Tea Party Confidential

[momof4kiddies]

great video.

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Mike Huckabee 2012. FairTax Now!

[LeeKwangEng]

what? Mike huckabee? yah right! go back to sleep... zzzzzz

What a joke you!

Do more research please...

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Think about it. He finished second in the primaries. He's the best debater of either republicans or democrats. Fox gave him his own weekly show and invites him as a political contributor for a reason... exposure. Plus, he has the support of the FairTax movement. He's our next president. Now do your research.

[fiusux12]

the fact that he's on fox tv disqualifies him from any legitimate office. No integrity, no truth, severely limited thought processes. Oh, and he's religious nutjob. Haven't we had enough of that?

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The fact that the number one news channel in America (by a mile) has him on is actually very good. He's getting very good exposure to the public. He's very well liked. There are only a hand full of anti-religious whacks that don't like him. He's the only candidate that has stood by his ideals since day one without flipping and flopping. And if any candidate tells the truth, Mike Huckabee does. He has literally tons of integrity compared to the economic imbecile that we have now.

[fiusux12]

Where are you getting this data from? #1 in America? Who says? You? Typical "fair and balanced" reporting. When you have to tell people you're #1 then you probably aren't. Personally I like the guy, but I don't want someone who believes they talk to god running this country AGAIN!

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I get my data from Nielsen and tvbythenumbers*com. If you think that ANY candidate could run and win without God in his platform, you're more naive than you come across. Osama hasn't been to church in Washington yet, but he used religion and his belief in God as part of his platform. Remember? He fought like hell trying to convince the country that he was Christian and not Muslim. 90% of America support some form of formal religion. Evangelical Christians are the largest.

[fiusux12]

I could go on and on, but the truth is that fox hires nutjobs to spout ingnorant rants without supporting data. If you really get all your news from one source you're in trouble.

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I actually watch less than an hour a day of TV and most of the time I watch documentary films and sometimes a movie. If I get any news from TV, I was raised to look beyond and do my homework. If you'll take 5 minutes to read independent polls, 53% of voters polled say that our next president in 2012 will be a republican. And that's as a direct result of Osama's economic and spending plans. I hope you continue to think that way though. Because when people think that way, they go to sleep.

[fiusux12]

There are plenty more than a handful of us anti-religious whacks and if you would look outside of your tv into the real world you would see that. Republicans are the party of no and they are being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. Bring back science, reason and logic and throw away the 2000 yr old nonsense.

[fiusux12]

How can anyone support any candidate that publicly declares he doesn't believe in evolution? Where's the separation of church and state?

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Maybe you can name just one candidate that believes openly in evolution? Just one? Try to run any candidate as an evolutionist, and he's dead before the first vote is cast.

[fiusux12]

Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, you know, people that actually DID SOMETHING to help the American People and not their corporate lobbyist pals? And we have an atheist in Congress. Its just a matter of time before the New Enlightenment shed the myths of the past. The reason the Reps lost is because of the evangelicals, so how do you feel about that? And I have not seen any info regarding 2012 success for the GOP. Sarah Palin will sink the party, AGAIN. Or maybe Romney? Its a joke.

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I'm glad you cleared that up. Now I know you're a whack-job. Ron Paul? Ralph Nader? Ha ha ha ha ha! Could Ron Paul or Ralph Nader be any more abysmal in any presidential race? ONE atheist in congress? Wooo Hooo! Now that's a majority! ROFLMAO!!!!

[fiusux12]

and look what evagelicals did for this country the last 8 yrs. Bush claimed he spoke tyo god daily and god told him to invade Iraq! That should be enough to put him in an insane asylum. So is god blessing the USA now?

[WMAAblink182]

obviously you don't understand what the separation of church and state means.

[dudemanbearpig]

I've been to three Tea Parties so far, and I'm looking forward to finding out about any more that are happening near me.

[brewersrule1978]

I think marching's good and all, but to enact real change in this, I think focus needs to be on 2010 primarily, then 2012. Getting candidates out in front ASAP that don't support big government and get them as much publicity as possible, be they Blue Dogs, True Conservatives, or Libertarians. McCain and Specter getting challengers is a good start.

[MooseOfReason]

I'm guessing they'll fix the title, since they have colon there, but nothing after it.

[littlebier8]

where was this shot? what hotel?

[Z14LDO]

=-)

[Raycheetah]

I am aghast at how everyone is claiming credit or laying blame for these gatherings, or trying to classify those in attendance as shills for one thing or another. It doesn't matter WHO organized them; most participants attended because they're MAD about what is happening to our nation (and, no, not JUST about taxes). To say that FOX or Koch or whoever is masterminding them is insulting to those for whom they were honest expressions of patriotic outrage. ='[.]'=

[libertyfizz]

I understand your point and agree a great many people who turned out were honestly outraged at the size and scope of government. And that their motives for being there were totally genuine.

But this doesn't mean turning a blind eye to the people who might attempt to co-opt the event. People who are just using this outrage to gain the trust of those honest people and use that trust to trick them into supporting candidates that will pander and not deliver.

[HossGuv]

"People who r just using this outrage to gain the trust of those honest people and use that trust to trick them into supporting candidates that will pander and not deliver."

U give Tea Partiers less credit than they deserve in owning their own decisions. Not sure if u saw YT videos of Tea Partiers booing Republicans that showed up to Tea Parties.

Individuals, organizers & FrdmWrks, what I've seen, have gone out of their way make sure Tea Parties r not political platforms for any politician

[libertyfizz]

Yes I did see those and was glad some people got it. But I also saw tea parties where those who spoke out against the Republican TARP got booded.

I am not saying it shouldn't be used for political gain cause it should. My point is for people to stay vigilantly opposed to NeoCon pandering. A little hard to get past the NeoCon cheer leading squad of OReily, Hannity and Malkin who promoted the Tea Parties and not get the impression there was an attempt to pull a fast one.

[Alvin691]

I believe our eyes are wide open now.

[truthsabre7]

I would not be to quick to have congressmen at these events. These guys were the people in power when all this poop hit the fan.

[airborne373]

FYI - The Tea Parties began in 2007 during the Ron Paul Campaign.

[Raycheetah]

Actually, they started on December 16, 1773.

It's not about claiming credit for any one group or constituency. It's about mobilizing America, across the board, and not everyone in America has followed Ron Paul's activism. People identify a "Tea Party" protest with the original rebellious colonists, and if that gets them moving, then that's all that matters. =^[.]^=

[airborne373]

Raycheetah - Fact is several groups that had NOTHING to do with the modern day Tea Parties are trying to claim credit.

Whether they followed Ron Paul or not the Tea Parties ARE a continuation of the Ron Paul rEVOLution.

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I think 550,000 was a conservative figure. The actual attendance was probably even higher than that. Not bad at all for a week day. If it had been held on a weekend or a holiday, attendance probably would have been unreal... through the roof.

[787Bisurdaddy]

I think the tea parties were a great idea, but sadly they were marginalized and misinterpreted both by some of the right-wing conservatives who attended (I'm only talking about SOME of them... I'm a market anarchist so I definitely fall under the label of "fiscal conservative") and outsiders, like the mainstream media.

It's almost hilarious how the MSM responded: first they tried to ignore them, and when they realized that wouldn't work, they turned to ridicule.

[freetoseektruth]

Obama and the newsmedia tried to belittle, demonize and slam the tea parties, but WHAT to you call Obamas response of cutting 100 million from the federal budget.

JUST A DROP in the BUCKET.

No stopping this NOW.

Ain't gonna work!

[stick1to2the3issue]

Stupid overly intrusive government policy created the mess. TARP was needed to stem the tide of bankruptcy which would have had disasterous dominoe effects. All subsequent keynesian spending was stupid and counter productive.

[kgbkid02]

END CAPITALISM, done and done.

[carrierexchange]

democracy sucks when you lose I guess

[freesk8]

Democracy has to be more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

When a democratic majority votes away the rights to life, liberty or property of any minority, then the majority loses it's moral justification. What is wrong for an individual to do, is also wrong for a mob, even if that mob is the majority.

The tyranny of the majority is worse than a tyranny by dictatorship. At least you can rebel against a dictator.

I defend gay rights as well as property rights.

[carrierexchange]

You are correct. However, it's very surprising to me that people want a revolution, now, after 8 years of tyranny.

[johnj2428]

People are frustrated because they expected things to change. Obama promised change, and used people's hopes to further his own ambitions. Obama should take responsibility for his manipulations and his contribution to the current disappointment in his failures to live up to the expectations which he created.

[freesk8]

Many of us at the tea party events have thought of it as tyranny for decades. Some trace it back to FDR, others as far back as Lincoln.

I think there was almost as much animosity directed towards Republicans as Democrats at these rallies. They know the Republicans did not act like fiscal conservatives.

I've been voting Libertarian for decades.

Free minds and free markets!

[bearhuntaa]

recent tea parties can be attributed to ron paul and his powerful decentralized grassroots

[carrierexchange]

The way I see it is if Obama fails, if he turns out to be a wolf in sheeps clothing, truly you need a revolution, a return to your constitutional laws.

[freesk8]

Obama appears to be attempting to nationalize huge sectors of the American economy, from financial to transportation to health care. He may say he is trying to help, but these actions will wind up hurting the poorest, so I hope he fails.

As you say, the question is, is Obama a sincere fool (believes his bad policies will actually help) or is he a cynical wolf (knows they will hurt most Americans, but thinks they will enhance his own power.)

In either case, I'm glad I voted Libertarian.

[javalily]

Hey Drew,you need to bitch slap some sense into Janeane Garafalo....

[johnycannuk]

0-12..now shilling for Glenn Beck?

How does anyone still think these guys are even remotely "grassroots"

Kochtopus!

[johnycannuk]

Nice to see that the Koch family astroturfers "Freedomworks" is admitting they are behind the supposed grassroots Tea Parties.

Pity when people's genuine anger gets coopted by Republican carpet baggers like Armey.

Many of my libertarian friends who attended were quite adamant that it was all about the Republicans.

Where was Freedomworks for the last 8 years?

[libertyfizz]

I question Freedomworks as well. Their website lists a whose who of NeoCons that expanded the size of government while they were at the helm.  Looks like they co-opted one of the most successful fundraisers for Ron Paul, the tea party. More likely an attempt to trick the real conservatives and Libertarians into supporting NeoCons. They want people to ignore the Neo Con's expansionist government of the past 8 years.

[jbrown27103]

What exactly is a Neo Con?

[libertyfizz]

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy, which has no problems with an expansionist government. Neoconservatism is a globalist, interventionist, open borders ideology. And they have a history of fraudulently presenting themselves as paleoconservatives to trick voters into supporting them. Once elected they drop any pretense of being for smaller government and vote for TARP or similar expansionist policies.

[HossGuv]

That's why Tea Parties is not a neocon movement. It's why Tea Partiers are fed up with many Republicans as they are with Democrats.

Fiscal conservatism, limited government, constitutional principles, more freedom by lessening burdens incurred by Washington - these are the things that people stood up for during the Tea Parties.

They were demanding those things from all parties and all political, philosophical groups.

[Alvin691]

Fortunately Tea parties are not Neocons

[burnhippiesforfuel]

dick armey has the coolest name.