Very good explaination. But i think scienfitically and "mystically" don't necesarily have to be seperated. There are things about quantum physics that, if you didn't explain to someone it was quantum physics, they'd call it magic. Plus, if i'm correct, ki roughly translates to 'energy', right? Energy is literally everything, your body gives off bioelectrical energy in an invisible auora, that's scientifically proven. I dunno, any way, thanks for posting the video
Ahahahahhaha! I love your closing line! It's exactly the phrase I've been looking for when I tell people about Aikido. I enjoyed your thoughts on 'ki', you put it in a way that alot of people who don't train can understand. I look forward to seeing you on the mat one day, keep training!
@FletcherRoninoak in the past, i would've thought it was wishful thinking but i've actually met random ppl at seminars who recognise me from my videos, so we might very well indeed train with each on the mat someday... and i look forward to that time when it occurs. see you then. ;)
There is something you can talk about on another vlog: The aikido demonstrations called Ki-Aikido. My personal point of view about that is they are using a genuine Psychological fenomenum, and known for a long time. Just an Sensei using the tranference (see Freud) created over his image of "great Ki Master" to maximize a hipnotic sugestion (see Milton Erickson) and make his students (or even some one of the audience) respond as it is spected.
@DanielRBranco there was a point in time where i heavily suspected hypnosis as an explanation for some of the miraculous abilities of O-Sensei, but that suspicion has diminished over time, and I now suspect some other phenomenon/skills at play. at any rate, i have stopped vlogging about aikido for a while now and decided to focus on my training and perhaps recommence when i'm about sandan. so... you might have to wait a while - say 2-3 decades before my next vlog. ;)
@lordosaya LOL! I think you might achieve sandan before 2 decades.
I really don´t know about O-Sensei, maybe there was something diferent in that case, and I recognize that some one-in-a-million people have superior skills. But, I was talking about some "ki-masters" and what they call "Ky-aikido"; trying to stop the uke without a touch, finalizing a nikyo 2 ft away from the atacker.
O-Sensei did not use this kind of bizarre movements, he had a perfect sinergy. Those guys are using sugestion.
I like your point of view about Ki. For coincidence I´m an Aikidoca, someone that loves to play classic guitar and my profession is Psychologist.
The feeling or sensation you described matches exactly with how you feel during a good day of aikido training when you are "conected" mind, body, soul and enviroment, as you said, or when you play a music so nice that your body shows reactions similars to a meditating body. But, there is another name possible to it: Sinergy.
here's a modern analog of the chi: bioelectric field. science has proven that all living things, or rather ALL THINGS, have energy fields. ancient egyptians called the chi "ka" ...i love etymology
To be perfectly honest the other day I was sitting around and I had a similar revelation. Westerners are more hesitant to believe in magical forces so I think the way u explained it is perfect. People just have ifferent ways of looking at the same thing where westerners might say I flexed my biceps another open minded person might say I channelled my ki into my biceps. Same things or as u said different shit same smell
You should consider teaching for a profession if you haven't already. (seriously) I like the way you described Ki, almost as a combination of Seiryoku Zenyo and Mushin. I have never heard it described quite like that, but it sounds plausible. I have always heard it just translated as "energy", but that feeling you get somtimes when you a technique "just right" and you're in "the zone" might be what people said was "Ki".
@JustusScottJr thanks JSJ. at the end of the day, IMHO we're all just like blind men feeling different parts of an elephant. who is to say one is right and the other is wrong? the Truth is probably too large for a person to discover in one life time. all we can try to do is to discover as many truths as we can in this one. cheers mate.
all you are idiots. come out here to LA, i'll show you what an ass beating is. learn some boxing, learn some wrestling. a good left hook is far better than years of steeping yourself in this fantasy that you're going to disable someone with a tap of your finger
@fuzzierwuzzier Reason being is, this dude wouldn't feel compelled to beat up on little girls. It's better to let a child punch you in the face than to break their arm just because you're more powerful than them.
I am sure this guy never learn martial art & worst he didn't understand it.I didn't know the science behind the 'ki' thing but when u learn & spend years & years of training martial art, it built up the inner strength(IS). The 'IS' is built up with the combination of body movements(legs, hands, hips, shoulder etc.) & minds.U need to know how to combine all this together as one.Please! go & learn, practice, study, analyze & understand martial art before u comment!
@syimang thanks for the clarification. in regard to your comment about IS, could you please further elaborate on your understanding of Ki and IS? Are you suggesting that they are the same... or different things?
Wow, lordosaya, this video was a waste of time and a piece of shit. Your analogies were completely irrelevant; it's too bad you spent most of your video talking about these. Your subjective experiences and views about chi have nothing to do with its proof of existence whatsoever. Chi has always been purported to be a mystical energy flowing in all life forms. Since it's an energy, it's quantitative and measurable, which would mean physical, objective tests could prove its existence.
However, since none of these tests that prove chi is real have ever existed in the thousands of years since chi was conceived (conjured out of thin air by ignorant Asian laymen), the obvious conclusion is chi is a crock of shit, ESPECIALLY with respect to the fact that all you chi-believers have inconsistent definitions.
I recommend you think a little more critically and objectively for a moment and open your eyes to see chi is nothing more than an archaic and silly belief.
Kommisar swoops in for the PWNing and the win! You should learn from Kommisar osaya you deluded fuck; your pontifications are without basis, merit, or evidence.
@kommisar, apologies for the late reply. i didn't notice your comment until Blndrfist's latest comment (hi Blndrfist). if you were looking for documentary proof or a scientific thesis on chi/ki from my video, you would be disappointed i'm sure. this is after all, only my personal (not to mention old) view; aptly titled "perspectives". in my vlog, i suggested alternative ways of viewing the concept of chi/ki. clearly, you are insistent on finding empirical evidence to [dis]prove its existent...
... that's fair enough i would've thought. that's a very rational and scientific way to gauge any particular claim. and as my unsubstantiated ramblings have failed to satiate your thirst for knowledge, perhaps you could seek books from more acclaimed practitioners who discuss chi/ki or peer-reviewed journals. i am but a lowly pleb trying to share my learnings and ideas on youtube as i go.
after all, any adult would naturally be frustrated with a child's wondering about why the sky is blue.
The difference is there's a reason why the sky is blue and we can actually prove it is blue. Not so with chi. Why do you refer to it as a "concept"? It's not. It's a fucking mystical life energy, and it doesn't exist. It's not some "idea" that you roll around in your head. It's supposed to be an actual, concrete thing. I love the way the chi believers each have a different story on what chi is. It's pathetic.
I just wanna know if Aikido will work agenst a guy trying to kill me. When he try to punch me and stuf, will Aikido do shit agenst it? Ore will i die because i dident do Kung Fu insted?
That's a new way of looking at Qi for me, but it kinda makes sense. I heard that growing or building up your Qi needs a hell of a lot meditation, so for the musician part (and probably all the others) intense training, could be substituted for meditation.
Just look at the John Chang videos. I dont know if they are faked, but when he was setting a newspaper on fire just like that, with lets call it willpower or Qi. I was amazed!
And how can you be so sure that he's a fraud? I mean you didn't meet him personally, did you? If he was a fraud his goal would be to get rich out of it, but then again he refused to be shown on television. Which is, according to Donald Trump, the best way to make money.
If he refused to be on TV, then how was it that an idiot, creduloid Brit made a film documentary about him viewable on youtube? And how was it that the same documentary came to be aired on UK TV? Meanwhile, earning money by cheating as some sort of faith healer is much easier than actually having to go to school to learn how to heal with real medicine. His objective could very well have been to get rich; doesn't mean he had to be successful or that he is not rich by his culture's standards.
To be honest with you, I don't know enough about this individual to judge him. I don't know about his personal wealth so I can't tell you wether he is rich or not, by whatever cultural standard. And I'm certainly not here to defend someone I haven't even met. All I am saying is that this one scene, wether it's fake or not, really caught my interest in these matters. And as long as something wakes an interest in you so you can educate yourself about it, it can't be all bad, can it?
as Racefreak suggested, interest does not = strong belief. it may indeed spark an investigation which may prove the said incident as genuine or a hoax.
at any rate Blndrfist, since you're still stalking my video comments regularly, i'm surprised you have not replied to my response to your offer of finding me a training partner in my other video. no luck? if not, would you be able to attend instead by any chance? you are not trying to avoid me are you?
It caught your interest because that was what it was designed to do. It's a cheap carny trick that parlor magicians do all over the world. Frauds and cons use such tricks to feign superpowers and mystical abilities. Don't believe it; it's a trick. That is "education" for you.
Listen, I think your mind is too much stuck on empirical theories. There's more to life than just science. You should open your mind some more. I know you think you're of above average intelligence, but being an atheist alone doesn't make you intelligent or wise for that matter. Only those how are open to anything and educate themselves about it, in order to find out the truth are truly wise. I do not claim to be that , however. But at least I'm trying to. You are just stuck in your own world.
Science isn't a set of facts, it's a method that is used to learn about the universe around us. It also happens to be the *only* method that actually works. Being open-minded means being willing to evaluate any claim, but if a claim has been evaluated and proven false, it isn't open-minded to continue to believe it; it's stupid.
Likewise, if something has not been properly evaluated, it's also stupid to think it's true. You don't seem to understand how "logic" or being "open-minded" works.
i get what your tryying to say , and its good to know that people wonder about chi or ki
but personally i just think that when someone is is a proffessional at a sport its because they are just very used to it and practise so much it feels like the ball is part of them.
Shredder, even if you say Ki is fake (and in the spiritual = ki, I agree with you) you can't say it's genes. Taking a basic heredity class in college will tell you genes play almost no rule in determining if you can do well in sports. One person doing better than another is not due to "genes" -- its due to practice, finesse and mastery of basic and advanced techniques (in ANYTHING: sports, martial arts, etc). Saying anything other than skin color, eye color, etc, is due to "genes" is ignorant
Proof, my friend Lordsaya, that's all I ask for. It's much like religious faith in that the believer has the burden of proof.
If chi increases human strength or power then it should be simple matter to test this with some basic test equipment. For instance a man who masters "unbendable arm" should have no problem holding heavy weights with his unbendable arms.
But I find those who claim to have chi powers are never willing to be so tested. Why not?.
hi sweetsweatyfeet, your request for proof is not unfair. however, i think you are asking for it from the wrong person because as per this vlog, i have not proposed it as a separate entity/phenomenon, but merely that it is perhaps a matter of perception/conceptualisation.
to elaborate, i have attended an aikido seminar once where the participants were invited to perform "ki tests" and i know have an broader understanding of how it works/is conceptualised at least in that context. (cont.)
i was very impressed by the knowledge of the sensei (and/or the art) about human anatomy. for instance, a simple manipulation [e.g. extension] of a certain body part [e.g. triceps] can make a huge difference. whilst some call this "ki", to me it was a clear mastery of human anatomy, psychology, as well as physics.
long story short, IMO, "ki" is like "magic". some reckon it's bullshit, but in fact, tons of skill, knowledge, and practice is needed to pull it off.
If you think you can demonstrate real chi powers that are not parlor tricks? Then there is a wonderful opportunity to prove it and make big money too.
The James Randi foundation will pay one million $ US to anyone who can demonstrate chi (or any other special powers). But you will need to prove it under test conditions. Randi knows all the tricks. But prove you possess actual chi energy (unknown in the physical sciences) and you will earn a cool million.
ok- first off this wrong perception of qi. Qi when refer to it in martial term, is NOT same as dead static strength. Theres a key difference between life&death- thats qi. qi is in the innate force prior to, during & after whole-body mind & spirit movement. To understand it, 1 needs to understand the context of it & birth, creation & formation of Yin&Yang. if u dont understand these things which require years of intense study&practice, its quite silly & pointless to b talking about what exists
Its like difference between Breath & just air. Breath is not just dead static air. Its not the quantity of oxygen, CO2 & crap but inexplicable formation & transformation, growth, expansion, etc. If u can not understand this difference, forget trying to understand life
My real question (read skepticism) concerns itself with feats of ki strength or ki power claimed by some martial artists. When performed as demos they always always use their own students and not neutral observers. Even more unbelievable is ki projection claimed by many who don't practice martial arts. If ki (and ki demos) are real and genuine, why doesn't science recognize it as a measurable form of energy and won't it's practitioners allow themselves to be tested under scientific scrutiny?
Well said. Both imbrd (meaning "inbred") and lordosaya are creduloid blowhards. They spend their time pontificating about "ki", "chi", whatever the fuck and claiming over and over again that "it" exists. Meanwhile, neither can point to any evidence that, in fact, "it" (whatever "it" is) does exist. In lordosaya's case, he feels the need to lecture people on oriental mysticsm and apologize for the very massive shortcomings of gaykido as a martial art.
I have my own views of Ki which is not completely the same as this explanation, but I do very much agree and enjoy this perspective. Thank you for offering your ideas so willingly in such a respectful manner that is not simply to just criticize or cause conflict as so many people find so easy to do. When I finally make it from America to Japan to further my study of Aikido and other martial arts, I think I wouldn't mind traveling to Australia and meeting this man who seems to think much like me.
you are so cute Blndrfist. i can't help but laugh when you give such killer one-liners. i always look forward to what insults and criticisms you manage to spew out from your bag of terror. =) you are just so cute.
If u want to know more about Ki,i suggest u go to the Veritas Society.Alot of information there.I too am a practioner of metaphysical arts so i know Ki/Chi/Psi and etc does exist.Juz go the Vsociety(Dowt)net
U are using ur Ki all the time my friend.When ur typing and other stuff u do.If u want to know how to use ur Ki,try starting at letting your Ki flow.Ill give u an example.
A 10th Dan Aikido master is demonstrating Ki.But newbies and people who had seen it for the first time think he is making it happen.But actually,he is letting it happen.
Chi doesn't exist. Eastern people are so obsessed with that bs. lol If someone is better at sports than it's the GENES that make that person better. If they can really use the natural enegery why is that asians are not as strong as western or black people?
dont get mad because ur belieft of chi is thousands of years of bs. stupid fuk. U know that asians arent the only ones who can use chi..anyone can. Besides black and white ppl are bigger than u little asians with small dick and can own ur asses anytime.
this is awesome. you're absolutely right; ki's existence as physical/non-physical is what everyone gets so wrapped up in. regardless, it's just a very good way of explaining proper technique and fluid execution of principles. what part of Australia are you from? my father lives in Canberra
god!! 6:51 minutes to answer a yes or no question!!! ok il make the question simpler for you, when Morihi Usheba or someone else throuw his oponants even without touching them at all, IS THAT REAL!!!
Based on my experiences with it, and what I've learned from psychics about it, Ki is harnessed and used when a person concentrates on something.
The amount of Ki that a person can gather and project seems to be based on the person's mind state (alpha, omega, etc.) with deeper mind states allowing you to have access to more Ki.
that is true. I have been training for 15 years. I tarin with some aikidoka who are new to aikido but have trained in tae kwon do for years. They try to make their movements crisp and strong as doing tae kwon do. They have not yet learned to make their movements flow.The understanding of ki is important in aikido and yes it exists. We must unify center, movment, and breath. This creates our power. The rest is physics. I've said before that O'sensei may have been the Einstein of martial arts.
Oh! It's real. Have you ever barely made contact with someone's stomach with a punch only to then hear them complain about back pain immediately afterwards? I did this accidentally and it did scare me a bit. I was careful to never do that again. So how do you never do that again if it was an accident? I paid a great deal of attention to how I moved and felt while moving etc. So once it happened by accident I knew right away how to do it again. That scared me the most!
If someone performs worse than they usually do, we say they're off of their game. Being in the zone, I think, is being relaxed mentally, physically, and emotionally while also focusing competely on what you're trying to do. Put all of that together should considerably improve your performance in whatever it is you're doing. How does that sound? Might chi and "in the zone" be eastern and western equivalents?
There seem to be a few people saying your idea of chi=skill or talent. I disagree. It sounds to me more like "being in the zone." I would say skill is how well you know how to do the movements or techniques, or play your musical instrument. "Talent," I think is how easily or fast you gain your skill. "Being in the zone," though, refers to how well you perform whatever it is you do on one particular occasion. If someone does something especially well, we westerners say they're in the zone.
i think it is generally said that ki/chi is stored (?) or comes from the diaphragm, below your navel, near your center of gravity. Pretty sure, not totally, though.
Sure, aikido doesn't really use sparring, but there are several other MA that don't use that. But maybe that's not what you're talking about. What do other MA have that Aikido doesn't?
So I guess it would be hard to respect the art if you do not understand what "Ki" is... since most people who are looking to join a MA are looking to learn how to fight it's pretty easy to see why they bash Aikido. How can you fight if you arn't learning how to strike. I honestly think that to really know how to fight you have to experiance them for real... shit happens so fast! usually the person who throws the most punches the fastest wins.
Very nice perspective on "ki". You explained yourself very well indeed. I plan on trying Aikido despite the claims off it's ineffectiveness. I have seen no proof from both sides on this matter, so I will seek the truth for myself. I do believe that this art is more than what you Aiki bashers give it credit for. lordosaya, where do you practice? Is your school affiliated with the ASU?
hi there OnyxRose88, i think it's great that you keep an open mind, but more impressed that you are willing to take it up yourself to test the veracity of one's claims rather than blindly supporting a position. good on ya.
my dojo is affliated with a small-ish/independent federation based in Tasmania (Australia). we are not officially affliated with any of the bigger organisations, but we have senior members who used to train with aikikai, ASU and so forth.
ki is the japanese equavilant of chi which means breath or energy.
a lot of what you are describing is just brought about by learning to relax and that takes time and practise.
the difference being is that by practicing ki techinique you learn to practise relaxation within the technique from day one. rather than have to wait 10 years for that 'feeling' to come through just aikido alone.
He did a good job explaining? Are you a fucking dolt? All he says here is "chi"/"ki" means talent. If that's the case, why use the word; instead, just use the chinese/japanese word for talent? The reason is because, in the stupified world of chinese medicine/martial arts, it's intended to refer to a mystical, magical "energy" source. Same with aikido. It doesn't fucking exist; and this fucker's definition is not consistent with it's use in the martial arts. He's an apologist you fool.
Thanks for your eloquent insight, I feel better now. All those years in the army using Aikido techniques - if only I had known the truth. I won´t do that again.
Wow, such abusive comments by people who´ve prob. never trained in a MA! In Kung Fu training I saw some strange things involving Chi - not mysticism but hard work.I agree there´s too much mystic rubbish in MA, but a lot of good stuff too.I have attended Aikido class in London and Europe and was always told to resist the holds etc. Aikido does work.I hate the mystic BS some talk about Aikido and Tai Chi etc but they are effective martial arts. No mystery, just hard training like any other art.
Wrong loser; you've obviously never fought a day in your life. "Aikido" and "Tai Chi" have no realtion whatsoever to real world fighting. If you think they do, then prove it. Where are the fight records of "tai chi" and "aikido" masters? Where are all their fight videos? There are none, and there never will be any. It is fraud and you're a fucking gullable retard.
Are you angry with yourself because you cannot master those arts? If you haven't even tried them, there is no need to post such comments. I respect your opinion by being a total sceptic, but that does not change the fact that these arts are more useful to others than perhaps you. Aikido is more a lifestyle. If you are looking for records, do some research on Morihei Ueshiba.
Ueshiba? HAHAHAHAH!!!! I can't believe that any of your aikido fags would even have the nerve to continue to mention that fraud. If these "arts" are more useful to anyone, it is in that person's mind only. In reality, if that person tried to use this bullshit, he would be bitched stomped. Grow fucking up you fool.
Baka. You are just trying to piss people off. Come up with a more solid argument that actually proves anything but your own simpleminded opinion. If you are not interested, then bogger off this subject. I suspect you are only commenting for provoking means only. Seriously, i won't grow if that means being as simpleminded and stupid as you. Ciao ^^
You freak, pop your mommy's tit out of your mouth long enough to show some fucking adult thinking. All aikido is staged you idiot; all of it. There is no argument left to make; aikido does it all by itself. Anyone with even a quarter of a brain can look at any aikido "demonstration" and know it for the bullshit it is. You can't see this because you've been mystified and stupified by oriental con men and you lack the education to move yourself out of your mental lethargy.
Who cares? We are all gonna die anyway, so why not have anything enjoyable in life to believe in^^. But i guess you are not one to ever understand that. I will not firther discuss it.
The problem with "belief" is that it leads people to do destructive and fraudulent things at the expense of other gullable, simple fools. Nothing wrong with saying "trust but verify"; however, with respect to aikido and similar frauds, the blind believers are unwilling to ever verify. It's nonesense and instead of moving you forward, such belief only holds you back.
you think you know everything do you? Well good luck salvaging the world. Besides, me (and certain other belivers) don't mind having things verified, but we simply don't look for it because we don't care. You obviously do. it seems to me that you have gone into aikido and were disappointed by the results u obtained, if you have not, on the other hand, then it is no point in arguing as no view of one cause can't be proven nor verified at a state where it satisfies everyone.
blndrfist you are a dumb fuck. if you are so confident that aikido is fake go test it. of course some things in the demos are exagerated any martial art would do that. its common sense to make them look flashier. but it is real. so until you experience it for yourself i suggest you shut the fuck up.
Sorry fucktard; been there done that. Aikido "masters" do not fight and avoid all invitations to fight as a "test". Aikido frauds also, when giving "demonstrations", never, ever allow anyone from the audience to come up and be an attacker; they only use their play acting dipshit students. Why would it be common sense to make a style look "flashier"? It only makes common sense if it is a complete fraud and cannot stand on its own. Go back to your cartoons losers.
I'm not aware aware of the instance when I displayed any credulity...Your accusing me of not actively reflecting upon and experimenting with my own personal beliefs and developments while you have no idea of me or my experiences. I was simply thanking this man for kindly sharing his views in a respectful manner because I find so often, as demonstrated by your comment, that many people insist on oversimplifying, attacking, and criticizing others causing only conflict and solving nothing.
Also, going around calling people a "fucktard" demonstrates nothing but the possible lack of your own personal virtue so maybe this is an area where you yourself should reflect upon before accusing others as "creduloids" or as never doing so. . . If one doesn't like the topic of a video or disagrees with it's content, perhaps instead of cursing at people and doing nothing but spreading hate, it would be more beneficial to everyone if they simply did not watch those videos they despise so much.
"Aikido" is simple showmanship and fraud exploiting the superstitious stupidity of the credulous mind, nothing more. The only skill required is in acting and rehearsing in order to "attack" and fall down exactly as the "master" tells you to.
If anyone wants an exercise that can show you what Chi or Ki feels like. I have a great one from Tai Chi to do. Just email me and I will send it to you.
The word Ki should be thrown out, its just a word that was used back in the day to describe certain processes the people didnt understand just like god were said to be responsible for the weather, what your talking about has another name that is much more fitting but escapes me atm, its the way people learn skils, any skills, its starts off with no knowlege -> then the person gains motor skills, where he can di it but they still have to think about it -->
the the process becomes subconcious so you do it without thinking, this is not KI, this is the way the brain works, BRAIN say it with me, instead of giving all the credit to KI how about saying what it really is, like I said KI is something old chinese folks used to describe things back in the day, if you want to keep using this old model of thought that, fair enough works in some cases go for it, but if you give credit where credit is due, your BRAIN, and learn a little about how it works
Maybe you will change your MIND about KI, and if you think those no touch KO are impressive, believe me those guys have nothing on well trained hypnotists, I understand that if your only tool is a hammer... and in Aikido the hammer is KI, but this is the new century
its not just brain. qi is this sort of feeling flowing through you. well actually to experience it(deeper level) u must learn to relax. when u learn to relax, u can notice so many indescribable sensations inside & out. This is where western science start fail- eastern med+science very self observant. its not really possible to experience the sensations of like your breath flowing throughout entire body if u dont relax or listen
lol i love that last comment and i appreciate ur view.
do u think that in the case of Aikido, u can hav chi in some techniques and not others? i.e. the moves ur good at u have chi in, and the 1ns ur bad at u dont.
i loved the last comment too - don't know why but not as many ppl seemed to hv found it as endearing ;)
hmm, just off the top of my head, i guess in my mind the way i'd perceive whether a person had ki would be more of an overall sense rather than one that is tied to a specific techniques.
e.g. an aikido student with good ki can still struggle with a particular technique, but show a sense of grace in most parts of the movement. well, that's how i'd see it anyways. :)
i suspend my personal judgment until i get more proof. until then, i prefer to recall an interview when Koichi Tohei was asked if could move his teacup with ki. he said, "most certainly!" and proceeded to pick it up and have a sip of tea.
i'm happy with the definition of ki as 'unity between mind and body'... unless i learn/develop something significantly different in the future.
Ki, Chi is real...just take up abdominal breathing meditation and develop it...then you can really have a real conversation about what it is. There are many exercises to develop it. I have one that I show people who don't believe that develops ki chi the first ten minutes they do it.
IMHO Ki is a construct by which the various facets of being alive (e.g. emotion, energy, intent) are expressed as a "story" to the concious mind. It also provides a mechanism for the subconscious to express the same ideas back into the concious mind.
People who have strong ki are not mystics in any way. They merely have a deep understanding of their own body/mental state and other people's. This allows them to easily destabilise another or express their own power to maximum effect.
why does everyone try to almost kill this guy for something he believes in. It's not his fault that you don't agree with him and he certainly doesn't owe you an explanation for him to believe in anything. He tried to show you his point of view just try to give constructive criticism instead of giving him an ultimatum
What is constructive critiscm? Really, what you mean is, don't disagree with lordosaya. In any case, he responded to the strength v ki video and is known to defend aikido and it's "masters" in other videos. He should, therefore, provide us with his opinion on whether he believe Tohei can smash a person to the ground with the slightest of effort as represented in the strength v ki video.
i've never met Tohei, trained under him and/or had any direct relationship with him. i would be foolish and arrogant to think i am better able to defend Tohei and/or any other senior aikidoka than themselves.
as larsenhugo has indicated, i am merely an aikido student, sharing my views on the issue. everywhere on the vlog - from the title, to the "about" section, to my actual utterings - i've stated that these are my limited understanding/views of the topic.
Let's see, it's been awhile since I've commented on your video and you have yet to answer the simple question. Do you believe Tohei can smash a person to the ground as represented in the video you responded to with the slightest movement of his wrist? Watch the video again; Toehei explains this as mystical ki power. I see that you are comfortable quoting Tohei the fraud in other places, so you seem to know something about him. Why avoid answering? It's a simple yes or no.
what difference does it make if i answered your question with an affirmative or a negative? what is that going to achieve? is that going to change your mind either way?
It's an issue of basic credibility on several levels. Why are you so afraid to answer? You are quick to quote Tohei as if he's some fucking amazing wise man, but you're not willing to admit your belief in his ki demo?
the reasons i've not been forthcoming in my answers are multilateral. 1) u hv shown several times the inability to agree to disagree. 2) you do not appear to be interested in exchanging knowledge but to merely criticise. 3) it is not my place to judge what Tohei can or cannot do in the specific context as you've described. 4) moreover, i see no point in doing so because my answer would not placate you nor bring any productive conclusion to this discussion.
Complete bullshit response. It is objective no subjective; he either can do it as claimed using his mystical "ki" as presented in the video or he cannot, in which case he is engaged in fraud, a lie, flim-flam, bullshit, etc. with the help of play acting students. This is the largest and most prolific criticsm of aikido generally. If I showed you someone levitating in the air using his "ki", would you believe me? Ultimately, you either believe he can do it, or you don't. Which is it?
this shall be my last response to you. your recent comments have validated and reinforced the fact that you are here not to discuss or share, but to pontificate and criticise. i sincerely hope that you will one day seek what you are looking for, or at the very least achieve the capacity to agree to disagree. until then, i bid you all the best in your quest.
Typical aikido cultist; fail to respond meaningly and blame the person who dares question aikido fraud. So funny how you people never seem to have the courage to stick by your convictions when push comes to shove.
Also, do you believe that, in the Tohei video you responded to, Tohei can smash a person to the ground with a very minimal movement of his hand when both Tohei and the subject are stationary? And if it is merely skill, which is what you are arguing, then that skill should work on anyone. So why not try it out on a non-student? Skill at basketball is just as relevant regardless of the opponent, thus we have rankings. So is it the same of Tohei's alleged strength v ki demonstation?
during an interview, Tohei was once asked if he could the tea cup on the coffee table with his ki. he replied, "most certainly!" and proceeded to push the tea cup with his finger.
ki to most oriental people is nothing mystical. it is a simply part of everyday interaction. again, others' view of ki may be fair enough as well, i can't say. but my vlog is not validate everyone's understanding of ki, merely to share ideas of mine.
That's not the question. The question is can Tohei, with the very slightest of effort, slam a person to the ground as is represented in the video to which you commented. In the meantime, you definition of ki amounts to nothing more than skill. Tohei, without question, advocated that ki was a mystical power. You are the first and only oriental person to ever argue ki in the way you have. That probably means your views on ki are not consistent with the marjority of oriental people.
i submitted a point, yet you rejected it immediately without considering it.
then you assert your assumptions about others' and label them as absolute truth "without question".
am I the first and *only* oriental person to argue this point? i may the be the 1st that *you* hv seen, but i'm certain i am NOT the *only* one. Tohei, among others, have professed as much in some of his writings.
last but not least, you declared what i said as "skill"; to me, skill and ki are subtly different.
Still waiting to hear if you believe Tohei could smash a person to the ground with the slightest movement of his wrist as presented in the strength v ki video. Are you afraid to answer? You are the only oriental person I've ever heard argue that ki is simply skill obtained through mundane, ordinary practice. This is what you said in your video; ki is just another expression for skill. Instead of saying "he has good driving skills", you say "he has good driving ki".
i'm really curious about your obsession about smashing a person with a slight wrist movement. did he actually say that he could do so, or is this an assumption you've made from watching the video?
p.s. just to clarify, whilst i certainly see how the concept of 'skill' and 'ki' overlap, there are still subtle differences between the two. moreover, my description of 'ki' in this vlog probably covers a limited aspect of 'ki', but IMO suits the purpose of the vlog.
If the ball is "sticking" to your hand in basketball, then you are palming the ball in violation of the rules. I see that you posted this in response to the Tohei strength v ki video, yet you have not commented on the things presented in that video. Furthermore, the "ki" as you have explained it is NEVER how it is presented in any "demonstrations" regarding ki. Without resorting to physics, these ki demonstrations can be explained by the word gullability.
the analogies (basketball, soccer, dancing, singing) in the vlog were simply that - analogies of how *i* (and perhaps some others) saw ki. how others perceive or 'prove' ki is beyond my control.
How others perceive ki is exactly the point. You responded to a video in which an aikido "master" sold the notion to a gullable audience that, with the very slightest of effort, one can accomplish superhuman feats including smashing people to the ground. Tohei claimed that "ki" was responsible for this; that "ki" could over strength and that the body/mind needed to be "unified" (a statement with any real meaning at all). You are trying to rationalize Tohei's action by your video.
everything you paraphrased from Tohei, i would agree with. as far as i can see, my perception of ki - or at least the one i propose here on the vlog - is merely one of the many sides of 'ki'. IMO, Tohei's points are equally as valid. Please consider the context - Tohei has written numerous books to explain the concept of ki. You hv clearly indicated what he said didn't make sense to you. I doubt 3 mins of an old youtube vid would be sufficient to convey Tohei's ideas comprehensively.
I'm interested in what he displays; his actions. His actions demonstrate someone with incredible superhuman powers. His words are only relevant in so far as he attributes his amazing superpowers to something called "ki" rather than stupidity, superstition, and gullability. Do you believe he can smash a person to the ground with the slightest of ease as portrayed by him in his seminars?
This field or energy can be enhanced a number of ways: such as through yoga, meditation or massage, which produces a corresponding change in being and mind. Other ways to enhancement include swimming underneath a cold running waterfall and abstaining from orgasm or releasing semen, depending on excess or depletion of yin/yang energy.
Your definately onto something here brother, though I think some people are more sensitive to it than others. No two bodies or minds are alike. Intuitively I suspect there is an energy force field around the body, which becomes stronger when a person is being themselves and in flow.
Thanks for that Bruce, I had been in a haze but now I realize I had been focusing on my finger. When you're not quoting 'my first I Ching for dummies, i bet you enjoy seeing your male friends moon then the lord only knows what you do with your finger.
Thanks for enlightening us all leizaurus. Did you use the cosmic suction sticky ki force that this vlog freaknut speaks of. All the top sports academys are using it these days to make balls stick to there hands, to such balls into goals. Ki...its the new relpacment for skill dont you know.
You should make more of these vlogs
jayli008 3 weeks ago
Very good explaination. But i think scienfitically and "mystically" don't necesarily have to be seperated. There are things about quantum physics that, if you didn't explain to someone it was quantum physics, they'd call it magic. Plus, if i'm correct, ki roughly translates to 'energy', right? Energy is literally everything, your body gives off bioelectrical energy in an invisible auora, that's scientifically proven. I dunno, any way, thanks for posting the video
Zeneotchritrixstan 8 months ago
Ahahahahhaha! I love your closing line! It's exactly the phrase I've been looking for when I tell people about Aikido. I enjoyed your thoughts on 'ki', you put it in a way that alot of people who don't train can understand. I look forward to seeing you on the mat one day, keep training!
FletcherRoninoak 1 year ago
@FletcherRoninoak in the past, i would've thought it was wishful thinking but i've actually met random ppl at seminars who recognise me from my videos, so we might very well indeed train with each on the mat someday... and i look forward to that time when it occurs. see you then. ;)
lordosaya 1 year ago
There is something you can talk about on another vlog: The aikido demonstrations called Ki-Aikido. My personal point of view about that is they are using a genuine Psychological fenomenum, and known for a long time. Just an Sensei using the tranference (see Freud) created over his image of "great Ki Master" to maximize a hipnotic sugestion (see Milton Erickson) and make his students (or even some one of the audience) respond as it is spected.
DanielRBranco 1 year ago
@DanielRBranco there was a point in time where i heavily suspected hypnosis as an explanation for some of the miraculous abilities of O-Sensei, but that suspicion has diminished over time, and I now suspect some other phenomenon/skills at play. at any rate, i have stopped vlogging about aikido for a while now and decided to focus on my training and perhaps recommence when i'm about sandan. so... you might have to wait a while - say 2-3 decades before my next vlog. ;)
lordosaya 1 year ago 4
@lordosaya LOL! I think you might achieve sandan before 2 decades.
I really don´t know about O-Sensei, maybe there was something diferent in that case, and I recognize that some one-in-a-million people have superior skills. But, I was talking about some "ki-masters" and what they call "Ky-aikido"; trying to stop the uke without a touch, finalizing a nikyo 2 ft away from the atacker.
O-Sensei did not use this kind of bizarre movements, he had a perfect sinergy. Those guys are using sugestion.
DanielRBranco 1 year ago
I like your point of view about Ki. For coincidence I´m an Aikidoca, someone that loves to play classic guitar and my profession is Psychologist.
The feeling or sensation you described matches exactly with how you feel during a good day of aikido training when you are "conected" mind, body, soul and enviroment, as you said, or when you play a music so nice that your body shows reactions similars to a meditating body. But, there is another name possible to it: Sinergy.
DanielRBranco 1 year ago
You somehow talk like my doctor, great speaker
JKP0P 1 year ago
here's a modern analog of the chi: bioelectric field. science has proven that all living things, or rather ALL THINGS, have energy fields. ancient egyptians called the chi "ka" ...i love etymology
returnofbeaux 1 year ago
here's a modern analog of the chi: bioelectric field. science has proven that all living things, or rather ALL THINGS, have energy fields.
returnofbeaux 1 year ago
You were meant to be a teacher.
I like your closing line..."different shit, same smell". An arrogant person thinks his/her "shit" doesn't stink (in a figurative way!).
A good master, no matter what (his) ability, is always a beginner!
Thanks.
noclouds111 1 year ago
To be perfectly honest the other day I was sitting around and I had a similar revelation. Westerners are more hesitant to believe in magical forces so I think the way u explained it is perfect. People just have ifferent ways of looking at the same thing where westerners might say I flexed my biceps another open minded person might say I channelled my ki into my biceps. Same things or as u said different shit same smell
Lyunatis 1 year ago
You should consider teaching for a profession if you haven't already. (seriously) I like the way you described Ki, almost as a combination of Seiryoku Zenyo and Mushin. I have never heard it described quite like that, but it sounds plausible. I have always heard it just translated as "energy", but that feeling you get somtimes when you a technique "just right" and you're in "the zone" might be what people said was "Ki".
JustusScottJr 1 year ago
@JustusScottJr thanks JSJ. at the end of the day, IMHO we're all just like blind men feeling different parts of an elephant. who is to say one is right and the other is wrong? the Truth is probably too large for a person to discover in one life time. all we can try to do is to discover as many truths as we can in this one. cheers mate.
lordosaya 1 year ago
all you are idiots. come out here to LA, i'll show you what an ass beating is. learn some boxing, learn some wrestling. a good left hook is far better than years of steeping yourself in this fantasy that you're going to disable someone with a tap of your finger
fuzzierwuzzier 1 year ago
damn dude you explianing it perfect
EdwinjoseFeliz 1 year ago
this guy is a dork. i'm sure a girl scout could whoop this guys ass
fuzzierwuzzier 1 year ago
@fuzzierwuzzier Reason being is, this dude wouldn't feel compelled to beat up on little girls. It's better to let a child punch you in the face than to break their arm just because you're more powerful than them.
skrimpshidy 1 year ago
@fuzzierwuzzier im sure my dead grandmother could kick ur ass but u dont see me bitchin
chevygearhead454 1 year ago
@chevygearhead454 if you're not bitchin' then why'd you leave me a comment? dipshit
fuzzierwuzzier 1 year ago
@fuzzierwuzzier cuz i didnt randomly post a comment on here about how she could do that
chevygearhead454 1 year ago
I am sure this guy never learn martial art & worst he didn't understand it.I didn't know the science behind the 'ki' thing but when u learn & spend years & years of training martial art, it built up the inner strength(IS). The 'IS' is built up with the combination of body movements(legs, hands, hips, shoulder etc.) & minds.U need to know how to combine all this together as one.Please! go & learn, practice, study, analyze & understand martial art before u comment!
syimang 2 years ago
hi syimang, were you directing your comment at me? cheers.
lordosaya 2 years ago
@lordosaya Yes...I am.
syimang 1 year ago
@syimang thanks for the clarification. in regard to your comment about IS, could you please further elaborate on your understanding of Ki and IS? Are you suggesting that they are the same... or different things?
lordosaya 1 year ago
Wow, lordosaya, this video was a waste of time and a piece of shit. Your analogies were completely irrelevant; it's too bad you spent most of your video talking about these. Your subjective experiences and views about chi have nothing to do with its proof of existence whatsoever. Chi has always been purported to be a mystical energy flowing in all life forms. Since it's an energy, it's quantitative and measurable, which would mean physical, objective tests could prove its existence.
kommisar 2 years ago
However, since none of these tests that prove chi is real have ever existed in the thousands of years since chi was conceived (conjured out of thin air by ignorant Asian laymen), the obvious conclusion is chi is a crock of shit, ESPECIALLY with respect to the fact that all you chi-believers have inconsistent definitions.
I recommend you think a little more critically and objectively for a moment and open your eyes to see chi is nothing more than an archaic and silly belief.
kommisar 2 years ago
Kommisar swoops in for the PWNing and the win! You should learn from Kommisar osaya you deluded fuck; your pontifications are without basis, merit, or evidence.
Blndrfist 2 years ago
@kommisar, apologies for the late reply. i didn't notice your comment until Blndrfist's latest comment (hi Blndrfist). if you were looking for documentary proof or a scientific thesis on chi/ki from my video, you would be disappointed i'm sure. this is after all, only my personal (not to mention old) view; aptly titled "perspectives". in my vlog, i suggested alternative ways of viewing the concept of chi/ki. clearly, you are insistent on finding empirical evidence to [dis]prove its existent...
lordosaya 2 years ago
... that's fair enough i would've thought. that's a very rational and scientific way to gauge any particular claim. and as my unsubstantiated ramblings have failed to satiate your thirst for knowledge, perhaps you could seek books from more acclaimed practitioners who discuss chi/ki or peer-reviewed journals. i am but a lowly pleb trying to share my learnings and ideas on youtube as i go.
after all, any adult would naturally be frustrated with a child's wondering about why the sky is blue.
lordosaya 2 years ago
The difference is there's a reason why the sky is blue and we can actually prove it is blue. Not so with chi. Why do you refer to it as a "concept"? It's not. It's a fucking mystical life energy, and it doesn't exist. It's not some "idea" that you roll around in your head. It's supposed to be an actual, concrete thing. I love the way the chi believers each have a different story on what chi is. It's pathetic.
kommisar 2 years ago
I'm just curious, what style of Aikido are you practicing?
vegetaschef 2 years ago
I just wanna know if Aikido will work agenst a guy trying to kill me. When he try to punch me and stuf, will Aikido do shit agenst it? Ore will i die because i dident do Kung Fu insted?
chrstilen5 2 years ago
The best way to avoid being killed is:
1st Stay out of trouble
and if you can't
2nd Run as fast as you can!
Therefor a sport which involves running would be my recommendation for you. ;)
Racefreak1976 2 years ago
LOL =) hear hear. i second Racefreak1976's recommendation.
lordosaya 2 years ago
That's a new way of looking at Qi for me, but it kinda makes sense. I heard that growing or building up your Qi needs a hell of a lot meditation, so for the musician part (and probably all the others) intense training, could be substituted for meditation.
Just look at the John Chang videos. I dont know if they are faked, but when he was setting a newspaper on fire just like that, with lets call it willpower or Qi. I was amazed!
Racefreak1976 2 years ago
You were amazed because you are a creduloid moron, which is exactly what frauds like chang are hoping for.
Blndrfist 2 years ago
And how can you be so sure that he's a fraud? I mean you didn't meet him personally, did you? If he was a fraud his goal would be to get rich out of it, but then again he refused to be shown on television. Which is, according to Donald Trump, the best way to make money.
Racefreak1976 2 years ago
If he refused to be on TV, then how was it that an idiot, creduloid Brit made a film documentary about him viewable on youtube? And how was it that the same documentary came to be aired on UK TV? Meanwhile, earning money by cheating as some sort of faith healer is much easier than actually having to go to school to learn how to heal with real medicine. His objective could very well have been to get rich; doesn't mean he had to be successful or that he is not rich by his culture's standards.
Blndrfist 2 years ago
To be honest with you, I don't know enough about this individual to judge him. I don't know about his personal wealth so I can't tell you wether he is rich or not, by whatever cultural standard. And I'm certainly not here to defend someone I haven't even met. All I am saying is that this one scene, wether it's fake or not, really caught my interest in these matters. And as long as something wakes an interest in you so you can educate yourself about it, it can't be all bad, can it?
Racefreak1976 2 years ago
as Racefreak suggested, interest does not = strong belief. it may indeed spark an investigation which may prove the said incident as genuine or a hoax.
at any rate Blndrfist, since you're still stalking my video comments regularly, i'm surprised you have not replied to my response to your offer of finding me a training partner in my other video. no luck? if not, would you be able to attend instead by any chance? you are not trying to avoid me are you?
lordosaya 2 years ago
It caught your interest because that was what it was designed to do. It's a cheap carny trick that parlor magicians do all over the world. Frauds and cons use such tricks to feign superpowers and mystical abilities. Don't believe it; it's a trick. That is "education" for you.
Blndrfist 2 years ago
Listen, I think your mind is too much stuck on empirical theories. There's more to life than just science. You should open your mind some more. I know you think you're of above average intelligence, but being an atheist alone doesn't make you intelligent or wise for that matter. Only those how are open to anything and educate themselves about it, in order to find out the truth are truly wise. I do not claim to be that , however. But at least I'm trying to. You are just stuck in your own world.
Racefreak1976 2 years ago
Science isn't a set of facts, it's a method that is used to learn about the universe around us. It also happens to be the *only* method that actually works. Being open-minded means being willing to evaluate any claim, but if a claim has been evaluated and proven false, it isn't open-minded to continue to believe it; it's stupid.
Likewise, if something has not been properly evaluated, it's also stupid to think it's true. You don't seem to understand how "logic" or being "open-minded" works.
BenkaiDebussy 2 years ago
For life to exist there must be an energy to support it.
thor7600 2 years ago
i get what your tryying to say , and its good to know that people wonder about chi or ki
but personally i just think that when someone is is a proffessional at a sport its because they are just very used to it and practise so much it feels like the ball is part of them.
shockwave764 2 years ago
Dude, you got it.
thenoirkid 2 years ago
what the fu*k your talking about?
so KI is a mix of emotion, talent and inner harmony?
sorry when im not understanding it, aren´t that good in english.
TigerShen1312 2 years ago
for someone who is not good in english, you sure have a good command of its swear words. =)
lordosaya 2 years ago
Well said!
MrTristicles 2 years ago
Shredder, even if you say Ki is fake (and in the spiritual = ki, I agree with you) you can't say it's genes. Taking a basic heredity class in college will tell you genes play almost no rule in determining if you can do well in sports. One person doing better than another is not due to "genes" -- its due to practice, finesse and mastery of basic and advanced techniques (in ANYTHING: sports, martial arts, etc). Saying anything other than skin color, eye color, etc, is due to "genes" is ignorant
neverent 2 years ago
Proof, my friend Lordsaya, that's all I ask for. It's much like religious faith in that the believer has the burden of proof.
If chi increases human strength or power then it should be simple matter to test this with some basic test equipment. For instance a man who masters "unbendable arm" should have no problem holding heavy weights with his unbendable arms.
But I find those who claim to have chi powers are never willing to be so tested. Why not?.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 years ago
hi sweetsweatyfeet, your request for proof is not unfair. however, i think you are asking for it from the wrong person because as per this vlog, i have not proposed it as a separate entity/phenomenon, but merely that it is perhaps a matter of perception/conceptualisation.
to elaborate, i have attended an aikido seminar once where the participants were invited to perform "ki tests" and i know have an broader understanding of how it works/is conceptualised at least in that context. (cont.)
lordosaya 2 years ago
i was very impressed by the knowledge of the sensei (and/or the art) about human anatomy. for instance, a simple manipulation [e.g. extension] of a certain body part [e.g. triceps] can make a huge difference. whilst some call this "ki", to me it was a clear mastery of human anatomy, psychology, as well as physics.
long story short, IMO, "ki" is like "magic". some reckon it's bullshit, but in fact, tons of skill, knowledge, and practice is needed to pull it off.
lordosaya 2 years ago
because half the time you have no fucking clue what your actually asking for
go learn what chi really is first
shamaladingdong12 2 years ago
If you think you can demonstrate real chi powers that are not parlor tricks? Then there is a wonderful opportunity to prove it and make big money too.
The James Randi foundation will pay one million $ US to anyone who can demonstrate chi (or any other special powers). But you will need to prove it under test conditions. Randi knows all the tricks. But prove you possess actual chi energy (unknown in the physical sciences) and you will earn a cool million.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 years ago
ok- first off this wrong perception of qi. Qi when refer to it in martial term, is NOT same as dead static strength. Theres a key difference between life&death- thats qi. qi is in the innate force prior to, during & after whole-body mind & spirit movement. To understand it, 1 needs to understand the context of it & birth, creation & formation of Yin&Yang. if u dont understand these things which require years of intense study&practice, its quite silly & pointless to b talking about what exists
imbrd 2 years ago
Its like difference between Breath & just air. Breath is not just dead static air. Its not the quantity of oxygen, CO2 & crap but inexplicable formation & transformation, growth, expansion, etc. If u can not understand this difference, forget trying to understand life
imbrd 2 years ago
c the "My view of Internal Martial Arts" series
imbrd 2 years ago
My real question (read skepticism) concerns itself with feats of ki strength or ki power claimed by some martial artists. When performed as demos they always always use their own students and not neutral observers. Even more unbelievable is ki projection claimed by many who don't practice martial arts. If ki (and ki demos) are real and genuine, why doesn't science recognize it as a measurable form of energy and won't it's practitioners allow themselves to be tested under scientific scrutiny?
sweetsweatyfeet 2 years ago
Well said. Both imbrd (meaning "inbred") and lordosaya are creduloid blowhards. They spend their time pontificating about "ki", "chi", whatever the fuck and claiming over and over again that "it" exists. Meanwhile, neither can point to any evidence that, in fact, "it" (whatever "it" is) does exist. In lordosaya's case, he feels the need to lecture people on oriental mysticsm and apologize for the very massive shortcomings of gaykido as a martial art.
Blndrfist 2 years ago
I have my own views of Ki which is not completely the same as this explanation, but I do very much agree and enjoy this perspective. Thank you for offering your ideas so willingly in such a respectful manner that is not simply to just criticize or cause conflict as so many people find so easy to do. When I finally make it from America to Japan to further my study of Aikido and other martial arts, I think I wouldn't mind traveling to Australia and meeting this man who seems to think much like me.
Igotanewflashdrive 3 years ago
Then you're a fucking creduloid idiot.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
you are so cute Blndrfist. i can't help but laugh when you give such killer one-liners. i always look forward to what insults and criticisms you manage to spew out from your bag of terror. =) you are just so cute.
lordosaya 3 years ago
And you are clearly queer; the queen of the gaykido ball no doubt.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
aww c'mon Blndrfist, you've tried that one before. any better/new ones?
lordosaya 3 years ago
If u want to know more about Ki,i suggest u go to the Veritas Society.Alot of information there.I too am a practioner of metaphysical arts so i know Ki/Chi/Psi and etc does exist.Juz go the Vsociety(Dowt)net
sober2blur 2 years ago
Well if u wanna now more about Ki and what else u can do with it instead of Throwing people around go check vsociety(dot)net
dun worry,Radki is not there,on Traditional and Reiki is there.
sober2blur 2 years ago
Hey Lordosaya how can i use my ki? And are there any ki test to know that i am using ki? And can ki make your perform tasks better?
Younggunzjr 3 years ago
U are using ur Ki all the time my friend.When ur typing and other stuff u do.If u want to know how to use ur Ki,try starting at letting your Ki flow.Ill give u an example.
A 10th Dan Aikido master is demonstrating Ki.But newbies and people who had seen it for the first time think he is making it happen.But actually,he is letting it happen.
Do the same,let your Ki flow within you.
sober2blur 2 years ago
Chi doesn't exist. Eastern people are so obsessed with that bs. lol If someone is better at sports than it's the GENES that make that person better. If they can really use the natural enegery why is that asians are not as strong as western or black people?
TheShredderFromHell 3 years ago
lulz a chips-eating geek who knows shit is trying to prove something
H00ligan93 3 years ago
dont get mad because ur belieft of chi is thousands of years of bs. stupid fuk. U know that asians arent the only ones who can use chi..anyone can. Besides black and white ppl are bigger than u little asians with small dick and can own ur asses anytime.
TheShredderFromHell 3 years ago
BTW i aint an asian mwahahahhaha idiot
H00ligan93 3 years ago
no#.1
KWESSVIDEO 3 years ago
this is awesome. you're absolutely right; ki's existence as physical/non-physical is what everyone gets so wrapped up in. regardless, it's just a very good way of explaining proper technique and fluid execution of principles. what part of Australia are you from? my father lives in Canberra
KyleVass 3 years ago
ah really? so are Aussie? i just came back from a holiday there actually. i'm living in Tasmania atm.
lordosaya 3 years ago
i'm American but my dad moved to Canberra 16 years ago
KyleVass 3 years ago
god!! 6:51 minutes to answer a yes or no question!!! ok il make the question simpler for you, when Morihi Usheba or someone else throuw his oponants even without touching them at all, IS THAT REAL!!!
aikidosa 3 years ago
You're right about Ki.
Based on my experiences with it, and what I've learned from psychics about it, Ki is harnessed and used when a person concentrates on something.
The amount of Ki that a person can gather and project seems to be based on the person's mind state (alpha, omega, etc.) with deeper mind states allowing you to have access to more Ki.
Sighinide 3 years ago
Ki is used to drain ur opponents Ki.Make him more tired in an energy conseving way.Psi is used to destroy.
sober2blur 3 years ago
that is true. I have been training for 15 years. I tarin with some aikidoka who are new to aikido but have trained in tae kwon do for years. They try to make their movements crisp and strong as doing tae kwon do. They have not yet learned to make their movements flow.The understanding of ki is important in aikido and yes it exists. We must unify center, movment, and breath. This creates our power. The rest is physics. I've said before that O'sensei may have been the Einstein of martial arts.
yarddogpirate 3 years ago
Oh! It's real. Have you ever barely made contact with someone's stomach with a punch only to then hear them complain about back pain immediately afterwards? I did this accidentally and it did scare me a bit. I was careful to never do that again. So how do you never do that again if it was an accident? I paid a great deal of attention to how I moved and felt while moving etc. So once it happened by accident I knew right away how to do it again. That scared me the most!
olympicsnow 3 years ago
If someone performs worse than they usually do, we say they're off of their game. Being in the zone, I think, is being relaxed mentally, physically, and emotionally while also focusing competely on what you're trying to do. Put all of that together should considerably improve your performance in whatever it is you're doing. How does that sound? Might chi and "in the zone" be eastern and western equivalents?
TitoZ14 3 years ago
There seem to be a few people saying your idea of chi=skill or talent. I disagree. It sounds to me more like "being in the zone." I would say skill is how well you know how to do the movements or techniques, or play your musical instrument. "Talent," I think is how easily or fast you gain your skill. "Being in the zone," though, refers to how well you perform whatever it is you do on one particular occasion. If someone does something especially well, we westerners say they're in the zone.
TitoZ14 3 years ago
i think it is generally said that ki/chi is stored (?) or comes from the diaphragm, below your navel, near your center of gravity. Pretty sure, not totally, though.
TitoZ14 3 years ago
I'm not trying to hate here I just don't see Aikido as a martial art, it seems more like a set of techniquest and pholosophys to me.
qlcmusic 3 years ago
...are other martial art1 more than that?
Sure, aikido doesn't really use sparring, but there are several other MA that don't use that. But maybe that's not what you're talking about. What do other MA have that Aikido doesn't?
TitoZ14 3 years ago
I mean "martial arts," not "martial art1"
TitoZ14 3 years ago
thats why its an art. not a sport
greenlocomotive 3 years ago
So I guess it would be hard to respect the art if you do not understand what "Ki" is... since most people who are looking to join a MA are looking to learn how to fight it's pretty easy to see why they bash Aikido. How can you fight if you arn't learning how to strike. I honestly think that to really know how to fight you have to experiance them for real... shit happens so fast! usually the person who throws the most punches the fastest wins.
qlcmusic 3 years ago
like Bruce Lee said.
"FEEL"
MrPinoy91 3 years ago
Very nice perspective on "ki". You explained yourself very well indeed. I plan on trying Aikido despite the claims off it's ineffectiveness. I have seen no proof from both sides on this matter, so I will seek the truth for myself. I do believe that this art is more than what you Aiki bashers give it credit for. lordosaya, where do you practice? Is your school affiliated with the ASU?
OnyxRose88 3 years ago
hi there OnyxRose88, i think it's great that you keep an open mind, but more impressed that you are willing to take it up yourself to test the veracity of one's claims rather than blindly supporting a position. good on ya.
my dojo is affliated with a small-ish/independent federation based in Tasmania (Australia). we are not officially affliated with any of the bigger organisations, but we have senior members who used to train with aikikai, ASU and so forth.
i hope you discover much. :)
lordosaya 3 years ago
ki is the japanese equavilant of chi which means breath or energy.
a lot of what you are describing is just brought about by learning to relax and that takes time and practise.
the difference being is that by practicing ki techinique you learn to practise relaxation within the technique from day one. rather than have to wait 10 years for that 'feeling' to come through just aikido alone.
laptopshop 3 years ago
I enjoyed hearing your personal view of chi. You did a good job explaining yourself.
P.S. It's amazing how quickly a video's commentary can digress from its subject matter via the prompting of one hostile post.
XD.
Ericrsteele 3 years ago
He did a good job explaining? Are you a fucking dolt? All he says here is "chi"/"ki" means talent. If that's the case, why use the word; instead, just use the chinese/japanese word for talent? The reason is because, in the stupified world of chinese medicine/martial arts, it's intended to refer to a mystical, magical "energy" source. Same with aikido. It doesn't fucking exist; and this fucker's definition is not consistent with it's use in the martial arts. He's an apologist you fool.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Thanks for your eloquent insight, I feel better now. All those years in the army using Aikido techniques - if only I had known the truth. I won´t do that again.
Geetar2112 3 years ago
Wow, such abusive comments by people who´ve prob. never trained in a MA! In Kung Fu training I saw some strange things involving Chi - not mysticism but hard work.I agree there´s too much mystic rubbish in MA, but a lot of good stuff too.I have attended Aikido class in London and Europe and was always told to resist the holds etc. Aikido does work.I hate the mystic BS some talk about Aikido and Tai Chi etc but they are effective martial arts. No mystery, just hard training like any other art.
Geetar2112 3 years ago
Wrong loser; you've obviously never fought a day in your life. "Aikido" and "Tai Chi" have no realtion whatsoever to real world fighting. If you think they do, then prove it. Where are the fight records of "tai chi" and "aikido" masters? Where are all their fight videos? There are none, and there never will be any. It is fraud and you're a fucking gullable retard.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Are you angry with yourself because you cannot master those arts? If you haven't even tried them, there is no need to post such comments. I respect your opinion by being a total sceptic, but that does not change the fact that these arts are more useful to others than perhaps you. Aikido is more a lifestyle. If you are looking for records, do some research on Morihei Ueshiba.
mrgitarguru 3 years ago
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mrgitarguru 3 years ago
Ueshiba? HAHAHAHAH!!!! I can't believe that any of your aikido fags would even have the nerve to continue to mention that fraud. If these "arts" are more useful to anyone, it is in that person's mind only. In reality, if that person tried to use this bullshit, he would be bitched stomped. Grow fucking up you fool.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Baka. You are just trying to piss people off. Come up with a more solid argument that actually proves anything but your own simpleminded opinion. If you are not interested, then bogger off this subject. I suspect you are only commenting for provoking means only. Seriously, i won't grow if that means being as simpleminded and stupid as you. Ciao ^^
mrgitarguru 3 years ago
You freak, pop your mommy's tit out of your mouth long enough to show some fucking adult thinking. All aikido is staged you idiot; all of it. There is no argument left to make; aikido does it all by itself. Anyone with even a quarter of a brain can look at any aikido "demonstration" and know it for the bullshit it is. You can't see this because you've been mystified and stupified by oriental con men and you lack the education to move yourself out of your mental lethargy.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Who cares? We are all gonna die anyway, so why not have anything enjoyable in life to believe in^^. But i guess you are not one to ever understand that. I will not firther discuss it.
mrgitarguru 3 years ago
The problem with "belief" is that it leads people to do destructive and fraudulent things at the expense of other gullable, simple fools. Nothing wrong with saying "trust but verify"; however, with respect to aikido and similar frauds, the blind believers are unwilling to ever verify. It's nonesense and instead of moving you forward, such belief only holds you back.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
you think you know everything do you? Well good luck salvaging the world. Besides, me (and certain other belivers) don't mind having things verified, but we simply don't look for it because we don't care. You obviously do. it seems to me that you have gone into aikido and were disappointed by the results u obtained, if you have not, on the other hand, then it is no point in arguing as no view of one cause can't be proven nor verified at a state where it satisfies everyone.
mrgitarguru 3 years ago
btw give me your e-mail. i find it interresting talking to you :P
mrgitarguru 3 years ago
blndrfist you are a dumb fuck. if you are so confident that aikido is fake go test it. of course some things in the demos are exagerated any martial art would do that. its common sense to make them look flashier. but it is real. so until you experience it for yourself i suggest you shut the fuck up.
aikidoman18 3 years ago
Sorry fucktard; been there done that. Aikido "masters" do not fight and avoid all invitations to fight as a "test". Aikido frauds also, when giving "demonstrations", never, ever allow anyone from the audience to come up and be an attacker; they only use their play acting dipshit students. Why would it be common sense to make a style look "flashier"? It only makes common sense if it is a complete fraud and cannot stand on its own. Go back to your cartoons losers.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
I'm not aware aware of the instance when I displayed any credulity...Your accusing me of not actively reflecting upon and experimenting with my own personal beliefs and developments while you have no idea of me or my experiences. I was simply thanking this man for kindly sharing his views in a respectful manner because I find so often, as demonstrated by your comment, that many people insist on oversimplifying, attacking, and criticizing others causing only conflict and solving nothing.
Igotanewflashdrive 3 years ago
If you cannot discern your credulity, then you are nothing more than pure idiot.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Also, going around calling people a "fucktard" demonstrates nothing but the possible lack of your own personal virtue so maybe this is an area where you yourself should reflect upon before accusing others as "creduloids" or as never doing so. . . If one doesn't like the topic of a video or disagrees with it's content, perhaps instead of cursing at people and doing nothing but spreading hate, it would be more beneficial to everyone if they simply did not watch those videos they despise so much.
Igotanewflashdrive 3 years ago
Aikido is simple psysics exploiting the mechanics of the body by a skilled practitioner. Nothing more...nothing less.
moesephs 3 years ago
"Aikido" is simple showmanship and fraud exploiting the superstitious stupidity of the credulous mind, nothing more. The only skill required is in acting and rehearsing in order to "attack" and fall down exactly as the "master" tells you to.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Blndrfist, what do you practice?
riskjo 3 years ago
Very nice explaination, Martial arts are just another part of life and expression. Well done!
JoeKMProductions 3 years ago
If anyone wants an exercise that can show you what Chi or Ki feels like. I have a great one from Tai Chi to do. Just email me and I will send it to you.
Jofishy66 3 years ago
I am a Wing Chun pratitioner, I know for fact that chi does exist. I have felt it. I really respect what you have to say here my friend. :O
leedsninja 3 years ago
The word Ki should be thrown out, its just a word that was used back in the day to describe certain processes the people didnt understand just like god were said to be responsible for the weather, what your talking about has another name that is much more fitting but escapes me atm, its the way people learn skils, any skills, its starts off with no knowlege -> then the person gains motor skills, where he can di it but they still have to think about it -->
potz555 3 years ago
the the process becomes subconcious so you do it without thinking, this is not KI, this is the way the brain works, BRAIN say it with me, instead of giving all the credit to KI how about saying what it really is, like I said KI is something old chinese folks used to describe things back in the day, if you want to keep using this old model of thought that, fair enough works in some cases go for it, but if you give credit where credit is due, your BRAIN, and learn a little about how it works
potz555 3 years ago
Maybe you will change your MIND about KI, and if you think those no touch KO are impressive, believe me those guys have nothing on well trained hypnotists, I understand that if your only tool is a hammer... and in Aikido the hammer is KI, but this is the new century
potz555 3 years ago
its not just brain. qi is this sort of feeling flowing through you. well actually to experience it(deeper level) u must learn to relax. when u learn to relax, u can notice so many indescribable sensations inside & out. This is where western science start fail- eastern med+science very self observant. its not really possible to experience the sensations of like your breath flowing throughout entire body if u dont relax or listen
imbrd 3 years ago
lol i love that last comment and i appreciate ur view.
do u think that in the case of Aikido, u can hav chi in some techniques and not others? i.e. the moves ur good at u have chi in, and the 1ns ur bad at u dont.
hillrunner 3 years ago
i loved the last comment too - don't know why but not as many ppl seemed to hv found it as endearing ;)
hmm, just off the top of my head, i guess in my mind the way i'd perceive whether a person had ki would be more of an overall sense rather than one that is tied to a specific techniques.
e.g. an aikido student with good ki can still struggle with a particular technique, but show a sense of grace in most parts of the movement. well, that's how i'd see it anyways. :)
lordosaya 3 years ago
lol
yeh ok i c wht u mean, chi is like whn u get to that certain level of skill sumtimes obtained by mental training or iner peace.
i take it u dont believe in the power to move things with ur mind or some of the more unbelievable things like that?
hillrunner 3 years ago
i suspend my personal judgment until i get more proof. until then, i prefer to recall an interview when Koichi Tohei was asked if could move his teacup with ki. he said, "most certainly!" and proceeded to pick it up and have a sip of tea.
i'm happy with the definition of ki as 'unity between mind and body'... unless i learn/develop something significantly different in the future.
lordosaya 3 years ago
Ki, Chi is real...just take up abdominal breathing meditation and develop it...then you can really have a real conversation about what it is. There are many exercises to develop it. I have one that I show people who don't believe that develops ki chi the first ten minutes they do it.
Jofishy66 3 years ago
IMHO Ki is a construct by which the various facets of being alive (e.g. emotion, energy, intent) are expressed as a "story" to the concious mind. It also provides a mechanism for the subconscious to express the same ideas back into the concious mind.
People who have strong ki are not mystics in any way. They merely have a deep understanding of their own body/mental state and other people's. This allows them to easily destabilise another or express their own power to maximum effect.
hairyMuppet 3 years ago
i like ur way of expressing it man... i have never thought it that way...
fartboyjim 4 years ago
ki = mental energy.
In Aikido when you can sense their intent, that's when your really grasping the art.
wmpyr 4 years ago
why does everyone try to almost kill this guy for something he believes in. It's not his fault that you don't agree with him and he certainly doesn't owe you an explanation for him to believe in anything. He tried to show you his point of view just try to give constructive criticism instead of giving him an ultimatum
larsenhugo 4 years ago
What is constructive critiscm? Really, what you mean is, don't disagree with lordosaya. In any case, he responded to the strength v ki video and is known to defend aikido and it's "masters" in other videos. He should, therefore, provide us with his opinion on whether he believe Tohei can smash a person to the ground with the slightest of effort as represented in the strength v ki video.
Blndrfist 4 years ago
i've never met Tohei, trained under him and/or had any direct relationship with him. i would be foolish and arrogant to think i am better able to defend Tohei and/or any other senior aikidoka than themselves.
as larsenhugo has indicated, i am merely an aikido student, sharing my views on the issue. everywhere on the vlog - from the title, to the "about" section, to my actual utterings - i've stated that these are my limited understanding/views of the topic.
lordosaya 4 years ago
Let's see, it's been awhile since I've commented on your video and you have yet to answer the simple question. Do you believe Tohei can smash a person to the ground as represented in the video you responded to with the slightest movement of his wrist? Watch the video again; Toehei explains this as mystical ki power. I see that you are comfortable quoting Tohei the fraud in other places, so you seem to know something about him. Why avoid answering? It's a simple yes or no.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
what difference does it make if i answered your question with an affirmative or a negative? what is that going to achieve? is that going to change your mind either way?
lordosaya 3 years ago
It's an issue of basic credibility on several levels. Why are you so afraid to answer? You are quick to quote Tohei as if he's some fucking amazing wise man, but you're not willing to admit your belief in his ki demo?
Blndrfist 3 years ago
the reasons i've not been forthcoming in my answers are multilateral. 1) u hv shown several times the inability to agree to disagree. 2) you do not appear to be interested in exchanging knowledge but to merely criticise. 3) it is not my place to judge what Tohei can or cannot do in the specific context as you've described. 4) moreover, i see no point in doing so because my answer would not placate you nor bring any productive conclusion to this discussion.
lordosaya 3 years ago
Complete bullshit response. It is objective no subjective; he either can do it as claimed using his mystical "ki" as presented in the video or he cannot, in which case he is engaged in fraud, a lie, flim-flam, bullshit, etc. with the help of play acting students. This is the largest and most prolific criticsm of aikido generally. If I showed you someone levitating in the air using his "ki", would you believe me? Ultimately, you either believe he can do it, or you don't. Which is it?
Blndrfist 3 years ago
(same response to Blndrfist across my vlogs):-
this shall be my last response to you. your recent comments have validated and reinforced the fact that you are here not to discuss or share, but to pontificate and criticise. i sincerely hope that you will one day seek what you are looking for, or at the very least achieve the capacity to agree to disagree. until then, i bid you all the best in your quest.
lordosaya 3 years ago
Typical aikido cultist; fail to respond meaningly and blame the person who dares question aikido fraud. So funny how you people never seem to have the courage to stick by your convictions when push comes to shove.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Also, do you believe that, in the Tohei video you responded to, Tohei can smash a person to the ground with a very minimal movement of his hand when both Tohei and the subject are stationary? And if it is merely skill, which is what you are arguing, then that skill should work on anyone. So why not try it out on a non-student? Skill at basketball is just as relevant regardless of the opponent, thus we have rankings. So is it the same of Tohei's alleged strength v ki demonstation?
Blndrfist 4 years ago
during an interview, Tohei was once asked if he could the tea cup on the coffee table with his ki. he replied, "most certainly!" and proceeded to push the tea cup with his finger.
ki to most oriental people is nothing mystical. it is a simply part of everyday interaction. again, others' view of ki may be fair enough as well, i can't say. but my vlog is not validate everyone's understanding of ki, merely to share ideas of mine.
lordosaya 4 years ago
That's not the question. The question is can Tohei, with the very slightest of effort, slam a person to the ground as is represented in the video to which you commented. In the meantime, you definition of ki amounts to nothing more than skill. Tohei, without question, advocated that ki was a mystical power. You are the first and only oriental person to ever argue ki in the way you have. That probably means your views on ki are not consistent with the marjority of oriental people.
Blndrfist 4 years ago
i submitted a point, yet you rejected it immediately without considering it.
then you assert your assumptions about others' and label them as absolute truth "without question".
am I the first and *only* oriental person to argue this point? i may the be the 1st that *you* hv seen, but i'm certain i am NOT the *only* one. Tohei, among others, have professed as much in some of his writings.
last but not least, you declared what i said as "skill"; to me, skill and ki are subtly different.
lordosaya 4 years ago
Still waiting to hear if you believe Tohei could smash a person to the ground with the slightest movement of his wrist as presented in the strength v ki video. Are you afraid to answer? You are the only oriental person I've ever heard argue that ki is simply skill obtained through mundane, ordinary practice. This is what you said in your video; ki is just another expression for skill. Instead of saying "he has good driving skills", you say "he has good driving ki".
Blndrfist 4 years ago
i'm really curious about your obsession about smashing a person with a slight wrist movement. did he actually say that he could do so, or is this an assumption you've made from watching the video?
p.s. just to clarify, whilst i certainly see how the concept of 'skill' and 'ki' overlap, there are still subtle differences between the two. moreover, my description of 'ki' in this vlog probably covers a limited aspect of 'ki', but IMO suits the purpose of the vlog.
lordosaya 4 years ago
If the ball is "sticking" to your hand in basketball, then you are palming the ball in violation of the rules. I see that you posted this in response to the Tohei strength v ki video, yet you have not commented on the things presented in that video. Furthermore, the "ki" as you have explained it is NEVER how it is presented in any "demonstrations" regarding ki. Without resorting to physics, these ki demonstrations can be explained by the word gullability.
Blndrfist 4 years ago
the analogies (basketball, soccer, dancing, singing) in the vlog were simply that - analogies of how *i* (and perhaps some others) saw ki. how others perceive or 'prove' ki is beyond my control.
lordosaya 4 years ago
How others perceive ki is exactly the point. You responded to a video in which an aikido "master" sold the notion to a gullable audience that, with the very slightest of effort, one can accomplish superhuman feats including smashing people to the ground. Tohei claimed that "ki" was responsible for this; that "ki" could over strength and that the body/mind needed to be "unified" (a statement with any real meaning at all). You are trying to rationalize Tohei's action by your video.
Blndrfist 4 years ago
everything you paraphrased from Tohei, i would agree with. as far as i can see, my perception of ki - or at least the one i propose here on the vlog - is merely one of the many sides of 'ki'. IMO, Tohei's points are equally as valid. Please consider the context - Tohei has written numerous books to explain the concept of ki. You hv clearly indicated what he said didn't make sense to you. I doubt 3 mins of an old youtube vid would be sufficient to convey Tohei's ideas comprehensively.
lordosaya 4 years ago
I'm interested in what he displays; his actions. His actions demonstrate someone with incredible superhuman powers. His words are only relevant in so far as he attributes his amazing superpowers to something called "ki" rather than stupidity, superstition, and gullability. Do you believe he can smash a person to the ground with the slightest of ease as portrayed by him in his seminars?
Blndrfist 4 years ago
basicly
Ki = skill
TenkennoGunshin 4 years ago
This field or energy can be enhanced a number of ways: such as through yoga, meditation or massage, which produces a corresponding change in being and mind. Other ways to enhancement include swimming underneath a cold running waterfall and abstaining from orgasm or releasing semen, depending on excess or depletion of yin/yang energy.
NarMeOrMore 4 years ago
Your definately onto something here brother, though I think some people are more sensitive to it than others. No two bodies or minds are alike. Intuitively I suspect there is an energy force field around the body, which becomes stronger when a person is being themselves and in flow.
NarMeOrMore 4 years ago
i see you train aikido, do u meditate in aikido? im starting aikido next week ^^
plz send msg
UjioSatashi 4 years ago
deep man :P cool vid
UjioSatashi 4 years ago
thats the true!!!
bigflipo 4 years ago
Thanks for that Bruce, I had been in a haze but now I realize I had been focusing on my finger. When you're not quoting 'my first I Ching for dummies, i bet you enjoy seeing your male friends moon then the lord only knows what you do with your finger.
kutan121 4 years ago
When a finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger.
lordosaya 4 years ago
Thanks for enlightening us all leizaurus. Did you use the cosmic suction sticky ki force that this vlog freaknut speaks of. All the top sports academys are using it these days to make balls stick to there hands, to such balls into goals. Ki...its the new relpacment for skill dont you know.
kutan121 4 years ago
Watch my video to see what "Ki" is.
Leizarus 4 years ago
You are also pretty ugly and annoying-can you use your ki to help you on that?
kutan121 4 years ago