Shaq avaraged 6 assists?haha more like 3.3! Checkout the 84 finals when the Dream (in his 2nd year)averaged 27ppg 12 rebounds 3 blocks 2.5 assists 2 steals aganist Boston and the best 3 ever to play together!
Uhh, 'cuz he took over a year off and tried to play baseball and only came back with about 18-20 games left in the season. Anybody that watch Mike play knows he was NEVER the same after his layoff. But, THAT offseason he worked hard and changed his game, found his rythym and took over again. If you want to believe he was at the top of his game that's on you, but most people know better...........
Yeah, one dunk is ownage!? lol. Owned him so much that he didn't even win ONE freakin' game! 0-4! Damn, we should all get owned like that! lol. Get off his nuts. He the biggest player in the history of the NBA, he supposed to dunk on smaller players! No one blocked more shots than Dream, ask Shaq! But of course thats not on here. Just video of "The Sweep", good enough for me. Thanks for bringing back the championship memories! I remember the post sweep hug he gave Shaq! Think he wanted to cry!
@EmperorJBO great statement. hakeem had to face other great centers of all time (david robinson, etc.) while shaq gets to face people like ben wallace in the playoffs. david robinson is way better then ben wallace.
This was the young Shaq. Hakeem still beat him, but i have to say Shaq did very good for his 3rd year having to guard the best center at that time. If Shaq in his prime and Hakeem in his prime would face off i don't know that would happen.
@EmperorJBO Will never see it. What i did see, though, was Prime Shaq beating the Old Dream when Shaq was a Laker. It's quite dumb to compare a guy on his 3rd year to the best center at the time, even though Shaq had a huge impact from the beginning of his career.
Shaq said it in his own words, "If I can't beat you, I'll be a man and say I can't beat you. I'm not going to [cry about it] .. I'm the first guy to say that somebody is better than me. I was the first guy to say Hakeem Olajuwon beat me in the [1995] NBA finals. He killed me. He dominated me. I didn't go, 'Oh, he's traveling. They had experience. Wah-wah-wah.' I'm a man. Hakeem Olajuwon dusted my butt."
Just to let y'all know the 90s bulls with jordan matched up horribly against the rockets because they had no one to guard olajuwon. The rockets used to always beat them. So even if jordan was there in 94, they would have likely lost against the rockets.
Well what in 1996? The Rockets were the 2 time defending champions and lost in the 2nd round to the Supersonics. In 1997 they added Charles Barkley along with Hakeem and Clyde and lost the Western Conference Finals to Utah. 1998 they lost in the first round but that's Jordan's fault? The Bulls were waiting for the Rockets but they couldn't get the job done.
Also Robert Horry and Sam Cassel are amongst the best role players in NBA history. I wouldn't call them ''trash''. plus he did have Otis Thorpe. Robert Horry was young and averaging double figures Not to mention early in his career he was playing with a prime Ralph Sampson. , oh and cant forget Kenny Smith.
escobar60099,yeah he did. Olajuwon dominated Shaq with less to work with.
Olajuwon swept Shaq.Shaq never changed when he got his first ring,the only that changed was that there was less competition in the center position(none at all) and Kobe Bryant.
Olajuwon would destroy Shaq when he got his first ring.
no competition at the center position? even though Shaq dominated Mutumbo in the 2001 Finals who that year was the DPOY, an all-star, all-NBA second team, 2nd in rebounding and 5th in blocked shots . Not to mention in his prime Shaq faced more double and triple teams then anyone in NBA history.
Also Kobe really wasn't much of a factor during the Lakers first ring he averaged 15 ppg on 36% shooting.
And what happened in the '99 playoffs when Shaq faced Hakeem again?
@escobar60099,muscle,more like fat.Mutombo.Sad fact,Mutombo didn't get dominated.ROFL....that sixers team sucked besides AI....Where is his H.O.F. prime center? Olajuwon faced as many triple and double teams fool.ohhh wow,when olajuwon was irrelevant by than.I think you should stop speaking and embarrassing yourself.
So Hakeem did beat Shaq in his 3d year at 23 years old but in his prime nobody could stop Shaq and I don't see your point about Shaq putting on more muscle during his Laker years and bulking up to 300lbs
@escobar60099,Shaq still averages about the same amount in his magic years and his laker years. The only thing I notice,none of the great centers in the 90's were in their primes,a lot of great hall of famers were irrelevant/retired by this time,and he had Kobe.Shaq will never have a chance guarding Olajuwon at 300lbs.He was lighter than that too as Magic,he still had no chance.All Shaq used was his size and one simple spin move.Shaq blows in skills.
@escobar60099 yo escobar dont try arguing with this jokester. he is on hakeems dick all day long...u cant get him off of it....trust me this dude is total biased. just a heads up bruh
@escobar60099 If you watch the series you would see that ojajuwon covered shaq by himself. They rarely double teamed shaq, so it let the rockets to guard the other 4 players on the team. That was the reason that shaq scored so much and the rockets won so easily. Usually the whole team defends shaq
@escobar60099 bro, i'm not saying that Hakeem destroyed Shaq but he did dominate in each game of the series. You forgot to say that Hakeem averaged 33pts/ 11rbds/ 3 blocks.
@escobar60099 very very true bro!!! hakeem was the more skilled player and schooled shaq in alot of plays, but shaq was just way too powerful for the dream.. i just wished orlando won the championship that year
His team was swept because Nick 'the brick' Anderson choked. Orlando was up by three points late in the 4th quarter when Anderson, typically a 70% free throw shooter, missed four consecutive free throws that could have sealed the victory for Orlando. In Game 1 Shaq had 26 points 16 rebounds 9 assists and 3 blocks on 62 FG%.
I don't see how Orlando getting swept was Shaq's fault.
@escobar60099 Ummmm Pardon me. But Ewing took Hakeem to 7 games and barely lost in game 7. There was no ownage or destruction there. Shaq got SWEPT.....Let me repeat that.....Shaq got SWEPT. 0 wins....4 losses
Hakeem completely outplayed Ewing and shut him down in the '94 Finals, Ewing did get destroyed and he also owned Robinson in the '95 Western Conference Finals.
Shaq held his own against Hakeem though. Impressive considering Shaq was only 23 years old in his 3rd season, while Hakeem was at his peak.
And Shaq didn't get swept, his team did. Just like the Knicks toke the Rockets to 7 games, not Ewing.
Basketball is a team game, teams win games not individual players.
@escobar60099 But Ewing was their best player and one of the main reasons they were so successful. Without Ewing, no Seven-Game series. Shaq got swept WITH his team.
@escobar60099 You're completely wrong. Olajuwon did outscore Ewing. But Ewing Out Blocked AND Out rebounded Olajuwon. Ewing also set an NBA Finals record of 30 Blocks in the Series. So there was NO Domination or Destruction. Thats just not the Reality. Olajuwon would have had to have outscored, outrebounded and outblocked him. He only did one of those. Ewing and Olajuwon have played 8 championship games against each other and are 4-4
@escobar60099 Olajuwon did a good job defensively on him, thats true. But he simply Could not stop Ewing on the Boards...and Ewing was blocking the shit out of everyone. Ewing had roughly 20 more rebounds than Hakeem. Thats a big Margin....and a big reason why the Series went down to the wire
@escobar60099 Shaq/Robinson both got owned by Hakeem in 95... how old were you at the time? I remember it clear as day... being owned goes far beyond averages.
@escobar60099 So you're saying Ewing didnt? Hey pal, Ewing set an NBA Finals record of 30 Blocks and out-rebounded Hakeem as well. Plus, unlike Shaq, he fought to a 7 game series....event though his knees were failing, and his prime was slipping away
He couldnt beat them? I could of sworn that MJ went to the finals a few times... and in going to the finals he would of had to beat the Magic so idk what youre talking about.
Finally someone who know what they're talking about! People make so many excuses for Jordan in the 95 season. He played nearly 30 games that season, he played all the way to the eastern conference finals and lost to Shaq. Yet, people make the excuse that Jordan needed more time to get in shape. It takes a lot more playing time than that to get the greatest of all time in shape?? What is he a pussy!??
@angeredjudge Yea, but I wouldn't really count that though. He played just 17 regular season games after nearly a two year lay over. While I agree the Magic were dominant in the trek to the Finals, it's tough for me to look at Jordan as the same player when he had been away from the game for so long.
The Magic were overall better than the 95 Bulls regardless of MJ`s retirement. That series was decided in the paint where Orlando. Grant and O Neal dominated the glass and scoring and Kukoc was overmatched. Rodman shored up their frontcourt the following year.
@FuShengAlex Jordan's numbers were down across the board in 94/95. The year and a half lay off clearly held him back. He was back to his old self the following season. If any player missed the bulk of two seasons, they would certainly be rusty. Not to mention, team chemistry would be affected. Looking at how good MJ was before he retired, and after he came back and played a full season, his numbers were infinitely better than his abbreviated stint in 94/95.
Wrong, his POSTSEASON numbers in 1995 were on par with his career playoff averages. He came back the following year and had the worst Finals MVP performance of anyone in the 90s shooting a paltry 41%.
Chemistry is no excuse either. The HOU team that won the 95 title, had a double digit scorer quit on them during the playoffs, lost their starting PF to injuries, had players not playing their natural position and barely less than 2 months of Clyde and Hakeem playing together b4 playoffs.
@FuShengAlex Jordan's finals MVP performance can be attributed to just how freaking good Gary Payton was in his prime. Overall, his performance throughout the 95 playoffs was nothing short of dominant. And how can you say wrong? There were things Jordan did better than most, and taking care of the ball was one of those things. For the 95 playoffs, his turnovers skyrocketed to 4.1 a game. That's a ton of turnovers given that he only averaged around 2.7.
Actually Hakeem was out injured when the Clyde trade was made, so they did not play the entire 35 games together. And the Rockets only went 18-17 in those 35 games after the trade. They had to play Chucky Brown out of the CBA on 10 day contracts at PF. The Bulls entered the playoffs on a high going 13-4. The Rockets on the other hand staggered to the finish line, and MadMax was fuming about not starting anymore. Nobody had more chemistry issues than Houston that year.
@FuShengAlex Also, the amount of games Drexler played with the Rockets was double that that MJ had played with the Bulls. (35 games to 17) Some extra time on the court does wonders for a team.
That`s no excuse, if he was supposedly back to his best he shouldn`t have been limited in such a manner. Further proof that Rodman`s rebounding immensly helped the Bulls and covered his bad shooting which he didn`t have that luxury in 95 vs. Orlando.. Hakeem also faced a DPOY the previous year like MJ in 96 and dominated him.
@angeredjudge C'mon Jordan played like 20 games that year after trying to play baseball. The man was rusty. To prove MY point, he and the Bulls won the NEXT 3 championships. So to attempt to dispute this fact is utterly ridiculous, but go ahead and try as I know it'll make you feel better...........
@angeredjudge He played in 17 games... was rusty from sitting out! Came back the following season, and handed Shaq and the Magic their ass! Can you say sweep? ;-)
@xsalvioutlawx ..still got swept?...shaq still has twice as many rings as hakeem...make an excuse for that...its that that jordan had to leave to give those guys a chance?...proof?...in jordans first 3 full seasons jordan won it,and the rockets were nowhere to be seen
@shaqpopcorn34 You don't make no sense, rockets didn't even face the bulls in the playoffs when jordan won those championships. So rockets now showing up during 90-93 had nothing t do with jordan
@angeredjudge ....thats because they didnt make it to the finals.....
here is the point....if jordan was in the in in 94 the bulls woulda made the nba finals.....it woulda been bulls vs rockets.....the rockets were lucky they got to face the knicks instead.....the same knicks the bulls beat with jordan
@shaqpopcorn34 yea ur right but rockets might still beat the bulls if they do face. No one could guard jordan but they didnt have anyone who can stop hakeem either.
Really? Not on Youtube? You'd think with all the useless time you have on your hands, you'd find them. Not surprising, really, that it's a challenge for you.
No where did I imply I was an expert on it. You are the one acting like a basketball prodigy. If you're so great, shouldn't you be out writing columns, or even playing the sport? You seem a little bit preoccupied with this comments page.
Where did I admit I never watched the games? Please, tell me.
I do write columns actually. Funny you even mention that.
I'm not preoccupied with anything. I only return to these pages when I'm replied to. I get email notificiations about it, so I click the link and it brings me back. There's nothing more to it than that. If I was never replied to, I'd never be here since the first time I was here.
Yeah really not on youtube. Feel free to show me where the entire playoffs is on youtube. Not just some silly highlight vids.
It's pathetic that you're even trying to argue, when you have nothing to back up your broke ass stance on the matter. You didn't even know who was on the Rockets that year, didn't watch the games, and have probably never even seen a full game of Olajuwon playing. Yet you're trying to argue like you're an expert on it.
What a joke. You clearly don't know shit, and even admitted you never watched the games, only seen hight vids on yourtube (that only showed Hakeem doing well).
So don't try peddling your fanboy bullshit to me. You didn't even watch either series. All you did was glance over Hakeem's stat page and watch highlight videos, now you think you're an expert. I actually watched the games. Hakeem did not "dominate" either player. It was the rest of the Rockets that did most of the damage, not Olajuwon.
Hakeem was a good player, but there's no way he dominated those games that playoffs. The Rockets team was raining threes of doom upon everyone. When a team shoots almost 50% in a series, of course they're going to win. People just naturally (and stupidly) credit the star of the team for it, when it wasn't even their doing. Considering how well their team was shooting, Olajuwon did not need to force up as many shots as he did trying to score 30 a game. His team was shooting lights out.
Why did he average less rebounds? Because Shaq was ripping them away from him throughout the finals.
Considering that Shaq had a BETTER finals than Hakeem, it's pathetic to claim that Hakeem even outplayed Shaq, much less "dominated" him. It's the same with the Robinson lines. Robinson clearly had a good series, and Hakeem only had two, possibly three games with stats even noticeably better than Robinson's (point-wise, nowhere else), and the Rockets even lost two of those three games.
The Rockets as a team was shooting over 40% from three the entire playoffs. You can pretend that it was because of Hakeem, but it wasn't. Shaq did not need a double team to defend him. It was Shaq.
You can pretend Hakeem "dominated" Shaq, but he didn't. Shaq averaged 28/13 the whole finals, and shot almost 60% doing it, with more than 6 assists per game and almost 3 blocks a game too. Haleem shot under 50%, averaged less assists, blocks, and WAYYYYY less rebounds per game.
You're filling in the rest to pretend that I haven't made a good point, when I made a good one. That's another thing that only fools do when they can't reply logically to a perspective.
it has nothing to do with calling you personally foolish. it's a fool's argument. The fact that you got upset over me even saying tells me a lot about your personality. You have very thin skin, and get offended very easily.
u are really dumb dude...u cant come on here making stuff up...hakeem was the best player in the league from 93-95 and the numbers prove it.even versus shaq.
u might win dummy of the year award sin jackal...hakeems numbers were better than shaq.dont make up lies dude.go check and bring back actual stats fool and you'll see that youre WRONG!
So look at the stats. Shaq was getting more rebounds, more assists, and more blocks per game, while shooting 11% better than Hakeem. Hakeem has a couple more baskets per game than Shaq, but that's due to Hakeem forcing up a lot more shots than Shaq did. Which is why Shaq was shooting 11% better than Hakeem in the series.
So, as is now proven by stats, Shaq was better in the finals, and was CLEARLY not even close to have been "dominated". Shaq outplayed him. Hakeem gets WAY too much credit
Yep, the Rockets as a team won the finals. That doesn't mean every player on the Rockets did better than every player on the Magic, now does it?
I always love when fools use that worthless argument, or the "rings" argument. You're essentially saying that every player on any team that wins the finals, is better than every player on every team that didn't win the finals that year. It simply isn't true, and it's a broken and illogical argument.
What you think about my "personality" doesn't matter. The fact is that you used a fool's argument. You should be upset with yourself rather than me.
I was arguing, that at the time, Hakeem in fact, did NOT "dominate" the best centers in the league on the way to a championship, that Hakeem fans credit solely Hakeem for.
I argue that the rest of the Rockets team was shooting at an extremely high percentage, and that that is the main reason they won, and not because of Olajuwon.
@SinJackal They were shooting at an extremely high percentage because they were getting open looks.
Why were they getting open looks, you might be asking? Well, it's simple (just like you!). Hakeem was creating that with the traffic, and defense he drew from the Magic. Just ask your almighty statistics; Hakeem was averaging 6 APG in the Finals, which is great for a center, and doesn't even take into consideration the things he created.
They were shooting at a high percentage because they were a good shooting team. Hakeem was not being double teamed, therefore none of them were "open" because of Hakeem. The Rockets were shooting at a very high percentage from three the entire playoffs. Hakeem did not average 6 assists throughout the playoffs, so his passing had nothing to do with it. They just had good shooters. I bet you think Clyde Drexler wouldn't have put up good numbers without Hakeem too huh? Your'e such a fanboy.
@SinJackal Really, a good shooting team? The only two to average over .500 FGP (besides Olajuwon) were Otis Thorpe, and Clyde Drexler; Thorpe because he got a lot of looks inside, and Drexler because he was Drexler.
Vernon Maxwell didn't even average over .400 FGP.
They were shooting at a high three percentage the entire playoffs because thats the way teams chose to play them. Zone defense gave them good outside looks.
The people you listed weren't even on the team, becuase they were traded for Drexler. I now seriously doubt you even saw the games. Considering that you're 18, you would've been about 3 at the time.
You clearly did not watch the games, and if you did, couldn't remember them properly. I'm not sure why you're even acting like you did.
As for Rockets shooting. Kenny Smith shot 44% from three in the playoffs. Horry 40%. Ellie 40%. Cassel 33% Drexler 48% overall.
@SinJackal I'm sure you've heard of Youtube, it's a great site. That's how I watched the game.
And your arguing is supporting my point... the team shot mildly well throughout the regular season (as evidenced by their mediocre 47-35 record) but improved in the playoffs and finals due to the attention Hakeem was getting.
You should be out, enjoying the world at 24, not arguing on a Youtube comments page.
What attention Hakeem was getting? Shaq was defending him solo. Olajuwon was not getting any extra attention.
Every shooter on that Rockets team, was a good shooter on every team they've been on. Olajuwon didn't magically have some effect on their shooting before they were even on the Rockets, or afterward.
And those games are not on youtube.
Once again, you have PROVEN that you did not watch the games (you just admitted it), and have only seen a couple highlight videos.
Wrong (as usual) SinJackal....Horace Grant their all-nba 2nd team Def PF also guarded Hakeem during stretches in that series. Go to top 10 1995 NBA Finals and watch number 6, if you feel like refuting the nonsense you just posted.
@paranoid711 .....they were 47-35 because they had a midseason trade.....otis thorpe for clyde drexler....the chemistry wasnt there with drexler at first,the rockets didnt even know he could post up when they got him.....since it was a power forward for a shooting guard,the team had to adjust....the 47 wins was misleading because of these things
Yes, check the finals housebanks22. Shaq had better numbers than Hakeem in the finals. He was practically averaging a triple double, and shooting over 60% from the field in Hakeem's face for the WHOLE finals, while holding Hakeem to about 47-48%.
Also, don't forget that Shaq challenged Hakeem to a one on one match after those finals, and he pussed out like a little bitch, making excuses since he knew he was about to get his shit pushed in.
Lemme quote you on that obbymelons, "Uhhh, what is Shaq known for? Scoring? Well, Hakeem is at 8th & Shaq is only at 16th.."
5. Shaquille O'Neal 27741
6. Moses Malone* 27409
7. Elvin Hayes* 27313
8. Hakeem Olajuwon* 26946
yup. shaq's #16 @ Points. /sarcasm .. oh btw, Shaq has 4 rings how many does hakeem have? :) .. Prime Hakeem vs Young Shaq of course hakeem is better. but when Prime Shaq (2000s) vs post prime Hakeem(2000s)? you know the answer :)
4-0! thats dominating kid! one dunk doesnt change a damn thing. plus his giant ass dunked on everybody any way, too bad thats all he was good for and got swept by the master. i dont need to tell u ur wrong, i'll let all the negatives do that for me.
I can't argue wit wut u said bcuz yeah he is tha only playa to win a ship without an all star teammate, however I seen some damn good players make it to tha finals and lose without all star teammates. Charles Barkley did it, Reggie Miller, AI, and LeBron back in 2007 put on an unbelievable performance in tha postseason. Those players didn't have teammates like Dream did step up in tha playoffs, so there's been better performances than wut he did.
you're just talking gibberish-Dream nearly every year kicked ass in the playoffs-it's difficult to get your teamates to step up,and you are giving Dream no credit at all,as if having 3 guys on his ass and getting Mario,SAM,kENNY WIDE OPEN LOOKS had nothing to do with making them better.and another thing-Shaq wasn't even close to twice the player of Kobe-in fact,even though Kobe couldn't win w/out Shaq(though he just did)-Shaq definitely would not have won w/out Bryant--best guard in NBA-wake up
I'll give Dream credit. I never said he sucked, I just said I'd take Shaq over him. Hakeem waz by far tha best player on that team no doubt, but he had talent around him. Kobe wasn't even considered a superstar until shaq left, there's even an interview on youtube from 2004 where Charles say Kobe is a good player but Shaq is way better than him. When LA needed a huge game Shaq waz puttin' up 50 points in tha finals, he waz MVP in those LA finals, not Kobe.
opinions vary-but i think you should watch those championships from '2000-'2002 again-Kobe had some monster games himself- Shaq was the best Laker,but Kobe was not only good-he was a great player then and now-and there were games when Shaq couldn't hit a free throw,Kobe stepped up and literally saved the Lakers-,watch again..Kobe was a superstar in those title seasons,just not as great as Shaq yet,but w/out the #1 guard- don't see the Lakers winning those titles.Dream never had THAT much help
I do have some of tha games, and one that comes to mind waz I think game 4 of tha 2000 finals when Shaq fouled out and Kobe carried tha Lakers offense through tha game and won. Yeah he had good games too, but Shaq waz miles better and I seriously doubt Kobe would be where he's at now if Shaq wasn't tha team leader all those years. I will admit Kobe waz/is better than any player Dream played alongside, however that has nuttin' to do wit how good Shaq used to be.
that you admit Kobe saved the Lakers that game shows you have character.......Shaq was "the man" in those title years,i don't wanna argue anymore.........peace out-Jeroel
Shaq did more than scoring. And I don't kno if u read all my comments but I explained myself and I can tell u right now if I waz building a team I would pick my center to be Shaq over Hakeem all day.
we all have our opinions but even Shaq would pick Hakeem, he said he was the best and i'm not gonna argue with him, plus hakeem wasn't a liability at the line and could shoot and defend better but pick who u like.
I think having Kobe on his team helped him a bit, don't you think? Olajuwon won with Horry, Cassell and had Drexler one year. Straight up Shaq is ALL dunks and thats why Hakeem schooled him as well as every center he played against including Jabbar, Malone,Robinson's,Ewings etc. What great centers did Shaq embarrass other than the dunks? Even Shaq said Dream was the best! Oh wait, so did Jordan!! I respect ur opinion but Shaq couldn't dunk till he was 6'9"! hack-a-shaq! he cant shoot! all dunks.
What about Horace Grant? He's a roleplayer. Barely gets a dozen points per game. Why not just name their whole team and claim they're great because of the teams they've been on in the past? Compare their lineups, The Magic weren't an elite team.
Yeah......Horace Grant was a "roleplayer" and Robert Horry and Elie were "stars" according to you.
Oh yeah Houston had Vernon Maxwell according to you vs. Orlando.....the same guy that got kicked off the team at the beginning of the playoffs,lol. You just never learn do you?
Nobody said Horry and Ellie were elite players. The fact was that compared to Horace Grant, who YOU claimed to be "elite", Horry had basically the same stats besides a couple rebounds.
Plus this whole time you were claiming Hakeem outplayed Shaq. . .how is that, when Shaq had better stats, and shot for a much higher FG%? Shaq was shooting 60%, vs Hakeem's sub 50%. Shaq had more assists, rebounds, AND blocks, and only a few less points due to Hakeem's high number of FGAs.
So due to the obvious reality that Hakeem did NOT outplay Shaq in the finals, you cannot claim Hakeem led his team to a victory over him, as Shaq had superior numbers. The Rockets were just a better overall team that year. Just like 80% of the wins the Rockets had during their two championships in the playoffs were during games Hakeem did NOT outplay the big man on the other team. His stats were overall good, but they lost almost every game you could claim he -did- lead them to a win in.
No SinJackass....I'd rather listen to Shaq commenting on the 95 Finals than your lame attempts downplay Olajuwon's title years:
"I was the first guy to say Hakeem Olajuwon beat me in the [1995] NBA finals. He killed me. He dominated me. I didn't go, 'Oh, he's traveling. They had experience. Wah-wah-wah.' I'm a man. Hakeem Olajuwon dusted my butt."
Hakeem pussed out on the one on one, because he knew he would get creamed. As for Shaq saying that, he was trying to not make excuses. Hakeem didn't dominate him, look at the numbers.
I'll post them for that other fool in a second. You will see there's no way hakeem "dominated" him, and that Shaq had equal to, or better stats in just about every category during the finals. And yet, the Rockets won "because of Hakeem"? No. You give him too much credit.
SinJackass, I never said Hakeem "dominated" Shaq, but he did to DRob. But he outplayed Shaq. There's a difference between the two.
Yeah your "statline" doesn't show that Horace Grant, who made the all-defensive team, did a better defensive job on Dream than Shaq did. Nor does it show that in Gm's 2 and 4 a lot of Shaq points came with the result not in doubt and not when the game was close and in the balance. Go peddle your nonsense on someone who hasn't watched the games for years.
He didn't do either. Shaq, as I just posted, had superior stats than Hakeem during the series. He even defended Hakeem better than Hakeem defended him. When Shaq did better in the whole series, how does that mean he got outplayed?
Oh right, it doesn't. And you're giving Hakeem credit for something he didn't do, AGAIN.
Shaq was better than Hakeem in that series, the Rockets as a collective team outplayed the Magic; however, Hakeem did NOT outplay Shaq.
You're the only one peddling nonsense, pretending that Hakeem dominated Shaq and DRob, and then pretend that any time that's clearly not the case, that there's some excuse for it. Hakeem led his team to a win~ and yet gave up so many stats to the guy he was defending? How is that even logical? He struggled to match Shaq's stats, and yet somehow that means he outplayed him even though Shaq had better stats?
You're clearly delusional. You give Hakeem way too much credit.
Shaq in his prime better than Hakeem? WTF you smoking? I need some of that, Hakeem would SMOKE Shaq, all Shaq was was a inside player, Hakeem was inside and outside, he was a beast on both he even had a jumper Shaq can't hit free throws and them fuckin FREE shots
I'd take Shaq over Hakeem all day. Shaq waz a better scorer and rebounder. Hakeem had more blocks however shaq in his prime would still get 2-3 a game. Shaq is prolly tha most dominant offensive force that ever came into tha league. Maybe Hakeem had more talent but if it came down to me choosin' one of them 4 my team I'm takin' Shaq all day.
dumbass,Dream greatest rebounder 3 seasons,Shaq zero,Dream is #1 scoring center per game post season-you're on drugs to pick lardass Shaq over Lion Olajuwon-Shaq needed the top guard in the NBA tO WIN-Dream won 2 titles with no all stars-even Clyde wasn't an all star in '95,his game was fading until he joined up with Dream mid-season-idiot
u call someone in their third year a vet? So Rudy Gay and Brandon Roy are vet's now huh? Dude get real. Regardless of how skilled someone waz Shaq dominated them anyways. Look up numbers man, shaq and Hakeem are damn near equal in boards and Shaq scored way better than Hakeem did. Dream wouldn't have won a damn thing anyways if MJ didn't leave for 2 years to play baseball.
Shaq scored more reg season but lost a ton of games at the line-Dream was 3 times the defensive player of lazy lardass Shaq,and against tougher competition,Dream scored more per game in the post season.you get real,Shaq is an ego maniac-AND STILL ADMITS OLAJUWON IS THE #1 CENTER-HE HAS STATED THAT ON MANY OCCASIONS-BY THE WAY,who did Shaq face in the finals? Todd MCJOKE-SMITS AND PAST HIS PRIME MUTOMBO!!-DREAM RAN CIRCLES AROUND THE greatest front line-Bird,MCHALE,Parrish-killed Shaq,Ewing
Aight well I didn't see Hakeem's ass in tha finals his third year now did I? It took that fool 9 years to get there and like I said if MJ never left tha league Hakeem would be ringless. And I don't care wut u or anyone else says, Shaq dominated ppl so many times and overpowered ppl it ain't even funny. He's put up 50 points in games b4 dude, whether u hate him or not, tha dudes a beast.
idiot,Shaq plays most of his prime with zero all stars like Dream and he doesn't win shit,Dream is the only player in history to play most of his prime without all star teamates and still lead team to 2 championships.and your fucking retarded "wouldn't have won w/out MIKE'S retrirement!-moron,Mike never ever stopped Dream from getting to the finals-EVER-MIKE LOST MOST OF THE TIME THEY FACED IN THE REG. SEASON,he admitted he didn't know how to beat Dream,god you fucking Jordan fans are stupid
Then why all of a sudden when MJ leaves he wins? And when he won tha league waz weak anyways man. Shaq fought for his titles and beat legit teams man. You prolly just some old ass dude who don't wanna give tha newer players props. Get over yaself man.
why not ask Mikee why he left?? his dad died?-that's a joke,doesn't matter,that they never met in the finals was fate-it doesn't take from the fact that Dream fought to get to 3 finals-when Mike was MIA-3 TIMES DREAM WAS THERE WHEN MIKE WASN'T-BESIDES,EVERY FUCKING 1 OF MIKE'S 5 YEARS W/OUT SCOTTIE-MIKE HAD A LOSING SEASON-ALL 5 YEARS..........SO DON'T GIVE ME THAT TYPICAL DREAM WON ONLY BECAUSE MIKE LEFT-MIKE LOST MOST OF THE TIME THEY MET AND MIKE NEVER STOPPED DREAM-GET REAL
MJ didn't have losing seasons he just didn't win a ship until Pippen came. And anyways MJ don't have nuttin' 2 do wit stoppin' Dream cuz they ain't even tha same position.
I'm surprised the backboard didn't snap off
Loudmouf84 3 months ago
Nice pass by Scott Skiles to set that up. Shaq all over my man Hakeem
OnlyOneG1986 3 months ago
Shaq avaraged 6 assists?haha more like 3.3! Checkout the 84 finals when the Dream (in his 2nd year)averaged 27ppg 12 rebounds 3 blocks 2.5 assists 2 steals aganist Boston and the best 3 ever to play together!
MrScott4020 4 months ago
hahaha i had to turn off saftey mode to watch that
ST1NN377 6 months ago
this is so nasty i switched it to porn when my mom came to my room
23pnoy 6 months ago 4
@23pnoy if you're taking other people's jokes and using them as your own, what are you offering to the world?
htownnigggga 6 months ago
Uhh, 'cuz he took over a year off and tried to play baseball and only came back with about 18-20 games left in the season. Anybody that watch Mike play knows he was NEVER the same after his layoff. But, THAT offseason he worked hard and changed his game, found his rythym and took over again. If you want to believe he was at the top of his game that's on you, but most people know better...........
ChrisinEC 6 months ago
Yeah, one dunk is ownage!? lol. Owned him so much that he didn't even win ONE freakin' game! 0-4! Damn, we should all get owned like that! lol. Get off his nuts. He the biggest player in the history of the NBA, he supposed to dunk on smaller players! No one blocked more shots than Dream, ask Shaq! But of course thats not on here. Just video of "The Sweep", good enough for me. Thanks for bringing back the championship memories! I remember the post sweep hug he gave Shaq! Think he wanted to cry!
pickzkickz 7 months ago
I wasn't expecting basketball video after reading the title -_-
loplification 9 months ago
I'll still take Akeem to begin a franchise with....
Christlovesanimals 9 months ago
Who has more championships? haha
RAdy3234 11 months ago
The title looks like a porn movie xD
evanderguitarist 11 months ago
Shaq Best Center Ever
RAdy3234 1 year ago
@RAdy3234 abdul jabar is way better
lilflipJ 11 months ago
@lilflipJ mamame el bicho cabron hijo e' puta
RAdy3234 11 months ago
@RAdy3234 lol loser trash talking online
lilflipJ 11 months ago
@lilflipJ Shaq dominates all Centers ..
RAdy3234 11 months ago
@RAdy3234,hell no...Dream,Kareem,and Wilt are better than Shaq.
EmperorJBO 11 months ago
@EmperorJBO hahaha Do not tell me Shaq tha Best Center Ever
RAdy3234 10 months ago
@RAdy3234,where do you get that from?????
I think Dream is the greatest center of all time but you can make a strong argument with Kareem and Wilt.
Dream,Kareem,and Wilt>Shaq
EmperorJBO 10 months ago 2
Hmmm... ONE Facial... vs. ONE championship... I wonder who was happy at the end.
almanzam 1 year ago
@almanzam Won 4 Championships Shaq and Olajuwon many? 2 hahahaha who is happy at the end?
RAdy3234 1 year ago
@RAdy3234 Sorry! I didn't know that Shaq beat Olajuwon in the finals FOUR times.
almanzam 11 months ago 3
@RAdy3234,look at who shaq dominated in the 2000 decade. hahahahaha
look at who Dream dominated in the 1990 decade. Dreams title runs were far more impressive than Shaqs.
Shaq had kobe and wade all in their primes too.lol
EmperorJBO 11 months ago
@EmperorJBO great statement. hakeem had to face other great centers of all time (david robinson, etc.) while shaq gets to face people like ben wallace in the playoffs. david robinson is way better then ben wallace.
jbasket4444 9 months ago
This was the young Shaq. Hakeem still beat him, but i have to say Shaq did very good for his 3rd year having to guard the best center at that time. If Shaq in his prime and Hakeem in his prime would face off i don't know that would happen.
32JSE 1 year ago
@32JSE,Shaq couldn't keep up with Dream if we are talking over 300 lb shaq in la.
If Shaq in the 95 finals had a hard time trying to keep up with him. Imagine him logging all that weight around trying to keep up with Dream.
Prime Dream > Prime Shaq
EmperorJBO 11 months ago
@EmperorJBO Will never see it. What i did see, though, was Prime Shaq beating the Old Dream when Shaq was a Laker. It's quite dumb to compare a guy on his 3rd year to the best center at the time, even though Shaq had a huge impact from the beginning of his career.
32JSE 11 months ago
omfg WOW
Jekjek021 1 year ago
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Shaq said it in his own words, "If I can't beat you, I'll be a man and say I can't beat you. I'm not going to [cry about it] .. I'm the first guy to say that somebody is better than me. I was the first guy to say Hakeem Olajuwon beat me in the [1995] NBA finals. He killed me. He dominated me. I didn't go, 'Oh, he's traveling. They had experience. Wah-wah-wah.' I'm a man. Hakeem Olajuwon dusted my butt."
RocketsNBA 1 year ago
when shaq was "thin" : /
guimara9 1 year ago
that basket is shaq proofed :D
1flou3 1 year ago
Just to let y'all know the 90s bulls with jordan matched up horribly against the rockets because they had no one to guard olajuwon. The rockets used to always beat them. So even if jordan was there in 94, they would have likely lost against the rockets.
thegov08 1 year ago
Well what in 1996? The Rockets were the 2 time defending champions and lost in the 2nd round to the Supersonics. In 1997 they added Charles Barkley along with Hakeem and Clyde and lost the Western Conference Finals to Utah. 1998 they lost in the first round but that's Jordan's fault? The Bulls were waiting for the Rockets but they couldn't get the job done.
escobar60099 1 year ago
@escobar60099 By 1997, it wasn't the same Houston team due to the Barkley trad.e
joekiddlouischama 1 year ago
@escobar60099 ha well what about 95, the rockets were there and the bulls werent.
TheDirtball69 1 year ago
So Clyde Drexler is a trash role player?
Also Robert Horry and Sam Cassel are amongst the best role players in NBA history. I wouldn't call them ''trash''. plus he did have Otis Thorpe. Robert Horry was young and averaging double figures Not to mention early in his career he was playing with a prime Ralph Sampson. , oh and cant forget Kenny Smith.
escobar60099 1 year ago
@escobar60099 otis thorpe and drexler were not on the same championship teams. thorpe was on the 94 team and drexler was on the 95 tea.
thegov08 1 year ago
Yah, it's too bad the the dream SWEPT shaq in the finals.
GuitarBarto007 1 year ago
Shaq didn't get ''destroyed'' or ''owned'' by Hakeem in the Finals.
That would describe what he did to Ewing in the 94 Finals.
Shaq was 23 in his 3d year and Hakeem was in the prime of his career but Shaq still held his own against him.
Shaq averaged 28ppg 13 rebounds 3 blocks and 6 assists on 59% shooting
escobar60099 1 year ago 38
escobar60099,yeah he did. Olajuwon dominated Shaq with less to work with.
Olajuwon swept Shaq.Shaq never changed when he got his first ring,the only that changed was that there was less competition in the center position(none at all) and Kobe Bryant.
Olajuwon would destroy Shaq when he got his first ring.
Imagine a 300lb shaq trying to guard the dream.
EmperorJBO 1 year ago
@EmperorJBO
no competition at the center position? even though Shaq dominated Mutumbo in the 2001 Finals who that year was the DPOY, an all-star, all-NBA second team, 2nd in rebounding and 5th in blocked shots . Not to mention in his prime Shaq faced more double and triple teams then anyone in NBA history.
Also Kobe really wasn't much of a factor during the Lakers first ring he averaged 15 ppg on 36% shooting.
And what happened in the '99 playoffs when Shaq faced Hakeem again?
escobar60099 1 year ago
@escobar60099,muscle,more like fat.Mutombo.Sad fact,Mutombo didn't get dominated.ROFL....that sixers team sucked besides AI....Where is his H.O.F. prime center? Olajuwon faced as many triple and double teams fool.ohhh wow,when olajuwon was irrelevant by than.I think you should stop speaking and embarrassing yourself.
EmperorJBO 1 year ago
@EmperorJBO
So Hakeem did beat Shaq in his 3d year at 23 years old but in his prime nobody could stop Shaq and I don't see your point about Shaq putting on more muscle during his Laker years and bulking up to 300lbs
escobar60099 1 year ago
@escobar60099,Shaq still averages about the same amount in his magic years and his laker years. The only thing I notice,none of the great centers in the 90's were in their primes,a lot of great hall of famers were irrelevant/retired by this time,and he had Kobe.Shaq will never have a chance guarding Olajuwon at 300lbs.He was lighter than that too as Magic,he still had no chance.All Shaq used was his size and one simple spin move.Shaq blows in skills.
EmperorJBO 1 year ago
@escobar60099 yo escobar dont try arguing with this jokester. he is on hakeems dick all day long...u cant get him off of it....trust me this dude is total biased. just a heads up bruh
gunit1322 1 year ago
@escobar60099 dude well said. Facts dont lie. but mr emperor "king of giving bjs" is blind by the dream penis lol
gunit1322 1 year ago
@escobar60099 Shaq was in his prime, too; Olajuwon was merely at his peak.
joekiddlouischama 1 year ago
@escobar60099 If you watch the series you would see that ojajuwon covered shaq by himself. They rarely double teamed shaq, so it let the rockets to guard the other 4 players on the team. That was the reason that shaq scored so much and the rockets won so easily. Usually the whole team defends shaq
thegov08 1 year ago
@escobar60099 bro, i'm not saying that Hakeem destroyed Shaq but he did dominate in each game of the series. You forgot to say that Hakeem averaged 33pts/ 11rbds/ 3 blocks.
kamisma1 1 year ago
@escobar60099 very very true bro!!! hakeem was the more skilled player and schooled shaq in alot of plays, but shaq was just way too powerful for the dream.. i just wished orlando won the championship that year
uasher16 1 year ago
@escobar60099 and his team was swept.
Salva46 1 year ago
@Salva46
His team was swept because Nick 'the brick' Anderson choked. Orlando was up by three points late in the 4th quarter when Anderson, typically a 70% free throw shooter, missed four consecutive free throws that could have sealed the victory for Orlando. In Game 1 Shaq had 26 points 16 rebounds 9 assists and 3 blocks on 62 FG%.
I don't see how Orlando getting swept was Shaq's fault.
escobar60099 1 year ago
@escobar60099 Anderson Choked in game one. That doesnt excuse the next 3. And that certainly doesnt excuse not winning ANY games.
williwo 1 year ago
@escobar60099 Ummmm Pardon me. But Ewing took Hakeem to 7 games and barely lost in game 7. There was no ownage or destruction there. Shaq got SWEPT.....Let me repeat that.....Shaq got SWEPT. 0 wins....4 losses
williwo 1 year ago
@williwo
Hakeem completely outplayed Ewing and shut him down in the '94 Finals, Ewing did get destroyed and he also owned Robinson in the '95 Western Conference Finals.
Shaq held his own against Hakeem though. Impressive considering Shaq was only 23 years old in his 3rd season, while Hakeem was at his peak.
And Shaq didn't get swept, his team did. Just like the Knicks toke the Rockets to 7 games, not Ewing.
Basketball is a team game, teams win games not individual players.
escobar60099 1 year ago
@escobar60099 But Ewing was their best player and one of the main reasons they were so successful. Without Ewing, no Seven-Game series. Shaq got swept WITH his team.
williwo 1 year ago
@escobar60099 You're completely wrong. Olajuwon did outscore Ewing. But Ewing Out Blocked AND Out rebounded Olajuwon. Ewing also set an NBA Finals record of 30 Blocks in the Series. So there was NO Domination or Destruction. Thats just not the Reality. Olajuwon would have had to have outscored, outrebounded and outblocked him. He only did one of those. Ewing and Olajuwon have played 8 championship games against each other and are 4-4
williwo 1 year ago
@escobar60099 Olajuwon did a good job defensively on him, thats true. But he simply Could not stop Ewing on the Boards...and Ewing was blocking the shit out of everyone. Ewing had roughly 20 more rebounds than Hakeem. Thats a big Margin....and a big reason why the Series went down to the wire
williwo 1 year ago
@escobar60099 Shaq/Robinson both got owned by Hakeem in 95... how old were you at the time? I remember it clear as day... being owned goes far beyond averages.
cfgolfcf 8 months ago 2
@cfgolfcf
Okay why don't you use actual evidence like I did? I watched the '95 Finals and Shaq held his own against Hakeem and averages back what I saw.
escobar60099 8 months ago
hell no hakeem was not in his prime you idiot
JEBvideos 8 months ago
@JEBvideos
1993-1995 was his peak, that's when he was playing the best basketball of his career
escobar60099 8 months ago
@escobar60099 So you're saying Ewing didnt? Hey pal, Ewing set an NBA Finals record of 30 Blocks and out-rebounded Hakeem as well. Plus, unlike Shaq, he fought to a 7 game series....event though his knees were failing, and his prime was slipping away
williwo 6 months ago
@escobar60099 Yeah, because numbers tell the whole story. Come on; even Shaq himself admitted that Olajuwon abused him in the Finals that year.
Valid925 6 months ago
Hakeem thanked MJ for not playing those two years that the rockets won. If MJ would of played they would of gone on an 8peat.
bladingpro 2 years ago
Bladingpro.....Yeah....too bad MJ couldn't beat the Magic who Dream swept. :)
FuShengAlex 1 year ago
He couldnt beat them? I could of sworn that MJ went to the finals a few times... and in going to the finals he would of had to beat the Magic so idk what youre talking about.
bladingpro 1 year ago
@bladingpro YOu don't know shtabout basketball. Jordan did play dring 95 but he got his ass owned by shaq and Magic in the playoffs
angeredjudge 1 year ago 30
Finally someone who know what they're talking about! People make so many excuses for Jordan in the 95 season. He played nearly 30 games that season, he played all the way to the eastern conference finals and lost to Shaq. Yet, people make the excuse that Jordan needed more time to get in shape. It takes a lot more playing time than that to get the greatest of all time in shape?? What is he a pussy!??
mattgarciatx 1 year ago 4
mattgarciatx,yeah but what happened to the Magic next season when MJ was fully prepared?
All I heard was Sweep.
EmperorJBO 1 year ago
@angeredjudge
at the end of the day Shaq has 4 rings and 3 Finals MVPs
escobar60099 1 year ago
@escobar60099 shaq needed kobe and wade. Olajuwon took a team with trash role players to championships all by himself.
angeredjudge 1 year ago
@angeredjudge Yea, but I wouldn't really count that though. He played just 17 regular season games after nearly a two year lay over. While I agree the Magic were dominant in the trek to the Finals, it's tough for me to look at Jordan as the same player when he had been away from the game for so long.
bdowden23 1 year ago
The Magic were overall better than the 95 Bulls regardless of MJ`s retirement. That series was decided in the paint where Orlando. Grant and O Neal dominated the glass and scoring and Kukoc was overmatched. Rodman shored up their frontcourt the following year.
FuShengAlex 1 year ago
@FuShengAlex Jordan's numbers were down across the board in 94/95. The year and a half lay off clearly held him back. He was back to his old self the following season. If any player missed the bulk of two seasons, they would certainly be rusty. Not to mention, team chemistry would be affected. Looking at how good MJ was before he retired, and after he came back and played a full season, his numbers were infinitely better than his abbreviated stint in 94/95.
bdowden23 1 year ago
Wrong, his POSTSEASON numbers in 1995 were on par with his career playoff averages. He came back the following year and had the worst Finals MVP performance of anyone in the 90s shooting a paltry 41%.
Chemistry is no excuse either. The HOU team that won the 95 title, had a double digit scorer quit on them during the playoffs, lost their starting PF to injuries, had players not playing their natural position and barely less than 2 months of Clyde and Hakeem playing together b4 playoffs.
FuShengAlex 1 year ago
@FuShengAlex Jordan's finals MVP performance can be attributed to just how freaking good Gary Payton was in his prime. Overall, his performance throughout the 95 playoffs was nothing short of dominant. And how can you say wrong? There were things Jordan did better than most, and taking care of the ball was one of those things. For the 95 playoffs, his turnovers skyrocketed to 4.1 a game. That's a ton of turnovers given that he only averaged around 2.7.
bdowden23 1 year ago
Actually Hakeem was out injured when the Clyde trade was made, so they did not play the entire 35 games together. And the Rockets only went 18-17 in those 35 games after the trade. They had to play Chucky Brown out of the CBA on 10 day contracts at PF. The Bulls entered the playoffs on a high going 13-4. The Rockets on the other hand staggered to the finish line, and MadMax was fuming about not starting anymore. Nobody had more chemistry issues than Houston that year.
FuShengAlex 1 year ago
@FuShengAlex Also, the amount of games Drexler played with the Rockets was double that that MJ had played with the Bulls. (35 games to 17) Some extra time on the court does wonders for a team.
bdowden23 1 year ago
That`s no excuse, if he was supposedly back to his best he shouldn`t have been limited in such a manner. Further proof that Rodman`s rebounding immensly helped the Bulls and covered his bad shooting which he didn`t have that luxury in 95 vs. Orlando.. Hakeem also faced a DPOY the previous year like MJ in 96 and dominated him.
FuShengAlex 1 year ago
@angeredjudge So does that mean Jordan beat Shaq's ass even worse the next year when he swept Shaq?
Amir883 1 year ago
@angeredjudge MJ wasnt himself that year because he had played half of the season dumbass. The next year, MJ had swept the Magic dumbass nigga!
Domini478 9 months ago
Domini478 ....yeah too bad MJ choked against Nick Anderson.
FuShengAlex 8 months ago
@FuShengAlex Haul ass, MJ was himself in the 95 season. Did Nick win a championship? Hell No! MJ killed Nick every time.
Domini478 8 months ago
Domini478 ......Hakeem showed MJ how to beat the Magic.
FuShengAlex 8 months ago
@FuShengAlex Haul ass...MJ always knew how to win dumbass.
Domini478 8 months ago
Domini478: watch?v=epPwITy_BMU
FuShengAlex 8 months ago
@angeredjudge C'mon Jordan played like 20 games that year after trying to play baseball. The man was rusty. To prove MY point, he and the Bulls won the NEXT 3 championships. So to attempt to dispute this fact is utterly ridiculous, but go ahead and try as I know it'll make you feel better...........
ChrisinEC 7 months ago
@ChrisinEC He scored like 55 points against NY while he was "rusty"
mansamunsa 6 months ago
@mansamunsa Yes, he scored 55 points while he was "rusty", do you catch any of the games besides that?
pheeel17 4 months ago
@angeredjudge ya and he and the Bulls came right back to swept the Magic in 96 play offs.
sunnyboy8644 7 months ago
@sunnyboy8644 Good answer!
GrindMasterElite 7 months ago
@angeredjudge He won????
aDezenT 6 months ago
@angeredjudge true, jordan only averaged 30.7 in the playoffs in 95, which are not good numbers for mj in the playoffs
emericaclay1 5 months ago
@angeredjudge He played in 17 games... was rusty from sitting out! Came back the following season, and handed Shaq and the Magic their ass! Can you say sweep? ;-)
chefdizzy1 4 months ago
Sucks, magic got swept, Hakeem won 2 in a row.
Granted MJ was gone, Bulls probably would of won both of those.
Either way, You don't get swept and then try to defend Shaq, he had Penny Hardaway, they still got swept.
xsalvioutlawx 2 years ago
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"Hakeem won 2 in a row......Granted MJ was gone,"
Yeah I know Jordan lost in '95 which is why he was gone.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
@xsalvioutlawx ..still got swept?...shaq still has twice as many rings as hakeem...make an excuse for that...its that that jordan had to leave to give those guys a chance?...proof?...in jordans first 3 full seasons jordan won it,and the rockets were nowhere to be seen
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 You don't make no sense, rockets didn't even face the bulls in the playoffs when jordan won those championships. So rockets now showing up during 90-93 had nothing t do with jordan
angeredjudge 1 year ago
@angeredjudge ....thats because they didnt make it to the finals.....
here is the point....if jordan was in the in in 94 the bulls woulda made the nba finals.....it woulda been bulls vs rockets.....the rockets were lucky they got to face the knicks instead.....the same knicks the bulls beat with jordan
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
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@shaqpopcorn34 yea ur right but rockets might still beat the bulls if they do face. No one could guard jordan but they didnt have anyone who can stop hakeem either.
angeredjudge 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 Yea and also you can't call it all luck either, rockets did defeat several great teams in western conference on their way to finals
angeredjudge 1 year ago
Really? Not on Youtube? You'd think with all the useless time you have on your hands, you'd find them. Not surprising, really, that it's a challenge for you.
No where did I imply I was an expert on it. You are the one acting like a basketball prodigy. If you're so great, shouldn't you be out writing columns, or even playing the sport? You seem a little bit preoccupied with this comments page.
Where did I admit I never watched the games? Please, tell me.
paranoid711 2 years ago
@paranoid711
I do write columns actually. Funny you even mention that.
I'm not preoccupied with anything. I only return to these pages when I'm replied to. I get email notificiations about it, so I click the link and it brings me back. There's nothing more to it than that. If I was never replied to, I'd never be here since the first time I was here.
Yeah really not on youtube. Feel free to show me where the entire playoffs is on youtube. Not just some silly highlight vids.
SinJackal 2 years ago
It's pathetic that you're even trying to argue, when you have nothing to back up your broke ass stance on the matter. You didn't even know who was on the Rockets that year, didn't watch the games, and have probably never even seen a full game of Olajuwon playing. Yet you're trying to argue like you're an expert on it.
What a joke. You clearly don't know shit, and even admitted you never watched the games, only seen hight vids on yourtube (that only showed Hakeem doing well).
SinJackal 2 years ago
So don't try peddling your fanboy bullshit to me. You didn't even watch either series. All you did was glance over Hakeem's stat page and watch highlight videos, now you think you're an expert. I actually watched the games. Hakeem did not "dominate" either player. It was the rest of the Rockets that did most of the damage, not Olajuwon.
SinJackal 2 years ago
Hakeem was a good player, but there's no way he dominated those games that playoffs. The Rockets team was raining threes of doom upon everyone. When a team shoots almost 50% in a series, of course they're going to win. People just naturally (and stupidly) credit the star of the team for it, when it wasn't even their doing. Considering how well their team was shooting, Olajuwon did not need to force up as many shots as he did trying to score 30 a game. His team was shooting lights out.
SinJackal 2 years ago
Why did he average less rebounds? Because Shaq was ripping them away from him throughout the finals.
Considering that Shaq had a BETTER finals than Hakeem, it's pathetic to claim that Hakeem even outplayed Shaq, much less "dominated" him. It's the same with the Robinson lines. Robinson clearly had a good series, and Hakeem only had two, possibly three games with stats even noticeably better than Robinson's (point-wise, nowhere else), and the Rockets even lost two of those three games.
SinJackal 2 years ago
The Rockets as a team was shooting over 40% from three the entire playoffs. You can pretend that it was because of Hakeem, but it wasn't. Shaq did not need a double team to defend him. It was Shaq.
You can pretend Hakeem "dominated" Shaq, but he didn't. Shaq averaged 28/13 the whole finals, and shot almost 60% doing it, with more than 6 assists per game and almost 3 blocks a game too. Haleem shot under 50%, averaged less assists, blocks, and WAYYYYY less rebounds per game.
SinJackal 2 years ago
You're filling in the rest to pretend that I haven't made a good point, when I made a good one. That's another thing that only fools do when they can't reply logically to a perspective.
it has nothing to do with calling you personally foolish. it's a fool's argument. The fact that you got upset over me even saying tells me a lot about your personality. You have very thin skin, and get offended very easily.
SinJackal 2 years ago
u are really dumb dude...u cant come on here making stuff up...hakeem was the best player in the league from 93-95 and the numbers prove it.even versus shaq.
housebanks22 2 years ago
Banks22 (long time no see, btw)....the guy is a joke, tried to argue that Hakeem had MadMax as a teamate when he won vs. Orlando in 1995.....lol.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
u might win dummy of the year award sin jackal...hakeems numbers were better than shaq.dont make up lies dude.go check and bring back actual stats fool and you'll see that youre WRONG!
housebanks22 2 years ago
SinJackal 2 years ago
So look at the stats. Shaq was getting more rebounds, more assists, and more blocks per game, while shooting 11% better than Hakeem. Hakeem has a couple more baskets per game than Shaq, but that's due to Hakeem forcing up a lot more shots than Shaq did. Which is why Shaq was shooting 11% better than Hakeem in the series.
So, as is now proven by stats, Shaq was better in the finals, and was CLEARLY not even close to have been "dominated". Shaq outplayed him. Hakeem gets WAY too much credit
SinJackal 2 years ago
@SinJackal Here's the only stat that matterss; The Rockets won the championship.
Not Shaq's Magic, Hakeem's Rockets.
paranoid711 2 years ago
Yep, the Rockets as a team won the finals. That doesn't mean every player on the Rockets did better than every player on the Magic, now does it?
I always love when fools use that worthless argument, or the "rings" argument. You're essentially saying that every player on any team that wins the finals, is better than every player on every team that didn't win the finals that year. It simply isn't true, and it's a broken and illogical argument.
SinJackal 2 years ago
@SinJackal You are arguing that at the time, Shaq was the superior player. However, the team that Shag lead lost to the team that Hakeem lead.
Leadership is an important trait.
Also, thanks for the insults when I argued respectfully. It tells me a lot about your personality.
paranoid711 2 years ago
What you think about my "personality" doesn't matter. The fact is that you used a fool's argument. You should be upset with yourself rather than me.
I was arguing, that at the time, Hakeem in fact, did NOT "dominate" the best centers in the league on the way to a championship, that Hakeem fans credit solely Hakeem for.
I argue that the rest of the Rockets team was shooting at an extremely high percentage, and that that is the main reason they won, and not because of Olajuwon.
SinJackal 2 years ago
@SinJackal They were shooting at an extremely high percentage because they were getting open looks.
Why were they getting open looks, you might be asking? Well, it's simple (just like you!). Hakeem was creating that with the traffic, and defense he drew from the Magic. Just ask your almighty statistics; Hakeem was averaging 6 APG in the Finals, which is great for a center, and doesn't even take into consideration the things he created.
paranoid711 2 years ago
They were shooting at a high percentage because they were a good shooting team. Hakeem was not being double teamed, therefore none of them were "open" because of Hakeem. The Rockets were shooting at a very high percentage from three the entire playoffs. Hakeem did not average 6 assists throughout the playoffs, so his passing had nothing to do with it. They just had good shooters. I bet you think Clyde Drexler wouldn't have put up good numbers without Hakeem too huh? Your'e such a fanboy.
SinJackal 2 years ago
@SinJackal Really, a good shooting team? The only two to average over .500 FGP (besides Olajuwon) were Otis Thorpe, and Clyde Drexler; Thorpe because he got a lot of looks inside, and Drexler because he was Drexler.
Vernon Maxwell didn't even average over .400 FGP.
They were shooting at a high three percentage the entire playoffs because thats the way teams chose to play them. Zone defense gave them good outside looks.
paranoid711 2 years ago
The people you listed weren't even on the team, becuase they were traded for Drexler. I now seriously doubt you even saw the games. Considering that you're 18, you would've been about 3 at the time.
You clearly did not watch the games, and if you did, couldn't remember them properly. I'm not sure why you're even acting like you did.
As for Rockets shooting. Kenny Smith shot 44% from three in the playoffs. Horry 40%. Ellie 40%. Cassel 33% Drexler 48% overall.
SinJackal 2 years ago
@SinJackal I'm sure you've heard of Youtube, it's a great site. That's how I watched the game.
And your arguing is supporting my point... the team shot mildly well throughout the regular season (as evidenced by their mediocre 47-35 record) but improved in the playoffs and finals due to the attention Hakeem was getting.
You should be out, enjoying the world at 24, not arguing on a Youtube comments page.
paranoid711 2 years ago
What attention Hakeem was getting? Shaq was defending him solo. Olajuwon was not getting any extra attention.
Every shooter on that Rockets team, was a good shooter on every team they've been on. Olajuwon didn't magically have some effect on their shooting before they were even on the Rockets, or afterward.
And those games are not on youtube.
Once again, you have PROVEN that you did not watch the games (you just admitted it), and have only seen a couple highlight videos.
SinJackal 2 years ago
"Shaq was defending him solo."
Wrong (as usual) SinJackal....Horace Grant their all-nba 2nd team Def PF also guarded Hakeem during stretches in that series. Go to top 10 1995 NBA Finals and watch number 6, if you feel like refuting the nonsense you just posted.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
@FuShengAlex
One play in a highlight. Don't matter.
SinJackal 2 years ago
@paranoid711 .....they were 47-35 because they had a midseason trade.....otis thorpe for clyde drexler....the chemistry wasnt there with drexler at first,the rockets didnt even know he could post up when they got him.....since it was a power forward for a shooting guard,the team had to adjust....the 47 wins was misleading because of these things
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angeredjudge 1 year ago
that was one play oneman...dont be an idiot...like the man said check the finals 95
housebanks22 2 years ago
Yes, check the finals housebanks22. Shaq had better numbers than Hakeem in the finals. He was practically averaging a triple double, and shooting over 60% from the field in Hakeem's face for the WHOLE finals, while holding Hakeem to about 47-48%.
Also, don't forget that Shaq challenged Hakeem to a one on one match after those finals, and he pussed out like a little bitch, making excuses since he knew he was about to get his shit pushed in.
SinJackal 2 years ago
Lemme quote you on that obbymelons, "Uhhh, what is Shaq known for? Scoring? Well, Hakeem is at 8th & Shaq is only at 16th.."
5. Shaquille O'Neal 27741
6. Moses Malone* 27409
7. Elvin Hayes* 27313
8. Hakeem Olajuwon* 26946
yup. shaq's #16 @ Points. /sarcasm .. oh btw, Shaq has 4 rings how many does hakeem have? :) .. Prime Hakeem vs Young Shaq of course hakeem is better. but when Prime Shaq (2000s) vs post prime Hakeem(2000s)? you know the answer :)
kupapot 2 years ago
so much for 'prime' Hakeem 'dominating' Shaq every time they met
oneman91 2 years ago
oh my god you did not just say that
hellblade23 2 years ago
Haha, one dunk.. Watch the finals of 95 and check out the sweep and how Hakeem made the winning basket in game 1.. Nice try..
homeboiUH 2 years ago
4-0! thats dominating kid! one dunk doesnt change a damn thing. plus his giant ass dunked on everybody any way, too bad thats all he was good for and got swept by the master. i dont need to tell u ur wrong, i'll let all the negatives do that for me.
pickzkickz 2 years ago
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA THAT HURT!!!
lucasscott3 2 years ago
I can't argue wit wut u said bcuz yeah he is tha only playa to win a ship without an all star teammate, however I seen some damn good players make it to tha finals and lose without all star teammates. Charles Barkley did it, Reggie Miller, AI, and LeBron back in 2007 put on an unbelievable performance in tha postseason. Those players didn't have teammates like Dream did step up in tha playoffs, so there's been better performances than wut he did.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago
you're just talking gibberish-Dream nearly every year kicked ass in the playoffs-it's difficult to get your teamates to step up,and you are giving Dream no credit at all,as if having 3 guys on his ass and getting Mario,SAM,kENNY WIDE OPEN LOOKS had nothing to do with making them better.and another thing-Shaq wasn't even close to twice the player of Kobe-in fact,even though Kobe couldn't win w/out Shaq(though he just did)-Shaq definitely would not have won w/out Bryant--best guard in NBA-wake up
jeroel 2 years ago
I'll give Dream credit. I never said he sucked, I just said I'd take Shaq over him. Hakeem waz by far tha best player on that team no doubt, but he had talent around him. Kobe wasn't even considered a superstar until shaq left, there's even an interview on youtube from 2004 where Charles say Kobe is a good player but Shaq is way better than him. When LA needed a huge game Shaq waz puttin' up 50 points in tha finals, he waz MVP in those LA finals, not Kobe.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago 2
opinions vary-but i think you should watch those championships from '2000-'2002 again-Kobe had some monster games himself- Shaq was the best Laker,but Kobe was not only good-he was a great player then and now-and there were games when Shaq couldn't hit a free throw,Kobe stepped up and literally saved the Lakers-,watch again..Kobe was a superstar in those title seasons,just not as great as Shaq yet,but w/out the #1 guard- don't see the Lakers winning those titles.Dream never had THAT much help
jeroel 2 years ago
I do have some of tha games, and one that comes to mind waz I think game 4 of tha 2000 finals when Shaq fouled out and Kobe carried tha Lakers offense through tha game and won. Yeah he had good games too, but Shaq waz miles better and I seriously doubt Kobe would be where he's at now if Shaq wasn't tha team leader all those years. I will admit Kobe waz/is better than any player Dream played alongside, however that has nuttin' to do wit how good Shaq used to be.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago
that you admit Kobe saved the Lakers that game shows you have character.......Shaq was "the man" in those title years,i don't wanna argue anymore.........peace out-Jeroel
jeroel 2 years ago
aight man nice arguin' wit u.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago
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Who did Hakeem have? No all-stars AT ALL on those 2 championship teams.
Hakeem is in the top ten for steals blocks rebounding && points
Uhhh, what is Shaq known for? Scoring? Well, Hakeem is at 8th & Shaq is only at 16th..
Shaq already has more years in the NBA now also.
obbymelons 2 years ago 2
Shaq did more than scoring. And I don't kno if u read all my comments but I explained myself and I can tell u right now if I waz building a team I would pick my center to be Shaq over Hakeem all day.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago
we all have our opinions but even Shaq would pick Hakeem, he said he was the best and i'm not gonna argue with him, plus hakeem wasn't a liability at the line and could shoot and defend better but pick who u like.
pickzkickz 2 years ago
I dunno I just think Shaq's dominance, epsecially in hi Laker dayz hasn't been matched by anyone.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago
I think having Kobe on his team helped him a bit, don't you think? Olajuwon won with Horry, Cassell and had Drexler one year. Straight up Shaq is ALL dunks and thats why Hakeem schooled him as well as every center he played against including Jabbar, Malone,Robinson's,Ewings etc. What great centers did Shaq embarrass other than the dunks? Even Shaq said Dream was the best! Oh wait, so did Jordan!! I respect ur opinion but Shaq couldn't dunk till he was 6'9"! hack-a-shaq! he cant shoot! all dunks.
pickzkickz 2 years ago
Are you out of your mind? They had Clyde Drexler, Sam Cassel, Robert Horry,Mario Ellie, Vernon Maxwell, and several other good players.
They were fuckin stacked dude. The Magic didn't have shit besides Shaq and Hardaway.
SinJackal 2 years ago 2
"The Magic didn't have shit besides Shaq and Hardaway."
Hey SinJACKASS....ever heard of Horace Grant an all-NBA def PF and 3 time champ b4 Orlando.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
What about Horace Grant? He's a roleplayer. Barely gets a dozen points per game. Why not just name their whole team and claim they're great because of the teams they've been on in the past? Compare their lineups, The Magic weren't an elite team.
SinJackal 2 years ago
Yeah......Horace Grant was a "roleplayer" and Robert Horry and Elie were "stars" according to you.
Oh yeah Houston had Vernon Maxwell according to you vs. Orlando.....the same guy that got kicked off the team at the beginning of the playoffs,lol. You just never learn do you?
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
Nobody said Horry and Ellie were elite players. The fact was that compared to Horace Grant, who YOU claimed to be "elite", Horry had basically the same stats besides a couple rebounds.
Plus this whole time you were claiming Hakeem outplayed Shaq. . .how is that, when Shaq had better stats, and shot for a much higher FG%? Shaq was shooting 60%, vs Hakeem's sub 50%. Shaq had more assists, rebounds, AND blocks, and only a few less points due to Hakeem's high number of FGAs.
SinJackal 2 years ago
So due to the obvious reality that Hakeem did NOT outplay Shaq in the finals, you cannot claim Hakeem led his team to a victory over him, as Shaq had superior numbers. The Rockets were just a better overall team that year. Just like 80% of the wins the Rockets had during their two championships in the playoffs were during games Hakeem did NOT outplay the big man on the other team. His stats were overall good, but they lost almost every game you could claim he -did- lead them to a win in.
SinJackal 2 years ago
No SinJackass....I'd rather listen to Shaq commenting on the 95 Finals than your lame attempts downplay Olajuwon's title years:
"I was the first guy to say Hakeem Olajuwon beat me in the [1995] NBA finals. He killed me. He dominated me. I didn't go, 'Oh, he's traveling. They had experience. Wah-wah-wah.' I'm a man. Hakeem Olajuwon dusted my butt."
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
Whatever FuGayngGaylex.
Hakeem pussed out on the one on one, because he knew he would get creamed. As for Shaq saying that, he was trying to not make excuses. Hakeem didn't dominate him, look at the numbers.
I'll post them for that other fool in a second. You will see there's no way hakeem "dominated" him, and that Shaq had equal to, or better stats in just about every category during the finals. And yet, the Rockets won "because of Hakeem"? No. You give him too much credit.
SinJackal 2 years ago
SinJackass, I never said Hakeem "dominated" Shaq, but he did to DRob. But he outplayed Shaq. There's a difference between the two.
Yeah your "statline" doesn't show that Horace Grant, who made the all-defensive team, did a better defensive job on Dream than Shaq did. Nor does it show that in Gm's 2 and 4 a lot of Shaq points came with the result not in doubt and not when the game was close and in the balance. Go peddle your nonsense on someone who hasn't watched the games for years.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
He didn't do either. Shaq, as I just posted, had superior stats than Hakeem during the series. He even defended Hakeem better than Hakeem defended him. When Shaq did better in the whole series, how does that mean he got outplayed?
Oh right, it doesn't. And you're giving Hakeem credit for something he didn't do, AGAIN.
Shaq was better than Hakeem in that series, the Rockets as a collective team outplayed the Magic; however, Hakeem did NOT outplay Shaq.
SinJackal 2 years ago
You're the only one peddling nonsense, pretending that Hakeem dominated Shaq and DRob, and then pretend that any time that's clearly not the case, that there's some excuse for it. Hakeem led his team to a win~ and yet gave up so many stats to the guy he was defending? How is that even logical? He struggled to match Shaq's stats, and yet somehow that means he outplayed him even though Shaq had better stats?
You're clearly delusional. You give Hakeem way too much credit.
SinJackal 2 years ago
did they also have barkley at that time or was he in phoneix
tankepure 2 years ago
Shaq in his prime better than Hakeem? WTF you smoking? I need some of that, Hakeem would SMOKE Shaq, all Shaq was was a inside player, Hakeem was inside and outside, he was a beast on both he even had a jumper Shaq can't hit free throws and them fuckin FREE shots
KGLookALike 2 years ago
I'd take Shaq over Hakeem all day. Shaq waz a better scorer and rebounder. Hakeem had more blocks however shaq in his prime would still get 2-3 a game. Shaq is prolly tha most dominant offensive force that ever came into tha league. Maybe Hakeem had more talent but if it came down to me choosin' one of them 4 my team I'm takin' Shaq all day.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago
dumbass,Dream greatest rebounder 3 seasons,Shaq zero,Dream is #1 scoring center per game post season-you're on drugs to pick lardass Shaq over Lion Olajuwon-Shaq needed the top guard in the NBA tO WIN-Dream won 2 titles with no all stars-even Clyde wasn't an all star in '95,his game was fading until he joined up with Dream mid-season-idiot
jeroel 2 years ago
u call someone in their third year a vet? So Rudy Gay and Brandon Roy are vet's now huh? Dude get real. Regardless of how skilled someone waz Shaq dominated them anyways. Look up numbers man, shaq and Hakeem are damn near equal in boards and Shaq scored way better than Hakeem did. Dream wouldn't have won a damn thing anyways if MJ didn't leave for 2 years to play baseball.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago
Shaq scored more reg season but lost a ton of games at the line-Dream was 3 times the defensive player of lazy lardass Shaq,and against tougher competition,Dream scored more per game in the post season.you get real,Shaq is an ego maniac-AND STILL ADMITS OLAJUWON IS THE #1 CENTER-HE HAS STATED THAT ON MANY OCCASIONS-BY THE WAY,who did Shaq face in the finals? Todd MCJOKE-SMITS AND PAST HIS PRIME MUTOMBO!!-DREAM RAN CIRCLES AROUND THE greatest front line-Bird,MCHALE,Parrish-killed Shaq,Ewing
jeroel 2 years ago
Aight well I didn't see Hakeem's ass in tha finals his third year now did I? It took that fool 9 years to get there and like I said if MJ never left tha league Hakeem would be ringless. And I don't care wut u or anyone else says, Shaq dominated ppl so many times and overpowered ppl it ain't even funny. He's put up 50 points in games b4 dude, whether u hate him or not, tha dudes a beast.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago
idiot,Shaq plays most of his prime with zero all stars like Dream and he doesn't win shit,Dream is the only player in history to play most of his prime without all star teamates and still lead team to 2 championships.and your fucking retarded "wouldn't have won w/out MIKE'S retrirement!-moron,Mike never ever stopped Dream from getting to the finals-EVER-MIKE LOST MOST OF THE TIME THEY FACED IN THE REG. SEASON,he admitted he didn't know how to beat Dream,god you fucking Jordan fans are stupid
jeroel 2 years ago
Then why all of a sudden when MJ leaves he wins? And when he won tha league waz weak anyways man. Shaq fought for his titles and beat legit teams man. You prolly just some old ass dude who don't wanna give tha newer players props. Get over yaself man.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago
why not ask Mikee why he left?? his dad died?-that's a joke,doesn't matter,that they never met in the finals was fate-it doesn't take from the fact that Dream fought to get to 3 finals-when Mike was MIA-3 TIMES DREAM WAS THERE WHEN MIKE WASN'T-BESIDES,EVERY FUCKING 1 OF MIKE'S 5 YEARS W/OUT SCOTTIE-MIKE HAD A LOSING SEASON-ALL 5 YEARS..........SO DON'T GIVE ME THAT TYPICAL DREAM WON ONLY BECAUSE MIKE LEFT-MIKE LOST MOST OF THE TIME THEY MET AND MIKE NEVER STOPPED DREAM-GET REAL
jeroel 2 years ago
MJ didn't have losing seasons he just didn't win a ship until Pippen came. And anyways MJ don't have nuttin' 2 do wit stoppin' Dream cuz they ain't even tha same position.
AK4Lyfe907 2 years ago