It's not just at work that Makeup, Perfume, and reveling clothing is used as a weapon against men, it is used heavly in the dating games wemen play, they use these tools to attrack the kind of men they want to take advantage of, but when they start getting attention from men they deem as vermin, suddenly it's sexual harassment, they don't mind being objectifed by their intended victims, but if someone who doesn't fall into the bracket of their "ideal man" does it, then he's a pervert, a sexual
@mansuka1 predator. It's like going fishing for Great-White-Sharks, throwing a lot of Marlin-chum (fish bait and blood) into the water with a bit piece of Marlin fish on a hook ing the middle of it, and then complaining when a Great-White doesn't turn up immediately to get caught by you, but at the same time kicking up a bigger stink about all the other breeds and types of sharks that are turning up and taking a interest or bite out of the shark bait you through in the water, despite the fact
@mansuka1 that no matter what bait you used, you were never going to attract only that one type you intended to catch, because in truth all types of shark or men are attracted to the exact same kind of bait, no matter what, if you put the bait out there, your going to attract interest whether you like it or not.
I used the shark analigie here, not because I see us men as predators, and that that men are in the wrong, but because I thought it best described how wemen use their tools to ensnare
@mansuka1 men in order to use them, and complain in much the same way as a bad fisherman who decided to go fishing for only breed of fish, and came back angery that they didn't catch what they wanted, even though their nets were full of ever other kind of fish. The phrase "there are no good men left!" springs to mind, and it like many simalar phrases are complete bullshit.
Hell, a man just looking at women for more than a few seconds in the work place is considered sexual harassment. one of the worse things you can do at work is to become sexual involved with someone. no matter what the outcome you'll be paying out the ass
Both genders are expected to be hygienic and smell "nice" in business-- though most interview/business advice is avoid or wear something subtle because of allergies.
Women are expected to wear "tasteful" makeup to work and interviews. Not wearing makeup is considered unprofessional & unpolished! Makeup is required in business & the courtroom-- like a tie and nice shoes. Research "interview hygiene."
It's the media that makes women believe they should be groomed, also I don't understand the bit about perfume men wear cologne for the same purposes..
@commonloon0 No, it's not "the media", it's women's desire for sexual power over men.
As for men wearing cologne, the subject at hand is women's sexual harassment of men. The subject of men's harassment of women is a topic on it's own and is worthy of discussion. Indeed harassment by men is the ONLY type of harassment ever discussed anywhere else.
But THIS video is about women's harassment of men. Is this a little too much for you to deal with without attempting to target men as well?
@manwomanmyth As a whole maybe but anyway I have witnessed people getting told they need certain products for their hair or face by men and women, I know I wouldn't be wearing foundation if it weren't for getting made fun of for left over acne so it's pressure by the media to make people think they need to cake on products to feel better about themselves and for some attract the opposite sex, I didn't mean much about harassment because most perfumes/colognes I've smelled wouldn't attract a hobo
@manwomanmyth Also I'm actually a fan of your videos so I wasn't trying to attack men at all, personally the thought of using a scent to attract someone never crossed my mind that's why I posted that comment.
@commonloon0 I am confrontational at times, but it's all about the argument, it's not personal. It's irritating to me when there is a lack of focus on the issue at hand. Whenever negatives about women are discussed, almost instantly, men are brought into it as targets or blame-objects. It's deflection from highlighting the nature of women.
I disagree about societal pressure to wear make-up, it's always individual and it's always sexual. But your opinion is, of course, your business.
Please search "woman fired for no makeup" --this is apparently more common than you realize. Appearance bias commonly shows up in interviews-- the same as hiring "tall" men over their shorter peers. Obviously there is a line between "make-up for business" and "make-up for sexual desire"-- women should not be allowed to come into work with makeup like the Whore of Babylon. I'm not saying the system is right-- but there is a system. Wearing a silk tie is also playing the system.
@manwomanmyth For my own information, could you explain why you think women's choice to wear make-up is always sexual? I think most women would come back to that point with, "we don't wear make up for men we wear it for ourselves". This is the most common response I hear.
Keep makeup conservative. A little is usually better than none for a polished look. Nails should be clean and well groomed. Avoid extremes of nail length and polish color, especially in conservative industries."
Most interview advice mentions that not wearing makeup is seen as "unpolished" or "unprofessional." The same as a man showing up unshaved and scruffy.
OMG!! I'm so scared, how the hell to I disapprove a woman who has accused me of sexual harrasment . Help manandwomantruth, help?!?!?!?! I'm really scared of woman :(
I couldn't watch this video to the end, I found it to quickly become so mind numbingly stupid it was unbearable. Way to make a complete joke of the sexual harrasment issue by saying 'wearing perfume is a form of sexual harrasment'. Sexual harrasment is about intimidation. What's remotely threatening or intimidating about perfume? Seriously I couldn't stand to listen to this warped bullshit anymore.
@sadako24 You may comment here with your mis-defintions of sexual harassment and your evidently poor understanding of the issue, but keep your crass rudeness at bay. No further warnings will follow.
Regarding the only sensible thing you have said, the sexual harassment issue is indeed a "complete joke", but for reasons I doubt you'd understand.
You are clearly not fair-minded and have no knowledge of misandry in the legal system where sexual harassment legislation is concerned. Go elsewhere.
@manwomanmyth I know men can be criminalised by women for the wrong remark or showing of interest. There's a social bureaucracy with women where men can be treated as guilty of something they don't understand. I know there's male victims of female sexual harrasment (not by perfume) who often face no sympathy. A worthy case to make. But such cheap point-scoring- equating a woman's manner of dress with genuinely harmful behaviour like groping is morally skewed indeed & exposes it to usual ridicule
@sadako24 You continue to wilfully misunderstand the material. What you consider "genuinely harmful" sexual harassment is besides the point.
You claim to "know" about problems that men face in this area. Indeed you acknowledge that men can be "criminalised" for as little as the "wrong remark". You should have stopped there and shown some comprehension.
Instead, you fail see the main argument and stoop to inserting the almighty "but" into the argument. It's clear you don't understand, move on.
@manwomanmyth Ah, I see what you're up to now "besides the point", "you don't understand", "wearing perfume is sexual harrasment.... this is sexual harrasment, that's sexual harrasment, that kettle/arbitrary point of deflection I'm going to pretend is a link to the issue over there is sexual harrasment", "I know something you don't know"- all hollow, meaningless cryptic obfuscation for the sake of it just to sound clever and superior.
@sadako24 On the contrary, it is you that have come here with an agenda that doesn't fit the material. Pretty much everything I wanted to say about sexual harassment is in the film. There is no "obfuscation" or hidden knowledge or "deflection".
If YOU don't understand (as your initial rudeness and now your sustained denial suggests) or, if you DO understand, but decide to pick-and-choose what you regard as harassment to suit your agenda, then that's your business. The film is very clear.
@manwomanmyth " if you DO understand, but decide to pick-and-choose what you regard as harassment to suit your agenda,".... erm.... I'm not the one who said 'wearing perfume is sexual harrasment'.
@sadako24 I have covered many aspects of sexual harassment in this film. It's hardly picking and choosing, but you can describe it that way and it's of no matter.
You, however, have sad nothing of much relevance and I doubt you have produced anything of any relevance. You are simply a critic who has hardened ideas about the subject at hand and is not willing to divert from this. That's not always a bad thing except in cases like this, where it inhibits understanding of the male experience.
And if the government has to cheat the 1st amendment for women social and physiological protection then they should also cheat the 1st amendment when men sue women for false sexual harassment, or rape accusation. In fact if a women falsely accused a man for rape, we do not need more laws as it is already a felony. She framed a man.
sexual harassment laws in the US should be unconstitutional as it violates the 1st amendment. It is another excuse to regulate expression and in addition it regulate romance. Beside why do we need this law, companies would enforce their own sex policies. In fact some companies go further as they will not allow coworkers to have a relationships. Feminist are against this idea as it will take power away from them in many ways. One is they can not blackmail the company.
What if a man wore pants thats showed half of his penis? He'd be arrested. but women go around showing half their boobs and get angry when men look. Ladies it is in our genetic nature to want to look at such things. If looking at your chest is sexual harrassment then dont show them to me.
Comparing a penis to breast is illogical. In short: breasts are not genitals. Men can go around shirtless showing their breasts and not get arrested. Is the mammary gland a sexual organ? No, it used to feed infants. I wish I could say that women cannot go around flashing their vagina any more than a man can his penis-- but Britney Spears proved that wrong. That is where the genital double-standard actually lies.
I'm really glad the men I've worked with over the years haven't sued me for sexual harrassment - but I've always considered it quid pro quo and in good fun. In college one of the things we women learned pointedly from Chef was "If you go crying to Chef about sexist jokes, you'll be laughed out of a job." But: if women *don't* wear makeup and aren't pretty, we're lazy and aren't trying; we're always on show and always have to "look good". I like being beautiful; I also accept the attention.
I have been sexually harassed once, whether in workplace or in school, and it was NOT by a dude. It was by a 60 year old grandmother. I kid you not. Did anyone listen? They did when I threatened to sue the whole company. >:D
If perfume is sexual harassment then what are aftershave and cologne?
Both genders are expected to be hygienic and to smell "nice" in the workplace-- though most interview/business advice is to avoid it or wear something subtle because of allergies.
Women are expected to wear "tasteful" makeup to work and interviews. No makeup is considered unprofessional/unpolished. Makeup is required in business & the courtroom, like a tie. Google it or check Virgina Tech Interview Appearance.
Yeah, but try to get a dude wearing makeup to be taken seriously. I hate wearing makeup, and make a point never to wear it to work. That one is a huge double standard. When I see big bearded men wearing eyeliner to work, I'll wear some lipstick.
As for skirts and heels: NO, JUST NO! I can look perfectly professional in trousers and sensible shoes, and be able to do my job better because I'm comfy, thank you very much.
Notice interviews specifically --representation crucial there. If a person comes to a professional interview with messy hair and whatever is respectively seen as "unpolished" or "dressed down" then it matters (not to me!)-- to the Hiring Manager. Research shows interview are influenced by extremely shallow factors--appearance, height, firmness of the handshake, etc (among qualified candidates). Who wants to risk being passed over for appearing "scruffy" to the Hiring Manager?
I'm a feminist... I agree, make up, perfume, inappropriate clothes(including high heals) Are sexual harassment. Women need to stop depending on men for everything and stop trying to attract men so much.. God damn whores.
I see your point about sexual harrasment, but what about the cases that are genuine, are they going to be put in a box with the false claims, it should be on a case by case basist.
There should be a "consent log" which the every woman needs to fill in before she consents for sexual intercourse so that later she can't go back on her words and file a false sexual harassment case. If strictly enforced, it can save a lot of men from defamation.
@pleasantleethedragon Understand your point, but this means Feminist heaven: a lawyer in every relationship. Actually, 2 lawyers, one for each party. After all, we must ensure that innocent females are not coerced into signing consent by some evil man.
I remember a time when i was in school and it was break time. A girl in 3rd year (14 years old) was going aroung squezzing guys arses (Mine included). i seriously couldn't believe it but noone said anyone. I saw her do this on two occasions.
Well its about time. I am so glad I came across this vid. I was the only man with 6 women at work. They made comments about if I was gay or not. How I held a cup. Also one touched me on the leg when I was on the phone to an important person. The first thing one woman said to me when I started work was that if I was a Man I should prove it. Of course nothing was done and I ended up leaving with a nervous breakdown
@chemerblinker I honestly suspect they may have been trying to get a sexual harassment suite out of you, and its good that you did leave. Its probably the exact same reason there was no other men in that environment.
Some women do try to lure you into saying or doing something sexual to them and then turn around and say you sexually harassed them, even though they basically gave you the green light
Course the law will never believe you because you are a man
I agreed with the video up until the point where you mentioned that a woman putting on perfume, showing her breasts and applying make-up was a form of sexual harrassment! That's ridiculous! I would never say that a man goung around shirtless or using aftershave is sexual harrassment. It's completely over the top. Sorry.
@stephjuhler999 Its not sexual harassment but if women went to work more professionally and not dressed in a way that asks for sexual attraction it would probably reduce sexual harassment cases
@stephjuhler999 You seem intent on misunderstanding, or at least pretending to misunderstand, so that you can run-off-at-the-mouth about rape, victim-blaming and attacks on male behaviour. You're in the wrong place if that's your purpose here.
Your comments are not relevant to this film and so any more like this and you will be ejected.
@manwomanmyth I think YOU'RE the one who misunderstands my comments and which comments they were in response to. You're over-sensitive. But if the previous comment was so offensive fine I'll remove it.
@stephjuhler999 No, I disagree. You're not trying to be "fair" you're trying to be OVERLY fair. It's a trait in many men who are fantastic at seeing things from the female perspective, yet they wifully refuse to see things from the male perspective. It's part of something I call "the Male Condition."
You state on your channel page that you are: "Pro-animal rights. Pro-women's rights." However, you say nothing about being "pro" men's rights. This attitude is all too apparent in your comments.
@manwomanmyth Trait in many men?? I'm a WOMAN. My name is Stephanie Juhler, Steph is my nickname. Why did you think I was a man? Anyway, I did say that on my channel I am pro-women's rights because I have lived in an extremely misogynistic country for a few years where it's the rights of women and girls that are a terrible issue. I agree that in Western societies, males are treated slightly unfairly in some ways. I noticed this after watching your videos.
@stephjuhler999 However, when i created the channel I was living in a non-Western society where human rights was certainly an issue. That is, things affecting both men and women. But men were at a huge advantage socially, culturally, economically etc.
@stephjuhler999 "males are treated slightly unfairly in some ways"? lol
Whilst I'm glad to have shown you another view of things with the films, you are clearly a typical female-centrist (and they come in male and female packages so your particular sex is not the issue. Excuse the error).
In this "misogynistic" country you lived in, let me guess; it was so terrible for women there that when wars were fought or workers died on the job, it was overwhelmingly women ending up in body-bags. Close?
@sotonindeda Men do go around shirtless in some kinds of work, like if they were gardeners or underwear models. Men also wear cologne, instead of perfume, which IS for for attraction.
@stephjuhler999 ...newer seen a gardener shirtless... underwear models? that's what you consider as some serious work? ...and, let me see, cologne you say? ...no, there is no one in my bathroom... you are LIAR....
@sotonindeda I never said that's serious work, but it's work nonetheless. Of course not all men go to work shirtless, but not all women go to work in short skirts and perfume. In fact, where I work, all the women dress casually and most go round in very plain sweaters, jeans or t-shirts.
I am not a liar. I didn't say ALL men wear cologne to work, but some do, and it's NOT sexual harrassment. Just like when SOME women wear perfume it's NOT sexual harrassment.
@stephjuhler999 ...sorry... I thought you were one of those ''you are the nature's mistake, just because you are born with dick between your legs'', guess I was wrong about you... wrong person for arguing with... or am I wrong? ...because if you are one of those no matter what you say I would be against it... I use to be blind and support the feminism, but the problem was because I was born with dick between my legs and I didn't feel any guilt for that, and that was misogynist way of thinking...
I disagree with perfume and make-up as sexual harassment. As a man, I use good perfumes; I do not wear makeup, but I take good care for my grooming (hair, skin, beard, etc.) Plus, I go to gym and my clothing is the best quality/looks I can afford. Sure I can't show as much skin as her, but over the years I have realized that women are also vulnerable at this kind of attraction. But a man has to be very careful, since it is much more easier for a woman to claim harassment...
@oliverguerrero1 No offense, but you would be the only man I have ever met to have used perfume, BUT the exception does not disprove the rule.
As manwomanmyth said, perfume is not the same as deodorant. Perfume is only for one reason alone, to attract men, and wearing that in the workplace should be considered sexual harassment, and keeping up with personal hygiene does not count with trying to look attractive. --->
and for the record I never heard of a male perfume
@ManSpeakOut Wow...that you have never heard about male perfume makes me wonder what your background is. Call it cologne, eau de toilette, eau de perfume...something discrete, since is the workplace, with a pleasant fragrance like a ...deodorant! You may want to do a bit of research on that to learn about other societies and cultures because it has been used long before feminism started.
@oliverguerrero1 Perfume is just for the purpose of making you smell good deodorant is for the purpose of masking your body odor so others cannot smell it, it also uses better smells to cover over it to increase its efficiency.
Perfume does not do that.
Deodorant goes on your arm pits for a reason, perfume does not.
Women spray perfume on their wrists and everywhere else except where the biggest source of where body odor comes from, which is why women wear both.
@oliverguerrero1 No employer would hire someone with a big beard, smells bad, and in some work environments not hire someone out of shape.
Those are the standard requirements, but women do above that. They dress to allure and attract, and that should be considered sexual harassment. It should be obvious if you come across a female co-worker who is wearing perfume and her breasts are sticking out in her uniform, it should be obvious what her intentions are.
@ManSpeakOut Well, I've never said that the way of dressing is not sexual harassment. A woman should dress according to her work environment. A strong intense perfume can be disturbing to some and therefore treated that way: as a disturbing action that has to stop. Yet, I dont consider it sexual harassment. But, if you are not used dealing with people wearing perfume (in America people does it--all genders, all ages) then you are going to have some problems with its interpretation in your mind.
@oliverguerrero1 If their intention was to not attract men, then they would only wear deodorant, but they don't. Thats the point I am trying to make. They try to increase their sex appeal by wearing perfume along with deodorant.
There is a difference.
The biggest point I am trying to make is that men and women do different things to attract the opposite sex, women do so by increasing their sex appeal to make men want to be chosen by them, and men do whatever they can to be chosen. --->
Ok, I understand your point about laws today in western society. But is just that the perfume thing seems to me exaggerated. Tomorrow, have a shower, groom yourself, wear normal clean clothing and spray yourself with some Tommy Hillfiger (for men) wherever you want. Get into the metro at peak hour and I guarantee you'll turn female heads toward you. Go to your office, approach to any female co-worker and see her reaction. Then write back how many complaints or sexual harassment charges you had.
Women have done that in the past, dress themselves up and go to work with the attention of attracting a man, and when one man does make a move, accuse him of sexual harassment, because he misunderstood how she was presenting herself.
Men cannot do that, cause sexual harassment women do to men is seen by western society as not bad and as non threatening and is overlooked. Anytime a man files sexual harassment, people are skeptical about it.
@oliverguerrero1 Plus in most of western society men think its weak/gay to wear perfume since most define it as a female only item. Thats how my father and how all his friends were and my friends and their friends and so on. From what I known, men get picked on for wearing perfume and would rather slit their own throat then wear any.
Course I am not trying to insult you in any way, its just how things are right now.
@oliverguerrero1 Its just simple fact, women attract through appearance and men attract through actions, but the law only arrests men that do actions and ignore women who try to attract with their appearance.
Just think for a moment, when a man looks at a woman for the first time what is going to spark his interest in that woman? Yep, her looks, women dress to attract, and smell is one of those tools.
@ManSpeakOut I find your "fact about gender attraction" very narrow minded. That's why I encourage you to research and to experiment; there is more in the western world than what you have heard about gays and perfumes. I was raised in a family where all my uncles and father groomed themselves and used cologne. It is a men's rite to shave, groom and made yourself as presentable as possible. I have found out it has positive effect in myself, my business and it attracts women as hell.
@oliverguerrero1 All men do that, its part of personal hygiene, but looks are not enough. Men must go to the women to attract them, do stuff they find appealing etc etc.
Keeping your hair from looking dirty and messy, shaving is all personal hygiene and means little when attracting women.
and no I am not being narrow minded, when the bulk of the population is doing the things I have mentioned, it only proves my claim. There are exceptions to everything but exceptions do not disprove the rule.
@ManSpeakOut Looks are not enough -- I agree; a man has to act. But looks count too for men, maybe not in the same proportion as with women but this part should not be underestimated or discarded at all. Every interaction involves external perception (looks, sounds, odor). People start making decisions about you in less than a minute of interaction and this counts for women relating to men too. That is why I find narrow-minded the idea that women are attracted to 'actions' only...
Women do not need to act, they just need to have sex appeal.
Men don't need to look handsome to get women, it bases down to their goals and achievements in life is what baits women. How you approach them, how you talk, and what you do on a date is what attracts women.
Looks is a part of the equation but a small one at that.
@oliverguerrero1 and for the record I never said actions only, I said the majority of attracting comes from the actions you take.
It sparks interest for women, but for them to remain interested, you must dance and not goof up much to keep their attention. You do too many things they do not like and they lose interest. Which is why I say men dance and women choose.
@ManSpeakOut Take a look back back at your comments, you wrote this: "Its just simple fact, women attract through appearance and men attract through actions", Im not misquoting you. It sparks interest in women; that's the effect of attraction which you have just acknowledged. Having purpose and achievements in life is reflected in your confidence level and if my life's direction is compatible with hers we may reach a long term arrangement. But that is another topic, we're on "attraction" here.
@ManSpeakOut Ok, this is my last comment on this. Attraction is triggered by a combination of factors like u mentioned but if you rule out appearance you're selling yourself short. Discipline, order and good taste in a man can be deducted from his appearance. Back up all of this with other qualities like self-confidence, humor, leadership, maturity and you have a killer combination. Power attracts; but it doesnt mean normal men cant get a good pretty loyal woman..nor is an excuse for not trying
Clown fish (male raises the young and change sex), bower bird (male builds the nest to attract the female)-- some species of fish females fight over males (rare but documented in nature shows), some species (whiptails) are hermaphroditic. "Everywhere" in the animal kingdom is a fallacious argument. Has female choice been the driving factor in human evolution? This seems undeniable from current research. (Except for prisoners of war and slaves who were given no choices.)
@themondracon Its actually a species need to change to better adapt to its environment that drives evolution.
Pigs are a very good example of this.
If a domestic pig escapes into the wild and breeds with another domestic, a few generations down the road, the babies will start to take on the physical features of a wild pig/boar. Such as grow bigger tusks and so forth.
Pigs evolve quickly and their physical features change according to what environment they live in.
I am quite aware of this. But sexual dimorphism is also a strong factor. The long tails of peacocks actually REDUCE their changes of survival. These tails ONLY increase their ability to produce offspring (females find it desirable and are more willing to mate). I did not say it was the ONLY factor, it most certainly is not. But you mentioned that females choose. I merely elaborated on that.
@themondracon Sexual reproduction is one of the most important things in the survival of a species. Why do you think animals and even humans are wired to desire and crave sex? The only instinct that is stronger then that of sex is survival.
Some species focus more on reproduction then their ability to survive like the peacock, because the species survives through reproducing.
@themondracon So its not female choice, but the instinct of survival that drives evolution.
Many species have evolved since the age of the dinosaurs.
Saying female choice had any influence in human evolution is unsupportable, its like saying female choice is what led sharks to evolve.
If the planet at some point drastically change in a few thousand years, evolution would take place and man would again evolve to increase chances of survival.
@ManSpeakOut I find your "fact about gender attraction" very narrow minded. That's why I encourage you to research and to experiment; there is more in the western world than what you have heard about gays and perfumes. I was raised in a family where all my uncles and father groomed themselves and used cologne. It is a men's rite to shave, groom and made yourself as presentable as possible. I have found out it has positive effect in myself, my business and it attracts women as hell.
@oliverguerrero1 Now I think about it women also sometimes try to attract through actions, and even try so in the workplace, even though its considered sexual harassment, they let her go because she is female
If it had been a man that done it, he would be arrested without question or proof from the woman.
Which is why I am terrified to be alone with a woman anywhere, due to the fact I could end up behind bars on her accusal alone
Like rape, that is a biggy when talking about false accusations
@oliverguerrero1 and make-up is unnecessary, if it does not help you do your job its not necessary.
The only thing that should be worn at work is clothing that leaves a positive reflection on you and the company you work for, anything above it is unnecessary and unprofessional, and women dressing in this manner is unprofessional.
The company building should look like a company building, not a strip club.
I've actually read up on it, and the definition of sexual harassment is pretty much what you showed in the "boston legal" clip. You're not guilty until proven innocent; you're just guilty
Both men and women are sexual creatures but due to being different, react sexually in different ways. Men use words, women express it by how they dress.
Its part if the biological programming built deep into our minds. Men do the dancing and women do the choosing. Men do what they can to be chosen and women do whatever they can so men want to choose them.
Course women dress sexually so men want to choose them, and men use words and other tactics to be chosen.
Ok women, you ask why the man you like at work is ignoring you? This is it, cause who knows if you get into relationship, and it goes sour, you can falsely accuse him of sexual harassment in the workplace to get back at him, regardless if he done anything or not.
Even if you do not plan to, thousands of women have done it in the past, which has created the red flag in men's minds when you come onto them in the workplace, and try to limit contact with women to the necessities.
If you are offended by the way someone interacts with you, the decent and sensible thing to do is to confront them and tell them it made you feel uncomfortable. It is cruel to disproportionately hurt them by stealing their money and ruining their reputation just for being overly friendly, or for unwanted flirting. You don't always need to hurt someone in order to correct their behaviour, and even if they do deserve to suffer consequences, it should be up to their employer not the police.
There are so many petty matters that are not worthy of court time, and where punishmnt is not necessary to correct misbehaviour, and yet the police want to get involved in all our personal problems. There was a time when the police were an emergency service, but now they are hyper-sensitive. They think all life's problems can ONLY be solved with the assitance of the government. I think they just make matters worse.
I was accused of sexual harassment for complimenting a waitress, in a jocular fashion, on her muscular calves. I was NOT trying to be sexual. BTW, I was cook, this was in the kitchen, and I thought that we were on friendly enough terms that she wouldn't be offended. I learned a lesson there...TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT!
As a cook in a bistro, one of the waiters maintained that women were better than men, to which I said ( jokingly)...that's because your half and half! I was reprimanded by management
I would have never had any harassment on my own, it took the presence of a man who did not understand the concept of no or stop or I am not interested or please leave me alone. I understand that some men think I'm interested in having something sexual with them, but the wedding ring & copious gay symbols should make it clear that I am not a potential mate & I am not interested in having sex! Why still do they persist even when everything I do says "I am not interested!"
@fireincarnation2 Yes, and there are some who are that stupid. IDK; probably willful blindness. Unfortunately, we're judged based on those idiots. I've been on both sides; it's not a pleasant experience.
@fireincarnation2 ...you are a LIAR!...first you say ''a MAN who did not understand the concept of no or stop or I am not interested or please leave me alone.'' but then you say '' I understand that some MEN think I'm interested in having something sexual with them..'' and ''Why still do THEY persist even when everything I do says '''I'm not interesting'''.... you are LIAR... or you tried to say that MAN is THEY, because he have multy personality disorder...
You can't blame my sexual harassment on the "inappropriate work atttire." Our uniform included unisex T-shirts and baggy black pants. I wore no makeup or perfume, and if I had, it wouldn't have improved my sexiness since I was soon covered in pizza grease. I wore chunky heels so I could better reach into the pizza oven, since I'm a short woman and bumping the bottom of the oven left nasty burns on my co-workers. I doubt anyone could tell under those baggy pants. Why was I sexually harassed?
@DMHR100 Cheers for this and did I consider that film at the time. However, there was no real reason to focus on that kind of unusual sexual harassment from a woman, when it occurs in numerous other ways in most places of work every day.
If you replaced the word "men" with black and the word "women" with whites, you would have 1000 responses calling you an idiot, so why do you think it is acceptable to generalize about men?
@ValiantVendetta because it's acceptable to talk about men that way. Discrimination never seems to disappear. It just takes different forms and different targets.
I never touched them inappropriately, never pressured them into doing anything. I just... well, I complained about my lack of luck finding a girl. It was an unpleasant experience, but I have learned something. Do not say she looks attractive, do not mention any kind of relationship, do not try flirting with a woman and if you are accused of something, you are considered guilty until proven innocent. If I don't remember this, I've got a good chance of this happening again.
I've been accused of sexual harassment when I went to school. There was someone I knew who was complaining about relationship difficulties. I sympathized, told her she was attractive, and gave a couple of similar problems I had. A couple days later, i was confronted by the counselor who told me a couple women were complaining I was "coming on to them". They didn't even bother to ask for my side of the story; they had already made up their minds.
sadly, what many do not understand is that sexual harassment is about power, not gender. Either gender will do it if they think they can get away with it. It can take many different forms and each person reacts to it differently.
There was a case of a man being sexually harrased by a woman in california. She literally told him he had to fuck her or lose his job. When he filed a case against her, they laughed him out of court even in the face of evidence. That's the problem with these laws, they are only for women. It is contrary equal protection under the law.
And yes. I have been in london a lot the past 2 years and I NEVER EVER allow myself to be alone with a woman. Not even an indian woman. All they need to do is 'cry rape' and your scumbag criminal cops are going to kidnap me.
And these 'cougars'. Ugh. This woman came into the office the other day. Shes 50+ but she dressed like a 16 year old slut. Caked on makeup, tits hanging out, fishnet stockings and high heels. THAT should DEFINITELY be illegal!! Scared my retinas. Women have always dressed like sluts in the workplace to attract men. And one of the most dangerous things you can do is to tell they they are unattractive and you don't want to talk to them.
Since I have travelled all over the world for work, especially Asia, I've had women throw themselves at me all over the place. If I did the same I would have had a hundred sexual harassment cases against me. Hell, 25 years ago I stopped going to pubs in the city in sydney because when you came back with your hands full of beers for your mates women would grab your crotch to 'get a feel'. What would they do if you grabbed their breats? Scream assault. Women are a disgrace now.
A work collegues 16 yeaer old son started work at a factory & on his first day he was stripped naked & coated head to toe in grease by all the women on the production line. He then had to endure comments about his penis size for weeks afterwards. He stuck at it because he was expected to & it was "only a bit of fun". Wonder what would have happened if he just walked up to one of these women & felt her breasts. I wonder.
I know at least 2 women who have faked sexual harassment lawsuits... as a woman it makes me disgusted. Unfortunately I wear make up at my job, but i try not to wear promiscuous clothing. It makes me sad, though, that men are now afraid of calling women attractive because of these stupid lawsuits. I like feeling attractive, and it is possible to be that way without leading anyone on. Thank you for this...
@csscadestompp You like feeling attractive to whom? Consider that the only reason you feel good is that you are inducing a libidinous response in men and that women realize that you are leveraging your sexuality.
What is the worst thing that would happen to you if you wore the same amount of make-up as the average man?
@feministsAreCorrupt Sorry perhaps I was unclear.I like feeling attractive to men in general, not in the workplace. ur right though if I wore no makeup nothing would change except that Id look sleepy. I think its appropriate to be flirtatious in a random social situation though eg an interaction at a store or smthg. If 2people xchange a flirty glance/smile even if they never see each other again that moment brightens their day. My point was that even that is almost gone now cuz of lawsuits.
Another recurrung theme on American tv is making jokes out of men who have infertility problems but it's serious business if a woman has problems getting pregnant. I saw a show where they continued to belittle the man for having low sperm count but on another show both the men and women were sensitive to the woman's needs. Anyone else tired of this nonsense?
@Njderig American TV is about selling product to women because women control the bulk of the money. Most American women enjoy being entertained by shows that demonstrate how smart women are and just how dumb men are.
Women have no problem being overtly sexual towards male co-workers, as long as these co-workers are bosses or other such higher-positioned men, then they can use the sex for advancement.
This is another reason why women don't belong at work.
@perogie34 Your use of the term "prey on women" is offensive and misandric and misandry is not tolerated on this channel. Don't use phraseology like that regarding men if you wish to continue commenting here. No further warnings will follow.
"Anti-male" is one thing and anti-woman is another. Both are bad. Please replace the gender pronoun in "This is another reason why women don't belong at work" with its opposite to see your bias.
The sky is one thing and the ocean is another. Both are blue. Obviously this doesn't mean they are the same thing, that was how you chose to spin it so that you can quibble instead of giving a legitimate answer. Both anti-male sentiments and anti-female sentiments are "bad" because both are biases destructive to society and people. However, they are not the same bias, Sir Quibbler.
What do you mean by "natural?" Natural as in the luxury model of successful western society since 1900s? Or during the Industrial Revolution when children & women also 'manned' factories? Or primitive agriculture where man plowed, woman sowed carried water & everyone worked harvest? Or back to tribes where every member had to work to survive-- leisure was a luxury not afforded. Saying women do not work because it is their nature not to is laughable. Humans work, that is survival. Pt. 3
Do you mean it is natural for men to be breadwinners? In tribes everyone had to collect food and process it. The hunters (men) risked their lives to hunt dangerous, high protein meat sources and skin the beasts for hides. Women gathered, fished, collected small game-- they made leather, tents, bindings, etc. Every bone and fur had to be utilized for tools and textiles. In impoverished nations the whole family MUST work or starve. Why do you imagine women "naturally" do not work?
"The Sioux are patriarchal and have historically had highly defined gender roles. In the 19th century...ritualized customs pertaining to gender were recorded among the Sioux, e.g. that the women were to walk five feet behind the men in processions (among the Lakota), and that men customarily harvested wild rice whereas women harvested all other grain (among the Dakota or Santee)"
Women working: been happening since humans existed. Going to make it illegal like child labor?
@themondracon Take the mouse for example, it literally has no abilities dedicated for survival, all it can do is run when faced with danger and has no means of defense.
The mouse though does have one ability, the ability to reproduce incredibly fast.
The way you phrased it was contradictory. Unless you explain, writing "A and B are different. Both are the same" is contradictory. Oh and the ocean isn't blue, Lady Clueless.
Further, in cases where the husband is able to bring abundance, women need not work outside the home. You tie modern wage-earning work with home-making which isn't the same thing. Next you;ll claim women have always changed diapers, therefore women should be in government.
@lonewolf1369 This is hardly accurate. I take "mangina" to mean a male Feminist or Feminist apologist and he is neither. His views are highly representative of most people in the UK and elsewhere: men, women, Feminists and non-Feminists alike. That's why I put the footage in.
In terms of tackling this general view, well that's what the whole video is about.
@manwomanmyth Notice how it is a joke when it comes to a woman harassing a man in any way. There was a time it was not a joke and these women would burn for behaving in such a manner. Just a fact. Think about it.
@manwomanmyth well I remember him in the "Men are disposable" video series, where he thinks a man has the 'duty' to protect a woman and put himself at risk. This struck me as him being a huge mangina.
@Doxi99 Bingo! Though I love women, I think they are all a little insane! Comedians joke about how women are crazy when they're PMS, or when they're just plain crazy...expecting men to read their minds, and, when we can't, we are insensitive, chauvinist pigs!
Excellent piece on sexual harrassment in the workplace.
Women "feel good" when they attract male attention and then exercise their power to reject it, especially in the work place. We wonder how this new-found freedom to wear revealing blouses, short skirts and fashionable accessories with legal protection against unwanted attention will escalate with time. Want to fit in with the guys? Don't wear clothing that draws attention.
It's not just at work that Makeup, Perfume, and reveling clothing is used as a weapon against men, it is used heavly in the dating games wemen play, they use these tools to attrack the kind of men they want to take advantage of, but when they start getting attention from men they deem as vermin, suddenly it's sexual harassment, they don't mind being objectifed by their intended victims, but if someone who doesn't fall into the bracket of their "ideal man" does it, then he's a pervert, a sexual
mansuka1 1 month ago
@mansuka1 predator. It's like going fishing for Great-White-Sharks, throwing a lot of Marlin-chum (fish bait and blood) into the water with a bit piece of Marlin fish on a hook ing the middle of it, and then complaining when a Great-White doesn't turn up immediately to get caught by you, but at the same time kicking up a bigger stink about all the other breeds and types of sharks that are turning up and taking a interest or bite out of the shark bait you through in the water, despite the fact
mansuka1 1 month ago
@mansuka1 that no matter what bait you used, you were never going to attract only that one type you intended to catch, because in truth all types of shark or men are attracted to the exact same kind of bait, no matter what, if you put the bait out there, your going to attract interest whether you like it or not.
I used the shark analigie here, not because I see us men as predators, and that that men are in the wrong, but because I thought it best described how wemen use their tools to ensnare
mansuka1 1 month ago
@mansuka1 men in order to use them, and complain in much the same way as a bad fisherman who decided to go fishing for only breed of fish, and came back angery that they didn't catch what they wanted, even though their nets were full of ever other kind of fish. The phrase "there are no good men left!" springs to mind, and it like many simalar phrases are complete bullshit.
mansuka1 1 month ago
Hell, a man just looking at women for more than a few seconds in the work place is considered sexual harassment. one of the worse things you can do at work is to become sexual involved with someone. no matter what the outcome you'll be paying out the ass
xXBurningDesire 2 months ago
8:33 Why do they call it the wonder bra?
- Because when she takes it off, you wonder where everything went
hondacivic1992 3 months ago
Reposting (was not offensive, why remove?)
Perfume= sexual harassment then cologne= ???
Both genders are expected to be hygienic and smell "nice" in business-- though most interview/business advice is avoid or wear something subtle because of allergies.
Women are expected to wear "tasteful" makeup to work and interviews. Not wearing makeup is considered unprofessional & unpolished! Makeup is required in business & the courtroom-- like a tie and nice shoes. Research "interview hygiene."
themondracon 4 months ago
It's the media that makes women believe they should be groomed, also I don't understand the bit about perfume men wear cologne for the same purposes..
commonloon0 5 months ago
@commonloon0 No, it's not "the media", it's women's desire for sexual power over men.
As for men wearing cologne, the subject at hand is women's sexual harassment of men. The subject of men's harassment of women is a topic on it's own and is worthy of discussion. Indeed harassment by men is the ONLY type of harassment ever discussed anywhere else.
But THIS video is about women's harassment of men. Is this a little too much for you to deal with without attempting to target men as well?
manwomanmyth 5 months ago
@manwomanmyth As a whole maybe but anyway I have witnessed people getting told they need certain products for their hair or face by men and women, I know I wouldn't be wearing foundation if it weren't for getting made fun of for left over acne so it's pressure by the media to make people think they need to cake on products to feel better about themselves and for some attract the opposite sex, I didn't mean much about harassment because most perfumes/colognes I've smelled wouldn't attract a hobo
commonloon0 5 months ago
@manwomanmyth Also I'm actually a fan of your videos so I wasn't trying to attack men at all, personally the thought of using a scent to attract someone never crossed my mind that's why I posted that comment.
commonloon0 5 months ago
@commonloon0 I am confrontational at times, but it's all about the argument, it's not personal. It's irritating to me when there is a lack of focus on the issue at hand. Whenever negatives about women are discussed, almost instantly, men are brought into it as targets or blame-objects. It's deflection from highlighting the nature of women.
I disagree about societal pressure to wear make-up, it's always individual and it's always sexual. But your opinion is, of course, your business.
manwomanmyth 5 months ago 2
@manwomanmyth
Please search "woman fired for no makeup" --this is apparently more common than you realize. Appearance bias commonly shows up in interviews-- the same as hiring "tall" men over their shorter peers. Obviously there is a line between "make-up for business" and "make-up for sexual desire"-- women should not be allowed to come into work with makeup like the Whore of Babylon. I'm not saying the system is right-- but there is a system. Wearing a silk tie is also playing the system.
themondracon 4 months ago
@manwomanmyth For my own information, could you explain why you think women's choice to wear make-up is always sexual? I think most women would come back to that point with, "we don't wear make up for men we wear it for ourselves". This is the most common response I hear.
louea380 2 months ago
@manwomanmyth
Do you consider every perfume or cologne harassment, regardless of gender?
themondracon 4 months ago
@commonloon0
"Cosmetics:
Keep makeup conservative. A little is usually better than none for a polished look. Nails should be clean and well groomed. Avoid extremes of nail length and polish color, especially in conservative industries."
Most interview advice mentions that not wearing makeup is seen as "unpolished" or "unprofessional." The same as a man showing up unshaved and scruffy.
themondracon 4 months ago
in school, i remember, women never sexually harrased men.
Hemouth 6 months ago
OMG!! I'm so scared, how the hell to I disapprove a woman who has accused me of sexual harrasment . Help manandwomantruth, help?!?!?!?! I'm really scared of woman :(
Manoffriendship 6 months ago
I couldn't watch this video to the end, I found it to quickly become so mind numbingly stupid it was unbearable. Way to make a complete joke of the sexual harrasment issue by saying 'wearing perfume is a form of sexual harrasment'. Sexual harrasment is about intimidation. What's remotely threatening or intimidating about perfume? Seriously I couldn't stand to listen to this warped bullshit anymore.
sadako24 8 months ago
@sadako24 You may comment here with your mis-defintions of sexual harassment and your evidently poor understanding of the issue, but keep your crass rudeness at bay. No further warnings will follow.
Regarding the only sensible thing you have said, the sexual harassment issue is indeed a "complete joke", but for reasons I doubt you'd understand.
You are clearly not fair-minded and have no knowledge of misandry in the legal system where sexual harassment legislation is concerned. Go elsewhere.
manwomanmyth 8 months ago
@manwomanmyth I know men can be criminalised by women for the wrong remark or showing of interest. There's a social bureaucracy with women where men can be treated as guilty of something they don't understand. I know there's male victims of female sexual harrasment (not by perfume) who often face no sympathy. A worthy case to make. But such cheap point-scoring- equating a woman's manner of dress with genuinely harmful behaviour like groping is morally skewed indeed & exposes it to usual ridicule
sadako24 8 months ago
@sadako24 You continue to wilfully misunderstand the material. What you consider "genuinely harmful" sexual harassment is besides the point.
You claim to "know" about problems that men face in this area. Indeed you acknowledge that men can be "criminalised" for as little as the "wrong remark". You should have stopped there and shown some comprehension.
Instead, you fail see the main argument and stoop to inserting the almighty "but" into the argument. It's clear you don't understand, move on.
manwomanmyth 8 months ago
@manwomanmyth Ah, I see what you're up to now "besides the point", "you don't understand", "wearing perfume is sexual harrasment.... this is sexual harrasment, that's sexual harrasment, that kettle/arbitrary point of deflection I'm going to pretend is a link to the issue over there is sexual harrasment", "I know something you don't know"- all hollow, meaningless cryptic obfuscation for the sake of it just to sound clever and superior.
sadako24 8 months ago
@sadako24 On the contrary, it is you that have come here with an agenda that doesn't fit the material. Pretty much everything I wanted to say about sexual harassment is in the film. There is no "obfuscation" or hidden knowledge or "deflection".
If YOU don't understand (as your initial rudeness and now your sustained denial suggests) or, if you DO understand, but decide to pick-and-choose what you regard as harassment to suit your agenda, then that's your business. The film is very clear.
manwomanmyth 8 months ago
@manwomanmyth " if you DO understand, but decide to pick-and-choose what you regard as harassment to suit your agenda,".... erm.... I'm not the one who said 'wearing perfume is sexual harrasment'.
sadako24 8 months ago
@sadako24 I have covered many aspects of sexual harassment in this film. It's hardly picking and choosing, but you can describe it that way and it's of no matter.
You, however, have sad nothing of much relevance and I doubt you have produced anything of any relevance. You are simply a critic who has hardened ideas about the subject at hand and is not willing to divert from this. That's not always a bad thing except in cases like this, where it inhibits understanding of the male experience.
manwomanmyth 8 months ago
And if the government has to cheat the 1st amendment for women social and physiological protection then they should also cheat the 1st amendment when men sue women for false sexual harassment, or rape accusation. In fact if a women falsely accused a man for rape, we do not need more laws as it is already a felony. She framed a man.
WEH1123 9 months ago
sexual harassment laws in the US should be unconstitutional as it violates the 1st amendment. It is another excuse to regulate expression and in addition it regulate romance. Beside why do we need this law, companies would enforce their own sex policies. In fact some companies go further as they will not allow coworkers to have a relationships. Feminist are against this idea as it will take power away from them in many ways. One is they can not blackmail the company.
WEH1123 9 months ago
What if a man wore pants thats showed half of his penis? He'd be arrested. but women go around showing half their boobs and get angry when men look. Ladies it is in our genetic nature to want to look at such things. If looking at your chest is sexual harrassment then dont show them to me.
Dickbaum 9 months ago
@Dickbaum
Comparing a penis to breast is illogical. In short: breasts are not genitals. Men can go around shirtless showing their breasts and not get arrested. Is the mammary gland a sexual organ? No, it used to feed infants. I wish I could say that women cannot go around flashing their vagina any more than a man can his penis-- but Britney Spears proved that wrong. That is where the genital double-standard actually lies.
themondracon 4 months ago
What a bunch of sexist pigs on this channel. Ironic how the word "equality" is in the title, yet all the viewers seem to be in a different mindstate.
kittycatcarley 9 months ago
@silicon605 And what exactly is considered "far too revealing" to you?
kittycatcarley 9 months ago
I'm really glad the men I've worked with over the years haven't sued me for sexual harrassment - but I've always considered it quid pro quo and in good fun. In college one of the things we women learned pointedly from Chef was "If you go crying to Chef about sexist jokes, you'll be laughed out of a job." But: if women *don't* wear makeup and aren't pretty, we're lazy and aren't trying; we're always on show and always have to "look good". I like being beautiful; I also accept the attention.
TwyztdValkyrie 10 months ago
I have been sexually harassed once, whether in workplace or in school, and it was NOT by a dude. It was by a 60 year old grandmother. I kid you not. Did anyone listen? They did when I threatened to sue the whole company. >:D
MadamAurantia 11 months ago
Those example you give from 24, particuarly 10:05..if anyone were to say 'oh christ its just TV!' I may likely spit on them.
Abobojo 11 months ago
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themondracon 11 months ago
If perfume is sexual harassment then what are aftershave and cologne?
Both genders are expected to be hygienic and to smell "nice" in the workplace-- though most interview/business advice is to avoid it or wear something subtle because of allergies.
Women are expected to wear "tasteful" makeup to work and interviews. No makeup is considered unprofessional/unpolished. Makeup is required in business & the courtroom, like a tie. Google it or check Virgina Tech Interview Appearance.
themondracon 11 months ago
@themondracon
Yeah, but try to get a dude wearing makeup to be taken seriously. I hate wearing makeup, and make a point never to wear it to work. That one is a huge double standard. When I see big bearded men wearing eyeliner to work, I'll wear some lipstick.
As for skirts and heels: NO, JUST NO! I can look perfectly professional in trousers and sensible shoes, and be able to do my job better because I'm comfy, thank you very much.
Scents... equal, therefore safe.
MadamAurantia 11 months ago
@MadamAurantia
Notice interviews specifically --representation crucial there. If a person comes to a professional interview with messy hair and whatever is respectively seen as "unpolished" or "dressed down" then it matters (not to me!)-- to the Hiring Manager. Research shows interview are influenced by extremely shallow factors--appearance, height, firmness of the handshake, etc (among qualified candidates). Who wants to risk being passed over for appearing "scruffy" to the Hiring Manager?
themondracon 4 months ago
I'm a feminist... I agree, make up, perfume, inappropriate clothes(including high heals) Are sexual harassment. Women need to stop depending on men for everything and stop trying to attract men so much.. God damn whores.
Shiroitora55 1 year ago
I see your point about sexual harrasment, but what about the cases that are genuine, are they going to be put in a box with the false claims, it should be on a case by case basist.
nikkles88 1 year ago
Wait,wait I agree us guys are abused but makeup and perfume is considered sexual harassment ? Seriously?
NumeralKillerlive 1 year ago
There should be a "consent log" which the every woman needs to fill in before she consents for sexual intercourse so that later she can't go back on her words and file a false sexual harassment case. If strictly enforced, it can save a lot of men from defamation.
pleasantleethedragon 1 year ago
@pleasantleethedragon Understand your point, but this means Feminist heaven: a lawyer in every relationship. Actually, 2 lawyers, one for each party. After all, we must ensure that innocent females are not coerced into signing consent by some evil man.
manwomanmyth 1 year ago 5
@manwomanmyth Hmmmm. Yeah, that's also true.
pleasantleethedragon 1 year ago
I remember a time when i was in school and it was break time. A girl in 3rd year (14 years old) was going aroung squezzing guys arses (Mine included). i seriously couldn't believe it but noone said anyone. I saw her do this on two occasions.
LouisShields 1 year ago
Well its about time. I am so glad I came across this vid. I was the only man with 6 women at work. They made comments about if I was gay or not. How I held a cup. Also one touched me on the leg when I was on the phone to an important person. The first thing one woman said to me when I started work was that if I was a Man I should prove it. Of course nothing was done and I ended up leaving with a nervous breakdown
chemerblinker 1 year ago
@chemerblinker ...you know the women true nature now...
sotonindeda 1 year ago
@chemerblinker I honestly suspect they may have been trying to get a sexual harassment suite out of you, and its good that you did leave. Its probably the exact same reason there was no other men in that environment.
Some women do try to lure you into saying or doing something sexual to them and then turn around and say you sexually harassed them, even though they basically gave you the green light
Course the law will never believe you because you are a man
Sorry for what they put you through
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
I agreed with the video up until the point where you mentioned that a woman putting on perfume, showing her breasts and applying make-up was a form of sexual harrassment! That's ridiculous! I would never say that a man goung around shirtless or using aftershave is sexual harrassment. It's completely over the top. Sorry.
stephjuhler999 1 year ago
@stephjuhler999 I think what hes saying is that women complain about things they are the cause of.
LouisShields 1 year ago
@LouisShields That's not the impression I got.
stephjuhler999 1 year ago
@stephjuhler999 I think what hes saying is that women complain about how men look at them and still they contine to do these things.
LouisShields 1 year ago
@stephjuhler999 Its not sexual harassment but if women went to work more professionally and not dressed in a way that asks for sexual attraction it would probably reduce sexual harassment cases
haris1254 1 year ago
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stephjuhler999 1 year ago
@stephjuhler999 You seem intent on misunderstanding, or at least pretending to misunderstand, so that you can run-off-at-the-mouth about rape, victim-blaming and attacks on male behaviour. You're in the wrong place if that's your purpose here.
Your comments are not relevant to this film and so any more like this and you will be ejected.
manwomanmyth 1 year ago 2
@manwomanmyth I think YOU'RE the one who misunderstands my comments and which comments they were in response to. You're over-sensitive. But if the previous comment was so offensive fine I'll remove it.
stephjuhler999 1 year ago
@manwomanmyth I'm actually trying very hard to be fair.
stephjuhler999 1 year ago
@stephjuhler999 No, I disagree. You're not trying to be "fair" you're trying to be OVERLY fair. It's a trait in many men who are fantastic at seeing things from the female perspective, yet they wifully refuse to see things from the male perspective. It's part of something I call "the Male Condition."
You state on your channel page that you are: "Pro-animal rights. Pro-women's rights." However, you say nothing about being "pro" men's rights. This attitude is all too apparent in your comments.
manwomanmyth 1 year ago 13
@manwomanmyth Trait in many men?? I'm a WOMAN. My name is Stephanie Juhler, Steph is my nickname. Why did you think I was a man? Anyway, I did say that on my channel I am pro-women's rights because I have lived in an extremely misogynistic country for a few years where it's the rights of women and girls that are a terrible issue. I agree that in Western societies, males are treated slightly unfairly in some ways. I noticed this after watching your videos.
stephjuhler999 1 year ago
@stephjuhler999 However, when i created the channel I was living in a non-Western society where human rights was certainly an issue. That is, things affecting both men and women. But men were at a huge advantage socially, culturally, economically etc.
stephjuhler999 1 year ago
@stephjuhler999 "males are treated slightly unfairly in some ways"? lol
Whilst I'm glad to have shown you another view of things with the films, you are clearly a typical female-centrist (and they come in male and female packages so your particular sex is not the issue. Excuse the error).
In this "misogynistic" country you lived in, let me guess; it was so terrible for women there that when wars were fought or workers died on the job, it was overwhelmingly women ending up in body-bags. Close?
manwomanmyth 1 year ago 2
@stephjuhler999 ...MEN never go around shirtless at work, and aftershave is for skin recover, not attraction or something else...
sotonindeda 1 year ago
@sotonindeda Men do go around shirtless in some kinds of work, like if they were gardeners or underwear models. Men also wear cologne, instead of perfume, which IS for for attraction.
stephjuhler999 1 year ago
@stephjuhler999 ...newer seen a gardener shirtless... underwear models? that's what you consider as some serious work? ...and, let me see, cologne you say? ...no, there is no one in my bathroom... you are LIAR....
sotonindeda 1 year ago
@sotonindeda I never said that's serious work, but it's work nonetheless. Of course not all men go to work shirtless, but not all women go to work in short skirts and perfume. In fact, where I work, all the women dress casually and most go round in very plain sweaters, jeans or t-shirts.
I am not a liar. I didn't say ALL men wear cologne to work, but some do, and it's NOT sexual harrassment. Just like when SOME women wear perfume it's NOT sexual harrassment.
stephjuhler999 1 year ago
@stephjuhler999 ...sorry... I thought you were one of those ''you are the nature's mistake, just because you are born with dick between your legs'', guess I was wrong about you... wrong person for arguing with... or am I wrong? ...because if you are one of those no matter what you say I would be against it... I use to be blind and support the feminism, but the problem was because I was born with dick between my legs and I didn't feel any guilt for that, and that was misogynist way of thinking...
sotonindeda 1 year ago
eye opening! wonderful!
marpoq 1 year ago
watch?v=xyQAggB_m50
I cried when this wasn't used in this vid.
Neofcon 1 year ago
I disagree with perfume and make-up as sexual harassment. As a man, I use good perfumes; I do not wear makeup, but I take good care for my grooming (hair, skin, beard, etc.) Plus, I go to gym and my clothing is the best quality/looks I can afford. Sure I can't show as much skin as her, but over the years I have realized that women are also vulnerable at this kind of attraction. But a man has to be very careful, since it is much more easier for a woman to claim harassment...
oliverguerrero1 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 No offense, but you would be the only man I have ever met to have used perfume, BUT the exception does not disprove the rule.
As manwomanmyth said, perfume is not the same as deodorant. Perfume is only for one reason alone, to attract men, and wearing that in the workplace should be considered sexual harassment, and keeping up with personal hygiene does not count with trying to look attractive. --->
and for the record I never heard of a male perfume
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut Wow...that you have never heard about male perfume makes me wonder what your background is. Call it cologne, eau de toilette, eau de perfume...something discrete, since is the workplace, with a pleasant fragrance like a ...deodorant! You may want to do a bit of research on that to learn about other societies and cultures because it has been used long before feminism started.
oliverguerrero1 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 Perfume is just for the purpose of making you smell good deodorant is for the purpose of masking your body odor so others cannot smell it, it also uses better smells to cover over it to increase its efficiency.
Perfume does not do that.
Deodorant goes on your arm pits for a reason, perfume does not.
Women spray perfume on their wrists and everywhere else except where the biggest source of where body odor comes from, which is why women wear both.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 No employer would hire someone with a big beard, smells bad, and in some work environments not hire someone out of shape.
Those are the standard requirements, but women do above that. They dress to allure and attract, and that should be considered sexual harassment. It should be obvious if you come across a female co-worker who is wearing perfume and her breasts are sticking out in her uniform, it should be obvious what her intentions are.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut Well, I've never said that the way of dressing is not sexual harassment. A woman should dress according to her work environment. A strong intense perfume can be disturbing to some and therefore treated that way: as a disturbing action that has to stop. Yet, I dont consider it sexual harassment. But, if you are not used dealing with people wearing perfume (in America people does it--all genders, all ages) then you are going to have some problems with its interpretation in your mind.
oliverguerrero1 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 If their intention was to not attract men, then they would only wear deodorant, but they don't. Thats the point I am trying to make. They try to increase their sex appeal by wearing perfume along with deodorant.
There is a difference.
The biggest point I am trying to make is that men and women do different things to attract the opposite sex, women do so by increasing their sex appeal to make men want to be chosen by them, and men do whatever they can to be chosen. --->
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
Ok, I understand your point about laws today in western society. But is just that the perfume thing seems to me exaggerated. Tomorrow, have a shower, groom yourself, wear normal clean clothing and spray yourself with some Tommy Hillfiger (for men) wherever you want. Get into the metro at peak hour and I guarantee you'll turn female heads toward you. Go to your office, approach to any female co-worker and see her reaction. Then write back how many complaints or sexual harassment charges you had.
oliverguerrero1 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 You just brought up another point.
Women have done that in the past, dress themselves up and go to work with the attention of attracting a man, and when one man does make a move, accuse him of sexual harassment, because he misunderstood how she was presenting herself.
Men cannot do that, cause sexual harassment women do to men is seen by western society as not bad and as non threatening and is overlooked. Anytime a man files sexual harassment, people are skeptical about it.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 Plus in most of western society men think its weak/gay to wear perfume since most define it as a female only item. Thats how my father and how all his friends were and my friends and their friends and so on. From what I known, men get picked on for wearing perfume and would rather slit their own throat then wear any.
Course I am not trying to insult you in any way, its just how things are right now.
I do not support shaming language.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 Its just simple fact, women attract through appearance and men attract through actions, but the law only arrests men that do actions and ignore women who try to attract with their appearance.
Just think for a moment, when a man looks at a woman for the first time what is going to spark his interest in that woman? Yep, her looks, women dress to attract, and smell is one of those tools.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut I find your "fact about gender attraction" very narrow minded. That's why I encourage you to research and to experiment; there is more in the western world than what you have heard about gays and perfumes. I was raised in a family where all my uncles and father groomed themselves and used cologne. It is a men's rite to shave, groom and made yourself as presentable as possible. I have found out it has positive effect in myself, my business and it attracts women as hell.
oliverguerrero1 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 All men do that, its part of personal hygiene, but looks are not enough. Men must go to the women to attract them, do stuff they find appealing etc etc.
Keeping your hair from looking dirty and messy, shaving is all personal hygiene and means little when attracting women.
and no I am not being narrow minded, when the bulk of the population is doing the things I have mentioned, it only proves my claim. There are exceptions to everything but exceptions do not disprove the rule.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut Looks are not enough -- I agree; a man has to act. But looks count too for men, maybe not in the same proportion as with women but this part should not be underestimated or discarded at all. Every interaction involves external perception (looks, sounds, odor). People start making decisions about you in less than a minute of interaction and this counts for women relating to men too. That is why I find narrow-minded the idea that women are attracted to 'actions' only...
oliverguerrero1 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 You are starting to get it.
Women do not need to act, they just need to have sex appeal.
Men don't need to look handsome to get women, it bases down to their goals and achievements in life is what baits women. How you approach them, how you talk, and what you do on a date is what attracts women.
Looks is a part of the equation but a small one at that.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 and for the record I never said actions only, I said the majority of attracting comes from the actions you take.
It sparks interest for women, but for them to remain interested, you must dance and not goof up much to keep their attention. You do too many things they do not like and they lose interest. Which is why I say men dance and women choose.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut Take a look back back at your comments, you wrote this: "Its just simple fact, women attract through appearance and men attract through actions", Im not misquoting you. It sparks interest in women; that's the effect of attraction which you have just acknowledged. Having purpose and achievements in life is reflected in your confidence level and if my life's direction is compatible with hers we may reach a long term arrangement. But that is another topic, we're on "attraction" here.
oliverguerrero1 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 You got your male turkey with his tail feathers stretched out and strutting around the females.
You got your male rams who buck horns with each other to show who deserves the females.
You see where I am going with this?
Its everywhere in the animal kingdom as well, men dance and women choose, and in the animal kingdom looks has nothing to do with it for the females.
Its power, strong will, and dominance is what attracts the females of the animal kingdom.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut Ok, this is my last comment on this. Attraction is triggered by a combination of factors like u mentioned but if you rule out appearance you're selling yourself short. Discipline, order and good taste in a man can be deducted from his appearance. Back up all of this with other qualities like self-confidence, humor, leadership, maturity and you have a killer combination. Power attracts; but it doesnt mean normal men cant get a good pretty loyal woman..nor is an excuse for not trying
oliverguerrero1 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut
Clown fish (male raises the young and change sex), bower bird (male builds the nest to attract the female)-- some species of fish females fight over males (rare but documented in nature shows), some species (whiptails) are hermaphroditic. "Everywhere" in the animal kingdom is a fallacious argument. Has female choice been the driving factor in human evolution? This seems undeniable from current research. (Except for prisoners of war and slaves who were given no choices.)
themondracon 4 months ago
@themondracon Its actually a species need to change to better adapt to its environment that drives evolution.
Pigs are a very good example of this.
If a domestic pig escapes into the wild and breeds with another domestic, a few generations down the road, the babies will start to take on the physical features of a wild pig/boar. Such as grow bigger tusks and so forth.
Pigs evolve quickly and their physical features change according to what environment they live in.
ManSpeakOut 4 months ago
@ManSpeakOut
I am quite aware of this. But sexual dimorphism is also a strong factor. The long tails of peacocks actually REDUCE their changes of survival. These tails ONLY increase their ability to produce offspring (females find it desirable and are more willing to mate). I did not say it was the ONLY factor, it most certainly is not. But you mentioned that females choose. I merely elaborated on that.
themondracon 4 months ago
@themondracon Sexual reproduction is one of the most important things in the survival of a species. Why do you think animals and even humans are wired to desire and crave sex? The only instinct that is stronger then that of sex is survival.
Some species focus more on reproduction then their ability to survive like the peacock, because the species survives through reproducing.
ManSpeakOut 4 months ago
@themondracon So its not female choice, but the instinct of survival that drives evolution.
Many species have evolved since the age of the dinosaurs.
Saying female choice had any influence in human evolution is unsupportable, its like saying female choice is what led sharks to evolve.
If the planet at some point drastically change in a few thousand years, evolution would take place and man would again evolve to increase chances of survival.
ManSpeakOut 4 months ago
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@ManSpeakOut I find your "fact about gender attraction" very narrow minded. That's why I encourage you to research and to experiment; there is more in the western world than what you have heard about gays and perfumes. I was raised in a family where all my uncles and father groomed themselves and used cologne. It is a men's rite to shave, groom and made yourself as presentable as possible. I have found out it has positive effect in myself, my business and it attracts women as hell.
oliverguerrero1 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 Now I think about it women also sometimes try to attract through actions, and even try so in the workplace, even though its considered sexual harassment, they let her go because she is female
If it had been a man that done it, he would be arrested without question or proof from the woman.
Which is why I am terrified to be alone with a woman anywhere, due to the fact I could end up behind bars on her accusal alone
Like rape, that is a biggy when talking about false accusations
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 but with laws of today, we only arrest men when they do their thing to attract women
but ignore women who do feminine things to attract men
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 and what I said earlier was a typo I meant to say "I never heard of a male WEARING perfume"
I know there is male perfume but I know no one or seen no one that wears it. All I see is men wearing deodorant.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@oliverguerrero1 and make-up is unnecessary, if it does not help you do your job its not necessary.
The only thing that should be worn at work is clothing that leaves a positive reflection on you and the company you work for, anything above it is unnecessary and unprofessional, and women dressing in this manner is unprofessional.
The company building should look like a company building, not a strip club.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
I've actually read up on it, and the definition of sexual harassment is pretty much what you showed in the "boston legal" clip. You're not guilty until proven innocent; you're just guilty
DanPhantom89 1 year ago
well i did have a video response for this but i dont see any way to do it
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
@TENNSUMITSUMA A response from you would be welcome, anytime.
manwomanmyth 1 year ago
@manwomanmyth
oh, found it.
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
As manwomanmyth also said.
Both men and women are sexual creatures but due to being different, react sexually in different ways. Men use words, women express it by how they dress.
Its part if the biological programming built deep into our minds. Men do the dancing and women do the choosing. Men do what they can to be chosen and women do whatever they can so men want to choose them.
Course women dress sexually so men want to choose them, and men use words and other tactics to be chosen.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
and sexual harassment suites can snuff out a career, trying to date women in the workplace is just not worth the risk, so we men just avoid you.
So really you can only blame yourselves why that man you like at work keeps pushing you away, its just a built-in adaption for his survival.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
Ok women, you ask why the man you like at work is ignoring you? This is it, cause who knows if you get into relationship, and it goes sour, you can falsely accuse him of sexual harassment in the workplace to get back at him, regardless if he done anything or not.
Even if you do not plan to, thousands of women have done it in the past, which has created the red flag in men's minds when you come onto them in the workplace, and try to limit contact with women to the necessities.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
If you are offended by the way someone interacts with you, the decent and sensible thing to do is to confront them and tell them it made you feel uncomfortable. It is cruel to disproportionately hurt them by stealing their money and ruining their reputation just for being overly friendly, or for unwanted flirting. You don't always need to hurt someone in order to correct their behaviour, and even if they do deserve to suffer consequences, it should be up to their employer not the police.
leecfb000 1 year ago
There are so many petty matters that are not worthy of court time, and where punishmnt is not necessary to correct misbehaviour, and yet the police want to get involved in all our personal problems. There was a time when the police were an emergency service, but now they are hyper-sensitive. They think all life's problems can ONLY be solved with the assitance of the government. I think they just make matters worse.
leecfb000 1 year ago 2
I was accused of sexual harassment for complimenting a waitress, in a jocular fashion, on her muscular calves. I was NOT trying to be sexual. BTW, I was cook, this was in the kitchen, and I thought that we were on friendly enough terms that she wouldn't be offended. I learned a lesson there...TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT!
As a cook in a bistro, one of the waiters maintained that women were better than men, to which I said ( jokingly)...that's because your half and half! I was reprimanded by management
Bongofury361 1 year ago
I would have never had any harassment on my own, it took the presence of a man who did not understand the concept of no or stop or I am not interested or please leave me alone. I understand that some men think I'm interested in having something sexual with them, but the wedding ring & copious gay symbols should make it clear that I am not a potential mate & I am not interested in having sex! Why still do they persist even when everything I do says "I am not interested!"
fireincarnation2 1 year ago
@fireincarnation2 Yes, and there are some who are that stupid. IDK; probably willful blindness. Unfortunately, we're judged based on those idiots. I've been on both sides; it's not a pleasant experience.
DanPhantom89 1 year ago
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HerrSpieldose 1 year ago
@fireincarnation2 ...you are a LIAR!...first you say ''a MAN who did not understand the concept of no or stop or I am not interested or please leave me alone.'' but then you say '' I understand that some MEN think I'm interested in having something sexual with them..'' and ''Why still do THEY persist even when everything I do says '''I'm not interesting'''.... you are LIAR... or you tried to say that MAN is THEY, because he have multy personality disorder...
sotonindeda 1 year ago
You can't blame my sexual harassment on the "inappropriate work atttire." Our uniform included unisex T-shirts and baggy black pants. I wore no makeup or perfume, and if I had, it wouldn't have improved my sexiness since I was soon covered in pizza grease. I wore chunky heels so I could better reach into the pizza oven, since I'm a short woman and bumping the bottom of the oven left nasty burns on my co-workers. I doubt anyone could tell under those baggy pants. Why was I sexually harassed?
fireincarnation2 1 year ago
you could use scenes from the movie "Disclosure", they are good examples.
DMHR100 1 year ago
@DMHR100 Cheers for this and did I consider that film at the time. However, there was no real reason to focus on that kind of unusual sexual harassment from a woman, when it occurs in numerous other ways in most places of work every day.
manwomanmyth 1 year ago
@DMHR100 not to mention the book. I've read it, and the scary thing is that it can happen to anyone.
DanPhantom89 1 year ago
There's more protection for women against offensive comments in the workplace than is for men against injury and death in the workplace.
theignoredgender 1 year ago 3
If you replaced the word "men" with black and the word "women" with whites, you would have 1000 responses calling you an idiot, so why do you think it is acceptable to generalize about men?
ValiantVendetta 1 year ago
@ValiantVendetta because it's acceptable to talk about men that way. Discrimination never seems to disappear. It just takes different forms and different targets.
DanPhantom89 1 year ago
@ValiantVendetta I don't get the relevance of your comment, perhaps you could give an example from the film?
However, as a general answer, perhaps the fact that there are not "1000 responses" along those lines suggests that your description is not accurate.
manwomanmyth 1 year ago
I never touched them inappropriately, never pressured them into doing anything. I just... well, I complained about my lack of luck finding a girl. It was an unpleasant experience, but I have learned something. Do not say she looks attractive, do not mention any kind of relationship, do not try flirting with a woman and if you are accused of something, you are considered guilty until proven innocent. If I don't remember this, I've got a good chance of this happening again.
DanPhantom89 1 year ago
I've been accused of sexual harassment when I went to school. There was someone I knew who was complaining about relationship difficulties. I sympathized, told her she was attractive, and gave a couple of similar problems I had. A couple days later, i was confronted by the counselor who told me a couple women were complaining I was "coming on to them". They didn't even bother to ask for my side of the story; they had already made up their minds.
DanPhantom89 1 year ago
sadly, what many do not understand is that sexual harassment is about power, not gender. Either gender will do it if they think they can get away with it. It can take many different forms and each person reacts to it differently.
DanPhantom89 1 year ago
This is why I would hire as few women as possible if I owned a business. Sometimes laws have "unintended consequences".
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago 5
There was a case of a man being sexually harrased by a woman in california. She literally told him he had to fuck her or lose his job. When he filed a case against her, they laughed him out of court even in the face of evidence. That's the problem with these laws, they are only for women. It is contrary equal protection under the law.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago 4
06:58 there is a dialog about and ID and a name, I dont understand that. It is too fast. Thank you for your help in advance sir.
Hulkmania316 1 year ago
@Hulkmania316 "So you're open?" "Yeah, what do you need?" "Adam's going to beak off part of an id. We need a name".
manwomanmyth 1 year ago
And yes. I have been in london a lot the past 2 years and I NEVER EVER allow myself to be alone with a woman. Not even an indian woman. All they need to do is 'cry rape' and your scumbag criminal cops are going to kidnap me.
globalman100 1 year ago
And these 'cougars'. Ugh. This woman came into the office the other day. Shes 50+ but she dressed like a 16 year old slut. Caked on makeup, tits hanging out, fishnet stockings and high heels. THAT should DEFINITELY be illegal!! Scared my retinas. Women have always dressed like sluts in the workplace to attract men. And one of the most dangerous things you can do is to tell they they are unattractive and you don't want to talk to them.
globalman100 1 year ago
Since I have travelled all over the world for work, especially Asia, I've had women throw themselves at me all over the place. If I did the same I would have had a hundred sexual harassment cases against me. Hell, 25 years ago I stopped going to pubs in the city in sydney because when you came back with your hands full of beers for your mates women would grab your crotch to 'get a feel'. What would they do if you grabbed their breats? Scream assault. Women are a disgrace now.
globalman100 1 year ago
A work collegues 16 yeaer old son started work at a factory & on his first day he was stripped naked & coated head to toe in grease by all the women on the production line. He then had to endure comments about his penis size for weeks afterwards. He stuck at it because he was expected to & it was "only a bit of fun". Wonder what would have happened if he just walked up to one of these women & felt her breasts. I wonder.
taffwob 1 year ago
I know at least 2 women who have faked sexual harassment lawsuits... as a woman it makes me disgusted. Unfortunately I wear make up at my job, but i try not to wear promiscuous clothing. It makes me sad, though, that men are now afraid of calling women attractive because of these stupid lawsuits. I like feeling attractive, and it is possible to be that way without leading anyone on. Thank you for this...
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csscadestompp 1 year ago
@csscadestompp You like feeling attractive to whom? Consider that the only reason you feel good is that you are inducing a libidinous response in men and that women realize that you are leveraging your sexuality.
What is the worst thing that would happen to you if you wore the same amount of make-up as the average man?
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt Sorry perhaps I was unclear.I like feeling attractive to men in general, not in the workplace. ur right though if I wore no makeup nothing would change except that Id look sleepy. I think its appropriate to be flirtatious in a random social situation though eg an interaction at a store or smthg. If 2people xchange a flirty glance/smile even if they never see each other again that moment brightens their day. My point was that even that is almost gone now cuz of lawsuits.
csscadestompp 1 year ago
Another recurrung theme on American tv is making jokes out of men who have infertility problems but it's serious business if a woman has problems getting pregnant. I saw a show where they continued to belittle the man for having low sperm count but on another show both the men and women were sensitive to the woman's needs. Anyone else tired of this nonsense?
Njderig 1 year ago 12
@Njderig American TV is about selling product to women because women control the bulk of the money. Most American women enjoy being entertained by shows that demonstrate how smart women are and just how dumb men are.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
Women have no problem being overtly sexual towards male co-workers, as long as these co-workers are bosses or other such higher-positioned men, then they can use the sex for advancement.
This is another reason why women don't belong at work.
Vebinz 1 year ago 7
@Vebinz ...and men don't prey on women who are their suborndinate?
perogie34 1 year ago
@perogie34 Your use of the term "prey on women" is offensive and misandric and misandry is not tolerated on this channel. Don't use phraseology like that regarding men if you wish to continue commenting here. No further warnings will follow.
manwomanmyth 1 year ago 6
@Vebinz
"Anti-male" is one thing and anti-woman is another. Both are bad. Please replace the gender pronoun in "This is another reason why women don't belong at work" with its opposite to see your bias.
themondracon 4 months ago
@themondracon
"'Anti-male' is one thing and anti-woman is another. Both are bad."
That's a contradictory statement. In the first part, you claim they are different, then in the second you claim they are the same.
Also, saying men don't belong at work doesn't make sense since men working is natural.
For most women work is a leisure not a necessity.
Vebinz 4 months ago
@Vebinz
The sky is one thing and the ocean is another. Both are blue. Obviously this doesn't mean they are the same thing, that was how you chose to spin it so that you can quibble instead of giving a legitimate answer. Both anti-male sentiments and anti-female sentiments are "bad" because both are biases destructive to society and people. However, they are not the same bias, Sir Quibbler.
Continues Below Pt 2.
themondracon 4 months ago
Pt.2
What do you mean by "natural?" Natural as in the luxury model of successful western society since 1900s? Or during the Industrial Revolution when children & women also 'manned' factories? Or primitive agriculture where man plowed, woman sowed carried water & everyone worked harvest? Or back to tribes where every member had to work to survive-- leisure was a luxury not afforded. Saying women do not work because it is their nature not to is laughable. Humans work, that is survival. Pt. 3
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@Vebinz
Pt.3
Do you mean it is natural for men to be breadwinners? In tribes everyone had to collect food and process it. The hunters (men) risked their lives to hunt dangerous, high protein meat sources and skin the beasts for hides. Women gathered, fished, collected small game-- they made leather, tents, bindings, etc. Every bone and fur had to be utilized for tools and textiles. In impoverished nations the whole family MUST work or starve. Why do you imagine women "naturally" do not work?
themondracon 4 months ago
@Vebinz
"The Sioux are patriarchal and have historically had highly defined gender roles. In the 19th century...ritualized customs pertaining to gender were recorded among the Sioux, e.g. that the women were to walk five feet behind the men in processions (among the Lakota), and that men customarily harvested wild rice whereas women harvested all other grain (among the Dakota or Santee)"
Women working: been happening since humans existed. Going to make it illegal like child labor?
themondracon 4 months ago
@themondracon Take the mouse for example, it literally has no abilities dedicated for survival, all it can do is run when faced with danger and has no means of defense.
The mouse though does have one ability, the ability to reproduce incredibly fast.
ManSpeakOut 4 months ago
@themondracon
The way you phrased it was contradictory. Unless you explain, writing "A and B are different. Both are the same" is contradictory. Oh and the ocean isn't blue, Lady Clueless.
Further, in cases where the husband is able to bring abundance, women need not work outside the home. You tie modern wage-earning work with home-making which isn't the same thing. Next you;ll claim women have always changed diapers, therefore women should be in government.
Vebinz 4 months ago
@themondracon
That work is natural for men is shown by the fact that no woman would happily marry an unemployed man while she works.
Men on the other hand will gladly marry a poor, uneducated unemployed woman since they're not looking for a wage-earner, rather a home-maker.
Vebinz 4 months ago 2
Man, did you get a treasure trove of materials. I'm always surprised and extremely pleased that they keep coming. Thanks.
pinegrove33 1 year ago
manwomanmyth how come you never challenge the views of that mangina fireman
lonewolf1369 1 year ago
@lonewolf1369 This is hardly accurate. I take "mangina" to mean a male Feminist or Feminist apologist and he is neither. His views are highly representative of most people in the UK and elsewhere: men, women, Feminists and non-Feminists alike. That's why I put the footage in.
In terms of tackling this general view, well that's what the whole video is about.
manwomanmyth 1 year ago
@manwomanmyth Dude, the morph into Bozo the clown was a masterpiece of cinematography!
pinegrove33 1 year ago
@manwomanmyth Notice how it is a joke when it comes to a woman harassing a man in any way. There was a time it was not a joke and these women would burn for behaving in such a manner. Just a fact. Think about it.
Andre2099 1 year ago
@manwomanmyth well I remember him in the "Men are disposable" video series, where he thinks a man has the 'duty' to protect a woman and put himself at risk. This struck me as him being a huge mangina.
lonewolf1369 1 year ago
If you're an attractive man it's compliment and/or flirting. If you're not it's sexual harassment.
Doxi99 1 year ago 22
@Doxi99 Bingo! Though I love women, I think they are all a little insane! Comedians joke about how women are crazy when they're PMS, or when they're just plain crazy...expecting men to read their minds, and, when we can't, we are insensitive, chauvinist pigs!
Bongofury361 1 year ago
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@Doxi99 not if you are a fag...
HerrSpieldose 1 year ago
Another awesome video!
anikinippon 1 year ago
Excellent piece on sexual harrassment in the workplace.
Women "feel good" when they attract male attention and then exercise their power to reject it, especially in the work place. We wonder how this new-found freedom to wear revealing blouses, short skirts and fashionable accessories with legal protection against unwanted attention will escalate with time. Want to fit in with the guys? Don't wear clothing that draws attention.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago