Search "bilderberg group" or "bohemina grove". These people have control over most of the nations of the world. And they all have one goal. A one world government dictatorship.
Look at the schools all the Presidents have gone, its all Yale, or couple others. Almost all the US presidents have gone to about 3 or 4 different schools. All of those schools have secret societies such as Skull and Bones, which both George Bush and John Kerry were part of.
People need to look into history of all the US presidents in the last 100 years. All of them have been part of the conspiracy except JFK. And that is most likely why he was assinated.
The arguments that go on between the Republican and Democrat parities are all staged. Its just to try and keep the people thinking that they actually are different parties, and actually are arguing. When really, they are all working together behind the scenes to form a one world government. Literally working together. I don't just mean they are the same, they actually have meetings, all the global elite, and public officials. They plan on forming a new world order.
yep its all divide and conquer. YOu have the public going at each others throat with a bunch of anti "liberal" or anti "conserviative" nonsense. BUt the national "debate" is an ILLUSION. THe Democrats and republicans can always come together for war, imperilaism, big companies and Wallstreet. Hence the Iraq war and wall street bailout, both of which are terrible for the PEOPLE. After they come together in the name of their corporate masters they call it "bi-partisanship". BI-partisan crooks
Right on. Pelosi and Bush yell at each other which gets americans yelling at each other. But all the yelling has nothing to do with disagreements on policy. Its not just a sham or corruption. It is a form of OPPRESSION!
I am not necessarily a Nader supporter, but I so very much agree with him on this. I am so very sick and tired of this two party system -- two massive, wealthy organizations that shut out any and all attempts by a third party to have a say. I am so tired of the politicking and the silly attacks that Democrats and Republicans sling at each other. Pigs and lipstick. Who cares? Let's talk about ISSUES!
In Canada, this month, the main parties tried to exclude the Green Party candidate from the debates. The people and media were outraged, so they pressured the organizers and the main parties, and got her in the debates. The Broadcast consortium has reversed their decision and allowed Elizabeth May to take part in the nationally televised leaders debates . The US people and media should follow this REAL DEMOCRATIC example. See greenparty(dot)ca/en/releases/09.08.2008b
Can you imagine Ralph Nader as president with Ron Paul as vice-president? These two guys would kick corporate asses in a way that would shock the rest of the world...
I'm a proud financial backer of Ralph Nader. This race is not only about 2008, it's about building a less corporate-controlled America for future generations.
It feels so much better to vote for the right candidate than the lesser of two evils. It's not such a big deal if Nader doesn't win this time. The important thing is to keep gradually boosting his popularity and widening his support group over the years. Eventually, the Republican/Democrats will be dealt a humiliating blow.
Please people vote for Nader. Our lives really depend on us stopping the criminals where they stand. We will have major wars unless we elect a president who doesnt want us to continue these aggressive moves around the world
(Ron Paul & Ralph Nader) And what you say about his company Is what you say about society. Catch the mist, catch the myth Catch the mystery, catch the drift. (McKinney Gravel Kucinich Ventura Perot) A modern-day warrior Mean mean stride, Todays tom sawyer Mean mean pride. [msm lip gloss]
A two party system where the two main Candidates are bought & paid for by millions from corporations (& those corporate puppet masters demand basically the SAME policies from BOTH candidates) is in reality a ONE PARTY SYSTEM!
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists & WILL PERSIST!"
If you listen to NPR and you want to help promote the third parties' message, ask NPR to provide more coverage for third party candidates because apparently they think they are providing enough coverage to them. See: npr(dot)org/ombudsman/2008/07/covering_thirdparty_candidates.html
AllySmells001 WHEN ROSS PEROT RAN THE RULES WERE NOT AS HARD AS THEY ARE NOW IT WAS BECAUSE HE DONE SO WELL IS WHY THEY HAVE MADE IT HARDER FOR OTHER CANDIDATES TO GET IN THE DEBATES I THINK HE PULLED ABOUT 19,000,000. VOTES IF NADER COULD GET IN I THINK HE WOULD PULL MORE THAN THAT GO NADER
I don't think its quite that simple. Perot, they said above, qualified for the debates. Nader doesn't yet (nor any other third party candidate). But yes, Nader would sway many his way if he took the stage. He should have ran in the democratic primary(even if he is Green). I think ANY third party would ammass more following if they took stage in the debates. The rules might be constricted because they want to assure the candidate is electable (has large enough following) verses merely a spoiler.
Ralph Nader is not a quiter, He has not given up on America. He has brought out more to stand up against these 2 parties. This man wants to bring your children home from places we don't need to be. Stop these suit thugs from stealing your hard earned money, pumping your kids full of drugs. The only one who was like JFK was John Jr. Obama is not going to WALK ON WATER, and McCain needs to get off his pity party about being a POW thank God you walked out. Many did not. I feel a movement here.
I personally think the two party system works. Extra parties, tend to take away from one side or the other. Nader in my view, should have ran in the Democratic primary (no, I'm not saying he's a Democrat, but his ideas are liberal) even though he disagrees with much of their ideas, as Ron Paul disagreed with much of his party's ideas. Yes, third parties have proved favorable in moments of history, but um, has anyone seen Obama? The Change theme? I'm looking forward to Obama and Nader's debate.
AllySmells001 I'll say it again! A two party system where the two main Candidates are bought & paid for by millions from corporations (& those corporate puppet masters demand basically the SAME policies from BOTH candidates) is in reality a ONE PARTY SYSTEM!
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists & WILL PERSIST!"
(p.1) I think we agree on more than you realize. I agree we need campaign reform.
Obama does too. Obama said of his decision to opt out of public financing, "public financing of presidential elections as it exists today is broken, and we face opponents who've become masters at gaming this broken system." If elected, I believe Obama will make it a priority, as ELECTIONS are a PRIORITY, to repair this defunct campaign system of ours.
(p.2)EFFECTIVE education reform is a crucial part of a functioning represenative democracy, and is therefore part of campaign reform also, as an unelightened people tend toward appealing to emotion to decipher a candidates mert, rather than SUBSTANCE. "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." - Karl Rove (third parties not being considered in quote)
& why would I care what THAT right wing neo-con 'crazy' thinks?? "too much education"?? If that isn't just typical of these fascist types... then what is?
Rove is one of the prime suspects... come the 911 trials!
I was making a point. There is correlation with an educated masses and not being ruled by emotion, that therefore, tend to vote Republican (excluding the wealthy business owners who vote Republican because it benefits them). Rove may be a bad guy, but he is brilliantly calculated--he knows this. If an educated masses favored the Republicans, then don't you think Bush, with Rove's advice, would have pressed effective edu. reform harder?
Can someone tell me, who knows the history, how Nader is doing comapred to Ross Perot in 1992? What made Ross Perot prestigious enough to participate in the debates (besides his checkbook).
wronge , we the people we fed up with Bush and clinton, Perot got 20% of the USA vote After an amazing 70% plus till as explained above/below? Peolple even redresses the Hollywood sign to reed Perotwood, it was awsome, my dad saaid to me, "you want to get Perot elected ? come on, and he took me to some black bars in the getto and we were having so much fun drinking and talking to black people, total strangers about perot in the ghetto, he he , people were on the streets kinda like jesse ventura
I'm not suggesting he wasn't popular with the people. I'm just trying to figure out why the comission of Presidential debates allowed him on to a national audience, yet threatned to arrest Nader in 2000 if he even entered the building. The only way a third party can win is if they are in the debates to reach millions and millions of people confronting the 2 parties.
there shouldnt be a percentage bar to let people into the debates. if youre on enough state ballots to win the election then you are a legit contender and should be part of the debate.
"there shouldnt be a percentage bar to let people into the debates. if youre on enough state ballots to win the election then you are a legit contender and should be part of the debate." BUT if those are not the preset conditions, then you can't just change the rules in the middle of the game! Even if you like Nader. Hillary, likewise, didn't have a right to say Florida and Michigan suddenly counted when there were preset conditions. Follow the agreed on rules!
If you look on polls online on websites that people actually went on and posted who they want, the top 3 candidates were (in this order)- Nader, Obama, McKinney. Nader was beating Obama by over a hundred people. I am going to look up that website and post it here when I can find it. the media and corporations are running the show, they don't want third parties to be heard and everytime Nader speaks they call him a spoiler. Well I think the Rep and Dem have spoiled us the last 2 decades.
You don't have to like Clinton, but George W.? Not comparable. Historically, this era is analogous to the civil war, in that our country could potentially meet its end at the hands of its own division. Our country is teetering on self-destruction! You don't have to like Obama, but he is not a George W. repeat. Campaign and debate reform I agree with! But I believe Obama can make the change--and he's more similar to Nader than Nader cares to acknowledge.
obama is the the bi partisan system in a nutshell. ive been drinking ay all night !!!! if youre not for peace youre for obama/mccain. half our taxes go the war.
Do I think Obama is capable of change? sure. Do I think he will? not a chance. He is too deep with CFR and lobbyist and corporations to be trusted. You need to remember the president is only as powerful as his senate. And the Democrats have been in charge of the Senate since late 2005. Since then NOTHING has improved, things are worse. Obama voted for many things that got us in this position we are in today. I care about record. Not rhetoric.
Nothing has improved? The Democratic Senate is not what it would be under Obama,but do you think they would let us expand into Iran or Russia? I want Bush impeached, but the Democratic Senate seems to be using a deeply Machavelian tactic of letting this war continue that the Bush admin. tarnish itself beyond repair. In the contex of information distortion in radio and news, where Bush has managed to maintain favor STILL among too many, you see why, but still, I hate it,I empathize, but hate it.
Obama doesn't want to impeach Bush or Cheney, but I guess he doesn't want to look back because Cheney is his cousin and all. Obama voted for re authorization of the Patriot Act and FISA, which destroys our civil liberties, and he is a civil rights lawyer! He also voted to give major tax cuts to oil companies, bet he was doing his old CFR buddies a favor. Obama doesn't want to end the war, he doesn't want to end corporate crime in our government, he doesn't want to change anything.
Obama voted no against the original Patriot Act, but reauthoarizing the act as a compromise. Voted for the FISA amendment, as it had restrictive clauses on gov. Obama has operated under a theme of pragmatic political reconciliation. Change doesn't occur by flipping a switch, it is a slow transition. He has demonstrated contempt for lobbyists in Washington, and wants to tax the top 5% (includes coorperations & oil companies) & serving on the CFR doesn't make him buddies with them.
Obama wasn't in the senate for the original Patriot Act.4 years later when no other attacks have happened, he still felt the need to vote AYE. He approves torture and making citizens terrorist suspects. FISA was a cover up for Bush and AT&T who were illegally tapping our phone calls, oh and guess who was the main sponsor of the DNC? AT&T! How come Michele Obama received a 100,000 pay increase at the hospital she works at when Obama decided he was running? He is a CFR lobbying corporate PUPPET!
Ralph Nader wants low-cost health insurance for all Americans! He wants not-for-profit medicine and health care! Obama doesn't want to change the health care system for our benefit! Obama is a corporate whore. Don't drink the Kool-Aid, don't vote for the corporate whore, Obama. (Reference to Kool-Aid relates to the Jonestown massacre of over 800 Black Americans by the CIA and their whore "Reverend Jimmy Jones," who lured San Franciscan Blacks to Guyana, to enslave them, & molest their kids.
Yes ,I know he has alwaysw gone all the way, he usually gets %2 of the vote, its just that Ron Paul would have won, its simple and a faact he would have even as a write in vote, as my experience with ross perot, he started out with 70-75% of the vote, everone was so ready for Honesty, and a chage, as he was threatened, Alex Jones says with his life, but I remeber it as ,"the internet was brand new ,and he was threatened or , his daughter was about to be married that rite before the election and
continue from perot as this is not going to the replies like i am trying...anywYAS YEA THE INTERNET WAS so primitive that not even the young had a comuper nevermind the older generation who still do not know how to use the web, there was no web for say , so and i read all the books of perot and he is a great guy , use to deliver newspapers to the black neighbor hoods were no one else wood, only him,and his dad was a farmer, so ron would have gotten 45% of the vote all the people who voted for
who voted for Perot would have ron paul,thats a ginen for starters, even as a rite in vote, then the we 20% would have pounded into our friends to vote and woukd only need to talk 1 one uno more person, 40% and a land slide , but he chicked out, now to get nadar th 40% needed for a land slide we its kinda late but we would all have to go on an all out war, i mean evereone get a 100 stickers put them every were , war, go to apaatements at night or day anywere put stickers on ever car , truck you
truck,electric boxes at the major red lights,and everywere, i put um up on the backs of signs to and on those triangle sighns for ice wich are folded down, evereywere, no one told us what to do we all just did it all over the USA ,see no one had a solidger like me or direcdter to rise the troops, people like Alex Jones, and all the other alternitive internmet media could have singled the troops like i explained amd an easy victory for Ron, now its even more desperate for sokmeone a third
candidate like i guess Ralph nadar, who then to us ross suppoerteters took 2% away from perot,plus you had the libertarian party who took 1.5% of perots vote, naw it was not perots we all should have many parties,as we have the internet now a huge comuinication network , it is possible, but wwe have no time to waste, I Call on Alexex Jones and all other load mouths like me to yell , tell evereyone , put up stickers every were , talk to every one , we need the nuclear arsenal of truthers to be
armed and also , listen , get out your laptops if you have wireless internet, hook up the audio output line, the green line connector , hook it into the car stereos input or if you have the front en for i pods hook it up there, drive around with the youtubes hooked up and crank up the amps drive around like alex and his P.A,. i was duing it today with Jesse venturea and 911 at the convention,
YOU REALLY WANT HIM TO WIN? A LAND SLIDE? HAVE JESSE AS HIS VICE PRESIDENT QND IT IS A SLAM DUNK!!!!
OH YEA THE YOUTUBE TODAY CRANKED UP AT THE GAS STATION PEOPLE WERE SURROUNDING MY TRUCK AND LISTENING AND HAD LOOKS ON THIER FACE LIKE EVERYONE ONE KNOWS ABOUT 911 AND JUST NEED A LITTLE RALLYING TO GET EVERYONE AROUSED, IS EE IT , ,THOUGHS ETC, IT IS TIME TO RALLY THE TROUPS AND GET THIS CROOKS OUT OF HERE AND IN PRISON!
RALPH NADAR/JESSE VENTURA = FREEDOM FOR ALL MANKIND ON PLANET EARTH! fact!!!
One Question! Are you going all the way, as i wasted my time, my labor, my money, putting up Ron Paul stickers everywhere , where they still reside %100 as the people of the once great USA still do not have a candidate, as you see on there cars , there are no or very rare, a sticker with any of the other 2 globalist on them,oh yea and as i look foolish with Ron Paul stickers 10 stickers on my personel company 1-800CRAWFISH truck .I cannot get them off .A FOOL! ANSWERE PLEASE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm a Nader Raider at heart, but I don't consider it a waste of time and money to still put ron Paul stickers up and to write him in even if you want, as you're making a statement to others of what policy platform you belive in. I would proudly support Nader, Ron Paul, McKinney, Gravel and Kucinich. I'd support Buchanan or Ventura aswell if they were running. A vote for any of them means you're not giving a mandate for war, occupation, destruction of civil liberties & corporate bailouts.
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foodscoo 3 years ago
Ralph Nader '08!! :D
sumfamousperson17 3 years ago
Lots of respect for Nader.
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damianpaonejazz 3 years ago
Search "bilderberg group" or "bohemina grove". These people have control over most of the nations of the world. And they all have one goal. A one world government dictatorship.
dustintml 3 years ago
or a federastion ruled my a small oligarchy... look up lisbon treaty EU
dylanofwomen 3 years ago
Look at the schools all the Presidents have gone, its all Yale, or couple others. Almost all the US presidents have gone to about 3 or 4 different schools. All of those schools have secret societies such as Skull and Bones, which both George Bush and John Kerry were part of.
dustintml 3 years ago 2
People need to look into history of all the US presidents in the last 100 years. All of them have been part of the conspiracy except JFK. And that is most likely why he was assinated.
dustintml 3 years ago 4
The arguments that go on between the Republican and Democrat parities are all staged. Its just to try and keep the people thinking that they actually are different parties, and actually are arguing. When really, they are all working together behind the scenes to form a one world government. Literally working together. I don't just mean they are the same, they actually have meetings, all the global elite, and public officials. They plan on forming a new world order.
dustintml 3 years ago
yep its all divide and conquer. YOu have the public going at each others throat with a bunch of anti "liberal" or anti "conserviative" nonsense. BUt the national "debate" is an ILLUSION. THe Democrats and republicans can always come together for war, imperilaism, big companies and Wallstreet. Hence the Iraq war and wall street bailout, both of which are terrible for the PEOPLE. After they come together in the name of their corporate masters they call it "bi-partisanship". BI-partisan crooks
AINTMYAMERICA 3 years ago
Right on. Pelosi and Bush yell at each other which gets americans yelling at each other. But all the yelling has nothing to do with disagreements on policy. Its not just a sham or corruption. It is a form of OPPRESSION!
tonylee1973 3 years ago
watch?v=cgps85scy1g
"fairly simple thing, happens to work."
RationalEmotive 3 years ago
Right on. Democrats and republicans agree on these points:
We need to wage pre-emptive wars of aggression.
We need to eliminate civil liberties for safety.
We need to raise debt and deficits.
We need to give the Fed more autonomy and print more money.
Nader, Barr, Baldwin, McKinney, Ron Paul and even Kucinich also agree with each other on those four issues:
Non interventionist foreign policy.
Restore and protect civil liberties.
Reduce debt and deficits.
Reform monetary policy.
mongoose704 2 years ago
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Except that Baldwin's even better.
jmjfanss 1 year ago
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votenader08 3 years ago
I am not necessarily a Nader supporter, but I so very much agree with him on this. I am so very sick and tired of this two party system -- two massive, wealthy organizations that shut out any and all attempts by a third party to have a say. I am so tired of the politicking and the silly attacks that Democrats and Republicans sling at each other. Pigs and lipstick. Who cares? Let's talk about ISSUES!
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jalvarezvUtube 3 years ago 2
I'm voting for chuck baldwin, nader is too liberal for my views, baldwin would wipe out the NWO Completely.
jmjfanss 3 years ago 3
Ralph is the only candidate for the people. He will be margialized because the country has gone fascist.
beijingyank 3 years ago
Go Ron Paul and Nader!!! Woot!!!
scoobydubby 3 years ago 4
Can you imagine Ralph Nader as president with Ron Paul as vice-president? These two guys would kick corporate asses in a way that would shock the rest of the world...
OperationCrossroad 3 years ago 5
yea,except Nader and Paul are polar opposites
scwt89 3 years ago
Ron Paul is pretty sweet too
urasmore 3 years ago 4
You are never Marginalized folks! Ralph Nader performs a great service for republicans every 4 years.
It's because of Nader Gore lost - HAHAHAHAHA
Useful Idiots - ALL OF YOU! And you dumb fucks are doing it again and again...
We love you.
clericimachine 3 years ago
I'm a proud financial backer of Ralph Nader. This race is not only about 2008, it's about building a less corporate-controlled America for future generations.
It feels so much better to vote for the right candidate than the lesser of two evils. It's not such a big deal if Nader doesn't win this time. The important thing is to keep gradually boosting his popularity and widening his support group over the years. Eventually, the Republican/Democrats will be dealt a humiliating blow.
chatelet55 3 years ago
Please people vote for Nader. Our lives really depend on us stopping the criminals where they stand. We will have major wars unless we elect a president who doesnt want us to continue these aggressive moves around the world
jackalackacrud 3 years ago
I'm glad I registered as an Independant! I WAS Democrat.
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago 2
Support Nader/Gonzalez for president and make it a three way race!
Together we CAN break the corporate control of our elections!
votenader08
nowellian 3 years ago
ryanshaunkelly 3 years ago
RON PAUL 2012! THIRD PARTY 2008!!!
PairoftheSocks 3 years ago
You are WRIGHT, you smell.
NObama is NOTHING like Nader.
NObama does not deserve to breathe the same air as Nader.
Nobama purchased a house and land with Rezko, NOT Nader.
Nader: Seat Belts, Freedom of Information Act, OSHA, too much to list here.
NObama: NADA, Zilch, Zero, NOTHING.
Yea, keep kidding yourself. NObama is NOTHING like Nader/Gonzalez
Matt Gonzalez: Minimum wage increase in San Fran that goes up as cost of living goes up..Currently at over $10.00 an hour. USA:not yet
blackcatsoda 3 years ago 2
there is no such thing in an election as a spoiler get real people its an election GO NADER
rumpelstillskin65 3 years ago 3
A two party system where the two main Candidates are bought & paid for by millions from corporations (& those corporate puppet masters demand basically the SAME policies from BOTH candidates) is in reality a ONE PARTY SYSTEM!
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists & WILL PERSIST!"
ejbh3160 3 years ago 3
I would like to see at least ONE debate featuring ALL minority party candidates who are seriously contending for the presidency.
JohnDeBunkTest 3 years ago 3
If you listen to NPR and you want to help promote the third parties' message, ask NPR to provide more coverage for third party candidates because apparently they think they are providing enough coverage to them. See: npr(dot)org/ombudsman/2008/07/covering_thirdparty_candidates.html
jalvarezvUtube 3 years ago
AllySmells001 WHEN ROSS PEROT RAN THE RULES WERE NOT AS HARD AS THEY ARE NOW IT WAS BECAUSE HE DONE SO WELL IS WHY THEY HAVE MADE IT HARDER FOR OTHER CANDIDATES TO GET IN THE DEBATES I THINK HE PULLED ABOUT 19,000,000. VOTES IF NADER COULD GET IN I THINK HE WOULD PULL MORE THAN THAT GO NADER
rumpelstillskin65 3 years ago 3
I don't think its quite that simple. Perot, they said above, qualified for the debates. Nader doesn't yet (nor any other third party candidate). But yes, Nader would sway many his way if he took the stage. He should have ran in the democratic primary(even if he is Green). I think ANY third party would ammass more following if they took stage in the debates. The rules might be constricted because they want to assure the candidate is electable (has large enough following) verses merely a spoiler.
AllySmells001 3 years ago
AllySmells001 SINCE THE DAY OF ROSS PEROT THEY HAVE CHANGED THE RULES JUST TO KEEP OUT THIRD PARTY
rumpelstillskin65 3 years ago 4
Ralph Nader is not a quiter, He has not given up on America. He has brought out more to stand up against these 2 parties. This man wants to bring your children home from places we don't need to be. Stop these suit thugs from stealing your hard earned money, pumping your kids full of drugs. The only one who was like JFK was John Jr. Obama is not going to WALK ON WATER, and McCain needs to get off his pity party about being a POW thank God you walked out. Many did not. I feel a movement here.
onlyonedeb2000 3 years ago 6
Third parties deserve the percentage of representation they EARN. Repeal the electoral.
seasonsandamuse 3 years ago 5
I personally think the two party system works. Extra parties, tend to take away from one side or the other. Nader in my view, should have ran in the Democratic primary (no, I'm not saying he's a Democrat, but his ideas are liberal) even though he disagrees with much of their ideas, as Ron Paul disagreed with much of his party's ideas. Yes, third parties have proved favorable in moments of history, but um, has anyone seen Obama? The Change theme? I'm looking forward to Obama and Nader's debate.
AllySmells001 3 years ago
AllySmells001 I'll say it again! A two party system where the two main Candidates are bought & paid for by millions from corporations (& those corporate puppet masters demand basically the SAME policies from BOTH candidates) is in reality a ONE PARTY SYSTEM!
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists & WILL PERSIST!"
ejbh3160 3 years ago
(p.1) I think we agree on more than you realize. I agree we need campaign reform.
Obama does too. Obama said of his decision to opt out of public financing, "public financing of presidential elections as it exists today is broken, and we face opponents who've become masters at gaming this broken system." If elected, I believe Obama will make it a priority, as ELECTIONS are a PRIORITY, to repair this defunct campaign system of ours.
AllySmells001 3 years ago
(p.2)EFFECTIVE education reform is a crucial part of a functioning represenative democracy, and is therefore part of campaign reform also, as an unelightened people tend toward appealing to emotion to decipher a candidates mert, rather than SUBSTANCE. "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." - Karl Rove (third parties not being considered in quote)
AllySmells001 3 years ago
& why would I care what THAT right wing neo-con 'crazy' thinks?? "too much education"?? If that isn't just typical of these fascist types... then what is?
Rove is one of the prime suspects... come the 911 trials!
ejbh3160 3 years ago
I was making a point. There is correlation with an educated masses and not being ruled by emotion, that therefore, tend to vote Republican (excluding the wealthy business owners who vote Republican because it benefits them). Rove may be a bad guy, but he is brilliantly calculated--he knows this. If an educated masses favored the Republicans, then don't you think Bush, with Rove's advice, would have pressed effective edu. reform harder?
AllySmells001 3 years ago
point taken... and so the dumbing down continues... and so an entire generation get 'indocrination' dressed up as 'education'.
ejbh3160 3 years ago
Can someone tell me, who knows the history, how Nader is doing comapred to Ross Perot in 1992? What made Ross Perot prestigious enough to participate in the debates (besides his checkbook).
AllySmells001 3 years ago
He was rich. I think he paid to get on there.
0613162k 3 years ago
wronge , we the people we fed up with Bush and clinton, Perot got 20% of the USA vote After an amazing 70% plus till as explained above/below? Peolple even redresses the Hollywood sign to reed Perotwood, it was awsome, my dad saaid to me, "you want to get Perot elected ? come on, and he took me to some black bars in the getto and we were having so much fun drinking and talking to black people, total strangers about perot in the ghetto, he he , people were on the streets kinda like jesse ventura
usanewadventures 3 years ago
I'm not suggesting he wasn't popular with the people. I'm just trying to figure out why the comission of Presidential debates allowed him on to a national audience, yet threatned to arrest Nader in 2000 if he even entered the building. The only way a third party can win is if they are in the debates to reach millions and millions of people confronting the 2 parties.
0613162k 3 years ago 2
He got 15% in national polls. That's what he needed to make the stage.
Ricky81682 3 years ago
What percentage does Nader have? Only about 8% right? That's why he's not allowed (unofficially, yet).
AllySmells001 3 years ago
there shouldnt be a percentage bar to let people into the debates. if youre on enough state ballots to win the election then you are a legit contender and should be part of the debate.
mikerotethis 3 years ago 3
"there shouldnt be a percentage bar to let people into the debates. if youre on enough state ballots to win the election then you are a legit contender and should be part of the debate." BUT if those are not the preset conditions, then you can't just change the rules in the middle of the game! Even if you like Nader. Hillary, likewise, didn't have a right to say Florida and Michigan suddenly counted when there were preset conditions. Follow the agreed on rules!
AllySmells001 3 years ago
If you look on polls online on websites that people actually went on and posted who they want, the top 3 candidates were (in this order)- Nader, Obama, McKinney. Nader was beating Obama by over a hundred people. I am going to look up that website and post it here when I can find it. the media and corporations are running the show, they don't want third parties to be heard and everytime Nader speaks they call him a spoiler. Well I think the Rep and Dem have spoiled us the last 2 decades.
marissacalderon 3 years ago 2
You don't have to like Clinton, but George W.? Not comparable. Historically, this era is analogous to the civil war, in that our country could potentially meet its end at the hands of its own division. Our country is teetering on self-destruction! You don't have to like Obama, but he is not a George W. repeat. Campaign and debate reform I agree with! But I believe Obama can make the change--and he's more similar to Nader than Nader cares to acknowledge.
AllySmells001 3 years ago
obama is the the bi partisan system in a nutshell. ive been drinking ay all night !!!! if youre not for peace youre for obama/mccain. half our taxes go the war.
mikerotethis 3 years ago
Do I think Obama is capable of change? sure. Do I think he will? not a chance. He is too deep with CFR and lobbyist and corporations to be trusted. You need to remember the president is only as powerful as his senate. And the Democrats have been in charge of the Senate since late 2005. Since then NOTHING has improved, things are worse. Obama voted for many things that got us in this position we are in today. I care about record. Not rhetoric.
marissacalderon 3 years ago
Nothing has improved? The Democratic Senate is not what it would be under Obama,but do you think they would let us expand into Iran or Russia? I want Bush impeached, but the Democratic Senate seems to be using a deeply Machavelian tactic of letting this war continue that the Bush admin. tarnish itself beyond repair. In the contex of information distortion in radio and news, where Bush has managed to maintain favor STILL among too many, you see why, but still, I hate it,I empathize, but hate it.
AllySmells001 3 years ago
Obama doesn't want to impeach Bush or Cheney, but I guess he doesn't want to look back because Cheney is his cousin and all. Obama voted for re authorization of the Patriot Act and FISA, which destroys our civil liberties, and he is a civil rights lawyer! He also voted to give major tax cuts to oil companies, bet he was doing his old CFR buddies a favor. Obama doesn't want to end the war, he doesn't want to end corporate crime in our government, he doesn't want to change anything.
marissacalderon 3 years ago
Obama voted no against the original Patriot Act, but reauthoarizing the act as a compromise. Voted for the FISA amendment, as it had restrictive clauses on gov. Obama has operated under a theme of pragmatic political reconciliation. Change doesn't occur by flipping a switch, it is a slow transition. He has demonstrated contempt for lobbyists in Washington, and wants to tax the top 5% (includes coorperations & oil companies) & serving on the CFR doesn't make him buddies with them.
AllySmells001 3 years ago
Obama wasn't in the senate for the original Patriot Act.4 years later when no other attacks have happened, he still felt the need to vote AYE. He approves torture and making citizens terrorist suspects. FISA was a cover up for Bush and AT&T who were illegally tapping our phone calls, oh and guess who was the main sponsor of the DNC? AT&T! How come Michele Obama received a 100,000 pay increase at the hospital she works at when Obama decided he was running? He is a CFR lobbying corporate PUPPET!
marissacalderon 3 years ago 3
Ralph Nader wants low-cost health insurance for all Americans! He wants not-for-profit medicine and health care! Obama doesn't want to change the health care system for our benefit! Obama is a corporate whore. Don't drink the Kool-Aid, don't vote for the corporate whore, Obama. (Reference to Kool-Aid relates to the Jonestown massacre of over 800 Black Americans by the CIA and their whore "Reverend Jimmy Jones," who lured San Franciscan Blacks to Guyana, to enslave them, & molest their kids.
brightsunshineyday 3 years ago 7
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000stryke3000 3 years ago
GO NADER ALL THE WAY
rumpelstillskin65 3 years ago 5
Yes ,I know he has alwaysw gone all the way, he usually gets %2 of the vote, its just that Ron Paul would have won, its simple and a faact he would have even as a write in vote, as my experience with ross perot, he started out with 70-75% of the vote, everone was so ready for Honesty, and a chage, as he was threatened, Alex Jones says with his life, but I remeber it as ,"the internet was brand new ,and he was threatened or , his daughter was about to be married that rite before the election and
usanewadventures 3 years ago
continue from perot as this is not going to the replies like i am trying...anywYAS YEA THE INTERNET WAS so primitive that not even the young had a comuper nevermind the older generation who still do not know how to use the web, there was no web for say , so and i read all the books of perot and he is a great guy , use to deliver newspapers to the black neighbor hoods were no one else wood, only him,and his dad was a farmer, so ron would have gotten 45% of the vote all the people who voted for
usanewadventures 3 years ago
who voted for Perot would have ron paul,thats a ginen for starters, even as a rite in vote, then the we 20% would have pounded into our friends to vote and woukd only need to talk 1 one uno more person, 40% and a land slide , but he chicked out, now to get nadar th 40% needed for a land slide we its kinda late but we would all have to go on an all out war, i mean evereone get a 100 stickers put them every were , war, go to apaatements at night or day anywere put stickers on ever car , truck you
usanewadventures 3 years ago
truck,electric boxes at the major red lights,and everywere, i put um up on the backs of signs to and on those triangle sighns for ice wich are folded down, evereywere, no one told us what to do we all just did it all over the USA ,see no one had a solidger like me or direcdter to rise the troops, people like Alex Jones, and all the other alternitive internmet media could have singled the troops like i explained amd an easy victory for Ron, now its even more desperate for sokmeone a third
usanewadventures 3 years ago
candidate like i guess Ralph nadar, who then to us ross suppoerteters took 2% away from perot,plus you had the libertarian party who took 1.5% of perots vote, naw it was not perots we all should have many parties,as we have the internet now a huge comuinication network , it is possible, but wwe have no time to waste, I Call on Alexex Jones and all other load mouths like me to yell , tell evereyone , put up stickers every were , talk to every one , we need the nuclear arsenal of truthers to be
usanewadventures 3 years ago
armed and also , listen , get out your laptops if you have wireless internet, hook up the audio output line, the green line connector , hook it into the car stereos input or if you have the front en for i pods hook it up there, drive around with the youtubes hooked up and crank up the amps drive around like alex and his P.A,. i was duing it today with Jesse venturea and 911 at the convention,
YOU REALLY WANT HIM TO WIN? A LAND SLIDE? HAVE JESSE AS HIS VICE PRESIDENT QND IT IS A SLAM DUNK!!!!
usanewadventures 3 years ago
OH YEA THE YOUTUBE TODAY CRANKED UP AT THE GAS STATION PEOPLE WERE SURROUNDING MY TRUCK AND LISTENING AND HAD LOOKS ON THIER FACE LIKE EVERYONE ONE KNOWS ABOUT 911 AND JUST NEED A LITTLE RALLYING TO GET EVERYONE AROUSED, IS EE IT , ,THOUGHS ETC, IT IS TIME TO RALLY THE TROUPS AND GET THIS CROOKS OUT OF HERE AND IN PRISON!
RALPH NADAR/JESSE VENTURA = FREEDOM FOR ALL MANKIND ON PLANET EARTH! fact!!!
usanewadventures 3 years ago
One Question! Are you going all the way, as i wasted my time, my labor, my money, putting up Ron Paul stickers everywhere , where they still reside %100 as the people of the once great USA still do not have a candidate, as you see on there cars , there are no or very rare, a sticker with any of the other 2 globalist on them,oh yea and as i look foolish with Ron Paul stickers 10 stickers on my personel company 1-800CRAWFISH truck .I cannot get them off .A FOOL! ANSWERE PLEASE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
usanewadventures 3 years ago 2
He went all the way in 2000 and 2004, there is no reason he would drop out in 2008, he has never dropped out of a race he has started.
Yourbike 3 years ago 3
I'm a Nader Raider at heart, but I don't consider it a waste of time and money to still put ron Paul stickers up and to write him in even if you want, as you're making a statement to others of what policy platform you belive in. I would proudly support Nader, Ron Paul, McKinney, Gravel and Kucinich. I'd support Buchanan or Ventura aswell if they were running. A vote for any of them means you're not giving a mandate for war, occupation, destruction of civil liberties & corporate bailouts.
0613162k 3 years ago 3
If you woke even one (probably more) to what is going on...you wasted nothing. Sorry you feel that way. The message has not changed, has it?
milliradian 3 years ago 2
Get him on the debates........
thankgodcpa 3 years ago 4
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johnknight999 3 years ago
AGREED !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Satronn 3 years ago 2
tnx
europarl 3 years ago
Thanks
jldrbjr 3 years ago