@JinsUnited I have a feeling that coming generations will look back on you and realize what an idiot you are (not to imply that we aren't privy to this utterly obvious fact now). This is of course on the purely theoretical supposition that future generations will care one iota what you did with your life.
@JinsUnited How is this not art? Schoenberg was a depressed man and the atonality of these peices show that. Art is about expressing feeling and this does that perfectly. If you say this isnt art because its abstract and unpleasant then every abstract painting isnt art. Prick.
@dancingsmoke what i meant is that it can be performed by men or women but i specifically don't like the video. its like they didn't even bother to realize what the words even mean. they were just like "o so i'm an artist and i think it should look like this" which in my opinion is crap
@Jerkicus I was lumping them together because of the fact that they both tried new, weird techniques and styles of composition and were contemporaries and pioneers of very unconventional types of music, not because they composed the same music. I know the difference between serialism and aleatoric and ambient etc. music. P.S. This piece has grown on me. I'm not quite sure what to think of that.
@pterodactyleuphonium Don't really need set theory for this one. Schoenberg tightly organized the piece around a little motive that morphs in various ways.
In case anyone is seriously interested: it's a passacaglia. As is usual with Schoenberg, all of the structural material is clearly stated at the outset. Then the other voices enter. It is only freely atonal, not twelve tone. This is still very early on in the process, i.e. 1912, the year BEFORE Le Sacre du Printemps.
I fail to see how this song could be disgusting. It's not "smooth" or "simple" or "direct", perhaps... but how, it conveys feeling and everything magnificently.
Not true at all. Schoenberg created the 12 tone system, many artists after him used that exact system. Without him and this song music would be drastically different today.
@VHalen2112 This was revolutionary. It inverted the manner of composition of music. If you study the piece, you will find almost numberless forms used. Also, it uses lietmotif in a very interesting way.
@Ilkeyrion I'm also in IB music and I'm actually writing my EE on the topic of atonality and tonality using Schoenberg and his followers as en example. I would agree with you that Mozart is easier to listen to, but I also don't think we can call all art from the 20th century onwards "rubbish" as other people have posted. If no one ever innovated music, we'd still be playing super lame music. Mozart stretched the limits of the Classical Era. The twelve-tone technique may just be the next step.
I went to a performance of pierrot last year and it was amazing. I was cringing in my seat like a performance of music had never made me do before, in a good way. The mime on stage and lighting helped, but the poetry in combination with the music and sprechstimme... so creepy.
Its been nearly 100 years since Pierrot Lunaire was composed.It was rubbish then,it is rubbish now,and it will be rubbish in 100 years time,like much 'art ' from the early 20th century onwards.
@cjdarnieder I'd say this video is a pretty good representation of the ludicrousness of Expressionism. The song is just as over the top in the ridiculous tortured lyrics and sentiment as the video.
@ kronos: the film doesn't need to have anything to do with the poem: Stravinsky: ''Film music should be to the film as the piano being played in the next room is to the book I'm reading''
@GregFox100 Not really a fan of Stravinsky...or the Second Viennese School. :S I really hope that Sprechstimme & atonality aren't too common in the 21st Century. Before you accuse me of trolling, I have to analyze early 20th Century music for IB Music. I'd rather listen to Mozart...
@Ilkeyrion Well, to everyone his taste. Personally, I think that any genre of music can be enjoyable if you get used to and get immersed in it's particular language. See what fans of the music like about and perhaps you'll come to appreciate a musical tradition very different from what you've become used to. As for twentieth century music, well, we've got so many genres these days and music's progressed so far beyond the constraints of the keys that I think the question's moot.
@iKohan HUH!? AHH! Piano Suite Op. 25 is Serialism though... you can't do a harmonic analysis. LOL. Unless you analysis and identify the various rows, which isn't that hard, as P0, R0, and P6 are really the only ones used in all six movements. (I may be forgetting some rows, it's been a long time since I've looked at it.)
@wtfuuuck What good would a harmonic analysis do for a piece with no functional harmony? This music should be analysed based on its sets and intervallic patterns, among other things.
@IndustrialPlatypus Exactly!!! :D It's easy to analyze. Just use pitch set theory. Like normal order and stuff. Really schoenberg's a genius. He continually uses (014)'s to "kill/blot" out the sun. Like litterally, if you connect all of the (014)'s, you get blocks of interlocking triangles. It's awesome. and that's just scratching the surface of his genius in this piece. lol. :]
@wtfuuuck It's actually INCREDIBLY easy to analyse this piece. It is all based on different transformations of the [0, 1, 4] trichord. All of it. There is that and the (mostly) descending chromatic lines to worry about, and that is really it.
If you are referring to a tonal harmonic analysis... Well, you can't.
well...it seems to this artist that reality is based on relativism. Or, perhaps the author has seen something that goes beyond our societal tolerated norm and is expressing the craziness of what she has seen outside of known reality. ie the blackened butterflies falling that she keeps referring to... hmmmm
@kattodcan2 as for the music.... the notes used definately create a dark serious tone.... the flow or choppiness of the music, makes one think they are inside a mind that is in turmoil or unresolved conflict.
@wtfuuuck When I had to analyze it.... Opiates and repeatedly striking myself in the testicles had profoundly beneficial effects on my ability to do the aforementioned analysis.
I remember the first time I saw this I was with two other people, and we were exploring Schoenberg's music. We looked at this video, and started to laugh and scream at the same time when the close up of the woman appeared. It was disturbing and comedic at the same time. We made so much noise that people rushed in to see what was wrong. The sound and visuals were so bizarre and the film was so ridiculously random that we did not know how to handle it. It is kind of cool, if you think about it.
Then we have the same taste. I really have to struggle through my studies concerning the period of modernism. It really sucks as you put it. And more composers of this atonal ways of composing are to come. Perhaps we could share opinions from now on in our studies. Where are you from? Perhaps we could get aquinted on Facebook if you have an account there?
@ElPr0n i probably know more about music than you, yes i know its a form of music called sprechgesang but really it isnt something that most people could listen to for pleasure, the video ismore a factor than the music itself, so yeah once you study music , play bagpipes for 8 years and piano for 9 come back and tell me that you know more.
NO, crap is crap. and this IS crap!!!! and crap like this doesn't compare to real art and real music that is out there. i can't believe people love shit like this and neglect REAL art.
Schoenberg Nacht #8 is probably my favorite of all Pierrot Lunaire poems. I love this video. You have to see beyond the words of the poem. "Black gigantic butterflies killed the shining sun". Obviously the mother in the video is dealing with something horrible in her life. They relate believe it or not kronos77. The director knows what he's doing.
@darthdidious Actually it's quite strong; I've eaten things, the mere sight of which, would cause many to upend their stomachs. My stomach only has three weaknesses: elderly folk with infections, barnacles, and this music.
While I have great admiration for the fact that this song is so utterly offensive that it can make me feel so miserable, that is really the only aspect of it that I find impressive, besides its interesting mathematical experimentations.
@darthdidious How is this music not mathematical? Schoenberg wrote this piece using (014)'s as the main point of the butterflies blocking out the sun... Correct me if I'm wrong.. but normal order and prime form have everything to do with math.
You are wrong. Saying [014] has "everything to do with math" is like saying major triads have "everything to do with sandwiches". What [014] represents is a specific combination of three pitch-classes which emphasizes a certain combination of intervals (giving it a distinctive sound). That we sometimes use numbers to describe atonal music makes it no more mathematical than our lives are mathematical because we measure our ages with numbers.
@darthdidious I am not wrong. I know what pitch classes are and all of this stuff. I study it in college. I was just saying that to find what the prime form is from the normal order, you have to use math. There's really no way around that... I mean it's not much math at all...but I was always taught to use a little math to figure it out. I think we are mis-understanding each other here. lol.
p.s. I seriously died of laughter at the sandwich thing you said. :] That was pretty funny. lol.
Actually, finding the normal order and prime form of a set requires absolutely no math at all, and the mathematical underpinnings for pitch-class set theory are so simple that one need no more than a high school level education to understand it. It is a misrepresentation of both the theory and the music to call it "mathematical."
@darthdidious Well, maybe it's a stretch to call it mathematical, but, the way I've always been taught by all of my professors has been to use math. Basic basic subtraction and addition yes.. but math non-the-less. Lets just consider this something that we agree to disagree about? lol Maybe the places that we study just teach it differently and no one is wrong here. lol.
I don't think you understand my point. That one might use a little math to find the normal order of a set doesn't implicate the entire theory and the music it is used to analyze as "mathematical" (as you seem to be suggesting). The kinds of relationships this music is built on are not obscure mathematical procedures, they are musical: intervals which are formed into chords and motives. Set theory merely provides a framework within which to understand these relationships.
@darthdidious see we are just mis-understanding each other. lol. And I don't doubt that most of it is my fault because I'm bad at explaining what I mean. lol I agree with and understand everything that you just said. So I think that we were just completely missing each other's points. lol. I wasn't talking about the music at all. I was just talking about finding the prime form from the normal order. That's what I was talking about this whole time. lol. It's my fault, I re-read my comments, and I
@darthdidious didn't do a good job of explaining myself or anything. My bad! I was just trying to be goofy. I was never really serious anyways. lol. Sorry for all the confusion and whatnot.
It's astonishing how terrible this song sounds. I could eat a footlong chilicheese dog with baked beans, a bratwurst with kraut & hardboiled eggs with potato salad & it wouldn't stink as much as this composition.
This is one of the best cycles of music ever. It is Op. 21 because there Schoenberg thought there was spiritual significance with the number 21. Also it was published in 1912 and this was because Schoenberg hated and even strongly feared the number 13 and 12 is 21 backwards. Also, the first three notes of number 8 (Nacht) are E, G, E-flat and this is significant because it is 014 and this turns up in many different pitches and instruments throughout Nacht. It is AWESOME!!
musically speaking, this is the musing of a man who desired to be different in a way that wasn't different just for the sake of being different. he's like Liszt's late period, just not as soul-searching
Shoenberg was one of the greatest. ..I love his 12 tone technique and the eerie feeling it sends....It does freak my kids out though..LOL! They are under 7 yrs of age.
Pseudointellectual, pseudo-intellectual, or pseudo intellectual are all proper spellings. Perhaps you understand the English language as well as you understand Schoenberg's greatness:)
Settle down pseudo intellectuals and put your textbooks away. Schoenberg doesn't need your generic commentary. Let the music speak and get out of the way.
It's hard to "let the music speak and get out of the way" when 1) the work has a Symbolist text, 2) Schoenberg (as an Expressionist painter, not as a numerologist) belonged to Der blaue Reiter School, and 3) the video presented here is neo-Romantic (Goth/Gothic).
I read this as a nightmarish reaction to 9/11, not something Schoenberg, not to mention Giraud, had in mind. This is perfectly valid, given the YouTube context.
BTW, there's a hyphen between "pseudo" and "intellectual." ;-) .
More than song, Schoenberg adopted the half-sung recitation from burlesque into chamber music, anticipating Gil Scott Heron by 65 years. Pierrot is a landmark of music theater, and the only strange thing is that "goths" haven't discovered it yet.
Ive never been to college and i'm here what do you know?
tarantism 5 days ago
I respect the people who might like this music but.. This video is AWFULL
ankaenik 6 days ago
I watched this in my tenth grade Appreciation class, and came to find it on here because I liked it :)
xLifeStylezx 2 weeks ago
im an elementary ed major watching this.. dang fine arts requirements
dprosa420 1 month ago
I hate everything about this
FCO0710 1 month ago
my 7th grade music teacher showed my class this
angelofblood100 1 month ago
Yeah this is definetly a music major thing. For music history class anyone else?
ChelsieeeAnn 1 month ago
@ChelsieeeAnn yep! That's me
cbpd89 1 month ago
This is how I imagine someone's mind would sound as they were going insane.... it's weird and creepy, but it's cool.
g2theIrishPianist 1 month ago
I actually came across this in my Music Humanities class. Not a music major class. :)
TheOtakuMusician 1 month ago
Probably going to have nightmares about this.
DeadlyTurnip 2 months ago
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MAJOR WATCHING THIS! ~_^
XxMrLimeyxX 2 months ago
Brillante!!!
MrEugeniauniflora 2 months ago
There should be a Folk version of this. With brass players.
Mynnia 2 months ago
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JinsUnited 3 months ago
@JinsUnited I have a feeling that coming generations will look back on you and realize what an idiot you are (not to imply that we aren't privy to this utterly obvious fact now). This is of course on the purely theoretical supposition that future generations will care one iota what you did with your life.
wamlf6571 2 months ago
@JinsUnited Should they not?
8plus8 2 months ago
@JinsUnited How is this not art? Schoenberg was a depressed man and the atonality of these peices show that. Art is about expressing feeling and this does that perfectly. If you say this isnt art because its abstract and unpleasant then every abstract painting isnt art. Prick.
316rmckey 2 months ago
@316rmckey Yeah! 12-tone expressionism is awesome and just as valid as any other period.
TigerbythetailFilms 2 months ago
Lip stick building....sits nice.
ssballs 3 months ago
disturbing....
janni0519 3 months ago
This is so cool. No seriously.
loonyluna1331 4 months ago
Is this Tim & Eric's Awesome Show? No, wait, it sucks, it couldn't be.
badazzpresidents23 4 months ago
lol this is scary as shit
tjdbgt03 7 months ago
is it lady gaga of classic?
soningch 7 months ago
@dancingsmoke what i meant is that it can be performed by men or women but i specifically don't like the video. its like they didn't even bother to realize what the words even mean. they were just like "o so i'm an artist and i think it should look like this" which in my opinion is crap
corky7090 7 months ago 2
That creeps the shit out of me! God, I won't be able to sleep now! Schoenberg is awesome, though!
KlimovK 7 months ago
dis is scary
monijulliet300 8 months ago
I despise this piece with a passion. I really don't like Schoenberg. Or Glass. Or many of those kinds of composers for that matter.
chocoholicchic92 8 months ago
@chocoholicchic92 hahahaha lumping together schonberg with phillip glass. nice. real intelligent of you.
Jerkicus 5 months ago
@Jerkicus I was lumping them together because of the fact that they both tried new, weird techniques and styles of composition and were contemporaries and pioneers of very unconventional types of music, not because they composed the same music. I know the difference between serialism and aleatoric and ambient etc. music. P.S. This piece has grown on me. I'm not quite sure what to think of that.
chocoholicchic92 5 months ago
@wtfuuuck
You can't do a harmonic analysis. You have to analyze it with set theory.
pterodactyleuphonium 8 months ago
@pterodactyleuphonium Don't really need set theory for this one. Schoenberg tightly organized the piece around a little motive that morphs in various ways.
mushroomagical 6 months ago
i hate it.
shakeamabuckreet 8 months ago
Okay Lady Gaga...
uhohwhoops 8 months ago
this video has nothing to do with the song. its about a man for one and it is an explanation of Pierrot slipping into psychosis.
corky7090 8 months ago
@corky7090
Schönberg wrote this as a paradox, and composed a female voice to sing from the perspective of a man
Dancingsmoke 7 months ago
weird shit.
Zach634827 9 months ago 3
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kkim5000 9 months ago
i dont know how you would find this without being a music major
mexicangtrplyr 9 months ago 55
@mexicangtrplyr Exactly. I'm only here because I need to hear the song for class...
MrKain1000 9 months ago
@mexicangtrplyr Hey, I'm a math major!
darkalleyheroes 1 month ago
@mexicangtrplyr The band teacher at my school showed this to me. I like the band teacher at my school.
dakotaames 2 weeks ago
In case anyone is seriously interested: it's a passacaglia. As is usual with Schoenberg, all of the structural material is clearly stated at the outset. Then the other voices enter. It is only freely atonal, not twelve tone. This is still very early on in the process, i.e. 1912, the year BEFORE Le Sacre du Printemps.
Varese13 9 months ago
You know that you're a music major when you listen to this and the first words aren't "What the fuck?"...ok, so maybe we still do that....
metalheadnick555 10 months ago 3
Brilliant
paolosilv 10 months ago
Gotta love that (014) trichord
VisceraEyes91 10 months ago
hahaha
Ahelphand 10 months ago
You know you're among music majors when the Youtube comment wars are actually interesting.
othmarschoeck 10 months ago 4
@othmarschoeck you know you're a music major when you watch this.
fuchion15 10 months ago 24
@fuchion15 soc major but switching to business
jadedfeelings21 1 month ago
@fuchion15 You know you're a music major in grad school when you have a username like @othmarschoeck
stravinskyrocks 3 weeks ago
(014) (014) (014 ) (014) (014) lol.
Man, the way he connected (014)'s to the black moths(butterflies) was just brilliant..... Schoenberg was truely a genius.
:]
drumcorpsgirl1991 11 months ago
nice tits!!!
pleasedtoseeme 11 months ago 2
Schoenberg was ahead of his time by at least 50 years...
renumeratedfrog 11 months ago
O_O! Well! I certainly didn't need sleep tonight.
K9TheFirst1 1 year ago
People which say "that song" about composicions like that can´t be gotten seriously.
They are people which like music just as entertainment - never will get that kind of musical work.
codonauta 1 year ago
I fail to see how this song could be disgusting. It's not "smooth" or "simple" or "direct", perhaps... but how, it conveys feeling and everything magnificently.
Either that, or I'm seriously messed up.
thimacek 1 year ago
This song is the gateway to dozens of genres that exist today.
idontcarewatuthink 1 year ago
This did nothing for music history whatsoever
VHalen2112 1 year ago
@VHalen2112
Not true at all. Schoenberg created the 12 tone system, many artists after him used that exact system. Without him and this song music would be drastically different today.
Kighla 1 year ago
@VHalen2112 This was revolutionary. It inverted the manner of composition of music. If you study the piece, you will find almost numberless forms used. Also, it uses lietmotif in a very interesting way.
P1B1U1H1 1 year ago
This is the most miserable thing I have ever heard. It's the only Schoenberg I've heard that I like! 5 stars
MERTx123 1 year ago
bahhh this shit is sooooo scary, i wanna cry. Im not saying its bad, but it creeps the shit out of me!!!
keeks47 1 year ago
i dare anyone to watch this while high
silaswongmusic 1 year ago 3
@Ilkeyrion I'm also in IB music and I'm actually writing my EE on the topic of atonality and tonality using Schoenberg and his followers as en example. I would agree with you that Mozart is easier to listen to, but I also don't think we can call all art from the 20th century onwards "rubbish" as other people have posted. If no one ever innovated music, we'd still be playing super lame music. Mozart stretched the limits of the Classical Era. The twelve-tone technique may just be the next step.
chums1234 1 year ago
I went to a performance of pierrot last year and it was amazing. I was cringing in my seat like a performance of music had never made me do before, in a good way. The mime on stage and lighting helped, but the poetry in combination with the music and sprechstimme... so creepy.
oldschoolcaddilac 1 year ago
Its been nearly 100 years since Pierrot Lunaire was composed.It was rubbish then,it is rubbish now,and it will be rubbish in 100 years time,like much 'art ' from the early 20th century onwards.
MrVeracini 1 year ago
@MrVeracini
You're an idiot.
darthdidious 1 year ago
This sounds like something out of a nightmare! Is this where music progressed to?
Ilkeyrion 1 year ago
her "Sprechstimme" is especially pleasant to the ear.
xieeve1030 1 year ago
Schoenberg's music=A+
Whatever I'm actually watching=Total and epic fail.
I mean, c'mon...what?
cjdarnieder 1 year ago 55
@cjdarnieder LMBO!!!!!!!!!!! I completely agree.
JeChFoLi09 10 months ago
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donswald 8 months ago
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@cjdarnieder I'd say this video is a pretty good representation of the ludicrousness of Expressionism. The song is just as over the top in the ridiculous tortured lyrics and sentiment as the video.
donswald 8 months ago
@ kronos: the film doesn't need to have anything to do with the poem: Stravinsky: ''Film music should be to the film as the piano being played in the next room is to the book I'm reading''
GregFox100 1 year ago
@GregFox100 Not really a fan of Stravinsky...or the Second Viennese School. :S I really hope that Sprechstimme & atonality aren't too common in the 21st Century. Before you accuse me of trolling, I have to analyze early 20th Century music for IB Music. I'd rather listen to Mozart...
Ilkeyrion 1 year ago
@Ilkeyrion Well, to everyone his taste. Personally, I think that any genre of music can be enjoyable if you get used to and get immersed in it's particular language. See what fans of the music like about and perhaps you'll come to appreciate a musical tradition very different from what you've become used to. As for twentieth century music, well, we've got so many genres these days and music's progressed so far beyond the constraints of the keys that I think the question's moot.
Mehtaphorical 1 year ago
how the hell am i supposed to write a harmonic analysis of this???
wtfuuuck 1 year ago 141
@wtfuuuck
I laughed for days at this comment!
This piece scares me everytime I hear it.
katoppie 1 year ago
@wtfuuuck aaaaaaaaaand agree...
gwyn15 1 year ago
@wtfuuuck im doing one at the moment too buddy along with his piano suite op. 25
its crazy right?
iKohan 1 year ago
@iKohan HUH!? AHH! Piano Suite Op. 25 is Serialism though... you can't do a harmonic analysis. LOL. Unless you analysis and identify the various rows, which isn't that hard, as P0, R0, and P6 are really the only ones used in all six movements. (I may be forgetting some rows, it's been a long time since I've looked at it.)
neoshain 1 year ago
@neoshain OH I KNOW! my lecturer is convinced it can be done!
i dont think she realises that this is 12 tone territory not from his free atonal...
iKohan 1 year ago
@wtfuuuck Harmonic analysis on Shoenberg? Good luck on your sanity.
MrAkihiros 1 year ago
@wtfuuuck just write "miserable" and you will have analyzed it lol. Screw chord and voice analysis
MERTx123 1 year ago
@wtfuuuck hahahahahahahahahaha
utopiakostikacollaku 1 year ago
@wtfuuuck Take Calculus classes.
MrMuddyBleach 1 year ago
@wtfuuuck
Just write free material :P
Kayokak 1 year ago
@wtfuuuck What good would a harmonic analysis do for a piece with no functional harmony? This music should be analysed based on its sets and intervallic patterns, among other things.
IndustrialPlatypus 1 year ago
@IndustrialPlatypus Exactly!!! :D It's easy to analyze. Just use pitch set theory. Like normal order and stuff. Really schoenberg's a genius. He continually uses (014)'s to "kill/blot" out the sun. Like litterally, if you connect all of the (014)'s, you get blocks of interlocking triangles. It's awesome. and that's just scratching the surface of his genius in this piece. lol. :]
drumcorpsgirl1991 11 months ago
@wtfuuuck I'm trying to figure that out as well!
ratfinkproductions 11 months ago
@wtfuuuck pitch set theory... you know.. Normal order, Prime form and all that hullabaloo. lol
drumcorpsgirl1991 11 months ago
@wtfuuuck Come on!!!I did it in Berkeley!
vivegedda 11 months ago
@wtfuuuck damn good luck bro
haidisemirychan 10 months ago
Set theory, allen forte's
erikting 9 months ago
@wtfuuuck you learn atonal theory, which should be covered by every college by now.
Grothmanus 8 months ago
@wtfuuuck have you done it? i have to do the same...
drum6669 8 months ago
@wtfuuuck It's actually INCREDIBLY easy to analyse this piece. It is all based on different transformations of the [0, 1, 4] trichord. All of it. There is that and the (mostly) descending chromatic lines to worry about, and that is really it.
If you are referring to a tonal harmonic analysis... Well, you can't.
ShevanelSaeglopur 7 months ago
well...it seems to this artist that reality is based on relativism. Or, perhaps the author has seen something that goes beyond our societal tolerated norm and is expressing the craziness of what she has seen outside of known reality. ie the blackened butterflies falling that she keeps referring to... hmmmm
kattodcan2 6 months ago
@kattodcan2 as for the music.... the notes used definately create a dark serious tone.... the flow or choppiness of the music, makes one think they are inside a mind that is in turmoil or unresolved conflict.
kattodcan2 6 months ago
@wtfuuuck me fucking too! what the shitting fuck!?
TheNewTimman 4 months ago
@wtfuuuck Set theory dude. Get out your pitch class clock.
facemash 3 months ago
@wtfuuuck When I had to analyze it.... Opiates and repeatedly striking myself in the testicles had profoundly beneficial effects on my ability to do the aforementioned analysis.
KrummyBear 3 months ago
I remember the first time I saw this I was with two other people, and we were exploring Schoenberg's music. We looked at this video, and started to laugh and scream at the same time when the close up of the woman appeared. It was disturbing and comedic at the same time. We made so much noise that people rushed in to see what was wrong. The sound and visuals were so bizarre and the film was so ridiculously random that we did not know how to handle it. It is kind of cool, if you think about it.
FoxTreatment 1 year ago
what a terrible video lol
misscutesy69 1 year ago 3
I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.
P1B1U1H1 1 year ago
Bloody weird;
Bloody Brilliant!
TheLiamob 1 year ago
i love this! heavy metal could not exist without this.
Schiff252 1 year ago
wow- great - thanks for posting
teall909090 1 year ago
What total pretentious bollox
billyclub999 1 year ago
@billyclub999 are you sure ?
theHellzapoppin 1 year ago
BRAVO!
(thunderous applause!)
theonlysevenismagic 1 year ago 4
gotta love a bit of schoenberg
8mrsGerardWay8 1 year ago
expressionism is crazy..
Jonpoo1 1 year ago
this is so dark
kvnlmn 1 year ago
extremely disturbing, yet I watched it four times. I'm going to have nightmares.
superfakek 1 year ago
loved this
thanks
esterdion 1 year ago
This music is amazing, but this is definitely the worst video in the whole youtube. Such a bad taste...
gilbertoagostinho 1 year ago
omg this is fuckin scary
fluxuploll 1 year ago
This music makes me so happy. It sounds like a dream.
TheMolt1 1 year ago
yeah it makes me happy too
schoeberg was incredible. I love atonal music
esterdion 1 year ago
modernism sucks big ASS
8plus8 1 year ago
@8plus8
I can only agree. Studying Music History as we speak. This era is no fun at all. :(
falkman43 1 year ago
@falkman43 your a college student also so am i i had no problem with the classical or romanticism period but this is way to boring and frustrating
8plus8 1 year ago
@8plus8
Then we have the same taste. I really have to struggle through my studies concerning the period of modernism. It really sucks as you put it. And more composers of this atonal ways of composing are to come. Perhaps we could share opinions from now on in our studies. Where are you from? Perhaps we could get aquinted on Facebook if you have an account there?
All the best. My name is Per Falkman in Sweden.
falkman43 1 year ago
@ElPr0n you implied the same thing in your first comment, and yes i do know what sprechgesang is i just didnt realise you were on the same level
curlycoz 1 year ago
Expressionism in 20th Century
dark
icydong 1 year ago
@ElPr0n i probably know more about music than you, yes i know its a form of music called sprechgesang but really it isnt something that most people could listen to for pleasure, the video ismore a factor than the music itself, so yeah once you study music , play bagpipes for 8 years and piano for 9 come back and tell me that you know more.
curlycoz 1 year ago
NO, crap is crap. and this IS crap!!!! and crap like this doesn't compare to real art and real music that is out there. i can't believe people love shit like this and neglect REAL art.
fromAtoZ019 1 year ago
@fromAtoZ019
I'm glad you're hear to tell us what is and isn't "real" art.
darthdidious 1 year ago
perhaps the best music video i have ever seen, salud!
writingtree 1 year ago
lerning bout this in my Music History and Appreciation class
amaria72988 1 year ago
It's amazing how very subtle a peice of music can be.
Deathsong17 1 year ago
This video hurts my ears and my eyes.
MrDanielWakefield 1 year ago
....................thats nice
5botball 1 year ago
What is this, i don't even
flutetastic 1 year ago
i dont care what people say this cannot be classed as music
curlycoz 1 year ago
Schoenberg Nacht #8 is probably my favorite of all Pierrot Lunaire poems. I love this video. You have to see beyond the words of the poem. "Black gigantic butterflies killed the shining sun". Obviously the mother in the video is dealing with something horrible in her life. They relate believe it or not kronos77. The director knows what he's doing.
Saxymanda87 1 year ago
People on acid wouldnt even watch this
YugoRocketsFan 1 year ago
@YugoRocketsFan
...but you did?
darthdidious 1 year ago
genius or not, this song makes me want to projectile vomit all over my computer. it's the sprechstimme that does it.
Cswltd13 1 year ago
@Cswltd13
You have one hell of a weak stomach.
darthdidious 1 year ago
@darthdidious Actually it's quite strong; I've eaten things, the mere sight of which, would cause many to upend their stomachs. My stomach only has three weaknesses: elderly folk with infections, barnacles, and this music.
While I have great admiration for the fact that this song is so utterly offensive that it can make me feel so miserable, that is really the only aspect of it that I find impressive, besides its interesting mathematical experimentations.
It's the 2 girls 1 cup of music.
Cswltd13 1 year ago
@Cswltd13
There's nothing very mathematical about this music at all.
I find it amusing that you can actually be offended by a piece of music.
You're clearly not a person that deserves to be taken seriously.
darthdidious 1 year ago
@darthdidious How is this music not mathematical? Schoenberg wrote this piece using (014)'s as the main point of the butterflies blocking out the sun... Correct me if I'm wrong.. but normal order and prime form have everything to do with math.
P.s. I think atonality is sexy too. hahaha :]
drumcorpsgirl1991 11 months ago
@drumcorpsgirl1991
You are wrong. Saying [014] has "everything to do with math" is like saying major triads have "everything to do with sandwiches". What [014] represents is a specific combination of three pitch-classes which emphasizes a certain combination of intervals (giving it a distinctive sound). That we sometimes use numbers to describe atonal music makes it no more mathematical than our lives are mathematical because we measure our ages with numbers.
darthdidious 11 months ago
@darthdidious I am not wrong. I know what pitch classes are and all of this stuff. I study it in college. I was just saying that to find what the prime form is from the normal order, you have to use math. There's really no way around that... I mean it's not much math at all...but I was always taught to use a little math to figure it out. I think we are mis-understanding each other here. lol.
p.s. I seriously died of laughter at the sandwich thing you said. :] That was pretty funny. lol.
drumcorpsgirl1991 11 months ago
@drumcorpsgirl1991
Actually, finding the normal order and prime form of a set requires absolutely no math at all, and the mathematical underpinnings for pitch-class set theory are so simple that one need no more than a high school level education to understand it. It is a misrepresentation of both the theory and the music to call it "mathematical."
darthdidious 11 months ago
@darthdidious Well, maybe it's a stretch to call it mathematical, but, the way I've always been taught by all of my professors has been to use math. Basic basic subtraction and addition yes.. but math non-the-less. Lets just consider this something that we agree to disagree about? lol Maybe the places that we study just teach it differently and no one is wrong here. lol.
drumcorpsgirl1991 11 months ago
@drumcorpsgirl1991
I don't think you understand my point. That one might use a little math to find the normal order of a set doesn't implicate the entire theory and the music it is used to analyze as "mathematical" (as you seem to be suggesting). The kinds of relationships this music is built on are not obscure mathematical procedures, they are musical: intervals which are formed into chords and motives. Set theory merely provides a framework within which to understand these relationships.
darthdidious 11 months ago
@darthdidious see we are just mis-understanding each other. lol. And I don't doubt that most of it is my fault because I'm bad at explaining what I mean. lol I agree with and understand everything that you just said. So I think that we were just completely missing each other's points. lol. I wasn't talking about the music at all. I was just talking about finding the prime form from the normal order. That's what I was talking about this whole time. lol. It's my fault, I re-read my comments, and I
drumcorpsgirl1991 11 months ago
@darthdidious didn't do a good job of explaining myself or anything. My bad! I was just trying to be goofy. I was never really serious anyways. lol. Sorry for all the confusion and whatnot.
drumcorpsgirl1991 11 months ago
this bitch is uber weird
carrottoponcrak 1 year ago
Wow... this is awesome, but that woman is a mad creeper!
MustangsDog 1 year ago
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shit like this makes me glad the germans lost the war, crazy bastids!
swaaahtome 1 year ago
@swaaahtome The Germans actually suppressed this type of music. In fact, Schoenberg was Jewish.
Kayokak 1 year ago
Que coisa horrível! Camargo Guarnieri estava cheio de razão em condenar o dodecafonismo. Fora, Schoenberg!
Paulocandido1000 1 year ago
that is sound vomit
tyvonty21 1 year ago
It's astonishing how terrible this song sounds. I could eat a footlong chilicheese dog with baked beans, a bratwurst with kraut & hardboiled eggs with potato salad & it wouldn't stink as much as this composition.
ChrisfromSMD 1 year ago
@ChrisfromSMD TY and totally agree!
fromAtoZ019 1 year ago
This is one of the best cycles of music ever. It is Op. 21 because there Schoenberg thought there was spiritual significance with the number 21. Also it was published in 1912 and this was because Schoenberg hated and even strongly feared the number 13 and 12 is 21 backwards. Also, the first three notes of number 8 (Nacht) are E, G, E-flat and this is significant because it is 014 and this turns up in many different pitches and instruments throughout Nacht. It is AWESOME!!
amyleeluvr 1 year ago
I feel like this is like looking at a watercolor painting. You say to yourself "that looks easy, I can do that." And then you try to.
hinklegm 1 year ago
@hinklegm what a fucking excellent comment! one of the best i've read on youtube since can't-remember.
ffdff 1 year ago
musically speaking, this is the musing of a man who desired to be different in a way that wasn't different just for the sake of being different. he's like Liszt's late period, just not as soul-searching
1234567bryce 1 year ago
ha ha my essay is on this...what a joke!!
nipster4katebush 1 year ago
Can anyone explain to me intellectually what this is about?
mrvexingparse 1 year ago
@mrvexingparse
[014]
darthdidious 1 year ago
hahahah this is fucking hilarious
guitar103 1 year ago
Shoenberg was one of the greatest. ..I love his 12 tone technique and the eerie feeling it sends....It does freak my kids out though..LOL! They are under 7 yrs of age.
mathenia03 1 year ago
@mathenia03 lool haha
Chopinco 1 year ago
Pseudointellectual, pseudo-intellectual, or pseudo intellectual are all proper spellings. Perhaps you understand the English language as well as you understand Schoenberg's greatness:)
TheKingBolden 2 years ago 3
that was fucking hilarious KingBolden
MOWYWewan 1 year ago
Settle down pseudo intellectuals and put your textbooks away. Schoenberg doesn't need your generic commentary. Let the music speak and get out of the way.
TheKingBolden 2 years ago 5
It's hard to "let the music speak and get out of the way" when 1) the work has a Symbolist text, 2) Schoenberg (as an Expressionist painter, not as a numerologist) belonged to Der blaue Reiter School, and 3) the video presented here is neo-Romantic (Goth/Gothic).
I read this as a nightmarish reaction to 9/11, not something Schoenberg, not to mention Giraud, had in mind. This is perfectly valid, given the YouTube context.
BTW, there's a hyphen between "pseudo" and "intellectual." ;-) .
DonVueltaMorales 2 years ago
And no, Pierrot predates 12-tone serial techniques by 13 years.
Were a film to illustrate the text, it'd be annoying. This clip counterpoints the text in a way I find rather interesting.
DrMattMusic 2 years ago 2
More than song, Schoenberg adopted the half-sung recitation from burlesque into chamber music, anticipating Gil Scott Heron by 65 years. Pierrot is a landmark of music theater, and the only strange thing is that "goths" haven't discovered it yet.
DrMattMusic 2 years ago
is this scene of a movie? sorry for my bad english
howardronie 2 years ago
Testimony: I am a second year music major and atonality makes me cry at night.
-fin
kristofori 2 years ago 5