Jordan is VERY OVERRATED! He never won anything without Pippen.. The Bulls were a great team without him.. They won 55 games without Jordan when he retired , only 2 less then the season before. Took the Knicks 7 games to beat them in the eastern finals. JORDAN IS OVERRATED.. sorry Jordan homers
Jordan is head and shoulders better than Kobe. Kobe played Robin to Shaq's Batman for his first 3 titles. Not only that, Kobe's titles are controversial. 2001-02 WCF- RIGGED. 2009-10 Finals- Rigged. There is also speculation that the 2000-01 WCF vs. Portland was rigged as well. Kobe always had Stern backing him up so to even put him up there as one of the greatest is a joke. He's great, but not on Jordan's level
@TheNewzBreak. If you think the 90s were physical then you never watched the NBA during the 80s. Jordan started winning when Pippen joined the team.. Also when Magic, Bird and Isaiah Thomas were past their prime.
@hus20 Jordan wasn't overhyped by the media??? Jordan was the most overhyped player in nba history! Magic, Larry and Kobe never got the calls Jordan got from the refs it's painfully obvious.. Btw.. Jordans playoff record without pippen 1 and 9!!! When jordan retired the Bulls still made it to te eastern conf fi als and it too the Knicks 7 games to knock them out. Jordan = overrated
@DevilzDandruff Yes you're right. Your opinion is worth so much more than those of the poeple in the video who have actually played the game at the highest level.
Jordan got more phantom foul calls than any other player in nba history, it was laughable. He would get a whistle on a fade away jump shot when the defender wasn't even challenging it. Plus he never beat legends like Magic, Bird or Dr J in their prime.. He beat Patrick Ewing anf Karl Malone.. The Bulls also beat Magic when Magic got to the finals with a bunc of nobodies, and a hurt James Worthy.
@DevilzDandruff I'm from Chicago and a Bulls fan, and watched alI their championships in the 90's, and I even think many people way overrate Jordan's greatness.
@DevilzDandruff Watered down my ass, he played during a defensive era with many of the greatest players and still dominated and was the best defensive guard in the game...he did get a lot of phantom calls, like many other great offensive players, but more contact was allowed during his era so he still had to work hard for his points.
jordan also retired in his prime for 3 years to go play baseball. he woulda easily got 2-4 more rings. the maniac coulda had 10 rings if he played straight. instead of retiring n coming back. if all u kobetards really believe that that rapist douchebag is better than jordan. u guys might as well say cristiano ronaldo is the best soccer player of all time as well.
@1314someone ur on some serious drugs if u think kobe is better than mj. just kill yourself if u truly believe that. n btw cristiano does not suck ass hes still an amazing player. its just that messi is way better. but i was just trying to make a point about how stupid u kobetards sound when u guys say kobe is better than mj.
@hus20 Yea I'm high and when you’re this hot, everybody’s a critic
but when you’re this high everybody’s a midget
I'm only going but who I watched play not by what critics say and people follow, if you never watched MJ Play you cant say shit. Kobe has way more records than MJ and to be honest theres no comparison cause Kobe has done for his Franchise then MJ, Everybody is mad cause Kobe is gonna break even more records like All time points leader.
@1314someone dude ur obvi the epic definition of a kobetard. so this will be my last reply to u. but i do remember those championship runs that the bulls had from 1991 and on n even the second 3 peat. jordan was unstoppable plus mj never had a shaq. he never went 6-24 in a game 7 of the finals like kobe. p.s records don't mean anything cristiano ronaldo scored the most goals in soccer last year but like u said sucks ass. like u said u never watched jordan thus your opinion is null n void. later.
like all these people here commenting and whos talking about Shaq and whos talking about cr7? In the records still are getting broken by Kobe buddy even James and KD is coming after that ass. Lets not forget the real greats like Mikan, Russell, West
theres no greatest if anything theres always some better at least I admit someone will overcome Kobe not like all you guys we stuck in that ol school shit peckerface lol
@hus20 you don't have to breath to type dumbass and the only person that can have the say is Phil Jackson himself and he even said it even Scottie Pippen his own teammate said it Kobe Bryant is THE G.O.A.T. simple as that fucking somebody hasnt been wearing their Hanes LOL. Respond back cunt youre the pussy cause you use to getting beat up like it bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@1314someone haha kobe is not even better than lebron u tool. Where is kobes "ability to catch fire" ya he played well against a bottom feeder team in the raptors where he scored 81 pts i will give him that but when hes in the playoffs???? He always shrinks in big moments, like last playoffs against the mavs, and in the 04 finals and in the 08 finals. He always gets bailed out by his team like in the 2010 finals game 7, 6-24 in a deciding game 7??? G.O.A.T. Are you kiddin me??? u deserve a slap.
@hus20 That what a usual MJ hanes wearing dick rider would say too
Its too repetitive we get it Kobe had a bad game at the wrong time
Even your daddy MJ said Kobe is better than Lebron than anybody in the game right But remember this Kobe has always played every game he can with injuries unlike MJ which was a BITCH he wouldn't play
Name another player that played with injuries that played well as Kobe too
So ima end with being Lebron in the 4th quarter and vanish not show up anymore aight cunt
@1314someone who gives a shit about injuries god ur a moron. Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but you abuse the privilege. Jordan was also voted NBA League MVP six times. That's five more than Kobe, and speaks to Jordan's all around abilities and ability to lead and inspire his team. ko-me didnt even deserve that mvp cp3 shoulda got it. but thats another debate. Kobe lost in two Nba finals jordan never did. after mj won his titles he never lost a play off series. kobe got swept last year...
@1314someone n jordan had the flu n played n scored i think 38 pts in the nba finals where he could not even walk from the team bus to the locker room. so dont call mj a bitch. mj is the sole reason kobe is what he is today. kobe mimmicks everything jordan did. kobe is just a knock off version of jordan n thats reality. when kobe retires u think his status will be even 1 percent of what air jordans is? i highly doubt it. jordan is god in basketball shoes kobe is not even a snail in skates. gtfo.
@hus20 BLAH all hear you say is I ride Mj dicks and ITS GOOD lol
MVP Dont mean shit when you have all stars like right now back in his era it was only like 10 all star big whoopty doo now there like 60 all stars nobody wants MVP Awards anymore they want championships Kobe won his 1st at age 20 MJ won it at 30 wow thats a long time and Kobe made All-STARS as a bench player thats fucking impressive. Kobe has only missed playoffs twice in his whole career MJ mised it alot
@1314someone kobe was also riding shaqs coat tails for the first 3 rings he got. kobe was amazing but shaq was that team. i know its hard for kobetards to admit that but its reality. even tony parker won it as a rookie. u just have to be in a right situation to win. doesnt make u a great player if u win it at 20. n kobe making it as an all star as a bench player was just a big promotion so they can hype him up as the next jordan. since that was one of mjs last all star games...
you forget that Kobe rode Shaq's dick in LA right? Most dominant big man of all time you idiot. Jordan played w/ Bill Wennington and Luc Longley. Who played with better guys? Kobe did obviously. And still the greatest team of all time are the 72-10 Bulls. Suck on that
@hus20 and not just Kobe its the Lakers buddy were known to make stars simple as that As long as the Lakers keep winning Championships I'm good theres not only one player You might wanna check your stats and shit cause last time I remember Mj has alot more series than Kobe and swept too.
Now how about you stop getting butt fucked by daddy and let this go hes already engaged homo.
Youre joke like MJ when he tried and thought he could make a comeback LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@1314someone n your argument about mvp meaning nothing obvi u would say that cuz kobe only has one. but there is one thing that kobe will never get to is 6 rings n a defensive player of the year that mj has. so in conclusion kobe is a great player but never at mjs level even if he had shaq n phil jackson helping him along the way he still fell short. plus he will always be known as a mj copycat. no one forgets the original but copycats fade in peoples memory. peace im out kid have fun.
@1314someone Pal, seriously, you will have a long, long time to wait...
Kobe cheated his wife and had sex relationship with at least 105 different persons during the ten-year-long marriage; I wonder when is gonna be your turn to get your tender ass pounded by the infamous "black mamba??
I understand you want Kobe to be inside your body, but let's face the reality, ok? Do you really think you're sexy and lucky enough to be the no. 106 Kobe girl?
@1314someone yest kobe became the youngest player in nba history to score 28,000+ points, and he did it in vintage ko-ME style shooting, or should I say jacking 6-28 (1-8 3pt) for 16 points and finished with 6 turnovers. Even tho Bynum n Gasol were a combined 15-27 this ko-ME wouldnt give them the ball down low where they were dominating.This is why kobe will never be MJ, 16 years in the league and the dude still plays like a fucking rookie who just learned how to play basket ball. hes overrated
Kobe's better than jordan END IF STORY. Jordan changed the way the game was played but he wasn't the best. Compare his tape against kobe's. Look at who jordan was playing against.
@JarodANV kobe not in the top ten are u crazy, he has 5 rings, mvp, 11 time all-star, one of the most cluchest players ever, plus michael got swept by the celtics twice in the playoffs, also scorer than mj, kobe is as good as michael if not better
@Dwill211990 Lol.."END IF STORY".."Compare his tape..."...Are you a complete Moron? " Look at who Jordan was playing against"....WOW.....Yes,Let's look at who Jordan played against....How many players has Kobe played against in their prime that are considered among the best ever...Because That's ALL MJ ever played against and eventually beat..MAGIC JOHNSON,CHARLES BARKLEY,ISIAH THOMAS,KARL MALONE,JOHN STOCKTON,PATRICK EWING,CLYDE DREXLER,LARRY BIRD.Ever HEARD of ANY of these guys?!
@Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...Countless DEFENSIVE awards
@Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...Countless DEFENSIVE awards
@Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...Countless DEFENSIVE awards
@Dwill211990@Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...
@Dwill211990@Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...
@Dwill211990@Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...
@Dwill211990 Countless All-star/ ALL-NBA defensive awards...Michael Jordan....Michael was faster,stronger and had much bigger hands(not a big deal but it helps)...You want to talk about tapes...Michale had more flash than any player ever...Multiple slam dunk contests wins.....Kobe has already played more career games than NBA played and his nowhere near most of MJ's accomplishments.....
@Dwill211990 Oh..did I mention that MJ was a far better shooter than Kobe?!!..IF you take Kobe's BEST season shooting percentage...IT wouldn't even crack MJ's top 10 percentage seasons...I get that you're probably young and dumb..Most young people are these days...But go research some facts and come up with better points than "Compare his tape...." to argue something like this or you'll just end up coming across as STUPID..which you did btw...with great skill..lol
@miamisteele I cant honestly say that Jordan has a better shooting % cause he chose his shots very well. Im not saying that he can't shoot but I think that Kobe is still a better shooter cause he can make the 3's while Jordan is the better slasher.
@TheJewillDecena "I cant honestly say that Jordan has a better shooting %..." Ummmm..WHAT are YOU talking about? You don't have to say it...It's FACT...STATS don't like...If you and I take the same math taste...I get an 65 on it and you get a 85....there's no debating that you scored higher on that test right? Well,same thing with their shooting percentages....Jordans was just better to much better there....
I guess the fact that when Jordan played you could literally mug the offensive player. Also, Jordan played in 2003, Kobes prime, and at the age of 40 averaged 20 points, 6 rebounds and 2 steals a game. Case closed.
MAgic and Bird are both inferior to David Stern. when he goes home, he un- cloaks himself and is the emperor cackling "now..you just like your father..are mine!"
@netcap001 so you think Bird could have started at center vs. the 76er's that year and put up 42 with 15 boards? that's laughable. You think Bird could dribble down court at full speed under control. also laughable.
@MrJunktrunker ONE game,compared to countless great bird performances. that spoke volumes of your knowledge of basketball,using a single game. larry was a better shooter from anywhere on the floor. larry was also a better defender and rebounder. and they are comparable in terms of passing,although johnson was better.
larry has averaged close to a triple double in the finals. could johnson?
@netcap001 could Bird have done it for even one game? Bird was great but he didn't have the athleticism of Magic. Magic wasn't the greatest athlete ever, but no one before or since had his combination of size, skill, and athletic ability. If you've ever played ball at a level higher than driveway pick-up, you'd know that the single hardest thing to do, to master, is the ability to dribble down court at full speed, with your head up, under control, and see the whole court.
@netcap001 And you are either a moron or less than 20 years old if you think that one game is the only great game Magic had to compare to Birds. When Wilt the Stilt was still alive, he was asked who would he pick to build a team around, he said MagicAs far as rebounding goes, of course Bird got more he played forward. If he didn't get more he sucked. How many triple doubles did bird get? Less than half as many as Magic. Magic was the greatest all around player ever. period.
@MrJunktrunker johnson was a point guard,triple doubles are irrelevant. you made an excuse for rebounds because larry played forward. if johnson got more triple doubles,thats because he played PG. you can't have it both ways.
larry got a lot of BIG triple doubles. for instance,if larry had a game like this: 40/9/9, it would be better than a 12/10/10 performance by johnson, although it would not be a triple double. your comment about johnson being the best all aroundis bullshit.
@netcap001 triple doubles aren't irrelevant you moron. He had to get double figures in rebounds as a point guard and bird would have to get double figures in assists as a forward. You don't know jackshit about basketball. you're probably an athletically challenged dork who thinks Bird shows the world you shouldn't always be picked last in pick-up games in your driveway.
@MrJunktrunker it is way easier for a PG to get 10 assists than it is for a small forward to get 10 rebounds. why?for a mental midget johnson worshipper like yourself-johnson's job was to assist. larry's job was to score.
you must be stupid to think larry and johnsons triple doubles were the same.
for instance=larry got 35/8/10. and johnson got 18/12/13. larry's triple double is more impressive. some common sense for you,since you are lacking. that is a real example btw.
@netcap001 wow, you have almost zero understanding and can't follow an argument at all. and answer the question, do you think Bird could play center for even one game and get those numbers? here's where we find out just how much of a moron you are.
@MrJunktrunker yeah,i guess i should base everything on a single game like you do lmao. could johnson score 60?could johnson come close to a quadruple double(one steal shy) like bird?ONE game doesnt prove anything. i already explain that,but you are too much of a homer to understand.
some insight-here are a few things johnson could do that larry couldnt: throw up an airball to choke away a playoff series and choke in the nba finals,missing two free throws in the clutch.
@netcap001 Could Bird play point guard at a high level? hell or even at all? could he play center at a starters level? Do you think he was the best small forward ever? some do, some don't. all most everyone thinks Magic was the best point guard ever. If he was so obviously better than why doesn't he dominate polls as to best small forward ever the way Magic dominates them at point guard? but i'm getting off topic. I don't mean to belittle Bird, he was great and I put him above Jordan.
@MrJunktrunker fail. larry is way above anybody who has played small forward. many people come close to johnson. you cannot even comprehend that your single-game criteria backfires when you are comparing johnson to larry. i brought up the games to support my point that larry's triple doubles were a bit better.
actually,johnson should probably be 3rd when you are debating LB vs magic vs MJ. larry was twice the scorer,better defender,rebounder,shooter and vice versa.
@MrJunktrunker if you want to go by popular opinion,many people would pick a prime larry over a prime johnson. you fail once again.
larry was much better at forward than johnson ever could be. i dont see johnson battling the enforcers for rebounds the way larry did. he did show some flashes of brilliance sometimes,but could not do that on a regular basis. why don't you try to come up with some facts instead?
@netcap001 hey jackass, your family doesn't count as "many people" and you keep going on and on abou my "one game example" when i showed you that Magic had more than twice as many triple doubles OVER HIS CAREER. Being a better all around player doesn't mean you could do every single thing better but taken all together. If anyone has a man crush it would be you with Larry , if only you were a man. Some things there are no stats for, like the ability to dribble.
@MrJunktrunker you are really stupid:it isn't a that big of a deal for a lead guard to have more triple doubles. jason kidd gets a lot of triple doubles..who cares?
also consider that johnson triple doubles were WORSE:if larry gets 34-9-10 and johnson gets 21-10-11,you cant make a case that johnson's performance was better. if larry gets 49-8-8 and johnson gets 21-10-12,you cant argue that johnson played better. but larry's performances were not TD's. these are real scenarios btw
@netcap001 to continue, dribble at full speed, under control, with your head up and seeing the whole court. the single hardest thing to do in basketball. not that Magic was or is the only guy who can do it but he's the biggest guy ever who could do it. most guys go 3/4 speed at most, and I've seen Bird dribble it off his foot trying to do it, not a knock against him but another example of where Magic is better. some things Bird was better at, but we're talking all around player.
@MrJunktrunker bird is better at most aspects of the game retard. scoring is an aspect of the game,larry was twice the scorer. defense is an aspect,larry is better. i can also make the case that he had far greater impact on his teams. you can't make that case for johnson.
you are right,there are some things there are no stats for. like larry taking twice the physical punishment,or battling a lot of great big men,opposed to johnson not even being the go to guy on his team.
@MrJunktrunker you are dumb enough to equate flashiness with effectiveness. oh btw;one example of johnson being better is his choking away two playoff series and missing free throws in the clutch :)
fact is that larry was always the leader of his teams. johnson wasnt. i know this is too much for you grasp,but whatever. take your schoolboy attacks and shove them up your ass,where they belong.
@netcap001 you bitch about me bringing up one game then you throw out a one game example for Bird. Listen little boy, I like Bird and I like Magic, you on the other hand have an insane hatred of Magic and an unrealistic view of Bird. You're obviously a Celtics fan, they are stupid about any other team or player than there own, and not too realistic about their own either. Or you're an uncoordinated stooge that looks on an under athletic Bird as your dream of what you could be.
@MrJunktrunker i dont have hatred for johnson. you are dead wrong at that. you are saying johnson was a better all around player and backing it up with no more than a single game and your man crush on him. im not a celtics fan,never have been. i just put things into perspective-larry was a better all around player,you cant get around this.
@MrJunktrunker everything i said made sense. you just can't get past your idolatry. actually,you are the one who has "zero understanding". you proved that by basing your "johnson is the best all around player" claim on one game. dummy.
@netcap001 you still won't answer my question about whether you think Bird could play one championship game at center and put up Magic's numbers. I'm not debating about who could shoot from outside better or rebound better or pass better. I'm saying that Magic could play every position, and he did more than once, at a level that would make a starter on most teams and at an all star level for more than one position.
@MrJunktrunker you think johnson played the entire game at center?you are really stupid.
i could post some evidence to compare larry and johnson's effectiveness/impact on their teams. some insight:larry was always the main scorer on his team,while johnson was not. johnson wasnt even the best player on his own team till 1987. keep that in mind.
i'll go to state that you like men;specifically, johnson. nothing else explains your fanaticism.
@netcap001 ya know what net? we'll never agree on this but I know we both agree that they were two of the best ever and we'd both probably would put them above Jordan as the real heros and saviours of the NBA. If they had called the game for Jordan the way they always called games for the superstars instead of the even more preferential treatment he got, no one would be calling him the greatest ever.
@MrJunktrunker not to touch,but both johnson and larry have gotten preferential treatment-chiefly johnson,because he was a laker. saying that someone got preferential treatment is subjective. however,there are some facts: if you factor in his shot attempts,johnson got to the line at a higher rate than jordan. jordan averaged more personal fouls than in fact,the lakers as a team have benefitted a lot from officials..
@netcap001 of course they both did, it has always been so. they've always said the game is called one way for the avg player and another for the superstars. But Jordan got above and beyond. But to say Johnson got more favorable calls than Bird shows you weren't around then or are a Celtics fan or a Laker hater. The more fouls not called the better the Celtics liked it. Close called games meaning every foul is called favor the more skilled athletic teams. celtics were original badboys
@MrJunktrunker i wouldnt expect an apologist like yourself to admit it. you are posting crazy fanatical shit,and applying a double standard. the lakers have benefitted from that treatment more than any other team. you can also add some modern games in there: 2002 wcf,2010 finals. johnson got more calls his way than jordan did in the 1991 nba finals. fuck you and your johnson worship.
thank you for proving my point. i told you not to act like that never happened in the 80s.
@MrJunktrunker for instance,the play where jabbar got a phantom call in the deciding moments of game 6/1988 nba finals. or game 4 in the 87 nba finals,the officials made a a blatant retarded decision and gave the ball to the lakers in the crucial moments of the game(the play before johnson hit the hook)....
i understand that jordan got calls,but stop acting like that never happened in the 80s,its really disturbing..
@netcap001 holy shat, you wanna start naming bad calls you'll lose big time if you think more went the lakers way than boston's. you're a witless ignorant dolt when it comes to basketball. go home and send the grownup in your family. ..........I'll beat him like a drum too.
@MrJunktrunker "holy shat", post some fucking facts.. do you know what a fact is?you seem to know what an excuse,or childish attack is. maybe if you could name a bad call that benefitted a team like i did,you would have some credibility. but since you cant do that,stfu.
@netcap001 how many triple doubles over his career did Bird get? less than half of what Magic put up. Listen, I hate that you're making compare Bird unfavorably to anyone. I loved to watched him and think he's one of the best ever. He's just not as complete a player as Magic. Now come back at me with that myth that Magic couldn't play defense.
@MrJunktrunker larry was decent on defense. sorry mr.apologist; johnson wasnt a good defender. for instance,when the lakers played the suns in 1990, he got lit up big time by KJ. then they put him on hornacek,and hornacek looked like michael jordan with johnson defending him. at least larry was decent on defense.
more importantly,larry never choked away a finals series. i didnt say that was his only great game,i just pointed out that its moronic to base your claim on one game.
@MrJunktrunker oh and when you have a roster that is more talented from top to bottom,it's easier to assist:keep that in mind. you really aren't very bright. johnson was a point guard,and he didnt have a complete offensive game like larry.
its just that you are an incredible johnson worshipper posting crazy fanatical shit. and since you are so concerned about single games:larry had a game where he was one steal shy of a quadruple double. did johnson ever come close?
@netcap001 That must be why he got less than half as many triple doubles than Magic and why he was never asked to play guard or center. sorry, you're wrong and I'm right.
Magic "HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE" Did he get paid to say that? Head and shoulders over Kareem and wilt? Over Oscar? Over russell? This is why Magic should play ball but keep quiet..no disrespect..MJ is tops for a SG and one of the best ever..but head and shoulders over all else? did it on both ends? What was Kareem adn Wilt doing? Facing the best at their spot..without an all nba guy at his same position helping him out? What a moronic thing of magic to say. disrespectful
@netcap001 thanks. Magic is awesome and so is Jordan. But man what magic says sometimes. 1993 finals...first it is Barkley time and he is meant to win..then its Michael Jordan time. And magic's coaching record
@mikenotnumberone1 he is head and shoulders above everyone else, that is the truth. like they were saying, mj had the total package. russell was legendary, but his offense was just above average. wilt was a beast, but never won until joining lakers. oscar avg triple double, but never won until kareem. kareem had legends surrounding him most of his career and won 5. jordan won 6, and was the best offensive and defensive player. won 2 3peat. if not for retirement, couldve won 8 in a row. yes GOAT
@Saminem1 no..not goat. There is no goat and he was not head and shoulders above the rest. I will not get into all of that here but rest assured, this is disrespectful. Wilt did things record wise no one has come close to matching. Many stats were not kept in his era dn he did not have a sidekick at his same position to help him win playoff series. MJ had two HOF players on his 2nd 3 peat..please...KAreem faced titanic battles at center..mj did not at SG. he came back and lost in 1995.
@mikenotnumberone1 "Many stats were not kept in his era dn he did not have a sidekick at his same position to help him win playoff series. MJ had two HOF players on his 2nd 3 peat..please."...
They kept ring counts and Wilts dont measure up.
Jordan had 2 hall of famers in his second three pete...You know he 3peated with 1 hall of famer too right?Still reaching kick rocks cherry picker.
@RohoicRamz94 If you go by this measure than Jordan does not matchup being humiliated ever year in the toughest of eras in recent memory..is that fair? Wilt actually beat russell one year in Philly..those teams were stacked..I did not see MJ winning one game vs the celts. That is not fair to say..but going by theis method..see how that looks? I know he three peated..but that second 3 peat was just as many as the first three peat right? In an old and battered late 90's league ear.
@Saminem1 Jordan is an amazing and unreal one in a lifetime player..no doubt..but to say any one player in a team sport is some sort of goat is absurd. MJ had a career losing record vs the rockets..especially in the early 90's and he himself said he was glad he never faced them..take a guess who swept the team that took out MJ in 1995? Houston. Second..Bird's record vs MJ..so going just off a record like that is insane. Half of the late 90's bulls said "we do not win 70 in the 80's"
@RohoicRamz94 how does Sam Perkins own Hakeem? Have you seen his statistics vs hakeem? Especially in 1987 and 1993? It was the most lopsided affair I remember. I was pointing this out as some were only using a record or stats to show something. obviously shaqpop did not like this so he called in reinforcements to try to to the job he can never do. Prove something.
@mikenotnumberone1 my mistake with wilt. sorry. but your argument still is invalid. mj had losing record to rockets, so hes not GOAT? yet you praise wilt, what's his record to the celtics? GOAT is looking at the ENTIRE picture. wilt record wise dominated everyone, yet mj had higher career avg in both regular season and playoffs. thats a feat in itself. GOAT looks at the whole package: stats, offense, defense, titles, scoring titles, mvps, finals mvp, influence. mj had the best entire package
@mikenotnumberone1 what the heck? so wilt won 2 championships instead of 1 makes ur argument correct? i admit i made a mistake of wilt not winning until joining lakers makes my entire argument wrong?
you sounded pretty intelligent first, not anymore
look it, wilt winning 2 still doesn't make him the overall package jordan was.
@Saminem1 so you gave false info and were corrected..yes it makes a difference..also it does because you implied he did not win without someone..as I posted about Jordan. You are now resorting to insulting because you got called out on more mistakes than Lebron travels yearly..Look it..Wilt established records no all time great will touch..but I am not calling him the goat. Wilt as an all around player dominated like Jordan dreams of..but I am not calling him the goat..
@Saminem1 I do look at the entire picture and told you this in my explanation. The only criteria you run back to is titles..rings..if you look at both ends of the floor..wilt has it all. But again..I am not putting him as goat either. Look at the numbers he amassed with a lesser team all those years. Look at Kareems rings and titles..you were wrong about Kareem too. He has six rings and 6 MVP's..This is getting fun :)
@Saminem1 I did not name one criteria either..I am showing you that no matter what criteria you use..Jordan is not the goat..or is any one player. It seems like you are a youngster than gives bad references..states mistakes as the gospel..I pointed out several inaccurate posts of yours and now instead of seeing the light..you are trying to volume post to save face..its not going to work..I am no older than any one else posting here..why is that relevant?
...Bird never said Jordan was the greatest...in fact..the year after he joked Michael played disguised as god (then swept him..more comical) he called Magic the best there is. Do you not see this? Is magic the goat? Not IMO he is not. You are too cuaght up in loving your hero..I love the game and all the greats..that is the difference. I will not crack on Jordan here or cut him down..but if you try to angle all this nonsense at me and start in with non related BB cracks..I might
@mikenotnumberone1 this is the last bit of our debate, i grow tired of arguing with someone who can't see the entire picture and move on. i also grow tired of someone not debating the msg by resort to pointing out mistakes that doesn't change the underlying msg
i respect all greats...but im not blind to see some stars shine brighter than others...and dont make internet threats, its weak.
peace out old timer. best of luck trying to tell the rest of the sane basketball world jordan isn't the best
@Saminem1 I did see the entire picture. What did I miss? Not agreeing with you? Is that the part I am missing? well its not going to happen. I will never agree with you or will you make me. I can be polite too. And I am. No insults here. Just keeping it real. There is no goat and no way Jordan is head and shoulders above all the games greats. Some do shine brighter..but some also were on cable and national TV..others were not. Is that fair? What praise would a guy get avg 50 today?
@Saminem1 can you imagine what a guy avg 50ppg and 27 rpg one season would get? GOAT talk. Winning titles or not. blocking over 10 a game like what many recollected on wilt before they kept that stat. OScar avg a triple double for a season..and not JAson kidd puny triple doubles..grown man ones..30 a game..10 rpg and 11 apg. 3 stl per game etc. KAreem with 6 mvp's...all time leading scorer..def teams..6 titles..how is MJ head and shoulders above that?? LOL!
@RohoicRamz94 if you say better comp as far as volume players..yes I would agree. Absolutely. The 80's and early 90's were loaded. I agree here completely. I think in the playoffs though..the comp was tough as their were few rounds but the same dynasty boston team He had to face. At their respective position..I would say Wilt faced tougher comp
@Saminem1 If you want to call him goat..that is your choice..I will not rip on it..but again..to sit there and say.."Head and Shoulders" above everyone else? Thats just moronic..magic is a fool for saying that. Is he the MJ paid spokesperson for this ad? Bird and some others took pride in not reducing themselves to talking like that. Thats a suck up..and I dispise that behavior.
@Saminem1 Where did I make a threat? And I have had many discussions with hundreds..thousands of basketball fans..and guess what..many shared my opinion or had another choice for GOAT. do not be mad that I will not go along with your cult like behavior.
Pete rose gambled..then lied...so is he the gospel on baseball greats? Oscar thought he was the greatest..in a taped recording at the NBA at 50..1997 weekend of the stars..Russell and wilt said the bulls were overrated and did not scare them..wilt said he would drop 60 a game or more on that era's centers. I heard MJ say he would score 50 a game in this era..yet never did it in his era. Said he would get 100 on a team in this era..yet never did 70 in his era..with expansion teams
@mikenotnumberone1 This just speaks to era defense by those who played in it. Lots talk about what they would do in an era..IMO both MJ and wilt are out of their minds for saying that.
@Saminem1 Back in Wilts era..there was no DPOY..you do not think he or Russell do not win many of those? Or all defensive teams? Block shots? For a center..at over 300 lbs..wilt led the NBA in total Assists one year..to fathom that..that would be equal to MJ leading the NBA in rebounds one year..he was never in the top 10. MJ made the assists per game top 10 once..#10..wilt did it 2-3 times. This is just a look at what this guy did. Playoffs wins= team accolades.
@mikenotnumberone1 u obviously a stat guy. no one arguing w/you wilt put up unimaginable # across almost all categories. but u shouldnt directly compare players across generations. u can only compare them by their accomplishments in their own eras. shaq wouldve been another wilt in the 60s if not better. but the game's evolving. not to mention the deepening in talent pool.
I am not really a stat guy..those are just easy to remember for me. If I should not directly compare players across different eras than you are yourself defeating your own statements here and prove my point that there is no goat just for that reason. Now saying shaq in the 60's..I say What if wilt came up today with equal dominance? It would make a guy 7'4" and the strength and skill and speed of no one seen since. thats how you compare dominance of an era.
@mikenotnumberone1 i compared their accomplishments in their respective eras, and said IF i were to compare directly, shaq wouldve dominated the way wilt did
i didn't mass reply, i replied post to each of your post..u posted more each time
you totally ignored my argument because I got the number off by one, not enough to change the point i was making...what you resorted to was focusing on a slip rather than the msg, so yes thats petty
Shaq would have put up great numbers..but hey..shaq was also swept by the likes of Hakeem..whom I would not say is better than Kareem or wilt. And then by the likes of..ben wallce? OStertag?> let me guess..its a team game right..to the point of hakeem dancing all over him in the finals while dropping a three to end the pitiful sweep. I believe the talk was MJ head and shoulders over everyone else..and bro..no..NO WAY is that a true statement. Thats disrespctful to the legends.
@Saminem1 mutumbo put up some great numbers on shaq in the 2001 finals..best offense output of his career in the playoffs. What do you think wilt and jabbar would have done to shaq? Any all time great IMO can dominate in any era..but I see funny things used vs todays players like..that rule applies to all..except the wing players of today..which strangely some posting on here say they could not compete in MJ's era..while being bigger, stronger and more gifted.
@Saminem1 If you say the game is evolving..would you then say this eras comp at MJ's spot is better? Just asking..lets see how that talk relates to Jordan..if you say no..then your criteria changed..if you say yes, it dispels your notion of a goat and places it in the hands of each generations top players..this is very deep..but quite simple to dissect once you get the gist of it. This is why I say..No Goat.
@mikenotnumberone1 and bottom line, you a jordan hater. just look at your username...can't expect unbiased opinion from someone whos just here to say jordan isn't the best
it doesnt matter anymore, i'm not gona persuade you jordans the best, cus you can't be reasoned with
but get this, most of the experts, journalists, past players will agree that jordans the best there ever was when considering all aspects that makes a basketball player great
@Saminem1 my username was started a long time ago. I had to start a new profile and everyone knows me by this name. No..I do not hate jordan..just ignorant fans that ride their hero to the tune of nothing else matters. There are some jockers on here that have an entire page with hundreds of videos up on why MJ is the greatest...really now?? I do not see any other sports fan doing stuff like this. There are a few that kobe jock ride..but no other star fan= a jocker.
@RohoicRamz94 LMAO! I am not...hehehe..hey..he leads my fav team right now..but he is not my all time fav player..I would say Hakeem, Bird, magic are about a tie..and I dispised those Celtics during the 80's..It was tough living on the east coast back then being a Laker fan..my friends hated talking B ball with me. I grew to love Larry and the celtics by what they did. Just like I like MJ and those Bulls. When they broke up it ended the 80's type dynasty teams.
@RohoicRamz94 They sure did. They also had an unbelievable amount of trust and chemistry. I liked how they kept issues in house. Then cam the internet era and media explosion and that destroyed that. I remember teams celebrating a title in their locker rooms...now even on the losing teams site..they must stand out on stage and present themselves? I never liked that change. Sure if it is at home and they win..thats fine..but man..if its my home crowd and I lose?? Screw that! LOL
@Saminem1 first..not all or most agree..just what you are fed to believe say this. Second..most of the world believed it was flat..why? thats what they were fed to believe. Everyone's opinion is important. The masses are not always right. They are just the masses. Must I ramble off many topics to support this? This is the jocker bomb..."most agree" how false that is. Many old timers..on and not on the internet disagree big time! Thats what an illusion can do to you.
@Saminem1 and BTW..you are losing site of the original talks..Jordan being head and shoulders over every other player. I am not here to defend who is the goat. You are changing the subject to a goat topic. That was never the topic. clever..but it will not work on me. I am not here to disrespect Jordan..or will I go there again. That was me 4 yrs ago..I am a fan of the game..not the individual. You are turning this into lets bash. I am not.
@Saminem1 shaq and wilt are what..40-50 yrs apart..and wilt was as tall..and at a point weighed as much..as shaq..but was never fat! and had real skill..not just slamming players. In wilts era..you could not do that..imagine if wilt was allowed to do that..you think his records then were tight..man...Wilt's era was missing certain achievements that were recorded too. Imagine if they were recorded. But again..Wilt is not the goat.
@mikenotnumberone1 so playoffwins = team accolades. oh i'm so sorry all nba journalists and panels and past players emphasize on winning so much, they should pay more attention to individual accolades more when assessing GOAT
NO. they look at everything. i will come back to this time and time again. Jordan had the best career and accomplishments when looking at everything as a whole. even disregarding a stronger competition in the 90s.
@Saminem1 of course winning is important..but name an era where a team played that was as dominant as the celtics of the 60's? If you want to say what you are saying..lets examine team strength era built on superstars and the teams they played on. The 90's then come out as one of the most watered down eras in the history of the game. Many expansion teams. When you did not have this..you had showtime and Beantown along with philly and detroit tearing it up..even houston!
@mikenotnumberone1 what did we see that resembled that in the 90's? You had some 60 game winning season teams..but that was a direct result of: HS ballers playing..euros coming to america, expansionism..still great great players in the era..no doubt..but that set up left it with not the same level of playoff comp you saw a decade before..the results? no finals for the bulls..is MJ all to blame? hell no. but this shows you another angle to view.
@mikenotnumberone1 i understand what you are saying,but having a losing record vs a team does not prove anything. the lakers had a losing record vs the bulls in the 80s when jordan was on the floor. not even the most delusional fan would say they had a chance vs the lakers in the 80s(unless they met in the 89 finals of course).
LOOOOOL DESCRIPTION!!! A jordan analysis by a couple of NBA greats... and Kenny Smith!!! loooooool
kursdragon 3 days ago 2
who do you know in the nba scored 39 plus games scoring 50+ ? only Air jordan (: G.O.A.T.
yowsupceejay 1 week ago
LOL ESPEDEMON is just one of em haters out ther
resinmic 1 week ago
Jordan is VERY OVERRATED! He never won anything without Pippen.. The Bulls were a great team without him.. They won 55 games without Jordan when he retired , only 2 less then the season before. Took the Knicks 7 games to beat them in the eastern finals. JORDAN IS OVERRATED.. sorry Jordan homers
espdemon 1 week ago
@espdemon LOL your statement doesn't even deserve a response.
dlawson688 1 week ago 2
Jordan is head and shoulders better than Kobe. Kobe played Robin to Shaq's Batman for his first 3 titles. Not only that, Kobe's titles are controversial. 2001-02 WCF- RIGGED. 2009-10 Finals- Rigged. There is also speculation that the 2000-01 WCF vs. Portland was rigged as well. Kobe always had Stern backing him up so to even put him up there as one of the greatest is a joke. He's great, but not on Jordan's level
N0GU7SN0GL0RY 1 week ago
Damn, Barkley sounds like Bill Cartwright in this clip
HubieBrown2ndPerson 1 week ago
@TheNewzBreak. If you think the 90s were physical then you never watched the NBA during the 80s. Jordan started winning when Pippen joined the team.. Also when Magic, Bird and Isaiah Thomas were past their prime.
DevilzDandruff 2 weeks ago
@DevilzDandruff Best post yet by anyone on this page. And 100% true!
mikenotnumberone1 1 week ago
MJ...best player...ever!
fernand020055 2 weeks ago
@hus20 Jordan wasn't overhyped by the media??? Jordan was the most overhyped player in nba history! Magic, Larry and Kobe never got the calls Jordan got from the refs it's painfully obvious.. Btw.. Jordans playoff record without pippen 1 and 9!!! When jordan retired the Bulls still made it to te eastern conf fi als and it too the Knicks 7 games to knock them out. Jordan = overrated
DevilzDandruff 2 weeks ago
@DevilzDandruff
you're an idiot
N0GU7SN0GL0RY 1 week ago
@DevilzDandruff Yes you're right. Your opinion is worth so much more than those of the poeple in the video who have actually played the game at the highest level.
sidscorner1 1 week ago
Jordan got more phantom foul calls than any other player in nba history, it was laughable. He would get a whistle on a fade away jump shot when the defender wasn't even challenging it. Plus he never beat legends like Magic, Bird or Dr J in their prime.. He beat Patrick Ewing anf Karl Malone.. The Bulls also beat Magic when Magic got to the finals with a bunc of nobodies, and a hurt James Worthy.
DevilzDandruff 2 weeks ago
Jordan = overrated, played in a watered down league
DevilzDandruff 2 weeks ago
@DevilzDandruff I'm from Chicago and a Bulls fan, and watched alI their championships in the 90's, and I even think many people way overrate Jordan's greatness.
shutterbugblues 2 weeks ago
@DevilzDandruff Bird, Stockton, Malone, Johnson, Barkley, Olajuwan. Are you stupid?
yourfriendkelvin 2 weeks ago
@DevilzDandruff Watered down my ass, he played during a defensive era with many of the greatest players and still dominated and was the best defensive guard in the game...he did get a lot of phantom calls, like many other great offensive players, but more contact was allowed during his era so he still had to work hard for his points.
TheNewzbreak 2 weeks ago
@DevilzDandruff YOU'RE AN IDIOT BY SAYING THAT.
90s Era were way tougher than today's pussy ass era...
YOU MORON.
sunnyboy8644 2 weeks ago
players of other sports are called "jordan" of their sport when they dominating in their respected sport...enough said...jordan greatest ever
TRIBALRAGE2010 3 weeks ago
Here's a Ricky Rubio video that I uploaded where he talks about the current NBA rules, which relates to the era debate. /watch?v=Rp2QBmFmwAM
inlovewithi 3 weeks ago
jordan also retired in his prime for 3 years to go play baseball. he woulda easily got 2-4 more rings. the maniac coulda had 10 rings if he played straight. instead of retiring n coming back. if all u kobetards really believe that that rapist douchebag is better than jordan. u guys might as well say cristiano ronaldo is the best soccer player of all time as well.
hus20 3 weeks ago
@hus20 I admit that jordan was a fantastic player but kobe is just better than jordan and cristiano sucks ass
1314someone 3 weeks ago
@1314someone ur on some serious drugs if u think kobe is better than mj. just kill yourself if u truly believe that. n btw cristiano does not suck ass hes still an amazing player. its just that messi is way better. but i was just trying to make a point about how stupid u kobetards sound when u guys say kobe is better than mj.
hus20 3 weeks ago
@hus20 Yea I'm high and when you’re this hot, everybody’s a critic
but when you’re this high everybody’s a midget
I'm only going but who I watched play not by what critics say and people follow, if you never watched MJ Play you cant say shit. Kobe has way more records than MJ and to be honest theres no comparison cause Kobe has done for his Franchise then MJ, Everybody is mad cause Kobe is gonna break even more records like All time points leader.
1314someone 3 weeks ago
@1314someone dude ur obvi the epic definition of a kobetard. so this will be my last reply to u. but i do remember those championship runs that the bulls had from 1991 and on n even the second 3 peat. jordan was unstoppable plus mj never had a shaq. he never went 6-24 in a game 7 of the finals like kobe. p.s records don't mean anything cristiano ronaldo scored the most goals in soccer last year but like u said sucks ass. like u said u never watched jordan thus your opinion is null n void. later.
hus20 3 weeks ago
@hus20 and your MJ dick riders lol.
like all these people here commenting and whos talking about Shaq and whos talking about cr7? In the records still are getting broken by Kobe buddy even James and KD is coming after that ass. Lets not forget the real greats like Mikan, Russell, West
theres no greatest if anything theres always some better at least I admit someone will overcome Kobe not like all you guys we stuck in that ol school shit peckerface lol
1314someone 3 weeks ago
@1314someone typical kobetard i dont even know why i waste my breath wit u pimple faced children gnite go suck on yo mamas titty
hus20 3 weeks ago
@hus20 not all of us are like that bich
bballphenom1000 3 weeks ago
@bballphenom1000 sure ur not
hus20 3 weeks ago
@hus20 you don't have to breath to type dumbass and the only person that can have the say is Phil Jackson himself and he even said it even Scottie Pippen his own teammate said it Kobe Bryant is THE G.O.A.T. simple as that fucking somebody hasnt been wearing their Hanes LOL. Respond back cunt youre the pussy cause you use to getting beat up like it bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1314someone 3 weeks ago
@1314someone haha kobe is not even better than lebron u tool. Where is kobes "ability to catch fire" ya he played well against a bottom feeder team in the raptors where he scored 81 pts i will give him that but when hes in the playoffs???? He always shrinks in big moments, like last playoffs against the mavs, and in the 04 finals and in the 08 finals. He always gets bailed out by his team like in the 2010 finals game 7, 6-24 in a deciding game 7??? G.O.A.T. Are you kiddin me??? u deserve a slap.
hus20 3 weeks ago
@hus20 That what a usual MJ hanes wearing dick rider would say too
Its too repetitive we get it Kobe had a bad game at the wrong time
Even your daddy MJ said Kobe is better than Lebron than anybody in the game right But remember this Kobe has always played every game he can with injuries unlike MJ which was a BITCH he wouldn't play
Name another player that played with injuries that played well as Kobe too
So ima end with being Lebron in the 4th quarter and vanish not show up anymore aight cunt
1314someone 3 weeks ago
@1314someone who gives a shit about injuries god ur a moron. Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but you abuse the privilege. Jordan was also voted NBA League MVP six times. That's five more than Kobe, and speaks to Jordan's all around abilities and ability to lead and inspire his team. ko-me didnt even deserve that mvp cp3 shoulda got it. but thats another debate. Kobe lost in two Nba finals jordan never did. after mj won his titles he never lost a play off series. kobe got swept last year...
hus20 3 weeks ago
@1314someone n jordan had the flu n played n scored i think 38 pts in the nba finals where he could not even walk from the team bus to the locker room. so dont call mj a bitch. mj is the sole reason kobe is what he is today. kobe mimmicks everything jordan did. kobe is just a knock off version of jordan n thats reality. when kobe retires u think his status will be even 1 percent of what air jordans is? i highly doubt it. jordan is god in basketball shoes kobe is not even a snail in skates. gtfo.
hus20 3 weeks ago
@hus20 BLAH all hear you say is I ride Mj dicks and ITS GOOD lol
MVP Dont mean shit when you have all stars like right now back in his era it was only like 10 all star big whoopty doo now there like 60 all stars nobody wants MVP Awards anymore they want championships Kobe won his 1st at age 20 MJ won it at 30 wow thats a long time and Kobe made All-STARS as a bench player thats fucking impressive. Kobe has only missed playoffs twice in his whole career MJ mised it alot
1314someone 3 weeks ago
@1314someone kobe was also riding shaqs coat tails for the first 3 rings he got. kobe was amazing but shaq was that team. i know its hard for kobetards to admit that but its reality. even tony parker won it as a rookie. u just have to be in a right situation to win. doesnt make u a great player if u win it at 20. n kobe making it as an all star as a bench player was just a big promotion so they can hype him up as the next jordan. since that was one of mjs last all star games...
hus20 3 weeks ago
@1314someone
you forget that Kobe rode Shaq's dick in LA right? Most dominant big man of all time you idiot. Jordan played w/ Bill Wennington and Luc Longley. Who played with better guys? Kobe did obviously. And still the greatest team of all time are the 72-10 Bulls. Suck on that
N0GU7SN0GL0RY 1 week ago
@hus20 and not just Kobe its the Lakers buddy were known to make stars simple as that As long as the Lakers keep winning Championships I'm good theres not only one player You might wanna check your stats and shit cause last time I remember Mj has alot more series than Kobe and swept too.
Now how about you stop getting butt fucked by daddy and let this go hes already engaged homo.
Youre joke like MJ when he tried and thought he could make a comeback LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1314someone 3 weeks ago
@1314someone n your argument about mvp meaning nothing obvi u would say that cuz kobe only has one. but there is one thing that kobe will never get to is 6 rings n a defensive player of the year that mj has. so in conclusion kobe is a great player but never at mjs level even if he had shaq n phil jackson helping him along the way he still fell short. plus he will always be known as a mj copycat. no one forgets the original but copycats fade in peoples memory. peace im out kid have fun.
hus20 3 weeks ago
@1314someone Pal, seriously, you will have a long, long time to wait...
Kobe cheated his wife and had sex relationship with at least 105 different persons during the ten-year-long marriage; I wonder when is gonna be your turn to get your tender ass pounded by the infamous "black mamba??
I understand you want Kobe to be inside your body, but let's face the reality, ok? Do you really think you're sexy and lucky enough to be the no. 106 Kobe girl?
seraphlgabri 3 weeks ago
@1314someone yest kobe became the youngest player in nba history to score 28,000+ points, and he did it in vintage ko-ME style shooting, or should I say jacking 6-28 (1-8 3pt) for 16 points and finished with 6 turnovers. Even tho Bynum n Gasol were a combined 15-27 this ko-ME wouldnt give them the ball down low where they were dominating.This is why kobe will never be MJ, 16 years in the league and the dude still plays like a fucking rookie who just learned how to play basket ball. hes overrated
hus20 3 weeks ago
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tiger1649 1 month ago
Kobe Is The Greatest
elmagicomessi 1 month ago
@elmagicomessi my ass is better than kobe jordans level is higher than anyone else
MegaKKng 3 weeks ago
@MegaKKng
81 point in 1 game in 2000's era the best era of nba
elmagicomessi 3 weeks ago
@elmagicomessi ballhogger
MegaKKng 3 weeks ago
Lol NBA greats...and then there's Kenny
TheWUYAR 1 month ago
Danny he fucked you up in the 92 in Porland and 93 in Pheonix.
thatsit07 1 month ago
Kobe's better than jordan END IF STORY. Jordan changed the way the game was played but he wasn't the best. Compare his tape against kobe's. Look at who jordan was playing against.
Dwill211990 1 month ago
@Dwill211990 END IF STORY..thank you for your professional insight.
claudine69retoke 1 month ago
@Dwill211990 = pus faced insecure twat virgin kid......typical of today's dummy culture
Kobe the rapist has 2 losses in the NBA Finals automatically bars him of even being mentioned in the top 10 all-time, fuck face dickhead faggot....
now go get a 44 Magnum and blow your brainless head to hell
Jordan= GOAT....END OF STORY
the rapist will never win a ring again
JarodANV 1 month ago
@JarodANV kobe not in the top ten are u crazy, he has 5 rings, mvp, 11 time all-star, one of the most cluchest players ever, plus michael got swept by the celtics twice in the playoffs, also scorer than mj, kobe is as good as michael if not better
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miamisteele 1 month ago
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@Dwill211990 Lol.."END IF STORY".."Compare his tape..."...Are you a complete Moron? " Look at who Jordan was playing against"....WOW.....Yes,Let's look at who Jordan played against....How many players has Kobe played against in their prime that are considered among the best ever...Because That's ALL MJ ever played against and eventually beat..MAGIC JOHNSON,CHARLES BARKLEY,ISIAH THOMAS,KARL MALONE,JOHN STOCKTON,PATRICK EWING,CLYDE DREXLER,LARRY BIRD.Ever HEARD of ANY of these guys?!
miamisteele 1 month ago
@Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...Countless DEFENSIVE awards
miamisteele 1 month ago
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@Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...Countless DEFENSIVE awards
miamisteele 1 month ago
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@Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...Countless DEFENSIVE awards
miamisteele 1 month ago
@Dwill211990 @Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...
miamisteele 1 month ago
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@Dwill211990 @Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...
miamisteele 1 month ago
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@Dwill211990 @Dwill211990 ALL considered among the 50 best players EVER...and most of the ones I named DO NOT have rings as a direct result of MJ and the Bulls....I could go on and on with the naming too...But I don't have the time..Let's just wrap this up with a few facts...shall we...Highest points per game in NBA HISTORY..Michael Jordan...SIX Championship Rings..Michael Jordan..SIX Finals MVPS...Michael Jordan..5 season MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards..Michael Jordan...
miamisteele 1 month ago
@Dwill211990 Countless All-star/ ALL-NBA defensive awards...Michael Jordan....Michael was faster,stronger and had much bigger hands(not a big deal but it helps)...You want to talk about tapes...Michale had more flash than any player ever...Multiple slam dunk contests wins.....Kobe has already played more career games than NBA played and his nowhere near most of MJ's accomplishments.....
miamisteele 1 month ago
@Dwill211990 Oh..did I mention that MJ was a far better shooter than Kobe?!!..IF you take Kobe's BEST season shooting percentage...IT wouldn't even crack MJ's top 10 percentage seasons...I get that you're probably young and dumb..Most young people are these days...But go research some facts and come up with better points than "Compare his tape...." to argue something like this or you'll just end up coming across as STUPID..which you did btw...with great skill..lol
miamisteele 1 month ago
@miamisteele I cant honestly say that Jordan has a better shooting % cause he chose his shots very well. Im not saying that he can't shoot but I think that Kobe is still a better shooter cause he can make the 3's while Jordan is the better slasher.
TheJewillDecena 4 weeks ago
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@TheJewillDecena "I cant honestly say that Jordan has a better shooting %..." Ummmm..WHAT are YOU talking about? You don't have to say it...It's FACT...STATS don't like...If you and I take the same math taste...I get an 65 on it and you get a 85....there's no debating that you scored higher on that test right? Well,same thing with their shooting percentages....Jordans was just better to much better there....
miamisteele 3 weeks ago
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I guess the fact that when Jordan played you could literally mug the offensive player. Also, Jordan played in 2003, Kobes prime, and at the age of 40 averaged 20 points, 6 rebounds and 2 steals a game. Case closed.
ADirtDiggler 1 month ago
MAgic and Bird are both inferior to David Stern. when he goes home, he un- cloaks himself and is the emperor cackling "now..you just like your father..are mine!"
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 lmao!
netcap001 1 month ago
.providence phoenix. com / archive/features /99/01/21/MJ . html
copy and paste that into your browser close up the gaps, and read it
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
Greatest all around player= Magic Johnson, Most dominate player ever= Wilt...and Wilt's not far down on the "all around" list either.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker sorry...but larry bird was a better all around player than magic johnson
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 so you think Bird could have started at center vs. the 76er's that year and put up 42 with 15 boards? that's laughable. You think Bird could dribble down court at full speed under control. also laughable.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker ONE game,compared to countless great bird performances. that spoke volumes of your knowledge of basketball,using a single game. larry was a better shooter from anywhere on the floor. larry was also a better defender and rebounder. and they are comparable in terms of passing,although johnson was better.
larry has averaged close to a triple double in the finals. could johnson?
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 could Bird have done it for even one game? Bird was great but he didn't have the athleticism of Magic. Magic wasn't the greatest athlete ever, but no one before or since had his combination of size, skill, and athletic ability. If you've ever played ball at a level higher than driveway pick-up, you'd know that the single hardest thing to do, to master, is the ability to dribble down court at full speed, with your head up, under control, and see the whole court.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@netcap001 And you are either a moron or less than 20 years old if you think that one game is the only great game Magic had to compare to Birds. When Wilt the Stilt was still alive, he was asked who would he pick to build a team around, he said MagicAs far as rebounding goes, of course Bird got more he played forward. If he didn't get more he sucked. How many triple doubles did bird get? Less than half as many as Magic. Magic was the greatest all around player ever. period.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker johnson was a point guard,triple doubles are irrelevant. you made an excuse for rebounds because larry played forward. if johnson got more triple doubles,thats because he played PG. you can't have it both ways.
larry got a lot of BIG triple doubles. for instance,if larry had a game like this: 40/9/9, it would be better than a 12/10/10 performance by johnson, although it would not be a triple double. your comment about johnson being the best all aroundis bullshit.
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 triple doubles aren't irrelevant you moron. He had to get double figures in rebounds as a point guard and bird would have to get double figures in assists as a forward. You don't know jackshit about basketball. you're probably an athletically challenged dork who thinks Bird shows the world you shouldn't always be picked last in pick-up games in your driveway.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker it is way easier for a PG to get 10 assists than it is for a small forward to get 10 rebounds. why?for a mental midget johnson worshipper like yourself-johnson's job was to assist. larry's job was to score.
you must be stupid to think larry and johnsons triple doubles were the same.
for instance=larry got 35/8/10. and johnson got 18/12/13. larry's triple double is more impressive. some common sense for you,since you are lacking. that is a real example btw.
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 wow, you have almost zero understanding and can't follow an argument at all. and answer the question, do you think Bird could play center for even one game and get those numbers? here's where we find out just how much of a moron you are.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker yeah,i guess i should base everything on a single game like you do lmao. could johnson score 60?could johnson come close to a quadruple double(one steal shy) like bird?ONE game doesnt prove anything. i already explain that,but you are too much of a homer to understand.
some insight-here are a few things johnson could do that larry couldnt: throw up an airball to choke away a playoff series and choke in the nba finals,missing two free throws in the clutch.
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 *explained that
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 Could Bird play point guard at a high level? hell or even at all? could he play center at a starters level? Do you think he was the best small forward ever? some do, some don't. all most everyone thinks Magic was the best point guard ever. If he was so obviously better than why doesn't he dominate polls as to best small forward ever the way Magic dominates them at point guard? but i'm getting off topic. I don't mean to belittle Bird, he was great and I put him above Jordan.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker fail. larry is way above anybody who has played small forward. many people come close to johnson. you cannot even comprehend that your single-game criteria backfires when you are comparing johnson to larry. i brought up the games to support my point that larry's triple doubles were a bit better.
actually,johnson should probably be 3rd when you are debating LB vs magic vs MJ. larry was twice the scorer,better defender,rebounder,shooter and vice versa.
netcap001 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker if you want to go by popular opinion,many people would pick a prime larry over a prime johnson. you fail once again.
larry was much better at forward than johnson ever could be. i dont see johnson battling the enforcers for rebounds the way larry did. he did show some flashes of brilliance sometimes,but could not do that on a regular basis. why don't you try to come up with some facts instead?
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 hey jackass, your family doesn't count as "many people" and you keep going on and on abou my "one game example" when i showed you that Magic had more than twice as many triple doubles OVER HIS CAREER. Being a better all around player doesn't mean you could do every single thing better but taken all together. If anyone has a man crush it would be you with Larry , if only you were a man. Some things there are no stats for, like the ability to dribble.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker you are really stupid:it isn't a that big of a deal for a lead guard to have more triple doubles. jason kidd gets a lot of triple doubles..who cares?
also consider that johnson triple doubles were WORSE:if larry gets 34-9-10 and johnson gets 21-10-11,you cant make a case that johnson's performance was better. if larry gets 49-8-8 and johnson gets 21-10-12,you cant argue that johnson played better. but larry's performances were not TD's. these are real scenarios btw
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 sorry dunce, but I'm right and you're wrong. And if you think Bird was a decent defender you're more of a kook than I thought.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@netcap001 to continue, dribble at full speed, under control, with your head up and seeing the whole court. the single hardest thing to do in basketball. not that Magic was or is the only guy who can do it but he's the biggest guy ever who could do it. most guys go 3/4 speed at most, and I've seen Bird dribble it off his foot trying to do it, not a knock against him but another example of where Magic is better. some things Bird was better at, but we're talking all around player.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker bird is better at most aspects of the game retard. scoring is an aspect of the game,larry was twice the scorer. defense is an aspect,larry is better. i can also make the case that he had far greater impact on his teams. you can't make that case for johnson.
you are right,there are some things there are no stats for. like larry taking twice the physical punishment,or battling a lot of great big men,opposed to johnson not even being the go to guy on his team.
netcap001 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker you are dumb enough to equate flashiness with effectiveness. oh btw;one example of johnson being better is his choking away two playoff series and missing free throws in the clutch :)
fact is that larry was always the leader of his teams. johnson wasnt. i know this is too much for you grasp,but whatever. take your schoolboy attacks and shove them up your ass,where they belong.
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 you bitch about me bringing up one game then you throw out a one game example for Bird. Listen little boy, I like Bird and I like Magic, you on the other hand have an insane hatred of Magic and an unrealistic view of Bird. You're obviously a Celtics fan, they are stupid about any other team or player than there own, and not too realistic about their own either. Or you're an uncoordinated stooge that looks on an under athletic Bird as your dream of what you could be.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker i dont have hatred for johnson. you are dead wrong at that. you are saying johnson was a better all around player and backing it up with no more than a single game and your man crush on him. im not a celtics fan,never have been. i just put things into perspective-larry was a better all around player,you cant get around this.
netcap001 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker everything i said made sense. you just can't get past your idolatry. actually,you are the one who has "zero understanding". you proved that by basing your "johnson is the best all around player" claim on one game. dummy.
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 you still won't answer my question about whether you think Bird could play one championship game at center and put up Magic's numbers. I'm not debating about who could shoot from outside better or rebound better or pass better. I'm saying that Magic could play every position, and he did more than once, at a level that would make a starter on most teams and at an all star level for more than one position.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker you think johnson played the entire game at center?you are really stupid.
i could post some evidence to compare larry and johnson's effectiveness/impact on their teams. some insight:larry was always the main scorer on his team,while johnson was not. johnson wasnt even the best player on his own team till 1987. keep that in mind.
i'll go to state that you like men;specifically, johnson. nothing else explains your fanaticism.
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 ya know what net? we'll never agree on this but I know we both agree that they were two of the best ever and we'd both probably would put them above Jordan as the real heros and saviours of the NBA. If they had called the game for Jordan the way they always called games for the superstars instead of the even more preferential treatment he got, no one would be calling him the greatest ever.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker not to touch,but both johnson and larry have gotten preferential treatment-chiefly johnson,because he was a laker. saying that someone got preferential treatment is subjective. however,there are some facts: if you factor in his shot attempts,johnson got to the line at a higher rate than jordan. jordan averaged more personal fouls than in fact,the lakers as a team have benefitted a lot from officials..
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 *jordan averaged more personal fouls than johnson and larry
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 of course they both did, it has always been so. they've always said the game is called one way for the avg player and another for the superstars. But Jordan got above and beyond. But to say Johnson got more favorable calls than Bird shows you weren't around then or are a Celtics fan or a Laker hater. The more fouls not called the better the Celtics liked it. Close called games meaning every foul is called favor the more skilled athletic teams. celtics were original badboys
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker i wouldnt expect an apologist like yourself to admit it. you are posting crazy fanatical shit,and applying a double standard. the lakers have benefitted from that treatment more than any other team. you can also add some modern games in there: 2002 wcf,2010 finals. johnson got more calls his way than jordan did in the 1991 nba finals. fuck you and your johnson worship.
thank you for proving my point. i told you not to act like that never happened in the 80s.
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 climb down off that ledge...just kidding.. go ahead and jump. life's not worth living because i'm right and you're wrong.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker talking out of johnson's ass again are we?
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 speak up, Larry's hemorrhoids are muffling your blather.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker Lmao its called ownership.
RohoicRamz94 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker for instance,the play where jabbar got a phantom call in the deciding moments of game 6/1988 nba finals. or game 4 in the 87 nba finals,the officials made a a blatant retarded decision and gave the ball to the lakers in the crucial moments of the game(the play before johnson hit the hook)....
i understand that jordan got calls,but stop acting like that never happened in the 80s,its really disturbing..
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 holy shat, you wanna start naming bad calls you'll lose big time if you think more went the lakers way than boston's. you're a witless ignorant dolt when it comes to basketball. go home and send the grownup in your family. ..........I'll beat him like a drum too.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker "holy shat", post some fucking facts.. do you know what a fact is?you seem to know what an excuse,or childish attack is. maybe if you could name a bad call that benefitted a team like i did,you would have some credibility. but since you cant do that,stfu.
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 how many triple doubles over his career did Bird get? less than half of what Magic put up. Listen, I hate that you're making compare Bird unfavorably to anyone. I loved to watched him and think he's one of the best ever. He's just not as complete a player as Magic. Now come back at me with that myth that Magic couldn't play defense.
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker larry was decent on defense. sorry mr.apologist; johnson wasnt a good defender. for instance,when the lakers played the suns in 1990, he got lit up big time by KJ. then they put him on hornacek,and hornacek looked like michael jordan with johnson defending him. at least larry was decent on defense.
more importantly,larry never choked away a finals series. i didnt say that was his only great game,i just pointed out that its moronic to base your claim on one game.
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 " as long as Larry Bird is around I will only be the second worst defensive player in the nba..." ....Charles Barkley
MrJunktrunker 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker "jordan is the greatest of all time"-magic johnson...ouch
netcap001 1 month ago
@MrJunktrunker oh and when you have a roster that is more talented from top to bottom,it's easier to assist:keep that in mind. you really aren't very bright. johnson was a point guard,and he didnt have a complete offensive game like larry.
its just that you are an incredible johnson worshipper posting crazy fanatical shit. and since you are so concerned about single games:larry had a game where he was one steal shy of a quadruple double. did johnson ever come close?
netcap001 1 month ago
@netcap001 That must be why he got less than half as many triple doubles than Magic and why he was never asked to play guard or center. sorry, you're wrong and I'm right.
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tiger1649 1 month ago
i didnt know that dikembe was doing the dubbing for charles barkley.
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tiger1649 1 month ago
Magic "HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE" Did he get paid to say that? Head and shoulders over Kareem and wilt? Over Oscar? Over russell? This is why Magic should play ball but keep quiet..no disrespect..MJ is tops for a SG and one of the best ever..but head and shoulders over all else? did it on both ends? What was Kareem adn Wilt doing? Facing the best at their spot..without an all nba guy at his same position helping him out? What a moronic thing of magic to say. disrespectful
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 i have to agree with that one.
netcap001 1 month ago
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@netcap001 thanks. Magic is awesome and so is Jordan. But man what magic says sometimes. 1993 finals...first it is Barkley time and he is meant to win..then its Michael Jordan time. And magic's coaching record
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mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 he is head and shoulders above everyone else, that is the truth. like they were saying, mj had the total package. russell was legendary, but his offense was just above average. wilt was a beast, but never won until joining lakers. oscar avg triple double, but never won until kareem. kareem had legends surrounding him most of his career and won 5. jordan won 6, and was the best offensive and defensive player. won 2 3peat. if not for retirement, couldve won 8 in a row. yes GOAT
Saminem1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 no..not goat. There is no goat and he was not head and shoulders above the rest. I will not get into all of that here but rest assured, this is disrespectful. Wilt did things record wise no one has come close to matching. Many stats were not kept in his era dn he did not have a sidekick at his same position to help him win playoff series. MJ had two HOF players on his 2nd 3 peat..please...KAreem faced titanic battles at center..mj did not at SG. he came back and lost in 1995.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 "Many stats were not kept in his era dn he did not have a sidekick at his same position to help him win playoff series. MJ had two HOF players on his 2nd 3 peat..please."...
They kept ring counts and Wilts dont measure up.
Jordan had 2 hall of famers in his second three pete...You know he 3peated with 1 hall of famer too right?Still reaching kick rocks cherry picker.
RohoicRamz94 1 month ago
@RohoicRamz94 If you go by this measure than Jordan does not matchup being humiliated ever year in the toughest of eras in recent memory..is that fair? Wilt actually beat russell one year in Philly..those teams were stacked..I did not see MJ winning one game vs the celts. That is not fair to say..but going by theis method..see how that looks? I know he three peated..but that second 3 peat was just as many as the first three peat right? In an old and battered late 90's league ear.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 He came back in 95 and lost...yes but he came back in 96 and won.Matter of fact he won 3 more times.
RohoicRamz94 1 month ago
@RohoicRamz94 But he lost in 1995 as I mentioned.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 Jordan is an amazing and unreal one in a lifetime player..no doubt..but to say any one player in a team sport is some sort of goat is absurd. MJ had a career losing record vs the rockets..especially in the early 90's and he himself said he was glad he never faced them..take a guess who swept the team that took out MJ in 1995? Houston. Second..Bird's record vs MJ..so going just off a record like that is insane. Half of the late 90's bulls said "we do not win 70 in the 80's"
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 Fuck a losing regular season record vs the Rockets..You bitches are still reaching!Sam Perkins owns Dream fuck him.
RohoicRamz94 1 month ago
@RohoicRamz94 how does Sam Perkins own Hakeem? Have you seen his statistics vs hakeem? Especially in 1987 and 1993? It was the most lopsided affair I remember. I was pointing this out as some were only using a record or stats to show something. obviously shaqpop did not like this so he called in reinforcements to try to to the job he can never do. Prove something.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 my mistake with wilt. sorry. but your argument still is invalid. mj had losing record to rockets, so hes not GOAT? yet you praise wilt, what's his record to the celtics? GOAT is looking at the ENTIRE picture. wilt record wise dominated everyone, yet mj had higher career avg in both regular season and playoffs. thats a feat in itself. GOAT looks at the whole package: stats, offense, defense, titles, scoring titles, mvps, finals mvp, influence. mj had the best entire package
Saminem1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 If you are wrong..and admitting it..wouldn't that make my argument correct and your continued ppoints using the same methods wrong?
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 what the heck? so wilt won 2 championships instead of 1 makes ur argument correct? i admit i made a mistake of wilt not winning until joining lakers makes my entire argument wrong?
you sounded pretty intelligent first, not anymore
look it, wilt winning 2 still doesn't make him the overall package jordan was.
Saminem1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 so you gave false info and were corrected..yes it makes a difference..also it does because you implied he did not win without someone..as I posted about Jordan. You are now resorting to insulting because you got called out on more mistakes than Lebron travels yearly..Look it..Wilt established records no all time great will touch..but I am not calling him the goat. Wilt as an all around player dominated like Jordan dreams of..but I am not calling him the goat..
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 I do look at the entire picture and told you this in my explanation. The only criteria you run back to is titles..rings..if you look at both ends of the floor..wilt has it all. But again..I am not putting him as goat either. Look at the numbers he amassed with a lesser team all those years. Look at Kareems rings and titles..you were wrong about Kareem too. He has six rings and 6 MVP's..This is getting fun :)
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 yup, he did, and so he's better than jordan overall?
i dont run back to one criteria. i named at least 8 or 9
some players excelled in some of those criterion...michael excelled in ALLL.
it seems like you are an older timer who doesn't want to admit that the new generation has surpassed the old
if past nba legends like larry and magic can agree in unison that mj is the best ever, i think that speaks more volume than you arguing otherwise here
Saminem1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 I did not name one criteria either..I am showing you that no matter what criteria you use..Jordan is not the goat..or is any one player. It seems like you are a youngster than gives bad references..states mistakes as the gospel..I pointed out several inaccurate posts of yours and now instead of seeing the light..you are trying to volume post to save face..its not going to work..I am no older than any one else posting here..why is that relevant?
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
...Bird never said Jordan was the greatest...in fact..the year after he joked Michael played disguised as god (then swept him..more comical) he called Magic the best there is. Do you not see this? Is magic the goat? Not IMO he is not. You are too cuaght up in loving your hero..I love the game and all the greats..that is the difference. I will not crack on Jordan here or cut him down..but if you try to angle all this nonsense at me and start in with non related BB cracks..I might
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 this is the last bit of our debate, i grow tired of arguing with someone who can't see the entire picture and move on. i also grow tired of someone not debating the msg by resort to pointing out mistakes that doesn't change the underlying msg
i respect all greats...but im not blind to see some stars shine brighter than others...and dont make internet threats, its weak.
peace out old timer. best of luck trying to tell the rest of the sane basketball world jordan isn't the best
Saminem1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 I did see the entire picture. What did I miss? Not agreeing with you? Is that the part I am missing? well its not going to happen. I will never agree with you or will you make me. I can be polite too. And I am. No insults here. Just keeping it real. There is no goat and no way Jordan is head and shoulders above all the games greats. Some do shine brighter..but some also were on cable and national TV..others were not. Is that fair? What praise would a guy get avg 50 today?
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 can you imagine what a guy avg 50ppg and 27 rpg one season would get? GOAT talk. Winning titles or not. blocking over 10 a game like what many recollected on wilt before they kept that stat. OScar avg a triple double for a season..and not JAson kidd puny triple doubles..grown man ones..30 a game..10 rpg and 11 apg. 3 stl per game etc. KAreem with 6 mvp's...all time leading scorer..def teams..6 titles..how is MJ head and shoulders above that?? LOL!
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 Based on your logic Jordan played vs better comp than Wilt.
RohoicRamz94 1 month ago
@RohoicRamz94 if you say better comp as far as volume players..yes I would agree. Absolutely. The 80's and early 90's were loaded. I agree here completely. I think in the playoffs though..the comp was tough as their were few rounds but the same dynasty boston team He had to face. At their respective position..I would say Wilt faced tougher comp
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 If you want to call him goat..that is your choice..I will not rip on it..but again..to sit there and say.."Head and Shoulders" above everyone else? Thats just moronic..magic is a fool for saying that. Is he the MJ paid spokesperson for this ad? Bird and some others took pride in not reducing themselves to talking like that. Thats a suck up..and I dispise that behavior.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 Where did I make a threat? And I have had many discussions with hundreds..thousands of basketball fans..and guess what..many shared my opinion or had another choice for GOAT. do not be mad that I will not go along with your cult like behavior.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 "and dont make internet threats, its weak"--------I am waiting for you to show me where I made internet threats?
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
Pete rose gambled..then lied...so is he the gospel on baseball greats? Oscar thought he was the greatest..in a taped recording at the NBA at 50..1997 weekend of the stars..Russell and wilt said the bulls were overrated and did not scare them..wilt said he would drop 60 a game or more on that era's centers. I heard MJ say he would score 50 a game in this era..yet never did it in his era. Said he would get 100 on a team in this era..yet never did 70 in his era..with expansion teams
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 This just speaks to era defense by those who played in it. Lots talk about what they would do in an era..IMO both MJ and wilt are out of their minds for saying that.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 Back in Wilts era..there was no DPOY..you do not think he or Russell do not win many of those? Or all defensive teams? Block shots? For a center..at over 300 lbs..wilt led the NBA in total Assists one year..to fathom that..that would be equal to MJ leading the NBA in rebounds one year..he was never in the top 10. MJ made the assists per game top 10 once..#10..wilt did it 2-3 times. This is just a look at what this guy did. Playoffs wins= team accolades.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 u obviously a stat guy. no one arguing w/you wilt put up unimaginable # across almost all categories. but u shouldnt directly compare players across generations. u can only compare them by their accomplishments in their own eras. shaq wouldve been another wilt in the 60s if not better. but the game's evolving. not to mention the deepening in talent pool.
Saminem1 1 month ago
I am not really a stat guy..those are just easy to remember for me. If I should not directly compare players across different eras than you are yourself defeating your own statements here and prove my point that there is no goat just for that reason. Now saying shaq in the 60's..I say What if wilt came up today with equal dominance? It would make a guy 7'4" and the strength and skill and speed of no one seen since. thats how you compare dominance of an era.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 i compared their accomplishments in their respective eras, and said IF i were to compare directly, shaq wouldve dominated the way wilt did
i didn't mass reply, i replied post to each of your post..u posted more each time
you totally ignored my argument because I got the number off by one, not enough to change the point i was making...what you resorted to was focusing on a slip rather than the msg, so yes thats petty
Saminem1 1 month ago
Shaq would have put up great numbers..but hey..shaq was also swept by the likes of Hakeem..whom I would not say is better than Kareem or wilt. And then by the likes of..ben wallce? OStertag?> let me guess..its a team game right..to the point of hakeem dancing all over him in the finals while dropping a three to end the pitiful sweep. I believe the talk was MJ head and shoulders over everyone else..and bro..no..NO WAY is that a true statement. Thats disrespctful to the legends.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 mutumbo put up some great numbers on shaq in the 2001 finals..best offense output of his career in the playoffs. What do you think wilt and jabbar would have done to shaq? Any all time great IMO can dominate in any era..but I see funny things used vs todays players like..that rule applies to all..except the wing players of today..which strangely some posting on here say they could not compete in MJ's era..while being bigger, stronger and more gifted.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 If you say the game is evolving..would you then say this eras comp at MJ's spot is better? Just asking..lets see how that talk relates to Jordan..if you say no..then your criteria changed..if you say yes, it dispels your notion of a goat and places it in the hands of each generations top players..this is very deep..but quite simple to dissect once you get the gist of it. This is why I say..No Goat.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 and bottom line, you a jordan hater. just look at your username...can't expect unbiased opinion from someone whos just here to say jordan isn't the best
it doesnt matter anymore, i'm not gona persuade you jordans the best, cus you can't be reasoned with
but get this, most of the experts, journalists, past players will agree that jordans the best there ever was when considering all aspects that makes a basketball player great
Saminem1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 my username was started a long time ago. I had to start a new profile and everyone knows me by this name. No..I do not hate jordan..just ignorant fans that ride their hero to the tune of nothing else matters. There are some jockers on here that have an entire page with hundreds of videos up on why MJ is the greatest...really now?? I do not see any other sports fan doing stuff like this. There are a few that kobe jock ride..but no other star fan= a jocker.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 You said "There are a few that kobe jock ride'....mikenot guess what "YOUR ONE OF THEM" lmao!
RohoicRamz94 1 month ago
@RohoicRamz94 LMAO! I am not...hehehe..hey..he leads my fav team right now..but he is not my all time fav player..I would say Hakeem, Bird, magic are about a tie..and I dispised those Celtics during the 80's..It was tough living on the east coast back then being a Laker fan..my friends hated talking B ball with me. I grew to love Larry and the celtics by what they did. Just like I like MJ and those Bulls. When they broke up it ended the 80's type dynasty teams.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 80s dynasty teams had more sucsess because of team depth.
RohoicRamz94 1 month ago
@RohoicRamz94 They sure did. They also had an unbelievable amount of trust and chemistry. I liked how they kept issues in house. Then cam the internet era and media explosion and that destroyed that. I remember teams celebrating a title in their locker rooms...now even on the losing teams site..they must stand out on stage and present themselves? I never liked that change. Sure if it is at home and they win..thats fine..but man..if its my home crowd and I lose?? Screw that! LOL
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 first..not all or most agree..just what you are fed to believe say this. Second..most of the world believed it was flat..why? thats what they were fed to believe. Everyone's opinion is important. The masses are not always right. They are just the masses. Must I ramble off many topics to support this? This is the jocker bomb..."most agree" how false that is. Many old timers..on and not on the internet disagree big time! Thats what an illusion can do to you.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 and BTW..you are losing site of the original talks..Jordan being head and shoulders over every other player. I am not here to defend who is the goat. You are changing the subject to a goat topic. That was never the topic. clever..but it will not work on me. I am not here to disrespect Jordan..or will I go there again. That was me 4 yrs ago..I am a fan of the game..not the individual. You are turning this into lets bash. I am not.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 shaq and wilt are what..40-50 yrs apart..and wilt was as tall..and at a point weighed as much..as shaq..but was never fat! and had real skill..not just slamming players. In wilts era..you could not do that..imagine if wilt was allowed to do that..you think his records then were tight..man...Wilt's era was missing certain achievements that were recorded too. Imagine if they were recorded. But again..Wilt is not the goat.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 so playoffwins = team accolades. oh i'm so sorry all nba journalists and panels and past players emphasize on winning so much, they should pay more attention to individual accolades more when assessing GOAT
NO. they look at everything. i will come back to this time and time again. Jordan had the best career and accomplishments when looking at everything as a whole. even disregarding a stronger competition in the 90s.
Saminem1 1 month ago
@Saminem1 of course winning is important..but name an era where a team played that was as dominant as the celtics of the 60's? If you want to say what you are saying..lets examine team strength era built on superstars and the teams they played on. The 90's then come out as one of the most watered down eras in the history of the game. Many expansion teams. When you did not have this..you had showtime and Beantown along with philly and detroit tearing it up..even houston!
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 what did we see that resembled that in the 90's? You had some 60 game winning season teams..but that was a direct result of: HS ballers playing..euros coming to america, expansionism..still great great players in the era..no doubt..but that set up left it with not the same level of playoff comp you saw a decade before..the results? no finals for the bulls..is MJ all to blame? hell no. but this shows you another angle to view.
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1 i understand what you are saying,but having a losing record vs a team does not prove anything. the lakers had a losing record vs the bulls in the 80s when jordan was on the floor. not even the most delusional fan would say they had a chance vs the lakers in the 80s(unless they met in the 89 finals of course).
netcap001 1 month ago