Rafe Mair on Alex Morton's Historic Walk for Wild Salmon

[fleetyabas]

@ cromiess Morton hasn't been quiet at all. Take your head out of your ass and try to keep up.

[CommonSenseCanadian]

Why don't you ask her? this video page belongs to The Common Sense Canadian.

[cromiess]

Alexandra.....you have been so quiet lately. Why?

[nuffzed]

To be accurate in my previous post I should have said, "...predictable LAME response...

[nuffzed]

DFO announces it will hire and train more fisheries officers to inspect fish farms.

The predictable response from fish farm operations: We welcome having more inspections it will be good for our industry.

[nuffzed]

What do you get when you Google - sea lice memos released-?

Another eye opener about salmon farmers trying to stop the public from knowing the truth about their contaminated fish.

[carcultured]

thanks to all the supporters of wild salmon

and to Mr. Mair and filmaker

[PlugOutTuneIn]

Agreed- and environmental policy needs to be created that acknowledges the value of our natural resources in this province.

[darkisland]

Check out BC fisheries regulations and re-post.

BC has some of the strictest environmental policies in the country.

[CommonSenseCanadian]

Bollocks, you industry hack. Enough of this garbage. I've been all around the world following this industry and it's the same tired rhetoric over and over. Meanwhile, as Ransom & Myers showed in their seminal paper, everywhere salmon farming exists we see a major decline in wild stocks. You're time is up. Move to a more sustainable method of on-land farming or go the way of the dinosaur. I make no apologies for my lack of diplomacy. Saving our wild salmon is far too important a task.

[schmarly2007]

@CommonSenseCanadian Love it. When you're out of smart things to say, you resort to "industry hack". Rafe, your time is up - and given your age and blood pressure, I mean that, literally.

[CommonSenseCanadian]

I call it like it is schmarly. You figure that resorting to ageism is a good way to make your point?

[Saltwaterfarmer]

@CommonSenseCanadian I thought it was funny. You can dish it, but can't take it?

[Saltwaterfarmer]

@CommonSenseCanadian I thought that was funny. You can dish it out.

You don't like to hear the other side of the story???

Doesn't seem very cool to badmouth something you know very little about without getting all sides.

[CommonSenseCanadian]

@Saltwaterfarmer Watch my documentary Farmed Salmon Exposed - google it. It's the most comprehensive look at the global salmon farming industry available and includes comments from the world's top scientists on the subject, as well as the CEO's and charimen of the biggest companies in your industry - Marine Harvest and Cermaq. I understand you're defending your livelihood, but that doesn't give you the right to destroy the livelihoods of many others, nor to destroy our precious environment.

[Saltwaterfarmer]

@CommonSenseCanadian I would agree with you if I hadn't seen first hand how this industry thrives to change and better it's practices continuously.

Fish farmers get this rap about how they destroy and corrupt. I would believe it If I hadn't known so many environmentally aware farmers on an individual basis.

If people worked with us instead of against us a fine balance could be found. Instead, people just blindly throw stones at something they don't understand.

[Saltwaterfarmer]

@CommonSenseCanadian Thats not true.

[nuffzed]

@darkisland Sure, strict enough to witness the demise of wild salmon stocks.

[spiztfire]

@nuffzed There are many things out there that create the demise of wild stocks. People blame farms, but thats because they don't know the facts.

Forestry by salmon bearing streams, decades of over fishing, pollution, rising water levels... I'm not saying farming does or doesn't play a part, I just find it pathetic that people don't take time to get educated before they attack people livelihood.

[geneappeal]

@spiztfire@spiztfire @spiztfire YOU claim to be educated do you? Yes let's all blame the commercial fishers again. How can there be overfishing when there hasn't been a commercial industry for decades ... put out of business by cheap farmed salmon. What about THEIR livelihoods?

[Saltwaterfarmer]

@geneappeal BULLY! That makes no sense.

I didn't see spitz attacking anyones livelihood. She simply stated that farming salmon isn't the only questionable practice and that it's WRONG to attack someone when you don't know all the facts. YOU don't seem to know a whole lot for someone so quick to throw stones.

Geneappeal... same boring stuff. Blah blah blah.

[geneappeal]

@Saltwaterfarmer a HEM!

Industry hack!

[Saltwaterfarmer]

@geneappeal call me what you will, but I'm tired of seeing half wit puppets rant about my livlihood without knowing that facts.

[nuffzed]

@spiztfire Facts about salmon farming are coming to light fairly regularly and they're not pretty. Get the mess out of the ocean and into closed containment, and if some people are still willing to risk their health eating that crap then they are to be pitied.

[Saltwaterfarmer]

@nuffzed "facts" because it's on Google??? lol. Nice try.

It's farmed food. It's no worse then any other farmed food. Sea lice??? Its documented by BC gov' and fisheries... they PERSONALLY count and log sea lice on each farm. Check out THOSE stats rather then some jokers website on Google.

[nuffzed]

@Saltwaterfarmer Try Yahoo. Salmon farms should be in closed containment systems where they can't spread disease to wild salmon. Farmed salmon is far worse than other farmed food. Sea lice data collected by the BC government was kept confidential at the request of fish farms. You're only fooling yourself here y'know.

[Saltwaterfarmer]

@nuffzed actually, farmed salmon come from isolated disease free and bio secure hatcheries. When they enter the water they are free of sicknesses. Most of the disease farmed salmon may catch are indigenous to wild species. Take IHN for example... it is transfered to farmed salmon by sockeye.

Oh, you can get sea lice info month by month on the Marine Harvest Website. Cross reference it with the data the gov has... It's not confidential at all.

Your wrong. You are mislead.

[nuffzed]

@Saltwaterfarmer I would be mislead if I believed anything you say. There is no "may catch" when it comes to diseased farmed salmon that cannot survive without being medicated. So here's your chance to knock another search engine. Do a Yahoo search for SEA LICE RELEASE and go to the Vancouver Sun headline, MINISTRY MUST RELEASE SEA LICE RECORDS. Read about the sea lice data the fish farms didn't want published. Stop eating medicated farmed fish that obviously disrupts your ability to think.

[CommonSenseCanadian]

There is nothing sustainable about open net salmon farming. The goal of this movement is NOT to shut down aquaculture in BC or remove the few jobs that it provides relative to the wilderness tourism industry (whose 52,000 jobs depend on wild salmon); The goal is to transition to a more sustainable closed-containment based industry that doesn't impact wild salmon - while at the same time retaining aquaculture jobs for people like yourself. There's room for both if we do it right.

[darkisland]

By removing a sustainable industry in BC, you would only be damaging peoples livelihood. Salmon farms did not destroy salmon stocks, overfishing did.

Farming is how human beings survive on this planet. Farming salmon is no different.

People need to learn facts about sustainable aquaculture and how positive a role it plays not only in our community, but in the world.

[CommonSenseCanadian]

PS No one's claiming fish farms are the only culprit for our declining wild salmon stocks. You're right that over-fishing has played a significant historical role - as have other impacts like habitat destruction from logging, mining, dams, agriculture, and urban development. But if you think salmon farms aren't a significant part of the problem then it is you who has some homework to do. The Precautionary Principle demands we remove open net farms from the migratory pathways of our wild salmon.