liter F1 motors were also making around 1300HP in qualifying trim.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 and i call bullshit on your statement that all f1 cars used 4 cylinder turbo. the limit were 3L on N/a car and 1.5L on F/i cars showing you that they know displacement does matter cap the displacement at those level. and still most of them used n/a. so youre statement that "Before F1 went to 3 liter engines the Renault 1.5 liter turbo motors were making 900HP in race trim and over 1500HP in qualifying trim." is bullshit. more than half of those turbo motors were v6.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann Anyone can search those words in google and see that you're just copy pasting random and irrelevant sentences from turbcharging and displacement sites to sound smart H AHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I searched your stolen quotes in google and found you to be a poser H AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice job faggot
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 you say that the info refutes me but you dont explains how so who the dumbass? you. you even said the the bigger turbo at the same level of psi will push more hp, this shows how ignorance you are. bigger turbo are used so that they can push higher psi therefore increasing the hp. smaller turbo will choke at higher rpm range but if its both run the same lower psi = same performance. you are clearly stupid
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann Anyways, I've had enough reading of comments for this video, lol, I'm outta here, no hard feelings.....but I sincerely advise you to take your car for what it is and stop trying to convince people that a larger displacement engine automatically has more HP potential. Because if you really are a mech. eng. then you should know that when you introduce boost, many other factors come into play such as valve/cam timing, crank/rod/piston strength, RPM limit, head design, etc.
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 anyone can search. clearly you search also LOLLLLL trying to counter by googling my statement. you are just a stupid kid. but its good that youre searching because then you know im correct and youre stupid
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann OH by the way, whats even funnier is I dont even think you UNDERSTAND what you're copy and pasting, because that information refutes you HA HAH AHHAH AH AH AH A HAH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHAH dumbass kid.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 lol you think i dont understand? but can you prove the info refutes me? lol of course not because it doesn't. your dad probably feed you his dicks so much youre getting dumber by the seconds.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann It doesnt look like anyone is replying to you anymore, and I can see why, I read most of the comments, and you basically got destroyed and were unable to prove your point that the 350Z motor has more potential than an Evo motor. I read most of the comments and I didn't see anyone saying that displacement doesn't matter, from what I understand from Sam6G72's post is that he said displacement alone is not the factor to determine horsepower potential, which is correct.
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@nuhathann more displacement may get you more power on an NA motor and a little more power at lower PSI on a turbo motor, but that doesn't determine the horsepower potential of a motor. You can have a 10 liter engine that can't hold much PSI so therefore even though that motor would make more power at lower PSI, the maximum HP potential is still lower when you're talking about boost.
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@nuhathann The bottomline is if you're happy with your 350Z then thats good because its a nice car, but to say that it has more horsepower potential than a 4G63 or the new 4B11 because its a larger engine is false. Even if it makes more power at a lower PSI, that still has nothing to do with the maximum amount of power that the engine will safely and reliably hold. The stock Evo motors are much stronger than the stock 350Z motor...
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@nuhathann And that was way back in 1986 with old technology... then they went to 3 liter NA motors and lost almost 1000HP, they were only making around 550 back then, it wasn't until around 2005 that they were making 800-900 HP from the 3 liter NA motors. But the original 1.5 liter turbo 4 cylinder engines were the most powerful and looks like we will be going back to the 1.5 liter inline 4 turbo in the future. Don't open your mouth unless you actually know what you're talking about, noob.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 youre the one that said displacement doesnt matter lol. youre the noob because f1 still did limit their displacement to limit the power potential of these things. and keep in mind that those 1.5 L turbo were not aluminum casting. they did put a limit on those too keeping it at 1.5L.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 and since you want to take me me to school. let a real mechanical engineer teach you about the basic. an engine displacement is the measurement of how much air/fuel mixture it can move in one cycle, simply how much work it gets done. now turbo compresses air into a motor at level of psi the higher the psi the higher the hp. the bigger the displacement the more work the motor gets done. why do you completely ignore the basic if youre an engineer?
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann Are you even reading anything? YOU GOT OWNED, WOW, if I were you I would be embarrassed to ever show my face in public. You got owned, pwned, destroyed, raped, whatever you want to call it. Just total and utter destruction.
SamiulIslaam 1 year ago
@nuhathann you said, "i know a good motor has to have good integrity like when you compare a vq35de to a vq35hr but ultimately its the displacement that helps when spooling the turbo and helping it reach full boost quicker". This statement is irrelevant because we're not discussing spool up times. We were discussing HP potential. Evo motor is stronger, makes more torque, holds more boost, has a higher usable HP limit based on traction, etc. etc. Turbo lag doesn't effect race performance.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 please explain to me why they make stroker kit to increase displacement. can you compare youre torque at the bottom end with a v8 and see how far the corvette will leave you behind before you even reach full boost? once against if you like to say anything go check injected performance and the vq35de that made 400 hp on 8 psi and compare that to what your engine can make at 8 psi. i just destroyed you
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann I already explained the reason for slightly increasing displacement when rebuilding the internals for a much bigger turbo. It's obvious that you have never done any actual racing on a roadcourse or even drag with a turbo vehicle because NOBODY races in the RPM range below where the turbo is spooled up. Turbo lag mainly effects everyday driving, not racing. vette? I make more torque than a new 7 liter Z06, one of the baddest cars on the road. Evos usually take Z06's off the line.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann Also, the amount of HP that a particular engine makes at a given PSI, does not determine HP potential, so again, stop changing subjects, you're not proving your point by changing the subject. But just to prove that you destroyed yourself, a larger turbo on 8 PSI will obviously make more HP than smaller turbo on 8 PSI and 2 small turbos on 8 psi will make more power than 1 small turbo on 8PSI.........however that doesn't determine the HP potential of a motor. You're still wrong.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 and if you still think youre so right, go tell the F1 car engineer to create a inline 2 L 4 banger N/A that can produce 800hp. All of them uses v8 or v10 and before the ban on the 3L and restriction to only 4 valves, those 3L v10 can reach to 1000hp +. they limited the displacement to limit the power level. i just destroyed you again
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann You didn't destroy anything, you actually REFUTED yourself and PROVED my point. A 3 liter is a relativiely small disaplacement for a V8 or V10 engine. The reason for small displacement and many cylinders is for very high RPM(15000+) in naturally aspirated motors. The way to get full power out of a NA motor is not the same approach in making power with forced induction. I make more low/mid torque than a Z06, even if I dont launch, a Z06 does not catch up until 3rd gear. Ignorance.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann Your original argument was that a 3.5 liter V6 350Z has more HP potential than a 2 liter 4G63 or 4B11. That's incorrect. Did you forget your original argument? Just go back and read it. Because all you're doing now is trying to change the subject to various different subjects in an attempt to overwhelm me with false refutations. Thats a weak debate tactic and its not working. I recommend you stop looking like a clown and gain some knowledge before you spread false information.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
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@nuhathann the AMS 2.1 L Evo makes around 1181 AWHP, thats around 1400 crank HP. There is another 2.0 L Evo VIII that makes around 1014 AWHP which is over 1200 HP at the crank. You can talk about turbo spool and whatever the hell your tiny brain allows, but the fact of the matter is that turbo lag doesn't effect its performance, its still an 8 second car all day any day and its streetable and can be set to street specs. So again, save your bullshit arguments.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann But back to the original argument. You said a 350Z has "more HP potential" than an Evo because the 350Z has a "3.5 liter V6". This is a wrong, ignorant, false, and stupid statement. Any intelligent and literate person can read the comments and understand why what you said is wrong. I'm sure you also know that you're wrong, but instead of admitting it, you're using insincere tactics by changing the subject and "going around" the issue. But its not working, you sound stupid.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann My torque doesn't come from my engine, it comes from my boost......however my engines ability to handle high boost is what allows me to make torque like that. a 350Z is not really a torquey engine compared to a 4G63 or 4B11.........thats why a 400WHP Evo runs 11's, its because of traction(AWD) and torque(high boost). Most 400WHP 350z's aren't that fast at drag because 1, they have no traction to launch and 2, the engines don't produce much torque even on boost.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann Tuning the cam timing also allows lots of torque to be made. The Evo X has adjustable MIVEC on the intake and exhaust side so for high boost when you advance the timing you're basically creating a longer duration which again allows for a shit load of torque with boost. the Evo IX has adjustable MIVEC on 1 side which allows for pretty good torque as well. If I were you, I would definitely stop sounding stupid on the internet and go and gain some knowledge.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann But all that is besides the original point you TRIED to make. You said that a 350Z has more "HP potential" than an Evo because it has a 3.5 liter V6. This is definitely wrong, in many different ways......There are HUNDREDS of other factors that determine HP potential besides displacement or number of cylinders, especially when talking about turbo engines. You have proven that you not only make up stuff to feel better about your car, but you lack any knowledge of engines.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann Racing is done ON BOOST.......during all forms of racing the engine is on boost except between shifts so off boost performance really shouldn't matter unless you're a really shitty driver......which I'm assuming you are based on your total lack of intelligence.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann And there were stock block Evos making around 700 WHP(over 800 at the crank) but that motor didn't last long, because that is obviously pushing it, but my stock 4B11 regularly spikes at 32+ PSI with no problems and hold 25-27 PSI. That kind of boost on a stock 350Z will blow it to hell. So what did we learn? We learned that your 3.5 liter motor does not have more "HP potential". End of story. Please research next time.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
retards... stock usdm evo isnt any better than a z33 track. have you guys ever even own one or do some dyno??? dealer power rating for cars arnt very accurate mofos.... have you ever been inside a z and evo? fuck the z is way nicer... Evo got their 4wd sickness but when you start modding the 350z has a better base with the v6 3.5L powerplant.
BTW the evo isnt drifting its sliding. just because you saw the evo in tokyo drift, doesnt mean all evo can. that evo was rear wheel drive converted
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann i own a evo and stock on stock the Z will rape the Evo!! When it comes to modding ill stick with the evo though
YuLost2X 1 year ago
@nuhathann this is bullshit, the Evo pulls 1G around turns, thats more than a GTR, try that in your slippery 350 or 370Z. I've owned 2 evos and now I have an Evo X and I can tell you a 350Z sucks in comparison if you're talking about performance. I ran stock quarter mile in 13.2 and 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and now with ONLY bolt ons and tune I have an 11 second car and 0-60 takes 3 secs. Stock Evo blocks holds more than 30 PSI, stock evo block can hold 600+ HP , so please, save the bullshit.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann By the way, Evo owners know our interiors suck, but we didn't buy our cars for the interior, we bought them to rape posers like you at the track.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@Sam6G72 its okay dont get all sensitive it's just that a v6 3.5l has more hp potential, that's all im saying lol
nuhathann 1 year ago
@nuhathann Doesn't really matter what you're saying, because what you're saying is clearly wrong. Just because an engine has more displacement does not mean it has more HP potential than a smaller engine. When it comes to forced induction, its all about the design and integrity of the motor, not the displacement. There are much larger engines that can not handle the amount of boost that a 4G63 or 4B11 can. Its about strength, built Evo motors have made over 1400HP.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann @nuhathann VQ35 is not known to be strong like the 4G63, or the 2JZG, or the RB26, etc. etc......so to say that it has more HP potential because its bigger than those engines is, what I said before, bullshit. Don't make up imaginary concepts such as "a V6 3.5l has more hp protential". You also said that the 350Z powerplant is a "better base". Thats also wrong, 350Z has a weaker motor, less HP potential, less traction, inferior handling, weaker trans, etc. Don't make up stuff.
Sam6G72 1 year ago
@nuhathann i'll give you a headstart on a 1/4 mile and i would pass u on entry to 3rd gear =) the power of fq + evo = you lose
13TheRoom13 1 year ago
@13TheRoom13 anytime :] im in socal.
nuhathann 1 year ago
@cdawg1113 are you fucking retarded??? Can you even read?? The evo beats the z any time, dont give a fuck if you think the z is a great car! The EVO takes it any time!
muscletorque 1 year ago
@Bebopola, when the fuck did i say Z cant drift? Read again idiot, I said it doesnt have shit on the evo!
muscletorque 1 year ago
No sound? I prefer to listen to the cars. I'm not sure why every youtube car video has to have stupid music. This video is useless now. Great work!
TonyStone3000 1 year ago
oh hey look a that dueche hes fliping people off in motion
DudeWithaPage 1 year ago
hahah looks like you shut up calfootball12. evo over 350 any day!! And and evo can drift so the z aint got shit on it.
muscletorque 1 year ago
@muscletorque Z can't drift ?.. yo pass whatever ur smokin !
bebopola 1 year ago
@muscletorque ur retarded they are both great cars
cdawg1113 1 year ago
my gf has an 06 Evo 9. I've got to say that i love the car in everyway. Evo also comes with Brembos Catfootball...
I have the 03 350 z performance and i love it as well. Sorta depends on the mood what to drive and when. I can deff say tho if you hook up an evo its more of a quick weekend driving car not so much a daily driver. besides the Turbo sucks down gas. my Z is not a daily either but i love driving it as much as i can in good weather of course. Both cars are amazing.
DraGonAIchemist 2 years ago
I am a z owner and it is a good car if you want the looks the performance and keep it as a daily driver. The car looks sexier then a evo but if you're looking at everything else it is somewhat true the evo is .5 seconds faster in 0-60 time weighs less and is 4 wheel drive which makes the launch a lot better. I would say that both cars handle real well but the evo again is more built for racing then the 350z i love my z but an evo will own a z in everything except drifting of course. ;-)
TheZBOY85 2 years ago
@TheZBOY85 Evp Weights more than the Z man...
DraGonAIchemist 2 years ago
Dude The evo looks like a regular car with with add-ons
Thats it
If Im paying almost 35,000 for a freakin new evo it better look like more than just a regular suped up civic or another STI
The Evp also has 22mpg and 290HP
where as if u pay around the same price for the nismo Z you get 306HP,bitchen nismo rims,Brembo brakes,nismo kit,25mpg, and a beautiful interior
So tell me why the Evo is better again??
CalFootball12 3 years ago
AWD
WeThinkWeRFast 3 years ago
The evo is faster than the 350z first of all. Second of all the EVO comes with Enkei rims AND Brembo brakes as well. The EVO is AWD. and pretty much outperforms the 350z in every aspect.
wrx0131 2 years ago
true that
salvadorhzmj23 2 years ago
Agreed
acespade77 2 years ago
nice awd burnout
rileybrigden 3 years ago
is that dog turbo charged too? lol
ziveon 3 years ago 2
i mean dog
jeffrey9876543211111 3 years ago
Evo will kill all, but i love all cars.
daddyyankee05 3 years ago
350 won! im getting one soon! and i cant wait!
Eazyian562 3 years ago 2
lol poor doggy trying to get you lol lol
shogunjosex 3 years ago
um...who 1??? im guessin the 350
BrazYDuN5 3 years ago
no
as u can clearly see the cat beat them all
jeffrey9876543211111 3 years ago
lmao.
spoool 3 years ago
the dog is more fast , to the evo a& 350...
dravenxx16 3 years ago
ooo yea and its stick shfit
keithkmj 3 years ago
u guys r stupid my friend has one it depends wat model u hav u dumb asses most vids of z r freaken z that r bone stock and automatic my frndz is 07 grand touruing and it owns evo9 mr's so fuck off
keithkmj 3 years ago
350z ftw
j15pm 3 years ago
evos suck my friend has one put like 3 grand in it and my stock Z is still all around better
mikedoroski 3 years ago
3k body kit/paint doesn't count
2high2aim 3 years ago
shut up with your ignorance. out of the factory evos are way better than Z's.
litochynzdragon 3 years ago 2
such a nice evo
tophermonkey 3 years ago
350z avec la evo sa fait un criss de film d'enfer !! very nice movie!!
Trep21 3 years ago
nice 350Z
Egzonbi 4 years ago
Nice oversteer drifting....which is not really drifting but hey you can't drift really with an AWD car
E46man05 4 years ago
Auf diese Bauernporsches seid ihr allen Ernstes stolz? Arm...
cpacer 4 years ago
damn..evo six. my first love.
mo28mabini 4 years ago
smart man. Evo 6 is the best
belgradeboy89 3 years ago
urm yeah this evo is deffinitly an AWD car.and they are AWD FROM THE FACTORY!!!hence why its an evolution not the shitty lancer.this one not even converted to rWD. all it would take to make a evo RWD would be take out the front cv shafts not much conversiopn needed lol.besides look the way he is drifting in cricles. rarely counter steers
REiGNxFTA 4 years ago
attention all dumbshits.....
EVOS COME ALL WHEEL DRIVE
350z's Come REAR WHEEL DRIVE....
jquevedo 4 years ago
that evo was def all wheel drive, you can see both rear and front spinning. those cars are both fuckin sick..loved the vid.
sergmx 4 years ago
nice 350z...that car should have been turbo or supercharged from the factory. i dont know what nissan was thinkin...guess they were gonna use the age old excuse..."it would cost too much"
blackaneeese 4 years ago
You are so right...Should be turboed from the getgo Instead we have to forked up another 10 grand or more...Some of us don't have the time to take to shop and have it done..
mightyjoe911 3 years ago
Meh...I think 230hp (2003-05 ~ 280hp to the crank) to the wheel is powerful enough. But it could lose a little weight.
I love the Z. It's an all around beast under $30,000
needcollegeloan 3 years ago
its all wheel drive still dumb ass
dxsire 4 years ago
I didn't know evo's were rear wheel drive, was this one converted or are they stock rear wheel drive?
JACKINTHEBOCKS 4 years ago
evo's are stock all wheel drive, this one's converted, must be hella powerful!
chadokmk 4 years ago