I'm not a native enlish speaker, but isn't this "tin man"-Fallacy already known as rabulistic? If not, can you please describe, what you mean with it?
Religion can always be disproven with the notion that nature recycles all energy such as ourselves. When you waste energy believing in God or what ever, that energy is pointless for you to use. This is so because the world is a mechanism not a construct.
I consider myself to be an atheist, and I absolutely think that the syllogism you asked us to comment on is rubbish.
"Failure of Arguments for god" ≠ [does not equal] "Proof that there is no god".
Anyone who thinks that [absence of proof = proof that something doesn't exist] is an idiot. Without actual proof that one doesn't exist, I can only say that I *believe* a god doesn't exist, not that I *know* he/she/it doesn't exist.
Let something that is "natural" be anything that changes the state of the universe.
What, then, is supernatural? If it affects the state of the universe, then it is natural. If it does not affect the state of the universe, then it does not exist.
*to sin* our god loves you so much, that's why he gave us a chance to go to heaven. My advice is to take that chance. I love you, I wouldn't post this if I didn't
@quicksilver3757 so believe that he was raised from the dead or not but still there is no body in his grave. Anyway, he died for our sins he was the greatest sacrifice. This is why we don't have to sacrifice animals anymore. So now you can still go to heaven even if you sinned. In which you probably have because you are human and it's in our nature in sin. a
@JohnThedragonslayer2 ..."he was raised from the dead".. HOLY CRAP!!!! Jesus was a zombie???? Run!!!!!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! Zombie Jesus wants you to eat his flesh and drink his blood or your "sins" will take you to eternal anti-utopia!!!! RUN I TELL YOU!!! RUN!!!!!!
@I am praying for you to get to know god. God is a hard thing to believe in. It's hard to think that a god exists when there is so much hurt in the world. We are humans and we sin. There is only one person in this world who has not sinned and that is Jesus. You cannot prove that Jesus did not exist. He did exist and he died but he was brought back to life three days later and you can see that there is no body in his grave.
@JohnThedragonslayer2 Coincidentally, you can't prove Jesus did exist, and since you claim he did, the burden of proof is on you. When you're done proving Jesus existed, work on proving he was in any way miraculous.
@FlipperundLopaka I will happily explain to you why whatever you think is evidence is not, but let's go over the common claims. Josephus was born after Jesus died and therefore is not an eyewitness. The gospels are all anonymous and therefore not reliable sources. So, what evidence is there other than these exceedingly suspect claims, which aren't evidence at all?
@FlipperundLopaka Tacitus, born 56 CE. Well, that's him done. Let's see about Plinius. Ah, 61 CE. So, before I dig further, can you explain to me why these two men, born more than twenty years after the supposed death of Jesus, should be authorities on the existence of Jesus?
@Antifides You do have a point there. I have to admit that I have never really questioned if Jesus really existed and took the arguments by others for granted. Looks like that was a mistake, I'm sorry for insulting you. You might be right.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18
@kareng5218 I'm sad that you refuse to address any of the points he makes and opt instead to make baseless assertions about what you think we should believe without giving one substantiated reason as to *why* we should believe it. And until you do that, all your assertions are completely meaningless
@quicksilver3757 Why you should believe it is that everyone will die and everyone will go to heaven or hell, it's our choice. Meaningless to me is not having faith in this life. God's word is full of proof, and if you look around our world today, ,you would see that. There is no proof that God does not exsist, and as for me, I know he does. I have seen it in my life. Prayer is an awesome thing, you should try it
I DO NOT understand how you have enough patience to deal with this guy who is unreasonable and talking in circles. Youre a better more patient human being than I TB. Kudos.
Let me just say this Scott, I have the utmost respect for you and the fact that I do believe in the Christian God does not chenge that fact. You are very well studied in both vocabulary and just all-in-all knowledge of your stand on your beliefs. The very sad fact is I respect you a little more than a majority of my so called "christian" friends. Therefore I must say with great pride that you are on the top of my People-I-Respect List (next to God of course, sorry). Anyway keep it up man.
stop thinking start believing. I'm sorry but its kinda obvious God exists, many signs to show that GOD does exist. I mean who created the world? Whatever made this world is our God, whatever God you believe in Allah or God that Christians believe, or Buddha...It just means there is a God. You can't make a world out of thin air. -__-
And if Religion is your problem then whatever, but that has nothing to do with God. You are not to hate Religion or not like it, its the people that make it dat way
@musli4brekkies lol oh crap, I feel dumb...By the first part. The rest is just full of science I just don't interfere with what I believe in. Just to be quite honest, if their is evil spirits (demons) then there is God. But anyway I'm just a teenager I guess I need more education on Religion and Science.
@MrSonicAdvance That's the goal of meditation, which I believe is just the natural induction of DMT. It sounds anti-intellectual, but to cease thought is the greatest psychological endeavor you'll ever partake in. Monks dedicate their lives to this. That's what's done in the temple. So, this person is right. If you stop thinking, you'd come into God-realization, and there's many doorways to it. Psychedelics as advocated in dose ranges alla Terence McKenna seem to be most reliable.
@MattAlexWatson I think you have it backwards, because what happens in this experience is ultimate insight. It's what Hindus call samadhi or Buddhists call nirvana. Today, it is more popularly known as cosmic consciousness. For you see, a person who thinks all the time has nothing to think about except thoughts, so this person is therefore detached from reality in a world of illusions. If you're unfamiliar with DMT or concepts such as "ego death," then maybe this is something worth Wiki-ing 4 u.
How suspicious it is that thinking brings us all knowledge except this. Not to mention that you have to already believe it can happen for it to even happen to you, so there's no way to distinguish between delusion and genuine experience. If this was a reality, then its practise would probably be spreading as opposed to dwindling.
I don't know what ego death is, but I would say that I regularly go through something I would describe as ego death when I ponder my insignificance in the universe.
@MattAlexWatson When you say insignificance, that's merely a disempowering perspective. If you get into Buddhistic thought, you won't have that. You'll see that the one wave is what the entire ocean is doing, and in that very same way, you, yes, little "insignificant" you is what the entire universe is doing. Maybe you should read some Alan Watts or Terence McKenna or something like that. There's tons of Watts and McKenna on YouTube, by the way.
I understand what you're syaing, but this doesn't inspire me to believe in a god. I guess some poeple might feel spiritually connected when they realise they are a part of the whole universe, and can considerthemselves to be one with the universe, but not me apparently.
Aside frmo that, feeling warm and fuzzy is not evidence of any sort of god, or any supernatural universal power, and I deal only in evidence. What can be verified by science, not what feels like it's true.
@MattAlexWatson Okay, only this is not a "warm and fuzzy" feeling of the sort that Matt Dillahunty is well-versed in denouncing. What I'm referring to is a phenomenon in consciousness, a colossal altered state of consciousness, an in fact, higher state of consciousness, and NOTa vague or subtle feeling. Alan Watts called it "cosmic consciousness." Wiki that. The evidence is the experience, you see, and there's many ways to induce it, but Terence McKenna's methods seem to be the most efficient.
Something which happens only within the mind, can only be fully understood once you experience it yourself, and something which you must already have faith in in order to experience, meaning there's no way to distinguish between delusion and genuine experience.
That's pretty cool, and I like the part where you don't address the issue of evidence.
@MattAlexWatson A buddhist would say that your experience now is the delusion of the ego, and the dissolution of the ego is genuine experience. I did point out that the experience of this colossal altered state of mind is the "evidence", and I don't think that could be fully understood. Neuroscience isn't "fully" understood, therefore the experience as of now is necessary to glimpse what I'm talking about. If you want more evidence, however, try searching DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Strassman.
Look, here's how it is for me. I'm basically running on the null hypothesis. If I get to choose between that some amazing spernatural occurence is happening fairly often, and this occurence magically enlighten people to some kind of amazing truth about the universe, or that some people have deluded themselves into believing that that's what's happening, I will go with the one that is more scientifically sound.
I wait eagerly for all of these amazing events to be discussed in peer-reviewed scientific journals, and then changing the face of science with all of it's amazing implications, but until then, I'm ready to let it go and not worry about it, because it looks like a load of shit right off the bat.
@MattAlexWatson Well, then that's the very thing that's keeping you from exactly what you said, that, "Some supernatural occurrence is happening fairly often, and this occurrence magically enlighten people to some kind of amazing truth about the universe." I think deep down you know it, now it's just a matter of dissolving boundaries. Have you taken a look at this?
/watch?v=9c8an2XZ3MU
Terence McKenna advocated what he called a "heroic dose of psilocybin mushrooms," and I ask y'ever had that?
So, now you're telling me that a good way to experience the ultimate truth is to actually destroy my mental faculties with illicit drugs? I'll admit that the video is quite interesting, but even with everything he says, there's still no way to tell the difference between delusion and genuine experience!
I've had my share of drugs, mostly alcohol and marajuana, but they just make me feel like a fool, make it easier for me to do things I regret.
@MattAlexWatson No, that's not what I'm saying. These "drugs" aren't like alcohol or marijuana, so you can't extrapolate your experience on marijuana to imagine what this is like. It's something utterly different. DMT (N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) is naturally produced in the brain. I think that's a major hint to the fact that these aren't as detrimental to your mental faculties that maybe propaganda or tv has led you to believe. In fact, during the experience, your cognitive capacity isn't affected.
@MattAlexWatson (Continued) That's it. You're holding yourself back from it. You're not going to find ultimate truth in peer-reviewed scientific journals, at least not currently in our society or culture. That's one of the points Terence McKenna tries to make in that video. Instead, it's rather that truth arrives counter-intuitively to what you originally believed, it's esoteric, paradoxical, and you find it always by shearing through a pathway of illusion, because that's where you started from.
@MattAlexWatson Well, would you consider this experience? I could attempt to answer your question, but it would be nonsensical to your ears or eyes if you haven't had the experience yourself. So, I'll leave you a suggestion instead:
@Hanahleia I have a deep-rooted affection for Alan Watts, because my parents used to have his books all over the house when I was a kid. I get where you're coming from. But I don't think you've made it clear to @MattAlexWatson that you aren't making claims about the nature of the cosmos, only subjective consciousness. It's a different state of cognition that our brains are capable of (with practice), and we have plenty of scientific data on it ( h t t p : / / b i t . l y / n W b A m t )
@TheoreticalBullshit Jung was always concerned with these people who'd say, "Well, it's only the mind, it's only your psyche." He'd reply, "Well, I've got news for you, the psyche is all there is." Hindus have said this as well, that "consciousness is all there is." Now, I've never understood thoroughly what is meant by this, but "enlightenment" is always concerned with removing the sense of "I am." What is energy/consciousness? Have you been to w w w egodeath com or listened to Terence McKenna?
@MasserZerg none. Does there need to be evidence that Bigfoot does not exist before you say he does not? no. Does there need to be evidence that Zeus does not exist before we can rule out his existence? no. So why should we have to prove that the Christian god does not exist? because the believers in that god say that there is a god? there are also people who would claim that Allah is god. Do you need to prove to them that Allah does not exist to claim he does not? think about it.
@MasserZerg You ask: "What proof or evidence says that athiesm is accurate and correct?"
Ah, a line you swallowed, and then regurgitated.
There is some evidence, but there is no proof. So, I guess you win. Yay for you!
Now that you've slaughtered all atheists with your regurgitative debating skills, you'll still notice that no former atheists are getting on their knees to beg forgiveness. That must be very confusing and frustrating for you.
There is no such thing as "supernatural". So, a believer in the supernatural definitely has no place in telling a metaphysical naturalist or materialist or whatever, that they are wrong.
I hold on to God with the reason that it is the most reasonable and rational thing to do. The world is full of evidence for God. Your dismissal of that evidence, or your arguments to support your views are not proof to anyone besides yourself.
@bloodgrace1 That's what every theist says about their particular god or gods, but they never offer any compelling evidence to support such an assertion. I assume you can, though?
I'm an atheist, and I realize that this was never your argument, but just for "fun", a standard christian rebuttal to the question of why a perfect designer would create a sub-optimal human, would be that each human was not the objective creation, but that the human race or the universe was the perfect creation, and that optimizing humans, would be like optimizing any other animal. Both a cat and a human would be identical, and so maybe what is optimal is not what is perfect.
the truth is we are all masters , and we chose to lower our selfs into the lowwest density state we can and chose to forget our true nature and became the masters of limitation..... So that is why athiests dont believe in god Because we all chose to forget our true nature thats why.
@akaei0 their is no way of proving this because we are in 3rd density , you cant prove something thats in a totaly new place that doesnt have to rely on our earthly rules and laws ... stop thinking 3rd D and start thinking bigger and outside of your 5 senses...
Oooor I could make up something completely new and outside of 3rd complexity (since we're making things up). Since it can't be disproved it must be a flaw in your thinking if you can't accept it without evidence. I can claim your just not thinking big enough.
So out of your 5 assumptions you can't ground even one in reality? But your assumptions should be taken seriously because... ?
If you want to be taken seriously, please give us a reason to do so.
@akaei0 nah i didnt say any one take me seriously did i, i couldnt care less if you dont believe me ,im not here for you people, im here for people who might resonate with my information.
Hello mr theory I believe some of the best evidence for Christ is people who claim Christ as their savior living in a way that contradicts the ways the world commonly practices. Such as forgiving those who harm us instead of seeking revenge. Praying for people who hate us. It all comes down to the evidence of Christ changing our hearts into something entirely different. From worldly and carnal to loving and kind. This is having a rebirth of our consciousness "Born Again"
@PitterPatty The bible's definition of true religion.
"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you." James 1:27
TB, sometimes you allmost make me wish I had a differing view than you just so I could argue with you, because your clarity is in argumentation is like poetry to listen to. Cudos and hurry up and make more videos allready! :)
if you are an atheist, then where do you think the universe came from? im just wondering because i dont see how atheists can explain how anything came to be.
@ColtyRamone Not Understanding How the Trick is done ; still dose not make it magic
so something what looks supernatural in nature still dose not make it real
& how do you know, the Atheist way is not the right way, to live your life without believing in superstitious Fear. Science & Idea's evolve into new ideas and new and better science, Beliefs stay and die in the past, they dont look to the future & make a better future, old ways have failed so look to the future, live life without Fear
@humansaretheworld i never said everything must have a beginning. but the only way for things to come into existence is by something that has no beginning, and if God has no beginning than he must have been the creator. however, i respect your beliefs and only want a civil conversation.
@DannyDzeko i think the same. thats why i belive in god, because if i die and there is no god i loose nothing, but if i dont believe in god and i find out after i die that he exists then im really fucked. you know what i mean? there really is NO way to know for sure but id rather take a chance than possibly suffer for eternity.
Do you really think a God that knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING wont figure out you're " believing " to hedge your bets ? ... you're kidding yourself.
Fortunately ... for us both God doesn't exist.
The thought of spending Eternity with God makes me sick. I would rather go to hell.
TheoreticalBullshit makes an excellent video about the topic of being wrong.
- watch?v=iClejS8vWjo
Its a shame you have to let fear and superstition rule your life.
@DannyDzeko but how do you know that god is anything like the god youve been told about? im curious, have you read the bible?or have you just been told "facts" about god?
@ColtyRamone this is called Pascals wager, look into it, its got many many flaws, and ultimately, becomes a very bad reason to believe in a single god. If you really want to cover your bases for heaven, become a jew, muslim, buddhist, hindu, jainist, taoist, every single sect of christianity, mormon, and every other religion out there.
@ColtyRamone So you're basically believing because it's based on fear. You're playing it safe by believing in something that most likely doesn't exist because you're afraid of being tortured for eternity. I think you need to start asking some questions, First one being that what lloving god would send you to hell for not believing or not being 100 % sure he exists
@ColtyRamone Alright let me put it this way. If you don't have kids , Lets say one day that you do. Is there anything they could to that would justify you locking them in the basement and torturing them? That's essentially what happens according to your beliefs. Your god is loving as long as you kiss his ass.
@spikeman23 what if they had done something so evil that it would be justified? ill use this as an example, if you had the power to eternally torture Hitler(extreme, but still)for what he had done, would you do it? this i think is how god sees people who either tell lies about him/dont believe in him. i dont know why, but i think thats just the way it works. but im still exploring atheism too, and i honestly dont know that much about christianity, so if i sound a little stupid then sorry.
@ColtyRamone Hitler would most definitely deserve that. But what i'm saying is being burned or tortured for eternity is pretty harsh for either not being 100 % certain that god/jesus exists. And no loving god in my opinion would do that. It's fine to ask questions , And i'm not trying to get you to change your belief system only asking you not to follow what people tell you blindly. Most christians , not all dont do that.
@ColtyRamone Even Hitler doesn't deserve eternal torture. His crimes were enormous, but still finite. His punishment should perhaps last longer than anyone else's, but not forever.
Also, I would be easier on him if he were my own child, and even more so if I loved him as God is said to.
@creepyoldman2 of course i don't believe in the garden of eden?! i'm stating that's what christians generally believe, sorry for giving you the wrong assumption..
There are truths and there are untruths. There are probably truths and probably not truths. There are educated, speculated, and bogus theories. There are laws. There are manipulations and lies. 1 Truth: The government has lied to us in the past. 2nd truth: the government controls the education system. Educated theory: the school system has taught lies. Speculated theory: some science is being taught incorrectly. Bogus theory: Science has disproved God. Lie: Science has all the answers
I'm an atheist. I believe that while most people who identify as metaphysical naturalists DON'T hold that it's impossible for gods to exist, the term "metaphysical naturalist" should reasonably imply that it's impossible for a god to exist.
Any god that is defined as an immaterial being is precluded from existence by a world view that demands physical evidence upon the determination of existence. Even if god could manifest as a physical entity, only the physical part could exist.
the whole perfect body i believe became 'un-perfect' after the first sin in the garden of eden .. i'm no christian so please don't attack me for getting it wrong
@itsjoebrown not here to attack, but if you aren't a christian, why are you talking about the garden of eden? thats a jewish/christian myth. either you believe in the garden of eden-making you jewish or christian- or you don't believe in the garden of eden. sorry, you can't have it both ways.
@AnotherMasterMind Essentially that belief in God is still "justified" or "warranted" even in the absence of any sufficient reason whatsoever, because theism is an inherently "properly basic" belief. Noah has a video on it, called "Belief without evidence is justified" or something like that.
This is entirely subjective and misleading. Testimony, be it lies or not/ is evidence in court. Lies and or incorrect assumptions/theories have spent many years as accepted truths in the scientific realm. Evidence for god exists, it just doesn't amount to anything. People, including many of us atheists, believe other things, with less evidence. Religious claiming 'truth' to prop X?, now thats different.
@ReligionInTheBin Nevermind religion. That's why you don't believe in a God, be eclectic, there is no book on this planet that explains God at his true persona. Religion only confuses you more, the search for God lies within.
You can replace the word `god´ , in your comment, with any nonsensical, contradictory and unfalsifiable being/belief.
So I applaud you for seeing the absurdness and hypocrisy of religion, but you too dont give any sound reason why a god would exist in the first place. The fact that, despite your knowledge about the everlasting debate on this topic, you dont even try to provide any reason, shows me that you´re no less irrational and unreasonable as the religious.
@ReligionInTheBin Honestly I'm just going to keep this simple and not going to go into any details unless if it is necessary, which it shouldn't be because I'm not trying to convince you that your belief system is screwed up. My number one reason why I believe in God is because of the prevalence of miracles. I've heard of many miracles that have happened to my friends, and I too have had a couple very significant miracles happen to me as well. I would have to be in denial to not believe in a god
"I too have had a couple very significant miracles happen to me as well"
-- What's a miracle to you?
IMHO: finding your lost cat IS NOT a miracle, surviving a nasty car accident IS NOT a miracle, having a baby IS NOT a miracle... now for something that I would consider a MIRACLE:
1. Re-growing amputated limbs.
2. Lifting a car with one's mental powers.
3. Predicting the Mega Million Lottery numbers 3 times in a row.
4. Instantaneous removal of cancer in a terminal stage.
@ozpowermo I agree I don't really call, finding your last cat a miracle, or at least not an obvious one if it were one. But no I'm definitely referring to more than that. The shit was hitting the fan and I decided to commit suicide, so i took a serrated edge knife and tried to put it through my chest, it didn't work, I tried a couple more times and it still didn't even puncture the first layer of skin, I definitely would've died that night, but God seriously saved my life that night.
If you're in a suicidal state of mind you're probably experiencing a very strong surge of emotions and in your mind you could have been pressing the knife REALLY hard, but subconsciously your body wasn't pressing at all... it doesn't make much sense to assume that there was divine intervention there, especially in place of more logical explanations.
Really, what's more likely to happen? Divine intervention or your body's instinct for self preservation?
@ozpowermo I was completely sober during the time and I was seriously trying to, i didn't imagine it, I don't have the ability to imagine something and get it confused with reality, it was no joke man. Stuff like that happens more than you think, a buddy of mine knows someone who shot themselves with a 38 in the temple of their head, it went straight through their head and he still lives today with almost complete function of his brain.
I didn't say you were drunk, but if you're attempting to kill yourself then at the given time you're certainly not operating with a healthy mental state... furthermore, I don't think you imagined that it happened, I'm just saying that in all likelihood your instinct of self-preservation won without you even realizing it.
Again, surviving a freak accident (friend shot through the temple) is no miracle... nothing supernatural needed to happen for your friend to survive.
@ozpowermo wow I gotta hand it to ya, you always make up some other proposition to deny things, how do you do it, i mean I'm super skeptical, but I know for certain that it was God who saved me that night, even when I am stressed out I know what I'm doing, i am very intact with reality and i have a lot of awareness unlike many many people.The dude who got shot with a gun through his head he shouldve died, do you know how bad you'd be bleeding, the bullet went in the temple and out the other side
I said the same thing twice: it's more likely that your instinct of self-preservation won out. If you're so intact with reality, then how can you claim that I made two different propositions when I CLEARLY made one?!?!
The temple is essentially the spheroid bone and the blood vessels outline it. A direct shot to the side of the temple will go through the back of the eyes and sever the nerves without touching the major blood vessels, with timely medical help the victim can survive.
@ozpowermo I was saying that no matter what I say your your going to always have some strange come back. The bullet definitely went through his brain, it shot through the temple and out through the top middle part of his head
Why is it strange to assume that all those things you call "miracles" actually have a reasonable explanation that doesn't involve a supernatural being? By your logic, if we see something "out of the ordinary" we should consider it a miracle. I've seen MANY cases of people surviving all kinds of crazy accidents... one kid even got 1/2 of his brain blown out and he's still alive: youtube.com/watch?v=z7TcugWqyaI
Divine intervention wouldn't have saved him 100 years ago!
@ozpowermo I've heard some things that would blow your mind, that are absolutely positively 100% miracles, and my experience was a spiritual intevervention, you did not experience it, so you would not understand. And an explanation as a miracle is not an irrational explanation, that stuff happens, i've heard some shit that would blow your mind but you have to expericence for yourself, because no matter what i say you are going to think otherwise, which is really quite baffling.
If you're 100% positive, then you should be able to give me an objective reason that leads you to conclude it was a miracle. All you've really shown so far is that rare events happen, but you've not show WHY we should consider them miracles.
The miracle explanation IS IRRATIONAL exactly because that stuff happens... and why is it baffling to want an objective reason? To me it's baffling that you think it's a miracle despite any objective reason for believing rare events are miracles!
@ozpowermo Don't get me wrong, I am a very objective and skeptical person too. My experience was obviously a miracle, i litterally tried and to put the knife through me with more than enough pressure, i was completely unharmed, if you saw it and experienced it, you would know, i'll leave you to figure everything out, which everyone will figure it out regardless.
-- I love how you just interject "obviously" in there, yet you STILL don't give me ANY objective reason why it should be "obvious". Like I said, if you're in a suicidal state of mind, then I have no reason to trust your recollection of the events. If you have a video of your suicide attempt with a pressure gauge measuring how much pressure you were putting on the knife and you could repeat it, then I would have a reason to believe you...
By definition a miracle is an unexpected event attributed to divine intervention... everybody can demonstrate an unexpected event, but so far nobody can demonstrate divine intervention.
If you had a video recording of a pressure gauge showing how much force you're exerting on the knife, then it would give me an OBJECTIVE reason to conclude it is in fact an unexpected event... but it STILL wouldn't give me any objective evidence to conclude there was DIVINE INTERVENTION! Get it?!
@ozpowermo It was definitely unexpected, I was expecting to have blood spilled on the floor and then have a very short interval of very intense pain and then meet God, it doesn't take much pressure to go through the skin with a serrated edge knife, and I know I used enough pressure, because I wasn't lowballing, I was getting serious.
Again... where is the proof of DIVINE INTERVENTION? Many unexpected things have happened to me too:
survived meningitis, collapsed lung, a car accident, two motorcycle accidents and not a scratch on me... none of those things lead me to believe that there is divine intervention. So what leads YOU to believe there was divine intervention?
@ozpowermo Because I plunged the knife into my chest and it didn't even go through, you had to've experienced it for yourself, and you would know automatically that it was a divine intervention. You can't see the proof, because you think everything has a logical explanation to it, but you will see one day that miracles are real and so is God, that I can promise you without a doubt in my mind, so nm this conversation, when you die you will see the truth.
Well, there is the problem... you can't show any proof that there was divine intervention aside from your experience and for all I know you could be making it up. The sad part about believing in God is that you offer the most impossible way to find out if he/she exists: when we die! Why do I have to wait till I die? LOL If God is real and in fact interacts with the real world, then we should be able to detect those interactions... why wait till we die?
whats the point of caring about all this crap? just live life and have fun being a human
lovesgibson 1 week ago
I'm not a native enlish speaker, but isn't this "tin man"-Fallacy already known as rabulistic? If not, can you please describe, what you mean with it?
guillatra 1 month ago
Religion can always be disproven with the notion that nature recycles all energy such as ourselves. When you waste energy believing in God or what ever, that energy is pointless for you to use. This is so because the world is a mechanism not a construct.
mattgresh1 5 months ago
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mattgresh1 5 months ago
I consider myself to be an atheist, and I absolutely think that the syllogism you asked us to comment on is rubbish.
"Failure of Arguments for god" ≠ [does not equal] "Proof that there is no god".
Anyone who thinks that [absence of proof = proof that something doesn't exist] is an idiot. Without actual proof that one doesn't exist, I can only say that I *believe* a god doesn't exist, not that I *know* he/she/it doesn't exist.
cogitated 6 months ago
God you're hot. You need to start doing these things with no shirt. kthbye.
Ryners 7 months ago
@Ryners just watch him on the bold and the beautiful lol
bevz2nikki 7 months ago
Proof that supernatural things don't exist:
Let something that is "natural" be anything that changes the state of the universe.
What, then, is supernatural? If it affects the state of the universe, then it is natural. If it does not affect the state of the universe, then it does not exist.
superjoe30 7 months ago
I don't think that syllogism is sound. It would need something like this to be valid:
1a) If arguments for something fail, none of that something of any kind can exist.
beriukay 9 months ago
@EmbraceDorkhood Ye, thought it was proven. Anyway, thanks for the update.
FlipperundLopaka 9 months ago
@EmbraceDorkhood Im an atheist. ^^
FlipperundLopaka 9 months ago
*to sin* our god loves you so much, that's why he gave us a chance to go to heaven. My advice is to take that chance. I love you, I wouldn't post this if I didn't
JohnThedragonslayer2 10 months ago
@quicksilver3757 so believe that he was raised from the dead or not but still there is no body in his grave. Anyway, he died for our sins he was the greatest sacrifice. This is why we don't have to sacrifice animals anymore. So now you can still go to heaven even if you sinned. In which you probably have because you are human and it's in our nature in sin. a
JohnThedragonslayer2 10 months ago
@JohnThedragonslayer2 ..."he was raised from the dead".. HOLY CRAP!!!! Jesus was a zombie???? Run!!!!!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! Zombie Jesus wants you to eat his flesh and drink his blood or your "sins" will take you to eternal anti-utopia!!!! RUN I TELL YOU!!! RUN!!!!!!
1NWOMD 9 months ago
@I am praying for you to get to know god. God is a hard thing to believe in. It's hard to think that a god exists when there is so much hurt in the world. We are humans and we sin. There is only one person in this world who has not sinned and that is Jesus. You cannot prove that Jesus did not exist. He did exist and he died but he was brought back to life three days later and you can see that there is no body in his grave.
JohnThedragonslayer2 10 months ago
@JohnThedragonslayer2 Coincidentally, you can't prove Jesus did exist, and since you claim he did, the burden of proof is on you. When you're done proving Jesus existed, work on proving he was in any way miraculous.
Antifides 9 months ago
@Antifides Theres proof Jesus existed, just not if he done the things christians claimed he have, but you should inform yourself
FlipperundLopaka 9 months ago
@FlipperundLopaka There is not evidence that Jesus existed. You should inform yourself.
Antifides 9 months ago
@FlipperundLopaka I will happily explain to you why whatever you think is evidence is not, but let's go over the common claims. Josephus was born after Jesus died and therefore is not an eyewitness. The gospels are all anonymous and therefore not reliable sources. So, what evidence is there other than these exceedingly suspect claims, which aren't evidence at all?
Antifides 9 months ago
@Antifides What about Tacitus?
FlipperundLopaka 9 months ago
@Antifides What about Tacitus? Or Plinius?
FlipperundLopaka 9 months ago
@FlipperundLopaka Tacitus, born 56 CE. Well, that's him done. Let's see about Plinius. Ah, 61 CE. So, before I dig further, can you explain to me why these two men, born more than twenty years after the supposed death of Jesus, should be authorities on the existence of Jesus?
Antifides 9 months ago
@Antifides You do have a point there. I have to admit that I have never really questioned if Jesus really existed and took the arguments by others for granted. Looks like that was a mistake, I'm sorry for insulting you. You might be right.
FlipperundLopaka 9 months ago
I believe in not in believing in a god.
beauxj82 11 months ago
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18
coolvideo28 11 months ago
you are so cute
eny1103 11 months ago 3
LOLOL
"does is ever bother you that your parents named you after the bible's most famous free-balling alchoholic?"
I just died laughing.
Holly1389 11 months ago 3
haha its kinda sad that u had to make a video because this guy doesn't know how to carry a philosophical conversation.
TiCkToCkMaRiO1473 1 year ago
I'm sad for you that you feel this way. There is eternal life and it is only possible through God's Son Jesus Christ
kareng5218 1 year ago
@kareng5218 I'm sad that you refuse to address any of the points he makes and opt instead to make baseless assertions about what you think we should believe without giving one substantiated reason as to *why* we should believe it. And until you do that, all your assertions are completely meaningless
quicksilver3757 11 months ago
@quicksilver3757 Why you should believe it is that everyone will die and everyone will go to heaven or hell, it's our choice. Meaningless to me is not having faith in this life. God's word is full of proof, and if you look around our world today, ,you would see that. There is no proof that God does not exsist, and as for me, I know he does. I have seen it in my life. Prayer is an awesome thing, you should try it
kareng5218 11 months ago
@kareng5218 "Why you should believe it is that everyone will die and everyone will go to heaven or hell, it's our choice."
Once again all you're doing is making baseless assertions. How do you know that there even is a heaven or hell?
"Meaningless to me is not having faith in this life. "
And why exactly is faith a good thing? Why should I believe when I have no evidence or reason to support the belief?
"God's word is full of proof"
Good then you should have no problem providing some.
quicksilver3757 11 months ago 6
@kareng5218 "and if you look around our world today, ,you would see that. "
I have looked. I have not found any. You're going to have to do more than just state that its there.
"There is no proof that God does not exsist"
If there is a contradiction within the god that is being proposed, then that god cannot exist. Just like there cannot be a square circle.
"I know he does. I have seen it in my life."
Seen him in what way? And how exactly do you know he exists?
quicksilver3757 11 months ago 4
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@kareng5218 ""Prayer is an awesome thing, you should try it"
Show to me that prayer works, and I will.
quicksilver3757 11 months ago
I DO NOT understand how you have enough patience to deal with this guy who is unreasonable and talking in circles. Youre a better more patient human being than I TB. Kudos.
AlphaBrenda1 1 year ago
I think Metaphysical flatulence does it well!
lewisbreland 1 year ago
Let me just say this Scott, I have the utmost respect for you and the fact that I do believe in the Christian God does not chenge that fact. You are very well studied in both vocabulary and just all-in-all knowledge of your stand on your beliefs. The very sad fact is I respect you a little more than a majority of my so called "christian" friends. Therefore I must say with great pride that you are on the top of my People-I-Respect List (next to God of course, sorry). Anyway keep it up man.
Alesana215 1 year ago
Recurrent laryngeal nerve = god is a moron or a myth
g24417 1 year ago
stop thinking start believing. I'm sorry but its kinda obvious God exists, many signs to show that GOD does exist. I mean who created the world? Whatever made this world is our God, whatever God you believe in Allah or God that Christians believe, or Buddha...It just means there is a God. You can't make a world out of thin air. -__-
And if Religion is your problem then whatever, but that has nothing to do with God. You are not to hate Religion or not like it, its the people that make it dat way
JojoTheJoCpuMaster 1 year ago
@JojoTheJoCpuMaster
1: You just told me to stop thinking. Lol!
2: Show me the signs objectively and scientifically and I will convert on the spot.
3: Nobody created the world, the earth (and all the other planets) all formed from the accretion disc of the sun.
4: I agree, you can't make a world out of thin air, which coincidentally what your God apparently did. Go figure.
:)
musli4brekkies 1 year ago 24
@musli4brekkies lol oh crap, I feel dumb...By the first part. The rest is just full of science I just don't interfere with what I believe in. Just to be quite honest, if their is evil spirits (demons) then there is God. But anyway I'm just a teenager I guess I need more education on Religion and Science.
JojoTheJoCpuMaster 1 year ago
@JojoTheJoCpuMaster"stop thinking start believing"? Great life plan! How's that working for you, Sparky?
MrSonicAdvance 1 year ago
@MrSonicAdvance That's the goal of meditation, which I believe is just the natural induction of DMT. It sounds anti-intellectual, but to cease thought is the greatest psychological endeavor you'll ever partake in. Monks dedicate their lives to this. That's what's done in the temple. So, this person is right. If you stop thinking, you'd come into God-realization, and there's many doorways to it. Psychedelics as advocated in dose ranges alla Terence McKenna seem to be most reliable.
Hanahleia 1 year ago
If I stop thinking, then I'll be able to believe. That is a great way to put it.
Those who don't use their brains believe in gods. Ha, beautiful.
MattAlexWatson 6 months ago
@MattAlexWatson I think you have it backwards, because what happens in this experience is ultimate insight. It's what Hindus call samadhi or Buddhists call nirvana. Today, it is more popularly known as cosmic consciousness. For you see, a person who thinks all the time has nothing to think about except thoughts, so this person is therefore detached from reality in a world of illusions. If you're unfamiliar with DMT or concepts such as "ego death," then maybe this is something worth Wiki-ing 4 u.
Hanahleia 6 months ago
How suspicious it is that thinking brings us all knowledge except this. Not to mention that you have to already believe it can happen for it to even happen to you, so there's no way to distinguish between delusion and genuine experience. If this was a reality, then its practise would probably be spreading as opposed to dwindling.
I don't know what ego death is, but I would say that I regularly go through something I would describe as ego death when I ponder my insignificance in the universe.
MattAlexWatson 6 months ago
@MattAlexWatson When you say insignificance, that's merely a disempowering perspective. If you get into Buddhistic thought, you won't have that. You'll see that the one wave is what the entire ocean is doing, and in that very same way, you, yes, little "insignificant" you is what the entire universe is doing. Maybe you should read some Alan Watts or Terence McKenna or something like that. There's tons of Watts and McKenna on YouTube, by the way.
Hanahleia 6 months ago
I understand what you're syaing, but this doesn't inspire me to believe in a god. I guess some poeple might feel spiritually connected when they realise they are a part of the whole universe, and can considerthemselves to be one with the universe, but not me apparently.
Aside frmo that, feeling warm and fuzzy is not evidence of any sort of god, or any supernatural universal power, and I deal only in evidence. What can be verified by science, not what feels like it's true.
MattAlexWatson 6 months ago
@MattAlexWatson Okay, only this is not a "warm and fuzzy" feeling of the sort that Matt Dillahunty is well-versed in denouncing. What I'm referring to is a phenomenon in consciousness, a colossal altered state of consciousness, an in fact, higher state of consciousness, and NOTa vague or subtle feeling. Alan Watts called it "cosmic consciousness." Wiki that. The evidence is the experience, you see, and there's many ways to induce it, but Terence McKenna's methods seem to be the most efficient.
Hanahleia 6 months ago
Something which happens only within the mind, can only be fully understood once you experience it yourself, and something which you must already have faith in in order to experience, meaning there's no way to distinguish between delusion and genuine experience.
That's pretty cool, and I like the part where you don't address the issue of evidence.
MattAlexWatson 6 months ago
@MattAlexWatson A buddhist would say that your experience now is the delusion of the ego, and the dissolution of the ego is genuine experience. I did point out that the experience of this colossal altered state of mind is the "evidence", and I don't think that could be fully understood. Neuroscience isn't "fully" understood, therefore the experience as of now is necessary to glimpse what I'm talking about. If you want more evidence, however, try searching DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Strassman.
Hanahleia 6 months ago
Look, here's how it is for me. I'm basically running on the null hypothesis. If I get to choose between that some amazing spernatural occurence is happening fairly often, and this occurence magically enlighten people to some kind of amazing truth about the universe, or that some people have deluded themselves into believing that that's what's happening, I will go with the one that is more scientifically sound.
MattAlexWatson 6 months ago
(Continued)
I wait eagerly for all of these amazing events to be discussed in peer-reviewed scientific journals, and then changing the face of science with all of it's amazing implications, but until then, I'm ready to let it go and not worry about it, because it looks like a load of shit right off the bat.
MattAlexWatson 6 months ago
@MattAlexWatson Well, then that's the very thing that's keeping you from exactly what you said, that, "Some supernatural occurrence is happening fairly often, and this occurrence magically enlighten people to some kind of amazing truth about the universe." I think deep down you know it, now it's just a matter of dissolving boundaries. Have you taken a look at this?
/watch?v=9c8an2XZ3MU
Terence McKenna advocated what he called a "heroic dose of psilocybin mushrooms," and I ask y'ever had that?
Hanahleia 6 months ago
Of course. I'm a secret buddhist. You caught me.
So, now you're telling me that a good way to experience the ultimate truth is to actually destroy my mental faculties with illicit drugs? I'll admit that the video is quite interesting, but even with everything he says, there's still no way to tell the difference between delusion and genuine experience!
I've had my share of drugs, mostly alcohol and marajuana, but they just make me feel like a fool, make it easier for me to do things I regret.
MattAlexWatson 6 months ago
@MattAlexWatson No, that's not what I'm saying. These "drugs" aren't like alcohol or marijuana, so you can't extrapolate your experience on marijuana to imagine what this is like. It's something utterly different. DMT (N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) is naturally produced in the brain. I think that's a major hint to the fact that these aren't as detrimental to your mental faculties that maybe propaganda or tv has led you to believe. In fact, during the experience, your cognitive capacity isn't affected.
Hanahleia 6 months ago
@MattAlexWatson (Continued) That's it. You're holding yourself back from it. You're not going to find ultimate truth in peer-reviewed scientific journals, at least not currently in our society or culture. That's one of the points Terence McKenna tries to make in that video. Instead, it's rather that truth arrives counter-intuitively to what you originally believed, it's esoteric, paradoxical, and you find it always by shearing through a pathway of illusion, because that's where you started from.
Hanahleia 6 months ago
(contunued)
I won't find this ultimate truth in scientific, peer-reviewed articles because it's unfaslifiable nonsense.
And how do we know this about the truth?
MattAlexWatson 6 months ago
@MattAlexWatson Well, would you consider this experience? I could attempt to answer your question, but it would be nonsensical to your ears or eyes if you haven't had the experience yourself. So, I'll leave you a suggestion instead:
/watch?v=Nrj1X6TzEXo&playnext=1&list=PL4D35BC49277B6F49
I also recommend you search Alan Watts here on YouTube, if you haven't.
Hanahleia 6 months ago
@Hanahleia I have a deep-rooted affection for Alan Watts, because my parents used to have his books all over the house when I was a kid. I get where you're coming from. But I don't think you've made it clear to @MattAlexWatson that you aren't making claims about the nature of the cosmos, only subjective consciousness. It's a different state of cognition that our brains are capable of (with practice), and we have plenty of scientific data on it ( h t t p : / / b i t . l y / n W b A m t )
TheoreticalBullshit 6 months ago
@TheoreticalBullshit Jung was always concerned with these people who'd say, "Well, it's only the mind, it's only your psyche." He'd reply, "Well, I've got news for you, the psyche is all there is." Hindus have said this as well, that "consciousness is all there is." Now, I've never understood thoroughly what is meant by this, but "enlightenment" is always concerned with removing the sense of "I am." What is energy/consciousness? Have you been to w w w egodeath com or listened to Terence McKenna?
Hanahleia 6 months ago
@TheoreticalBullshit haha I love Alan Watts, sorry for random outburst... Share the philosophy not the hate.
mattgresh1 5 months ago
TheoreticalBullshit, you are a great debater.
prgmbeta 1 year ago
What proof or evidence says that athiesm is accurate and correct?
MasserZerg 1 year ago
@MasserZerg
wow.......just wow
darklorddogg 1 year ago
@MasserZerg none. Does there need to be evidence that Bigfoot does not exist before you say he does not? no. Does there need to be evidence that Zeus does not exist before we can rule out his existence? no. So why should we have to prove that the Christian god does not exist? because the believers in that god say that there is a god? there are also people who would claim that Allah is god. Do you need to prove to them that Allah does not exist to claim he does not? think about it.
AKaudy 1 year ago 3
@MasserZerg You ask: "What proof or evidence says that athiesm is accurate and correct?"
Ah, a line you swallowed, and then regurgitated.
There is some evidence, but there is no proof. So, I guess you win. Yay for you!
Now that you've slaughtered all atheists with your regurgitative debating skills, you'll still notice that no former atheists are getting on their knees to beg forgiveness. That must be very confusing and frustrating for you.
pburto 8 months ago
I almost hold that syllogism as true. I would add "it is probable" somewhere in that second statement somewhere.
Zetimenvec 1 year ago
if you remake all your videos it's only because you haven't made them all in the voice of Stewie
Ralndrath 1 year ago
There is no reason to debate with someone that is not open to the idea that they could be wrong.
Ricardius1710 1 year ago
There is no such thing as "supernatural". So, a believer in the supernatural definitely has no place in telling a metaphysical naturalist or materialist or whatever, that they are wrong.
Ricardius1710 1 year ago
I hold on to God with the reason that it is the most reasonable and rational thing to do. The world is full of evidence for God. Your dismissal of that evidence, or your arguments to support your views are not proof to anyone besides yourself.
bloodgrace1 1 year ago
@bloodgrace1 Which god?
Sinnessa 1 year ago
@Sinnessa The Lord Jesus Christ who is God in the Flesh. There are no other gods, only so-called gods.
bloodgrace1 1 year ago
@bloodgrace1 That's what every theist says about their particular god or gods, but they never offer any compelling evidence to support such an assertion. I assume you can, though?
Sinnessa 1 year ago
I'm an atheist, and I realize that this was never your argument, but just for "fun", a standard christian rebuttal to the question of why a perfect designer would create a sub-optimal human, would be that each human was not the objective creation, but that the human race or the universe was the perfect creation, and that optimizing humans, would be like optimizing any other animal. Both a cat and a human would be identical, and so maybe what is optimal is not what is perfect.
IanEColeman 1 year ago
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Dear atheists:
1.) The wave-function of the universe is self-collapsing. (true by definition)
2.) Self-collapsing wave-functions are minds. (Roger Penrose's quantum mind model -Orch-OR)
Conclusion: watch?v=Kj8UdHuP5l8
Well what do you know about that! ;)
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
and the reason we cant imagine that we have higher states of being and higher forms of existence is because we are limited to our third density.
jaggerofgy 1 year ago
so athiests are wrong and also christians.
jaggerofgy 1 year ago
and christians are worse off than athiests because they believe in brainwashed crap .... at least athiests are trying to find the truth
jaggerofgy 1 year ago
the truth is we are all masters , and we chose to lower our selfs into the lowwest density state we can and chose to forget our true nature and became the masters of limitation..... So that is why athiests dont believe in god Because we all chose to forget our true nature thats why.
jaggerofgy 1 year ago
@jaggerofgy
If we chose to forget our true nature then we would have been making a decision that was better informed at the time of choosing.
BUT you are assuming:
1 we are all masters
2 we chose (not choose?) to lower ourselves
3 we could have chosen to forget our true nature
4 we had a true nature
5 we became masters of limitation (what does that even mean?)
There is no apparent truth or logic in these claims. Please explain the truth or logic or both (assuming there is any) of your claim
akaei0 1 year ago
@akaei0 their is no way of proving this because we are in 3rd density , you cant prove something thats in a totaly new place that doesnt have to rely on our earthly rules and laws ... stop thinking 3rd D and start thinking bigger and outside of your 5 senses...
jaggerofgy 1 year ago
@jaggerofgy
Oooor I could make up something completely new and outside of 3rd complexity (since we're making things up). Since it can't be disproved it must be a flaw in your thinking if you can't accept it without evidence. I can claim your just not thinking big enough.
So out of your 5 assumptions you can't ground even one in reality? But your assumptions should be taken seriously because... ?
If you want to be taken seriously, please give us a reason to do so.
akaei0 1 year ago
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@akaei0 nah i didnt say any one take me seriously did i, i couldnt care less if you dont believe me ,im not here for you people, im here for people who might resonate with my information.
jaggerofgy 1 year ago
Hello mr theory I believe some of the best evidence for Christ is people who claim Christ as their savior living in a way that contradicts the ways the world commonly practices. Such as forgiving those who harm us instead of seeking revenge. Praying for people who hate us. It all comes down to the evidence of Christ changing our hearts into something entirely different. From worldly and carnal to loving and kind. This is having a rebirth of our consciousness "Born Again"
Superpanda9586 1 year ago
@PitterPatty The bible's definition of true religion.
"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you." James 1:27
Superpanda9586 1 year ago
TB, sometimes you allmost make me wish I had a differing view than you just so I could argue with you, because your clarity is in argumentation is like poetry to listen to. Cudos and hurry up and make more videos allready! :)
TheStigma 1 year ago
This proves gods superior morale and logic
watch?v=wCx-QvNb2uQ
Jelubaful 1 year ago
Maybe there is an intelligence of some kind behind the creation of the Universe. But religions are clearly man-made and I subscribe to none of them.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you think the syllogism at 4:04 is bogus.
TharosTheDragon 1 year ago
I thank God for the French Revolution..
Suther23 1 year ago
Theoreticalbullshit, you seem to be an empiricist. Do you consider the mind
to be a reality equivalent to the world as perceived by our outer five senses or do you
think the mind has meaning only when it is explained in terms of the world of our
outer five senses(materialism)?
humansaretheworld 1 year ago
if you are an atheist, then where do you think the universe came from? im just wondering because i dont see how atheists can explain how anything came to be.
ColtyRamone 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone Not Understanding How the Trick is done ; still dose not make it magic
so something what looks supernatural in nature still dose not make it real
& how do you know, the Atheist way is not the right way, to live your life without believing in superstitious Fear. Science & Idea's evolve into new ideas and new and better science, Beliefs stay and die in the past, they dont look to the future & make a better future, old ways have failed so look to the future, live life without Fear
RealityGameWorld 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone You have defined a basic problem of theism which
is claiming everything must have a beginning then making a special
exception for a super human like creator. Many atheists think that the
world has no ultimate beginning as the big bang was just an event in
a continuum of events and is eternal. You say that nothing can not be
eternal yet you make the god part of everything eternal. Why not just have
the world eternal and the world be as it exists?
humansaretheworld 1 year ago
@humansaretheworld i never said everything must have a beginning. but the only way for things to come into existence is by something that has no beginning, and if God has no beginning than he must have been the creator. however, i respect your beliefs and only want a civil conversation.
ColtyRamone 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone I am simply stating my position concisely due
to the 500 character limit with no ill intent. I agree that the universe
came into existence by something that had no beginning which is
the cosmos(greater than our universe). I simply see no reason to
create an unexplained super human like being to create the world.
Atheists explain the existence of the cosmos exact same way that
theists explain god's existence. The cosmos simply exists.
humansaretheworld 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone
There isn't ANYBODY that can tell you where the universe came from because we ( Humans ) simply dont have the answer.
DannyDzeko 1 year ago
@DannyDzeko i think the same. thats why i belive in god, because if i die and there is no god i loose nothing, but if i dont believe in god and i find out after i die that he exists then im really fucked. you know what i mean? there really is NO way to know for sure but id rather take a chance than possibly suffer for eternity.
ColtyRamone 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone
Do you really think a God that knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING wont figure out you're " believing " to hedge your bets ? ... you're kidding yourself.
Fortunately ... for us both God doesn't exist.
The thought of spending Eternity with God makes me sick. I would rather go to hell.
TheoreticalBullshit makes an excellent video about the topic of being wrong.
- watch?v=iClejS8vWjo
Its a shame you have to let fear and superstition rule your life.
DannyDzeko 1 year ago
@DannyDzeko but how do you know that god is anything like the god youve been told about? im curious, have you read the bible?or have you just been told "facts" about god?
ColtyRamone 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone
" how do you know that god is anything like the god youve been told about ? "
- I dont believe God exists, so this would involve making up another magical fairy tale.
I was told about the FACTS of God then read the Bible.
DannyDzeko 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone this is called Pascals wager, look into it, its got many many flaws, and ultimately, becomes a very bad reason to believe in a single god. If you really want to cover your bases for heaven, become a jew, muslim, buddhist, hindu, jainist, taoist, every single sect of christianity, mormon, and every other religion out there.
creepyoldman2 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone So you're basically believing because it's based on fear. You're playing it safe by believing in something that most likely doesn't exist because you're afraid of being tortured for eternity. I think you need to start asking some questions, First one being that what lloving god would send you to hell for not believing or not being 100 % sure he exists
spikeman23 1 year ago
@spikeman23 just because you punish somebody doesnt mean you dont love them
ColtyRamone 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone Alright let me put it this way. If you don't have kids , Lets say one day that you do. Is there anything they could to that would justify you locking them in the basement and torturing them? That's essentially what happens according to your beliefs. Your god is loving as long as you kiss his ass.
spikeman23 1 year ago
@spikeman23 what if they had done something so evil that it would be justified? ill use this as an example, if you had the power to eternally torture Hitler(extreme, but still)for what he had done, would you do it? this i think is how god sees people who either tell lies about him/dont believe in him. i dont know why, but i think thats just the way it works. but im still exploring atheism too, and i honestly dont know that much about christianity, so if i sound a little stupid then sorry.
ColtyRamone 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone Hitler would most definitely deserve that. But what i'm saying is being burned or tortured for eternity is pretty harsh for either not being 100 % certain that god/jesus exists. And no loving god in my opinion would do that. It's fine to ask questions , And i'm not trying to get you to change your belief system only asking you not to follow what people tell you blindly. Most christians , not all dont do that.
spikeman23 1 year ago
@ColtyRamone Even Hitler doesn't deserve eternal torture. His crimes were enormous, but still finite. His punishment should perhaps last longer than anyone else's, but not forever.
Also, I would be easier on him if he were my own child, and even more so if I loved him as God is said to.
TharosTheDragon 1 year ago 2
@creepyoldman2 of course i don't believe in the garden of eden?! i'm stating that's what christians generally believe, sorry for giving you the wrong assumption..
itsjoebrown 1 year ago
* are
XaqRD 1 year ago
Lightyears is not a measurement of time.
XaqRD 1 year ago
your pimp hand is strooooong lol
sixdumboutlaws 1 year ago
There are truths and there are untruths. There are probably truths and probably not truths. There are educated, speculated, and bogus theories. There are laws. There are manipulations and lies. 1 Truth: The government has lied to us in the past. 2nd truth: the government controls the education system. Educated theory: the school system has taught lies. Speculated theory: some science is being taught incorrectly. Bogus theory: Science has disproved God. Lie: Science has all the answers
jrhd00d84 1 year ago
You so need to go back on general hospital you were one of my favorites you and Wally Kurth
DevinePerez96 1 year ago
Love this man.
AngelSacrifice 1 year ago
I'm an atheist. I believe that while most people who identify as metaphysical naturalists DON'T hold that it's impossible for gods to exist, the term "metaphysical naturalist" should reasonably imply that it's impossible for a god to exist.
Any god that is defined as an immaterial being is precluded from existence by a world view that demands physical evidence upon the determination of existence. Even if god could manifest as a physical entity, only the physical part could exist.
mrbluesky323 1 year ago
lol.. Noah got drunk once....
Weallfart 1 year ago
the whole perfect body i believe became 'un-perfect' after the first sin in the garden of eden .. i'm no christian so please don't attack me for getting it wrong
itsjoebrown 1 year ago
@itsjoebrown not here to attack, but if you aren't a christian, why are you talking about the garden of eden? thats a jewish/christian myth. either you believe in the garden of eden-making you jewish or christian- or you don't believe in the garden of eden. sorry, you can't have it both ways.
creepyoldman2 1 year ago
1. Theistic arguments fail!
2. The no god of any kind exists.
No, we (I) could never make the statement that no god exists. I can't "know" such a thing!.
09:45 to 47....."So...thanks a lot....dick!"
Funny! Perfect timing.
Cootabux 1 year ago
What is the argument from plantinga?
AnotherMasterMind 1 year ago
@AnotherMasterMind Essentially that belief in God is still "justified" or "warranted" even in the absence of any sufficient reason whatsoever, because theism is an inherently "properly basic" belief. Noah has a video on it, called "Belief without evidence is justified" or something like that.
It's really, really, really stupid.
TheoreticalBullshit 1 year ago 23
@TheoreticalBullshit I think you forgot one... or two... or fifty "really" repetitions...
norcofreerider604 1 year ago
@TheoreticalBullshit are you really the person in the video? if so why dont you believe in god
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1 Probably because there is nothing that suggest any god exists..
thisisnotanick 1 year ago
You have a new subscriber. ^_^
cxsss 1 year ago
there are tens of thousands of denomintions of christians. Any description other than "jesus believer", would probably exclude someone.
UberLogic 1 year ago
time to find out the truth
MrTrilidge 1 year ago
At 11:00 or so that line of thought actually helped me understand my Linear Algera assignment better.
Idofphoenix 1 year ago
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yeah you are thats why I didnt watch your video!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
"Sufficient reason to believe that god exists"
This is entirely subjective and misleading. Testimony, be it lies or not/ is evidence in court. Lies and or incorrect assumptions/theories have spent many years as accepted truths in the scientific realm. Evidence for god exists, it just doesn't amount to anything. People, including many of us atheists, believe other things, with less evidence. Religious claiming 'truth' to prop X?, now thats different.
sashajw1234 1 year ago
wats the definition for catholics being hipocrits i want to know badly please reply
chris98gonzalez 1 year ago
I must admit you are super annoying and would take great pleasure in punching you in the fucking face!
RAKEYREDARMS 1 year ago
@RAKEYREDARMS And you, sir, are an idiot.
SeditioPlacida 1 year ago
@SeditioPlacida Eat a dick
RAKEYREDARMS 1 year ago
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@RAKEYREDARMS I must admit you are super annoying and would take great pleasure in punching you in the fucking face!
SeditioPlacida 1 year ago
as soon as he threw in a personal attack. he lost his credibility for me.
mrjosephnasty 1 year ago
Hey, just put that religion in the bin!
No evidence and all arguments have failed and even refuted their own god!
RELIGION IN THE BIN!
(videos will be added end of summer, stay tuned)
Cheers!
ReligionInTheBin 1 year ago 29
@ReligionInTheBin Nevermind religion. That's why you don't believe in a God, be eclectic, there is no book on this planet that explains God at his true persona. Religion only confuses you more, the search for God lies within.
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
You can replace the word `god´ , in your comment, with any nonsensical, contradictory and unfalsifiable being/belief.
So I applaud you for seeing the absurdness and hypocrisy of religion, but you too dont give any sound reason why a god would exist in the first place. The fact that, despite your knowledge about the everlasting debate on this topic, you dont even try to provide any reason, shows me that you´re no less irrational and unreasonable as the religious.
-ReligionInTheBin
ReligionInTheBin 1 year ago
@ReligionInTheBin Honestly I'm just going to keep this simple and not going to go into any details unless if it is necessary, which it shouldn't be because I'm not trying to convince you that your belief system is screwed up. My number one reason why I believe in God is because of the prevalence of miracles. I've heard of many miracles that have happened to my friends, and I too have had a couple very significant miracles happen to me as well. I would have to be in denial to not believe in a god
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
"I too have had a couple very significant miracles happen to me as well"
-- What's a miracle to you?
IMHO: finding your lost cat IS NOT a miracle, surviving a nasty car accident IS NOT a miracle, having a baby IS NOT a miracle... now for something that I would consider a MIRACLE:
1. Re-growing amputated limbs.
2. Lifting a car with one's mental powers.
3. Predicting the Mega Million Lottery numbers 3 times in a row.
4. Instantaneous removal of cancer in a terminal stage.
etc... etc...
ozpowermo 1 year ago
@ozpowermo I agree I don't really call, finding your last cat a miracle, or at least not an obvious one if it were one. But no I'm definitely referring to more than that. The shit was hitting the fan and I decided to commit suicide, so i took a serrated edge knife and tried to put it through my chest, it didn't work, I tried a couple more times and it still didn't even puncture the first layer of skin, I definitely would've died that night, but God seriously saved my life that night.
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
If you're in a suicidal state of mind you're probably experiencing a very strong surge of emotions and in your mind you could have been pressing the knife REALLY hard, but subconsciously your body wasn't pressing at all... it doesn't make much sense to assume that there was divine intervention there, especially in place of more logical explanations.
Really, what's more likely to happen? Divine intervention or your body's instinct for self preservation?
ozpowermo 1 year ago
@ozpowermo I was completely sober during the time and I was seriously trying to, i didn't imagine it, I don't have the ability to imagine something and get it confused with reality, it was no joke man. Stuff like that happens more than you think, a buddy of mine knows someone who shot themselves with a 38 in the temple of their head, it went straight through their head and he still lives today with almost complete function of his brain.
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
I didn't say you were drunk, but if you're attempting to kill yourself then at the given time you're certainly not operating with a healthy mental state... furthermore, I don't think you imagined that it happened, I'm just saying that in all likelihood your instinct of self-preservation won without you even realizing it.
Again, surviving a freak accident (friend shot through the temple) is no miracle... nothing supernatural needed to happen for your friend to survive.
ozpowermo 1 year ago
@ozpowermo wow I gotta hand it to ya, you always make up some other proposition to deny things, how do you do it, i mean I'm super skeptical, but I know for certain that it was God who saved me that night, even when I am stressed out I know what I'm doing, i am very intact with reality and i have a lot of awareness unlike many many people.The dude who got shot with a gun through his head he shouldve died, do you know how bad you'd be bleeding, the bullet went in the temple and out the other side
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
I said the same thing twice: it's more likely that your instinct of self-preservation won out. If you're so intact with reality, then how can you claim that I made two different propositions when I CLEARLY made one?!?!
The temple is essentially the spheroid bone and the blood vessels outline it. A direct shot to the side of the temple will go through the back of the eyes and sever the nerves without touching the major blood vessels, with timely medical help the victim can survive.
ozpowermo 1 year ago
@ozpowermo I was saying that no matter what I say your your going to always have some strange come back. The bullet definitely went through his brain, it shot through the temple and out through the top middle part of his head
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652 Wow, then we should all be praising Zeus. Clearly Zeus saved your friends life.
SupremeChimp 1 year ago
@SupremeChimp Zeus huh? That would be silly, I don't believe in addressing the true god as any name because I don't know his real name.
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
Why is it strange to assume that all those things you call "miracles" actually have a reasonable explanation that doesn't involve a supernatural being? By your logic, if we see something "out of the ordinary" we should consider it a miracle. I've seen MANY cases of people surviving all kinds of crazy accidents... one kid even got 1/2 of his brain blown out and he's still alive: youtube.com/watch?v=z7TcugWqyaI
Divine intervention wouldn't have saved him 100 years ago!
ozpowermo 1 year ago
@ozpowermo I've heard some things that would blow your mind, that are absolutely positively 100% miracles, and my experience was a spiritual intevervention, you did not experience it, so you would not understand. And an explanation as a miracle is not an irrational explanation, that stuff happens, i've heard some shit that would blow your mind but you have to expericence for yourself, because no matter what i say you are going to think otherwise, which is really quite baffling.
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
If you're 100% positive, then you should be able to give me an objective reason that leads you to conclude it was a miracle. All you've really shown so far is that rare events happen, but you've not show WHY we should consider them miracles.
The miracle explanation IS IRRATIONAL exactly because that stuff happens... and why is it baffling to want an objective reason? To me it's baffling that you think it's a miracle despite any objective reason for believing rare events are miracles!
ozpowermo 1 year ago
@ozpowermo Don't get me wrong, I am a very objective and skeptical person too. My experience was obviously a miracle, i litterally tried and to put the knife through me with more than enough pressure, i was completely unharmed, if you saw it and experienced it, you would know, i'll leave you to figure everything out, which everyone will figure it out regardless.
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
"My experience was obviously a miracle..."
-- I love how you just interject "obviously" in there, yet you STILL don't give me ANY objective reason why it should be "obvious". Like I said, if you're in a suicidal state of mind, then I have no reason to trust your recollection of the events. If you have a video of your suicide attempt with a pressure gauge measuring how much pressure you were putting on the knife and you could repeat it, then I would have a reason to believe you...
ozpowermo 1 year ago
@esca8652
By definition a miracle is an unexpected event attributed to divine intervention... everybody can demonstrate an unexpected event, but so far nobody can demonstrate divine intervention.
If you had a video recording of a pressure gauge showing how much force you're exerting on the knife, then it would give me an OBJECTIVE reason to conclude it is in fact an unexpected event... but it STILL wouldn't give me any objective evidence to conclude there was DIVINE INTERVENTION! Get it?!
ozpowermo 1 year ago
@ozpowermo It was definitely unexpected, I was expecting to have blood spilled on the floor and then have a very short interval of very intense pain and then meet God, it doesn't take much pressure to go through the skin with a serrated edge knife, and I know I used enough pressure, because I wasn't lowballing, I was getting serious.
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
Again... where is the proof of DIVINE INTERVENTION? Many unexpected things have happened to me too:
survived meningitis, collapsed lung, a car accident, two motorcycle accidents and not a scratch on me... none of those things lead me to believe that there is divine intervention. So what leads YOU to believe there was divine intervention?
ozpowermo 1 year ago
@ozpowermo Because I plunged the knife into my chest and it didn't even go through, you had to've experienced it for yourself, and you would know automatically that it was a divine intervention. You can't see the proof, because you think everything has a logical explanation to it, but you will see one day that miracles are real and so is God, that I can promise you without a doubt in my mind, so nm this conversation, when you die you will see the truth.
esca8652 1 year ago
@esca8652
Well, there is the problem... you can't show any proof that there was divine intervention aside from your experience and for all I know you could be making it up. The sad part about believing in God is that you offer the most impossible way to find out if he/she exists: when we die! Why do I have to wait till I die? LOL If God is real and in fact interacts with the real world, then we should be able to detect those interactions... why wait till we die?
ozpowermo 1 year ago