My 2 cents, no matter what you are shown in life it's all up to you to make it work. Here is a guy that has done two things, learn the mechanism of the horn, develop a set-up that let's him burn, and then learned how to play the music. No doubt that playing the horn has consumed a great amount of his life and it shows in that he has developed a personal style and conception. You don't get to play the horn on this level with out some sincere desire... and probably some sacrifice too.
I first Ravi 30 years ago and he was good then, although rather conservative and introspective for my taste. Now, however, he is the real deal, among the most accomplished burning tenor players on the scene today and true to himself. No compromises here! A pure musician who draws you into his harmony. Bravo Ravi!
you cannot compare the two and here is why. you will always be biased towards one or the other...most towards John because he is a legend. take them for what they are, amazing in every sense of the word.
STUPIDITY: COMPARISONS. ANALYSE ISOLATEDLY, PLEASE. ALL OF YOU THAT INSTST TO COMPARE, SEE... YOU WALK... YOUR FATHER DOES TOO... SHOULD BOTH WALKING STYLES BE COMPARED AND JUDGED? JUST WALK AND GET THERE. YOU'VE GOT A THING INSIDE YOUR UNDERPANTS... YOUR FATHER TOO.. SHOULD ITS USE OR SIZE BE COMPARED TO YOURS?? JUST HAVE FUN WITH YOURS AND PERIOD. DON´T WASTE YOUR TIME, JUST ENJOY THIS EXCELENT MUSIC.
Ravi is going to play what makes him happy. He will continue to contribute himself and bring the qualities that make Ravi himself in whatever capacity we hear it as. Both John and Ravi have contributed something different, and both have been an influence on my musical quest.
one cant HELP but to compare John and Ravi. In the professional world if a father has a son that follow his footsteps he is compared as doctor, lawyer, etc with acheivements
Same applies even if one's father was a professional in the field of music
And I have to say, Ravi is an EXCELLENT artist but John goes way more deep in his playing. I didnt say he was worse, just saying John takes you to another level whereas Ravi makes you go "damn he's good"
this is jazz, you don't bring all that business/professional world shit into the arena... if that's the way you think you are not a true listener to this music, even though you may think you are. This is an art form and Ravi certainly contributes in his own way. You don't compare one artist to another in jazz. Maybe in other worlds, but not this one. Each plays his own way and if you are comparing, you ain't listening to the right music.
It was the stuff he took. You can't get that deep on your own. Your too aware of yourself- Every second. I'm sorry. Look at actors. They are all Uninteresting & Shallow. Its why I don't see Studio films. No One Digs Deep. Sad
By what objective standard.... or by what metric is "deep" measured?
It's laughable..... all these people who think they can demonstrate some objective truth about music.... an art form which will forever be a subjective matter of taste.
If you got a ear.. He has chop and flows with ideas. they are just different than pop's. I like to hear more praises for Luis perdomo, he a terror on Piano. inside out back in. comps very good and EJ on drums is more than just a time keeper. some of you need to listen more before you comment. once is not enough!
yea, I saw him back in january with the blue note septet. It wasn't his best work. but also, the group didn't play stuff like this that spread out a little more. it was just marginal
Ravi is Ravi and John is John. Every real musician knows that there is only one you, and that you can that you can only do the best that YOU can. In short, stop comparing him to his father because he is not his father.
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Ravi is a very very so so tener player. I know, I hear some cat calls from some wide eyed student types, but it's true...listen to his tone and ideas there is no real force coming out. I have heard this guy Live and on CD for 20 years now...and he just doesn't have passion coming out that horn...and that's a must!!!!
really...no... his not just as good as his father was and his playing the same style, so one keeps comparing...i think he is very good. i´d love to hear him play live...i have my sixties records in my collection, so i´ve no need for mainstream hardbop: it´s very seldom better. these cats do swing though.
I made a little mistake in the spelling but I know what Im talking about, and this is from years of listening to this guy play LIVE. He's ok. It ain't a total put down. But without real fire and passion there is only notes....
it must suck being the son of a legend and never actually getting to grow up with him, i kind of feel sorry for Ravi in a way, being the son of a legend and only knowing him through his music and not actually getting to grow up with him...other than that, Ravi is a great saxophonist and should not be compared to his father, he is his own player and his own saxophone...his dad is proud of him i bet...
@FreshMaverick it must suck NOT being a son of a legend,cause if you are not rich enough,you'll not make it AT ALL!All we can see is sons,and daughters of this,and that - in arts,movies,and music. Ravi is a great musician,but if hes name is John Doe,I wonder who would be curious of him!Yes,people are hungry for good music,but the MEDIA is corrupt,and coward.Thing ain't what they used to be!
@victorsethy Money is NOT all it takes to be successful. If it was, then millons of famous artists would never have gained the spotlight. The Beatles were poor before they started. Louis Armstrong was poor before he started. 90% of famous artists were dirt poor when they started. Money does not guarantee your success.
@Thundermonkeyms You are right - it WAS like that.But not in the last 15-20 years!!!I'm a musician - a good one.Played with the best ones 20 years ago,touring in Europe,and USA,then moved back home to Hungary,doing something else (surviving)for couple of years.I have hundreds of thousands of listeners on the net today,but all answer I get from anyone music related person,or company,is: "GIMMEYORMONEY". (Tvs,producers,festivals,record companies,managers,ect...).
@GarciaCornbread Well,I used to say the truth.I had a lot of problem telling the truth anyway,but I just can't act,like "oh,well,I'm just a tiny little noone from nowhere"...I won't say either,that "I'm the very best pianist on Earth".The fact is that I'm a musician - a good one. :)
@FreshMaverick comparisons are essentially unavoidable and understandable considering the lineage. we often get to see correlation between musicians due to influence, but not often due to genetics. music and musical ability are very abstract concepts that people are able to notice and analyze. comparisons and even studies of genetic relationships in music could help us learn a lot about the brain and music.
however, ravi shouldn't be expected to "live up" to his father. ravi is his own person.
Everybody shut up about his Dad. I love his Dad. Ravi sounds great on his own and of course there's echoes of John, but only as many as any other modern jazz tenor player you'll hear.
the coltrane family is historical ravi has his own sounds john has his own sounds eric dolphy has his own sounds pharoah sanders has his own sounds ravi has the sounds not from his father much but other tenor players like joe henderson wayne shorter pharoah sanders people like that
saw ravi with the blue note seven, and i'd have to say that i was most pleasantly surprised at how much he tore it up. i think i enjoyed his playing more than anybody else, personally. usually everybody sounded constricted by the amount of choruses they could play before the next musician came on. ravi coltrane just tore it up.
I know he's not his dad but that's what makes him so special. He's carrying Johns Legacy in his own grace and style. This man should be watched closely because I personally think we can expect great things from him like we already have.
Yeah... I hope he doesn't work himself to death like his father though. I mean if he did.. it would probably be amazing.. but is it entirely worth it.
It is sad to see the conversations above with the comparison of Ravi to John. As a sax player myself who credits a lot of my own style to John, There is something about Ravi that will bring up a sense of John but it is his own!. When I first heard Ravi, I didn't know his name, I just heard the music and had to find out who it was. There is a pureness in the soul of his music that was in John's music.
Just be grateful that we are blessed with his genius and sound!
Read the new Downbeat. It discusses how he is neither running his father's legacy, nor following it. He doesn't seem to be bothered by the comparisons at this point, but he is his own man and he's still developing.
he can't get our from underneath his dad's wings with everyone constantly comparing him to his Dad. Critique Ravi without mentioning Trane and see what you come up with. Listen man...he's got his own voice. He doesn't sound like his father!
Actually, he does in a way; but there's nothing wrong with that. It's in the genes (anatomy, etc.)--father had a good natural tone and so does the son. If anything his tone is actually better than his Dad's.
He's not his father. He's a great player in his own right, paying homage to his dad's influence on jazz and saxophone, but he's also an example of masters past and present such as Shorter, Joe Henderson, Lovano, Rollins, Stitt, Brecker, and others. And like most of us, he's looking for (and I think finding) his own voice. His music is more rhythmic (!) than his dad's and more sophisticated in the sense that it goes beyond the 60's into modern harmonic structures. Not as innovative, but inspired!
Ravi looks just like his Dad & sounds just like his Dad,I know that He's got a lot of pressure on him sometimes due to his Dad's reputation,As the Master,A lot is expected from Ravi musicially but Like they say sometimes The good Lord Works in mysterious ways through John's spirit Ravi shines through easily!
Touching his father's approach to music shows love and respect. It is not easy being the child of someone whose achievements are monumental. This song shows that Ravi does not take lightly his responsibility. John's music was so beautiful and so important to the evolution of our spiritual consciousness that many won't be able to access it at this time. But, it stands forever as a beacon to light the way for all who understand or feel the harmonic vibration.
This guy is like tongue tied rattle snake!!! And ma name is Nate..chase
HellzSmellz 3 days ago
Steady it steady
HellzSmellz 2 months ago
what piece is this? :)
johnny141093 2 months ago
MAN he understood his dad's music....probably better than anyone else..2nd would probably Mrs. Alice Coltrane
HellzSmellz 3 months ago
glad
HellzSmellz 4 months ago
can't you reply to comments anymore?? Damn..I've been off for a LONG time..they need ta put that back up
HellzSmellz 5 months ago
he sounds soooo much like his father. wow
bigwerm14 7 months ago
My 2 cents, no matter what you are shown in life it's all up to you to make it work. Here is a guy that has done two things, learn the mechanism of the horn, develop a set-up that let's him burn, and then learned how to play the music. No doubt that playing the horn has consumed a great amount of his life and it shows in that he has developed a personal style and conception. You don't get to play the horn on this level with out some sincere desire... and probably some sacrifice too.
claryscat 9 months ago
Who is on drums? Wondering about his main ride, sounds totally awesome.
zerekx 9 months ago
@zerekx The drummer is E.J. Strickland, who plays in his twin brother's quartet, Marcus Strickland (sax).
Both are New World School of the Arts high school graduates.
amadeus1252 9 months ago
Knowing his father through his music, is knowing his father..
Passion613 9 months ago
who's the bassist on this? They're great!
Hill88Studios 10 months ago
Ravi's music is so free. I love it... It's hard to imagine anyone else pulling this off.
eriknordinTV 11 months ago
he looks exactly like his dad. and he is great you can tell he's doing his own thing and not trying to be his father which is great
mjjcng8958 11 months ago
I first Ravi 30 years ago and he was good then, although rather conservative and introspective for my taste. Now, however, he is the real deal, among the most accomplished burning tenor players on the scene today and true to himself. No compromises here! A pure musician who draws you into his harmony. Bravo Ravi!
subtoner 1 year ago
wow he sounds like his dad
Baripres 1 year ago
you cannot compare the two and here is why. you will always be biased towards one or the other...most towards John because he is a legend. take them for what they are, amazing in every sense of the word.
jamesjdm 1 year ago
Can somebody tell me what the name of this song is?
barrioslim 1 year ago
STUPIDITY: COMPARISONS. ANALYSE ISOLATEDLY, PLEASE. ALL OF YOU THAT INSTST TO COMPARE, SEE... YOU WALK... YOUR FATHER DOES TOO... SHOULD BOTH WALKING STYLES BE COMPARED AND JUDGED? JUST WALK AND GET THERE. YOU'VE GOT A THING INSIDE YOUR UNDERPANTS... YOUR FATHER TOO.. SHOULD ITS USE OR SIZE BE COMPARED TO YOURS?? JUST HAVE FUN WITH YOURS AND PERIOD. DON´T WASTE YOUR TIME, JUST ENJOY THIS EXCELENT MUSIC.
gamgm7 1 year ago
@gamgm7 great way to put it.
mjjcng8958 11 months ago
Props to the drummers, he's really layin down
Coronas135 1 year ago
Wow Ravi!
londi009 1 year ago
He's no genius or legend, but that's OK. Just enjoy him.
auramac 1 year ago
Come see Ravi Coltrane at the Angele City Jazz Festival at the Ford Amphitheater in LA on 10/3.
susanvonseggern 1 year ago
i think the drummer deserves credit to, amazing playing
thescatterbrain123 1 year ago
Ravi has more ideas than his dad.
John is screeming ,begging,praying.and almost never sound happy.
Ravi goes very deep
zawi1956 1 year ago
i first heard this tune 8 years ago and still cant work out the form
nickotineNN1 1 year ago
this geezers got his own style man.
teetpiece 1 year ago
Ravi is going to play what makes him happy. He will continue to contribute himself and bring the qualities that make Ravi himself in whatever capacity we hear it as. Both John and Ravi have contributed something different, and both have been an influence on my musical quest.
jacob92486 1 year ago
ej strickland is sick
chigen5 1 year ago
My moneys on Rav *Like father like son.*
decus69 1 year ago
you can't compare him to trane because he's a completely different player than trane.
carolinagc23 1 year ago
Ravi is great, but you can't compare him with Trane, but then again: who can?!
abevink92 2 years ago
pharoah sanders is also played with john
whats your opinion about pharoah sanders
to me i think pharoah was damn tight and deep too
xtomokixx 2 years ago
yeah, totally! pharoah is great and has also a very unique style
abevink92 2 years ago
no one hate me for saying this but
one cant HELP but to compare John and Ravi. In the professional world if a father has a son that follow his footsteps he is compared as doctor, lawyer, etc with acheivements
Same applies even if one's father was a professional in the field of music
And I have to say, Ravi is an EXCELLENT artist but John goes way more deep in his playing. I didnt say he was worse, just saying John takes you to another level whereas Ravi makes you go "damn he's good"
TenorSaxBreed 2 years ago 4
@TenorSaxBreed
Dude...
this is jazz, you don't bring all that business/professional world shit into the arena... if that's the way you think you are not a true listener to this music, even though you may think you are. This is an art form and Ravi certainly contributes in his own way. You don't compare one artist to another in jazz. Maybe in other worlds, but not this one. Each plays his own way and if you are comparing, you ain't listening to the right music.
ilikethatyeah 1 year ago 3
@ilikethatyeah Well said...
G36n 1 year ago
@TenorSaxBreed
It was the stuff he took. You can't get that deep on your own. Your too aware of yourself- Every second. I'm sorry. Look at actors. They are all Uninteresting & Shallow. Its why I don't see Studio films. No One Digs Deep. Sad
eddiemambo 1 year ago
@TenorSaxBreed
By what objective standard.... or by what metric is "deep" measured?
It's laughable..... all these people who think they can demonstrate some objective truth about music.... an art form which will forever be a subjective matter of taste.
larkydozer 1 year ago
im a massive john coltrane fan but never really got into ravi, is he worth the listen?
Superdry1302 2 years ago
If you got a ear.. He has chop and flows with ideas. they are just different than pop's. I like to hear more praises for Luis perdomo, he a terror on Piano. inside out back in. comps very good and EJ on drums is more than just a time keeper. some of you need to listen more before you comment. once is not enough!
MrBlues2jazz 1 year ago
I just saw him yesterday with mccoy tyner, francisco mela and esperanza spalding. He was absolutely phenomenal!!! wish he got more playtime though
wwaacckk 2 years ago
some of these comments are amusing
funkytree827 2 years ago
yea, I saw him back in january with the blue note septet. It wasn't his best work. but also, the group didn't play stuff like this that spread out a little more. it was just marginal
Spaztronthemusicman 2 years ago
Ravi is Ravi and John is John. Every real musician knows that there is only one you, and that you can that you can only do the best that YOU can. In short, stop comparing him to his father because he is not his father.
Keytap15 2 years ago 12
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Ravi is a very very so so tener player. I know, I hear some cat calls from some wide eyed student types, but it's true...listen to his tone and ideas there is no real force coming out. I have heard this guy Live and on CD for 20 years now...and he just doesn't have passion coming out that horn...and that's a must!!!!
videolover61 2 years ago
Well he is pretty successful, soooo.....
Also the fame sorta came natural because of his Dad.
Personally I like him though.
vandoren59 2 years ago
yeah he is a nice guy...
videolover61 2 years ago
really...no... his not just as good as his father was and his playing the same style, so one keeps comparing...i think he is very good. i´d love to hear him play live...i have my sixties records in my collection, so i´ve no need for mainstream hardbop: it´s very seldom better. these cats do swing though.
vulvatronic 2 years ago
Ummm, that would be tenor. Not tener. You really know what you're talking about, don't you?
Alastair6 2 years ago
I made a little mistake in the spelling but I know what Im talking about, and this is from years of listening to this guy play LIVE. He's ok. It ain't a total put down. But without real fire and passion there is only notes....
videolover61 2 years ago
i hear a lot of soul in there
unclejunglebass 2 years ago
I hear a "little soul" in there...
videolover61 2 years ago
oh. im sorry to hear that.
unclejunglebass 2 years ago
it must suck being the son of a legend and never actually getting to grow up with him, i kind of feel sorry for Ravi in a way, being the son of a legend and only knowing him through his music and not actually getting to grow up with him...other than that, Ravi is a great saxophonist and should not be compared to his father, he is his own player and his own saxophone...his dad is proud of him i bet...
FreshMaverick 2 years ago 30
@FreshMaverick it must suck NOT being a son of a legend,cause if you are not rich enough,you'll not make it AT ALL!All we can see is sons,and daughters of this,and that - in arts,movies,and music. Ravi is a great musician,but if hes name is John Doe,I wonder who would be curious of him!Yes,people are hungry for good music,but the MEDIA is corrupt,and coward.Thing ain't what they used to be!
victorsethy 6 months ago
@victorsethy Money is NOT all it takes to be successful. If it was, then millons of famous artists would never have gained the spotlight. The Beatles were poor before they started. Louis Armstrong was poor before he started. 90% of famous artists were dirt poor when they started. Money does not guarantee your success.
Thundermonkeyms 6 months ago
@Thundermonkeyms You are right - it WAS like that.But not in the last 15-20 years!!!I'm a musician - a good one.Played with the best ones 20 years ago,touring in Europe,and USA,then moved back home to Hungary,doing something else (surviving)for couple of years.I have hundreds of thousands of listeners on the net today,but all answer I get from anyone music related person,or company,is: "GIMMEYORMONEY". (Tvs,producers,festivals,record companies,managers,ect...).
victorsethy 6 months ago
@victorsethy I hate to bring him into the picture, but look at someone such as Justin Bieber. He was poor before he started, now he's extremely rich.
Beefforyou 4 months ago
@victorsethy The fact that you say "I'm a musician - a good one" makes everything you say sound like an arrogant rant.
GarciaCornbread 1 week ago
@GarciaCornbread Well,I used to say the truth.I had a lot of problem telling the truth anyway,but I just can't act,like "oh,well,I'm just a tiny little noone from nowhere"...I won't say either,that "I'm the very best pianist on Earth".The fact is that I'm a musician - a good one. :)
victorsethy 1 week ago
@victorsethy
Get outta here w/ this nonsense.
meinLiebsterFeind 1 month ago
@FreshMaverick comparisons are essentially unavoidable and understandable considering the lineage. we often get to see correlation between musicians due to influence, but not often due to genetics. music and musical ability are very abstract concepts that people are able to notice and analyze. comparisons and even studies of genetic relationships in music could help us learn a lot about the brain and music.
however, ravi shouldn't be expected to "live up" to his father. ravi is his own person.
popomczowzow 4 months ago
@popomczowzow This should be top comment.
killerj0e 6 days ago
Ravi Coltrane, maddest dog that ever lived
Wateriser 2 years ago
EJ Strickland, one of thee Siccckkest drummers alive!!! See him live, he just kills it.
kingtechnorock 2 years ago
Yes! I saw him live in Chicago with Ravi a few years ago at the Jazz Showcase. It was so amazing, I went back again later in the week!
havivab 2 years ago
shit
schaemme 2 years ago
shit
roebu 2 years ago
Everybody shut up about his Dad. I love his Dad. Ravi sounds great on his own and of course there's echoes of John, but only as many as any other modern jazz tenor player you'll hear.
MilesTrane21 2 years ago 3
xtomokixx 2 years ago 2
I dunno! There's something about the music that rubs me the wrong way. It sounds like it's meant to be free but there is something constraining it.
osensei2987 2 years ago
Amazing band!!! Tanx for postin' this!
ken2ygar2et2 2 years ago
John who ?..... lol !
soular09 2 years ago
hmmm... no.
gamwizrd1 2 years ago
all comparisons to John Coltrane aside,this is a good band...
olivierbarjot 2 years ago 4
saw ravi with the blue note seven, and i'd have to say that i was most pleasantly surprised at how much he tore it up. i think i enjoyed his playing more than anybody else, personally. usually everybody sounded constricted by the amount of choruses they could play before the next musician came on. ravi coltrane just tore it up.
bl76204 2 years ago
Ha. At 3:25 ... those are his dads runs... on grand Central
Jazzman303 2 years ago
ravi is amazing! super creative and progressive, carrying on the legacy of john's innovations!
naxtea 2 years ago
I know he's not his dad but that's what makes him so special. He's carrying Johns Legacy in his own grace and style. This man should be watched closely because I personally think we can expect great things from him like we already have.
Jazzman5456 2 years ago
Yeah... I hope he doesn't work himself to death like his father though. I mean if he did.. it would probably be amazing.. but is it entirely worth it.
Jazzman303 2 years ago
you know what's hilarious? every single post (sadly including this one) mentions John Coltrane.
ObIWaNCaNoLi 3 years ago
It is sad to see the conversations above with the comparison of Ravi to John. As a sax player myself who credits a lot of my own style to John, There is something about Ravi that will bring up a sense of John but it is his own!. When I first heard Ravi, I didn't know his name, I just heard the music and had to find out who it was. There is a pureness in the soul of his music that was in John's music.
Just be grateful that we are blessed with his genius and sound!
I am!
SMOOTHATLANTAJAZZ 3 years ago
It seems like Ravi looks alot more like herbie hancock
turnerdj 3 years ago
Read the new Downbeat. It discusses how he is neither running his father's legacy, nor following it. He doesn't seem to be bothered by the comparisons at this point, but he is his own man and he's still developing.
lincland 3 years ago 3
Is this the father's sax?
topolinik 3 years ago
he can't get our from underneath his dad's wings with everyone constantly comparing him to his Dad. Critique Ravi without mentioning Trane and see what you come up with. Listen man...he's got his own voice. He doesn't sound like his father!
swingmo 3 years ago
i'm talking about his horn, not about his style.
topolinik 3 years ago
Actually, he does in a way; but there's nothing wrong with that. It's in the genes (anatomy, etc.)--father had a good natural tone and so does the son. If anything his tone is actually better than his Dad's.
soulconcern 2 years ago
He's not his father. He's a great player in his own right, paying homage to his dad's influence on jazz and saxophone, but he's also an example of masters past and present such as Shorter, Joe Henderson, Lovano, Rollins, Stitt, Brecker, and others. And like most of us, he's looking for (and I think finding) his own voice. His music is more rhythmic (!) than his dad's and more sophisticated in the sense that it goes beyond the 60's into modern harmonic structures. Not as innovative, but inspired!
jazzer4life 3 years ago
I think people can enjoy his genius if you separate him from his dad!
altonoir 3 years ago
Ravi looks just like his Dad & sounds just like his Dad,I know that He's got a lot of pressure on him sometimes due to his Dad's reputation,As the Master,A lot is expected from Ravi musicially but Like they say sometimes The good Lord Works in mysterious ways through John's spirit Ravi shines through easily!
Oldskoolmusiclvr62 3 years ago
:] this is a masterpiece! ravi is following the steps of his dad! :D this is so amazing!
gigijazzygirl 3 years ago
drew gress is a great bass player. we need more of him on youtube.
jazzcombo251 3 years ago
Touching his father's approach to music shows love and respect. It is not easy being the child of someone whose achievements are monumental. This song shows that Ravi does not take lightly his responsibility. John's music was so beautiful and so important to the evolution of our spiritual consciousness that many won't be able to access it at this time. But, it stands forever as a beacon to light the way for all who understand or feel the harmonic vibration.
Many, many thanks to mati377.
lljtam1960 3 years ago