Revolutionary Socialist/Marxist leads MoveOn.org pro-union rally

[billwhit1357]

I am totally against abortions, but these people make me think that some people should have been aborted, like everyone in this video! I wish Obama's whoring mother had had an abortion, sure would have saved America a lot of money, especially for their 17 vacations, so far, the year isn't over yet. I pray that Obambi and his horrible skank silverback are taken to the curb in November, where all Trash should be!

[AnalMart]

Democracy looks like a bunch of union maggots standing around and chanting in hopes to keeping their gravy train public sector jobs?

To hell with the unions. They will fight for pedophiles and lazy ass teachers but won't do shit for some woman who told a Hispanic kid to "go back to Mexico"

I live in WI and our public sector unions got TEABAGGED by Scott Walker! Here is to hoping more states start doing the same thing.

[galenblake821]

This is one "dependent" video. =p

[dwightpaul25]

Your video is a favorite on Massachusetts

[LiberalAven]

Oh, how cute... somebody knows how to edit video to keep somebody's sovereign words from interfering with the gut-reaction hatred that Americans feel against the labels ("Marxist;" "revolutionary socialist") for their stance. You must be OH SO PROUD of yourself! Just like the big boys do at Fox News, eh?

Why not post all of what he was saying at the end there? Afraid that people are starting to listen to those socialists? You should be afraid of that... because people ARE starting to listen.

[tomasbermea]

viva la revolucion, viva socialismo!!! :D screw corporate dominated capitalism!!!

[mkatweeks]

@tomasbermea Dumbass. Do you know what happens to useful idiots once your "change" takes effect?

[zynthysys]

The Left will rise! Glory to Socialism!

[mkatweeks]

@zynthysys Go live in a Socialist country for a good decade, then decide if you really like it before you screw over your own nation and piss away the Constitution so you can STEAL from others.

[zynthysys]

@mkatweeks

Socialism is against theft; we do not recognized the ownership of the ruling class as legitimate, so nothing can logically be "stolen" from them. The working class -- those who live by selling their labour, are the real sources of value, and so should reap the benefits of that which they produce. Those whose income is not dependent on their productive labour are the real thieves. Also, nothing in the constitution prevents socialism -- it would only require a couple of amendments.

[mkatweeks]

@zynthysys I.E., in order to justify STEALING, you have to redefine the words "theft" and "ownership," as well as amend the Constitution. Good luck with that one, btw. Socialists generally have to hide their socialist tendencies in order to even get elected, but you think the states will RATIFY your theft? Those who claim a right to that which they have not earned are the "REAL THIEVES." You are making a case for THEFT. No matter what you WANT it to be, that's what it is.

[WhatCrass]

@mkatweeks

We live in a crumbling nation with epic unemployment, 2 million people behind bars and vast wealth inequality, while being told that we inhabit the best country on earth and to think otherwise is heresy.

[mkatweeks]

@WhatCrass What you don't seem to get is the very FACT that you are living in the Socialist Utopia you love ALREADY. If you think the current Corporatism is because of Capitalism, then you have no clue what is going on in this country. We haven't seen a free market here in SEVERAL DECADES. The uneven playing field your revered "gubmint" has created is exactly why we are in the situation we are today. Way to be blind.

[LiberalAven]

@mkatweeks You're right, say I, that some socialist-minded reform allowed us to get to this awful point in the Republic's history, but capitalist-minded reform from Reagan onward is just as guilty. We could argue about whose side is more to blame, but that's fruitless.

The Problem: America isn't capitalist OR socialist... it's FASCIST, and that's STRANGLING LIBERTY!

The current system is a monster & it appears we agree on that. Let's build from there.

E Pluribus Unum,

- Your Fellow Countryman

[Mike10four]

Socialism ideals: social justice, greater equality, and security; implementation: indoctrination, tyranny, and enforcement respectively. Focus should be on the origin of our unalienable Rights summarized in my channel video. When these Rights are view through the prism of science we know the Laws of Nature trumps mortals in power at any scholarly level; understanding these Rights in their proper context may help make this world a better place to live.

[WhatCrass]

@Mike10four

Nope, it's more about workers controlling the means of production and having control of their own lives versus some unelected CEO who dictates how much money they'll make, what kind of work they do, or what kind of cuts in health care they'll take.

It's about being in control of your own labor. Not what Glenn Beck says.

[Mike10four]

@WhatCrass CEO compensation is defined by the board of directors. The board of directors is elected by the stock holders. You can be a stock holder in a corporation. Since most stock holders are “workers,” we workers are controlling the means of production. You are in control of your own labor! Don’t like the CEO you are working for, tell them to kiss your ass and find another job or become a CEO of your own corporation. For now we have this freedom in the USA. Enjoy it before it ends!

[WhatCrass]

@Mike10four

My CEO was given 86,000 shares/votes by the board of directors. And right now the stock is selling for $84 a share. Do you honestly think workers of that company could somehow scrape together that much money when they make $200 a week? And then somehow get him unelected?

Keep living in your capitalist uptopia.

[Mike10four]

@WhatCrass My friend, there are NO “Utopia(s)!” Holderlin: “What has always made the state a hell on earth has been precisely that man has tried to make it his heaven;” as in Utopia. My take: What has always made the state a joy on earth has been precisely that man has Liberty to make his own heaven; as in our unalienable Rights. The corporation is not your nemesis, it’s the state!

[WhatCrass]

@Mike10four

Engels said that "the state is, in the final analysis, nothing other than a body of armed men".

It's used to suppress one class over the other.  Currently the corporations control the state, the media, and the courts. They control our lives since they control our wages used to survive.

So when you're complaining about the government you're really complaining about big business.

[Mike10four]

@WhatCrass Whatever Engels or Marx said the result of their ideology is summed up in the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto (by: Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, 1848) that clearly defines the function of the state. Under Thomas Jefferson’s ideology about our unalienable Rights (see my channel video), the US Constitution was design in the light of the principles of Jefferson’s ideology. Compare these two documents and you will understand the relationship between corporate and state.

[LiberalAven]

@Mike10four Reality, in my view, is that both government and corporations are mere structures and not, in themselves, good or evil. BUT, all structures are operated and directed by human beings, capable of BOTH good and evil.

Upon founding, most structures are dominated by good persons (structures are created to make life better, after all). Sadly, over time, those of great cunning and greed will dominate these systems for the power, turning them from mild gain for all to major gain for the few.

[Mike10four]

@LiberalAven True about your “mere structures” comment however, their structures are very different. Humans are imperfect, especially in any society who lost their moral compass, thanks to education. Humans run governments and corporations, immoral corporations eventually go out of business, immoral governments will spill blood before going out of business. Corporations generate wealth; a government only transfers wealth and consumes part or all of it in the process. Big difference!

[mkatweeks]

@WhatCrass  Wake up! There's nothing capitalist about the Corporate favoritism that the CORRUPT U.S. govt is providing. Govt in bed with Business = your current Utopia. Big shock, it DOESN'T WORK!

[mkatweeks]

@WhatCrass Sounds like petty jealousy to me. You are still free to start your own business and be your own CEO. That is, if Obama and the unions LET you. So much for freedom. At what cost will you redistribute the wealth, Crass? Your own freedom? Your own rights? Who gets to decide how much money YOU make? Personally, I think I should be in charge, and I think you should be fired. Who are YOU to tell me otherwise? Fascist much, pinko?

[mkatweeks]

@WhatCrass If you really think that there won't be a CEO, even if the "workers" control the means of production, then you don't know your history very well. Where in the world has history ever shown Socialism/Marxism to WORK? WHERE? WHEN? Soviet Russia? Cuba (who is currently shifting to capitalism)? Who are these ANGELS you think are going to "fairly" redistribute wealth? Did you ever hear of a breadline?

[WhatCrass]

@mkatweeks

I saw it working when I visited co-op factories and farms in Venezuela in 2008. There were no bosses and every worker had say and one vote on all decisions relating to the workplace.

There are over 300,000 of these co-ops in the country.

And the only breadlines I know about where created by the capitalist depression in the 1920's.

[mkatweeks]

@WhatCrass Wow. So you never knew anything about Soviet Russia? Never heard of a commie breadline? Then you don't know history at all.

[LiberalAven]

@mkatweeks No cigar....

Just as current America isn't truly capitalist (or socialist), the USSR wasn't truly communist (or socialist). To this day, there is ONE country that has reached & sustained near-communism; Cuba.

No question, the USSR evolved into tragedy. But, the Russians had never known non-authoritarian rule AND tried full communism TO BEGIN. Moving into socialism through (and as) a democracy makes far greater sense.

Regardless... true capitalism is still better than this corporatism.

[UnknownPundit1]

If it's a choice between union busting and economy busting I'll take union busting. Unions have done as much to drive business out of the country as government regulation has.

[TheYoungTurdz]

No war, but class war?? Where the middle class elitist union member attacks the middle class and the poor nonunion?? That isn't class war. This is taking advantage of the middle class and poor nonunion Americans who have already given up and cut back.

MoveOn, should just moveon. This is a done deal.

[WhatCrass]

@TheYoungTurdz

There are only two classes of people; workers and bosses. What kind of wage the workers makes doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're a dentist, janitor, football player, or a teacher; they all sell their labor to receive a paycheck that they live off.

The people who write the pay checks, they're the owning class who's out to push them all to poverty wages to secure a higher profit. Those people also own the government and media.

Two groups with two separate interests.

[TheYoungTurdz]

@WhatCrass How incorrect you are.  I feel sorry for you, as you have a limited mind.

[WhatCrass]

@TheYoungTurdz

Care to explain at all? I used to see the world based on wages and taxes, but when you look at the basic raw form of capitalism it gives a better picture of the class war.

[TheYoungTurdz]

@WhatCrass I pity anyone who has fallen into the trap that the dems have set out for you. If you believe that you can only be a "boss" or a "worker" you have the mindset that will never attempt anything other than complaining about the dems oppositiion. Obviously, you are stuck in the "worker" mindset.

[WhatCrass]

@TheYoungTurdz

The only other people who don't fall into "worker" or "boss" would be farmers. Since I am a worker I look out for my interests just like the boss looks out for his. Our two interests are opposite of one another. Unless I can somehow start up my own company knowing that 9 out of 10 small businesses fail in the first year. I'll always be a worker.

The bosses have two political parties, workers need their own.

You are looking out for the bosses interests.

[TheYoungTurdz]

@WhatCrass The only thing that keeps you a "worker" in your own mind is your fear and your inability to believe in yourself. Anyone can start a business, but it takes hard work and guts to see it through.

You shouldn't try though, because you have already set out to fail in your mind by setting limitiations.

You are your own worst enemy, just don't blame others.

[WhatCrass]

@TheYoungTurdz

Care to explain at all? I used to see the world based on wages and taxes, but when you look at the basic raw form of capitalism it gives a better picture of the class war.

As Warren Buffet said "There is a class war going on and it's my side that's winning."

[uzimodem]

wow, the Tea Party rallies were just like this....no wait.....no they werent. The Tea Party rallies had people being assualted.....no wait....no they didnt. The Tea Party rallies had socialists, commies, anarchists....no wait...no they were flying the Flag and singin the national Anthem. Jeez, those Tea Party People are dangerous!! LOL

[WhatCrass]

@uzimodem

A Tea Party guy flipped our table over and called us "white niggers" in Boston in April. How's that for racist violence?

[uzimodem]

@WhatCrass :as compared to incidents of leftists? not so impressed. you guys are way more experienced in those areas then we will ever be. we are kids in a sand box compared to you people. you have it down to science. plenty of videos on Youtube and elsewhere to prove it.

[WhatCrass]

@uzimodem

Not impressed!? The guy did it right next to a reporter for the Boston Phoenix, so it worked out pretty well to show the racist and violent nature of some of the Tea Party members. Most of them are not racists, but if you're a racist you're probably in the Tea Party.

And since we're dominated by two right-wing parties we're used to protests and demonstrations. Not corporate funded Fox News/Tea Party Express rallies.

[uzimodem]

@WhatCrass :BORING!!!! you need better talking points boy. There are racists....everywhere...unlike you liberals who like to say it is in the Tea Party only!! I mean come on dude. really. I could quote so many Dem racists but I really dont want to rehash shit you can find on youtube or google. the Tea Party is not funded by Fox, unlike NPR and the MSM which is funded by Soros, lately of the $400 million amount. dont be a hypocrite okay, not with me. I will throw it right back at you. pathetic

[mkatweeks]

@WhatCrass Wow. This isn't a TEA PARTY rally, dude. This is a MOVEON.org rally. Deflect much? I fail to see what your posts have to do with this video. So, if you can prove racists exist in a movement where there is no registration or membership card to carry, simply an agreement of ideology, then does that make the movement what you say? Btw, the most racist people I know are rich, white Liberals who push the same middle class death that you do.

[mkatweeks]

@WhatCrass I fail to see the relevance to this video.

[1Guitarslayer]

LOOK, COMMUNISTS!!!

too close for missiles, switching to guns... pew pew pew!

[DeathKorps94]

Commie SCUMBAGS once again advocating violence in this country

[WhatCrass]

@DeathKorps94

They're not intending to physically fight the state (AKA those cops watching them). Fighting back against budget cuts that close down public schools and fire fighter stations is a good thing.

[DeathKorps94]

@WhatCrass If you don't think the plan is too get rid of the US constitution and move in a socialist/communist government then I would suggest you do some research.

[LiberalAven]

@DeathKorps94 Well, I've been researching for the last 6 years, and it's plain to me that we're not at all heading in a TRULY "socialist" direction.

I agree, however, that the current direction is toward the sundering of our Constitution (an utter travesty). As to the ends, though, I see them as FASCIST, not socialist.

And, don't give me the old "fascism is national socialism & thus socialist." National socialism isn't "socialist" in any sense that true socialists approve of. It abuses the term.

[CubanExile]

This is what FAIL looks like . ..

[Hellpig]

kill a commie for mommy

[mcv47]

Democracy isn't much more than mob rule. Anyone impressed by the fists in the air?

[cuttheloop]

So... Democracy "looks like", 40-50 losers with nothing better to do?

Chanting something over and over, does not make it so.

[LiberalAven]

@cuttheloop A truth! Chanting something over and over doesn't make it true; somebody should really get that into the heads of Congressmen and Fox News.

Examples:

"The wealth will trickle-down."

"Unions are what's stopping economic growth."

"Government always gets in the way."

"Obamacare creates death panels." (I don't like that law either, but the "death panels" crap is still a lie)

"Corporations are people."

"We fight them there so we don't have to fight them here."

And the list goes on........

[TEHTYMEKITTEH1]

WE'RE NOT A DEMOCRACY SHITSTAINS. WE'RE A REPUBLIC

[TEHTYMEKITTEH1]

WE HAVE YOU IN OUR SCOPES

[implumkrazy]

not a good idear for unions to talk about class war fair when lots of american don't make what union members make in pay. gess what the gig is up

[higuma75]

That's not democracy. That's an angry mob of stormtroopers trying to dominate the streets like in mid-war Germany.

[WhatCrass]

@higuma75

Wouldn't that be "pre-war" Germany? And the Nazis first targets were communists. Might want to brush up on that history ;-)

[LiberalAven]

@higuma75 An angry mob is one of the very essences of democracy! It's not the prettiest part of democracy, no, and it mostly shows-up when the system is MAJORLY FAILING... but it's TRUE democracy to the core; the people take it upon themselves to enact needed changes to return prosperity to the masses. That's not communism (though it CAN be). That's direct democratic citizens' action.

The Republic is failing because the representatives are corrupt. Fix it, or witness true democracy-in-action.