im 6 feet four inches tall. my digestive tract is 3 times my height. compare that to a sheep with a digestive tract of 80 feet. sheep ferment food stuffs. humans do not ferment food. we were never meant to eat grass seeds or cooked food. i will cook my meat only because raw meat isnt fresh enough. its not always going to be not fresh though so who know. i might eat a vegan. LOL relax vegans, i wont eat you.
I have not missed the point, this video has surpassed the point. I 100% agree with eating healthy, I myself am a very healthy person, however this video has taken it to a level of ignorance.If the aim of the video is to educate then the first couple of mins would be suffice. Saying pharma companies are all about the money, of couse they are, thats business but at the end of the day they save lifes, as do doctors..its not there jobs to educate you on food we have the magic of the internet,use it.
@shaned1000 Thank you for opening my eyes. I am sure the armies of commenters who praised this video will also be finding the scales dropping from their eyes by the tens of thousands. How naive of us to think that doctors have some kind of responsibility to educate about diet and that there is some kind of connection between what we eat and health. What an absurdly tenuous connection to make between the motives of drug companies and misinformation about the most effective way to manage health.
This video has irritated me. Obviously it would be impossible for us to go back to the cave man days and eat everything organic, firstly have you heard of supply and demand, yes it takes time to do things organicly thus it would be impossible to do everything organic and not have people dying of hunger, also time and high demand because of low supply would mean only the rich could afford food and the economy would eventually fall.
@shaned1000 You have missed the point. This is not a call for a change to how our food system works and makes no claims as the viability of this way of eating for the whole world. It is a call to the individual to eat what's best for them. You could judge that to be short sighted and selfish - but each person has to make the decision whether to eat like that and be healthier, or to eat in the way that's most sustainable and later enjoy their moral superiority from the comfort of a hospital bed.
@alex lee johnson 1000 actually the SAD diet is converting petroleum calories to nutritional calories making grains highly unsustainable.contracted to a paleo diet that manually can harvest and eat without cooking from a garden. i read where man could not eat grains in the past because you burn more calories in planting , harvest, grinding, gathering firewood , and cooking, than a person can get back from the whole grains they eat. agriculture could only coexist with animal or human slavery.
Wonderful video! btw my friend followed this famous diet program known as: Impact 790 Diet and already lost 14 pounds within a month. I cannot remember the actual website just Google it.
A while ago, I found myself in the same place you currently are. I was desperate to lose weight and get into shape. That led me to discover the working of my body and the benefits of natural diets. From my discovery I formulated a Paleo Diet regimen and my life totally changed.
And now I want you to experience the same transformation by using the exact, same method to get to where I am today!
This lost me at the point which it says to each what early cavemen ate and then excluded potatoes. How do we know they didn't eat potatoes but they ate eggs?
@sweathogsparky The general consensus of anthropologists is that caveman / paleolithic man didn't dig for food, preferring to hunt or gather that which was above-ground.
There is just no evidence to suggest they ate potatoes, legumes, other root vegetables. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that there's no evidence, so most paleo-dieters tend to stick with 'above-ground' foods.
Funny thing about that linking between milk/dairy grains and those diseases is that its worse the more meat intake there is. There are a variety of theories on it, but I've studied wild animals enough to know that they aren't any healthier than domesticated ones. Anything said about us can be said about them. Sure, some problems come with our diet just as some are alleviated.
Look at the oldest people ever! If anyone can draw any correlation aside from drink wine, they are smarter than me.
'But surely we would know if our food was making us ill?'. We do... look at the people walking by you, those in the shop, look at the food they buy. The evidence is right in front of you. We are not designed to eat agrarian foodstuffs. Do it, be ill, be fat... the western way!
@s3v3rth3stars I'm referring to anyone who wants to spread the paleo diet. I think people who do the whole paleo diet thing are more likely to be giant statists than me. Seeing as how crap like this tends to be popular amongst occupiers.
@VonHOG who are you reffering to? have fun eating your processed foods and sugar water. i bet you still believe the government actually wants to protect us too.
I have type 2 diabetes and I am of the mindset that I can get rid of this disease instead of just treat it. I have opted to replace my cauliflower with a brain and I began to research the Paleo Diet. Thanks for this video, it was very well done.. I think the Soggy Bottom Boys made the video great :)
Now, I am ready to change my life for the better! Thanks :)
@mysabre73 "...I am of the mindset that I can get rid of this disease instead of just treat it..."
As a type-2 diabetic myself, who's also a medical researcher, I can tell you that as long as you have ANY pancreatic beta-cell function left, YES you can control the disease quite well.
I was dx'd with A1c of 12.1% and Fasting glucose of 267. I now have fastings under 100 and A1c in the 5% (normal) range thanks to low-carb / high-fat eating.
I personally eat about 45-60g of carbohydrate most days to keep my glucose low enough that what insulin I have left does it's job...
You can never "get rid" of the disease, unfortunately, but you CAN control it.
In addition to LCHF I eat TONS of veggies - lots of greens/salad (6-8 cups of salad daily) but I have very little fruit - berries/cherries and maybe 1/2 an apple a day.
I also do HIIT exercise 5 days a week. It helps tremendously.
@mysabre73 I should mention - I'm not *truly* paleo - I do try to eat organic everything, but I'm only about 75% paleo... But Paleo works well for diabetics.
Any low-carb/high-fat diet is best.
The biggest issue we face is refined/processed carbs/sugars. Once you eliminate those, things improve dramatically. I get 85-90% of my carbs from veggies, and about 10-15% from fruit. (I add frozen berries/cherries to my protein smoothies).
I began eating like this on the basis that it just seemed natural and just made sense...come to find out there is a whole community of people following the Paleo diet! good stuff!
Thanks for posting this video, I like the simple way of getting Paleo out there, awesome job! I've been going paleo for a while now and I love the primal feeling. My friend and I have been creating recipes and sharing them in a fun fashion. Subscribe if you agree with what you see!
@FathomlessJoy, is just a vegan nutjob, her brain is probably rotting away because of a lack of healthy fats and meat. Don't waste your time with her.
I am in the best shape since following the paleo diet and the recipes within the Paleo Cookbooks have helped me continue to cook delicious meals that are paleo friendly.
@FrozenNorthAK While I love the concept of this, your right. For example the "Missing link" I don't believe we evolved from monkeys and hence there is no link for me... When I describe this diet I say "Plants and animals only no milk no bread plants and animals only", its to hard and expensive to get dairy fresh and you sound like a dick, some people cant shop in the organic section all the time, man you can spend some money at Whole Foods and no one swallows anything!
Fathomless, regardless of your opinion, the facts are it's NOT a carcinogen in humans.
Just because something can be carcinogenic in one species does not mean it is in another. After many, many years and billions of people eating meat, it's never been proven carcinogenic in humans, regardless of your propagandist bullcrap.
The fact sheet you link to states that. The video you link to is propagandist bullcrap from a bad scientist.
great video! think there is a option on youtube to replace audio? please do. the quality is terrible. But again the video is top notch.
on the "disease" note, I changed my diet about 2 years ago using similar logical mindset as in this video, and my pollen and grass allergies have now vanished.
I am surprised at what passes for critical thinking in those interested/following a paleo diet. I would question seriously, if this diet was so good, why man ever left it. Also, I would question seriously whether you think a paleo man, who died very yound and only lived an average of 30 years, ever saw a cow or bacon.
Paleo has it about 60% right! It is just that 40% (rotting flesh and chicken periods) is disgusting and deadly :(
Wheat flour certainly. Read "Wheat Belly" for an insight, or look it up on google. Our modern wheat is NOTHING like what was eaten even 50 years ago. Not coincidentally, celiacs is increasing, as well as obesity skyrocketing...
If you can find ancient Einkhorn or Kamut wheats, that's much better.
Regarding oats: The less-refined the better. "Quick" oats are not great. "Rolled" oats are slightly better. "Steel-cut" oats are pretty good in moderation.
Folks, you can believe BrainlessJoy if you want, or you can look at all the studies that disprove the lipid hypothesis.
He's a vegan troll, taking time to troll every Paleo video he can find and post stupid links to opinions. He's never ONCE been able to produce a SCIENTIFIC STUDY to back up his claims.
Even though several of us can refute every claim of his with scientific evidence.
The science backs paleo. Meat is healthy.
Heck, I'm not even a PALEO person and I know that.
@LCHFinCanada I think you think that the more insults you hurl and the more caps lock words you employ the more scientific your meanderings appear. This is not the case. It only makes you look like a child throwing a temper tantrum to approach things this way.
Here are numerous studies on the health consequences of the Paleo diet. It doesn't look good, and you should inform yourself, not with silly propaganda like this video, but with cold hard facts.
@FathomlessJoy Interesting, not a single one of those is a study on paleo. Trolling again?
The cancer.gov link is about something that doesn't cause cancer in HUMANS, LOL.
Bacteria in meat? what about all the e.coli and salmonella in produce? it's in everything, get real. We're FULL of bacteria, millions of them, all of us.
Cholesterol is a scam being perpetuated by the 50+ billion per year statin drug industry, and the list goes on.
@LCHFinCanada "Interesting, not a single one of those is a study on paleo" We know paleo is bad for your health and heart by studying its components, which is very high intact of saturated fat and cholesterol, not to mention carcinogens and other toxins.
My question to you: is there any amount of LDL or saturated fat that you would deem unhealthy? Is there any cause for moderation? Often folks approach their beliefs in paleo as religious zealots would and that lends itself to hysterical claims.
@FathomlessJoy Actually, please show any study that proves paleo is bad for your health- those studies that have proven that by studying it's components.
Just one that definitively proves it. Oh what, you can't?
@LCHFinCanada "The cancer.gov link is about something that doesn't cause cancer in HUMANS" Actually a test of human subjects for any substance to cause cancer has never been preformed. Why? Because you would have to find humans who agree to possibly die by participating. The evidence is overwelming, and as is your denial.
@FathomlessJoy Tetsts on the HCA's and PAH's are actually being performed all the time.
It's being performed all the time by people eating those things, and it's being debunked as they aren't getting cancer that's caused by them.
They haven't been outlawed, they're still being eaten in MASSIVE quantities by the world, and yet, nothing definitively links them to cancer in humans.
@FathomlessJoy BTW the idea that HCA's and PAH's might cause cancer is much like the saccharin scare in the early 80's.
The same cancer(dot)gov folks claimed saccharin was a carcinogen in rats, therefore don't eat it, blah blah. and it took them 20 years to come out and say "whoops, we were wrong."
This is the same thing. Prove it's not, if you're so damned smart.
@LCHFinCanada "BTW the idea that HCA's and PAH's might cause cancer is much like the saccharin scare in the early 80's. " You mean the substance scientists actually developed to kill rats, for pest control? LOL Riiiight.
@LCHFinCanada "This is the same thing. Prove it's not, if you're so damned smart." Even as you have noted, they have not claimed that HCAs and PAHs cause cancer in humans. It proves to cause cancer in mice and rats. It proves to alter the DNA of human cells. Cause cancer in humans? That study is not available. No human studies can be conducted because a certain number of humans must agree to be killed for the study, and we will not generally sacrifice their lives for science.
@FathomlessJoy again I point out it's not a carcinogen in humans.
Why do you keep perpetuating a myth you have no proof of? A myth disproven by science and by billions of meat-eaters?
Billions of people cook and eat meat. Surely there'd be some evidence linking HCA's and PAH's to cancer if it was carcinogenic in humans. Yet there is NONE.
We are NOT rats. Your argument is invalid, period.
@LCHFinCanada "again I point out it's not a carcinogen in humans" You're unclear what constitutes a carcinogen, huh? You need to investigate it, as lack of proof that something causes cancer in a certain organism does not mean that the substance is not carcinogenic. Here are the FACTS about carcinogens that are formed on cooked meat: cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
More facts about animal prods and cancer: watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM
@LCHFinCanada "Bacteria in meat? what about all the e.coli and salmonella in produce" Nice try! With a little research you will find that the orignial sources of both e.coli and salmonella are always animals, specifically the digestive tracts and feces of animals, never produce. Sorry, buddy, your religion falters.
@FathomlessJoy dude you realize the paleo diet is basically saying to eat fresh organic foods that our body can handle and benefit from, right? If we're worried about those kinds of foods then anything we eat could be bad for us.
You must work in pharmaceuticals. Or your a fat guy who's trying to hinder other people from getting healthier.
@wafeman17 "the paleo diet is basically saying to eat fresh organic foods that our body can handle and benefit from" It also says eat lots of dead animals. Strange thing is that paleolithic man would have FREAKED OUT if he'd actually saw a cow. ROFL
I like a lot of what paleo is, but it is the extreme, cruel, unhealthy parts that make paleo an utter fail-eo. There's simply no way to ingest rotting diseased animal parts and expect the result to be healthy.
@wafeman17 "You must work in pharmaceuticals. Or your a fat guy who's trying to hinder other people from getting healthier." I do not even take aspirin! nor ibuprofen, zero nicotine, zero alcohol, no caffeine, no saturated fat, 0 LDL, 0 trans fact, no HFCS. A big part of this is not eating rotting animals, which are loaded with LDL and saturated fat. I have my picture up here and I am 5.11, 190 lbs with < 10% BF. I haven't had so much as a common cold in 4 years this month!
@FathomlessJoy you look okay, dude but people who actually want to LIVE and enjoy their lives should try the paleo diet. I was a semi-pro athlete and almost every nutritionist and trainer i've come across has said the paleo diet is great if you want to increase your energy, athleticism, strength and vitality. Not saying your unhealthy...but you look like a twig. get some meats in there and do a push up.
@wafeman17 Tnanks. Best shape in my life, hands down. The zero health problems is the best, including like I said not a common cold, not so much as a sniffle, in 4 years. So far as athletes, sure it's common to recommend a diet of rot and death. But look at Martina Navratilova, sister won more grand slams than any other human ever, won Wimblemdon at age 50! I'm not a young lazy drinker/drugger anymore, I don't have time to waste. I eat 100% clean not just to live, merely survive, but thrive!
@wafeman17 "but you look like a twig. get some meats in there and do a push up." LOL What an idiot! I went from "probably fat" to "you look like a twig." Just making it up as you go, huh? Meanwhile I would smoke your ass in both the weight room and on the track, and I am probably 15 years older than you. While you are laying around hung over I am out on the road or in the gym or dojo getting it done!
@wafeman17 But hell, don't take my word, find out for yourself. Check out what health pros are saying about paleo, and its disasterous effects on your long term health. Recently health pros all across the country were surveyed as to the best diets by several major categories, including heart health, diabetes control, weight loss. Paleo not only came in last on one of them, but was ranked last in ALL of them. So much for this being just my opinion, right?
In case folks are interested in the very unhealthy way of life known as Paleo diet, it is good to consider long term negative health impact. First, a version of this diet was started by Dr. Atkins, known at the "Atkins Diet," and Dr. Atkins himself developed severe, incurable heart disease while on this diet - what a waste for the hundreds of millions of dollars he made selling this diet, huh? Next I will post information from scientic and health and medical sites on how avoid unhealthy eating.
@LCHFinCanada Actually, Atkins unfortunately got the very heart disease that the overwelming majority of doctors warn us against when eating his diet. He also was obese at the time of his death. Is it any wonder his once-famed fad diet has faded away? It has been temporarity replaced by this paleo version, which ignores basic reaities like the paleo never saw a cow or pig or chicken, and only lived to 30 years old.
@FathomlessJoy wow, articles based on opinions based in bad science.
WebMD prints whatever the old-theories are. Mayo clinic is funded by drug companies. Livestrong will print anything...
You use opinions a lot, but no studies. How about you show some studies conclusively proving the lipid hypothesis. After 50+ years and hundreds of studies there must be some, right?
@LCHFinCanada Seems desperate of you to discount what every doctors tell us, but that is the nature of religion, right? You desperately cling to this idea that there is nothing unhealthy with eating meat, which is contradicted by mountains of evidence. It is sad. Nice technique of throwing in name calling tho! LOL
@LCHFinCanada Thanks for this info. .I do find in odd, however, that so many folks who are on a very unhealthy diet, wherein 1 in 2 of them WILL have a premature heart attack or stroke, are so worried about a micronutrient of others who eat an extremely healthy, clean, cruelty free diet. I would look up so information of your own on saturated fat, cholesterol and heart disease, diabetse and obesity. I will post some links for you.
Any scientific study refutes the lipid hypothesis. To say otherwise is to be in denial.
If the lipid hypothesis were correct, why do the french, who have average cholesterol rates of 250+ and have the highest saturated fat intake in the world have fewer heart attacks than Americans?
Why do 40% of all heart attack victims have normal or even LOW cholesterol? That statistic from Framingham director William Castelli.
@LCHFinCanada It seems like you are rather religious in your views. What I do not understand is all the anger. If you have found something that, as you claim, is so wonderful, why all the hate?
@LCHFinCanada So far as the French anomoly, there is a reason it is called an anomoly. We know now that the French were not measuring for heart attacked as closely as the US. We also know now that they were under reporting what their heart attack rates were. Additionally, we know that the French were eating far less saturated fat than Americans, in that they consumed far less dairy. Those French numbers have come into line with the rest of the western diet countries.
@LCHFinCanada "Why do 40% of all heart attack victims have normal or even LOW cholesterol? That statistic from Framingham director William Castelli" I am not sure where you get your 40% number, please provide a reference. Even still, you do realize that your own statistic, albeit it suspiciously high, would indicate that 60% of those with heart attack would have high LDL? WOW! That is a hell of a stat for removal of LDL from your diet ASAP.
@LCHFinCanada "Why do 40% of all heart attack victims have normal or even LOW cholesterol" Robb Wolf claims that it is 25-30% of those with heart attack or stoke (although you suspciously claim 40% with only heart attack for which I would like to see a reference still) have normal to low LDL. That means that according to Wolf's own numbers, as high as 75% of those with heart attack or stroke have high LDL. WOW! Unbelievable! That is a huge problem! But who is right here, you or Wolf?
@FathomlessJoy why did retired Vanderbilt University biochemist George Mann—who helped develop the world-famous Framingham heart disease study that raised interest in cholesterol—later described the cholesterol hypothesis as “the greatest scam ever perpetrated on the American public.” ??
And why do you still believe it and perpetuate the myth? You are either blind by your animal-rights activism or you're a shill for lipitor.
@FathomlessJoy Also, how a 10-year study on the Greek island of Crete that FAILED TO RECORD EVEN A SINGLE HEART ATTACK despite its participants having an average total cholesterol of well over 200?
You've got no science to back up your propaganda, only opinions based in old, disproven science.
Folks, the American Journal of Clinical nutrition reports 80% of vegans have B12 deficiency. The report is titled "Vegetarianism and vitamin B-12 (cobalamin) deficiency."
Dr. Neal Barnard (Vegan activist) recommends B12 supplements and gave it to all patients in his studies.
Dr. John McDougall (Vegan activist) recommends B12 for all people following his diet.
Dr. Esselstyn (Vegan activist) recommends a multivitamin for B6, Iron and B12.
The list goes on... Fathomless is too blind to see.
@LCHFinCanada BTW Alberta linked to all those already - but fathomless has spammed a retarded amount to move them back several pages (It's on page 4 as I write this). I see most of his comments are being flagged as spam, that's awesome, LOL.
So that's why I've posted it again. He's trying to remove evidence and make it look like people didn't prove anything... all he's proved to Alberta is he's a troll.
I love vegan nutjobs - this guy is obviously one. Folks, if you take the time to look at Alberta's information, you'll see this Fathomless dude is a nutter and the other guy presented real, scientific arguments.
I've talked to this moron before - he's a vegan troll. Probably works for or worships PETA. Internet-terrorist basically.
In reality, vegan nutjob got spanked - but doesn't realize it, like most nutjobs. We love psychos, they're so fun.
@FathomlessJoy If you agree your dogma has no basis in science, and it's purely emotional/ethical decision, than say so instead of arguing things you know nothing about and have been misinformed on.
I'll never tell you your wrong to believe what you do ethically. I will tell you I disagree, because obviously we have differing opinions.
However science is on my side when you try to bring it into the argument.
Again... I don't want to go back 10's of thousands of years. I am NOT paleo.
What part of that don't you get? I do not eat paleo, I do not even personally recommend pure paleo.
I recommend EVERYONE cut out refined/processed carbs/sugars, all processed foods, refined/processed oils. I recommend we get our carbohydrate only from vegetables and fruit. I also believe if obese you should watch your starchy veg and fruit intake.
I also recommend organic meat. Because it's healthy. Duh.
I'm saying that there are tons of things that this simplistic neanderthalic vid did not factor into why paleo men only lived 30 years, and not a single vid watcher Ive seen has questioned it.
First instance, can you imagine a girly little paleo jumping on the back of a cow and taking it down without modern weapons and tools? Unnatural. Wouldn't happen. If you can, prove it!
Seems like skepticism is a paleo man's friend so long as it allows him to torture others and live unhealthily.
@FathomIessJoy so when you say "...for instance ambulance (vehicles in general) produce lots of toxins that paleos did not inhale..." you're saying that ambulances today cause more harm than good? What a retarded argument.
@FathomlessJoy probably many of the same things that keep any primitive society without safety, warmth or health care from living more than 30 years. Duh.
"Faggotty" ??? Um... you realize that YouTube has pretty strict anti-hate speech rules, right?
And we KNOW that humans have hunted and eaten meat for 10's of thousands of years - not with modern tools, but with things like spears, arrows, etc. Sharpened sticks do a lot of damage...
@AlbertaBeefy Whopps, I meant "fagot" with one "g" not too. Sorry. I got a kick out of you whining like a stuck pussy threatening to tell mommy tho ;)
@FathomlessJoy Well, most vegan discussions end up in some vegan activist realizing they're wrong, having no argument, so they get all emotional and start screaming some kind of homophobic or other slur.
Glad to see you're no different than the other nutjobs.
You cannot refute what we say with anything scientific. You have no evidence backing up your claims. You don't cite any sources, just vegan propaganda, and make no sense...
@AlbertaBeefy "You cannot refute what we say with anything scientific." Well let's start with paleo man whose average life was 30 years old. How is it scientific to think nutrition did not play a large part in that short, bleak life?
What about the fact that 2 out of 3 paleo babies dies in infancy. Coincidence?
@AlbertaBeefy "You don't cite any sources, just vegan propaganda, and make no sense..." Sources? You mean more authorities? You need someone to hold your hand? to tell you it is going to be ok? Do we need someone to show us how to eat and live? Or can we, as men, see this for ourselves? After all, paleo men did not have the internet with millions of opinions, he took action, because he had to. Did you ever just take action without being told, without looking for someone else to show you the way?
@AlbertaBeefy "But hey, whatever. Enjoy living in ignorance." The ignorance of fresh, whole, wholesome fruits and vegetables? The ignorance of life and vitality, energy and wellness, cruelty free, harmonious? That kind of ignorance? Or is it because you have hate in your heart? Do you have stupid stereotypes that viel the truth from your own eyes? We have to look beyond that pettiness if we are to learn today.
@AlbertaBeefy What is new, not tens of thousands of years old is the consumption of meat, dairy and eggs as primary energy sources. since 1909, when the statistics were first gather, eating meat, dairy and eggs has skyrocketed. In this same time the consumption of whole grain, fruits and vegetables has plummuted. Coincidence? Think a little today.
@AlbertaBeefy "Where DO you get your statistics? Vegan propaganda sites?" What stats? Want to quote stats till we are bored and blue the face? How common, how dull, right? Want to learn something today? Want to learn something about a decent, healthy, compassionate way to live and treat others?
@AlbertaBeefy "REAL stats show grains has risen and meat/saturated fat intake has dropped as the obesity rates climb." You are looking short term. Sure grains have rise in the past 50 years, but they are down the past 100 years. The USDA keeps all the stats on this you want. The rise is in refined grains, not in whole grains, and we are still not near 1909 numbers. Check it out!
@AlbertaBeefy "You prove NOTHING yet. Please use some science or state your source of facts" What do you want me to prove? What would be proof to you? How do you prove to someone else that torturing innocent animals is indecent human behavior? How do you prove to another they have been lied to, that they minds are corrupt with common lies? Do we not each have to see this for ourselves? and is it not required that we put aside our beliefs and observe, not argue or quote stats?
@AlbertaBeefy No other animal eater has to use tools and fire to consume flesh. Have you ever seen a man, any man, catch and kill a mammal for food with his bare hands? Have you done it yourself? I would LOVE to see a vid of that! LOL
Have you ever eaten a mammal in its whole, natural state without tools or fire? Chew and tear through the fur and eat the raw rotting flesh, teeth, bones, ass, gut, etc?? What did man do before tools and fire? Hmmmm.....
@AlbertaBeefy "So we should devolve to become a more stupid animal in order to eat meat?" You tell me, you are the one wanting to go back tens of thousands of years. Why? Because someone told you it was cool, it is "new." LOL New except tens of thousands of years old, right?
@FathomlessJoy I'd like you to post something that refutes anything I say using SCIENCE and cite your sources. I've done it for you multiple times in multiple threads. You, however, refuse to do so, only citing weird arguments with no basis in fact.
If you can't do that, then you're a troll, and GTFO maybe.
@FathomlessJoy Your quote "Have you ever eaten a mammal in its whole, natural state without tools or fire? Chew and tear through the fur and eat the raw rotting flesh, teeth, bones, ass, gut, etc?? What did man do before tools and fire? Hmmmm....."
shows how retarded your thinking is. We are not carnivores. We're omnivores. We've had fire and tools for literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Science prove that.
Why are your arguments so stupid? Is it your diet, perhaps?
@AlbertaBeefy I am also saying that going to the hospital and taking perscription drugs is the 4 leading cause of death in the nation. So, critical thinking would serve you well, unless you just like to look at little popup book pictures are presented in this vid and play with your pinwheel hat ;)
@FathomlessJoy "going to the hospital AND taking prescription drugs is the 4 leading cause of death in the nation"
What does that mean? You cite TWO things, how can two different things be 4 leading causes of death? Or are those TWO things the 4th leading cause of death?
Like I said, you make no sense. Also, if you care to explain your moronic argument, back it up with some sources please.
@AlbertaBeefy "What does that mean? You cite TWO things, how can two different things be 4 leading causes of death? " Those two things together are the 4th leading cause of death. A little numbers trick to wake you up, see if you can consider something different, look at life in a different, new way. Question this video, don't just accept things as they are. Perscription drugs are killng man, not saving him. Doctors treat symptoms, they know little of actual healing. It is a fact.
I do believe that once paleo has been around a little longer, and people understand it, it'll get much better reviews. One "bad review" from a poorly-written article by people that are living in the past is hardly conclusive...
@AlbertaBeefy It has been around in one form or another for 20 years. It is a modification of SAD, a little gimmick version of Atkins.Trouble is, Atkins got heart disease on it and probably died of multiple heart attacks.
If you want to get medical and nutrional professionals' take on paleo, look up a recent study that stack ranked 20 diets according to heart health, weight control, diabetes management, etc. Paleo came in dead last, pun intended, in every category.
There is no truth to the fact Atkins diet contributed to his heart attack. His own doctor states it's not so, and the standard medical opinion (outside of vegan activists) is that his cardiomyopathy (a chronic condition) was caused by a viral illness.
Atkins had cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle itself. He did not die from eating a high-fat diet.
Your dogma is showing... You don't even research, do you?
@AlbertaBeefy Feel free to approach me like a man, you will be treated as a man. I wouldn't touch milk and cookies with a pink dancing paleo man's stick.
What about your education tells you any of the downsides of paleo? Or it is all perfect, all upside, "DORK On "for life?
@FathomlessJoy again, I'm not paleo. You keep making assumptions.
I eat a healthy balanced diet. I do eat organic meat, yes. I do eat tons of vegetables and fruit. I eat nuts, legumes, beans, lentils. I eat non-paleo items like peanut butter (natural) and many other non-paleo items. I also eat some dairy - cheese and cream. I do not drink milk.
It's been proven meat is party of a healthy life. You cannot disprove this. If you can, please do.
Anyone who's read the US News and World report look into diets knows it's crap.
Almost every "expert" they polled was either a registered dietician (who give bad advice based on what the agricultural industry wants, especially being grain-pushers) or an MD who have no nutritional training.
No nutritionist or dietician governing body has yet adopted the new science. They also cited that the needed nutrients were there, but said things like "it's not easy having no milk and cookies" ...
@AlbertaBeefy Actually they just conducted a nationwide survery of cardiologists (heart doctors), nutritionists and dieticians that stack ranked 20 diets. Paleo came in dead last in every category, with it's step brother Atkins largely just above it.
1. They did state paleo had all necessary nutrients.
2. There concern was a lack of long-term studies, which admittedly there's not much of.
However, they show their bias by ranking veganism higher, although everyone knows vegans do not get enough B12 - they said they should eat "fortified breakfast cereal" wow... suggesting refined/processed foods to a vegan? Yeah, that article made sense.
@AlbertaBeefy "1. They did state paleo had all necessary nutrients." Yeah, to have a 2/3 infant mortality rate and an average lifespan of 30 years. I want to live to 150, not 30, bro. Sorry.
@AlbertaBeefy "2. There concern was a lack of long-term studies, which admittedly there's not much of." Agreed. But I just do not need studies, some authorities with agendas and biases to tell me how to do something as basic as eating. I looked it for myself. I fasted, I did a cleanse, I exercised, and I detoxed and it all came together, it hit me, in a stroke of health and compassion: I do not have to rape and torture animals to thrive, to live healthy and get 100% of my nutrition from my food.
@AlbertaBeefy It seems like you are angry and hateful. Is that true: Are you mad becaus of all the lies? Every health guru has a new fad to sell? All men trying to profit off of man's insecurity, not knowing how to treat his own body, not knowing how to treat others, incluiding animals. Is that this source of meaness?
@FathomlessJoy blah blah blah. Keep blathering on with your ridiculous ideas. I hope others will find you more entertaining. Me, I just find you brainwashed.
And all of medical science knows the truth. Big pharma and big agra sure have a vested-interest in controlling what medical school students learn though, don't they?
And I wish you a good life also. Enjoy your higher rates of colorectal cancer and your B12 deficiency. did you ever refute that, btw?
@AlbertaBeefy "Me, I just find you brainwashed" Perhaps. Brainwashed to do what everyone else does? Hmmm. well not really. Brainwashed by a billion dollar propaganda machine selling the same old shit and calling it sugar on every street corner and boob tube? Hardly. Seems like someone else you know may have a bit of the old brainwash going on up in there! ;)
@AlbertaBeefy "I don't need to rape or torture animals either, and I don't." This is awesome! So long as we live true to ourselves, what else is there? I would not, however, have you pegged as a vegan, as you seem so hateful toward vegans. But I wish you well on a life of whole, healthy plant foods!
@AlbertaBeefy "Again, you're getting overly-emotional here mr. Animal-Rights activist. That's all you are, why not go away, troll?" Because I like it here. I like to share a new way of life to those caught in blindness. But you have said that you do not rape and torture animals for food anymore, so there really isn't anything we need to discuss, as we both eat relatively healthy without saturated fat, LDL and the disease and rot of animal products.
@AlbertaBeefy "although everyone knows vegans do not get enough B12 -" You have no proof of that whatsoever. I know it is a line you hear and like to repeat, but there is no proof, right?
ncbi.nlm.nih*gov/pubmed/12816765 shows 80% of vegans have a B12 deficiency.
Dr. Mcdougall, PCRM animal activist and author states you MUST take B12 supplements. Search "mcdougall b12" to find it. It's in ALL his books and dvd's.
Dr. Neal Barnard, PCRM activist, Peta member gave B12 supplementation to all his vegan study patients.
Dr. Esselstyn recommends ...a multivitamin to insure adequate amounts of B6, folic acid & B12.
@AlbertaBeefy Those souces didn't prove anything at all. For instance you should know that B12 deficiency is mostly seen in meat eaters. Did you know that? Also, most deficiencies are related to general malnutrition, where lack of protein is the leading factor. Those facts don't fit wiht your religion tho, do they?
@AlbertaBeefy Even by your own phantom studies that is WAY more, tens of millions more in meat eaters, right? Do your dark secret studies say what the number one cause of it is? If so you will be relieved to find out it is not lack of B12 but in fact a genetic problem in intrinsic factor.
@AlbertaBeefy " can't believe you stupid you are to believe the vegan dogma" It has been a while since I have discussed anything with someone so religious and angry. Perhaps it is those anger problems that are causing you to look at a new, healthy way of life?
@AlbertaBeefy "This is my last reply to you. You're not worth anyone's time. You're a fool." Aw, shucky darns! You stopped this shy of showing proof of anything ;) Peace.
@AlbertaBeefy "There are more meat-eaters [with B12 deficiency]" So here you are, yelling and flapping your wings about vegans and B12 and you finally admit that is it meat eaters, tons more of them, who actually are B12 deficient. Well thank you! I actually respect that you admit it, just wish it hadn't been such an ordeal. Peace.
Did you read what he said, Fathomless? He proved to you by linking to studies showing there's a greater percentage of veg people with B12 deficiencies... are you too blind to see?
Like most propagandists you twist what others say, exclude some pertinent information to mislead people. You learned from T. Colin Campbell, I see.
@AlbertaBeefy "You're reciting things I see on their websites almost word-for-word." Can you give me a for instance? I don't go to any vegan sites so I am curious is this is another blind accusaiton or are there things you think I have plagarized or something. Let me know.
@AlbertaBeefy "they said they should eat "fortified breakfast cereal" they say it is one option, one I happen to disagree with. I do not agree with a lot of things in that survey. One thing that came up clear tho is the health professions all over the US think that paleo is fail-eo.
Its kinda confusing because if you are what you eat then why would having a cauliflower for a brain be a bad thing?
GotZest 3 days ago
Big pharma < street drugs
GotZest 3 days ago
im 6 feet four inches tall. my digestive tract is 3 times my height. compare that to a sheep with a digestive tract of 80 feet. sheep ferment food stuffs. humans do not ferment food. we were never meant to eat grass seeds or cooked food. i will cook my meat only because raw meat isnt fresh enough. its not always going to be not fresh though so who know. i might eat a vegan. LOL relax vegans, i wont eat you.
datzfast 3 days ago
I have not missed the point, this video has surpassed the point. I 100% agree with eating healthy, I myself am a very healthy person, however this video has taken it to a level of ignorance.If the aim of the video is to educate then the first couple of mins would be suffice. Saying pharma companies are all about the money, of couse they are, thats business but at the end of the day they save lifes, as do doctors..its not there jobs to educate you on food we have the magic of the internet,use it.
shaned1000 4 days ago
@shaned1000 Thank you for opening my eyes. I am sure the armies of commenters who praised this video will also be finding the scales dropping from their eyes by the tens of thousands. How naive of us to think that doctors have some kind of responsibility to educate about diet and that there is some kind of connection between what we eat and health. What an absurdly tenuous connection to make between the motives of drug companies and misinformation about the most effective way to manage health.
alexleejohnson1000 4 days ago
This video has irritated me. Obviously it would be impossible for us to go back to the cave man days and eat everything organic, firstly have you heard of supply and demand, yes it takes time to do things organicly thus it would be impossible to do everything organic and not have people dying of hunger, also time and high demand because of low supply would mean only the rich could afford food and the economy would eventually fall.
shaned1000 4 days ago
@shaned1000 You have missed the point. This is not a call for a change to how our food system works and makes no claims as the viability of this way of eating for the whole world. It is a call to the individual to eat what's best for them. You could judge that to be short sighted and selfish - but each person has to make the decision whether to eat like that and be healthier, or to eat in the way that's most sustainable and later enjoy their moral superiority from the comfort of a hospital bed.
alexleejohnson1000 4 days ago
@alex lee johnson 1000 actually the SAD diet is converting petroleum calories to nutritional calories making grains highly unsustainable.contracted to a paleo diet that manually can harvest and eat without cooking from a garden. i read where man could not eat grains in the past because you burn more calories in planting , harvest, grinding, gathering firewood , and cooking, than a person can get back from the whole grains they eat. agriculture could only coexist with animal or human slavery.
datzfast 3 days ago
Wonderful video! btw my friend followed this famous diet program known as: Impact 790 Diet and already lost 14 pounds within a month. I cannot remember the actual website just Google it.
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ucla0007 1 week ago
This lost me at the point which it says to each what early cavemen ate and then excluded potatoes. How do we know they didn't eat potatoes but they ate eggs?
sweathogsparky 1 week ago
@sweathogsparky The general consensus of anthropologists is that caveman / paleolithic man didn't dig for food, preferring to hunt or gather that which was above-ground.
There is just no evidence to suggest they ate potatoes, legumes, other root vegetables. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that there's no evidence, so most paleo-dieters tend to stick with 'above-ground' foods.
LCHFinCanada 6 days ago
Funny thing about that linking between milk/dairy grains and those diseases is that its worse the more meat intake there is. There are a variety of theories on it, but I've studied wild animals enough to know that they aren't any healthier than domesticated ones. Anything said about us can be said about them. Sure, some problems come with our diet just as some are alleviated.
Look at the oldest people ever! If anyone can draw any correlation aside from drink wine, they are smarter than me.
Keeban3 2 weeks ago
This makes so much sense!
BioLuminescentOne 2 weeks ago
'But surely we would know if our food was making us ill?'. We do... look at the people walking by you, those in the shop, look at the food they buy. The evidence is right in front of you. We are not designed to eat agrarian foodstuffs. Do it, be ill, be fat... the western way!
Shiplodicus 2 weeks ago
@s3v3rth3stars I'm referring to anyone who wants to spread the paleo diet. I think people who do the whole paleo diet thing are more likely to be giant statists than me. Seeing as how crap like this tends to be popular amongst occupiers.
VonHOG 2 weeks ago
I am going to eat mcdonalds and drink 64 ounces of soda just to piss you off.
VonHOG 3 weeks ago
@VonHOG who are you reffering to? have fun eating your processed foods and sugar water. i bet you still believe the government actually wants to protect us too.
s3v3rth3stars 2 weeks ago
@VonHOG Do it if it makes you good, but you won't piss me off :-)))
valgez1 2 weeks ago
@VonHOG : Piss who off? I couldn't give a rat's ass what you eat or drink. lol
auggiedoggy 1 week ago
I had to pause the video to thank you for choosing this song. So thank you for choosing this song. Now back to why my diet sucks...
NathanRxd 3 weeks ago
I have type 2 diabetes and I am of the mindset that I can get rid of this disease instead of just treat it. I have opted to replace my cauliflower with a brain and I began to research the Paleo Diet. Thanks for this video, it was very well done.. I think the Soggy Bottom Boys made the video great :)
Now, I am ready to change my life for the better! Thanks :)
mysabre73 3 weeks ago
@mysabre73 "...I am of the mindset that I can get rid of this disease instead of just treat it..."
As a type-2 diabetic myself, who's also a medical researcher, I can tell you that as long as you have ANY pancreatic beta-cell function left, YES you can control the disease quite well.
I was dx'd with A1c of 12.1% and Fasting glucose of 267. I now have fastings under 100 and A1c in the 5% (normal) range thanks to low-carb / high-fat eating.
It CAN be done... (cont..)
LCHFinCanada 3 weeks ago
@mysabre73 (continued...)
I personally eat about 45-60g of carbohydrate most days to keep my glucose low enough that what insulin I have left does it's job...
You can never "get rid" of the disease, unfortunately, but you CAN control it.
In addition to LCHF I eat TONS of veggies - lots of greens/salad (6-8 cups of salad daily) but I have very little fruit - berries/cherries and maybe 1/2 an apple a day.
I also do HIIT exercise 5 days a week. It helps tremendously.
Good Luck!
LCHFinCanada 3 weeks ago
@mysabre73 I should mention - I'm not *truly* paleo - I do try to eat organic everything, but I'm only about 75% paleo... But Paleo works well for diabetics.
Any low-carb/high-fat diet is best.
The biggest issue we face is refined/processed carbs/sugars. Once you eliminate those, things improve dramatically. I get 85-90% of my carbs from veggies, and about 10-15% from fruit. (I add frozen berries/cherries to my protein smoothies).
Very rarely I'll eat sprouted-grain bread.
LCHFinCanada 3 weeks ago
I began eating like this on the basis that it just seemed natural and just made sense...come to find out there is a whole community of people following the Paleo diet! good stuff!
gomarcphil 3 weeks ago
Thanks for posting this video, I like the simple way of getting Paleo out there, awesome job! I've been going paleo for a while now and I love the primal feeling. My friend and I have been creating recipes and sharing them in a fun fashion. Subscribe if you agree with what you see!
Superhumanmovement 4 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy, is just a vegan nutjob, her brain is probably rotting away because of a lack of healthy fats and meat. Don't waste your time with her.
TheInfiniteness 4 weeks ago
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sdsdsadsds 1 month ago
Paleo Diet woks!
I am in the best shape since following the paleo diet and the recipes within the Paleo Cookbooks have helped me continue to cook delicious meals that are paleo friendly.
I can share it -
sdsdsadsds 1 month ago
Great video!
mrsarun 1 month ago
I think I might have to switch from the slow carb diet to this diet...
awfulpwn 1 month ago
i has plan!
Step 1: Buy some land and fence it off
Step 2: Buy some animals
Step 3: release animals and make sure there aren't any predators
Step 4: wait for a few years
Step 4: profit!
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Anyone know where I can find good paleo recipes or can recommend a good paleo recipe book? Thanks.
workh4rd 1 month ago
What's this coming from monkeys bullshit?? NOT everyone is stupid enough to think we came from monkeys. This just ruins your whole message.
FrozenNorthAK 1 month ago
@FrozenNorthAK While I love the concept of this, your right. For example the "Missing link" I don't believe we evolved from monkeys and hence there is no link for me... When I describe this diet I say "Plants and animals only no milk no bread plants and animals only", its to hard and expensive to get dairy fresh and you sound like a dick, some people cant shop in the organic section all the time, man you can spend some money at Whole Foods and no one swallows anything!
will3482 1 month ago
Fathomless, regardless of your opinion, the facts are it's NOT a carcinogen in humans.
Just because something can be carcinogenic in one species does not mean it is in another. After many, many years and billions of people eating meat, it's never been proven carcinogenic in humans, regardless of your propagandist bullcrap.
The fact sheet you link to states that. The video you link to is propagandist bullcrap from a bad scientist.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago 2
great video! think there is a option on youtube to replace audio? please do. the quality is terrible. But again the video is top notch.
on the "disease" note, I changed my diet about 2 years ago using similar logical mindset as in this video, and my pollen and grass allergies have now vanished.
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I am surprised at what passes for critical thinking in those interested/following a paleo diet. I would question seriously, if this diet was so good, why man ever left it. Also, I would question seriously whether you think a paleo man, who died very yound and only lived an average of 30 years, ever saw a cow or bacon.
Paleo has it about 60% right! It is just that 40% (rotting flesh and chicken periods) is disgusting and deadly :(
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
I like that
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Paige86437 1 month ago
alsome vid man
hristojk1 1 month ago
Wheat flour certainly. Read "Wheat Belly" for an insight, or look it up on google. Our modern wheat is NOTHING like what was eaten even 50 years ago. Not coincidentally, celiacs is increasing, as well as obesity skyrocketing...
If you can find ancient Einkhorn or Kamut wheats, that's much better.
Regarding oats: The less-refined the better. "Quick" oats are not great. "Rolled" oats are slightly better. "Steel-cut" oats are pretty good in moderation.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
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Freegpplz 1 month ago
so whole grains like wheat flour and oats are bad for us?
TRUEFREAKLEzz 1 month ago
Where to you get the idea Saccharin was created as a rat-poison?
You really are a nutjob now.
The history of saccharin is easily traced. It was first produced in the 1870's, and always mentioned by it's discoverer as a sweetener.
You're a nutter.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
Folks, you can believe BrainlessJoy if you want, or you can look at all the studies that disprove the lipid hypothesis.
He's a vegan troll, taking time to troll every Paleo video he can find and post stupid links to opinions. He's never ONCE been able to produce a SCIENTIFIC STUDY to back up his claims.
Even though several of us can refute every claim of his with scientific evidence.
The science backs paleo. Meat is healthy.
Heck, I'm not even a PALEO person and I know that.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada I think you think that the more insults you hurl and the more caps lock words you employ the more scientific your meanderings appear. This is not the case. It only makes you look like a child throwing a temper tantrum to approach things this way.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Nope, just capitalizing for effect.
It has no effect on the brainwashed like yourself though, it would appear.
Why can't you admit you're simply wrong on every argument you present? You've been proven wrong in every thread you go to, and yet you persist.
Why persist where you're obviously unwelcome?
And why persist when you're obviously disproven? Are you mentally deficient? Is that the issue?
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
Here are numerous studies on the health consequences of the Paleo diet. It doesn't look good, and you should inform yourself, not with silly propaganda like this video, but with cold hard facts.
watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM
cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/04/15/bacteria.in.half.US.meat
health.nih.gov/topic/Cholesterol
nhlbi.nih.gov/health/public/heart/other/chdblack
nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/hbc
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Interesting, not a single one of those is a study on paleo. Trolling again?
The cancer.gov link is about something that doesn't cause cancer in HUMANS, LOL.
Bacteria in meat? what about all the e.coli and salmonella in produce? it's in everything, get real. We're FULL of bacteria, millions of them, all of us.
Cholesterol is a scam being perpetuated by the 50+ billion per year statin drug industry, and the list goes on.
You're trolling again, and unsuccessfully.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "Interesting, not a single one of those is a study on paleo" We know paleo is bad for your health and heart by studying its components, which is very high intact of saturated fat and cholesterol, not to mention carcinogens and other toxins.
My question to you: is there any amount of LDL or saturated fat that you would deem unhealthy? Is there any cause for moderation? Often folks approach their beliefs in paleo as religious zealots would and that lends itself to hysterical claims.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Actually, please show any study that proves paleo is bad for your health- those studies that have proven that by studying it's components.
Just one that definitively proves it. Oh what, you can't?
Show us ONE study, go ahead. Here's your chance.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy of course there's cause for moderation. All studies showing meat as healthy have been "in moderation".
Anyone foolish enough to eat nothing but meat in a world where they have access to meat, fish, vegetables, fruit, etc. is an idiot.
The same goes for somebody stupid enough to eat nothing but plant-based diets in a world that has meat. Idiot.
The truth is meat has nutrients ESSENTIAL for the human body. Period. We're made to eat and digest it, period.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "The cancer.gov link is about something that doesn't cause cancer in HUMANS" Actually a test of human subjects for any substance to cause cancer has never been preformed. Why? Because you would have to find humans who agree to possibly die by participating. The evidence is overwelming, and as is your denial.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Tetsts on the HCA's and PAH's are actually being performed all the time.
It's being performed all the time by people eating those things, and it's being debunked as they aren't getting cancer that's caused by them.
They haven't been outlawed, they're still being eaten in MASSIVE quantities by the world, and yet, nothing definitively links them to cancer in humans.
As such, they're NOT carcinogens in humans.
Nice try though, troll.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy BTW the idea that HCA's and PAH's might cause cancer is much like the saccharin scare in the early 80's.
The same cancer(dot)gov folks claimed saccharin was a carcinogen in rats, therefore don't eat it, blah blah. and it took them 20 years to come out and say "whoops, we were wrong."
This is the same thing. Prove it's not, if you're so damned smart.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "BTW the idea that HCA's and PAH's might cause cancer is much like the saccharin scare in the early 80's. " You mean the substance scientists actually developed to kill rats, for pest control? LOL Riiiight.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "This is the same thing. Prove it's not, if you're so damned smart." Even as you have noted, they have not claimed that HCAs and PAHs cause cancer in humans. It proves to cause cancer in mice and rats. It proves to alter the DNA of human cells. Cause cancer in humans? That study is not available. No human studies can be conducted because a certain number of humans must agree to be killed for the study, and we will not generally sacrifice their lives for science.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy again I point out it's not a carcinogen in humans.
Why do you keep perpetuating a myth you have no proof of? A myth disproven by science and by billions of meat-eaters?
Billions of people cook and eat meat. Surely there'd be some evidence linking HCA's and PAH's to cancer if it was carcinogenic in humans. Yet there is NONE.
We are NOT rats. Your argument is invalid, period.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
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@LCHFinCanada "again I point out it's not a carcinogen in humans" You're unclear what constitutes a carcinogen, huh? You need to investigate it, as lack of proof that something causes cancer in a certain organism does not mean that the substance is not carcinogenic. Here are the FACTS about carcinogens that are formed on cooked meat: cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
More facts about animal prods and cancer: watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM
Let me know if you're interesting in more info
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "Bacteria in meat? what about all the e.coli and salmonella in produce" Nice try! With a little research you will find that the orignial sources of both e.coli and salmonella are always animals, specifically the digestive tracts and feces of animals, never produce. Sorry, buddy, your religion falters.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Regardless of where it comes from, vegetables are a higher source of contamination in people than meat!
Derp.
I suppose your solution is to kill all the animals so there's no more eColi? If not, then shut up and get an argument that makes sense.
Oh wait, you HAVE NO ARGUMENTS THAT MAKE SENSE. Except to the stupid.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy dude you realize the paleo diet is basically saying to eat fresh organic foods that our body can handle and benefit from, right? If we're worried about those kinds of foods then anything we eat could be bad for us.
You must work in pharmaceuticals. Or your a fat guy who's trying to hinder other people from getting healthier.
wafeman17 1 month ago
@wafeman17 "the paleo diet is basically saying to eat fresh organic foods that our body can handle and benefit from" It also says eat lots of dead animals. Strange thing is that paleolithic man would have FREAKED OUT if he'd actually saw a cow. ROFL
I like a lot of what paleo is, but it is the extreme, cruel, unhealthy parts that make paleo an utter fail-eo. There's simply no way to ingest rotting diseased animal parts and expect the result to be healthy.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@wafeman17 "You must work in pharmaceuticals. Or your a fat guy who's trying to hinder other people from getting healthier." I do not even take aspirin! nor ibuprofen, zero nicotine, zero alcohol, no caffeine, no saturated fat, 0 LDL, 0 trans fact, no HFCS. A big part of this is not eating rotting animals, which are loaded with LDL and saturated fat. I have my picture up here and I am 5.11, 190 lbs with < 10% BF. I haven't had so much as a common cold in 4 years this month!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy you look okay, dude but people who actually want to LIVE and enjoy their lives should try the paleo diet. I was a semi-pro athlete and almost every nutritionist and trainer i've come across has said the paleo diet is great if you want to increase your energy, athleticism, strength and vitality. Not saying your unhealthy...but you look like a twig. get some meats in there and do a push up.
wafeman17 1 month ago
@wafeman17 Tnanks. Best shape in my life, hands down. The zero health problems is the best, including like I said not a common cold, not so much as a sniffle, in 4 years. So far as athletes, sure it's common to recommend a diet of rot and death. But look at Martina Navratilova, sister won more grand slams than any other human ever, won Wimblemdon at age 50! I'm not a young lazy drinker/drugger anymore, I don't have time to waste. I eat 100% clean not just to live, merely survive, but thrive!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@wafeman17 "but you look like a twig. get some meats in there and do a push up." LOL What an idiot! I went from "probably fat" to "you look like a twig." Just making it up as you go, huh? Meanwhile I would smoke your ass in both the weight room and on the track, and I am probably 15 years older than you. While you are laying around hung over I am out on the road or in the gym or dojo getting it done!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@wafeman17 But hell, don't take my word, find out for yourself. Check out what health pros are saying about paleo, and its disasterous effects on your long term health. Recently health pros all across the country were surveyed as to the best diets by several major categories, including heart health, diabetes control, weight loss. Paleo not only came in last on one of them, but was ranked last in ALL of them. So much for this being just my opinion, right?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
In case folks are interested in the very unhealthy way of life known as Paleo diet, it is good to consider long term negative health impact. First, a version of this diet was started by Dr. Atkins, known at the "Atkins Diet," and Dr. Atkins himself developed severe, incurable heart disease while on this diet - what a waste for the hundreds of millions of dollars he made selling this diet, huh? Next I will post information from scientic and health and medical sites on how avoid unhealthy eating.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy actually, the TRUTH (which vegan propagandists won't tell you) is Atkins suffered cardiomyopathy from a virus.
Thanks for playing. In fact, doctors refuted the diet idea after his death.
Trolling...
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Actually, Atkins unfortunately got the very heart disease that the overwelming majority of doctors warn us against when eating his diet. He also was obese at the time of his death. Is it any wonder his once-famed fad diet has faded away? It has been temporarity replaced by this paleo version, which ignores basic reaities like the paleo never saw a cow or pig or chicken, and only lived to 30 years old.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Atkins himself can out publicly and stated that he developed heart disease while on his own diet :(
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy "while on" not "because of".
Again, the cause was a viral infection. You discount all the doctors that said that?
Just keep spreading your misinformation, troll. People can see the real truth... Your a propagandist. An animal-rights activist that lies.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
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@LCHFinCanada "In fact, doctors refuted the diet idea after his death" Where are those studies?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
Here are the straight medical and biological facts and ways to eliminate LDL cholesterol:
webmd*com/cholesterol-management/eating-meat-when-you-have-high-cholesterol
mayoclinic*com/health/cholesterol/CL00002
livestrong*com/article/286011-ways-to-reduce-ldl
mayoclinic*com/health/reduce-cholesterol/CL00012livestrong*com/article/429370-proof-that-lowering-cholesterol-avoids-heart-attacks
webmd*com/heart-disease/guide/heart-disease-lower-cholesterol-risk
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy wow, articles based on opinions based in bad science.
WebMD prints whatever the old-theories are. Mayo clinic is funded by drug companies. Livestrong will print anything...
You use opinions a lot, but no studies. How about you show some studies conclusively proving the lipid hypothesis. After 50+ years and hundreds of studies there must be some, right?
Derp.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Seems desperate of you to discount what every doctors tell us, but that is the nature of religion, right? You desperately cling to this idea that there is nothing unhealthy with eating meat, which is contradicted by mountains of evidence. It is sad. Nice technique of throwing in name calling tho! LOL
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Actually, I've seen people list you dozens of doctors that agree with me... do you discount all those doctors?
You discount what suits you. I only discount things that have been scientifically disproven.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
Also, people concerned about their B12 (regardless what diet they follow) can get good information on it at this video: watch?v=fxMqsYA9QRY
She's even vegan, for those that care.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Thanks for this info. .I do find in odd, however, that so many folks who are on a very unhealthy diet, wherein 1 in 2 of them WILL have a premature heart attack or stroke, are so worried about a micronutrient of others who eat an extremely healthy, clean, cruelty free diet. I would look up so information of your own on saturated fat, cholesterol and heart disease, diabetse and obesity. I will post some links for you.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy your links are garbage opinions.
Any scientific study refutes the lipid hypothesis. To say otherwise is to be in denial.
If the lipid hypothesis were correct, why do the french, who have average cholesterol rates of 250+ and have the highest saturated fat intake in the world have fewer heart attacks than Americans?
Why do 40% of all heart attack victims have normal or even LOW cholesterol? That statistic from Framingham director William Castelli.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada It seems like you are rather religious in your views. What I do not understand is all the anger. If you have found something that, as you claim, is so wonderful, why all the hate?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada LDL is not the only factor in heart disease, but rather an important one of many factors.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada So far as the French anomoly, there is a reason it is called an anomoly. We know now that the French were not measuring for heart attacked as closely as the US. We also know now that they were under reporting what their heart attack rates were. Additionally, we know that the French were eating far less saturated fat than Americans, in that they consumed far less dairy. Those French numbers have come into line with the rest of the western diet countries.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "Why do 40% of all heart attack victims have normal or even LOW cholesterol? That statistic from Framingham director William Castelli" I am not sure where you get your 40% number, please provide a reference. Even still, you do realize that your own statistic, albeit it suspiciously high, would indicate that 60% of those with heart attack would have high LDL? WOW! That is a hell of a stat for removal of LDL from your diet ASAP.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "Why do 40% of all heart attack victims have normal or even LOW cholesterol" Robb Wolf claims that it is 25-30% of those with heart attack or stoke (although you suspciously claim 40% with only heart attack for which I would like to see a reference still) have normal to low LDL. That means that according to Wolf's own numbers, as high as 75% of those with heart attack or stroke have high LDL. WOW! Unbelievable! That is a huge problem! But who is right here, you or Wolf?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy why did retired Vanderbilt University biochemist George Mann—who helped develop the world-famous Framingham heart disease study that raised interest in cholesterol—later described the cholesterol hypothesis as “the greatest scam ever perpetrated on the American public.” ??
And why do you still believe it and perpetuate the myth? You are either blind by your animal-rights activism or you're a shill for lipitor.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Also, how a 10-year study on the Greek island of Crete that FAILED TO RECORD EVEN A SINGLE HEART ATTACK despite its participants having an average total cholesterol of well over 200?
You've got no science to back up your propaganda, only opinions based in old, disproven science.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
Folks, the American Journal of Clinical nutrition reports 80% of vegans have B12 deficiency. The report is titled "Vegetarianism and vitamin B-12 (cobalamin) deficiency."
Dr. Neal Barnard (Vegan activist) recommends B12 supplements and gave it to all patients in his studies.
Dr. John McDougall (Vegan activist) recommends B12 for all people following his diet.
Dr. Esselstyn (Vegan activist) recommends a multivitamin for B6, Iron and B12.
The list goes on... Fathomless is too blind to see.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada BTW Alberta linked to all those already - but fathomless has spammed a retarded amount to move them back several pages (It's on page 4 as I write this). I see most of his comments are being flagged as spam, that's awesome, LOL.
So that's why I've posted it again. He's trying to remove evidence and make it look like people didn't prove anything... all he's proved to Alberta is he's a troll.
Go back under your bridge, troll! =)
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
I love vegan nutjobs - this guy is obviously one. Folks, if you take the time to look at Alberta's information, you'll see this Fathomless dude is a nutter and the other guy presented real, scientific arguments.
I've talked to this moron before - he's a vegan troll. Probably works for or worships PETA. Internet-terrorist basically.
In reality, vegan nutjob got spanked - but doesn't realize it, like most nutjobs. We love psychos, they're so fun.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy If you agree your dogma has no basis in science, and it's purely emotional/ethical decision, than say so instead of arguing things you know nothing about and have been misinformed on.
I'll never tell you your wrong to believe what you do ethically. I will tell you I disagree, because obviously we have differing opinions.
However science is on my side when you try to bring it into the argument.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
Again... I don't want to go back 10's of thousands of years. I am NOT paleo.
What part of that don't you get? I do not eat paleo, I do not even personally recommend pure paleo.
I recommend EVERYONE cut out refined/processed carbs/sugars, all processed foods, refined/processed oils. I recommend we get our carbohydrate only from vegetables and fruit. I also believe if obese you should watch your starchy veg and fruit intake.
I also recommend organic meat. Because it's healthy. Duh.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
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I'm saying that there are tons of things that this simplistic neanderthalic vid did not factor into why paleo men only lived 30 years, and not a single vid watcher Ive seen has questioned it.
First instance, can you imagine a girly little paleo jumping on the back of a cow and taking it down without modern weapons and tools? Unnatural. Wouldn't happen. If you can, prove it!
Seems like skepticism is a paleo man's friend so long as it allows him to torture others and live unhealthily.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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Freegpplz 1 month ago
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Obisco91 1 month ago
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Freegpplz 1 month ago
Studies have shown no nutrient advantage of organic foods vs. non organic.
DJKJSeph 1 month ago
@FathomIessJoy so when you say "...for instance ambulance (vehicles in general) produce lots of toxins that paleos did not inhale..." you're saying that ambulances today cause more harm than good? What a retarded argument.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
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FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy probably many of the same things that keep any primitive society without safety, warmth or health care from living more than 30 years. Duh.
"Faggotty" ??? Um... you realize that YouTube has pretty strict anti-hate speech rules, right?
And we KNOW that humans have hunted and eaten meat for 10's of thousands of years - not with modern tools, but with things like spears, arrows, etc. Sharpened sticks do a lot of damage...
Seems like the skepticism is on your end.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy Whopps, I meant "fagot" with one "g" not too. Sorry. I got a kick out of you whining like a stuck pussy threatening to tell mommy tho ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Well, most vegan discussions end up in some vegan activist realizing they're wrong, having no argument, so they get all emotional and start screaming some kind of homophobic or other slur.
Glad to see you're no different than the other nutjobs.
You cannot refute what we say with anything scientific. You have no evidence backing up your claims. You don't cite any sources, just vegan propaganda, and make no sense...
But hey, whatever. Enjoy living in ignorance.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "Glad to see you're no different than the other nutjobs." The nutjobs that want man to truly evolve, to truly progress, to truly learn?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy You're not trying to evolve. You're trying to PUSH/FORCE your beliefs on others.
You're an animal-rights activist, face it.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "You cannot refute what we say with anything scientific." Well let's start with paleo man whose average life was 30 years old. How is it scientific to think nutrition did not play a large part in that short, bleak life?
What about the fact that 2 out of 3 paleo babies dies in infancy. Coincidence?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy paleo man's lifespan: No housing, no health care, lack of clean water, etc... Your argument is again, completely flawed.
You may need to get educated about "confounding variables" before you keep making stupid arguments.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "You don't cite any sources, just vegan propaganda, and make no sense..." Sources? You mean more authorities? You need someone to hold your hand? to tell you it is going to be ok? Do we need someone to show us how to eat and live? Or can we, as men, see this for ourselves? After all, paleo men did not have the internet with millions of opinions, he took action, because he had to. Did you ever just take action without being told, without looking for someone else to show you the way?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Still no science, eh? You're not helping your argument.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "But hey, whatever. Enjoy living in ignorance." The ignorance of fresh, whole, wholesome fruits and vegetables? The ignorance of life and vitality, energy and wellness, cruelty free, harmonious? That kind of ignorance? Or is it because you have hate in your heart? Do you have stupid stereotypes that viel the truth from your own eyes? We have to look beyond that pettiness if we are to learn today.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Did you not read where I mentioned I eat tons of fresh, whole, wholesome fruits and vegetables? lol.
You're getting more and more desperate I see.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy What is new, not tens of thousands of years old is the consumption of meat, dairy and eggs as primary energy sources. since 1909, when the statistics were first gather, eating meat, dairy and eggs has skyrocketed. In this same time the consumption of whole grain, fruits and vegetables has plummuted. Coincidence? Think a little today.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Where DO you get your statistics? Vegan propaganda sites?
REAL stats show grains has risen and meat/saturated fat intake has dropped as the obesity rates climb.
Stop spouting off propaganda. You prove NOTHING yet. Please use some science or state your source of facts.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "Where DO you get your statistics? Vegan propaganda sites?" What stats? Want to quote stats till we are bored and blue the face? How common, how dull, right? Want to learn something today? Want to learn something about a decent, healthy, compassionate way to live and treat others?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@AlbertaBeefy "REAL stats show grains has risen and meat/saturated fat intake has dropped as the obesity rates climb." You are looking short term. Sure grains have rise in the past 50 years, but they are down the past 100 years. The USDA keeps all the stats on this you want. The rise is in refined grains, not in whole grains, and we are still not near 1909 numbers. Check it out!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "You prove NOTHING yet. Please use some science or state your source of facts" What do you want me to prove? What would be proof to you? How do you prove to someone else that torturing innocent animals is indecent human behavior? How do you prove to another they have been lied to, that they minds are corrupt with common lies? Do we not each have to see this for ourselves? and is it not required that we put aside our beliefs and observe, not argue or quote stats?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy No other animal eater has to use tools and fire to consume flesh. Have you ever seen a man, any man, catch and kill a mammal for food with his bare hands? Have you done it yourself? I would LOVE to see a vid of that! LOL
Have you ever eaten a mammal in its whole, natural state without tools or fire? Chew and tear through the fur and eat the raw rotting flesh, teeth, bones, ass, gut, etc?? What did man do before tools and fire? Hmmmm.....
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy So we should devolve to become a more stupid animal in order to eat meat?
That's one of the most-stupid things I've seen you write.
Why can't you use some science or real logic instead of stupid arguments based in your dogma?
Oh... is it because you HAVE NO SCIENCE AND NO LOGIC?
Your arguments are just dumb.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "So we should devolve to become a more stupid animal in order to eat meat?" You tell me, you are the one wanting to go back tens of thousands of years. Why? Because someone told you it was cool, it is "new." LOL New except tens of thousands of years old, right?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "Your arguments are just dumb." What would you like to know?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy I'd like you to post something that refutes anything I say using SCIENCE and cite your sources. I've done it for you multiple times in multiple threads. You, however, refuse to do so, only citing weird arguments with no basis in fact.
If you can't do that, then you're a troll, and GTFO maybe.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
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@FathomlessJoy Your quote "Have you ever eaten a mammal in its whole, natural state without tools or fire? Chew and tear through the fur and eat the raw rotting flesh, teeth, bones, ass, gut, etc?? What did man do before tools and fire? Hmmmm....."
shows how retarded your thinking is. We are not carnivores. We're omnivores. We've had fire and tools for literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Science prove that.
Why are your arguments so stupid? Is it your diet, perhaps?
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy I am also saying that going to the hospital and taking perscription drugs is the 4 leading cause of death in the nation. So, critical thinking would serve you well, unless you just like to look at little popup book pictures are presented in this vid and play with your pinwheel hat ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy "going to the hospital AND taking prescription drugs is the 4 leading cause of death in the nation"
What does that mean? You cite TWO things, how can two different things be 4 leading causes of death? Or are those TWO things the 4th leading cause of death?
Like I said, you make no sense. Also, if you care to explain your moronic argument, back it up with some sources please.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
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@AlbertaBeefy "What does that mean? You cite TWO things, how can two different things be 4 leading causes of death? " Those two things together are the 4th leading cause of death. A little numbers trick to wake you up, see if you can consider something different, look at life in a different, new way. Question this video, don't just accept things as they are. Perscription drugs are killng man, not saving him. Doctors treat symptoms, they know little of actual healing. It is a fact.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
I do believe that once paleo has been around a little longer, and people understand it, it'll get much better reviews. One "bad review" from a poorly-written article by people that are living in the past is hardly conclusive...
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy It has been around in one form or another for 20 years. It is a modification of SAD, a little gimmick version of Atkins.Trouble is, Atkins got heart disease on it and probably died of multiple heart attacks.
If you want to get medical and nutrional professionals' take on paleo, look up a recent study that stack ranked 20 diets according to heart health, weight control, diabetes management, etc. Paleo came in dead last, pun intended, in every category.
~Vegan for life!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Your vegan propaganda is showing.
There is no truth to the fact Atkins diet contributed to his heart attack. His own doctor states it's not so, and the standard medical opinion (outside of vegan activists) is that his cardiomyopathy (a chronic condition) was caused by a viral illness.
Atkins had cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle itself. He did not die from eating a high-fat diet.
Your dogma is showing... You don't even research, do you?
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
Any nutritionist that thinks we SHOULD be eating milk and cookies doesn't warrant listening to, in my book.
But then again, I'm educated, not blinded by vegan propaganda like FathomlessJoy.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy Feel free to approach me like a man, you will be treated as a man. I wouldn't touch milk and cookies with a pink dancing paleo man's stick.
What about your education tells you any of the downsides of paleo? Or it is all perfect, all upside, "DORK On "for life?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy again, I'm not paleo. You keep making assumptions.
I eat a healthy balanced diet. I do eat organic meat, yes. I do eat tons of vegetables and fruit. I eat nuts, legumes, beans, lentils. I eat non-paleo items like peanut butter (natural) and many other non-paleo items. I also eat some dairy - cheese and cream. I do not drink milk.
It's been proven meat is party of a healthy life. You cannot disprove this. If you can, please do.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
Anyone who's read the US News and World report look into diets knows it's crap.
Almost every "expert" they polled was either a registered dietician (who give bad advice based on what the agricultural industry wants, especially being grain-pushers) or an MD who have no nutritional training.
No nutritionist or dietician governing body has yet adopted the new science. They also cited that the needed nutrients were there, but said things like "it's not easy having no milk and cookies" ...
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy Actually they just conducted a nationwide survery of cardiologists (heart doctors), nutritionists and dieticians that stack ranked 20 diets. Paleo came in dead last in every category, with it's step brother Atkins largely just above it.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Actually, read the full article.
1. They did state paleo had all necessary nutrients.
2. There concern was a lack of long-term studies, which admittedly there's not much of.
However, they show their bias by ranking veganism higher, although everyone knows vegans do not get enough B12 - they said they should eat "fortified breakfast cereal" wow... suggesting refined/processed foods to a vegan? Yeah, that article made sense.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "1. They did state paleo had all necessary nutrients." Yeah, to have a 2/3 infant mortality rate and an average lifespan of 30 years. I want to live to 150, not 30, bro. Sorry.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy again, your argument is flawed. See the reason I give below.
No primitive society has the lifespan of modern society. That doesn't mean diet was the issue.
You have yet to come up with a valid argument. Just admit your only argument is one of personal beliefs, would you?
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "2. There concern was a lack of long-term studies, which admittedly there's not much of." Agreed. But I just do not need studies, some authorities with agendas and biases to tell me how to do something as basic as eating. I looked it for myself. I fasted, I did a cleanse, I exercised, and I detoxed and it all came together, it hit me, in a stroke of health and compassion: I do not have to rape and torture animals to thrive, to live healthy and get 100% of my nutrition from my food.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy no, you need no studies, you need only your vegan gurus that brainwashed you.
I don't need to rape or torture animals either, and I don't.
Again, you're getting overly-emotional here mr. Animal-Rights activist. That's all you are, why not go away, troll?
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy It seems like you are angry and hateful. Is that true: Are you mad becaus of all the lies? Every health guru has a new fad to sell? All men trying to profit off of man's insecurity, not knowing how to treat his own body, not knowing how to treat others, incluiding animals. Is that this source of meaness?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy blah blah blah. Keep blathering on with your ridiculous ideas. I hope others will find you more entertaining. Me, I just find you brainwashed.
And all of medical science knows the truth. Big pharma and big agra sure have a vested-interest in controlling what medical school students learn though, don't they?
And I wish you a good life also. Enjoy your higher rates of colorectal cancer and your B12 deficiency. did you ever refute that, btw?
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "Me, I just find you brainwashed" Perhaps. Brainwashed to do what everyone else does? Hmmm. well not really. Brainwashed by a billion dollar propaganda machine selling the same old shit and calling it sugar on every street corner and boob tube? Hardly. Seems like someone else you know may have a bit of the old brainwash going on up in there! ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "I don't need to rape or torture animals either, and I don't." This is awesome! So long as we live true to ourselves, what else is there? I would not, however, have you pegged as a vegan, as you seem so hateful toward vegans. But I wish you well on a life of whole, healthy plant foods!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@AlbertaBeefy "Again, you're getting overly-emotional here mr. Animal-Rights activist. That's all you are, why not go away, troll?" Because I like it here. I like to share a new way of life to those caught in blindness. But you have said that you do not rape and torture animals for food anymore, so there really isn't anything we need to discuss, as we both eat relatively healthy without saturated fat, LDL and the disease and rot of animal products.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "although everyone knows vegans do not get enough B12 -" You have no proof of that whatsoever. I know it is a line you hear and like to repeat, but there is no proof, right?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy I don't? Would you like some?
ncbi.nlm.nih*gov/pubmed/12816765 shows 80% of vegans have a B12 deficiency.
Dr. Mcdougall, PCRM animal activist and author states you MUST take B12 supplements. Search "mcdougall b12" to find it. It's in ALL his books and dvd's.
Dr. Neal Barnard, PCRM activist, Peta member gave B12 supplementation to all his vegan study patients.
Dr. Esselstyn recommends ...a multivitamin to insure adequate amounts of B6, folic acid & B12.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy Those souces didn't prove anything at all. For instance you should know that B12 deficiency is mostly seen in meat eaters. Did you know that? Also, most deficiencies are related to general malnutrition, where lack of protein is the leading factor. Those facts don't fit wiht your religion tho, do they?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy No, it's not mostly seen in meat eaters. Studies show as much as 40% may have a B12 deficiency. Whilst 80% of vegans do.
There are more meat-eaters, that doesn't make us more likely to have a B12 deficiency because there's more of us. YOU are more likely.
I can't believe you stupid you are to believe the vegan dogma. You're reciting things I see on their websites almost word-for-word.
This is my last reply to you. You're not worth anyone's time. You're a fool.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy Even by your own phantom studies that is WAY more, tens of millions more in meat eaters, right? Do your dark secret studies say what the number one cause of it is? If so you will be relieved to find out it is not lack of B12 but in fact a genetic problem in intrinsic factor.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@AlbertaBeefy " can't believe you stupid you are to believe the vegan dogma" It has been a while since I have discussed anything with someone so religious and angry. Perhaps it is those anger problems that are causing you to look at a new, healthy way of life?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "This is my last reply to you. You're not worth anyone's time. You're a fool." Aw, shucky darns! You stopped this shy of showing proof of anything ;) Peace.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy Dayem, baby sister got spanked!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "There are more meat-eaters [with B12 deficiency]" So here you are, yelling and flapping your wings about vegans and B12 and you finally admit that is it meat eaters, tons more of them, who actually are B12 deficient. Well thank you! I actually respect that you admit it, just wish it hadn't been such an ordeal. Peace.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
Did you read what he said, Fathomless? He proved to you by linking to studies showing there's a greater percentage of veg people with B12 deficiencies... are you too blind to see?
Like most propagandists you twist what others say, exclude some pertinent information to mislead people. You learned from T. Colin Campbell, I see.
wow... like I said, nutjob.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "You're reciting things I see on their websites almost word-for-word." Can you give me a for instance? I don't go to any vegan sites so I am curious is this is another blind accusaiton or are there things you think I have plagarized or something. Let me know.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy "they said they should eat "fortified breakfast cereal" they say it is one option, one I happen to disagree with. I do not agree with a lot of things in that survey. One thing that came up clear tho is the health professions all over the US think that paleo is fail-eo.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago