Schoenberg: Variations for Orchestra Op 31 (1934) - Pierre Boulez and the CSO (Part 1)

[astrosoundvids]

I love this piece, by the way. Schoenberg did not yet use the 12-tone system to avoid the question of harmony and the different "feel" of the musical intervals alltogether.

[astrosoundvids]

Hello Fisarmonica, atonal does not only mean the lack of a tonal center. Another feature of atonal music is the equal treatment of dissonants and consonants, what has been called "the emancipation of the dissonant". I do not agree with you that gregorian chant does not have a tonal center. The distinct character of a gregorian chant depends on the musical mode and you wouldn't be able to distinguish between these modes without a tonal center.

[marcelomelloweb]

Great work! This video is featured in my History of Music playlist , of the Choir Conducting Secondary Technical School , at Ourinhos (SP, Brazil) . Reference: Roy Bennett, History of Music (Cambridge Assignments in Music). ---

Excelente trabalho! Este vídeo faz parte de minha lista de reprodução de vídeos da disciplina História da Música III, do curso de Regência da ETEC de Ourinhos (Centro Paula Souza. A lista está baseada no livro de Roy Bennett, Uma Breve História da Música.

[kharlitoz]

Is this a dodecaphonic piece?. Please Answer.

[danteblaze14]

@kharlitoz yes this is 12 tone

[annaohmaahpa]

Catchy tune and snappy rhythm. Makes me just want to hum its twelve- tone row for the rest of the day, including its inversion, retrograde, and retrograde inversion.

[TheJoku3]

dramatic look!!!

[kiacoro]

いつ聴いても、背中の痒いところをいきなり知らない誰かに掻かれ­る様な気分になる。気持ちいけど、気持ち悪いという事です。

[benblessing]

Wow, this sounds much cooler than I was expecting. I am also surprised to see that someone who hates 12 tone music would even stick around this video long enough to shout some profanities at it.

[brianallancobb]

@benblessing

I think this was the first twelve-tone piece I ever liked. It was accompaniment to a modern dance recital by Mark Morris, a choreographer whose taste in music is exceptional and catholic.

[Tripo1iSamson]

anyone who says they "like" atonal music is a stupid pretentious fuck.

[danielmondana]

@Tripo1iSamson Very right.

[fisarmonicista]

@Tripo1iSamson I don't think that peopple who like Debussy, or Scriabin, or Ravel, or even gregorian chants are pretentious fucks, and all of those are atonal music.

[daudert]

@fisarmonicista I would be very interested in you pointing me to an atonal piece by any of those three composers, as I have not heard any by them...

as for Gregorian chant, that is definitely /not/ atonal. It is pre-tonal.

[fisarmonicista]

@daudert Debussy may not be considered atonal by some musicologists, but he was a pioneer for atonal music, in most of his works he even used harmonies with not harmonic meaning, used just to give certain effects or colors, you can see a lot of that in the preludes. Every Scriabin’s work since op. 58 is atonal. I may be wrong about Ravel, but it is important to say that he was more into modal music, so he was not completely tonal.

[fisarmonicista]

@daudert Now,what I was trying to point here, is that basing on the definition for atonal, which is the lack of tonal center, and taking out controversies between musicologists you can catalogue even gregorian chants in there, considering that pre-tonality hasn't a well defined tonal center yet.That’s what I know about that (or what I think I know, about that) and I can’t really go deep into the subject yet. I hope you point me in what you think I’m wrong, so I can get some knowledge about this.

[rancodanca]

anyone got score for this?

[bryan21tx]

I enjoyed it! It's good to go from Webern's Passacaglia, Op.1 to this.

[EnzoCagnetti]

Fantastica

[EyeOwnerProductions]

@JackyFappy go listen to your metalcore, retard

[spideyfanatic93]

I'd love to see how twisted it would be if this song were in a Fantasia film. lol It'd be the scariest cartoon ever.

[KhagarBalugrak]

All heil Musik Fuhrer Schoenberg!!!! Atonality has destroyed the beauty of tonality for all time!!!! ACHA CHA CH ACH ACH ICH NICHT ZU ZU ZEIN ZA ZA ZA ZU

[thexalon]

I had the privilege of learning composition from a close friend and student of Schoenberg. This piece is definitely one of my favorites, in part because he's still primarily about musical sense rather than theory.

It's worth mentioning that he was quite willing to play fast and loose with his own rules if the musical expression demanded it, which was a lesson that many 20th century composers failed to learn.

[JackyFappy]

So many people giving good compliments to make it seem like they are nice and smart people, stop faking you know this isn't beautiful in any sort unless you're a fucking creepo weirdo or a vampire, this is good BGM for a horror movie imo.

[Guitareben]

@JackyFappy nah i quite like it, but it IS creepy haha.

[russischeloesung]

@JackyFappy Go fuck yourself, you retarded bastard.

[fisarmonicista]

@JackyFappy You definetly don't have the same way to look the art as I have, wich is ok, I don't care, but I personaly think that art in general doesn't have to be gorgeous to be "beautiful", this work can be as intense as Bruckner's 9th symphony if you really try to listen to it using your attention at the 100%, just make an effort to understand it. Going back to the art thing, the message it transmits to you can be horrible or violent, but that doesn't take the estetic out. (sorry for bad eng)

[danielmondana]

@fisarmonicista It's Beethoven's 9th, you ignorant.

[fisarmonicista]

@danielmondana Beethoven's 9th is what? I was talking about Bruckner, or how the hell you know I meant Beethoven and not Bruckner if I did not make any Beethoven's reference?

[iamalittlespy]

@JackyFappy Trolling Accomplished ! 

[MrAkihiros]

I've always prefered Berg to Shoenberg, but after hearing this I may have to reconsider.

[holeypants74]

Schoenberg is just a more beautiful version of berg.

[PetrucciIsMyGod]

@holeypants74 I don't think "beautiful" is a proper term for describing dodecaphonic music, but I also think Schoenberg was somehow better

[holeypants74]

@PetrucciIsMyGod It's a joke.

[syntheticleopard]

@holeypants74 why a joke? there is so much beauty in this music

[holeypants74]

@syntheticleopard "schoen" means beautiful in German.

[syntheticleopard]

@holeypants74 fair enough

[mikern2001]

One of the most, if not the most, misunderstood persons of the 20th century. Lived down the street from Stravinsky, and probably shopped at the same grocery story. Each snubbing the other.

[callmeBe]

@mikern2001 Can you write a little bit more about the relation between AS and Stravinski. What caused that?? (I am a true fan of both, and did not know this . . .) Thanks. B

[SeleneHellsing]

Is a very interesting piece, I liked it. :)

[japanesesweet]

Interesting to compare with the Mitropulous version which is also ou Youtube.

The theme is really expressive yet it doesn`t really stick in the memory even though i`ve heard this piece many times.

[TheBlackPage1]

Beautiful piece, and certainly one of Schoenberg's finest. Very-well conducted by Boulez, too.