what will happen native women demand their lands back from educational & institutions who have stolen them-women land collectives which is the basis of their cultures -and what will happen when women-slaves refuse to grow food of academic&professionals-too overworked by those who study them for their own profit career courses-first lets free our slaves from starving by returning lands which is needed to overcome domination by landowners-will you & your friends join in womens farm collectives?
I've been working on the academic women for decades now to pay attention to the Indigenous histories, heritages, and models of what free womanhood looks like. Class and racial caste are truly rifts that sink that cause. Divide and conquer has worked in a hundred ways, dividing women from women along ethnic lines, and people from people too.
@maxdashu why dont academic women stop searching and start doing-have you thought of giving up status so you can join iroquois women s longhouses? if not-are women slaves supposed to continue feeding these academic slave-driving women-or can we simply take back our lands-and their excess money (we never voted for their salaries and jobs) solutions are simple-women farmers dont need to be studied-just joined
@lmollot What makes you think i'm an academic? i have no degrees and have always been a grassroots educator. What i do is for love, certainly not money. the positive feedback i get from ordinary women, including indigenous and African diaspora women, is my measure of the worth of what i'm doing. Knowledge about our roots is the birthright of all women. Without it we are cut off from our positive heritages, and we need those to overcome the cultures of dominion.
@maxdashu thank you- my goal was not to blame any woman of searching rather than taking action -but rather to let those minority women (those living in excess) know that they cause suffering by denying equality for the majority of women who serve them-wouldnt it be great if we helped give power to the matriarchy clans by JOINING them?grow our own food-so that slaves dont have to do it for us,overwork,lose lands & child-would any women you know be willing to join the womens farm collectives soon?
DAWES ACT OF 1867 USA- NATIVE WOMEN SAID- "NOW that land collectives are illegal-this puts indian woman her children as dependent on the man as white women are"- academic feminists are only interested in their own careers and refuse to join together to buy land collectives- ego and greed staus unequal; classes between women censor the base of matriarchies- their land collectives- do like the umoja village for future generations thru land power
@lmollot Agreed. Academic Women's Studies, in general, has paid little attention to Indian women, sovereignty and rights struggles, or the cultural positives either. Explains why Andrea Smith had to fight for tenure. I've been pounding on their door for several decades about this. Land power: yes, but getting the money is hard.
@maxdashu academic women refuse to leave their career status to JOIN in communal longhouse-native women clans-that stops equality among women& academic women keep many women slaves to grow their food/make their clothes etc etc etc-one university needs entire southern city of slaves&entire forests-please come and grow your OWN FOOD /CLOTHES so we women slaves can take back our communal lands stolen by institutions-so have time to care & teach our own children &grow only our food/clothes-equality
I would also like to thank you a lot Max Dashu for this very interesting information! And I would also like to know wether the situation has become better among the academic scholars, after you commented Cynthia Ellers Myth-book in your article: "Knocking down strawdolls"?
It's still pretty tough. There are exceptions, but New York University just put on an exhibition on "Old Europe" without a single female speaker in the lecture lineup, and borrowing Gimbutas' terminology while basically ignoring her. Attention to indigenous paradigms is still pretty low, although some important American Indian theoreticians such as Andrea Smith and Barbara Mann are making an impact, and i think this will increase.
One of the big sticking points has been the claim that talking about gender egalitarian societies in the ancient past is just a utopian fantasy --but since some have survived into our times, against tremendous odds, they have got to start dealing with those realities.
Also if you have not noticed women and children are by enlarge the beneficiaries of male sacrifices.
Male destructivness is in proportion if not infinitesimal to male constructiveness. If men did mainly harm with our aggression we would be in a world of shit. Men are designed to utilize resources to support life. To build and support, provide and protect. This is male aggression at its finest and the side of his aggression that is most predominant
We are in a world of shit, with global warfare, planetary destruction, economic collapse, and epidemic violence against women, so i guess that proves male aggression has done tremendous harm.
Male constructiveness is not the issue here. The issue is FEMALE constructiveness throughout history which has been ignored or denied. As a man, I myself am not ashamed to admit the problem of women's contributions being ignored in history. Of course the ideal man is one who sacrifices for women and children, but you can't deny that most of what is written in history especially Western history is the opposite-- innocent men, women, and children being sacrificed for the greed and power of men!
Take your complaint to the men who rule. War and draft are men's business, women did not impose these. If you'll recall, we didn't even have the vote 100 years ago. Law, medicine, religion, all public spheres of power were restricted to men. Even now Congress is only 17% female, and we've had only two female Justices on Supreme Court. The wrongs done to men are perpetrated by men. Women do most of the life support work, of course we deserve the vote. It's not just for soldiers.
The leaders are irrelevent. This is a representitive democracy and woman themselves have say to which leaders their will be. Take your complaints to the woman who like men, have chosen their representitives; for better reasons then what gender they have. Similarly, woman can choose violent leaders, and men would be forced to die for their choices. That's not fair, and it makes men second-class citizens. It makes them slaves to the choices of women.
Women have had the vote for less than 80 years. You're talking about structures put in place long before that, entirely by men. Men are forced to die for choices made by ruling men, which harm everyone. Plus the government is controlled by powerful lobbies, run by the wealth overwhelmingly controlled by men. You aren't listening and i'm through talking to you. I'm not going to approve any more of your deluded comments. Goodbye.
First of all, the video is about traditional cultures where women are accorded power regardless of actual politics, NOT about our U.S. political system. Last time I checked, in our republic it should not matter what sex the leader is but what the leader can do. What's this talk about men being 2nd class citizens or slaves?? With what's going on in the government that is already happening because of MEN in power regardless of political power.
YES I am all for Matriarchy 100%! When you say that some men automatically think it is their doom. What it is is the RISE OF BALANCE AND COMMON SENSE..ROFL!
The difference being that civilization did not burgeon until individuals, particularly males had incentive to produce. Communistic social groups are and were virtually stagnant in production of technologies. When resources became a factor of competition and necessity between communistic and non communistic groups the capitalist societies conquered them. Feminist theory is largely based in Marxist theory.
No, it's based on principles of basic justice. Leave off the McCarthyism, this has nothing to do with state communism. What you call civilization is implicated in the state use of men as soldiers in war, which you are against. So your arguments are self-contradictory.
You are totally wrong! Civilization as we know it is the result of food production (agriculture) which was invented by WOMEN! Early technologies like pottery and cloth-making also by women. You know, 'necessity is the MOTHER of invention'. Last, egalitarianism should NOT be confused with socialism where everything is centrally run! All societies are composed of autonomous units called 'families' which produced for itself and traded with others. Is this not the very beginning of capitalism?!
@LordInit not all societies are vased on families units- the longhouses were based on grandmothers clan groups-including the sisters of the grandmothers-ones family did not exist-only the large clan of mothers-thats did away the need to invent "illegitimate"(not legal "illegal) children persecuted as criminals -b/c all children were born so all children have a mother and belong to her clan-very secure for children if a parent dies-child belongs/remains in clans cared by grandmothers-during war
You are totally wrong! Civilization as we know it is the result of food production (agriculture) which was invented by WOMEN! Early technologies like pottery and cloth-making also by women. You know, 'necessity is the MOTHER of invention'. Last, egalitarianism should NOT be confused with socialism where everything is centrally run! All societies are composed of autonomous units called 'families' which produced for itself and traded with others. Is this not the very beginning of capitalism?!
Also, how is feminism based on Marxism? Feminism is the notion that women are of equal value to men. Your accusation of Marxism are like those against blacks and other peoples of color's struggle for civil rights! Marxism was founded by a MAN- Karl Marx and its most loyal followers were all men from Lenin to Mao. Marxist ideology denies individual rights which is something unthinkable in matricentered egalitarian societies. Also there is nothing theoretical about it as the video clearly shows!
Interesting, but such social dynamics can only exist in socialistic and communistic social groups. Humans have not been able to manage communism on a large scale or populous because power of the state can not coexist with autonomous family structures. In which case we are to square one, a return to communal groups.
Max!Would you mind if I ask what is your descent? Dashu sounds intriguing.
Thanks to the Great Mother for this new course the discipline of History has taken. It enriches us all. I am convinced that there are Matriarchal roots to the Jews and to the European peoples too. Maybe to the Arabs too. Anty-women comments, rules and myths (such as the silly myth about the creation of Eve from the rib of Adam) are, to my mind, a patriarchal attempt to uproot Matriarchal legacy.)
Dashu is a nickname, I'm from various Celtic, Dutch, Danish, French and Sephardic backgrounds.
Some of the Arabs were still matrilocal in Muhammad's day, and some of the clan names are matrilineal in origin. See Robertson Smith on this, and David Bakan's And They Took Themselves Wives for Jewish matrilineal origins. Also check the Suppressed Histories main page, left side, for link to more info on mother-right societies.
Both, although i prefer to say mother-right or matrix society because people assume that matriarchy is the reverse of patriarchy. There is no society where women dominate and oppress men. What we need to know is that there are cultures where women are free. Patriarchies enforce a sexual double standard that privileges men over women, using violent punishments to keep females in line. In mother-right men also have power, but not control over women. Ideals of balance of power and non-agrression.
For years I have been holding the view that there must have been matriarchal societies in the world. Max Dashu! By your research you empower me. Keep up the great work.
Thanks, Max Dashu. It is wonderful that you answered me.
The present work of our learnt pheminists is heart warming. At last a spiritual women's culture in the making! could you recommend professional literature on matriarchal phenomena?
The best book is Barbara Mann's Iroquoian Women, from the inside, expert, smart and funny too. Maria Lepowsky, Fruit of the Motherland, Gender in an Egalitarian Society (Pacific Islands). Peggy Reeves Sanday, Women at the Center, on Minangkabau in Sumatra. Also look for Mosuo (google Lamu Gatusa), Pueblo societies, Chewa, Goba, Kuna, Tuareg. Much of this information is scattered. My slideshow Mother-Right and Gender Justice pulls together a global picture of this, and a book is coming in future.
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ukgreaterlondon 6 months ago in playlist Goddess
what will happen native women demand their lands back from educational & institutions who have stolen them-women land collectives which is the basis of their cultures -and what will happen when women-slaves refuse to grow food of academic&professionals-too overworked by those who study them for their own profit career courses-first lets free our slaves from starving by returning lands which is needed to overcome domination by landowners-will you & your friends join in womens farm collectives?
lmollot 11 months ago
I've been working on the academic women for decades now to pay attention to the Indigenous histories, heritages, and models of what free womanhood looks like. Class and racial caste are truly rifts that sink that cause. Divide and conquer has worked in a hundred ways, dividing women from women along ethnic lines, and people from people too.
maxdashu 1 year ago
@maxdashu why dont academic women stop searching and start doing-have you thought of giving up status so you can join iroquois women s longhouses? if not-are women slaves supposed to continue feeding these academic slave-driving women-or can we simply take back our lands-and their excess money (we never voted for their salaries and jobs) solutions are simple-women farmers dont need to be studied-just joined
lmollot 1 year ago
@lmollot What makes you think i'm an academic? i have no degrees and have always been a grassroots educator. What i do is for love, certainly not money. the positive feedback i get from ordinary women, including indigenous and African diaspora women, is my measure of the worth of what i'm doing. Knowledge about our roots is the birthright of all women. Without it we are cut off from our positive heritages, and we need those to overcome the cultures of dominion.
maxdashu 1 year ago
@maxdashu thank you- my goal was not to blame any woman of searching rather than taking action -but rather to let those minority women (those living in excess) know that they cause suffering by denying equality for the majority of women who serve them-wouldnt it be great if we helped give power to the matriarchy clans by JOINING them?grow our own food-so that slaves dont have to do it for us,overwork,lose lands & child-would any women you know be willing to join the womens farm collectives soon?
lmollot 1 year ago
DAWES ACT OF 1867 USA- NATIVE WOMEN SAID- "NOW that land collectives are illegal-this puts indian woman her children as dependent on the man as white women are"- academic feminists are only interested in their own careers and refuse to join together to buy land collectives- ego and greed staus unequal; classes between women censor the base of matriarchies- their land collectives- do like the umoja village for future generations thru land power
lmollot 1 year ago
@lmollot Agreed. Academic Women's Studies, in general, has paid little attention to Indian women, sovereignty and rights struggles, or the cultural positives either. Explains why Andrea Smith had to fight for tenure. I've been pounding on their door for several decades about this. Land power: yes, but getting the money is hard.
maxdashu 1 year ago
@maxdashu academic women refuse to leave their career status to JOIN in communal longhouse-native women clans-that stops equality among women& academic women keep many women slaves to grow their food/make their clothes etc etc etc-one university needs entire southern city of slaves&entire forests-please come and grow your OWN FOOD /CLOTHES so we women slaves can take back our communal lands stolen by institutions-so have time to care & teach our own children &grow only our food/clothes-equality
lmollot 1 year ago
I would also like to thank you a lot Max Dashu for this very interesting information! And I would also like to know wether the situation has become better among the academic scholars, after you commented Cynthia Ellers Myth-book in your article: "Knocking down strawdolls"?
kallik2000 2 years ago
It's still pretty tough. There are exceptions, but New York University just put on an exhibition on "Old Europe" without a single female speaker in the lecture lineup, and borrowing Gimbutas' terminology while basically ignoring her. Attention to indigenous paradigms is still pretty low, although some important American Indian theoreticians such as Andrea Smith and Barbara Mann are making an impact, and i think this will increase.
maxdashu 1 year ago
One of the big sticking points has been the claim that talking about gender egalitarian societies in the ancient past is just a utopian fantasy --but since some have survived into our times, against tremendous odds, they have got to start dealing with those realities.
maxdashu 1 year ago
Also if you have not noticed women and children are by enlarge the beneficiaries of male sacrifices.
Male destructivness is in proportion if not infinitesimal to male constructiveness. If men did mainly harm with our aggression we would be in a world of shit. Men are designed to utilize resources to support life. To build and support, provide and protect. This is male aggression at its finest and the side of his aggression that is most predominant
Red0660 2 years ago
We are in a world of shit, with global warfare, planetary destruction, economic collapse, and epidemic violence against women, so i guess that proves male aggression has done tremendous harm.
maxdashu 1 year ago
Male constructiveness is not the issue here. The issue is FEMALE constructiveness throughout history which has been ignored or denied. As a man, I myself am not ashamed to admit the problem of women's contributions being ignored in history. Of course the ideal man is one who sacrifices for women and children, but you can't deny that most of what is written in history especially Western history is the opposite-- innocent men, women, and children being sacrificed for the greed and power of men!
LordInit 1 year ago
Take your complaint to the men who rule. War and draft are men's business, women did not impose these. If you'll recall, we didn't even have the vote 100 years ago. Law, medicine, religion, all public spheres of power were restricted to men. Even now Congress is only 17% female, and we've had only two female Justices on Supreme Court. The wrongs done to men are perpetrated by men. Women do most of the life support work, of course we deserve the vote. It's not just for soldiers.
maxdashu 2 years ago
The leaders are irrelevent. This is a representitive democracy and woman themselves have say to which leaders their will be. Take your complaints to the woman who like men, have chosen their representitives; for better reasons then what gender they have. Similarly, woman can choose violent leaders, and men would be forced to die for their choices. That's not fair, and it makes men second-class citizens. It makes them slaves to the choices of women.
mattcg90 2 years ago
Women have had the vote for less than 80 years. You're talking about structures put in place long before that, entirely by men. Men are forced to die for choices made by ruling men, which harm everyone. Plus the government is controlled by powerful lobbies, run by the wealth overwhelmingly controlled by men. You aren't listening and i'm through talking to you. I'm not going to approve any more of your deluded comments. Goodbye.
maxdashu 2 years ago
First of all, the video is about traditional cultures where women are accorded power regardless of actual politics, NOT about our U.S. political system. Last time I checked, in our republic it should not matter what sex the leader is but what the leader can do. What's this talk about men being 2nd class citizens or slaves?? With what's going on in the government that is already happening because of MEN in power regardless of political power.
LordInit 1 year ago
YES I am all for Matriarchy 100%! When you say that some men automatically think it is their doom. What it is is the RISE OF BALANCE AND COMMON SENSE..ROFL!
TheGoddessNetworks 2 years ago
The difference being that civilization did not burgeon until individuals, particularly males had incentive to produce. Communistic social groups are and were virtually stagnant in production of technologies. When resources became a factor of competition and necessity between communistic and non communistic groups the capitalist societies conquered them. Feminist theory is largely based in Marxist theory.
Red0660 2 years ago
No, it's based on principles of basic justice. Leave off the McCarthyism, this has nothing to do with state communism. What you call civilization is implicated in the state use of men as soldiers in war, which you are against. So your arguments are self-contradictory.
maxdashu 2 years ago
You are totally wrong! Civilization as we know it is the result of food production (agriculture) which was invented by WOMEN! Early technologies like pottery and cloth-making also by women. You know, 'necessity is the MOTHER of invention'. Last, egalitarianism should NOT be confused with socialism where everything is centrally run! All societies are composed of autonomous units called 'families' which produced for itself and traded with others. Is this not the very beginning of capitalism?!
LordInit 1 year ago
@LordInit not all societies are vased on families units- the longhouses were based on grandmothers clan groups-including the sisters of the grandmothers-ones family did not exist-only the large clan of mothers-thats did away the need to invent "illegitimate"(not legal "illegal) children persecuted as criminals -b/c all children were born so all children have a mother and belong to her clan-very secure for children if a parent dies-child belongs/remains in clans cared by grandmothers-during war
lmollot 11 months ago
You are totally wrong! Civilization as we know it is the result of food production (agriculture) which was invented by WOMEN! Early technologies like pottery and cloth-making also by women. You know, 'necessity is the MOTHER of invention'. Last, egalitarianism should NOT be confused with socialism where everything is centrally run! All societies are composed of autonomous units called 'families' which produced for itself and traded with others. Is this not the very beginning of capitalism?!
LordInit 1 year ago
Also, how is feminism based on Marxism? Feminism is the notion that women are of equal value to men. Your accusation of Marxism are like those against blacks and other peoples of color's struggle for civil rights! Marxism was founded by a MAN- Karl Marx and its most loyal followers were all men from Lenin to Mao. Marxist ideology denies individual rights which is something unthinkable in matricentered egalitarian societies. Also there is nothing theoretical about it as the video clearly shows!
LordInit 1 year ago
Interesting, but such social dynamics can only exist in socialistic and communistic social groups. Humans have not been able to manage communism on a large scale or populous because power of the state can not coexist with autonomous family structures. In which case we are to square one, a return to communal groups.
Red0660 2 years ago
Thank you for the knowelge. Blessings.
milliondollarwinner 3 years ago
Thanks!!
Nogah100 3 years ago
Max!Would you mind if I ask what is your descent? Dashu sounds intriguing.
Thanks to the Great Mother for this new course the discipline of History has taken. It enriches us all. I am convinced that there are Matriarchal roots to the Jews and to the European peoples too. Maybe to the Arabs too. Anty-women comments, rules and myths (such as the silly myth about the creation of Eve from the rib of Adam) are, to my mind, a patriarchal attempt to uproot Matriarchal legacy.)
Nogah100 3 years ago
Dashu is a nickname, I'm from various Celtic, Dutch, Danish, French and Sephardic backgrounds.
Some of the Arabs were still matrilocal in Muhammad's day, and some of the clan names are matrilineal in origin. See Robertson Smith on this, and David Bakan's And They Took Themselves Wives for Jewish matrilineal origins. Also check the Suppressed Histories main page, left side, for link to more info on mother-right societies.
maxdashu 3 years ago
Are they matriarchys or egalitarian?
Supplebeak 3 years ago
Both, although i prefer to say mother-right or matrix society because people assume that matriarchy is the reverse of patriarchy. There is no society where women dominate and oppress men. What we need to know is that there are cultures where women are free. Patriarchies enforce a sexual double standard that privileges men over women, using violent punishments to keep females in line. In mother-right men also have power, but not control over women. Ideals of balance of power and non-agrression.
maxdashu 3 years ago
I was astounded and deeply pleased.
For years I have been holding the view that there must have been matriarchal societies in the world. Max Dashu! By your research you empower me. Keep up the great work.
Nogah100 3 years ago
Thank you. That is why I do it...
Max
maxdashu 3 years ago
Thanks, Max Dashu. It is wonderful that you answered me.
The present work of our learnt pheminists is heart warming. At last a spiritual women's culture in the making! could you recommend professional literature on matriarchal phenomena?
Nogah100 3 years ago
The best book is Barbara Mann's Iroquoian Women, from the inside, expert, smart and funny too. Maria Lepowsky, Fruit of the Motherland, Gender in an Egalitarian Society (Pacific Islands). Peggy Reeves Sanday, Women at the Center, on Minangkabau in Sumatra. Also look for Mosuo (google Lamu Gatusa), Pueblo societies, Chewa, Goba, Kuna, Tuareg. Much of this information is scattered. My slideshow Mother-Right and Gender Justice pulls together a global picture of this, and a book is coming in future.
maxdashu 3 years ago
Phenomenally important information. Great to reclaim our story. This DVD is powerful and empowering. Mahalo for your work, Max!
Cha Smith, Honolulu
cms774 3 years ago