Who Was Jesus - Qureshi vs. Qureshi - 05 - Crossfire and Conclusions

[NESthebest83]

Nabeel i love your words

[rickru1]

Farhan Qureshi tried but failed, i think he has begun his doubts on the koran

[MuslimPerspective786]

In conclusion both did a good job, but everybody's view in this debate has to be bias, so don't say you aren't. Now I think Farhan did a good job at most of what he did

[aiibhagtanwala]

My question to my Muslim brothers is .... What God cannot do! Muslim says nothing is impossible for God because He is almighty Allah .... then my question is for Allah it is difficult to become man. ... ? whats is your answer.....? If you believe Allah....... believe He can do any thing which you think is impossible. For your information God became man in to talk to redeem to save to help to redeem. If you don't believe then it means you don't believe Allah Subhana wa tallah

[ritamalik]

Doesn't Farhan think that if the Quranic view of Jesus was true we should have found SOME historical evidence pointing to it? If the early Christians thought Jesus to be only a man then there should have been some first century writings, some sects, some secular historical evidence, something of that nature left behind. Paul could not have singlehandedly erased every shred of evidence to it. he had no such power! But the more historians look the less they find any such evidence!

[mawa89g]

@ritamalik

That debate isn't up to date for Farhan's views, he left Islam.

[ritamalik]

@mawa89g REALLY!!!!??? Praise God!!! Is he a Christian now or did he become an atheist? I hope he has accepted Jesus Christ and become saved, but even if not yet I think if a person has enough integrity to realize the fallacies of his own arguments and is so honest to reject them sooner or later will come to The Truth which is none other than Jesus Christ. So please let me know what is the state of his beliefs now. Thank you very much mawa89g

[mawa89g]

@ritamalik

You're welcome - that's pretty much the same reaction I had when I read of it ;-) As far as I know, he sadly didn't become a Christian but is an agnostic right now (his reasons for leaving Islam are "inner-Islamic).

I'll PM you the link for his declaration of leaving Islam, it's very interesting to read.

[ritamalik]

@mawa89g Thanks for the links! I read them and I am still very happy and hopeful for him! It is only a matter of time for him!  Because shedding the shackle of Islam is already half the battle and a great improvement! He is a good guy! May God bless him!

[MayIPleaseAsk]

am I correct then in stating that according to farhan ALL islamics DONT CARE a jot for "TRUTH" --- they simply follow their quran BLINDLY?

That in fact they are FORBIDDEN to QUESTION the veracity of the book "according to mudhamman"????

How sad it that ;0(

Kat >^.^<

[mawa89g]

@MayIPleaseAsk

Well, if you don't follow the Quran "blindly", you simply are no Muslim imo. That the Quran is the literal, eternal, perfect word of Allah is one of the most important beliefs in Islam.

I read what Farhan Qureshi, the Muslim apologist here, wrote about his reasons for leaving Islam; he wrote that one of his main reasons for his apostasy was that he realized that according to Islamic law, he would have to be killed for thinking "outside" the Quran/doubting Islam.

[trueguynolies]

As Arnold Swartzneggar would say: "Fuck you asshole!"lol Get a life you little mouse! lol

[trueguynolies]

Suleman..ur not welcomed in my country..go back 2 Pakistani land!lol You prick!

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies its nice to see ppl don't even know which country i belong to and wanting me to send to pakistan! hahahahahahahaha

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies and dont tell us that ur name is a PRICK, we r not interested to know ur name or the name of ur whole family! stick to the topic and see how farhan is destroyed in this debate!

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

listen you little piece of shit...I don't believe a man to be a God...your beliefs are fucked up not mine.. a man who eat and went to the toilet..whose penis was chopped off when he was 8 days old...that's your God????? Get a life and get real, asshole!lol

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies really shows how much respect u show to Jesus Christ, may Jesus forgive u for this blasphemy!

Now im asking u for the last time, u better keep ur muzzle shut before i start to show u wot kinda man muhammed was whom u follow u LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT! again ur telling ur name to us!

and i just want to tell all the readers here, that as per islam, Jesus was a prophet, and since u cannot respect Him, u r not a muslim, u r nothing but a kaffir!

go and study islam before u come here!!!!

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

Actually, it's YOU Christians who say jesus was circumcised on the 8th day (According 2 YOUR Bible- see Luke 2:21) YOU say YOUR LORD"S penis was chopped off NOT us! If you think that's blasphemy then it looks like YOU are doing it because this is what YOU believe. And MY Jesus (pbuh) was a messenger from God, a respected human being who was NOT God or the Son of God but was a servant to God..what u call Jesus and what I call Jesus (pbuh) r 2 different ppl! Ur beliefs r twisted man!

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies Luke 2:21 says:

And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

Now where does it say wot u said that His P**** was chopped off!

i will put it simply to u! since u r a muslim and r cannot b a muslim unless u r circumcised! so does it means u have penis chopped off?? if so, if u have children after marriage, who will b their father? can u reply please?????

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

Well he had his penis fiddled with didn't he?lol Someone playing with your God's penis!lol How ridiculous! See what i mean when I say 2 you your beliefs twisted? Wake up

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies see, again ur running from ur own statement which u made earlier,

u said the p**** of MY JESUS WAS CHOPPED OFF BECAUSE HE WAS CIRCUMCISED.

now that i use ur own statement to destroy u, ur running away from it, still, my question remains the same

SINCE U R A MUSLIM AND U R CIRCUMCISED, APPLYING UR OWN CRITERIA, IF MARRIAGE CAN'T U HAVE CHILDREN AS UR PENIS IS CHOPPED OFF?????

AND IF U HAVE CHILDREN, THEN WHO IS THEIR FATHER???? ALLAH????? MUHAMMED???? WHO????

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies and this again shows ur stupidity and lack of understanding of Trinity! and i don't blame u for that! u need to understand that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God at the same time just like u r a 100% human cuz of human body and 100% possess a spirit in u!

my beliefs r not twisted, its u who is being ignorant and beleiving a book which came 600 years after Jesus and the author of that book doesn't have a single clue about Jesus Christ!!!!

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies oh, now u told us another name of urself and ur family, ASSHOLE! interesting!!!!!

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies but still, for the sake of argument, lets say wot u have been saying of Jesus, and i told u before, don't force me to say wrong things bout ur prophet but u compelled me too!

i will only mention a single thing, others will follow later

I follow a MAN who ate and who went to toilet, YET He led a sinless life and u follow a man who married a SIX YEAR old girl and FUCKED her when she was NINE!

now see whose beliefs r twisted, u guys r just stupid and insane!!!!

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

See this video on Youtube to answer your stupid assertion: Prophet Muhammad Aisha 1/3 Islamic Marriage Slander Destroyed ...hahaha your stupid claims destroyed in that video..See what I mean, you make yourself out to be a dick, quite simply!! lol lol

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies i don't need to listen to modern day muslims trying to twist their own history to prove aisha was not 6 at the time of marriage and not 9 at the time when ur prophet fucked her.

see:

Bukhari, Book of Qualities of the Ansar, chapter: ‘The Holy Prophet’s marriage with Aisha, and his coming to Madina and the consummation of marriage with her’. For Muhsin Khan’s translation, see this link and go down to reports listed as Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 and 236.

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies “It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.

see urself whose beleifs r twisted now u DICK!! hahahaha!

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies it really amazes me how muslims try desperately to prove the point which cannot b proved and ignore all of their OWN resources, it sure does make ur religion a falsehood and twisted tale of arabia!

i pity u my friend! i really pity u!

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies still if ur stupid mind is not able to understand the filthiness of ur own religion and sources, do tell me so that i can give u more references from ur OWN FUCKED UP sources to shut ur muzzle!

and next time, give me references from the historic sources, not some modern dumb ass muslim trying desperately to prove something!

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

It lucks like your really angry..don't cry like a little stupid girl!lol You obviously didn't watch the videos kos you know Islam is the truth! lol It's hard for you to face the truth! It's ok, no need to cry little baby!lol lmao hahaha little arse wipe!lol

[sulmanjohnk]

Excellent work Dr. Nabil!!!!!! u blew farhan away!!!!!! if farhan is a man, he will give up debating!

[SUSTAIN22]

ya whateva whoever believes this Ahmadiya turned Christian because of his silly dream is clueless.

[sulmanjohnk]

@SUSTAIN22 just listen to the debate and see the evidence and then believe, don't believe Dr. Nabil!

[taoistwarrior]

I hope that guy defending the Quran gave his life to Jesus after being revealed this truth thru the Christian Debater. Jesus is the Word. Is not God's Word Eternal? Is not his Word authority? So why is it hard to believe that the Word (who is Jesus) of God said the Only way to the Father is thru me. Jesus is the very manifestation of what was in God's heart intended for man so that whoever believes in him(Jesus aka the word) may be saved. you must believe (have faith)in God's word to be saved!

[romanwarfist9182]

I think this was the best vidoe I have ever seen on youtube EVER!!!!!!!! may the Lord bless you all

[megawolf7]

Farhan is going to hell. :(

[sulmanjohnk]

@megawolf7 he already went to hell in this debate!

[limersbey]

Nabeel is an excellent debater.

[fatimanazeer]

The Bible is a reliable historical document? Youtube " Misquoting Jesus".

[harunyahyadotorg]

nabeel where does in quran does it say the disciples will have the upper hand over the disbelievers ??/ where?

[spicenut]

O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: as said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah? Said the Disciples, We are Allah's helpers! then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, AND THEY BECAME THE ONES THAT PREVAILED. S. 61:14

[muntasa]

May God bless you Nabeel. well done.

[trueguynolies]

Nabeel avoided the question. He didn't address what he meant by inspired kos Farhan was saying the Bible was man's views (they saw fit) whilst the Quran is direct revelation! Well done Farhan! Peace

[spicenut]

Mohammad did not receive direct revelation from Allah. The revelation came through "Jibreel", a jinn that choked him 3 times for not being able to read.

[trueguynolies]

Apparently it's in your Bible that God will put his words into the prophets mouth and he will be told "Recite" 3 times- word for word what happened to Muhammad (pbuh). Peace

[spicenut]

Can you please tell me which verse in the bible tells you that? Can you also please tell me why the hadiths translate Iqra as read? Can you also tell me which Jibreel had to choke Mohammad?

[trueguynolies]

According to King James Bible it's in Isiah chap 29 verse 12: "12: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. " Secondly, Iqra means Recite, Repeat, Read, it can mean all 3 depending on the context at which you say it. Peace

[spicenut]

Point 1: Isa 29:12 Does not say recite, it says read, and only once, not three times.

Point 2: Isa 29:13 says "3 The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men"

Are you sure you still want to apply this to Mohammad?

Point 3: Allah curses anyone who annoys his prophet (surah 33:57)

Point 4: Thus Mohammad received revelation from a cursed spirit.

[trueguynolies]

Point taken spicynut, I agree with you it doesn't refer to Muhammad! However that doesn't really mean anything kos my main point still stands: Bible was man's views (they saw fit to write) whilst the Quran is direct revelation!

Point 3: You shouldn't annoy the prophet then! Point 4: I don't see your point? Allah is cursing those that annoy the prophet, how does that fit with point 4? Moreover there are a number of incidents in which incest is described yet it is not condemned in the Bible.

[spicenut]

Direct revelation? Certainly it was not direct revelation. Mohammad received his revelation 2nd hand in dreams, albeit while under the blankets of Aisha (Sahih Bukhari Volume 5 Book 57 number 119)

You don't understand point three? You might like to take a read of Bukhari Vol 1, book1 number 3, and volume 9, book 87 number 111, which shows that the spirit told Mohammad to read 3 times when Mohammad said he couldn't read and thus began choking him. Mohammad thought he was possessed.

[trueguynolies]

Point 1: Muhammad (pbuh) received revelation at all times- mainly direct! You haven't answered that point. To say he received revelation through dreams is one small aspect of the nature of revelation, only one of the many forms he received it in- it's absolutely fine. Did not revelation come to other prophets in the Bible?

Point 2: The angel held Muhammad (pbuh) tightly and commanded him to recite- you try making fun of that then that's your silly interpretations. What about INCEST in your Bible

[spicenut]

Mohammad did not receive direct revelation it came through the alleged angel jibreel. Furthermore, Jibreel annoyed mohammad by commanding him to read 3 times and choked him, according to surah 33:57, that would make Jibreel a cursed creature since anyone hwo annoys mohammad is cursed.

And what has incest got to do with Mohammad receiving the revelation? Why change over to a completely different topic.

[trueguynolies]

I've already answered this silly point of yours 3 months ago and you bring it up again. That's your interpretation, quite a silly one I might add. It's simple: Jibreel did not annoy Muhammad (pbuh) as Muhammad was shocked and had to be told again because of the state of shock he was in. Muhammad was an ordinary man and if something like this happened to him, it's ok to be shocked: quite natural! Muhammad (pbuh) was not expecting revelation but Allah chose him!

[spicenut]

I'm using the word annoy as a euphemism for what really took place. Jibreel asks Mohammad to read, Mohammad says he can't read, so Jibreel chokes him, then asks him to read AGAIN and chokes him AGAIN- in fact this happens THREE times. If a teacher did this to a student they'd be fired. According to Ibn Ishaq, Mohammad thought he was going to die. Why the violence ? Why didn't he know Mohammad is illiterate?

[trueguynolies]

Are you a kid?...How many times do I have to tell you, Muhammad (pbuh) was shocked he saw an Angel...It's not every day you see something like this!!! Why didn't Jibreel hold him tight the second time? Because Muhammad (pbuh) could expect to see an Angel..it's less shocking the second, third time etc so that explains everything!!! Peace

[hannahr77]

@trueguynolies

muhammad never saw Gabriel what he saw was this a demon that's why he where shaking, and why would Gabriel tell muhammad to read didn't ill-allah know that muhammad couldn't read and beside it was a dream muhammad had read the quran my dear lost friend, he thought that the being he saw in his dream would kill he even tried to commit suicide, Kadijah had to comfort him by undressing herself and thus assure him that whatever he saw was from ill-allah the moon god of the kaaba

[trueguynolies]

@hannahr77

You go fuck your wall! lol I heard someone was rubbing there penis on the wall they got so excited!lol 

[hannahr77]

@trueguynolies

Is this how you defend your faith by using foul language no wonder the islamic world is a mess and you ppl migrate en-mass to the west

[trueguynolies]

@hannahr77

You shut the fuck up bitch! Come here like a smelly jew insulting my God and have the cheek to say i'm the one swearing.. never mind it's not your fault...your a jew!

[sulmanjohnk]

@hannahr77 this is all muslims can do when they r left no where!!! hahahahahahahahaha!

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies y dnt u go and do the same thing to the black stone????

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

Why don't you shuv that cross up your arse!lol You Pakistanis like it from behind anyway so what does it matter if a bleeding man on a cross goes up your arse!lol 

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies who told u that im pakistani?

y dnt we take that same cross and shove it up ur ass????? it will inflict some sense in ur stupid mind!

stop using foul language if u don't have some decent claims!

cuz we can come up with more foul language and those will b a real pain in ur stinking ass!

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

suck dick! lol

[sulmanjohnk]

@trueguynolies we dont wana do wot u and wot ur famile does all the time, so shut ur muzzle up! retard!

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

Prick! lol

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

Suleman..go back 2 pakistani country!lol You prick!

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

Suleman..go back 2 pakistani country!lol You prick!

[trueguynolies]

@sulmanjohnk

Go back 2 pakistani..lol you stupid prick!

[sulmanjohnk]

@hannahr77 i love ur facts of history! keep up ur good work!

[fatimanazeer]

lol...another Christian cutter and paster with no knowledge in the science of hadith, Islamic history or Arabic. Typical.

[spicenut]

It's always easier to attack a person rather than interact with their points. Try doing your homework and then come back to me.