I looked at the Esgrima in this video and it looks like they are using the sword... like, Obviously a sword... but in Kendo, At least for me, I feel more like an extention of my own arm... I mean I'm not an expert on Esgrima, but I used to Practice Kendo.
Yeah, historical fencing would have an advantage over kendo, the buckler or parrying dagger and the fact that rapiers or sabres have a length advantage over the katana. Of course, it still comes down to the skill, just think the natural advantage goes to historical fencing here
@interim Yeah, the Kendo guy should have used that as an advantage. He was bare footed and the other guy was wearing his Renaissance boots cause they looked cool.
I feel sorry for the poor Kendo guy, its pretty obvious that the Fencer is more experienced. At any rate watching them slide around the court was pretty funny
@Hawaiianstile an axe type swing like that would never be successful with a shielded opponent. So unfortunately for better or worse the match is really nothing worth talking too much about, as we are pretending he has a shield but something like that needs to be represented and not approximated.
@Hawaiianstile a comment you made two years ago. just a couple kids hitting each other with sticks, nothing you need to devote another second thinking about.
@andresrojas22 Your a fuckin idiot apparently, he was using steel vambraces, designed to stop/defend from sword blows, a katana couldn't cut through that even if it wanted to.
The problem is that kendo is not a real fighting art. Its a sport. This is kinda like saying judo vs. basketball. Kendo, though it can be quite effective, is really just a sport done by highschoolers like any other club team. The rules and the practice is geared towards that.
now i know that i'm probably going to get some nasty replies this but.....the katana was not the primary weapon of the samurai. :/ and while it's true that it's an amazing and fascinating weapon the origin of the samurai came from the bow. and when they were to close to use the bow they would use a naginata/yari. when the naginata/yari was broken or disarmed from the samurai THEN he would us his tachi/katana. it just makes me wish to see more of naginata and yari combat. especially against EUart
The problem is that these weapons and techniques were meant to deal with different situations. The knight dude is clearly working with something meant for armor cracking against mail or plate armor, while the samurai typically fought more lightly armored enemies. Actually I'm pulling this out of my ass, but am I close?
@Irmasterlol sorry lol but no, actually samurai wore armor which was similar in weight and function as european armor but had many more gaps the person using a euro style here seems to be trying to use a sword alone when he is used to using a sword and buckler, there are hundreds of manuals for both armored and unarmored fighting for both kinds of fighting and both are right just different situations call for different styles as you say :P
I practice Historical Fencing with hand-and-half sword, messer and buckler, and single rapier... and i have to say, that guy have no idea of what is he doing.
@TheTradicional mee too, is totally messing up everything, but the probelm is you cant touch the other figter becase kendo dont allow it, yo cant stop him, you cant punch him and too many things, i have figth againist kendo practicers, and tey just move forward, but they give gret figths
i personally dont follow the samurai band wagon even tho they may have been good warriors..i practice european longsword fencing. and even tho there are similarities i prefer it over kendo. that may be my opinion but there are other things to take into account..like japanese chainmaille being inferior to european maille. also i personally think that european blades are superior. the deal crushing as well as cutting damage. they also have a guard and pommel which aid in technique and attacking.
It doesn't matter if kendo is better than fencing or fencing is better than kendo. They are different styles just pick the one you like the most. I prefer kendo, but I think fencing is cool too.
I think the thing that most people get wrong is that Kendo is not a killing sport. At least, it isn't now. For safety, all the more violent techniques were banned to create an elegant, pretty sport. That, faced with a knight who'll do anything to kill you is kind of an unfair match up.
@MrPewp Instead, the Kendo fighter should have been paired with an E'pe'e fencer.
In the late 1930s, the Japanese community in Panama brought in a Japanese kendo master and an American fencing master to face off against each other. It was fencing epee versus bamboo shinai. The kendo master raised his blade three times to begin his pass…and three times Wieder lunged, striking the kendo master’s kote (right mitten). Wieder remained untouched. That ended the bout. Look it up yourself.
@MrDrewGoodwin Kendo is a good sport, but very repetitive and limited in any kind of technique. A strict kendka with no other instruction in japanese sword will always appear robotic and effective only against other kendoka. Training and light free sparring should in more than one weapons art only ads to whatever it is that's your main art. I trained in both kendo and kenjutsu but only really improved in free sparring after training in escrima.
@MexiCancerIII If Kendo seems restricted and repetitive, perhaps it is the flaw of the student, and not of the style. Even if the user could only do one strike, it is still possible for the user to win. Fencing was a Martial art, developed so that lanky men could fend off thieves and murderers, in the alleyways and streets of Italy. I believe that a Maestro de Escrima will win, not because of a flaw inherent in Kendo, but because the basic attack in fencing is a thrust, and not a slash.
@MrDrewGoodwin Kendo is extremely restricted and repetitive, the only targets are the top of the head, wrists, and chest. A student strictly of kendo can easily be condition to only strike in the allowed areas, that's why I would recommend practice in another weapon style, to break up the limitations kendo teaches.
@MrDrewGoodwin A lot of traditional schools don't allow true free sparring, even witht he faom padded equipment. And in Japenese sword, most attacks are slashing techniques, kendo doesn't stress that, just simply being first with a strike to score, even if you get hit as well.
the kendoka's is a poorly novice, i can see from the way he hold shinai, fumikomi , and zanshin, he has no "seme" or "tame",..all he do is swing a shinai-sword with a poor kendo technique .. ¬_¬
@superthatgame please go on....but only if you are going to provide sources for your over-reaching comments. I presonally would prefer to fight someone dressed in leather lamellar armour than plate, especially if the warrior was only concerned with riding onto the battlefield, taking a head as proof of arrival and leaving. The japanese had to find methods of determining whether a head had been cut off alive or not because these "gods of war" didn't want to risk a real fight they would ride to t
@MrMonkeyJap Kendo was developed in Japan. It became the way it is today in the 1700's. Kendo was introduced to Korea in 1896. Kumdo and Kendo are more or less identical.
This video doesn't really show anything but the skills of two guys that are beginners at best when it comes to kendo, kenjutsu, or classic european sword fighting. The weapon in the hands of a master is what makes the outcome of the fight. Training to perfection is something to strive for but is unattainable. Therefore train relentlessly until your dying breath. Only then can you defeat any opponent no matter what the circumstance or the weapon in his hands.
This video doesn't really show anything but the skills of two guys that are beginners at best when it comes to kendo, kenjutsu, or classic european sword fighting. The weapon in the hands of a master is what makes the outcome of the fight. Training to perfection is something to strive for but is unattainable. Therefore train relentlessly until your dying breath. Only then can you defeat any opponent no matter what the circumstance or the weapon in his hands.
No offense but the fencer seems like they may be a little inexperienced. Their reaction time seemed a little off. As though it took a few seconds to acknowledge movement.
@michu070 all i am saying is it would beuch closer than you mau think i dont practice kenjutsu but i do practice wma and can tell you the fopt and a half does make a lot of difference im not trying to diss the samurai since neither blad can pierce plate go to /watch?v=5Hy_A9vjp or see /watch?v=HC5FIyfI8TAI
Some of you don't see that the kendoka is almost always hitting first, and that's what kendo is about. That's why he hits and then raises his shinai, because he's waiting for "the judge" to give him a point. In an official match, he would be the winner, kendo is doing its job well here.
Remember, Kendo is a sport. HIstorical samurai didn't fight like that. Real samurai kenjutsu couldn't leave all those openings. Both of these guys are good, they're just playing way too different games.
@michu070 dont underestimate a rapier they are wicked fast and have a huge reach advantage, also an arming sword is just as fast as katana if not more so thanks to the double edges also longsword winding and binding are amazingly good for controlling a fight, not saying samurai where bad just that its not as simple as you would think ;)
@michu070 knights trained for 20 years to be made "Knights" and I practice daily with my longsword trust me there is nothing crude about it when we spar we use steel blunts though because they are as close to real as you can get and not kill each other. Im not downing samurai Im just saying that the katana (being relatively short) has a harder time fighting against a person wielding a longer weapon which is why spears and halberds where used before swords usually, the samurai where great cont...
@volarion but a knight using chainmail is pretty safe from a slash unless you go for face or underarms and no sword beats plate armor which is why you go for the weak points. sorry kinda running into a monologue here. and before I was just commenting on how the stance was odd to me (I use 2 handed stances in longsword (ringecks knightly art of longsword))
@volarion ooookay buddy, fine have your internet win. its not like a samurai didnt have steel armor that was easier to move in. and you also know kenjutsu then isnt kendo thats practiced as sport. but whatever full plate and a foot and a half or so will make all the difference apparently.
hahaha stop being a weaboo. Katana is no better than any other sword and neither were samurai not unstoppable warriors. There are a number of warrior caste throughout the world that are equal or superior to the samurai like knights , sipahi, winged Hussars, mongol warriors, etc.
@leinad667 Don't forget every warrior in the modern age. A rifle beats a sword any day. The only reason these sword techniques are around anymore are because of the SPORT and to try to keep certain aspects of past culture alive.
It goes without saying that repeating firearms made swordsmanship obsolete in the battlefield. Its just difficult to convince katana fanboys that although samurai were good warriors they were not unstoppable gods like in the movies.
@leinad667 I hate when trying to argue this to those kind of people they bring up some anime character. "Oh yeah well *whoever* from this anime uses his sword to deflect hundreds of bullets."
@dmayfield2 Isao Machii surely is a talent e.g. for cutting bullets from airguns in mid-air... But i've never seen him doing actual sparring proving his fighting skills (not saying he has none, only that i've never seen it). And anyway, this doesn't prove leinad's post wrong; Samurai where good warriors but no one in history has shown to be an unstoppable god ;-P
@Railriderchris just saying the reflexes and anicipation required is nothing short of super human, pretty sure if he can cut somthing in half that is normally naked to the human eye he can dodge whatever you can throw at him.
@dmayfield2 I've seen a docu where they measure the reflexes of Isao Machii and say that they're better than normal humans. Don't know if they're right, you know how this sensationalist shows are. But whatever the truth, the precision needed to cut a airgun bullet isn't the same than, e.g. react to an opponents attack while finding out when he's making a feint or not. Like: Being a great sharpshooter in an exercise doesn't prove you'll do great in war with fear and difficult conditions...
@leinad667 too many hong kong theater flicks lol, in fact, i have proof that european longswords are far superior to the katana. Sharpness is a very very small part of a sword, also has to do with the quality if the blade itself, the curve/angle of the blade edge, and it's length. The Katana was originally a side-arm actually, not even one of the primary combat blades, thats what the tachi is for.
the euro swordsman looks like he is using a buckler stance. which is stupid without the buckler so what is goong on here??? he would be better in a 2 handed stance
The description says that he is a sword and shield fencer. So I think that he usually use a shield (perhaps a buckler). My guess is that his problem in sparring is that he's using his shield to much in his defence. To get rid of that habit he don't use a shield in this spar to force himself to defend with his sword. I don't know if this is what's going on but just like you I think his stances (especially his left hand) looks curious.
@gurkfisk89 Using it too much? as if it's a bad thing? What you're seeing here is a comparison between the functionality of two basic styles, kendo and sword and shield fencing. As we can clearly see here, on a level of sheer practicality, the historical fencer has the luxury of cutting him up at his own pace with little risk to himself.
If anything the historical fencer was giving the kendo practitioner a concession by limiting his "shield" to a size no bigger than his bracer.
Oh, not so much as using the shield too much as using the sword too little. Sorry for my bad wording.
It's not bad to use the shield much but if you also use your sword in defence you can some things that you can't if you use the shield. It always good to be flexible in your fighting.
Just a reminder that even if this historical fencer has the "luxury of cutting him up at his own pace" it would be foolish to think that this always is the case.
@TheBearlydeloved I'm thinking that the mail hauberk and shitty boots are bigger concessions. If you've ever tried to move on slick wooden flooring with smooth soled shoes, you'll know what it's like.
The guy has major issues with any kind of offensive or even offline footwork.
@OVERCAPITALIZE That's all you really need as long as your defense is solid.
If they can't strike you, then you may slice them to ribbons at your lleisure.
As another poster has said, every strike in Kendo/jutsu is a committed one, and that is the ultimate weakness of kendo versus a skilled practitioner of a style that is free and adaptable.
@AceVendetta no you do not, every swing in Kendo is a committed swing. you strike at your target and move through them, if you miss you miss. there are no feints in kendo. BUT after every swing you do reset to your center stance. you never stop your blade if you miss because your partner will strike at you at the point.
@Zoncxs This makes kendo an extremely specialized style of fighting that doesn't seem to have much practicality outside duels with other practitioners.
@ScarletAvatar In kendo you do not follow through on your hits, you stop at your hit. it is so you do not hurt your partner as much, after all it is a sport.
@Zoncxs In fencing, you learn how to hit fast, but light because no one will put up with a hacker. It is easy to be heavy if you want to be. But the most unrealistic thing about this is that they are using a modern gymnasium floor. they ought to be outdoors on natural terrain.
@hornetpalooza yes but when they are in the midst of battle they are not thinking of fun they are thinking of the outcome of the battle my father was heavily ingrained in samurai culture so as natural i know kendo and bokken and i was taught that when in battle evan if its just sparring allways think that my next move may be my last therefore helpinng me think on what moves would be more appropriate to survive
@death2160 your father wasn't heavily ingrained in samurai culture. He might have had teachers who were descendants of samurai or he might have been obsessed with the history of Samurai... but actual samurai are long dead, and the culture even longer dead.
@Marcownz747 what i mean is he does everything based on the samurai code of honor and lives his life believing that his sword contains his soul... its kinda weird but i understand his fealings.
This is awesome! It would be so fun to do that! They are both good too!
(I am studying both forms of swordplay and have equal respect for both. And I do this with some of my friends who practice with me. But since I am studying several different kinds of fencing I am not very good at any. lol!)
I have to say, whilst i love all sword fighting, a samurai would be the most difficult entity to face. You would stand a much better chance vs a medieval knight than a samurai
@pjboom yea but there are fighting chain mail knights it would be more even if it was a full plate knight cause you can stab through chainmail quite easily
The kendoka is outmatched in skill, it's not a real clash of styles. I object to the title, "Kendo vs Fencing", but it is descriptive enough as "one guy is using kendo, the other is using fencing."
If you think about it in the Dark Ages warriors were bound to fight various sword styles due to the various groups that warred against each other. Viking vs Celtic for instance would have each had their own fighting styles. While samurai and knight might not have fought each other they both would have been often fought different sword styles in their conflicts.
Ah, I see. He is using his vambrace as a shield. Always risky against a full power kendo blow as it may still break the arm. His boots were the wrong footware for the floor. But it looks like good clean fun. Me next.
a couple of comments .The guy in the mail seems very unsure of his footing, see how he slides. It seems as if the kendo fighter is more trained in his weapons use. and the mailed one seems better suited to a round sheild and a bastard sword which will help the way he holds his sword. It seems that sword he had made him slightly clumsy, a shorter blade for a one handed grip might give his grip greater speed and leverage..........all in all very entertaining.
@Xenobiarch I know he's green. It's pretty obvious he's green. You don't need to tell me that he's green.
He's also goaded and flagged fairly easily and doesn't seem to have a concept of any sort of firm footwork. Real kendo takes lots of commitment and time to improve, like any martial art, and I'm not surprised this jackass got his ass handed to him so thoroughly.
I referred to him as a "specialist" because that's the discipline he's focused on. I don't connotate experience in the word.
Swordfighting, like anything combative, is dictated by the training and the sheer musculature- it's not like it is in the movies, and it's much, much more brutal and extensive than that shitty gladiator series lets on
Moving past that, in this spar, real combat cannot be effectively produced, due to rules, regulations, and so on. Funny thing is, the rules being used are standard kendo rules, where only full strikes count. Guess what? Fencer wins.
@MerlinsJester civilized fighting? all i saw is guy in blue suit chasing guy who is figure skating in chain mail by sliding with his boots on polished wooden flood while actually pretending to have a shield
@slavenvulic Dude, the "sliding step" is something used by Kendo specialists all the time; it's not fucking figure-skating.
Shields some in all sizes, so it hardly matters unless it's a real fight, due to the fact that a properly used shield would horribly slant the advantage to the one using the shield...
You seem to have the eyes of a layman, otherwise you'd pick up on things like this.
@MerlinsJester dude... buy glasses.. both in regards to video and my texting... i was reffering to ice skating of lancer... who happens to be boot sliding on wooden floor and barely can keep balance... u know what... nvm... sensei
@slavenvulic Oh that. Yeah, boots like that are meant for rougher surfaces, like dirt roads, not a wooden floor that was waxed within an inch of its existence.
However, the point remains that the European-styled fighter is more competant than the Japanese-styled one, mainly due to the level of experience with the footwork and the plotting of steps.
It says sword and shield fencer, so usually he use a shield. You can somewhat see that in the way he hold his left hand. I suppose he didn't use the shield at this point is because he is training to be more defensive with his sword.
But I agree, it's kind of funny that they call him a sword and shield fencer.
Hmm id have to agree that historical fencing against kendo isnt ideal. A kenjutsu practitioner would be much better suited. Not to be 'that guy' but i saw a great many things the kendo could have done better. I myself have faced fencing with kenjutsu before and was more eventful
I looked at the Esgrima in this video and it looks like they are using the sword... like, Obviously a sword... but in Kendo, At least for me, I feel more like an extention of my own arm... I mean I'm not an expert on Esgrima, but I used to Practice Kendo.
Rulytasho 6 days ago
0:31 you're already dead, why bother to hit his stomach? lol
CreatedOnly4U 1 week ago
Yeah, historical fencing would have an advantage over kendo, the buckler or parrying dagger and the fact that rapiers or sabres have a length advantage over the katana. Of course, it still comes down to the skill, just think the natural advantage goes to historical fencing here
TheSpiffyHarry 1 week ago
@interim your right but slippery terrain realy makes you work on your footwork :p
volarion 1 week ago
Fencing on ice, or am I the only one looking at the feet?
interim 1 week ago 5
@interim no you're not, it does look really slippery
knvo 1 week ago
@interim Yeah, the Kendo guy should have used that as an advantage. He was bare footed and the other guy was wearing his Renaissance boots cause they looked cool.
orcslayer006 1 day ago
@interim I feel like the fencer did not put a lot of forethought into this.
JonasSchrodt 11 hours ago
I feel sorry for the poor Kendo guy, its pretty obvious that the Fencer is more experienced. At any rate watching them slide around the court was pretty funny
dagorlad3 2 weeks ago
@dagorlad3
Don't feel sorry for him. Sparring against someone more experienced than you will teach you a lot.
gurkfisk89 2 weeks ago
Wow, the technique and skill of the fencer was quite stunning!
masterofall66 2 weeks ago
@Hawaiianstile wow why dont they delete posts that old??? O.o
volarion 3 weeks ago
Where is kiai, seme and zanshin?!
lagovno 3 weeks ago
@Hawaiianstile an axe type swing like that would never be successful with a shielded opponent. So unfortunately for better or worse the match is really nothing worth talking too much about, as we are pretending he has a shield but something like that needs to be represented and not approximated.
NoiseTracker 3 weeks ago
@NoiseTracker what are you talking about? how many years ago did i write what ever comment you are replying to?
Hawaiianstile 3 weeks ago
@Hawaiianstile a comment you made two years ago. just a couple kids hitting each other with sticks, nothing you need to devote another second thinking about.
NoiseTracker 3 weeks ago
@NoiseTracker Steel vambraces genius, they were used to defend from sword blows.
bud389 3 weeks ago
@bud389 Indeed, that is a possibility. Though there is no need to estimate my intelligence I thank you for it.
NoiseTracker 2 weeks ago
@NoiseTracker Well your intelligence apparently can't determine what sarcasm is.
bud389 2 weeks ago
invisible shields are no match 4 katanas
andresrojas22 1 month ago
@andresrojas22 Your a fuckin idiot apparently, he was using steel vambraces, designed to stop/defend from sword blows, a katana couldn't cut through that even if it wanted to.
bud389 3 weeks ago
@bud389 youre wrong a katana can easily cut those vambraces, check it for yourself how it cuts up two consecutive pieces /watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
andresrojas22 3 weeks ago
@andresrojas22 lol, umad?
/watch?v=5Hy_A9vjp_s&list=FL6IQ2cyWkYAwmwbYTBJgiXQ&index=24&feature=plpp_video#t=5m55s
bud389 3 weeks ago
@andresrojas22 Stop trolling everyone knows swords can't cut steel armor.
AngryGunslinger 2 weeks ago
The problem is that kendo is not a real fighting art. Its a sport. This is kinda like saying judo vs. basketball. Kendo, though it can be quite effective, is really just a sport done by highschoolers like any other club team. The rules and the practice is geared towards that.
tactilecacti 1 month ago
the kendo guy is dumb. why is he running at him with his arms up and let him hit him? this is stupid
oreowithmilk1 1 month ago
@oreowithmilk1 because the kendo guy already struck the other person.
joji64theninja 1 month ago
now i know that i'm probably going to get some nasty replies this but.....the katana was not the primary weapon of the samurai. :/ and while it's true that it's an amazing and fascinating weapon the origin of the samurai came from the bow. and when they were to close to use the bow they would use a naginata/yari. when the naginata/yari was broken or disarmed from the samurai THEN he would us his tachi/katana. it just makes me wish to see more of naginata and yari combat. especially against EUart
EmptyVaynes 1 month ago
@EmptyVaynes There's a lot of under-rated equipment japanese used. But the katana... it's like Superman's cape...
xxzodiacxx01 1 month ago
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@EmptyVaynes There's a lot of under-rated equipment japanese used. But the katana... it's like Superman's cape...
xxzodiacxx01 1 month ago
The problem is that these weapons and techniques were meant to deal with different situations. The knight dude is clearly working with something meant for armor cracking against mail or plate armor, while the samurai typically fought more lightly armored enemies. Actually I'm pulling this out of my ass, but am I close?
Irmasterlol 1 month ago
@Irmasterlol sorry lol but no, actually samurai wore armor which was similar in weight and function as european armor but had many more gaps the person using a euro style here seems to be trying to use a sword alone when he is used to using a sword and buckler, there are hundreds of manuals for both armored and unarmored fighting for both kinds of fighting and both are right just different situations call for different styles as you say :P
volarion 1 month ago
@volarion What I know about Eastern swordsmanship > what I know about medieval weapons > 0. ONWARD TO EDUCATION!
Irmasterlol 1 month ago
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thechosenone1177 1 month ago
Horrobles los dos
altomapache 1 month ago
Fencing wins!
brightlights456X 1 month ago
I practice Historical Fencing with hand-and-half sword, messer and buckler, and single rapier... and i have to say, that guy have no idea of what is he doing.
TheTradicional 1 month ago
@TheTradicional mee too, is totally messing up everything, but the probelm is you cant touch the other figter becase kendo dont allow it, yo cant stop him, you cant punch him and too many things, i have figth againist kendo practicers, and tey just move forward, but they give gret figths
josearepas 1 month ago
i personally dont follow the samurai band wagon even tho they may have been good warriors..i practice european longsword fencing. and even tho there are similarities i prefer it over kendo. that may be my opinion but there are other things to take into account..like japanese chainmaille being inferior to european maille. also i personally think that european blades are superior. the deal crushing as well as cutting damage. they also have a guard and pommel which aid in technique and attacking.
mouthforwar17 2 months ago
It doesn't matter if kendo is better than fencing or fencing is better than kendo. They are different styles just pick the one you like the most. I prefer kendo, but I think fencing is cool too.
JoseKvar 2 months ago
damn kendo boy is looking like a pin cushin less than 1min into the vid
hellwolf882 2 months ago
Knights were the best warriors and firearms are unhonest, wimpy and weak. The swordsman is the best man and no gun can change that.
LucasTheFencer 2 months ago
The kendo fighter is just ot very good. At all.
chaosprite 3 months ago
lol they are not fighting but showing each other techs and skills
VSteper 3 months ago
XYNTA
Valexxx15 3 months ago
I think the thing that most people get wrong is that Kendo is not a killing sport. At least, it isn't now. For safety, all the more violent techniques were banned to create an elegant, pretty sport. That, faced with a knight who'll do anything to kill you is kind of an unfair match up.
MrPewp 3 months ago
@MrPewp Instead, the Kendo fighter should have been paired with an E'pe'e fencer.
In the late 1930s, the Japanese community in Panama brought in a Japanese kendo master and an American fencing master to face off against each other. It was fencing epee versus bamboo shinai. The kendo master raised his blade three times to begin his pass…and three times Wieder lunged, striking the kendo master’s kote (right mitten). Wieder remained untouched. That ended the bout. Look it up yourself.
MrDrewGoodwin 3 months ago
@MrDrewGoodwin Kendo is a good sport, but very repetitive and limited in any kind of technique. A strict kendka with no other instruction in japanese sword will always appear robotic and effective only against other kendoka. Training and light free sparring should in more than one weapons art only ads to whatever it is that's your main art. I trained in both kendo and kenjutsu but only really improved in free sparring after training in escrima.
MexiCancerIII 3 months ago
@MexiCancerIII If Kendo seems restricted and repetitive, perhaps it is the flaw of the student, and not of the style. Even if the user could only do one strike, it is still possible for the user to win. Fencing was a Martial art, developed so that lanky men could fend off thieves and murderers, in the alleyways and streets of Italy. I believe that a Maestro de Escrima will win, not because of a flaw inherent in Kendo, but because the basic attack in fencing is a thrust, and not a slash.
MrDrewGoodwin 3 months ago
@MrDrewGoodwin Kendo is extremely restricted and repetitive, the only targets are the top of the head, wrists, and chest. A student strictly of kendo can easily be condition to only strike in the allowed areas, that's why I would recommend practice in another weapon style, to break up the limitations kendo teaches.
MexiCancerIII 3 months ago
@MrDrewGoodwin A lot of traditional schools don't allow true free sparring, even witht he faom padded equipment. And in Japenese sword, most attacks are slashing techniques, kendo doesn't stress that, just simply being first with a strike to score, even if you get hit as well.
MexiCancerIII 3 months ago
This is not accurate. The viking should be two times taller.
EdwinMarc 4 months ago
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the kendoka's is a poorly novice, i can see from the way he hold shinai, fumikomi , and zanshin, he has no "seme" or "tame",..all he do is swing a shinai-sword with a poor kendo technique .. ¬_¬
hikayaza 4 months ago
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hikayaza 4 months ago
kendo dood died pretty fast. but im guessing this is points
ThankYouSniper 4 months ago
they're sliding, yay. lol. get a better floor idiots. that's more like sliding sword play
1992pv 4 months ago
who are these idiots, did they learn from youtube videos?
animalnt 4 months ago
The Fencer was sliding all over the place lol. Polished wooden floors + boots doesn't seem to work out too well.
DzzyL 4 months ago
392 people expect they will see a kungfu movie with flashy attack and slow motion jumping. the other 375 enjoy the technique of this fight.
lazysunside 4 months ago 26
@superthatgame please go on....but only if you are going to provide sources for your over-reaching comments. I presonally would prefer to fight someone dressed in leather lamellar armour than plate, especially if the warrior was only concerned with riding onto the battlefield, taking a head as proof of arrival and leaving. The japanese had to find methods of determining whether a head had been cut off alive or not because these "gods of war" didn't want to risk a real fight they would ride to t
RevNTheogen 5 months ago
I don't know why Japanese are trying to steal our tradition.
Kendo's origin is Kumdo.
See this video.
watch?v=yvxiTWZW_BY&feature=related
Haidong Gumdo is very popular in European countries now.
Every one likes our culture!
MrMonkeyJap 5 months ago
@MrMonkeyJap Kendo was developed in Japan. It became the way it is today in the 1700's. Kendo was introduced to Korea in 1896. Kumdo and Kendo are more or less identical.
AkatsukiPR0 5 months ago
This video has tons of dislike votes because the weeaboos are mad that the Euro newbie soundly thrashed the Kendo newbie.
Tahknall 5 months ago
This video doesn't really show anything but the skills of two guys that are beginners at best when it comes to kendo, kenjutsu, or classic european sword fighting. The weapon in the hands of a master is what makes the outcome of the fight. Training to perfection is something to strive for but is unattainable. Therefore train relentlessly until your dying breath. Only then can you defeat any opponent no matter what the circumstance or the weapon in his hands.
timos591 5 months ago
This video doesn't really show anything but the skills of two guys that are beginners at best when it comes to kendo, kenjutsu, or classic european sword fighting. The weapon in the hands of a master is what makes the outcome of the fight. Training to perfection is something to strive for but is unattainable. Therefore train relentlessly until your dying breath. Only then can you defeat any opponent no matter what the circumstance or the weapon in his hands.
timos591 5 months ago
No offense but the fencer seems like they may be a little inexperienced. Their reaction time seemed a little off. As though it took a few seconds to acknowledge movement.
sangtawon 5 months ago
where's the kiai?
MinerlyCrafted 5 months ago
@michu070 all i am saying is it would beuch closer than you mau think i dont practice kenjutsu but i do practice wma and can tell you the fopt and a half does make a lot of difference im not trying to diss the samurai since neither blad can pierce plate go to /watch?v=5Hy_A9vjp or see /watch?v=HC5FIyfI8TAI
volarion 7 months ago
Some of you don't see that the kendoka is almost always hitting first, and that's what kendo is about. That's why he hits and then raises his shinai, because he's waiting for "the judge" to give him a point. In an official match, he would be the winner, kendo is doing its job well here.
Remember, Kendo is a sport. HIstorical samurai didn't fight like that. Real samurai kenjutsu couldn't leave all those openings. Both of these guys are good, they're just playing way too different games.
zsoujiro 7 months ago
@zsoujiro =HMMMMMMM
=SOUNDING LIKE REAL.................
=REAL SAMURAI WOULD WIN EASILY..........
=IN 2 HITS
1ST IS RIGHT IN 1HANDED SWORD WHAT PUSHES IT OUT-
2ND DIRECT HIT IN OPENED SPACE WHILE SPACE IS STILL OPENED
MAYBE EVEN IN TURNING ROUND LIKE THAT WAS IN KILL BILL IN BATTLE WITH O'REN ICHII
OPENED SPACE IS OPENED SPACE
AND HIT IN THAT OPENED SPACE NO MATTER WHAT'LL B THERE-MAYBE EVEN HIT ON ARM WIELDING WEAPON-CUTTING OF ARM-ENEMY FAINTED AUTOMATICALLY
robotnikkkk 6 months ago
@michi070 actually rapier has a huge reach advantage over katana but it can mainly only stab dont underrestimate longsword either
volarion 7 months ago
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michu070 7 months ago
@michu070 dont underestimate a rapier they are wicked fast and have a huge reach advantage, also an arming sword is just as fast as katana if not more so thanks to the double edges also longsword winding and binding are amazingly good for controlling a fight, not saying samurai where bad just that its not as simple as you would think ;)
volarion 7 months ago
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michu070 7 months ago
@michu070 knights trained for 20 years to be made "Knights" and I practice daily with my longsword trust me there is nothing crude about it when we spar we use steel blunts though because they are as close to real as you can get and not kill each other. Im not downing samurai Im just saying that the katana (being relatively short) has a harder time fighting against a person wielding a longer weapon which is why spears and halberds where used before swords usually, the samurai where great cont...
volarion 7 months ago
@volarion but a knight using chainmail is pretty safe from a slash unless you go for face or underarms and no sword beats plate armor which is why you go for the weak points. sorry kinda running into a monologue here. and before I was just commenting on how the stance was odd to me (I use 2 handed stances in longsword (ringecks knightly art of longsword))
volarion 7 months ago
@volarion ooookay buddy, fine have your internet win. its not like a samurai didnt have steel armor that was easier to move in. and you also know kenjutsu then isnt kendo thats practiced as sport. but whatever full plate and a foot and a half or so will make all the difference apparently.
michu070 7 months ago
@michu070
hahaha stop being a weaboo. Katana is no better than any other sword and neither were samurai not unstoppable warriors. There are a number of warrior caste throughout the world that are equal or superior to the samurai like knights , sipahi, winged Hussars, mongol warriors, etc.
leinad667 6 months ago 2
@leinad667 yup fair enough
michu070 6 months ago
@leinad667 Don't forget every warrior in the modern age. A rifle beats a sword any day. The only reason these sword techniques are around anymore are because of the SPORT and to try to keep certain aspects of past culture alive.
Marcownz747 6 months ago
@Marcownz747
It goes without saying that repeating firearms made swordsmanship obsolete in the battlefield. Its just difficult to convince katana fanboys that although samurai were good warriors they were not unstoppable gods like in the movies.
leinad667 6 months ago 26
@leinad667 dont you know katana can cut a bullet ! so instead of one hole you get two .
sewagedweller 4 months ago
@leinad667 I hate when trying to argue this to those kind of people they bring up some anime character. "Oh yeah well *whoever* from this anime uses his sword to deflect hundreds of bullets."
Mcree114 2 months ago
@leinad667 don't tell Isao Machii.
dmayfield2 1 month ago
@dmayfield2 Isao Machii surely is a talent e.g. for cutting bullets from airguns in mid-air... But i've never seen him doing actual sparring proving his fighting skills (not saying he has none, only that i've never seen it). And anyway, this doesn't prove leinad's post wrong; Samurai where good warriors but no one in history has shown to be an unstoppable god ;-P
Railriderchris 1 month ago
@Railriderchris just saying the reflexes and anicipation required is nothing short of super human, pretty sure if he can cut somthing in half that is normally naked to the human eye he can dodge whatever you can throw at him.
dmayfield2 1 month ago
@dmayfield2 I've seen a docu where they measure the reflexes of Isao Machii and say that they're better than normal humans. Don't know if they're right, you know how this sensationalist shows are. But whatever the truth, the precision needed to cut a airgun bullet isn't the same than, e.g. react to an opponents attack while finding out when he's making a feint or not. Like: Being a great sharpshooter in an exercise doesn't prove you'll do great in war with fear and difficult conditions...
Railriderchris 1 month ago
@dmayfield2
Real bullets>>>>>Pellets
leinad667 1 month ago
@leinad667 captain obvious strikes again
dmayfield2 4 weeks ago
@leinad667 too many hong kong theater flicks lol, in fact, i have proof that european longswords are far superior to the katana. Sharpness is a very very small part of a sword, also has to do with the quality if the blade itself, the curve/angle of the blade edge, and it's length. The Katana was originally a side-arm actually, not even one of the primary combat blades, thats what the tachi is for.
bud389 3 weeks ago
@TheBearlydeloved not much use simulating it if you cant simulate its actual use. should have gone in for a two handed stance...
volarion 7 months ago
the euro swordsman looks like he is using a buckler stance. which is stupid without the buckler so what is goong on here??? he would be better in a 2 handed stance
volarion 7 months ago
@volarion
The description says that he is a sword and shield fencer. So I think that he usually use a shield (perhaps a buckler). My guess is that his problem in sparring is that he's using his shield to much in his defence. To get rid of that habit he don't use a shield in this spar to force himself to defend with his sword. I don't know if this is what's going on but just like you I think his stances (especially his left hand) looks curious.
gurkfisk89 7 months ago
@gurkfisk89 Using it too much? as if it's a bad thing? What you're seeing here is a comparison between the functionality of two basic styles, kendo and sword and shield fencing. As we can clearly see here, on a level of sheer practicality, the historical fencer has the luxury of cutting him up at his own pace with little risk to himself.
If anything the historical fencer was giving the kendo practitioner a concession by limiting his "shield" to a size no bigger than his bracer.
TheBearlydeloved 7 months ago
@TheBearlydeloved
Oh, not so much as using the shield too much as using the sword too little. Sorry for my bad wording.
It's not bad to use the shield much but if you also use your sword in defence you can some things that you can't if you use the shield. It always good to be flexible in your fighting.
Just a reminder that even if this historical fencer has the "luxury of cutting him up at his own pace" it would be foolish to think that this always is the case.
gurkfisk89 7 months ago
@gurkfisk89 Obviously its not simply the style, but the skill of the practitioner also has to be considered.
However it seems pretty obvious as indicated in this video that pure Kendo/jutsu does provide something of a handicap for some pretty obvious reasons.
I'm certainly not saying that a highly skilled practitioner couldn't surmount those defenses, but you'd have to be leagues better.
TheBearlydeloved 7 months ago
@TheBearlydeloved I'm thinking that the mail hauberk and shitty boots are bigger concessions. If you've ever tried to move on slick wooden flooring with smooth soled shoes, you'll know what it's like.
The guy has major issues with any kind of offensive or even offline footwork.
halfassedfart 7 months ago
@halfassedfart Looking back I see what you mean, even so he gets points for doing as well as he did in spite of it.
TheBearlydeloved 7 months ago
@volarion No, he was "simulating a buckler", and as evidenced in the video, it contributed to the hilarious ass-kicking that followed.
TheBearlydeloved 7 months ago
@volarion imaginary shield. not a big deal
michu070 7 months ago
All this fencing attack looks like minor cuts..
OVERCAPITALIZE 7 months ago
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TheBearlydeloved 7 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE That's all you really need as long as your defense is solid.
If they can't strike you, then you may slice them to ribbons at your lleisure.
As another poster has said, every strike in Kendo/jutsu is a committed one, and that is the ultimate weakness of kendo versus a skilled practitioner of a style that is free and adaptable.
TheBearlydeloved 7 months ago
the samurai had one problem: the soldiers helmet
AuGeUNDoHr1 8 months ago
Why is it so loud? Is it wood hitting metal or hollow wood clapping on itself?
TheThomaswastaken 8 months ago
It's done at 0:42
Welther47 8 months ago
Pause at 0:17 and see the perfect chance to cut upward from left to right, right under the other.
Welther47 8 months ago
WTF is that?! Thats no fencer. Thats no rapier. And what is he wearing?
SpadaccinoLuciano 8 months ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano historical fencing is different than modern fencing.
Kirschthollar 8 months ago
The samurai lost...
KevinVang1000 9 months ago
are the snappy strikes the kendoka uses applicable to live blade use, or is that just the way kendo is?
ScarletAvatar 9 months ago
@ScarletAvatar In kendo, you are trained to stop your blade if it doesn't connect and reset to a position.
AceVendetta 9 months ago
@AceVendetta no you do not, every swing in Kendo is a committed swing. you strike at your target and move through them, if you miss you miss. there are no feints in kendo. BUT after every swing you do reset to your center stance. you never stop your blade if you miss because your partner will strike at you at the point.
Zoncxs 9 months ago
@Zoncxs This makes kendo an extremely specialized style of fighting that doesn't seem to have much practicality outside duels with other practitioners.
Yourebuying 7 months ago
@ScarletAvatar In kendo you do not follow through on your hits, you stop at your hit. it is so you do not hurt your partner as much, after all it is a sport.
Zoncxs 9 months ago
@Zoncxs Gotcha
ScarletAvatar 9 months ago
@Zoncxs I was going to add that but I hit the characters per comment limit XD
I think I said that on another video though >.o
Zoncxs 9 months ago
@Zoncxs In fencing, you learn how to hit fast, but light because no one will put up with a hacker. It is easy to be heavy if you want to be. But the most unrealistic thing about this is that they are using a modern gymnasium floor. they ought to be outdoors on natural terrain.
deaddoc 8 months ago
they both are a dishonor for their king and emperor
StudioOfDah 9 months ago 2
@StudioOfDah lol :D :D
hamerator 9 months ago
The kendoka is really bad...
happylobsterpatatas 9 months ago
@hornetpalooza yes but when they are in the midst of battle they are not thinking of fun they are thinking of the outcome of the battle my father was heavily ingrained in samurai culture so as natural i know kendo and bokken and i was taught that when in battle evan if its just sparring allways think that my next move may be my last therefore helpinng me think on what moves would be more appropriate to survive
death2160 9 months ago 2
@death2160 your father wasn't heavily ingrained in samurai culture. He might have had teachers who were descendants of samurai or he might have been obsessed with the history of Samurai... but actual samurai are long dead, and the culture even longer dead.
Marcownz747 6 months ago
@Marcownz747 what i mean is he does everything based on the samurai code of honor and lives his life believing that his sword contains his soul... its kinda weird but i understand his fealings.
death2160 6 months ago
The one in armor(European) is pathetic & moves like a poorly trained swordsman. Not even worth commenting about. The Kendo practicioner looks better.
Guzzy30 10 months ago
@Guzzy30 something my 1st sgt used to say, if its ugly but it works then why not? if its stupid and works then i guess it aint so stupid.
ForTheEmperorsOwn 10 months ago
This is awesome! It would be so fun to do that! They are both good too!
(I am studying both forms of swordplay and have equal respect for both. And I do this with some of my friends who practice with me. But since I am studying several different kinds of fencing I am not very good at any. lol!)
Ropinlizard 10 months ago
so.... who won?? knight landed more blows on limbs, samurai landed mroe blows on the head
dcfefs 10 months ago
Спортивный кендока с кривыми ручками... Постыдились бы выкладывать...
TheMeanAdmin 10 months ago
It does matter what armour they wear, 1 good hit with a crossbow bolt would do the job ;)
Gazzadus 10 months ago
Buulshit!
masterblaster848 10 months ago
I have to say, whilst i love all sword fighting, a samurai would be the most difficult entity to face. You would stand a much better chance vs a medieval knight than a samurai
SuperThatGame 10 months ago
good thing long swords can barely scratch samurai armor
yuikkiuy 10 months ago
@yuikkiuy Good thing a full plate knight armor was a lot toughter than a samurai armor.
pjboom 10 months ago
@pjboom yea but there are fighting chain mail knights it would be more even if it was a full plate knight cause you can stab through chainmail quite easily
yuikkiuy 10 months ago
The kendoka is outmatched in skill, it's not a real clash of styles. I object to the title, "Kendo vs Fencing", but it is descriptive enough as "one guy is using kendo, the other is using fencing."
GrifMoNeY 10 months ago
two handed sword vs one hand sword... the one handed is really mobile and the two handed is really powerful
theghostofmw2 10 months ago
If you think about it in the Dark Ages warriors were bound to fight various sword styles due to the various groups that warred against each other. Viking vs Celtic for instance would have each had their own fighting styles. While samurai and knight might not have fought each other they both would have been often fought different sword styles in their conflicts.
schizoidboy 10 months ago
A really, really nice block strike combo at 1.47
spacecadet35 11 months ago
Ah, I see. He is using his vambrace as a shield. Always risky against a full power kendo blow as it may still break the arm. His boots were the wrong footware for the floor. But it looks like good clean fun. Me next.
spacecadet35 11 months ago
That is one slippery floor
McFudge93 11 months ago
@hornetpalooza i know people argue this so much
metalrocko1 11 months ago
UM, am i the only one that sees a missing 4x4 shield? guess they thought it was too OP
cr1tterp0wer 11 months ago
a couple of comments .The guy in the mail seems very unsure of his footing, see how he slides. It seems as if the kendo fighter is more trained in his weapons use. and the mailed one seems better suited to a round sheild and a bastard sword which will help the way he holds his sword. It seems that sword he had made him slightly clumsy, a shorter blade for a one handed grip might give his grip greater speed and leverage..........all in all very entertaining.
BkNicho 1 year ago
What the hell is this crap? :L
808SoulJahxXx 1 year ago
That is no historic fencing style I have ever seen. He seems to be using the "kid with metre stick" school
Billythewookie 1 year ago
@Xenobiarch I know he's green. It's pretty obvious he's green. You don't need to tell me that he's green.
He's also goaded and flagged fairly easily and doesn't seem to have a concept of any sort of firm footwork. Real kendo takes lots of commitment and time to improve, like any martial art, and I'm not surprised this jackass got his ass handed to him so thoroughly.
I referred to him as a "specialist" because that's the discipline he's focused on. I don't connotate experience in the word.
MerlinsJester 1 year ago
Interesting to see how utterly different they fight.
HomunculusProject 1 year ago
Okay, let's lay it out for you ignoramuses:
Swordfighting, like anything combative, is dictated by the training and the sheer musculature- it's not like it is in the movies, and it's much, much more brutal and extensive than that shitty gladiator series lets on
Moving past that, in this spar, real combat cannot be effectively produced, due to rules, regulations, and so on. Funny thing is, the rules being used are standard kendo rules, where only full strikes count. Guess what? Fencer wins.
MerlinsJester 1 year ago
This is Thrand!!!
He needs a bigger Shield I can't see it. If he gets a 3' center boss round he will never get hit that 1" one doesn't seem to be helping him much :P
ThegnThrand 1 year ago 19
@ThegnThrand he has a shield!!/? *looks carefully* OOOH damm lol
CrimsonNasferatu 1 year ago
jungle love , oh wee oh wee oh , girl I wanna know ya ( know ya )
hellome2u2me 1 year ago
This kendo warrior-carotid fly!!!
kanzvay1 1 year ago
lol the kendo fighter cant fight;)
TheWuguanKoeln 1 year ago
@TheWuguanKoeln So true.
OMFGHUGEWOLF 1 year ago
whats the sport again? figure skating?
slavenvulic 1 year ago
@slavenvulic Sorry that civilized fighting goes over your head, sir.
MerlinsJester 1 year ago
@MerlinsJester civilized fighting? all i saw is guy in blue suit chasing guy who is figure skating in chain mail by sliding with his boots on polished wooden flood while actually pretending to have a shield
slavenvulic 1 year ago
@slavenvulic Then that shows what you know.
MerlinsJester 1 year ago
@MerlinsJester lol.. sure not gonna learn it from u
slavenvulic 1 year ago
@slavenvulic Dude, the "sliding step" is something used by Kendo specialists all the time; it's not fucking figure-skating.
Shields some in all sizes, so it hardly matters unless it's a real fight, due to the fact that a properly used shield would horribly slant the advantage to the one using the shield...
You seem to have the eyes of a layman, otherwise you'd pick up on things like this.
MerlinsJester 1 year ago
@MerlinsJester dude... buy glasses.. both in regards to video and my texting... i was reffering to ice skating of lancer... who happens to be boot sliding on wooden floor and barely can keep balance... u know what... nvm... sensei
slavenvulic 1 year ago
@slavenvulic Oh that. Yeah, boots like that are meant for rougher surfaces, like dirt roads, not a wooden floor that was waxed within an inch of its existence.
However, the point remains that the European-styled fighter is more competant than the Japanese-styled one, mainly due to the level of experience with the footwork and the plotting of steps.
MerlinsJester 1 year ago
That fencer needs to get some grips on his boots.
EliYBY 1 year ago
lol. sword & shield without a shield ? ;D
lolercoster899 1 year ago
@lolercoster899
It says sword and shield fencer, so usually he use a shield. You can somewhat see that in the way he hold his left hand. I suppose he didn't use the shield at this point is because he is training to be more defensive with his sword.
But I agree, it's kind of funny that they call him a sword and shield fencer.
gurkfisk89 1 year ago
los golpes del esgrimista no son letales.
marioshinobisama 1 year ago
Kendo contra esgrima medieval no es un combate muy adecuado, seria mejor si en lugar de kendo fuera kenjutsu.
marioshinobisama 1 year ago
Hmm id have to agree that historical fencing against kendo isnt ideal. A kenjutsu practitioner would be much better suited. Not to be 'that guy' but i saw a great many things the kendo could have done better. I myself have faced fencing with kenjutsu before and was more eventful
YouMayCallMeZero 1 year ago