Why Music Education Belongs in Public Schools

[lucidlark]

i'm quitting berklee

[MattyTheMole]

Education in general, first starts in the home. If parents are careless about education then their children are going struggle and eventually those childrens struggles becomes a teachers responsibility which in the end fails because the US public school system only knows how to teach one type of student on one type of curriculum. When it comes learning, music programs are a good example. Anybody ever had a teacher say " Look at the person to your left and right, they may not be here tomorrow"?

[jamiethebandgeek]

Not all music educators are selfish. Many put in several extra hours a week, often without pay, to help their students with whatever they need. I'll agree that there probably are some selfish music educators out there, but the same can be said for any educator or extra curricular teacher or ANY profession. You may have had a bad experience with one or a few music teachers, but not all of us are like that.

[moderndaywarriorAZ]

@jamiethebandgeek Of course not all music educators are selfish. Duh. I believe that the non-selfish music educators are greatly outnumbered. If most music educators instilled respect and appreciation for music in their students, bars and restaurants that have live jazz would be full of people as well as symphony concert halls. Yet, our symphony halls are empty as well as any place that has live jazz. Where are all the people in this country who were in band or orchestra? They don't care.

[Krysta52]

@moderndaywarriorAZ some are in college going for music degrees. :)

[CCCTrumpet]

While studying trumpet at The Juilliard School, one of my senior classmates, a trumpeter also, graduated and promptly joined the Navy to fly jets.

How did he transition from Juilliard to landing jets on a boat? Discipline, determination, diligence, nerve and drive. Where did he learn those skills? By studying music.

While in flight school with classmates with engineering degrees, this trumpeter from Juilliard kept up with them by employing his superlative study and concentration skills he d

[moderndaywarriorAZ]

@CCCTrumpet Of course, there are many non-musical benefits to playing a musical instrument that can be applied to non-musical careers. I just believe that there should be some musical benefits to playing a musical instrument. I don't believe there are any musical differences between the average adult who played a musical instrument and the adult who didn't. The adult who played an instrument in school is no more likely to listen to recorded or live instrumental music or support music education.

[SBColton]

Peyton Manning?

[ditroiamusic]

I don't think sports are in any where near as much jeopardy as music education! At least not in my area! But he brings up some great points.

[moderndaywarriorAZ]

This video is great. But, unfortunately music education is in trouble because music educators do not instill any respect or appreciation for music in their students. Most music educators are only concerned with using their students for things like impressing parents, impressing their peers, winning competitions, and getting high scores and ratings at music festivals. Music educators are killing music education with their selfishness.

[lenkaolenka]

Of cause, it is important to learn and teach music, but current approaches are waste. They fail most of students.

[FireGuyX]

This guy is one fucking asshole. The problem in public schools is not the lack of music education, the problem in academia is the public schools itself. This guy believes in his own delusional propaganda. The idea that learning music will somehow make everyone magically better in academics is nonsense. If someone wants to learn music than that's their choice. It shouldn't be shoved down peoples throats. Besides private tutors are much better than music classes anyway.

[saxaphoneboy92]

@FireGuyX

You make music education sound so negative. There is no problem with schools not having music education. The problem is that students have a difficulty learning in an environment without music. Music is so influential in our world and is a cause of many successes in our world. I'm not saying that music education is mandatory, I am saying that studies have shown that music education not only helps but prevents many problems that students have in learning subjects. 

[dspi2772]

@FireGuyX - You are a very sad human being. I pity your ignorance which is unfortunately combined with an obviously aggressive behavioral condition. If you don't like what he is saying, just simply go away.

[FireGuyX]

@dspi2772 I am sad? You don't even know me, Mr dspi2772. As far as I can you are just a worthless piece of shit behind that computer of yours, go the fuck away.

[nopeify]

@FireGuyX Judging by your grammar and conventions, you could have used some Music Ed to enrich your academic experience. You can say whatever you like, but the fact of the matter is that there is proof, scientific studies, that show that music education is beneficial to a child's development. You want to tell everyone else that they are being ignorant, but you are the only one ignoring the facts when they are so clearly presented to you.

[FireGuyX]

@nopeify My grammar isn't perfect, so what? If you're going to judge my intelligence on grammar, than you just proved my point, you are nothing more than a trash talking loser on youtube. You have no proof, I took music classes during my K-12 experience, it didn't help me enrich my academics at all. The problem with public schools is the bureaucracy itself. There is plenty of evidence that public schools actually do more harm than good, but that is a whole different topic.

[FireGuyX]

@dspi2772 Also I have a right to disagree with his opinion. You could think of me as whatever you want, but I'm not good evil or ignorant as you think I am, you ignorant fool.

[MetalMouth09]

@FireGuyX You were probably one of those people that were just there, weren't you? Maybe you're just out of touch, because if you take this video to the extent of "The idea that learning music will somehow make everyone magically better in academics is nonsense.". Nothing is a quick fix, and he's not saying it is. He's promoting music education, which is the whole point of the video.

[FireGuyX]

@MetalMouth09 Oh I get it. He's promoting music education as an academic tool, to help students in their academic performance. As "good" as that sounds, the idea behind it is pointless.

[MetalMouth09]

@FireGuyX Maybe to you it is pointless, but I really don't feel that way. Band was the reason I went to school, it was what made me more social and self-disciplined todo my best in everything I have to do, and yes, that includes things I dislike. I had a great teacher that tried his best to prepare me for real world stuff. It's tough, it's competitive, and our field is under appreciated. It's not for everyone, just like strict academic drilling wasn't for me and so many others I know.

[melissblissers]

"give me your money give me your money give me your money"

[musicedresources]

We've heard it all before but Roger, you say it so well. I have the privilege of working across a system of 76 schools in Western Sydney, Australia as a leading music educator and one of the challenges we face in Australia is that our government has setup a website that measures school's performance according to a national standardized test. I know of schools that are cutting back on music programs to try and increase test results when we most need to increase enrichment through music.

[onlyallegra]

Wow... Considering the fact that I was a music education student, I truly appreciate this! Especially liked the argument he makes at 2:30. Everyone needs to see this! I have to graduate early, so I had to drop the education minor. I plan to substitute teach until I have the opportunity to go back for my education certification. And, until I am a certified music teacher, I will squeeze some music into anything that I teach if I can help it!

[benzoblack]

Right on so many levels...

[moderndaywarriorAZ]

Unfortunately music education is in trouble because music educators do not instill any respect or appreciation for music in their students. Most music educators are only concerned with using their students for things like impressing parents, impressing their peers, winning competitions, and getting high scores and ratings at music festivals. Music educators are killing music education with their selfishness. Look up Music Education Extinction on youtube.

[dspi2772]

@moderndaywarriorAZ Wow, sounds like you lost one-to-many music festivals before you figured it out. Congrats. But now, let the others figure it out without being so hostile! Your lack of an alternative makes the only option of dropping all public school music. Now how many students are you reaching?

[moderndaywarriorAZ]

@dspi2772 If we wait for music educators to "figure it out" on their own, it will be too late. They are far too ignorant and narrow-minded. There is no support for music education because music educators are not producing students who support music education. If people who were in band or orchestra in school do not support band and orchestra in school, who will? Do you really think the person who played football in school will support music education?

[ryanchris2009]

@moderndaywarriorAZ I was in our marching band in high school, in fact i was the Drum Major my senior year. And being the drum major meant that I was constantly interacting with parents, alumni, and sponsors of the band. I spoke to many sponsors and alumni who either played football when they were in high school or had a child who played football (and had no child in the band) who supported the band. Many of our top supporters never touched an instrument in their life. Don't count them all out.

[moderndaywarriorAZ]

@ryanchris2009 I don't count them all out, just 99.999999999999% of them.

[dhyrumvaughn]

I'm thinking Whatisthescore's resentment toward Berklee is either 1), he applied and got rejected because they wouldn't let him major in Guitar Hero or 2), he got dumped by a co-ed there. That's all I got. As a music educator I think there ought to be more music institutions for higher learning in this country. But I supposed that makes means I'm weak-minded and have been scammed. Go cram it, dude. Go back to pumping icees at the 7-11. I'll keep my music, thanks!

[Geischfelt96]

Workin at 7/11 isnt so baaaaad :)

I certainly hope people come to their senses about this. Cuz im gonna be out of a job before i even get out there at this rate!

[navychick88]

I'm writing a paper about Elementary Music curriculum's in Canada, and found out that Ontario is the ONLY place in NORTH AMERICA where an educator teaching music DOES NOT have to be specifically trained in music! How pathetic is that!?

[braddudeguy]

Very pathetic. But that's awesome cause I could get a job as a music teacher in Toronto easier than here in Winnipeg!!

[meeshter24]

@navychick88 I live really close to Ontario. I never heard this. Wow, that does sounds strange

[Whatisthescore]

Berklee's a scam people. Don't by the hype.

[tubadawg1]

I think you mean "buy"

perhaps with a little more music study that English stuff would have stuck!!

[POLYMORPHLEGION]

AMEN...

[hawkinman18]

Amen! I agree with that 100 %! I just got done doing a paper advocating for Music Education in American School, and this man proves the point of my paper. Without the arts, especially music, many people have no hope for learning! Support your Music Education!!!

[princessofjesus93]

awsome!!!