My mother used to beat me everyday and never show me love when I was a child and even in teenage life. My father used to be very hard on me too and the only way I survived everything was through this Philosophy. I became masculine as hell and hard as a rock, I can almost relate what spartans went through when they mothers threw them and treated them like property with no love.
I am now 18, apathetic but somewhat happy and proud because of my survival.
You "can almost relate what spartans went through when they mothers threw them and treated them like property with no love" because you're not a pathetic little weirdo, you are masculine as hell and hard as rock.
You're a survivor. Through this philosophy. Alsmost like the Spartans, whose "mothers threw them and treated them like property with no love".
Stoicism is a great philosophy even i have some critic about it.
-Stoicism doesnt care for social change...it only tells us how to act towards the difficulties as a defensive reaction.....it is kind of a weapon to keep oneself in a state of harmony with every happening.
-Stoicism is a philosophy that insists on living in accordance with nature,BUT it is itself a challenge and an overcoming to the human nature...
I think Stoicism is, by implication, politically progressive. Behaving as morally as Stoicism would lead one to behave would inevitably lead to championing progressive causes and being a boy scout, politically. See: Cato, or Marcus.
As for "human nature", it certainly is to be overcome (in Stoicism), but the Stoics believed in man having an ideal nature, a soul, and in the universe's containing a ruling reason (a sort of soul) as well. And the trick was to bring these into accord.
@cauchamar that is right in some way what you have mentioned mate.but i think that all moral philsophies and even all religions have the same view to and condemn evil and human defects.Stoicism has more tendency to overwhelm daily difficulties than changing the whole system.
Stoicism tends to lrationally control our thoughts and thus our actions every moment...but sometimes i think we should get out of the restricted logic castle! so that not to turn Stoicism into a passion!!!
You lost me when you started bringing god into it.
Stoicism is a nice theory. A pity it doesn’t work in practice. E.g. The personality trait of neuroticism has been demonstrated to be up to 80% inheritable. If you are unlucky enough to be strong in this trait, good luck leading a life of stoicism.
@Benno1515 ,like everything else, it has usable things and useless ones. I agree about what you said, also it sounds like a load of bullshit to say that 'happiness is dependend ONLY on our character' and that 'we are the problem'. They should have asked people who lost their legs into a car accident. Obviously, it's their fault why they were just parking and a truck smashed into their cars. Or children who have been abducted by pedophiles. Yes, 'we are the problem'.
@luigiperso I'm glad that you agree. I guess my main point is that stoicism is an ideal. Some people take lifes knocks in their stride and they do so quite naturally. In my oppinion, these people dont deserve credit for their stoicism any more than a rich kid deserves credit for being rich.
@Benno1515 , I am sure that stoicism can be used; in fact, I intend to do so myself. The only problem is, if, like with every 'system', it is believed that the system is the ultimate strategy, the best one, etc..however, I wish to be more stoic myself, for example I can be quite emotional or intense ..no I don't cry, ah ah, but I get nervous in situations that should not be a problem for a man, i.e. when someone plays 'social games' , for example someone says something to put me down
@luigiperso I think we may be on the same page then as I too aim to be stoic where I can. I personally believe that the way a person behaves can be aesthetically pleasing and that dignity can be rooted in the life of a stoic. However, you would be suprised about the things that worry men. Dont forget I think it was the philiosopher Seneca who was one of the more famous stoics.
Stoicism is a philosophy and a doctrine. People who naturally seem to take things in stride are perhaps stoic or stoical (the adjective), and may even unwittingly employ some of the techniques of Stoic thought, but they are not Stoics. No one is naturally a Stoic any more than one can be born a Buddhist monk. You can only be born with more or less of a natural aptitude for those things should you ever attempt to train in them.
But those people ARE the problems. If their legs are lost, that's out of their control. They can look at the situation and say, "I lost my legs in an accident." And then there are two possible paths - they think, "God that sucks, everything is over and ruined, woe is me", or they can stop and choose to feel a different way. You tell me which will have the better outcome for that person. Look at injured soldiers. Attitude really does determine a lot. You can bury yourself sometimes.
You could not be more wrong (ie, "doesn't work in practice"). Stoicism is the basis of cognitive-behavioral therapy, which is the most effective therapy for countless mental and personality problems - many of which can't be treated effectively by any other means. I don't know much about neuroticism and its inheritability, but I do know that CBT is used with great effectiveness to treat many personality and mental disorders that are in all likelihood inherited.
@cauchamar I personally believe cognitive behavioural therapy may be flawed. The central concept behind CBT is to challenge your irrational thoughts which according to Mindfulness based stress reduction (MBSR) makes them worse inline with neuroscience findings. This type of treatment teaches the complete opposite of CBT, dont challenge your thoughts just acknowledge them. Challenging them makes them worse. I think CBT works for the same reason that talking to a friend about a problem works.
Also, I didn't finish this video (once she pronounced Epic-TEE-tus as Epic-TY-tus I bowed out), so I don't know what the young lady says the Stoics believed about god or gods, but it was essentially an atheistic religion. In the sense of, not theistic. Their "gods" or "god" (which are indeed referenced repeatedly throughout, as is "Zeus") are vastly different conceptions from the Hebraic variety or even from the Greek or Roman variety. The words are used euphemistically in Stoicism.
@Chansulus I'm Australian, not a nun. But generally getting trashed at a club whilst letting men grind on me isn't my thing. But hey, maybe i'm missing out ...after all, who wouldn't want to wake up with a hang-over and a lack of self-respect?
Wow, awesome. You are very talented. I know for sure that I used stoicism as a way of surviving military prison. It was either stoicism or break down like a small child and cry for my mommie (which I seen hardened soldiers do).
Peak oil, climate change, overpopulation, resource wars. Stoicism will keep you strong.
The core difference between Buddhism and Stoicism is Buddhism's main goal is to root out craving, while Stoicism's is to cultivate acceptance of things beyond your control. Personally, I've found the latter to be much more within our grasp.
Brilliant video, if people adopted this philosophy for even a little bit in their lives, peoples lives would be calmer and definitely more preferred.
@maxgunn555 No, that is incorrect. A stoic would use reason to conclude that moving out of the way of a car would be better than allowing themselves to be hit by that car. That said, if they were to be hit by the car despite their attempt to move out of the way, they would realize that the outcome of the situation was beyond their control and accept it as is.
basically good or bad. stoics want whatever they objectively expect to happen to happen. as this will make them happy. if they see a car coming at them bodily reactions aside they will expect to get hit and thus will let themselves get hit as this is most probable. is this correct?
@maxgunn555 Not really. If they noticed the car in time to move out of the way, and they did, that would alter the outcome according to their choice. In other words, they had some control over the outcome in that situation, and acted accordingly. Stoicism doesn't say you can't have preferences and it doesn't deny the factor of choice: all it says is that you should learn to abide those things you are helpless to change or prevent.
@maxgunn555 It's very hard to say, since with any example you can usually ask whether an unfavorable outcome could have been averted somehow.. maybe I wouldn't have gotten cancer if I'd taken more vitamin C, who knows. Stoicism approaches the problem more in the past tense. Regardless of how we came to our present situation, through either personal choice or happenstance, what's indisputable is that we can't change the past. Crying about it won't improve anything, so what's the use in crying?
@magritte128 i'm saying that we can change anything in the present so this stoic thing is a bit redundant. i dont think stoicism is about looking at the past.
@maxgunn555 I don't think we can change anything in the present. If there's this girl I really like, and I want her to be attracted to me too, can I get her to, somehow? Maybe, but not necessarily. How do you mean that stoicism is redundant?
@magritte128 it just seems a bit arbitrary... if you cant do something then you can't do it. simple as. theres no point making a philosophy behind it.
@maxgunn555 I see. Yeah, stoicism is much more than that one idea. That idea is one of many corollaries to the overall philosophy, which is mainly centered around the idea that man is part of nature, and everything that occurs to us is in perfect harmony with a kind of divine order..
@maxgunn555 No, a divine order in the sense that there's a greater principle that unites humanity, and it's our common rationality and recognition of mutual worth. That's what distinguishes us from the animals. Where stoicism differs from most western religion is that it doesn't place humanity at the center of the universe. We're will, by the natural, divine order of things, suffer and age and die along with everything else that lives, so rather than begrudge our pain, we should accept it.
@magritte128 humans are different from animals in the sense we have collective intelligence like you mentioned (ie language and communication) - so this divine order would be collective reasoning right?. you do realise eventually we will create a drug or something that grants us immortality or atleast far longer life.
@maxgunn555 More in the sense that our rationality can elevate us above our usual petty desires and concerns. I don't know that we'll eventually develop immortality. Even if we did, I don't think that would be preferable. From the stoical perspective, death is a gift. Death gives us a sense of preciousness and urgency in our lives, and is a part of nature. We die so that other things may live, and since no one is any more important than anyone else, it's our duty to die eventually.
@magritte128 thats actually a little bit scary your last point. we can live for a long time and this won't cause other people to not be able to live... there might be population control problems but thats just a problem some clever person will sort out. it's scary how much you appreciate dying.
@maxgunn555 I'm definitely not suggesting we need to regulate when people die. But I do think people living indefinitely would be a bad prospect philosophically as well as socially, as you stated, because our resources for producing food, etc. are limited. In any case, there's nothing scary about non-existence. You just fade out. In all likelihood, you weren't alive elsewhere before you born, and you return to that state once you die. Were you in a really frightening or terrible state then?
@magritte128 ok again like i said people have ways to figure out how to ration food e.t.c create more food even. it's a manageable problem. as regards to your last question... what? what are you asking exactly?
@maxgunn555 I would hope it would be manageable, yeah, but my concern is that it might not be. I'm asking, is there anything negative or scary about non-existence? Is non-existence something we should stave off or avoid, if we could? It seems to me that your answer would be yes.
@magritte128 just think about it if non existence ie death was truly favourable then why dont we all just commit suicide now. because death/non-existence isnt good - it's the worst thing ever.
@maxgunn555 No, it's not. The reason we don't commit suicide now is because there's things we still want to do and experience. Of course, we'll eventually reach a stage where that will no longer be so, mostly due to physical infirmity. I would say there's stuff in life that's much worse than no longer existing.. like being in a lot of pain but not being able to do anything about it. Death is preferable to a lot of things out there. Whether it's preferable overall, considering my state now, no.
@magritte128 it's not about just doing adn experiencing but also learning about life ie science - anything you enjoy. if there was nothing worth learning about anymore then yeah no point living. also as for infirmity if we can find an immortality drug i'm sure we can solve issues to do with infirmity. also even in alot of pain death is never better OVERALL, because pain does go away. pain is just an emotion evolution has given us.
@maxgunn555 Avoiding pain isn't always a matter of managing physical sensations, though. We feel pain at the loss of what we hold dear, our possessions and loved ones and so on. You seem to be substituting faith in an afterlife with faith in pharmacology as a way to get around the problem of death.
@magritte128 i meant pain in those respects too but given an indefinate period of time pain goes away. maybe it's evolution who knows but pain is an emotion given to us for our benefit and does go away. you said it yourself death is a problem so why not make it go away. i dont like your idea of subsitituting faith in pharmocology, theres no such thing as faith in science - hope would be the right word. they already have immortal jellyfish and mice. we prolong life now anyway, why ont go further.
So giving in to the impressions of external things, means that we have made the choice to give our emotions, our calmness our very mind in a sense to someone or thing. Stoicism all comes down to exercising choice, or Prohairesis.
I like the philosophy for it's detachment, and how everything we perceive is because we perceive it that way. But I don't agree with the whole "Everything happens for a reason", or that God should have any part of it.
@Bigheadet But surely the "pointless" comedians making jokes should not matter, because they are indifferent . Although I sympathise with you statement "pointless" I must point out that everything must have a point, if it did not have a point it would not exist. That may well be their point, but you yourself have the choice on how you respond to that... that is Prohairesis.
@ThelastPantheist thank you so much for explaining. but would you mind further explaining why one thing cannot exist if it has no purpose? i dont get the logic here :D
Well surely the basis for something to exist is purpose, if something has no purpose, it would have no reason, so the logic is that only things that have a purpose exist, even vicious things. for example, something could choose to exist, but to choose to exist would be its purpose. that is probably not a clear example, but I hope that helped?
@BDeiste But the Buddhist differ with the Stoics in their idea of good and evil a bit. They tend to be more in line with the school of Epicurus that pleasure is good and pain bad. The elimination of pain to remain in a state of pleasure is what the religion's ethics are modeled around.
I've recently found out this school of thought. Surprisingly to me, it's exactly what I believe and how I live my life. Finally I found a name for it, and perhaps some brethren.
I use your beautifully video for an article "The alleged usefulness of Stoic philosophy for life today + Stoic Philosophy against Anger" on my website makeAhistory.c o m . .........Hope it's OK with you.....
I must say "christian stoics" seem to be in direct opposition to the more traditional stoicism that is more pantheistic in nature. I must say this contradiction within "christian stoics" seems to take away from the whole stoic philosophy of causality and an almost deterministic outlook on life and philosophy.
There's somehting I don't get. Why this idea of CONTROL by logos? Is it so hard to imagine that fate or events are just random?
What in our world points to this "control" ? I honestly can't seem to detect it no matter how hard I try. Things happen. There's no discernable pattern if we are being honest with ourselves. I just can't figure that part out
im an 18 year old whos been a stoic for about 2 years and i follow everything this says minus the part about fate. so a very good video. i had to incorporate epictitus' hardcore stoicism the other day when i broke my finger though during football practice- its actually enjoyable. being completely emotionless under an unhealthy amount of pain. and my god i cant get enough of your accent..
I am very impressed with your video clip. I have only started to discover Stoicism and had recently read the Meditations. Your clip was on point and very informative. As a young woman you have brilliant talents of presentation and editing.
Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE
Thanks! your presentation is very helpful to me. I am Currently reading: "Harvard Classics, Vol. 2, Part 2, The Golden Sayings of Epictetus." An A+ and an Awesome rating for you!
I disagree with the belief that all pleasure leads to pain, because that is a generalization of pleasure, I believe that what pleasure can be had should be taken, but with analization of the consequences in the future, I see that what you see as pain is contradicted by your personality, but at the same time i understand that the objective is to control what you see as pain, I believe that it pain should run its course without control. I understand the loss of pain as an act of "not caring". -KB
I have considered this vis a vis the emphasis on dukkha (unsatisfactoriness) in Buddhism.
I think that natural selection has given us an inbuilt positivity which QED not only balances but outweighs the (sometimes evolutionarily useful, such as doubt etc) negativity we experience.
Any overemhasis on pleasure seems somewhat doomed, but a healthy and balanced enjoyment of it seems to me the key. John
Completely agree, Pleasure is pain without pain, hence- "You never know what you have till its gone"
But in the stoic sence, Pain is pleasure without pleasure!
"You never know what your missing till you have it"
-its the basic sence that it came across to me as.
A ballance between pleasure and pain is risky, due to pain. People are always afraid of pain, some more than others, but stoics (Forgive me if I'm mistaken) Seek to avoid pain by charging pain, -somewhat of a cowardly measure I think.
Stoicism is similar to several main theologies, but it and they are not without their flaws. We don't exist in a vacuum, and aren't meant to. And no matter how at one with things a man may be, there are still many others who stumble in the way in their own idless search for peace,
@TheAustralianPhoenix The british are good at it. When London was bombed, the british were handing tea out. The next day they got back on the Buses and trains and then complained how they were late.
Is this a Vulcan belief........?
SnakeNaRainOGz 1 week ago
My mother used to beat me everyday and never show me love when I was a child and even in teenage life. My father used to be very hard on me too and the only way I survived everything was through this Philosophy. I became masculine as hell and hard as a rock, I can almost relate what spartans went through when they mothers threw them and treated them like property with no love.
I am now 18, apathetic but somewhat happy and proud because of my survival.
By the way this girl is very attractive :)
90talisten 2 months ago
@90talisten
You "can almost relate what spartans went through when they mothers threw them and treated them like property with no love" because you're not a pathetic little weirdo, you are masculine as hell and hard as rock.
You're a survivor. Through this philosophy. Alsmost like the Spartans, whose "mothers threw them and treated them like property with no love".
You fucking clown.
Schweitzer007 1 week ago
@Schweitzer007
Obvious troll is obvious The troll cannons has been fired!
try harder next time, douchecake :)
90talisten 1 week ago
@90talisten
I was just joking.
I'm sorry that you had to go through all this.
Schweitzer007 1 week ago
@Schweitzer007
Yeah I was laughing my ass off, good job..
90talisten 1 week ago
better than any religion... but tell me. What is this song's name
zoveia 2 months ago
@tidzski So bringing stoicism into account, I choose to tell you that your soo fine! fine as wine :P match in the gas tank ;)
kingstepa 2 months ago
Awesome!!
RMR12100 3 months ago
Thanks to all the positive comments guys!!! Didn't think my last minute presentation would get so far! :)
tidzski 3 months ago
@tidzski This Vid is sick! I now understand what it means to b a stoic :P
kingstepa 2 months ago
Thumbs up if Tim Ferriss sent you here.
akshayzz1 3 months ago
loved it
hashemyarizadeh 3 months ago
Great video. I have chosen to enjoy it immensely.
historyscientist 3 months ago 2
Wow that music gets on your nerves.
burn70u7 5 months ago 2
@burn70u7 I apologise that the music gets on your nerves, I could suggest you don't watch it, or focus on the more important problems in life.
tidzski 3 months ago
Stoicism is a great philosophy even i have some critic about it.
-Stoicism doesnt care for social change...it only tells us how to act towards the difficulties as a defensive reaction.....it is kind of a weapon to keep oneself in a state of harmony with every happening.
-Stoicism is a philosophy that insists on living in accordance with nature,BUT it is itself a challenge and an overcoming to the human nature...
megaralee 5 months ago
@megaralee
I think Stoicism is, by implication, politically progressive. Behaving as morally as Stoicism would lead one to behave would inevitably lead to championing progressive causes and being a boy scout, politically. See: Cato, or Marcus.
As for "human nature", it certainly is to be overcome (in Stoicism), but the Stoics believed in man having an ideal nature, a soul, and in the universe's containing a ruling reason (a sort of soul) as well. And the trick was to bring these into accord.
cauchamar 5 months ago
@cauchamar that is right in some way what you have mentioned mate.but i think that all moral philsophies and even all religions have the same view to and condemn evil and human defects.Stoicism has more tendency to overwhelm daily difficulties than changing the whole system.
Stoicism tends to lrationally control our thoughts and thus our actions every moment...but sometimes i think we should get out of the restricted logic castle! so that not to turn Stoicism into a passion!!!
megaralee 5 months ago
@cauchamar sorry typing mistake in: RATIONALLY INSTEAD OF irrationally.
megaralee 5 months ago
You lost me when you started bringing god into it.
Stoicism is a nice theory. A pity it doesn’t work in practice. E.g. The personality trait of neuroticism has been demonstrated to be up to 80% inheritable. If you are unlucky enough to be strong in this trait, good luck leading a life of stoicism.
Benno1515 7 months ago
@Benno1515 ,like everything else, it has usable things and useless ones. I agree about what you said, also it sounds like a load of bullshit to say that 'happiness is dependend ONLY on our character' and that 'we are the problem'. They should have asked people who lost their legs into a car accident. Obviously, it's their fault why they were just parking and a truck smashed into their cars. Or children who have been abducted by pedophiles. Yes, 'we are the problem'.
luigiperso 6 months ago
@luigiperso I'm glad that you agree. I guess my main point is that stoicism is an ideal. Some people take lifes knocks in their stride and they do so quite naturally. In my oppinion, these people dont deserve credit for their stoicism any more than a rich kid deserves credit for being rich.
Benno1515 6 months ago
@Benno1515 , I am sure that stoicism can be used; in fact, I intend to do so myself. The only problem is, if, like with every 'system', it is believed that the system is the ultimate strategy, the best one, etc..however, I wish to be more stoic myself, for example I can be quite emotional or intense ..no I don't cry, ah ah, but I get nervous in situations that should not be a problem for a man, i.e. when someone plays 'social games' , for example someone says something to put me down
luigiperso 6 months ago
@luigiperso I think we may be on the same page then as I too aim to be stoic where I can. I personally believe that the way a person behaves can be aesthetically pleasing and that dignity can be rooted in the life of a stoic. However, you would be suprised about the things that worry men. Dont forget I think it was the philiosopher Seneca who was one of the more famous stoics.
Benno1515 6 months ago
@Benno1515
Stoicism is a philosophy and a doctrine. People who naturally seem to take things in stride are perhaps stoic or stoical (the adjective), and may even unwittingly employ some of the techniques of Stoic thought, but they are not Stoics. No one is naturally a Stoic any more than one can be born a Buddhist monk. You can only be born with more or less of a natural aptitude for those things should you ever attempt to train in them.
cauchamar 5 months ago
@luigiperso
But those people ARE the problems. If their legs are lost, that's out of their control. They can look at the situation and say, "I lost my legs in an accident." And then there are two possible paths - they think, "God that sucks, everything is over and ruined, woe is me", or they can stop and choose to feel a different way. You tell me which will have the better outcome for that person. Look at injured soldiers. Attitude really does determine a lot. You can bury yourself sometimes.
cauchamar 5 months ago
@Benno1515
You could not be more wrong (ie, "doesn't work in practice"). Stoicism is the basis of cognitive-behavioral therapy, which is the most effective therapy for countless mental and personality problems - many of which can't be treated effectively by any other means. I don't know much about neuroticism and its inheritability, but I do know that CBT is used with great effectiveness to treat many personality and mental disorders that are in all likelihood inherited.
cauchamar 5 months ago
@cauchamar I personally believe cognitive behavioural therapy may be flawed. The central concept behind CBT is to challenge your irrational thoughts which according to Mindfulness based stress reduction (MBSR) makes them worse inline with neuroscience findings. This type of treatment teaches the complete opposite of CBT, dont challenge your thoughts just acknowledge them. Challenging them makes them worse. I think CBT works for the same reason that talking to a friend about a problem works.
Benno1515 5 months ago
@Benno1515
Also, I didn't finish this video (once she pronounced Epic-TEE-tus as Epic-TY-tus I bowed out), so I don't know what the young lady says the Stoics believed about god or gods, but it was essentially an atheistic religion. In the sense of, not theistic. Their "gods" or "god" (which are indeed referenced repeatedly throughout, as is "Zeus") are vastly different conceptions from the Hebraic variety or even from the Greek or Roman variety. The words are used euphemistically in Stoicism.
cauchamar 5 months ago
north europen girl into Stoicism waaaht shouldent you be drunk at a club or something.
Chansulus 8 months ago
@Chansulus shes clearly australian, dumbass
agents1986 7 months ago
@agents1986 dumbass that's mine . lol chill what i said is true she does have viking ancestors.
Chansulus 7 months ago
@agents1986 Shes british !
glen432003 6 months ago
@glen432003 No.
agents1986 6 months ago
@glen432003 I'm Australian haha
tidzski 3 months ago
@Chansulus I'm Australian, not a nun. But generally getting trashed at a club whilst letting men grind on me isn't my thing. But hey, maybe i'm missing out ...after all, who wouldn't want to wake up with a hang-over and a lack of self-respect?
tidzski 3 months ago 2
@tidzski "who wouldn't want to wake up with a hang over and a lack of self respect" Marry me right now
chaseverdi 1 month ago
Wow, awesome. You are very talented. I know for sure that I used stoicism as a way of surviving military prison. It was either stoicism or break down like a small child and cry for my mommie (which I seen hardened soldiers do).
Peak oil, climate change, overpopulation, resource wars. Stoicism will keep you strong.
bucketonamonkeyshead 8 months ago
Aurelius was in his mid-40s when he wrote the Meditations, I believe.
magritte128 9 months ago
how old was marcus when he wrote meditations?
Rockguitarhero462 9 months ago
The core difference between Buddhism and Stoicism is Buddhism's main goal is to root out craving, while Stoicism's is to cultivate acceptance of things beyond your control. Personally, I've found the latter to be much more within our grasp.
shadowheart52 9 months ago
Thank you for this video!
Eviljenny73 10 months ago
Interesting. I am a stoic. At least I try to be.
abcedy123456 10 months ago
Brilliant video, if people adopted this philosophy for even a little bit in their lives, peoples lives would be calmer and definitely more preferred.
ThelastPantheist 10 months ago
What's the name of the soundtrack?
NeoChalcedonian 10 months ago
@NeoChalcedonian It's nine inch nails, but had to mix it so it didn't have lyrics.
tidzski 3 months ago
@NeoChalcedonian It is "just like you imagined" from Nine Inch Nail's album "The Fragile". I don't think there are even words in it anyway...
RockUhRollinSisyphus 2 months ago
@maxgunn555 No, that is incorrect. A stoic would use reason to conclude that moving out of the way of a car would be better than allowing themselves to be hit by that car. That said, if they were to be hit by the car despite their attempt to move out of the way, they would realize that the outcome of the situation was beyond their control and accept it as is.
chanchan4736 11 months ago
@chanchan4736 Precisely couldn't have put it better myself.
ThelastPantheist 10 months ago
karate uses this
noob8 11 months ago
I find myself returning to this video over and over again.
Hupiacoaybay 11 months ago
basically good or bad. stoics want whatever they objectively expect to happen to happen. as this will make them happy. if they see a car coming at them bodily reactions aside they will expect to get hit and thus will let themselves get hit as this is most probable. is this correct?
maxgunn555 11 months ago
@maxgunn555 Not really. If they noticed the car in time to move out of the way, and they did, that would alter the outcome according to their choice. In other words, they had some control over the outcome in that situation, and acted accordingly. Stoicism doesn't say you can't have preferences and it doesn't deny the factor of choice: all it says is that you should learn to abide those things you are helpless to change or prevent.
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 but what is one helpless to change or prevent which we might try to ? give me a meaningfull example.
maxgunn555 9 months ago
@maxgunn555 It's very hard to say, since with any example you can usually ask whether an unfavorable outcome could have been averted somehow.. maybe I wouldn't have gotten cancer if I'd taken more vitamin C, who knows. Stoicism approaches the problem more in the past tense. Regardless of how we came to our present situation, through either personal choice or happenstance, what's indisputable is that we can't change the past. Crying about it won't improve anything, so what's the use in crying?
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 i'm saying that we can change anything in the present so this stoic thing is a bit redundant. i dont think stoicism is about looking at the past.
maxgunn555 9 months ago
@maxgunn555 I don't think we can change anything in the present. If there's this girl I really like, and I want her to be attracted to me too, can I get her to, somehow? Maybe, but not necessarily. How do you mean that stoicism is redundant?
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 it just seems a bit arbitrary... if you cant do something then you can't do it. simple as. theres no point making a philosophy behind it.
maxgunn555 9 months ago
@maxgunn555 I see. Yeah, stoicism is much more than that one idea. That idea is one of many corollaries to the overall philosophy, which is mainly centered around the idea that man is part of nature, and everything that occurs to us is in perfect harmony with a kind of divine order..
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 divine order meaning evolution?
maxgunn555 9 months ago
@maxgunn555 No, a divine order in the sense that there's a greater principle that unites humanity, and it's our common rationality and recognition of mutual worth. That's what distinguishes us from the animals. Where stoicism differs from most western religion is that it doesn't place humanity at the center of the universe. We're will, by the natural, divine order of things, suffer and age and die along with everything else that lives, so rather than begrudge our pain, we should accept it.
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 humans are different from animals in the sense we have collective intelligence like you mentioned (ie language and communication) - so this divine order would be collective reasoning right?. you do realise eventually we will create a drug or something that grants us immortality or atleast far longer life.
maxgunn555 9 months ago
@maxgunn555 More in the sense that our rationality can elevate us above our usual petty desires and concerns. I don't know that we'll eventually develop immortality. Even if we did, I don't think that would be preferable. From the stoical perspective, death is a gift. Death gives us a sense of preciousness and urgency in our lives, and is a part of nature. We die so that other things may live, and since no one is any more important than anyone else, it's our duty to die eventually.
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 thats actually a little bit scary your last point. we can live for a long time and this won't cause other people to not be able to live... there might be population control problems but thats just a problem some clever person will sort out. it's scary how much you appreciate dying.
maxgunn555 9 months ago
@maxgunn555 I'm definitely not suggesting we need to regulate when people die. But I do think people living indefinitely would be a bad prospect philosophically as well as socially, as you stated, because our resources for producing food, etc. are limited. In any case, there's nothing scary about non-existence. You just fade out. In all likelihood, you weren't alive elsewhere before you born, and you return to that state once you die. Were you in a really frightening or terrible state then?
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 ok again like i said people have ways to figure out how to ration food e.t.c create more food even. it's a manageable problem. as regards to your last question... what? what are you asking exactly?
maxgunn555 9 months ago
@maxgunn555 I would hope it would be manageable, yeah, but my concern is that it might not be. I'm asking, is there anything negative or scary about non-existence? Is non-existence something we should stave off or avoid, if we could? It seems to me that your answer would be yes.
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 just think about it if non existence ie death was truly favourable then why dont we all just commit suicide now. because death/non-existence isnt good - it's the worst thing ever.
maxgunn555 9 months ago
@maxgunn555 No, it's not. The reason we don't commit suicide now is because there's things we still want to do and experience. Of course, we'll eventually reach a stage where that will no longer be so, mostly due to physical infirmity. I would say there's stuff in life that's much worse than no longer existing.. like being in a lot of pain but not being able to do anything about it. Death is preferable to a lot of things out there. Whether it's preferable overall, considering my state now, no.
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 it's not about just doing adn experiencing but also learning about life ie science - anything you enjoy. if there was nothing worth learning about anymore then yeah no point living. also as for infirmity if we can find an immortality drug i'm sure we can solve issues to do with infirmity. also even in alot of pain death is never better OVERALL, because pain does go away. pain is just an emotion evolution has given us.
maxgunn555 9 months ago
@maxgunn555 Avoiding pain isn't always a matter of managing physical sensations, though. We feel pain at the loss of what we hold dear, our possessions and loved ones and so on. You seem to be substituting faith in an afterlife with faith in pharmacology as a way to get around the problem of death.
magritte128 9 months ago
@magritte128 i meant pain in those respects too but given an indefinate period of time pain goes away. maybe it's evolution who knows but pain is an emotion given to us for our benefit and does go away. you said it yourself death is a problem so why not make it go away. i dont like your idea of subsitituting faith in pharmocology, theres no such thing as faith in science - hope would be the right word. they already have immortal jellyfish and mice. we prolong life now anyway, why ont go further.
maxgunn555 9 months ago
So giving in to the impressions of external things, means that we have made the choice to give our emotions, our calmness our very mind in a sense to someone or thing. Stoicism all comes down to exercising choice, or Prohairesis.
ThelastPantheist 1 year ago
I like the philosophy for it's detachment, and how everything we perceive is because we perceive it that way. But I don't agree with the whole "Everything happens for a reason", or that God should have any part of it.
OvObscure 1 year ago
Best video in this category on Youtube I've found so far!
MarkLydon1 1 year ago
if only there were more of these and less of pointless comedians making jokes that ceases to amuse
Bigheadet 1 year ago
@Bigheadet But surely the "pointless" comedians making jokes should not matter, because they are indifferent . Although I sympathise with you statement "pointless" I must point out that everything must have a point, if it did not have a point it would not exist. That may well be their point, but you yourself have the choice on how you respond to that... that is Prohairesis.
ThelastPantheist 1 year ago
@ThelastPantheist thank you so much for explaining. but would you mind further explaining why one thing cannot exist if it has no purpose? i dont get the logic here :D
Bigheadet 1 year ago
@Bigheadet
Well surely the basis for something to exist is purpose, if something has no purpose, it would have no reason, so the logic is that only things that have a purpose exist, even vicious things. for example, something could choose to exist, but to choose to exist would be its purpose. that is probably not a clear example, but I hope that helped?
ThelastPantheist 1 year ago
i can't help to make links between Budhism and Stoicism with notions like self control and detachment. Great synthesis.
BDeiste 1 year ago 7
@BDeiste But the Buddhist differ with the Stoics in their idea of good and evil a bit. They tend to be more in line with the school of Epicurus that pleasure is good and pain bad. The elimination of pain to remain in a state of pleasure is what the religion's ethics are modeled around.
Sloth7d 10 months ago
i just wanted to say this is a FANTASTIC presentation. very good job! ^_^ much love. <3, hot rolla
hotdogsurprise 1 year ago
I've recently found out this school of thought. Surprisingly to me, it's exactly what I believe and how I live my life. Finally I found a name for it, and perhaps some brethren.
nn11x3 1 year ago
Tidzski, will you marry me?
gt500cowboy 1 year ago
... identified by the objective use of raisin.
andersv20 1 year ago
Good job. Good video.
graciegjj 1 year ago
Fantastic job!
globalreaction 1 year ago
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DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
thx for this great video. well done.
crrrlol 1 year ago
eye opening...thank you
spellbound61 1 year ago
Very nicely done. I'm going to show it to my philosophy students. Good video production, better than just a talking head. Thank you!
kokolanza 1 year ago
ey you videoremixer .. i think this lady got you inspired ;-) hmm good work.
gpalegeo 1 year ago
I use your beautifully video for an article "The alleged usefulness of Stoic philosophy for life today + Stoic Philosophy against Anger" on my website makeAhistory.c o m . .........Hope it's OK with you.....
nmfscd 1 year ago
@nmfscd Of course :)
tidzski 3 months ago
stoicism is true Christianity minus the power of the cross of Jesus. See Derek Prince's youtube video 'An interview with Derek Prince'
BrookHornblower 1 year ago
Well done!
YRivera1 1 year ago
4:13
Best four words ever spoken
KaslarProductions 1 year ago
I must say "christian stoics" seem to be in direct opposition to the more traditional stoicism that is more pantheistic in nature. I must say this contradiction within "christian stoics" seems to take away from the whole stoic philosophy of causality and an almost deterministic outlook on life and philosophy.
snofthndr 1 year ago
@snofthndr I agree, I don't understand how it could still be stoicism as it has changed so much due to Christianity... yet again.
ThelastPantheist 1 year ago
Great Video!
XzavierKnives 1 year ago
:) nice intro, gives me a good starting point to find out more.
thanks!
HereticalDesigns 1 year ago
I'm in love!
tranquil87 1 year ago 7
There's somehting I don't get. Why this idea of CONTROL by logos? Is it so hard to imagine that fate or events are just random?
What in our world points to this "control" ? I honestly can't seem to detect it no matter how hard I try. Things happen. There's no discernable pattern if we are being honest with ourselves. I just can't figure that part out
lovecraft4780 1 year ago
smashing!!! I'm going to watch this about four or five more times. Well done!
lovecraft4780 1 year ago
being stoic looks hard! i guess i get it, but it doesn't sound fun. 0-0
THEBIGIDEA94 1 year ago
@THEBIGIDEA94 thats is the point, it takes self discipline.
ThelastPantheist 1 year ago
Great video, concise, lots of movement, keeps us interested.
Acs2047 1 year ago
Awesome awesome awesome!
jimbopetrella 1 year ago
Very nice work...;)
Wolebor 1 year ago
Holy crap! You did a VERY good job!
Thank you for representing stoics so well!
ImpossibleGreen 1 year ago
Wow. I was a stoic and didn't even know it. I had no idea there was a name for that! lol
ThePOPOVICI 1 year ago
Beautiful and intelligent. The video's good as well.
ivanmikhailov 1 year ago
very cool video but how can you leave out Seneca????
pipcork 1 year ago
I really like stoicism, just not the pantheistic part of it. I think it is possible to mix it with Christianity, which I try to to.
Psuedoreality 1 year ago
@tidzski
what part of aussie do you live in? ive got some friends and relatives over in sydney.
thechilledkiller 1 year ago
im an 18 year old whos been a stoic for about 2 years and i follow everything this says minus the part about fate. so a very good video. i had to incorporate epictitus' hardcore stoicism the other day when i broke my finger though during football practice- its actually enjoyable. being completely emotionless under an unhealthy amount of pain. and my god i cant get enough of your accent..
thechilledkiller 1 year ago
Excellent video. It is good to see such a young person so enlightened.
Kaulen777 1 year ago
This is such a great video, but I have a question, your background soundtrack sounds a little like Nine Inch Nails.
proadmin1 1 year ago
@proadmin1 Yeah it's nine inch nails, but had to mix it so it didn't have lyrics.
tidzski 3 months ago
Really good video. Congratulations.
rjpv 1 year ago
I dig it, well done!
StarlynnAndNinja 1 year ago
awesome
stuch11 1 year ago
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TurtleEnlightened 1 year ago
Awesome Vid - Dan just recommended it to our class for our presentations :)
redlightningwarlock 1 year ago
@redlightningwarlock Hey thanks heaps! I'm surprised Dan showed it haha
tidzski 3 months ago
good music and one hot aussie now she should read histry 4 aliving
slut4uall 1 year ago
Great video,,,, very well done.
zenbeginner 1 year ago
Great video!.
SuperHiDef99 1 year ago
up to the point and informative , have any plans to upload some art history stuff ????
subashthebe 1 year ago
Great
nightflight83 2 years ago
The music is somewhat Incongruous and hampers the viewers concentration towards your exegesis.
Lytton333 2 years ago
Actually I don't mind it - but I can't place it - it sounds a little bit like Nine Inch Nails, which itself is not entirely unfitting.
proadmin1 1 year ago
@Lytton333 I enjoyed the music
pipcork 1 year ago
tidzski, have a look at Parmenides. It is very much the case that Zeno was a student and defender of Parmenides ideas.
It may illuminate the concept of stoicism for you, but also one can then find other threads into Socrates and Spinoza..
marsCubed 2 years ago
I discover that I have confused Zenos.
I meant Zeno of Elea. I believe the Zeno you refer to in your video, the Zeno of stoicism is Zeno of Citium.
marsCubed 2 years ago
6:58 u say one law
that law is called the law of the echo
once you get rid of all emotional feelins u cn they accend off the physical plain to the astro
tallicaunforgiven123 2 years ago
I am very impressed with your video clip. I have only started to discover Stoicism and had recently read the Meditations. Your clip was on point and very informative. As a young woman you have brilliant talents of presentation and editing.
Well Done
TheAremo 2 years ago
beautiful... and the film is good too. :)
combatleague 2 years ago
Very good I have to say!
trippex 2 years ago
Gotta be honest, this is pretty impressive! I really like it! Whats the music by the way?
brianschest 2 years ago
@brianschest It's nine inch nails, but had to mix it so it didn't have lyrics.
tidzski 3 months ago
Great!!!! Historically correct!!!!
isedarah 2 years ago
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Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE
qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
that was awesome. cheers so much
gezkah 2 years ago
very helpful I'm studying for a test on stoicism vs epicurianism in ethical life, and this has really helped, thankyou!!
cuervocorazon 2 years ago
Its awesome and i believe that u got HD on this...
I m taking this subject (History of Western Thought) at bond university
hope that i can make it as far as u did in that :)
sydehor 2 years ago
Thanks! your presentation is very helpful to me. I am Currently reading: "Harvard Classics, Vol. 2, Part 2, The Golden Sayings of Epictetus." An A+ and an Awesome rating for you!
charliepc56 2 years ago
Very good job; more informative than some professional videos.
I might add that practicing stoicism has changed my life for the better.
Iconoclast444 2 years ago
awesome video
dan888888882001 2 years ago
even though stoicism was not only Zeno, Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius this was a nice approach of stoicism. well done kiddo
SweetToTasteIt 2 years ago
well done!
tuftthewhale 2 years ago
I disagree with the belief that all pleasure leads to pain, because that is a generalization of pleasure, I believe that what pleasure can be had should be taken, but with analization of the consequences in the future, I see that what you see as pain is contradicted by your personality, but at the same time i understand that the objective is to control what you see as pain, I believe that it pain should run its course without control. I understand the loss of pain as an act of "not caring". -KB
terrantry 2 years ago
I see pain and pleasure as 'Om'.
--and I'm not shunning out everything else that you said, just Dissecting it.
terrantry 2 years ago
I have considered this vis a vis the emphasis on dukkha (unsatisfactoriness) in Buddhism.
I think that natural selection has given us an inbuilt positivity which QED not only balances but outweighs the (sometimes evolutionarily useful, such as doubt etc) negativity we experience.
Any overemhasis on pleasure seems somewhat doomed, but a healthy and balanced enjoyment of it seems to me the key. John
cheeryble 2 years ago
Completely agree, Pleasure is pain without pain, hence- "You never know what you have till its gone"
But in the stoic sence, Pain is pleasure without pleasure!
"You never know what your missing till you have it"
-its the basic sence that it came across to me as.
A ballance between pleasure and pain is risky, due to pain. People are always afraid of pain, some more than others, but stoics (Forgive me if I'm mistaken) Seek to avoid pain by charging pain, -somewhat of a cowardly measure I think.
terrantry 2 years ago
For someone who started watching this video with little knowledge of stoicism, the video provided a clear and concise explanation.
ColoradoSon19 2 years ago 16
It's a beautiful philosophy.
Malachi7777777777 1 year ago
@ColoradoSon19 That's a great comliment! Thanks so much :)
tidzski 3 months ago
sweet!
radicalcam 2 years ago
Very well done!
I was enamoured with stoicism ever since encountering Epictetus' Enchiridon my first week in college in my introduction to philosophy class.
Marcus Aurelius' writings have kept me composed even through the death of loved ones.
Kallistos1 2 years ago
This was nicely packaged. Good job ... I hope to find more videos in relation to these topics from you.
Weedlab11 2 years ago
great video. how did u do your transitions? the blur and color wash were cool effects. i got adobe premiere and after effects.
kajmobile 2 years ago
I am learning to become a stoic. Epictetus is my favorite philosopher.
ceb2008love 2 years ago
Nice editing job.
Stoicism is similar to several main theologies, but it and they are not without their flaws. We don't exist in a vacuum, and aren't meant to. And no matter how at one with things a man may be, there are still many others who stumble in the way in their own idless search for peace,
MurrowSon 2 years ago
well done!!!!!
232323C 2 years ago
A very good video. I've learnt about the Marxist philosophy and Platonic thinking... but this has helped with what i know about Stoicism!
Thank you very much indeed!
mastermaddison 2 years ago
Excellent vid!
harmesh2006 2 years ago
Keep Stoicism Alive. It Is A Philosophy That People Can Use! Good Job!
TheAustralianPhoenix 2 years ago 11
@TheAustralianPhoenix The british are good at it. When London was bombed, the british were handing tea out. The next day they got back on the Buses and trains and then complained how they were late.
ccclllsport 1 year ago
Great video. It hits the essence of what I see as the main appeal of Stoicism: self control as the path to freedom and peace of mind. Well done.
3mpir369 2 years ago 2
5/5 stars and added to favorites. thanks for a great introduction :)
Isaachelric 2 years ago
Wow! This is an awesome video, an awesome presentation and an awesome philosophy! Thank you!
Willhelm007 2 years ago
very good.
mandochiko 2 years ago
wonderful...
aspeculativefiction 2 years ago
This is awesome!! Thank you!
Aislan4414 2 years ago
That was great, and you are hot!
I'm writing a paper on stoicism right now that's a great explanation.
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