Yes, it is a fact. A woman can only get pregnant when she ovulates. The problem is pinpointing those four days. Didn't you learn this stuff in high school? I never said the two were related. The two most common factors for ALL the people in poverty are failing the graduate high school and/or getting pregnant in high school. If you don't leave me, LOOK AROUND!
Saying "Gay to Straight counceling" is a vague statement. Nobody know exactly how they counsel them, and every councelor there has a PHD, or MD degree if you actually visit the site. The only people who go there are people who want to live the Homosexual lifestyle, no one is forced to go there. Will homosexuals support other gays who choose to reject their lifestyle? Or are they going to judge and ridicule them?
Always amazing how these "news" always come out when political elections become urgent. Gays and liberals love to smear on people, so they save these stories for these moments.
I just realized ( saw a docu) that also here in europe there's a new "Hate" growing. I thought that everyone must know at least one homosexual by now, and is aware that it is not a choice. It makes me very sad that people in this day and age are still homophopic. It is nobodys business, what two lovers do behind closed doors. If both want it what's to hate?
@CommonSenseJoe Closeted men exist. These are men who have fantasies and secret attraction for other men, however they have chosen to pretend that they are completely straight lest they be harassed by homophobes. Do you think they chose to live such a tortured life? Of course not, that's just stupid. Who on earth chooses to live a tortured life? It's kind like being born with a birth mark. You can choose to hide it, but it's just insane to say they CHOSE to have that birth mark.
@paramount8000 Lots of people choose to live tortured lives. The world is full of people who make poor choices and destroy their own lives. Do you think a child molester is less responsible for his or her actions because they have fantasies and secret attractions for children? It is NOT the same as being born with a birth mark. It is a behavior one choose to engage in which leads to very destructive consequences in their lives. High rate of suicide as an example.
@CommonSenseJoe actually the high rate of suicide is caused by the negative environment constantly imposed on an individual whether it's bullying, family remarks, or just loneliness. Also comparing pedofiles to homosexuality is already wrong, homosexuals engage in sexual activity with people of the same sex, not someone who is a minor.
Also, you can choose to not engage in some activity, but that doesn't mean you chose those desires in the first place, they will always be there...
@GamingTranceSeer Actually, that is NOT true. Even in countries where homosexuality is fully and openly accepted, the rate is still significantly higher. It is your logic, not mine. If one's innate sexual desire are not to be questioned, then you cannot judge the person's who is attracted to children. The pedophile would say you are the one with the problem and have constructed the concept of consent.
@CommonSenseJoe how could I construct the concept of consent? That's something that's recognized by pretty much anyone, an animal doesn't consent, a child isn't fully mature to "consent". Like I said before, the reason the rate is still higher is because of the negative stigma associated with homosexuality in general, there is most likely people who ridicule homosexuals even in the most prohomosexual neighborhoods like occasional religious protesters, or someone may get hate mail in emails,etc
@GamingTranceSeer Well, it was pretty much recognized that homosexuality was a perversion for quite a while as well. Who says they are not mature enough to consent? Some folks seem to think young people having sex is fine.
@GamingTranceSeer Lots of people get ridiculed and it does not lead them to suicide. The fact is that the behavior is indicative of a self-destructive lifestyle.
@CommonSenseJoe Part 1: I agree with you that an act can be chosen, but my point is that the initial desire is NOT chosen. How on earth can a desire be chosen. I never chose to desire chocolate, it just happens because my brain was born to desire sweets. However, I can choose to not eat it.
@CommonSenseJoe actually you never differentiated that so their reply was justified, here's your exact words "The world is full of people who make poor choices and destroy their own lives"
@CommonSenseJoe Part 2: Analogously, extreme homosexuality is based on a desire a few have. One may choose to ignore it and become closeted, alternatively one may choose to embrace it. Despite being able to choose the action, the desire itself was not chosen. Some have it more strongly than others and battle to ignore it.
@CommonSenseJoe A homosexual lifestyle is chosen, but homosexual desires are NOT based on choice. Will you at least agree with this? If not, then you're going against what you just said, which is "No one can judge....reality of another person's desire". Homosexuals have said that their desires weren't chosen. If you think they are lying, then you are contradicting your principle, and are judging the "reality" of their "desires".
@paramount8000 I agree that a person may not have control of what desires they feel, but I disagree that they cannot learn to change them or deal with them without acting on them. In addition, I cannot say whether they are lying or not. What I can say is that there are cases where men have lived for DECADES as heterosexuals. They have wives and children, and then suddenly decide they are gay. I think they would say ANYTHING to justify their behaviors.
@CommonSenseJoe Part 1. A homosexual can learn to deal with the desires, i.e. they can choose to not act upon them. They can certainly love their female partner, albeit non sexually. But you must understand that they must lie. That is the nature of closeted men. They must keep a straight face and lie constantly to their wife. It is torture. So do you not see at least some level of decency men of the homosexual lifestyle abide by? They are against lying.
@CommonSenseJoe Part 2. Having said that, I denounce homosexual men who choose a heterosexual lifestyle and have a family then abandon them. This is cruel and unforgivable, even among homosexual circles. Clearly, the choice of which lifestyle, has dire consequences for a homosexual. If he chooses a hetero life, he must commit wholeheartedly and ignore the anguish within. If he chooses a homosexual life, he risks losing contact with his parents and friends.
@paramount8000 How about we just accept the fact that homosexuality is a perverted, self-destructive way to live and stop trying to make into something normal and wholesome.
@CommonSenseJoe self destructive according to who? You and all your little christian friends? Just b/c you think something is wrong doesn't make it so. You live your life and let others live theirs. It really isn't that hard of a concept.
@sfm073 The facts: Higher rate of suicide, substance and physical abuse, health complications, diseases, etc. I don't care what you do in your own bedroom. Just leave marriage alone, and we would have no problem.
@CommonSenseJoe You do realize that all those stats have been linked to the discrimination of lGBT people? Does it not make sense that someone might harm themselves more often than others when they feel they aren't allowed to be themselves?
If you care about marriage so much then why weren't you protesting after Kim Kardashian got a divorce after 72 days? So you think its okay for the bible to say that a rape victim must marry the rapist?
@CommonSenseJoe Part 3. Now just imagine for a second the homosexual men who chose not to lie, because they find lying abhorrent. Imagine how they feel, as they decide not to lie, anti-gay protesters call them an abomination, attempting to destroy everyone's marriage (what a load of crap) and that they will burn in hell --for NOT LYING!!!!!
@paramount8000 It is not a question of lying and YOU know it. It is an issue of choice. If a man can become aroused enough to father children then they can honestly live as heterosexuals.
@CommonSenseJoe Part 4. Pedophilia and a homosexual lifestyles are incomparable because pedophilia harms the minor. It is a disgusting practice and the minor must be protected. Homosexuality on the other hand occurs between two consenting parties, where no one is harmed.
@paramount8000 Both are sexual preferences. If homosexuality is born into person and cannot be changed, then you MUST make the same argument of ALL sexual preferences. Tell me how is the minor harmed by sex with an older person but not by sex with another minor?
@scramasboy So why are the same people who are pushing for condoms for kids to have sex and say it is wrong to tell NOT to have sex are also pushing for gay marriage? The people who are attracted to kids would use the same argument you are using. Who decides "legal age"? Was not sodomy illegal?
@CommonSenseJoe Condoms are for birth control for all ages. It makes it so the people who DO have sex don't get pregnate prematurely when they can't handle a child or aren't willing to and also to prevent std's because that is an enormous problem and preaching abstinence is proven to not work. Legal age depends on general emotional and physical maturity in populations and brain functions. Sodomy is a general practice almost all sexually active people engage in. [anything other than vaginal sex]
@scramasboy Actually, abstinence works EVERY time it is tried. You cannot hand out condoms and then say you don't want them to use them. Like I said, this is your logic, not mind. If you argue sexual preference is born into us and cannot be changed, you must treat ALL sexual preferences under the law the same.
@CommonSenseJoe No. Abstinence is taught and what happens is the majority of the people taught to be abstinent do not stay abstinent and they do not know about or how to use contriceptive and they contract std's or become pregnate. That is a fact. It's a smarter idea to teach people how to protect themselves. And who says you must treat ALL sexual preferences the same? There is a major difference between two consenting adults and an adult with a minor. It's rediculous to believe otherwise.
@scramasboy Actually, the opposite is true. We DON"T tell the kids the FACTS about sex activity. We don't tell them, for example, that condoms FAIL nearly 20% of the time. We don't tell them that they are NOT ready to engage in sex unless they are ready to deal with the consequences. YOU think there is a difference, but the pedophile would argue that you are imposing YOUR morality on him or her.
@CommonSenseJoe I just took my courses in this exact subject and in fact we do tell what we can. There is a huge struggle in schools because of what people feel is proper to teach children and teenagers. The parents are at a crossroads of sorts and feel as you, that if we teach about proper protection meathods, are we actively encouraging these kids to have sex? Though which is the lesser of two evils here? I am not imposing any beliefs on the pedophile, rather societal beliefs about children.
@scramasboy I am not against teaching the truth to students in school. If a jet liner crashed 20% of the time, we would not call that "safe" travel. Yet, we hand out condoms and call it "safe" sex. We need to tell them that sexual activity at their age increases their risk for cancer, STD, and AIDS. We need to tell them that the TWO leading causes of poverty are underage pregnancy and failing to graduate high school. If we tell them the real facts, I am all for it.
@CommonSenseJoe I've used condoms and haven't become pregnant 20% of the time. I'd love to know why you believe underage pregnancy and the lack of a high school diploma are the the top two causes of poverty in America. I do agree these raise the risk, but my mother was married at 14, a grandmother by 30, and dropped out after 8th grade. She's not "poor" and neither are her 7 kids. Consider drug abuse, illnesses, a lack of full-time employment in the job pool, a lay-off, or plain old laziness.
@StefaneewithanF There are ALWAYS exceptions for every rule. These are facts. Condoms FAIL nearly 20% of the time in preventing pregnancy. Keep in mind that a woman can only get pregnant 4 days out of 28. Just think of what the percentage is for failure in protecting against STDs, which you can catch every single time. It is not my belief, but actual statistical fact that teenage pregnancy and dropping out of high school are the two leading indicators of poverty.
@CommonSenseJoe This is not a fact. If we were only able to get pregnant 4 days out of every 28, we wouldn't have teenage pregnancy. We would just not have sex those 4 days. I've never heard something so ridiculous. Give me some solid statistics from a reputable medical facility. Also, give evidence supporting your claim that teenage pregnancy and dropping out of high school are THE two leading indicators. I don't see any pregnant teenage boys dropping out.
@CommonSenseJoe hey btw sperm can stay in a woman uterus and travel up to the folobian tube extra 3days(3days is the average lifespan of sperm inside some have even 5days of recorded viability time) so you have to count in total atleast six days to that four days so that equals to ten days from 28th day cycle and people have different cycles. Some have 26 some 33 so that makes it even harder. And of course before and after you ovulate you are more likely to want to have sex..
@ItIsBadForU You still need an available egg regardless on how long sperm may or may not live. While there are variances, a woman must be ovulating in order for pregnancy to occur.
@CommonSenseJoe the condom rate of protection is actually 89%, and thats an overall statistic based condoms used and pregancies that occur despite usage. It doesnt mean that its 89% for every person. It can prevent 100% of the time for someone and it may never work for someone else... but on average it protects against pregnancy 89% of the time
@eddieisfiction Fine, let us consider your figure. Would fly on an airline where one out of every 10 flights crash? Remember, pregnancy can only occur part of the time. However STDS can be transfer 100% of the time. If a condom fails 1 in 10 for pregnancy, what kind of rate does it have for STDS?
@CommonSenseJoe its a general figure... and yes it does fail for STDs quite often... even less than 89% of the time, due to the fact that not all STDs have to transfer via semen. i.e. crabs, herpes, warts, etc.
although I dont see how thats relative to this video to be honest... Im a bit confused
@CommonSenseJoe also its not a 1 in 10 chance to get pregant, most of the issues that its an 11% failure rate is due to the fact that condoms arent used correctly.
also if women are using contraception, the chances of getting pregant decrease by a high amount. Condoms are not the best form of protection against pregancy, female birth control is. Having monogamous partners and testing prior to sexual activity reduces chances of disease to 0
@CommonSenseJoe and just so you know, if you properly know how to use a condom, the chances a getting a woman pregnant (not including women that are condom proof lol) are more closer to 1 in 100 than one in 10. Just remember, its a general statistic, and in all reality probably not even based in fact to begin with. Pretty hard to measure something thats so discreetly purchased and then used afterwards.
@StefaneewithanF and that 20% is when you don't know how to use them properly or you store them in your wallet or close to keys or other sharp objects...So thankfully there are day after pills... You have to educate young people how to use them and if you are drunk well...sometimes they are forgotten.. but 2% is the actual statistic if you use them right. Some young people just hadn't been taught about these things and it saddens me just abstinence.. like that works...
@ItIsBadForU Abstinence works every time it is tried. What you are neglecting to understand is that you are talking only pregnancy. I am talking STDs, Cancer, and other physical complication of sexual activity at an early age. BTW, failure is failure regardless of cause.
@CommonSenseJoe yeah but what I mean that teaching only abstinence protects only some teens(since teen agers hormones are running wild)so yes condoms are the way to go. And also add pills too then teens will be protected from both diseases and pregnancies.(pills also help with menstrual cramps and pain)
@CommonSenseJoe Part 1: Yes, the same argument can be made with all sexual preferences. But sexual preference when it comes to gender is what I'm talking about. Preference towards a minor has an element of exploitation and control on someone who doesn't know better. So pedophiles should go to jail. Sex between an older person and a minor is harmful due to obvious physical differences and the fact that the minor is too young to understand the implications.
@paramount8000 It is a distinction without a difference. Sexual preference IS sexual preference. Sex is really only sex when it is between a man and a woman. Everything is a perversion. Again, who decides who is too young? What age IS appropriate in your world?
@CommonSenseJoe Part 2: If however a minor has sex with a minor, they should not go to jail, instead they should be educated because they are likely just curious and exploratory.
@CommonSenseJoe A minor is not educated enough, nor are they mentally developed enough to know the implications. The older participant understands all the implications and are taking advantage of the minor's ignorance. It becomes statutory rape. Between minors, it is unlikely that either of them understands the implications and neither are taking advantage of the other because both are in a state of ignorance.
@CommonSenseJoe because someone who is very young cannot legally consent as their brains aren't developed enough to realize the ramifications of their actions of now or later on in life. [Biological psychology] There is a sense of beng taken advantage of as well.
@scramasboy Years ago, people got married at a far younger age than now. Who is to determine this age of consent? I know adults who fail to see the ramification of their actions.
@CommonSenseJoe It's a generalization. Past generations are extremely different than todays generation. That is obvious in todays world and that goes for all aspects of life, maturity included.
joe, have you ever been gay to determine that everyone is born straight? you one of those know-it-all experts now? LMAO. you and the rest of you know-it-alls are retards. you think you are experts at something you (supposedly) know nothing about. so everyone is born straight, huh? so why would a person suddenly want to be gay? to be ridiculed? i have NEVER had a wet dream about any females. are you saying its because i choose not to? that i can control my involuntary dreams?! LMAO
@windew Arguing as if orientation was a reality is not going to persuade me. Everyone is born biologically heterosexual. It is the way we are designed to reproduce. Why would someone what to be a child molester? I don't know, but I know they CHOOSE do to it. Because they get wet dreams about 5 year old boys, that makes it OK?
@CommonSenseJoe I am a licensed psychotherpist and every mental health organization condems this inane notion of reparative therapy. You are ignorant.
@pudgeuncle Then please site for me the in-depth, long term peer review study that led the APA to change it's position on homosexuality. Surely there must be some objective scientific evidence that proves someone is born with a specific unalterable sexual orientation other than heterosexuality! I am not talking about people simply saying I am gay and I have always none I was gay. Explain the numerous cases of gays who were for decades a full functioning heterosexual with kids.
@CommonSenseJoe We are born with the physical attributes required to reproduce. That does not mean we are born with a sexual attraction to the opposite sex. I never chose to be gay, I just am. And by the way, if you think natural and moral is the same thing, you are badly mistaken.
@Yngveqw Attraction is subjective. Behavior is not. You choose to engage in homosexuality, whatever you motivation or feelings. I never said moral and natural were the same thing. They often are, but not always.
@CommonSenseJoe I'd rather say I choose to live a happy life, where I don't have to suppress my emotions. But yes, I completely agree that that's a choice, and I'm glad I live in a society where I can make that choice, instead of living a life in agony. But you said that there is no such thing as sexual orientation - isn't the subjective attraction you know speak of exactly that?
@Yngveqw Great, I love agreement. So you agree that you made the choice to engage in homosexuality. You would not born this way and it was NOT something beyond your control. Attraction is NOT the same as sexual orientation. Attraction is subjective and can be altered. The same is true of arousal. The only objective we have is our biology which is clearly heterosexual in nature.
@CommonSenseJoe your name is common sense yet you seem not to have any. Where is the proof its a choice? There is however proof that homosexuality is NOT a choice. attraction isn't subjective... a straight man who is attracted to very skinny picture perfect woman will never find a fat woman attractive. a gay man who likes muscular men wont fall for a fatty.
@SpreaddEm Do you not choose to engage in sexual intercourse? You are the one who has no common sense. Attraction and preference are ALL subjective. How you feel about something can change and does change over time and with understanding.
@CommonSenseJoe Of course you choose to have intercourse, but subcosciously, one makes that choice due to inate primal urges. So if your inate, primal urge is driving one to have homosexual intercourse, rather than heterosexual intercourse, then of course you will choose homosexual sex. Choice is not as simple as thinking whether you will have one thing or another. Genetic code and past experiences can affect the subconcious urges that lead us to make concious choices.
@benjaminengray We are civilized human beings. We do not live by "innate primal urges". Saying that one is born a certain way is nothing more than an excuse for the behavior one chooses to engage in.
We are heterosexual by our biology. Nature did not create men and women as homosexuals. They choose to behave that way. Marriage is a very specific legal, social, and emotional relationship between men and women. It has very specific benefits to them and society. If you think it is about keeping someone else as property or chattel, why would gays want that? Who gets to decide which one is the chattel? I understand the legal system quite well, and how screwed up it can make things.
@CommonSenseJoe What are moron you are. Have you had tea sessions with "Nature" lately and discussed this? How do you know it is a "choice" to be gay? Were you gay yourself and then chose to be straight? LMAO.
@CommonSenseJoe. Maybe you should change your name to "BoldAssertionJoe" because that was the biggest paragraph of nonsense i've read in some time. Are you a biologist Joe? Do you study biology Joe? Have you written peer-reviewed scientific papers documenting your studies on our nature in regards to sexual orientation Joe? Maybe you can link us to these so we can all be as wonderfully enlightened as you. Thanks for the comment Joe, maybe you can educate us on the legal system next.
@trocknickel Do you need a peer-reviewed scientific paper to think for yourself? No one has yet shown me a in-depth, long term study of homosexuality that proves they are "born that way". If they are born that way, there must be a genetic and/or physiological difference between gays and straights. Guess what? No, such difference exists. We have been constantly pounded with the notion that sexual orientation exists, but with NO OBJECTIVE proof it exists.
@CommonSenseJoe I like boys. I did not choose it. My dad likes women. He did not choose it. Wether we are born this way, which I believe, or it is developed during our first years, is irrelevant. But to say it is a choice is pure ignorance, and to even claim that sexual orientation is a lie, is plain stupid. If it was, I would not be writing this. Do you also doubt the existance of gravity? Or bacteria? Just because you cannot touch or smell it, doesn't make it a lie.
@Yngveqw What if a man likes little boys, and claims that he was born that way. Does this make his sexual preference natural, moral, and acceptable to you? Sexual orientation is myth because it cannot be proven by any scientific standard. It is claimed to exist but only on the basis of subjective feelings.
@CommonSenseJoe No, that's different because a child can NEVER consent. Two adults can and it's NONE of your business if they do. Someone else's sex life has NOTHING to do with you. And if orientation is a myth then how do you have one? And yes, scientists have proved that it exists. There is more genetic material for homosexuality than left-handedness. Homosexuality is present in 1,500 species. Homophobia is in one. Which is more subjective - their relations or your bias?
@britishsuicide Who decided this magical age of consent? No, scientist have NOT proved sexual orientation in any objective way. They assume it and then report it. No, homosexuality does not exist in 1,500 species. What some want to define as homosexuality exists. It is not the same as with human beings.
@CommonSenseJoe The fact that you haven't been presented with any evidence of physiological differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals kind of tells you that we are about equal, doesn't it? So why should we not be treated as such?
@Yngveqw No, it tells me that you are not born gay. It is a behavior you chose to engage in. It is NOT equal with heterosexuality because it violates the intended use of our bodies. It is a behavior that leads to significantly higher rates of suicide, and substance and physical abuse. There are countless other medical problems that are never studies because it is not politically correct to do so.
@CommonSenseJoe Your understanding of sexuality proves that you are nothing more than a bigot who has no idea of what you profess to know. Do some homework. And to suggest that you know more than organizations like the APA tells the You Tube universe how utterly arrogant you are.
@pudgeuncle I don't have to know more if what I know is right and what they know is wrong. Tell me why has there never been a long term in-depth study of homosexuality and its effect on the individual? Tell me why are homosexuals significantly more likely to commit suicide, suffer from substance and physical abuse? Why do gays have tremendously great average number of sexual partners compare to heterosexuals?
@CommonSenseJoe Oh my God (lol), are you serious? When you are convinced everything about you is wrong, then killing yourself is an easy way out. When you desperately want to break free, but all the ingorant bastards who surround you, chain you down, with their hate speech and bigotry, killing yourself might be the only way out. When your parents hate you, you may want to just dissappear. That's why.
@CommonSenseJoe Regarding sleeping around. You might want to cite some non-biased sources. You seem to have a lot of ideas about how gays are, but I can't seem to identify with these ideas, and not many of my gay friends fit into your stereotype either. What can this mean???
@Yngveqw U.S. Centers for Disease Control has reported an upswing in promiscuity, at least among young homosexual men in San Francisco. From 1994 to 1997, the percentage of homosexual men reporting multiple partners and unprotected anal sex rose from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent, with the largest increase among men under 25.4 Despite its continuing incurability, AIDS no longer seems to deter individuals from engaging in promiscuous gay sex.
@pudgeuncle It is not a question of who knows more. It is a question of NOT being willing to accept a concept that HAS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to back it up. It is an assumption, not a prove fact. How can you say something exists without any objective evidence to prove it?
@CommonSenseJoe Is your nick meant to be ironic? I certainly did not choose to be gay, and if you had a shred of common sense, you would digest this information, and quit your ignorant bigotry. Just because a code for same sex attraction has yet to be found in our vast genetic data, your personal beliefs, which are based on ignorance, are not any more true than the theory of a gay gene. A theory which is supported by my own experience as a gay person.Open your eyes.
@Yngveqw Fact, you choose to engage in homosexuality. Regardless of your feelings, you make a choice to engage in the behavior. Why you choose to do so is the issue. You claim that you are born that way, yet there is nothing to prove that claim but your subjective emotions. Your emotions cannot be objectively verified.
Organizations like Exodus are actually going under financially now because they have NOTHING of value to contribute except misleading lies, homophobia and closeted gays forcing themselves to be something they are not, leading to self-destruction and scandal. Polls after polls show the tide is turning against gay bigotry as people come into contact with actual gays and lesbians and SEE the truth for themselves. They are not monsters, hurt nobody, contribute to society and love just as validly.
There is only a small, fringe, quack group of so-called psychologists who for RELIGIOUS reasons did not agree with the ruling made by the APA and other medical boards when they removed homosexuality from the list of sexual disorders. Having it on the list supported a RELIGIOUS stance on it. When they no longer had a medical excuse to be hateful and condemnatory of gays, they broke away and formed NARTH and other ex-gay organizations that are a JOKE, ridden with scandal and ruined lives.
@Common Joe, So now it is a mental illness? I thought you said before it was a choice. Your inconsistencies are on display for all to see. Medical experts studying homosexuality for over a hundred years now have a clear understanding it is not a mental illness, sexual attraction is not a choice. I have provided references and the information is readily available so let us not pretend you're interested in the research. You just want to make false assertions with no proof.
@alieninthecaribbean What study? You need to give me the study by name so I can look it up myself and see what it says. What would you call a behavior that leads to increased risk of suicide, physical and substance abuse, and recklessness? I will use whatever name you are comfortable. ALL behavior is a choice for human beings.
This is what passes for journalism these days: She asks "what kind of damage" do these programs cause rather than asking if they do cause any damage. And she knows very well that Mr. Phil (sorry, he's not actually a doctor -- having a doctorate does not make you a physician) is going to answer in advance. She's not requesting information, she just wants her viewpoint put forth unchallenged.
There is no bias in pure scientific/medical observation of human impusles, behavior, only a quest to understand and categorize. There is however strong bias in religious control over how we act and that is the bias of those who will not accept the findings of scientists who have observed a clear spectrum of gender identity and sexual orientation in nature.
@alieninthecaribbean Of course there is bias! Scientists have their own set of assumptions going into any research project. They interpret the results subjectively through their own bias. Where is the research study that lead to this conclusion that sexual orientation existed and that homosexuality is NOT a mental illness?
Apparently your "common sense" falls short of scientific observation on this issue. You claim that "feelings" cannot not analyzed and categorized in your opinion. Obviously that is false. Psychoanalysts, psychologists and behavioral scientists have been able to categorize a vast number of human impulses and behavors this way. I have given substantive studies by a number of sources. It is up to you to be honest and recognize it or persist in deliberate ignorance.
@alieninthecaribbean They categorize them according to their own bias of sexual orientation. You cannot know what a person is really thinking or feeling for sure. You can only go on the basis of what they tell you and how you interpret it. Where is the study on homosexuality and it's affects on individual in your list?
Have no fear, I am well aware of the fallacious arguements and defamatory assertions. I have no intention to convince CommonSenseJoe of anything but to ensure that accurate information, ethical, humane and tolerant conclusions are stated for the many people who might be reading. People will be able to weigh, test, research and hopefully come out of hateful ignorance or know how to combat hateful ignorance.
@CommonSenseJoe You are still trying to equate a consensual same-sex relationship with pedophilia. Is this deliberate or just being misinformed of the ethical, legal and psychological facts. An adult-child sexual relationship is not centered around mutual consent, love and caring but manipulation and control as a norm. A pedophile gets sexual satisfaction from control of a weaker victim he/she has fetishized and dehumanized. Two adults in a loving relationship is anathema to this.
@alieninthecaribbean Dude, talking to this moron about science or even logic is an exercise in futility. His "belief" system has no bearing in reality, and logic is lost on him. Evidence doesn't sway those that are already lost in a world of delusion of their own creation. He literally is WILLING to deny fact, simply because the facts don't agree with his conclusions. We call a man with an imaginary freind, INSANE, we call millions with one, a RELIGION.
@alieninthecaribbean I am not equating anything. I am using the logic that one's sexual preference is something they are born with and cannot change. Your concept of consent is not that same those whose preference in young people. You are unfairly categorizing their sexual preference, while excuse homosexuality as a "loving relationship". Why are you limiting love by your old fashion values of age and consent?
People getting married at 13 and 14 in old times does not justify pedophilia any more than people owning slaves justifies it today. Life-expectancy was once 35 and so 13 and 14 was basically "mid-age". That is not the case today. We know have the opportunity to let kids be kids, grow up, get educated, choose their path, work towards their dreams. Life has become about more than mere survival and reproduction. Now it is about QUALITY of existence and sustaining our planet.
@alieninthecaribbean I did not say it justified anything. I was simply that the age of consent has changed over the years. Could it be that your concept of consent is discriminating against those who believe they can and should decide with whom they have sex?
Expecting 7Billion intelligent mammals to manifest the exact same sexuality and gender is simply unnatural. It does not exist ANYWHERE in the natural world. Even in the animal kingdom biologists observe anomalies in gender and sexual behavior. Male and female are but two of HUNDREDS of genders that exist in nature. There are organisms that change gender, hermaphrodites and intersex. Nature favors DIVERSITY. You only bring suffering trying to squeeze everyone into one mould.
@alieninthecaribbean No, it is not unnatural. I am not expect anyone to do anything. If a person wish to engage in homosexuality, that is their right. What I refuse to do is call that normal, moral, and as natural as heterosexuality. I refuse to redefine marriage to include should behavior. By definition, an anomaly is NOT normal. There are not hundreds of genders for human beings, just two, male and female. Anything else is the result of a birth defect. Nature made us male and female.
You keep talking about what you "believe" but have not been able to back it up with any respected scientific references as I have. If you choose not to believe that sexual orientation exists. Go right ahead. Do not expect educated, rational people who know the truth to accept your outlandish, unproven beliefs. There is a CLEAR spectrum of healthy, natural, sexual attraction and gender.
@alieninthecaribbean I do not expect anything. I simply apply my common sense to a given question. If homosexuality is such a good thing, why have there NOT been the detailed, long term studies to verify such a claim? How can you claim it is healthy when it leads to higher rates of suicide, substance and physical abuse? Not to mention the numerous physical complications that can result! One can claim there is sex orientation, but proving it is another matter. How do you examine feelings?
@CommonSenseJoe hahahaha Did you just claim that common sense guides you and then ask a bullshit question like "how come there haven't been any LONG TERM studies to prove HOMOSEXUALITY is a good thing?" Now, if you WEREN'T a retard, you'd know that homosexuality has only just RECENTLY been accepted by society, making any LONG TERM study almost impossible. And what is the definition of "good"? Good for you? For gays? Good for dolphins? What? ther are complication with HETERO sex. moron.
@Rushtrdamus It is not even accepted by society. That is the real crux of the problem. Gays trying to force acceptance through redefining marriage. So your argument is that we must accept it before we can study it? I would settle for any study that actually looked at homosexuality. Good for anyone to engage in as a behavior! If the behavior shortens your lifespan by 20 years, would you consider that a good thing?
@CommonSenseJoe I hate(not really) to prove you wrong AGAIN, but according to Galup. " For the first time in Gallup's tracking of the issue, a majority of Americans (53%) believe same-sex marriage should be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages"
No, I'm saying you can't honestly study something if the people in the study are afraid to be honest. It'd be like asking a christian if they masterbate, do you really think they'd tell you the truth?
@Rushtrdamus Polls don't make laws. Elected officials make laws and voters make elected officials. The only poll I trust is on election day. Every time the issue is voted on, IT LOSES!
So let me get this right. You will trust a person to tell a pollster the truth about gay marriage, but somehow you think a study of homosexuality would be unreliable. It is not studied because no one wants the truth. There is a lots of stuff that would turn people against homosexuality if they knew.
@CommonSenseJoe Aha, correct, and so far elected officials in 6 states have made same sex marriage legal. that poll shows we're moving away from religious-based bigotry and into a fair, educated world, where religion is a personal decision. Remember, the supreme court can strike laws that they deem unconstitutional. As man progresses, so will our laws and views. I'm sorry you don't like it, but tuff titty.
@CommonSenseJoe hahahaha If far is a few years, then you're correct. We have 12% of the staes allowing same sex marriage, every year from here on out, we will gain more. Within 10 years, MOST will allow it, or course the Supreme court could make ALL allow it. So, most likely a couple of years from now, The U.S. will make it universal.
@CommonSenseJoe They could, however it isn't likely, since they realize that the court shouldn't make discrimination legal. The dark ages of religion will soon be behind humans at last. It won't be long and people like you will be mocked for the mythology and superstition you believe in.
Newsflash: Roe V. Wade only applies to FEDERAL abortion laws. States have every right to ban abortion, it's just that everytime it's voted on, it loses, like in MS, last month. It failed.
@CommonSenseJoe hahahaha I know, ain't awesome. That does not however stop the poeple in backward states from TRYING backdoor attepts at undermining Roe, just like MS. just did. the only problem is that it failed. Now you do the math, if it fails in redneck, bibleville, what're the odds of it passing anywhere?
Your statement about banning if they could is obviously wrong, since MS. wasn't close, and it was an almost across the board ban. And which states? name them?
@CommonSenseJoe I would trust a study done TODAY over one done 50 years ago, most thinking people would. 50 years ago, a gay person might have been killed jujst for admitting they're gay. COMMON SENSE Joe. hahahaha
"There is a lots of stuff that would turn people against homosexuality if they knew." You could exchange homosexuality with the church or religion, and it would be just as true. Religions history is filled with murder, rape, hangings and other evil deeds. First-born of Egypt?
Gay and lesbian people are not "straight people" who just HAPPEN to indulge in same-sex intercourse. They are people who CANNOT feel all the aspects of sexual attraction (emotionally, sexually, aesthetically) towards the opposite sex. A Victoria Secret model, could be giving a gay man a lap dance....NOTHING HAPPENING down there the way it would instantly, INSTINCTIVELY happen to you. It would take intoxicants, disassociation and fantasy to probably force a reaction which would not be enjoyed.
@alieninthecaribbean You are basing everything you say on the premise that there is such a thing as sexual orientation. As I have said, I do not believe sexual orientation exists. People will always have sexual preferences but those are NOT the same as being born "gay" or "straight". I don't think they just happen to indulge in homosexuality. I believe they made a choice to engage in the behavior.
@CommonSenseJoe - From my understanding, I think it is fair to say that the majority of straight people do not consider engaging in gay sex as an option for them (as they are straight). I do not hear of many straight people as they grow up 'choosing' to be straight. I am gay. I have never once considered engaging in straight sex/relationship as an 'option'. It would be completely unnatural to me as it would be unnatural for my straight friends engaging in homosexual sex. I was born this way.
@Lilysunday The pedophile would say the same thing. Having sex with an adult would be "unnatural" for him. You have accepted the concept of sexual orientation as truth. Respectfully, how you "feel" does not make the behavior any less immoral, unhealthy, and unnatural.
You can be gay and lesbian and remain a virgin. You will continue to notice the same-sex in a sexual way, get crushes or fall in love with people the same gender but not HAVE SEX with the same-sex.
A woman who only feels sexual attraction (emotionally, sexually, aesthetically) to other women is STILL a lesbian even if she never has sex with another woman. In fact, she can even marry a MAN, endure sex with him and STILL be a lesbian.
If you were 12, even if you were feeling the effects of hormones awakening, and some woman seduced you, she would be VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS. Same applies in a same-sex scenario. The feelings may be there but anything under 16 is Statuatory Rape.
A child of 9, 10, or 12 may know they are "gay" because of their FEELINGS and PERSONALITY and the FIRST CRUSHES they have. Sex is not required to know your sexual orientation. Who are you usually ATTRACTED to? Which gender gives you butterfly feelings?
I am guessing you are heterosexual. Then you should be able to answer your own question. It just requires some "common sense". Around puberty, you began getting wet dreams, noticing girls your age and sexy women etc. It's the same for those who are gay and lesbian, except the puppy-love crushes are on members of the same sex. HOWEVER, that in NO WAY means a 12, 13, child is READY or ABLE to consent to a sexual relationship with an adult. AGE OF CONSENT applies.
@alieninthecaribbean Several decades ago, people got married at 13 and 14 years of age. I know that understanding and processing sexual thoughts and feelings is confusing for EVERYONE. This is why I have doubts when someone confidently says, " I knew I was gay at age 5".
What? People of faith ignoring actual facts and evidence? Get outta here!
InteGrayting2 2 weeks ago
It's rather refreshing to hear Dr. Phil speak intelligently
captainmatt94 1 month ago 7
@CommonSenseJoe Shut the f-k up! You're an idiot
MikesBigGayCrafts 1 month ago
@MikesBigGayCrafts Now that's the sort of productive YouTube comment I like to see!
ErikWithBrain 1 month ago
looks like has a fake tan but was wearing big goggles when sprayed....LOL
1morehigh 1 month ago
@1morehigh LOL....it's the beverly hills life babeeee.lol
kmcl11 4 weeks ago
Yes, it is a fact. A woman can only get pregnant when she ovulates. The problem is pinpointing those four days. Didn't you learn this stuff in high school? I never said the two were related. The two most common factors for ALL the people in poverty are failing the graduate high school and/or getting pregnant in high school. If you don't leave me, LOOK AROUND!
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
Saying "Gay to Straight counceling" is a vague statement. Nobody know exactly how they counsel them, and every councelor there has a PHD, or MD degree if you actually visit the site. The only people who go there are people who want to live the Homosexual lifestyle, no one is forced to go there. Will homosexuals support other gays who choose to reject their lifestyle? Or are they going to judge and ridicule them?
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Always amazing how these "news" always come out when political elections become urgent. Gays and liberals love to smear on people, so they save these stories for these moments.
sooperfukker 1 month ago
I just realized ( saw a docu) that also here in europe there's a new "Hate" growing. I thought that everyone must know at least one homosexual by now, and is aware that it is not a choice. It makes me very sad that people in this day and age are still homophopic. It is nobodys business, what two lovers do behind closed doors. If both want it what's to hate?
Also, this woman: Michele Bachmann is pathtic!
whitexchina 1 month ago
i can't help but think of the mad tv version of dr. phil
tammymism 1 month ago
It took a while, but he had me at 'scientific evidence..."
drunkensteiin 2 months ago
If it was actually a choice, you wouldnt need therapy becuase a choice is very easy.
Brainwashing someone into doing something un natural however takes a lot of work and constant attention.
Gay people dont kill themselves over something that is a choice.
MundyArtStudio 2 months ago
@MundyArtStudio People CHOOSE to kill themselves everyday over their poor choices.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
that is the definition of christian ignore the evidence.
kern39743 2 months ago
@kern39743 What evidence? Show me one long term in-depth study that proves ANY physiological or genetic difference between straights and gays?
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe Closeted men exist. These are men who have fantasies and secret attraction for other men, however they have chosen to pretend that they are completely straight lest they be harassed by homophobes. Do you think they chose to live such a tortured life? Of course not, that's just stupid. Who on earth chooses to live a tortured life? It's kind like being born with a birth mark. You can choose to hide it, but it's just insane to say they CHOSE to have that birth mark.
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 Lots of people choose to live tortured lives. The world is full of people who make poor choices and destroy their own lives. Do you think a child molester is less responsible for his or her actions because they have fantasies and secret attractions for children? It is NOT the same as being born with a birth mark. It is a behavior one choose to engage in which leads to very destructive consequences in their lives. High rate of suicide as an example.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe actually the high rate of suicide is caused by the negative environment constantly imposed on an individual whether it's bullying, family remarks, or just loneliness. Also comparing pedofiles to homosexuality is already wrong, homosexuals engage in sexual activity with people of the same sex, not someone who is a minor.
Also, you can choose to not engage in some activity, but that doesn't mean you chose those desires in the first place, they will always be there...
GamingTranceSeer 1 month ago
@GamingTranceSeer Actually, that is NOT true. Even in countries where homosexuality is fully and openly accepted, the rate is still significantly higher. It is your logic, not mine. If one's innate sexual desire are not to be questioned, then you cannot judge the person's who is attracted to children. The pedophile would say you are the one with the problem and have constructed the concept of consent.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe how could I construct the concept of consent? That's something that's recognized by pretty much anyone, an animal doesn't consent, a child isn't fully mature to "consent". Like I said before, the reason the rate is still higher is because of the negative stigma associated with homosexuality in general, there is most likely people who ridicule homosexuals even in the most prohomosexual neighborhoods like occasional religious protesters, or someone may get hate mail in emails,etc
GamingTranceSeer 1 month ago
@GamingTranceSeer Well, it was pretty much recognized that homosexuality was a perversion for quite a while as well. Who says they are not mature enough to consent? Some folks seem to think young people having sex is fine.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@GamingTranceSeer Lots of people get ridiculed and it does not lead them to suicide. The fact is that the behavior is indicative of a self-destructive lifestyle.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Part 1: I agree with you that an act can be chosen, but my point is that the initial desire is NOT chosen. How on earth can a desire be chosen. I never chose to desire chocolate, it just happens because my brain was born to desire sweets. However, I can choose to not eat it.
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 I never said the desire what chosen, only how one acts on that desire.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe actually you never differentiated that so their reply was justified, here's your exact words "The world is full of people who make poor choices and destroy their own lives"
GamingTranceSeer 1 month ago
@GamingTranceSeer I guess I am not following you here. People make poor choices and destroy their lives. What was wrong with that statement?
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Part 2: Analogously, extreme homosexuality is based on a desire a few have. One may choose to ignore it and become closeted, alternatively one may choose to embrace it. Despite being able to choose the action, the desire itself was not chosen. Some have it more strongly than others and battle to ignore it.
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 No one can judge the depth or source or even reality of another person's "desire". We can only look at the actions of a person.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe A homosexual lifestyle is chosen, but homosexual desires are NOT based on choice. Will you at least agree with this? If not, then you're going against what you just said, which is "No one can judge....reality of another person's desire". Homosexuals have said that their desires weren't chosen. If you think they are lying, then you are contradicting your principle, and are judging the "reality" of their "desires".
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 I agree that a person may not have control of what desires they feel, but I disagree that they cannot learn to change them or deal with them without acting on them. In addition, I cannot say whether they are lying or not. What I can say is that there are cases where men have lived for DECADES as heterosexuals. They have wives and children, and then suddenly decide they are gay. I think they would say ANYTHING to justify their behaviors.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Part 1. A homosexual can learn to deal with the desires, i.e. they can choose to not act upon them. They can certainly love their female partner, albeit non sexually. But you must understand that they must lie. That is the nature of closeted men. They must keep a straight face and lie constantly to their wife. It is torture. So do you not see at least some level of decency men of the homosexual lifestyle abide by? They are against lying.
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 No, they must learn to retrain their desire to one's that are NOT self-destructive.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Part 2. Having said that, I denounce homosexual men who choose a heterosexual lifestyle and have a family then abandon them. This is cruel and unforgivable, even among homosexual circles. Clearly, the choice of which lifestyle, has dire consequences for a homosexual. If he chooses a hetero life, he must commit wholeheartedly and ignore the anguish within. If he chooses a homosexual life, he risks losing contact with his parents and friends.
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 How about we just accept the fact that homosexuality is a perverted, self-destructive way to live and stop trying to make into something normal and wholesome.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe self destructive according to who? You and all your little christian friends? Just b/c you think something is wrong doesn't make it so. You live your life and let others live theirs. It really isn't that hard of a concept.
sfm073 1 month ago
@sfm073 The facts: Higher rate of suicide, substance and physical abuse, health complications, diseases, etc. I don't care what you do in your own bedroom. Just leave marriage alone, and we would have no problem.
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@CommonSenseJoe You do realize that all those stats have been linked to the discrimination of lGBT people? Does it not make sense that someone might harm themselves more often than others when they feel they aren't allowed to be themselves?
If you care about marriage so much then why weren't you protesting after Kim Kardashian got a divorce after 72 days? So you think its okay for the bible to say that a rape victim must marry the rapist?
sfm073 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Part 3. Now just imagine for a second the homosexual men who chose not to lie, because they find lying abhorrent. Imagine how they feel, as they decide not to lie, anti-gay protesters call them an abomination, attempting to destroy everyone's marriage (what a load of crap) and that they will burn in hell --for NOT LYING!!!!!
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 It is not a question of lying and YOU know it. It is an issue of choice. If a man can become aroused enough to father children then they can honestly live as heterosexuals.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Part 4. Pedophilia and a homosexual lifestyles are incomparable because pedophilia harms the minor. It is a disgusting practice and the minor must be protected. Homosexuality on the other hand occurs between two consenting parties, where no one is harmed.
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 Both are sexual preferences. If homosexuality is born into person and cannot be changed, then you MUST make the same argument of ALL sexual preferences. Tell me how is the minor harmed by sex with an older person but not by sex with another minor?
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe That is not true. Age is not the same thing as gender. Law abiding, of legal age, grown human beings.
Minors, and everyone who engages in sexual activity, needs to be mentally prepared to take that step. However, many are not.
scramasboy 1 month ago
@scramasboy So why are the same people who are pushing for condoms for kids to have sex and say it is wrong to tell NOT to have sex are also pushing for gay marriage? The people who are attracted to kids would use the same argument you are using. Who decides "legal age"? Was not sodomy illegal?
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Condoms are for birth control for all ages. It makes it so the people who DO have sex don't get pregnate prematurely when they can't handle a child or aren't willing to and also to prevent std's because that is an enormous problem and preaching abstinence is proven to not work. Legal age depends on general emotional and physical maturity in populations and brain functions. Sodomy is a general practice almost all sexually active people engage in. [anything other than vaginal sex]
scramasboy 1 month ago
@scramasboy Actually, abstinence works EVERY time it is tried. You cannot hand out condoms and then say you don't want them to use them. Like I said, this is your logic, not mind. If you argue sexual preference is born into us and cannot be changed, you must treat ALL sexual preferences under the law the same.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe No. Abstinence is taught and what happens is the majority of the people taught to be abstinent do not stay abstinent and they do not know about or how to use contriceptive and they contract std's or become pregnate. That is a fact. It's a smarter idea to teach people how to protect themselves. And who says you must treat ALL sexual preferences the same? There is a major difference between two consenting adults and an adult with a minor. It's rediculous to believe otherwise.
scramasboy 1 month ago
@scramasboy Actually, the opposite is true. We DON"T tell the kids the FACTS about sex activity. We don't tell them, for example, that condoms FAIL nearly 20% of the time. We don't tell them that they are NOT ready to engage in sex unless they are ready to deal with the consequences. YOU think there is a difference, but the pedophile would argue that you are imposing YOUR morality on him or her.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe I just took my courses in this exact subject and in fact we do tell what we can. There is a huge struggle in schools because of what people feel is proper to teach children and teenagers. The parents are at a crossroads of sorts and feel as you, that if we teach about proper protection meathods, are we actively encouraging these kids to have sex? Though which is the lesser of two evils here? I am not imposing any beliefs on the pedophile, rather societal beliefs about children.
scramasboy 1 month ago
@scramasboy I am not against teaching the truth to students in school. If a jet liner crashed 20% of the time, we would not call that "safe" travel. Yet, we hand out condoms and call it "safe" sex. We need to tell them that sexual activity at their age increases their risk for cancer, STD, and AIDS. We need to tell them that the TWO leading causes of poverty are underage pregnancy and failing to graduate high school. If we tell them the real facts, I am all for it.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe I've used condoms and haven't become pregnant 20% of the time. I'd love to know why you believe underage pregnancy and the lack of a high school diploma are the the top two causes of poverty in America. I do agree these raise the risk, but my mother was married at 14, a grandmother by 30, and dropped out after 8th grade. She's not "poor" and neither are her 7 kids. Consider drug abuse, illnesses, a lack of full-time employment in the job pool, a lay-off, or plain old laziness.
StefaneewithanF 1 month ago
@StefaneewithanF There are ALWAYS exceptions for every rule. These are facts. Condoms FAIL nearly 20% of the time in preventing pregnancy. Keep in mind that a woman can only get pregnant 4 days out of 28. Just think of what the percentage is for failure in protecting against STDs, which you can catch every single time. It is not my belief, but actual statistical fact that teenage pregnancy and dropping out of high school are the two leading indicators of poverty.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe This is not a fact. If we were only able to get pregnant 4 days out of every 28, we wouldn't have teenage pregnancy. We would just not have sex those 4 days. I've never heard something so ridiculous. Give me some solid statistics from a reputable medical facility. Also, give evidence supporting your claim that teenage pregnancy and dropping out of high school are THE two leading indicators. I don't see any pregnant teenage boys dropping out.
StefaneewithanF 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe hey btw sperm can stay in a woman uterus and travel up to the folobian tube extra 3days(3days is the average lifespan of sperm inside some have even 5days of recorded viability time) so you have to count in total atleast six days to that four days so that equals to ten days from 28th day cycle and people have different cycles. Some have 26 some 33 so that makes it even harder. And of course before and after you ovulate you are more likely to want to have sex..
ItIsBadForU 1 month ago
@ItIsBadForU You still need an available egg regardless on how long sperm may or may not live. While there are variances, a woman must be ovulating in order for pregnancy to occur.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe the condom rate of protection is actually 89%, and thats an overall statistic based condoms used and pregancies that occur despite usage. It doesnt mean that its 89% for every person. It can prevent 100% of the time for someone and it may never work for someone else... but on average it protects against pregnancy 89% of the time
eddieisfiction 1 week ago
@eddieisfiction Fine, let us consider your figure. Would fly on an airline where one out of every 10 flights crash? Remember, pregnancy can only occur part of the time. However STDS can be transfer 100% of the time. If a condom fails 1 in 10 for pregnancy, what kind of rate does it have for STDS?
CommonSenseJoe 1 week ago
@CommonSenseJoe its a general figure... and yes it does fail for STDs quite often... even less than 89% of the time, due to the fact that not all STDs have to transfer via semen. i.e. crabs, herpes, warts, etc.
although I dont see how thats relative to this video to be honest... Im a bit confused
eddieisfiction 1 week ago
@CommonSenseJoe also its not a 1 in 10 chance to get pregant, most of the issues that its an 11% failure rate is due to the fact that condoms arent used correctly.
also if women are using contraception, the chances of getting pregant decrease by a high amount. Condoms are not the best form of protection against pregancy, female birth control is. Having monogamous partners and testing prior to sexual activity reduces chances of disease to 0
eddieisfiction 1 week ago
@CommonSenseJoe also again, I dont see what this has to do with the video, but ok lol. Just thought Id answer your questions.
eddieisfiction 1 week ago
@CommonSenseJoe and just so you know, if you properly know how to use a condom, the chances a getting a woman pregnant (not including women that are condom proof lol) are more closer to 1 in 100 than one in 10. Just remember, its a general statistic, and in all reality probably not even based in fact to begin with. Pretty hard to measure something thats so discreetly purchased and then used afterwards.
eddieisfiction 1 week ago
@eddieisfiction I believe that conversation was about sexual education.
CommonSenseJoe 1 week ago
@CommonSenseJoe I thought it was about stopping propaganda.
eddieisfiction 1 week ago
@eddieisfiction You mean the kind that says using a condom is "safe sex"?
CommonSenseJoe 1 week ago
@CommonSenseJoe umm Im referring to the video, gay to straight clinics... not condoms or safe sex. Not that at all.
eddieisfiction 1 week ago
@eddieisfiction It is not propaganda. The myth is that sexual orientation even exists.
CommonSenseJoe 4 days ago
@CommonSenseJoe of course it is exists, and theres different spectrums of it as well. Its measured with your brain chemistry and hormones.
eddieisfiction 2 days ago
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@CommonSenseJoe of course it is exists, and theres different spectrums of it as well. Its measured with your brain chemistry and hormones.
eddieisfiction 2 days ago
@StefaneewithanF and that 20% is when you don't know how to use them properly or you store them in your wallet or close to keys or other sharp objects...So thankfully there are day after pills... You have to educate young people how to use them and if you are drunk well...sometimes they are forgotten.. but 2% is the actual statistic if you use them right. Some young people just hadn't been taught about these things and it saddens me just abstinence.. like that works...
ItIsBadForU 1 month ago
@ItIsBadForU Abstinence works every time it is tried. What you are neglecting to understand is that you are talking only pregnancy. I am talking STDs, Cancer, and other physical complication of sexual activity at an early age. BTW, failure is failure regardless of cause.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
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@CommonSenseJoe yeah but what I mean that teaching only abstinence protects only some teens(since teen agers hormones are running wild)so yes condoms are the way to go. And also add pills too then teens will be protected from both diseases and pregnancies.(pills also help with menstrual cramps and pain)
ItIsBadForU 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Part 1: Yes, the same argument can be made with all sexual preferences. But sexual preference when it comes to gender is what I'm talking about. Preference towards a minor has an element of exploitation and control on someone who doesn't know better. So pedophiles should go to jail. Sex between an older person and a minor is harmful due to obvious physical differences and the fact that the minor is too young to understand the implications.
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 It is a distinction without a difference. Sexual preference IS sexual preference. Sex is really only sex when it is between a man and a woman. Everything is a perversion. Again, who decides who is too young? What age IS appropriate in your world?
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Part 2: If however a minor has sex with a minor, they should not go to jail, instead they should be educated because they are likely just curious and exploratory.
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 Sex is sex. Why is age an issue if it was consensual?
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe A minor is not educated enough, nor are they mentally developed enough to know the implications. The older participant understands all the implications and are taking advantage of the minor's ignorance. It becomes statutory rape. Between minors, it is unlikely that either of them understands the implications and neither are taking advantage of the other because both are in a state of ignorance.
paramount8000 1 month ago
@paramount8000 Should be crime then in either case.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe because someone who is very young cannot legally consent as their brains aren't developed enough to realize the ramifications of their actions of now or later on in life. [Biological psychology] There is a sense of beng taken advantage of as well.
scramasboy 1 month ago
@scramasboy Years ago, people got married at a far younger age than now. Who is to determine this age of consent? I know adults who fail to see the ramification of their actions.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe It's a generalization. Past generations are extremely different than todays generation. That is obvious in todays world and that goes for all aspects of life, maturity included.
scramasboy 1 month ago
@scramasboy True, but not necessarily better.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
As much as I hate to admit it, I just gained a small amount of respect for Dr. Phil.
bookgirlocmd 2 months ago
joe, have you ever been gay to determine that everyone is born straight? you one of those know-it-all experts now? LMAO. you and the rest of you know-it-alls are retards. you think you are experts at something you (supposedly) know nothing about. so everyone is born straight, huh? so why would a person suddenly want to be gay? to be ridiculed? i have NEVER had a wet dream about any females. are you saying its because i choose not to? that i can control my involuntary dreams?! LMAO
windew 2 months ago
@windew Arguing as if orientation was a reality is not going to persuade me. Everyone is born biologically heterosexual. It is the way we are designed to reproduce. Why would someone what to be a child molester? I don't know, but I know they CHOOSE do to it. Because they get wet dreams about 5 year old boys, that makes it OK?
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe I am a licensed psychotherpist and every mental health organization condems this inane notion of reparative therapy. You are ignorant.
pudgeuncle 2 months ago
@pudgeuncle Then please site for me the in-depth, long term peer review study that led the APA to change it's position on homosexuality. Surely there must be some objective scientific evidence that proves someone is born with a specific unalterable sexual orientation other than heterosexuality! I am not talking about people simply saying I am gay and I have always none I was gay. Explain the numerous cases of gays who were for decades a full functioning heterosexual with kids.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe We are born with the physical attributes required to reproduce. That does not mean we are born with a sexual attraction to the opposite sex. I never chose to be gay, I just am. And by the way, if you think natural and moral is the same thing, you are badly mistaken.
Yngveqw 2 months ago
@Yngveqw Attraction is subjective. Behavior is not. You choose to engage in homosexuality, whatever you motivation or feelings. I never said moral and natural were the same thing. They often are, but not always.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe I'd rather say I choose to live a happy life, where I don't have to suppress my emotions. But yes, I completely agree that that's a choice, and I'm glad I live in a society where I can make that choice, instead of living a life in agony. But you said that there is no such thing as sexual orientation - isn't the subjective attraction you know speak of exactly that?
Yngveqw 2 months ago
@Yngveqw Great, I love agreement. So you agree that you made the choice to engage in homosexuality. You would not born this way and it was NOT something beyond your control. Attraction is NOT the same as sexual orientation. Attraction is subjective and can be altered. The same is true of arousal. The only objective we have is our biology which is clearly heterosexual in nature.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe your name is common sense yet you seem not to have any. Where is the proof its a choice? There is however proof that homosexuality is NOT a choice. attraction isn't subjective... a straight man who is attracted to very skinny picture perfect woman will never find a fat woman attractive. a gay man who likes muscular men wont fall for a fatty.
SpreaddEm 2 months ago
@SpreaddEm Do you not choose to engage in sexual intercourse? You are the one who has no common sense. Attraction and preference are ALL subjective. How you feel about something can change and does change over time and with understanding.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe Of course you choose to have intercourse, but subcosciously, one makes that choice due to inate primal urges. So if your inate, primal urge is driving one to have homosexual intercourse, rather than heterosexual intercourse, then of course you will choose homosexual sex. Choice is not as simple as thinking whether you will have one thing or another. Genetic code and past experiences can affect the subconcious urges that lead us to make concious choices.
benjaminengray 1 month ago
@benjaminengray We are civilized human beings. We do not live by "innate primal urges". Saying that one is born a certain way is nothing more than an excuse for the behavior one chooses to engage in.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
We are heterosexual by our biology. Nature did not create men and women as homosexuals. They choose to behave that way. Marriage is a very specific legal, social, and emotional relationship between men and women. It has very specific benefits to them and society. If you think it is about keeping someone else as property or chattel, why would gays want that? Who gets to decide which one is the chattel? I understand the legal system quite well, and how screwed up it can make things.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe What are moron you are. Have you had tea sessions with "Nature" lately and discussed this? How do you know it is a "choice" to be gay? Were you gay yourself and then chose to be straight? LMAO.
windew 2 months ago
@windew All human behavior is a choice. No one is born anything but heterosexual. Beyond that, you choose to do what you do.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe. Maybe you should change your name to "BoldAssertionJoe" because that was the biggest paragraph of nonsense i've read in some time. Are you a biologist Joe? Do you study biology Joe? Have you written peer-reviewed scientific papers documenting your studies on our nature in regards to sexual orientation Joe? Maybe you can link us to these so we can all be as wonderfully enlightened as you. Thanks for the comment Joe, maybe you can educate us on the legal system next.
trocknickel 2 months ago
@trocknickel Do you need a peer-reviewed scientific paper to think for yourself? No one has yet shown me a in-depth, long term study of homosexuality that proves they are "born that way". If they are born that way, there must be a genetic and/or physiological difference between gays and straights. Guess what? No, such difference exists. We have been constantly pounded with the notion that sexual orientation exists, but with NO OBJECTIVE proof it exists.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe I like boys. I did not choose it. My dad likes women. He did not choose it. Wether we are born this way, which I believe, or it is developed during our first years, is irrelevant. But to say it is a choice is pure ignorance, and to even claim that sexual orientation is a lie, is plain stupid. If it was, I would not be writing this. Do you also doubt the existance of gravity? Or bacteria? Just because you cannot touch or smell it, doesn't make it a lie.
Yngveqw 2 months ago
@Yngveqw What if a man likes little boys, and claims that he was born that way. Does this make his sexual preference natural, moral, and acceptable to you? Sexual orientation is myth because it cannot be proven by any scientific standard. It is claimed to exist but only on the basis of subjective feelings.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe No, that's different because a child can NEVER consent. Two adults can and it's NONE of your business if they do. Someone else's sex life has NOTHING to do with you. And if orientation is a myth then how do you have one? And yes, scientists have proved that it exists. There is more genetic material for homosexuality than left-handedness. Homosexuality is present in 1,500 species. Homophobia is in one. Which is more subjective - their relations or your bias?
britishsuicide 2 months ago
@britishsuicide Who decided this magical age of consent? No, scientist have NOT proved sexual orientation in any objective way. They assume it and then report it. No, homosexuality does not exist in 1,500 species. What some want to define as homosexuality exists. It is not the same as with human beings.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe The fact that you haven't been presented with any evidence of physiological differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals kind of tells you that we are about equal, doesn't it? So why should we not be treated as such?
Yngveqw 2 months ago
@Yngveqw No, it tells me that you are not born gay. It is a behavior you chose to engage in. It is NOT equal with heterosexuality because it violates the intended use of our bodies. It is a behavior that leads to significantly higher rates of suicide, and substance and physical abuse. There are countless other medical problems that are never studies because it is not politically correct to do so.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe Your understanding of sexuality proves that you are nothing more than a bigot who has no idea of what you profess to know. Do some homework. And to suggest that you know more than organizations like the APA tells the You Tube universe how utterly arrogant you are.
pudgeuncle 2 months ago
@pudgeuncle I don't have to know more if what I know is right and what they know is wrong. Tell me why has there never been a long term in-depth study of homosexuality and its effect on the individual? Tell me why are homosexuals significantly more likely to commit suicide, suffer from substance and physical abuse? Why do gays have tremendously great average number of sexual partners compare to heterosexuals?
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe Oh my God (lol), are you serious? When you are convinced everything about you is wrong, then killing yourself is an easy way out. When you desperately want to break free, but all the ingorant bastards who surround you, chain you down, with their hate speech and bigotry, killing yourself might be the only way out. When your parents hate you, you may want to just dissappear. That's why.
Yngveqw 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe Regarding sleeping around. You might want to cite some non-biased sources. You seem to have a lot of ideas about how gays are, but I can't seem to identify with these ideas, and not many of my gay friends fit into your stereotype either. What can this mean???
Yngveqw 2 months ago
@Yngveqw U.S. Centers for Disease Control has reported an upswing in promiscuity, at least among young homosexual men in San Francisco. From 1994 to 1997, the percentage of homosexual men reporting multiple partners and unprotected anal sex rose from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent, with the largest increase among men under 25.4 Despite its continuing incurability, AIDS no longer seems to deter individuals from engaging in promiscuous gay sex.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@Yngveqw So Lack of Common Sense Joe knows more than Dr. Phil? I hope Lack of Sense Joe does not reproduce.
pudgeuncle 2 months ago
@pudgeuncle It is not a question of who knows more. It is a question of NOT being willing to accept a concept that HAS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to back it up. It is an assumption, not a prove fact. How can you say something exists without any objective evidence to prove it?
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe Is your nick meant to be ironic? I certainly did not choose to be gay, and if you had a shred of common sense, you would digest this information, and quit your ignorant bigotry. Just because a code for same sex attraction has yet to be found in our vast genetic data, your personal beliefs, which are based on ignorance, are not any more true than the theory of a gay gene. A theory which is supported by my own experience as a gay person.Open your eyes.
Yngveqw 2 months ago
@Yngveqw Fact, you choose to engage in homosexuality. Regardless of your feelings, you make a choice to engage in the behavior. Why you choose to do so is the issue. You claim that you are born that way, yet there is nothing to prove that claim but your subjective emotions. Your emotions cannot be objectively verified.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
Organizations like Exodus are actually going under financially now because they have NOTHING of value to contribute except misleading lies, homophobia and closeted gays forcing themselves to be something they are not, leading to self-destruction and scandal. Polls after polls show the tide is turning against gay bigotry as people come into contact with actual gays and lesbians and SEE the truth for themselves. They are not monsters, hurt nobody, contribute to society and love just as validly.
alieninthecaribbean 2 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean If it were, the gay community would not be pushing the issue in court.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
There is only a small, fringe, quack group of so-called psychologists who for RELIGIOUS reasons did not agree with the ruling made by the APA and other medical boards when they removed homosexuality from the list of sexual disorders. Having it on the list supported a RELIGIOUS stance on it. When they no longer had a medical excuse to be hateful and condemnatory of gays, they broke away and formed NARTH and other ex-gay organizations that are a JOKE, ridden with scandal and ruined lives.
alieninthecaribbean 2 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean The ruling was made based on what study?
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@Common Joe, So now it is a mental illness? I thought you said before it was a choice. Your inconsistencies are on display for all to see. Medical experts studying homosexuality for over a hundred years now have a clear understanding it is not a mental illness, sexual attraction is not a choice. I have provided references and the information is readily available so let us not pretend you're interested in the research. You just want to make false assertions with no proof.
alieninthecaribbean 2 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean What study? You need to give me the study by name so I can look it up myself and see what it says. What would you call a behavior that leads to increased risk of suicide, physical and substance abuse, and recklessness? I will use whatever name you are comfortable. ALL behavior is a choice for human beings.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
This is what passes for journalism these days: She asks "what kind of damage" do these programs cause rather than asking if they do cause any damage. And she knows very well that Mr. Phil (sorry, he's not actually a doctor -- having a doctorate does not make you a physician) is going to answer in advance. She's not requesting information, she just wants her viewpoint put forth unchallenged.
gevansmd 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe
There is no bias in pure scientific/medical observation of human impusles, behavior, only a quest to understand and categorize. There is however strong bias in religious control over how we act and that is the bias of those who will not accept the findings of scientists who have observed a clear spectrum of gender identity and sexual orientation in nature.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean Of course there is bias! Scientists have their own set of assumptions going into any research project. They interpret the results subjectively through their own bias. Where is the research study that lead to this conclusion that sexual orientation existed and that homosexuality is NOT a mental illness?
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe
Apparently your "common sense" falls short of scientific observation on this issue. You claim that "feelings" cannot not analyzed and categorized in your opinion. Obviously that is false. Psychoanalysts, psychologists and behavioral scientists have been able to categorize a vast number of human impulses and behavors this way. I have given substantive studies by a number of sources. It is up to you to be honest and recognize it or persist in deliberate ignorance.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean They categorize them according to their own bias of sexual orientation. You cannot know what a person is really thinking or feeling for sure. You can only go on the basis of what they tell you and how you interpret it. Where is the study on homosexuality and it's affects on individual in your list?
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@Rushtrdamus
Have no fear, I am well aware of the fallacious arguements and defamatory assertions. I have no intention to convince CommonSenseJoe of anything but to ensure that accurate information, ethical, humane and tolerant conclusions are stated for the many people who might be reading. People will be able to weigh, test, research and hopefully come out of hateful ignorance or know how to combat hateful ignorance.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe You are still trying to equate a consensual same-sex relationship with pedophilia. Is this deliberate or just being misinformed of the ethical, legal and psychological facts. An adult-child sexual relationship is not centered around mutual consent, love and caring but manipulation and control as a norm. A pedophile gets sexual satisfaction from control of a weaker victim he/she has fetishized and dehumanized. Two adults in a loving relationship is anathema to this.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean Dude, talking to this moron about science or even logic is an exercise in futility. His "belief" system has no bearing in reality, and logic is lost on him. Evidence doesn't sway those that are already lost in a world of delusion of their own creation. He literally is WILLING to deny fact, simply because the facts don't agree with his conclusions. We call a man with an imaginary freind, INSANE, we call millions with one, a RELIGION.
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean I am not equating anything. I am using the logic that one's sexual preference is something they are born with and cannot change. Your concept of consent is not that same those whose preference in young people. You are unfairly categorizing their sexual preference, while excuse homosexuality as a "loving relationship". Why are you limiting love by your old fashion values of age and consent?
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe
People getting married at 13 and 14 in old times does not justify pedophilia any more than people owning slaves justifies it today. Life-expectancy was once 35 and so 13 and 14 was basically "mid-age". That is not the case today. We know have the opportunity to let kids be kids, grow up, get educated, choose their path, work towards their dreams. Life has become about more than mere survival and reproduction. Now it is about QUALITY of existence and sustaining our planet.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean I did not say it justified anything. I was simply that the age of consent has changed over the years. Could it be that your concept of consent is discriminating against those who believe they can and should decide with whom they have sex?
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe
Expecting 7Billion intelligent mammals to manifest the exact same sexuality and gender is simply unnatural. It does not exist ANYWHERE in the natural world. Even in the animal kingdom biologists observe anomalies in gender and sexual behavior. Male and female are but two of HUNDREDS of genders that exist in nature. There are organisms that change gender, hermaphrodites and intersex. Nature favors DIVERSITY. You only bring suffering trying to squeeze everyone into one mould.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean No, it is not unnatural. I am not expect anyone to do anything. If a person wish to engage in homosexuality, that is their right. What I refuse to do is call that normal, moral, and as natural as heterosexuality. I refuse to redefine marriage to include should behavior. By definition, an anomaly is NOT normal. There are not hundreds of genders for human beings, just two, male and female. Anything else is the result of a birth defect. Nature made us male and female.
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe
You keep talking about what you "believe" but have not been able to back it up with any respected scientific references as I have. If you choose not to believe that sexual orientation exists. Go right ahead. Do not expect educated, rational people who know the truth to accept your outlandish, unproven beliefs. There is a CLEAR spectrum of healthy, natural, sexual attraction and gender.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean I do not expect anything. I simply apply my common sense to a given question. If homosexuality is such a good thing, why have there NOT been the detailed, long term studies to verify such a claim? How can you claim it is healthy when it leads to higher rates of suicide, substance and physical abuse? Not to mention the numerous physical complications that can result! One can claim there is sex orientation, but proving it is another matter. How do you examine feelings?
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe hahahaha Did you just claim that common sense guides you and then ask a bullshit question like "how come there haven't been any LONG TERM studies to prove HOMOSEXUALITY is a good thing?" Now, if you WEREN'T a retard, you'd know that homosexuality has only just RECENTLY been accepted by society, making any LONG TERM study almost impossible. And what is the definition of "good"? Good for you? For gays? Good for dolphins? What? ther are complication with HETERO sex. moron.
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@Rushtrdamus It is not even accepted by society. That is the real crux of the problem. Gays trying to force acceptance through redefining marriage. So your argument is that we must accept it before we can study it? I would settle for any study that actually looked at homosexuality. Good for anyone to engage in as a behavior! If the behavior shortens your lifespan by 20 years, would you consider that a good thing?
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe I hate(not really) to prove you wrong AGAIN, but according to Galup. " For the first time in Gallup's tracking of the issue, a majority of Americans (53%) believe same-sex marriage should be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages"
No, I'm saying you can't honestly study something if the people in the study are afraid to be honest. It'd be like asking a christian if they masterbate, do you really think they'd tell you the truth?
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@Rushtrdamus Polls don't make laws. Elected officials make laws and voters make elected officials. The only poll I trust is on election day. Every time the issue is voted on, IT LOSES!
So let me get this right. You will trust a person to tell a pollster the truth about gay marriage, but somehow you think a study of homosexuality would be unreliable. It is not studied because no one wants the truth. There is a lots of stuff that would turn people against homosexuality if they knew.
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe Aha, correct, and so far elected officials in 6 states have made same sex marriage legal. that poll shows we're moving away from religious-based bigotry and into a fair, educated world, where religion is a personal decision. Remember, the supreme court can strike laws that they deem unconstitutional. As man progresses, so will our laws and views. I'm sorry you don't like it, but tuff titty.
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@Rushtrdamus The battle is far from over!
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe hahahaha If far is a few years, then you're correct. We have 12% of the staes allowing same sex marriage, every year from here on out, we will gain more. Within 10 years, MOST will allow it, or course the Supreme court could make ALL allow it. So, most likely a couple of years from now, The U.S. will make it universal.
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@Rushtrdamus Or the Supreme Court could rule against same sex marriage....The court can over rule the states. They did with abortion.
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe They could, however it isn't likely, since they realize that the court shouldn't make discrimination legal. The dark ages of religion will soon be behind humans at last. It won't be long and people like you will be mocked for the mythology and superstition you believe in.
Newsflash: Roe V. Wade only applies to FEDERAL abortion laws. States have every right to ban abortion, it's just that everytime it's voted on, it loses, like in MS, last month. It failed.
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@Rushtrdamus Wrong again. Roe vs. Wade overturned ALL state laws banning abortion. States would ban abortion if allowed to.
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe hahahaha I know, ain't awesome. That does not however stop the poeple in backward states from TRYING backdoor attepts at undermining Roe, just like MS. just did. the only problem is that it failed. Now you do the math, if it fails in redneck, bibleville, what're the odds of it passing anywhere?
Your statement about banning if they could is obviously wrong, since MS. wasn't close, and it was an almost across the board ban. And which states? name them?
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe I would trust a study done TODAY over one done 50 years ago, most thinking people would. 50 years ago, a gay person might have been killed jujst for admitting they're gay. COMMON SENSE Joe. hahahaha
"There is a lots of stuff that would turn people against homosexuality if they knew." You could exchange homosexuality with the church or religion, and it would be just as true. Religions history is filled with murder, rape, hangings and other evil deeds. First-born of Egypt?
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
Gay and lesbian people are not "straight people" who just HAPPEN to indulge in same-sex intercourse. They are people who CANNOT feel all the aspects of sexual attraction (emotionally, sexually, aesthetically) towards the opposite sex. A Victoria Secret model, could be giving a gay man a lap dance....NOTHING HAPPENING down there the way it would instantly, INSTINCTIVELY happen to you. It would take intoxicants, disassociation and fantasy to probably force a reaction which would not be enjoyed.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean You are basing everything you say on the premise that there is such a thing as sexual orientation. As I have said, I do not believe sexual orientation exists. People will always have sexual preferences but those are NOT the same as being born "gay" or "straight". I don't think they just happen to indulge in homosexuality. I believe they made a choice to engage in the behavior.
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe - From my understanding, I think it is fair to say that the majority of straight people do not consider engaging in gay sex as an option for them (as they are straight). I do not hear of many straight people as they grow up 'choosing' to be straight. I am gay. I have never once considered engaging in straight sex/relationship as an 'option'. It would be completely unnatural to me as it would be unnatural for my straight friends engaging in homosexual sex. I was born this way.
Lilysunday 3 months ago
@Lilysunday The pedophile would say the same thing. Having sex with an adult would be "unnatural" for him. You have accepted the concept of sexual orientation as truth. Respectfully, how you "feel" does not make the behavior any less immoral, unhealthy, and unnatural.
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
You can be gay and lesbian and remain a virgin. You will continue to notice the same-sex in a sexual way, get crushes or fall in love with people the same gender but not HAVE SEX with the same-sex.
A woman who only feels sexual attraction (emotionally, sexually, aesthetically) to other women is STILL a lesbian even if she never has sex with another woman. In fact, she can even marry a MAN, endure sex with him and STILL be a lesbian.
Orientation refers to attractions not sex acts.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
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@alieninthecaribbean Orientation does not exist.
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
If you were 12, even if you were feeling the effects of hormones awakening, and some woman seduced you, she would be VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS. Same applies in a same-sex scenario. The feelings may be there but anything under 16 is Statuatory Rape.
A child of 9, 10, or 12 may know they are "gay" because of their FEELINGS and PERSONALITY and the FIRST CRUSHES they have. Sex is not required to know your sexual orientation. Who are you usually ATTRACTED to? Which gender gives you butterfly feelings?
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean What about a 12 year old have sex with another 12 year old? Whose rights are being violated there? Why is 16 the magic age?
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago
I am guessing you are heterosexual. Then you should be able to answer your own question. It just requires some "common sense". Around puberty, you began getting wet dreams, noticing girls your age and sexy women etc. It's the same for those who are gay and lesbian, except the puppy-love crushes are on members of the same sex. HOWEVER, that in NO WAY means a 12, 13, child is READY or ABLE to consent to a sexual relationship with an adult. AGE OF CONSENT applies.
alieninthecaribbean 3 months ago
@alieninthecaribbean Several decades ago, people got married at 13 and 14 years of age. I know that understanding and processing sexual thoughts and feelings is confusing for EVERYONE. This is why I have doubts when someone confidently says, " I knew I was gay at age 5".
CommonSenseJoe 3 months ago