The provisional movement are no longer a republican movement. They are now constitutional nationalists administering British rule from the puppet parliament in stormont. Traitors and quislings all of them.
@godbrother10 You don't seem to know what Irish republicanism is, you are confusing it with constitutional nationalism. They have admitted themselves they administer British rule and are now a constitutional party. They are not revolutionary, the British gov who have them in their pockets even invite their members to speak at the Tory party conference. Bobby sands would be proud..
@IrishRepubIicanArmy Adaption is not betrayal and present politics is not a denial of previous resistance.
Problem with these so-called dissidents is that in place of 'a strategy rooted in objective reality' they have ideology: in place of ambition they have obstinacy- making them unable to distinguish tactic from cherished principle. All they offer is simple and bloody solutions to complex problems.
Revolutionaries cannot be frightened by change: fear of change is not revolutionary.
@IrishRepubIicanArmy Please don't envoke the opinion of dead patriots ... neither you nor I can say which course they would have taken and it is an insult to their memories to use them as cheap tools in petty arguments.
@godbrother10 You were not afraid to envoke the opinion of James Connolly at the end of the video but you left out the end of the quote to suit your own agenda. Adams and Co's branch of Sinn Féin are not revolutionaries, they are constitutionals copying the Irish parliamentary party FF or the SDLP so called strategies. There is no change or nothing new in the same old methods used for hundreds of years. Supporting British rule in ireland is not revolutionary its a regressive step.
@IrishRepubIicanArmy Dissident supporters like you are playing right into british hands. Nothing suits the Brits better, operationally, financially and propaganda-wise than to have a very low-intensity armed campaign to contend with. It provides a containable counter-insurgency laboratory to hone their skills for other adventures overseas. The decision to site MI5's massive headquarters in the six counties only confirms this.
@godbrother10 Prior to the 1994 cease-fire Adams was dismissed by British commentators as “Mr 10%”. As it stands Sinn Fein have 29 MLAs, 14 TDs, 3 Senators, 5 MPs and a MEP and hundreds of councillors across the island. Republican fortunes have been transformed: changed utterly and with them the political landscape of the island as a whole. And consequently the new phase of struggle will for the first time since partition, return to an all an Ireland dimension....
@godbrother10 Since the Provisional IRA's 1997 ceasefire, "dissident republicans" have killed 2 policemen, 2 soldiers and 31 civilians. So 11.5% of the people they are responsible for killing were legitimate targets (in their eyes at least), and 88.5% of them were innocent bystanders. Of course, these "dissidents" are the same people who regarded standing for election as a 'deviation from principle' , coming off the no-work-protest as a 'sellout' and the cease-fire a 'surrender'.
@godbrother10 It is often alleged by "dissidents" that Sinn Fein is actually helping to implement British rule in the north. This is false in more ways than one. Sinn Fein members have had to take no oath of allegiance to the crown (unlike their counterparts in Scotland and Wales); they give no other featly to it; and they implement no policy and reform no act (including flag-flying) which will serve to confirm or consolidate Crown rule.
@godbrother10 Provisional Sinn Féin have are implemting Tory cuts and implementing British rule from Stormont. Francie Molloy stated this himself when he said ''We are really prepared to administer British rule in Ireland''. Everything passed in the assembly is given royal assent by the Queen of England to become law. It is a British parliament in occupied Ireland. If Sinn Féin members publicly admit to administering crown rule in Ireland, it shows how feeble your argument is.
@IrishRepubIicanArmy he said those comments in a bid to keep loyalists in the process ... tactical flattery shall we say ... speak to him or any Republican in private and they'll tell you the score. The Peace Process is a road map to a United Ireland.
@godbrother10 Crown rule in Ireland is being administered from Stormont, that is fact. They even support the colonial police to make sure British laws are adhered to and implemented. It's the complete opposite of Irish republicanism.
@buckodcelt The name says it all really. A republic represents the wants of the people. the people then choose their own future and it is not dictated to them by the crown. In Irelands case the crown was in another land. It had no idea who the Irish people were or their wants and difficulties. The Irish were used by said crown as cannon fodder for Enfglands wars and slave labour for their industries.
@fallzskin want's of a people;-), a republican lol, who are the people today then?,the irish people 20% percent of children in this nation are non irish now, thats in ten years:-)....
i'm sure the irish back in the day the irish wanted to go to war for England, and the many of my friends are used as slaves in foreign industries built in ireland, which are fucken off to nations with cheaper labour... ;-)
@buckodcelt I was describing a Republic in general terms. As to Irish republic, the people are all inhabitants of the Island of Ireland, no matter their race, colour or creed - or sex for that matter. And the only slaves that have ever been in Ireland are the Irish themselves.
@fallzskin lol thats where I see the bullshit, I love pointing this out to sinn fein heads they go mad,,, lol i know the natives of the island are just going to be pushed to side:-) and retards like yourself will welcome it:-)... I'll needs a good nationalist party, for sinn fein misslead people into thinking they are one
@buckodcelt Personally I can't say I'm for Sinn Fein, but then I'm not against them either. They are the only ones at the minute that talk sense however. And you can bitch and moan about all the history of Ireland and try to paint the Irish as - apes, stupid, terrorist, etc, etc.... we've heard it all before. There is just one thing you people forget, we are unbowed and we will not rest until we are free. One other thing that you should know. We really don't give a fig what you think of us.
@fallzskin lol I am Irish and today, in the taxie:-) the driver was delighted to hear my words... you bow down to your multiculti masters and your new mixed raced brown skinned people... death to the blue eye:-)
lol I know all the volunteers of old wouldn't have fought against england if they were told, brits out everyone else in...
@fallzskin racism= anti white, a word created by leon trotsky, a word used to lock down peoples perception and attack an individuals charecter, rather than actually debate with a person about the current events... you uneducated twat:-) , a word which futhers the cultural marxist agenda:-) lol do yo know anything about cultural marxism.... you anti white individual. lol every1 I know is getting sick of seeing there nation getting raped:-)
The provisional movement are no longer a republican movement. They are now constitutional nationalists administering British rule from the puppet parliament in stormont. Traitors and quislings all of them.
IrishRepubIicanArmy 4 months ago
@IrishRepubIicanArmy you know not of what you speak.
godbrother10 4 months ago
@godbrother10 You don't seem to know what Irish republicanism is, you are confusing it with constitutional nationalism. They have admitted themselves they administer British rule and are now a constitutional party. They are not revolutionary, the British gov who have them in their pockets even invite their members to speak at the Tory party conference. Bobby sands would be proud..
IrishRepubIicanArmy 4 months ago
@IrishRepubIicanArmy Adaption is not betrayal and present politics is not a denial of previous resistance.
Problem with these so-called dissidents is that in place of 'a strategy rooted in objective reality' they have ideology: in place of ambition they have obstinacy- making them unable to distinguish tactic from cherished principle. All they offer is simple and bloody solutions to complex problems.
Revolutionaries cannot be frightened by change: fear of change is not revolutionary.
godbrother10 4 months ago
@IrishRepubIicanArmy Please don't envoke the opinion of dead patriots ... neither you nor I can say which course they would have taken and it is an insult to their memories to use them as cheap tools in petty arguments.
godbrother10 4 months ago
@godbrother10 You were not afraid to envoke the opinion of James Connolly at the end of the video but you left out the end of the quote to suit your own agenda. Adams and Co's branch of Sinn Féin are not revolutionaries, they are constitutionals copying the Irish parliamentary party FF or the SDLP so called strategies. There is no change or nothing new in the same old methods used for hundreds of years. Supporting British rule in ireland is not revolutionary its a regressive step.
IrishRepubIicanArmy 4 months ago
@IrishRepubIicanArmy Dissident supporters like you are playing right into british hands. Nothing suits the Brits better, operationally, financially and propaganda-wise than to have a very low-intensity armed campaign to contend with. It provides a containable counter-insurgency laboratory to hone their skills for other adventures overseas. The decision to site MI5's massive headquarters in the six counties only confirms this.
Political conditions have changed...
godbrother10 4 months ago
@godbrother10 Prior to the 1994 cease-fire Adams was dismissed by British commentators as “Mr 10%”. As it stands Sinn Fein have 29 MLAs, 14 TDs, 3 Senators, 5 MPs and a MEP and hundreds of councillors across the island. Republican fortunes have been transformed: changed utterly and with them the political landscape of the island as a whole. And consequently the new phase of struggle will for the first time since partition, return to an all an Ireland dimension....
godbrother10 4 months ago
@godbrother10 Since the Provisional IRA's 1997 ceasefire, "dissident republicans" have killed 2 policemen, 2 soldiers and 31 civilians. So 11.5% of the people they are responsible for killing were legitimate targets (in their eyes at least), and 88.5% of them were innocent bystanders. Of course, these "dissidents" are the same people who regarded standing for election as a 'deviation from principle' , coming off the no-work-protest as a 'sellout' and the cease-fire a 'surrender'.
godbrother10 4 months ago
@godbrother10 It is often alleged by "dissidents" that Sinn Fein is actually helping to implement British rule in the north. This is false in more ways than one. Sinn Fein members have had to take no oath of allegiance to the crown (unlike their counterparts in Scotland and Wales); they give no other featly to it; and they implement no policy and reform no act (including flag-flying) which will serve to confirm or consolidate Crown rule.
godbrother10 4 months ago
@godbrother10 Provisional Sinn Féin have are implemting Tory cuts and implementing British rule from Stormont. Francie Molloy stated this himself when he said ''We are really prepared to administer British rule in Ireland''. Everything passed in the assembly is given royal assent by the Queen of England to become law. It is a British parliament in occupied Ireland. If Sinn Féin members publicly admit to administering crown rule in Ireland, it shows how feeble your argument is.
IrishRepubIicanArmy 4 months ago
@IrishRepubIicanArmy he said those comments in a bid to keep loyalists in the process ... tactical flattery shall we say ... speak to him or any Republican in private and they'll tell you the score. The Peace Process is a road map to a United Ireland.
godbrother10 4 months ago
@godbrother10 Crown rule in Ireland is being administered from Stormont, that is fact. They even support the colonial police to make sure British laws are adhered to and implemented. It's the complete opposite of Irish republicanism.
IrishRepubIicanArmy 4 months ago
why would the concept of the REPUBLIC equal freedom...
buckodcelt 9 months ago
@buckodcelt The name says it all really. A republic represents the wants of the people. the people then choose their own future and it is not dictated to them by the crown. In Irelands case the crown was in another land. It had no idea who the Irish people were or their wants and difficulties. The Irish were used by said crown as cannon fodder for Enfglands wars and slave labour for their industries.
The republic would change that.
fallzskin 9 months ago
@fallzskin want's of a people;-), a republican lol, who are the people today then?,the irish people 20% percent of children in this nation are non irish now, thats in ten years:-)....
i'm sure the irish back in the day the irish wanted to go to war for England, and the many of my friends are used as slaves in foreign industries built in ireland, which are fucken off to nations with cheaper labour... ;-)
buckodcelt 8 months ago
@buckodcelt I was describing a Republic in general terms. As to Irish republic, the people are all inhabitants of the Island of Ireland, no matter their race, colour or creed - or sex for that matter. And the only slaves that have ever been in Ireland are the Irish themselves.
fallzskin 8 months ago
@fallzskin lol thats where I see the bullshit, I love pointing this out to sinn fein heads they go mad,,, lol i know the natives of the island are just going to be pushed to side:-) and retards like yourself will welcome it:-)... I'll needs a good nationalist party, for sinn fein misslead people into thinking they are one
buckodcelt 8 months ago
@buckodcelt Personally I can't say I'm for Sinn Fein, but then I'm not against them either. They are the only ones at the minute that talk sense however. And you can bitch and moan about all the history of Ireland and try to paint the Irish as - apes, stupid, terrorist, etc, etc.... we've heard it all before. There is just one thing you people forget, we are unbowed and we will not rest until we are free. One other thing that you should know. We really don't give a fig what you think of us.
fallzskin 8 months ago
@fallzskin lol I am Irish and today, in the taxie:-) the driver was delighted to hear my words... you bow down to your multiculti masters and your new mixed raced brown skinned people... death to the blue eye:-)
lol I know all the volunteers of old wouldn't have fought against england if they were told, brits out everyone else in...
buckodcelt 8 months ago
@buckodcelt so there it is. Racist, bigot and uneducated. your a proper european arn't ye. everything the Irish nation doesn't need or want.
fallzskin 8 months ago
@fallzskin racism= anti white, a word created by leon trotsky, a word used to lock down peoples perception and attack an individuals charecter, rather than actually debate with a person about the current events... you uneducated twat:-) , a word which futhers the cultural marxist agenda:-) lol do yo know anything about cultural marxism.... you anti white individual. lol every1 I know is getting sick of seeing there nation getting raped:-)
buckodcelt 8 months ago