Cyclist Hit by Impatient Driver RX06 ZXV RX06ZXV

[labyonnette]

That could easily happen to any motorist, it certainly wasnt intentional. You are an oversensitve, paranoid typical cyclist who has a helmet cam and a desperate wish to pickup on the slightest minor incident and blow it up beyond all proportion. Childish imbecile. Give blood kill a cyclist a day

[Esegismo1]

That Bastard I hate drivers like that

[Dopydoby]

@Esegismo1 That Bastard!..I hate cyclists like that!

[Esegismo1]

@Dopydoby um ok and ur replying to me why?? Im smarter and MATURE enough to not start a war over YouTube okay buddy:) the nerve of u

[mddm11772]

I dont see what the purpose was she had to pass you, You were clearly keeping up with the car in front of you even on a steep hill.

[marc0523]

First cycling video I have seen where it was all the driver's fault, not surprising he wasn't insured.

[kentcyclist]

I didnt see anything wrong

[ian8354]

@kentcyclist You taking the PISS ?

[kentcyclist]

@ian8354 No. No. Would I don such a thing ?!. LOL

[MrStratos2012]

@ian8354 Kent Cyclist is a Troll just ignore him/Delete his messages and block.

[4crevis]

I have had this happen to me before... why can't they just wait that extra 2 seconds?!

[4crevis]

What an idiot... right on a bend as well!

[MrDazp1]

What a knob head.

[Gh0ster201]

you gotta love how the driver Honks the horn after he hits into the biker lawl.....

[strippzy]

F**k that was close! Could have been much worse though. Lucky he was going relatively slowly. DEFINITELY not your fault at all. Pity there's never a copper around when ya need one.

[MegaOptionzTV]

That driver shouldn't be on the road -simple.

[mrextremophile]

Reigate!

[hunghuge12]

I don't normally like these headcam vids because it's usually someone whinging when it's their own fault for being rude/whatever. In this case you did nothing wrong. The polo is 100% at fault here and needs nicking for it. Unfortunately if it's uninsured it's highly unlikely it will be registered to the person driving it so it will be a needle in a haystack job. Best of luck though and do report it - we need these muppets off our roads.

[faultyservice]

Shakes head, overtaking on bend with oncoming traffic.

He didn't even care about you.

I'm convinced only way drivers will respect and understand cyclist dangers is by making it compulsory that new licence holders spend 90 days log booked riding to work.

[roossi]

It means Why are you riding your'e bicycle on a street that is meant for cars... do u understand now?

[FitztheTim]

@roossi Yes I do. Thankyou.

I don't know where in the world you are from but in the UK (where MrCasualCyclist is riding) it is illegal to ride on the pavement (or sidewalk) unless you are a small child.

The roads (or driveways) are not just for cars, trucks, motorbikes, etc. They must also be used by cyclists, horses, and, occasionally, pedestrians.

[FitztheTim]

@roossi p.s In case you are interested,.in the UK, a "driveway" is an area on someone's private property which is used to park their vehicle (or approach the house if it is slightly grander).

[roossi]

well then why the fuck r u riding at drive way ? :D

[FitztheTim]

@roossi what the fuck does that sentence even mean?

[roossi]

@FitztheTim you know the r is pronounced like are is, and U is pronounced the way that you is. so if I don't want to write long comments then i use those cind of short cuts.

[FitztheTim]

@roossi I understood the "R U" part, it was the"at drive way" that didn't make sense. But it is 3 in the morning and I havebeen drinking so it may bedown to me.

[Dopydoby]

OK. So its the drivers fault for driving off... but look at the position of the cyclist.

He calls "holding the strongest possible road position", I call it hogging the road ....as usual.

Stop the film at 1.32 and you will see what I mean.

I am agreeing with DuncanHGibb entirely. He was so intent looking at the 4 wheel drive that he did'nt check behind!!

[MrPorhtnasim]

@Dopydoby Hello Dopyboy, you must be the driver of the Polo then - judging by the nonsense you are typing. You haven't got the slightest clue what you are talking about and obviously you can't cycle yourself. No! Even a bicycle can't go right on a plane angle. And no - in any case it would have been impossible for the Polo to overtake the cyclist safely in the corner - not even after the corner. Read here: tinyurl com/5eoz37 (163!) here: /6x4l9f8 and here: /ypo5vl u may learn sthng

[Dopydoby]

@MrPorhtnasim

All cyclist are taught to stay a couple of feet from the kerb.

Look at his position at exactly 41 secs. He's in the middle of the road on a corner and the dark Polo is just about to hit him. I'm NOT absolving the Polo driver in the film but I am criticising the whingeing cyclist for not taking some of the blame!

[MrPorhtnasim]

@Dopydoby One last time: 1) The Highway Code does not require cyclists to cycle a “couple of feet” from the kerb. 2) Cyclecraft (endorsed by Dep.of Transport) and court rulings encourage cyclists to “take the road” in order to prevent dangerous overtakes. 3) If at all, MrCasual was too far to the left (@ his speed he couldn't move any further to the left anyhow) as the driver still thought (s)he could squeeze through. 4) You Dopydoby make no sense!

[Dopydoby]

@MrPorhtnasim

OK. One last time from me.

1. The idiot cyclist is in the MIDDLE of the road at the corner. The Polo gets past him even though he touched the cyclist with his/her wing mirror. Just shows that if the whingeing cyclist had been a little nearer the kerb.....nothing would have happened!!

2. I did not say it is a LAW to stay 2ft from the pavement, I said "TAUGHT!".(you know...parents, school,friends etc.)

3. "Court rulings encourage cyclists to 'take the road'..."

CRAP!!

[Dopydoby]

4.....I've just checked video again and 10/10 for cyclist keeping to the kerb (between 31 secs and 39 secs) he is definately in the correct position (close to the kerb). There are NO potholes. However, when you click on the 'pause' quickly and click again to start the video several times,(almost double clicking) you can clearly see the cyclist moving into the middle of the road (corner cutting) within TWO seconds. (39 sec-41 secs). Thats all the time the driver behind had!

[Dopydoby]

What I am saying in the last post is to allow the film to proceed to 39 secs and then quickly pause. Now SLOWLY 'double click' several times and it gives the effect of 'slow motion'. Note the times and positions and you will clearly see the cyclist moves from the side of the road to the middle (cuts the corner) within TWO seconds!.

As I said earlier, I am not absolving the Polo driver....but the whingeing cyclist deserves at least 50% of the blame.

[MrPorhtnasim]

@Dopydoby Yes, he does move about two feet over ...but - for heaven's sake - this is what you do when you go around a corner on a bicycle or motorbike faster than with walking speed. As long as you do not lean into oncoming traffic this is perfectly legal and I was even taught to consider this when overtaking traffic on two wheels by my driving instructor many many many years ago. shakesheadindisbelieve

[Dopydoby]

@MrPorhtnasim. I agree that most people cut corners...but think!. The cyclist stuck to the kerb for most of the way and then suddenly moves to the middle of the road.....it does'nt require a lot of brains to realise that the driver following will be taken by surprise..especially if the driver is overtaking at the time (something the idiot cyclist did'nt take into consideration ..did he!? (like...check behind before moving out!).Thats what I do on my bike ..and I have'nt been hit!

[MrPorhtnasim]

@Dopydoby You are the only ones who sees him "cutting" a corner. I don't see that, I see him going around the corner. You say, you don't try to absolve the driver but skew every fact in order to construct responsibility on behalf of the cyclists - not to mention that you curse him repeatedly in your comments. End of discussion.

[Dopydoby]

@MrPorhtnasim

If I'm the only one who's seen him cut the corner then its because I'm the only one who used the slow motion effect. I'm not skewing anything. I'm just stating facts and you agreed with me he "does move about two feet over". So where am I telling lies?.

Also, as I previously stated, if he had NOT "moved about two feet over" there would have been NO incident. The Polo driver would still have been in the wrong however for overtaking on a corner. See, I'm unbiased.

[strippzy]

@Dopydoby You're a complete idiot if you consider the cyclist to be at fault. Every one reading your comment is saying the same thing. The car overtook on a corner and avoided a collision with oncoming traffic by cutting off the vehicle ( a cyclist) he was trying to overtake. It doesn't matter where the other road user was in his lane and he was also following too closely (Heard of the two second rule, mate?)

[Dopydoby]

@strippzy Theres only two idiots on here ...and you are BOTH of them!

I can call myself unbiased because I am a driver AND a cyclist. If you read my post CAREFULLY you will see that I criticise BOTH!

You, on the other hand are blatantly biased ....as a cyclist. Even your picture on here is as a cyclist!. You'll probably reply saying that you're a driver as well but that would too late to undo your hypocrasy.

[strippzy]

@Dopydoby It's not hypocrisy because I did not state my own potential actions here. Also I have never stated that because I ride or drive I am therefore in a position to pass judgement. You have got pretty worked up about this. The driver of the vehicle broke the road regulations. Period. He did NOT overtake with clear vision throughout the entire manoeuvre. He hit another road user and failed to stop to ascertain. Any one can see this whether they ride a bike, walk or drive.

[Dopydoby]

@strippzy You're not reading properly because you're biased in favour of the cyclist. I agreed that the Polo driver should NOT have overtaken at that corner. Likewise, the cyclist should NOT have cut the corner leaving the Polo driver no choice but to pull in.

Simples!

In any case the cyclist is a whinge because I noticed that he was only touched slightly and he even had time to looked round at the Rover.... and then rode on!. He did'nt even get off his bike. What a moaner.

[xchopp]

In the US, if a driver hits you and doesn't stop that's a big no-no -- it's a moving violation and you HAVE to stop. It's actually considered a crime, not a misdemeanor (ok I know that's greek to brits but you get the gist).

[mr420B]

@xchopp same here though, its illegal to flee the scene of an accident

[QueenDePanda]

i think he tried to overtake but didnt notice the oncoming car (silver) got freaked veered into the biker then got scared and ran

[busog97641]

@xterminator069 I sorry what?

[xterminator069]

what happened? i couldnt see anything

[Zildjian285]

Any update on what happened regarding the police report, etc?

[duncanhgibb]

I know i am about to invite the wrath of the world upon me, but here goes. As you cycle up the hill you are hugging the yellow line, video 35-40 seconds. You then cut the corner from 40 seconds onwards without looking over your shoulder / checking mirror, the Polo was already moved out to overtake you and had nowhere to go with the Land Rover coming down the hill.

I'm sorry but you caused that. Let the flaming commence.

[franciscccccc]

@duncanhgibb the driver was still overtaking too close AND on a sharp bend in the road...

[mistykiwi]

@duncanhgibb

You, the overtaker, are responsible for ensuring that the overtaking manoeuvre is carried out safely.

If the car driver couldn't see enough of the road ahead to ensure enough space and time to overtake safely, they should of held back until they could. DON'T overtake a cyclist unless you can give them plenty of clearance, at least double that you would give a car. Basic stuff for learners let alone qualified drivers!

[ilscozzese]

@duncanhgibb ".. already moved out to overtake you and had nowhere to go with the Land Rover coming down the hill."

You defeat your own argument there. Polo driver could not see around the corner to confirm he could complete the pass safely but he went for it anyway. Therefore he put himself in that postion, nobody else did. Nowehere to go? Oh, that's right, his escape strategy was to hit the cyclist rather than risk minor damage to his car.

Classic example of blaming the victim.

[duncanhgibb]

@ilscozzese No i don't defeat my own argument, I highlight that any person, be they driver, cyclist or biker has a duty to check the road PRIOR to undertaking an action, like cutting a corner. It was the cyclists actions that was as much as to blame as the drivers. I did say that in a later post, that it was 50:50. The cyclist was not the victim, they were another road user who knows their rights but none of their responsibilities.

[ilscozzese]

@duncanhgibb A driver commited to an overtake "with nowhere to go" = fail.

Cyclists move all the time. Potholes, debris, glass, camber, wind, all affect how someone rides.  Other road users *ought* to be aware of that if they remember the HC:

"When passing ... cyclists, give them plenty of room." "..cyclists may suddenly need to avoid uneven road surfaces and obstacles .... Give them plenty of room and pay particular attention to any sudden change of direction they may have to make."

[duncanhgibb]

@ilscozzese And not one of those reasons you gave applies in this situation, the guy cut the corner without looking, end of story. He did not HAVE to change direction, he chose to and decided to do so without checking whether it was safe to do so.

I can see you are struggling to apportion any blame whatsoever to the cyclist, its all the big bad car drivers fault? Both of them were in the wrong, try using your other eye before responding.

[FitztheTim]

@duncanhgibb The cyclist did not cut the corner, he took the corner, that's all.

[strippzy]

@FitztheTim Well said.

[MrPorhtnasim]

@duncanhgibb So you are seriously suggesting it is the duty of the one who is being overtaken to make sure that there is enough room for the one who attempts to overtake? What did you smoke? Whatever it was, you must have used your copy of the highway code to wrap it in. And where is he cutting a corner? Did you ever ride a bicycle? Believe it or not they cant go in a plane angle. That's physics.

[oldskoolchopperboy]

I got knocked off by a police car yesterday, the driver actually said " Sorry mate I didn't see you" I couldn't believe it !!...he gave me his private number and said he would pay for any damage to my bike, then his superintendent turned up and wanted to make a lengthly report etc..he was asking too much personal info DOB etc, I said that's irrelevant and refused to do the official report, on that basis, so now I have to trust the driver (policeman) to pay for my wheel, saddle gloves etc...

[FitztheTim]

@oldskoolchopperboy did the polis pay up?

[KrunchyJD]

That is hit and run, get the bastard charged, and I hope they crush their car!

[MacTobey]

please keep us updated on this one! i hope they get that polo bastard!!

[TheVexatiousLitigant]

I get way too many cars passing me on blind bends, this confirms what I always say, "Plan B is to use the bit of road the cyclist is in" Surely that move will mean points on the drivers licence. being on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend whilst overtaking has to be worse than careless driving. I hope the Police take action against that idiot.

[MrCasualCyclist]

Thanks guys!

I will be reporting it to the police, I tried doing it over the phone but because it is a hit & run I have to report it in person, which due to work means I won't be able to report it until Thursday.

In terms of road positioning I'm always trying to be stronger, and I choose that line on that road to avoid being hit by oncoming traffic, and it's a steep uphill so only doing 12-16mph usually. Thanks for the advice :)

I have a partial plate for the Land Rover which should be enough.

[saberswordsmen1]

@MrCasualCyclist Just curious if anything ever came of this.

[DimitriVegasShmigg]

@MrCasualCyclist But it was the Polo that hit you not the Land Rover?!

[arushandapushand]

@MrCasualCyclist

"only" doing 12-16mph on the steep uphhill!

wow. I need to do more training.

btw, any updates to this situation?

[theverdictlondon]

@MrCasualCyclist One thing i will say is, Say when calling, i was injury and there was bike damage, those two things will take you up the listings, i have done the same thing

[MelloVEL0]

That's terrible. Another +1 for reporting it. He didn't check you were ok. Are you bruised? Shouldn't the driver be reporting it within 24 hours to the police?

This is always something I worry about, that on a close overtake they avoid hitting the bigger object and go for the softer option.

The tax disc is about to run out too( 01 03 2011 )

[ilscozzese]

+1 for reporting that to the police. I don't believe for a minute he was unaware of striking you.  If he's unisured he should have his car crushed.

[SteveCardiff]

@ilscozzese No, if he's uninsured he should have his nuts crushed :)

[Wabbit0789]

@ilscozzese he proberly was uninsured. Could assume thats why he didn't stop lol

[CyclingMikey]

That is such appallingly bad driving!!! That driver should lose their license.

From a purely defensive point of view, I'd also take the lane through a 20 zone, and particularly on such a narrow road with oncoming traffic. Give a spanner like that driver even the hint of a gap, and they will sometimes try to take it.

[gaz545]

in a 20 zone it is a good idea to take a primary position, as it's very rare that a car will be going much faster than you. I think it also would have helped if you looked behind you, i don't know if you have a mirror or not, but a look behind you to see what could potentially happen is never a bad thing.

BUT the driving was appalling and not down to any fault of yours, overtaking such a sharp blind bend is absolutely crazy and i only hope this driver gets their car crushed!

[mrcellophane99]

Have you got the number from the Land Rover as a witness ? I would be straight down the Police Station with that. It is clearly hit and run and would get the driver a good talking to at the very least.