i was saying that people here that want those things i consider as treason. canada is socialist, so is every other country...except America. dont think that socialism is an innocent thing to help people. it is a small tyranny. the nazis were socialist. marx said to instate communism it had an order, capitalist to socialist, then to communism. socialism is the middle road to communism. it can not go from soc. to cap. it can only go to comm.
@aqueenowlbee Nazis were socialist ? .. lol just because they have the word socialist in their party name doesn't make it so. Hitler and the Nazis were anti-communist and anti-socialism. Hell, socialists and communists were some of the first to be sent to concentration camp.
@Longmachao well when you understand what the definition of socialism is, you will understand how dumb your statement is. secondly. the nationalist socialist workers party and the communist worked together. if you had read any books on the subject you would know this. you would know that the slogan was brown before red. which you might be able to interpret the meaning, but i doubt it. and if i ever need a history lesson from someone who has a picture of spongebob to represent them i,let,uno
@aqueenowlbee Attacking spongebob is pretty low.. and a picture i upload 5-6 years ago mean something how? Why did you even checking my profile? lol. I also like how you insult my intelligence without giving any useful information. Its common knowledge the nazis were anti-socialism/communism. You know what's dumb? using Hitler deeds to paint a negative image on socialism.
@Longmachao Sorry but you dont understand the meaning of the word. "Socialism is general term for the political and economic theory that advocates a system of collective OR GOVERNMENT ownership and management of the means of production and distribution." National socialism taught that everything should be owned by the state. He was opposed to private property - though he tolerated it for the twelve years he was in power. Communism, in theory says that the workers (proletariat)
@mikelheron20 should own the means of production and distribution. In practice, no country has managed to reach this and have wound up with state ownership - not at all what Marx had in mind. The opposite of socialism is capitalism and the free market (free of state control and intervention). Nazism was a collectivist philosophy - just like left wing socialism.
religious fanatics. and regular fanatics. communism turns art into state commisioned art, that only is about the state and not the human condition or soul. all art is corrupted for the use of propaganda. now would i go to a doctor who works for free, because he doesnt want to sell himself? or one that people are willing to pay, because the doctor has a value for himself? and for the doctor who does not "sell" himself, how does he eat? does he live on alms? so a society living by alms?
@aqueenowlbee he is paid by the STATE! and trust me, a man/woman that will love his job and who will not sell him/herself (not become an overpaid slacker) will have 99.9% of the times more respect towards others than any other person that puts money first in his life. Now tell me what will happen with the "doctor that has a value for himself" when his own state will fall in recession because of all the privatization/outsourcing, lack of capital when he won't have a future anymore?
@Szeba86 it all happened before and shows that the concepts remain almost the same all the time and only the name is changing (call it what you want; capitalism, socialism, fascism, democracy or just political blabla)
@Szeba86 the overpaid slackers i have met have been unuion workers. the slackers i have met are socialist college kids who think they know everything, have the college paid for by their bourgeois parents which they, thanks to the zeitgeist "feel" shouldnt exist. how good of a job do people do when they dont work for themselves but for the "good of everyone else. how good of a job will people do when their jobs are picked for them? i dont talk to communist scum traitors.
@Szeba86 p.s. the unuions are perfect example of people selling themselves. only they sell their souls, their actual belifs for a paycheck. i know red neck, white, blue-collar workers, against abortion, against gay marraige, for godd and guns. but for some reason vote democrat. what do you think that is about? your a slave, because your ignorant. your a college kid no doubt. go occupy wallstreet you lazy zombie. why do you go live in russia, in the good parts. you dont know jack jack.
@aqueenowlbee lol I've graduated from a private college in 2009 so I'm not a college kid anymore, and the college didn't pay me shaite! I and my family had to buy a lot of crap to finish with a piece of paper that I can wipe my arse with at the moment, also the overpaid slackers had to start from somewhere didn't they? and the reason why I'm still dumb is because I didn't come out from my mother's privates with Einstein' knowledge
@Szeba86 so it is even worse. your an advocate for socialism and or communism and you were born with a silver spoon. history doesnt lie. the common people do not want your help, m fine in my poverty. dont help us. we will help ourselves rich boy. your ideas are destructive. it is always the minority that cause the revolutions, and it always, always ends badly. you are disgusting. you do not know the value of money because you have no value system.
@Szeba86 being a genius is not inate. if you think properly and logically you can have great ideas. ideas that change the world. you have, as everyone does the ability to think and create. it is only that people lack a self. they rely on others ideas. take those ideas and put them under the microscope and make new ideas. they must be logical. they can not be gotten from feeling what is right or wrong. but what is right in itself. do you believe in freedom for the individual?
yes I do believe in freedom for individuals, isn't that what democracy is all about? freedom of choice, expression so on? I'm not a red or a nazi don't get me wrong and I hate dictators with all my guts, those were the ones that gave every concept a bad name. And just because I was raised up to obey my parents & teachers orders doesn't mean that I'm a red scum, don't forget that Marx was also a philosopher & wasn't his fault that the reds built their crap on his philosophy
@Szeba86 my friend marx. the philosopher. said in his communist manifesto, that to impliment communism one third of the population had to be wiped out. i assume in the particular area of where ever it is to be tried. marx who was a jew, hated jews. communism is pre-evil, it was not the people who came after that corrupyed it, it was evil from the very begining. marx summed up communisim in a sentance. abolishment of personal property. freedom of religion not of treason for me. i'm4freedom
@aqueenowlbee fair enough, you've pointed out yet another thing I forgot about Marx's writings, those were the truly inhumanly evil parts, but even the greatest minds did some horrible things that put the life of others in danger up to this day (e=mc2 ?!) P.S. you mixed communism with socialism there, dare to take a look at Sweden? or Canada? I doubt you'd say there's treason in those countries :)
@aqueenowlbee and no matter what you're going to say or call me next I will still respect your opinion, because you are free to think and express yourself publicly without any restriction and because by doing just that you've pointed out that I should study harder the courses of history... in which, I admit, publicly, I'm whack at
I am aware that this probably is a comedic caricature of Marx, but seriously though, if you read Das Kapital, both Marx, and Engels fully understood the genius of Capitalism, they just didn't think it was sustainable on a finite planet.
what marxists never understand is there is evil people among poors and workers and peasents too. The richs are not the only mother fuckers here
you want to give job, health care to a violent worker who beat his kids? go ahead
you want to give education to a cruel peasent who hurt his animals? go ahead
marxists are violent, ignorant people thats why they want to give THE PARADISE ON EARTH to ANY PEOPLE, to any bastard, to any violent and ignorant man like them
@trifulquita15 Evil you say? You strike me as a religious bigot and a Nazi, something which our contemporary society has managed to produce. You have no right to call yourself a human being, sadly, there are no gulags for the likes of you.
@buzzhawk I said poor people can be evil as any rich man or middle class man. You are talking about gulags, not me. When i see marxists in military parades, with tanks and nuclear missiles, i see another kind of fascism. The left-wing fascism.
@trifulquita15 Your vision of fascism is a little too superficial, aka it's all down to tanks and military parades. Sure, there were such things, but they were less than in the other country across the pond which prides itself in being liberal and democratic. You support social Darwinism which is a little on the fascist radar.
@buzzhawk its funny how marxists says all anti-marxists are happy with the current situation. If this democratic-nationalist system and the free market doesnt work, we must change it. Now, its not obvious to look forward? To try NEW systems? Why people insist in ideologies made in 19 century?
@trifulquita15 It isn't true that we need to use the ideologies of the 19th Century. But, you need a strategic thinkers to move things forward not "marxists". Marx was not a Marxist.
@Anonymous220880 just because we live in a society with violence, anarchy, poverty, doesn't mean we must return to socialism wich is worse. A new form of goverment is coming, and its not marxist socialism..
Communism= state/people controlled market (from each according to their ability, to each according to their need). What you are seeing today in the USA is not true capitalism. It is not capitalism when the government bills out the banks with tax payer dollars. It is not capitalism when congress is for sale by special interest groups and lobbiest. It is not capitalism when the federal reserve controls interest rates and the money supply. (cont)
@Anonymous220880 They also make money by controlling the means of production. I don't know what you mean when you say that billionaires (capitalists) do not produce anything with utility or use value. Speculating is not necessarily the problem right? Speculation does not create value.
(part 2). I hate corruption as much as you do. But what you fail to realize is that in a true capitalist society all parties succeed. You claim that capitalism explodes the poor but in reality in a free choice society it does not Look to china as an example. Look at Hong Kong & the united arab emirtes for more examples. Now look at cuba pre-1959 & post 1959. I am not for monopolies, but I do want to be in control of my own productivity without big brother looking over me
Funny thing, all these Carl Marx critics never read Marx. They've read theories written by Marx's enemies and told that they are from Marx. And increasing of critic of these "Marx's theories" is the best proof you may count on fulfilling of Marx predictions the next decades. Want to check? Next 8 years capitalism will get another crisis, bigger than all before it. The role of state in all capitalist states will increase rather quickly.
Marx was right about the collapse of capitaism and we can see it all around in countries like the Nordic countries, France, USA, Germany, UK, Canada, and many other are moving toward more socialist state-run industries. But he truly was about 200 years early.
@KeithHartranft ''moving toward more socialist state-run industries'' Hardly. Do you see in said countries the prospect of a return to the pre 1980's world of state run industry? The ideas that run society(& marx's materialism failed to account properly for the autonomy of ideas) simply put that beyond the pail. Even if it were the case it would not be marx's prediction or dream. Even the USSR would have been a dramatic failure from Marx's perspective.
@KeithHartranft what you say is partly true.Lets just observe if the countries you mentioned can keep it up.Right now those countries are running some deficits with the exception of sweden.their problems isnt too great as in greece.But i think its still too early to call socialist democracies in europe a success.
SOME POOR WRETCHED COMMUNIST STILL IS GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAN PUBLIC TOILETS, OR DO COMMUNIST NOT SHIT? I WOULD IMAGINE COMMUNAL TOILETS WOULD BECOME ESPECIALLY DISCUSTING, IF YOU DID'NT OWN THE TOILET YOU WERE CRAPPING IN THAN WHY NOT SPRAY DIARRHEA ALL OVER THE BOWL?I'M GLAD THERE IS NOT SOME FUCKING COMMUNIST COMMITY WHO WILL DECIDE IF ITS MY LOT IN LIFE TO SPEND MY ENTIRE LIFE CLEANING TOILETS. YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK, EQUALITY IS A GIGANITC LIE.
dangerously close to caricature... please take the time to read Marx's own works and don't let some clown get up on a stage claiming to represent his life or his ideas...rubbish upon stilts.
"of course we all have read and do read [das] capital"
@luvcheney1: By whose definition? The CEOs? Every thief finds a way to justify his crime... How I said, there is a subjective benefit for both trading parties, because otherwise the trade would not occur, but only one party (the one which is selling) obtains more value for less value, and, in consequence, profit is a form of stealing. Basic 1st grade mathematics deny "mutual profit", so give me a break with your so called definition.
The more I reflect on world history, the more threadbare capitalism becomes. It is all sell buy sell buy crash sell buy etc-that will not give human beings a future. Yes, previous "manifestations" of "socialism and communism" have failed in the long term but they were all revolts of the weak against a global system. Marx rightly saw socialism as only succeeding in rich countries with a developed culture and technology ie where the capitalists are strongest.
it, the wages of the employees who work for it and the upkeep of the machinery which accelerates the manufacturing process. No "profit" should be earned by the entrepreneur unless he/she does also the job of the manager and deserves a wage.
is the one which sets demand and offer equal. No, this is just the best price for making profit, but profit itself is robbery, because only one party can take advantage from an exchange! (you know, 1st grade math???) The only right price is the one which equals the costs for manufacturing the product and the wages of all the personnel which participated in the production and distribution process of the sold product.A product values just as much as the costs of the raw materials needed to produce
the fact that the selling company steals money from him/her. The Gross Profit and the VAT (but the VAT is at least reinvested in the interests of every person) are nothing but money stolen from the buyer... "Mutual profit" is a fairy-tale for illiterates, so please spear me this bullshit! The concept exists only psychologically (because most of the people don't realize that they are disadvantaged by a trade) and in your fallacious market theory which states that the best and most correct price
@beauxq Not necessary at all! If you do not benefit from buying something, you dont buy it. The product MUST be worth more to you than your money, or you would hold onto it. This is assuming of course, that nobody is holding a gun to your head. I like electricity. I may not like the price, but if I felt my life would be better by keeping my money, and doing without power, I can.
@luvcheney1 You can't know exactly what your life is going to be like with electricity or without electricity in the future, so you have no way of knowing whether it's worth more than your money.
@beauxq When you buy a meal, the meal is worth more to you than your money. If it were NOT, you would go eat someplace else, or something else. That doesnt require you to be omniscient. This is the case for everything you ever buy.
@luvcheney1 You can't know what the meal is going to be worth to you. You don't know how it's going to taste, whether it's going to make you sick, or whether it's going to kill you. This is the case for everything you ever buy.
@beauxq What you can depend on is the greed of the provider of the food. If his food is shit, you wont come back. We do business all day long with different people simply because we DO trust them.
@beauxq Lets assume nobody has any confidence or fath in any business transactions. If there was that total lack of faith, business wouldnt happen. But it does. There is faith, whether you see it or not. This confidence is essential, and there is a very high degree of it, here, in the US.
@luvcheney1 What does any of that have to do with transactions being mutually beneficial? The transactions can't be mutually beneficial unless both parties KNOW EVERYTHING about what is being traded. Faith doesn't give anyone any knowledge and has no relevance to the discussion at all.
@beauxq All transactions seem to be mutually beneficial at the time. Perhaps you may have an issue with it later, but if there was so much fear in society to being ripped off all the time, no business would occur. It does. Billions of mutually beneficial transactions a day. Businesses that fuck up, dont make things right wont prosper well.
@luvcheney1 "All transactions seem to be mutually beneficial at the time." Yes, now you have it right.
Business occurs because people's lives depend on it. People need food and shelter and healthcare. Transactions occur because ads on TV brainwash people. All this is despite lots of fear in society.
Billions of transactions a day that seem to be mutually beneficial at the time. Yes.
Businesses that mess up won't prosper well, unless they can tell people that it wasn't their fault.
@beauxq Maybe you hate MecDonalds food, you had one, you think it sucked. Now, you dont go there anymore. 310 million Americans doing that, over all the businesses in the nation, is a powerful force, to build, and destroy. We all NEED things to live, and will die without some of them. Others are mere conveniences. But, we only make transactions that we have faith are in our own benefit, and the sellers do the same. It is mutually beneficial, or they wouldnt occur.
@beauxq The point of Marxists is that one side of a transaction is exploiting the other. That there is a winner, and a loser. That is false. The fact that McDonalds may burn a hamburger now and then, or someone really doesnt enjoy catsup, mustard, and pickle based burgers, doesnt change the issue being debated. So, if it makes you happy, I will readily agree, peoples tastes are different, and burgers get burned. Now, how about the actual fucking POINT?
@luvcheney1 So, there is no conflit between the worker and the guy who owns the factory/comapny/the working place? There is no conflict between a workers salary and the capitalists profits? there is no conflict between the workers intrerest in a short labourday vs the capitalists intrest in producing as much as possible to the shortest exent of time? Are those just fictional? ^^ If that is so... how come the workers dont earn more?
@SociusSvitjod Supply- demand model, a simple graph everyone claims to know, answers all your stupid questions. Wages & conditions are determined between the balance of worker, & employer. Both sides are represented. Many employers, & many workers make exploitation by either impossible. 3rd world low wages reflect a huge surplus of excess labor & as greedy capitalists exploit them by more factories, the surplus dries up, and wages rise. US, Japan, China, are examples of this.
@wmh1982: Your logic is complete nonsense, because you just called mathematics "nonsense". The relations A>B and B>A can't ever exist in the same time, that assuming that you, capitalists, have the logical skills of a 7 year old kid... Trades actually occur voluntarily only in one case, and that is A>B, with B being the value the buyer gets and A the value the trader gets in a trade exchange. Sure, for the buyer it might seem that he/she is advantaged by the exchange, but this doesn't change
lefties ae weak. righties a strong. lefties fail to deliver and trigger right dictatorships.
the left ight two step is illusion. look at the pact between nazi germany and soviet russia. it was not an accident. nazis lot. commies won. ussr fell. usa i falling. china is not communist vr state capitalism. the answer is anachism-think gandhi, etc.
if we dont wake up soon and refuse to serve the state-we will perish.
We don't have capitalism right now. In fact, we have almost the exact opposite, and it's the lack of capitalism that is the reason why we're in trouble. Big government, tons of regulation, high taxation, bank bail-outs and corporate bail-outs. All of that is NOT capitalism, it's socialism. I'm sick and tired of people giving capitalism all the blame when it's the socialist policies that brought us in this mess. The whole crisis is caused by big government and their deficit spending.
@ApocDevTeam Capitalism must have parts of socialism or it would collapse completely, This is why we have welfare to keep the increasing number of poor in this country from going crazy and rioting.
Capitalism on its own only lasted until 1929 where it collapsed, From there a hybrid capitalist/socialist system came to be wich is what we have now.
The problem with capitalism is it caters to people with the most capital wich eventually leads to a 2 class society of super rich and super poor.
It's funny, socialists always recognize the problems just like capitalists do. Except that socialists don't realize that the problems that exist are caused by the very thinking they advocate. I suggest you watch some videos from Milton Friedman about capitalism.
@ApocDevTeam You are jumping to wildly uniformed conclusions.
I never said i was a socialist. The only thing i agree with marx on is that capitalism is doomed to fail, that dosent mean im a socialist or a communist.
The kind of economic model we need cant be brought about by voting for elitist politicians in rigged elections, The change we need is a social change, The way we look at the world needs to change.
@ApocDevTeam I understand that the venus project is greatly flawed but still i think it was worth mentioning because some aspects of it are a step in the right direction.
Some other aspects of it are a joke though lol you cant expect people to turn into robots and all come together one day and hold hands.
@skilo1983 There have been much worse times then there are now. And collapses that are worse then this one.
One shouldnt be to quick about claiming that the system is collapsing, because its not really collapsing. Have you seen anyone die of hunger in the wall street protest?
@gulbirk It would have collapsed already if it where not for socialist welfare programs keeping it going. A large chunk of the middle class is now poor and the poor cant afford to buy consumer goods the way the middle class did and since we are mainly an import country now we rely on consumerism to survive.
The occupy protests are the poor in this country waking up.
@skilo1983 """It would have collapsed already if it where not for socialist welfare programs keeping it going"" that is very true, I forgot about that.
"The occupy protests are the poor in this country waking up."" Even though I want to agree with that soooooo much, I fear the opposite. In light of the protest guys like Ron Paul gain popularity.
I like Marx, but I also like Rand. She would agree somewhat to what he is saying here, especially in the case of art where it is no longer about talent but who has the biggest pair of breast and whom happens to have the right facial structure.
Possibly it shouldn't be an either or economy. The social democracies that use a combination of socialism and free enterprise have the highest standard of living in the world.
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taken from a disadvantages party (the customer or the employee who is paid only a small part of the fruits of his/her labour), and trade never "created" and will never "create" wealth! PRODUCTION, whether agricultural, industrial or service-granting, CREATES WEALTH, and then, in a capitalist society, trade comes in and increases the value of the goods/services produced in order to TAKE more wealth from other DISADVANTAGED parties, not to create it.
benefits both parties, (I would use the sandwich I buy when I am hungry, so I benefit from the trade because I couldn't eat money and they would have no value for me if I couldn't buy anything with them) but the "gross profit" the merchant, the en-gross shop dealer, the warehouse owner and the factory owner added on the initial price of the desired product is the profit they actually steals from me, because I pay more value units for something which would be worth less value! Profit needs to be
rates because their corporations look towards losing less money on paying wages!
You see, here on the real world, we've got two things called "mathematics" and "logic", and if you would use this things some times too, rather than spilling propaganda on the masses, you would know that "mutual profit" does NOT exist in trades. If a=b in a trade, then nobody gains a profit, and if a>b or a<b and the trade still occurs, then a party gets a profit and the other one is disadvantaged! Of course trade
@Vict0r1984 This is complete nonsense. If A=B in a trade then the trade would not take place. If A>B or B>A the trade would also never voluntarily take place. Different people have different value scales. Those values are dictated among many things, included their supply of that good. Its called Marginal Utility. The only way a voluntary transaction takes place is if each party values what they are receiving higher than what they are giving for it.
(which means using immigrant populations as cheaper workforce) it started to apply especially in the 20th century, thus transferring the poverty of the American proletariat to foreign immigrants and entire foreign countries...
The successes of capitalism are parasite economies which, in spite of offering excellent development standards to their people, (because they do it) drain out of wealth other countries and create massive poverty in Asia, South America and Africa, and have high unemployment
as poor as today's third world, and its situation from the 18th century and the early 19th century wasn't ameliorated at all by the massive industrialization and the increase in profits of the late 19th century! It was ameliorated by the WORKERS RIOTS organized by MARXISTS which demanded and obtained rights for the workers, and by the economic colonialism (expressed at first in Liberia and the Philippines, but in the later 20th century everywhere around the third world) and the economic racism
not be classified as anything else but dire poverty? Oh yes, there isn't any wealth in those states, because their resources are drained by occidental international corporations, and their people are employed as cheap labour in production facilities, thus "creating" (or more precisely stealing from other nations...) American and western European wealth!
During the times when people actually traded the goods they or their few hired workers from a workshop or a small factory produced, the USA was
bring us the USA or the UK as an example, while these countries have a lot of business regulations (like limited daily work time, interdicted child labour, state-controlled education and health care as private schools or clinics are not as frequently found as public ones etc) and there are freer markets like Indonesia, Egypt, Honduras, Argentina, Nigeria or Malaysia which would be a better example of working capitalism. Now, where is the huge wealth of these free markets, as their situation can
Also, if you had red my entire series of comments, you would've known that I criticized planned economies as well for not delivering enough consumer goods, and I proposed a form of market socialism with the major economic sectors planned by the state, and free workers' cooperatives and family businesses which would expand the variety of produced goods and services.
Also, it is pretty amusing how you conservatives always brag about the successes of capitalism and
There were even 7 members families living in CITIES and they actually had no problems with food! They could not afford buying a car or a seaside vacation, but they had enough food. Nowadays, you can barely feed three children if you are the only employee in the family! (and that if you abstain from buying expensive commodities) Nobody starved during Stalinist Romania, but some do in capitalist Romania. Nobody owned Ferrari cars and huge villas built on national funds in Stalinist Romania, but
"trade creates wealth". Anyway, my father was a coal miner and my mother was unemployed (she used to work in a textile factory, but she quit after my birth), so we were VERY FAR AWAY from the party elite, and yes, there were massive goods shortages during Stalinist Romania, but that was mostly because the dictator sold about 90% of the goods in western countries in order to repay some IMF loans he made in the 70s for industrialization, but food, except for meat and bread, was STILL ABUNDANT!
@EconomicLiteracyNow: Of course I visited a grocery store in a SOCIALIST - communism was never applied on this Earth - country, (did you?) as I am a ROMANIAN and I lived my early childhood (until 5 years) under Ceausescu's regime, and you would've known that if you had visited my channel in order to check the accuracy of your idea, but I guess the American school of capitalism always teaches you to make wrong unverified assumptions, because, after all, your comments are full of lies like
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Planned economies have never worked and never will. The social welfare state in Europe and the US is crumbling before our eyes. Socialists and central planners have the fatal conceit that they know MORE than the sum of individuals and the trillions of decisions they make in markets.
Markets are not planned, but arise.
Progress cannot be planned.
Capitalism is NOT a zero-sum game.
Each individual trade benefits both parties or it would not occur.
Employees make their own salary, plus a surplus that builds up in the pockets of business owners. That is the reason why the ruling class can live from the work of people in salary.
Cooperatives are the proof that capitalist enterprises are not necessary. And since they are not necessary (capitalist corporations), they can disappear from history. Even more now, when capitalism is becoming a hindrance to the economy necessary for the ecological problem.
the truly hilarious irony of this video is that if it weren't for capitalism no one would be watching this because youtube wouldn't exist and howard zinn wouldn't be able to make let alone make money off of his truly horrible plays and books
Well like anything, those who follow believe that people must give up their own self interests knowing full well the consequences of doing so for the greater good. In essence, in other to create an utopia one must crush free will as it will interfere. Although Marx was smart, he downplayed man's natural inheritance towards self-preservation (or greed) and hoped that shedding off that notion would give rise to utopia. Capitalism gives free will full range to do good or do evil.
CAPITALISM creates ELITE CRIMINALS. DRUG LORDS. INEQUALITY. INSECURITY. GREED. RUTHLESS COMMUNISM. NWO. NAZI. TERRORISM. LAZY PEOPLE. REBEL POLITICIAN. ANARCHY. worst is WAR etc.. etc..
CAPITALISM was designed only for CORRUPT OPPORTUNISTIC MANIPULATIVE LAZY POLITICIAN. BANKERS. LAWYERS. DRUG LORDS. MAGGOT SOCIALITES. CRIMINALS. DICTATORS. RULERS. KING. SULTANATE. EMPEROR etc. etc..
HARD WORKING PEACE LOVING HAPPY HONEST SOCIETY were always the slave victim and poorly starve to death. :(
Even the idea that 'capitalism' created anything good is a total fallacy. Technology has given us 'advances' and those were from science. Can't say a lot of our advances have been well executed though..
The only thing about socialist that I've seen is that they cease to be socialist once they get rich, to be a socialist you have to forget about individuality, be part of the mass, but, a thing very important is that nobody is equal, we can be equal biologycally, but everyone is different in their needs, dreams and goals. The quid of this problem may radicate in the search of an equillibrium, because socialist have proven to be a failure and capitalism goes the same way to fail.
exactly, Marx never took into account individual needs, everyone has needs and wants, until those are satisfied Socialism will never work, because its purely based on distribution, (take from the haves to the have not's and repeat to continue balancing the scales). Capitalism for its supposed 'evil' gives a person the means to his ends by his own free will and judgement. Therefore capitalism takes into account Free will, while socialism in other to work free will must be gone.
, but Marxism is not necessary characterized by planned economies. The planned economy is the production of Bolshevism and Leninism, but Marxism advocates only for the control of the workers over the means of production, and this could be done as well with free market elements as workers-cooperatives... A Marxist democracy would be better than any of the previously mentioned systems, as it would provide both better wages and more economical choices!
you couldn't even afford 1% of what you could own if you get a profitable career, but you get to choose the products and services you like rather than being obligated to buy what the state sells you). Planned economies are better than free markets for personal prosperity if you live in poor countries, (since capitalism would fail to bring you basic necessities) while free markets are better if you live in rich countries, (since planned economies would fail to bring you enough economical choices)
You have obviously never visited a grocery store in a communist country or talked to anyone who has lived under communism (outside the ruling party elite). Yeltsin was astounded when he visited a Houston supermarket. He could not believe the abundance of products people could buy, and how attractive it looked. Gorbachev visited England and asked Margaret Thatcher "saw to it" that people got food. She didn't; prices did, and the Brits ate a lot better than the Soviets.
@Vict0r1984 But you are forgetting one thing. >The free market in the western rich part of the world leads to an over production and over use of items, thus creating a non-sustainable enviroment that is bound to collapse, and that CAN have NO chance of comming close to feeding even half the world.
In other words, I will rather live in a state where I have to eat fish on wednesdays then ending man kind.
living in capitalist economies) but you would never end up owning a villa, a personal yacht and an ivory tower administrating your worldwide possessions from 200m above the surface of the Earth... Within a planned economy, you have more money but fewer services, (which means you afford to buy almost everything you could own if you get a profitable career like university teaching) while in capitalism you have very much services because of the competitive market, but fewer money, (which means that
workforce... Second, China decreased severely its human development level after adopting Deng Xiaoping's capitalist reforms from 1979, but, then again, managed to eliminate shortages and bring a wider variety of goods. The only valuable reason to support capitalism as an employee is, in fact, your small chance of actually getting rich, and the better variety of choice in commodities. Within a planned economy, you would never die because of hunger,(unlike the case of 50% of the World's population
given by a bigger variety of goods and services for every customer, but on financial terms, it spreads much more poverty to the masses than every dictatorial socialist system ever did. Moreover, within a socialist economy, not only the wages are higher, but the profits which are kept by the state are used for other social advantages like free apartments for the employees of different institutions, free health care for everyone, free education for everyone, or absolute employment of the national
@joaquinveyron: Go talk about something you understands, since economics are certainly not in this category! First of all, my friend, the collapse of every planned economy brought afterwards decreased purchasing power parity, decreased wages, and a lower GDP in the respective country, so it never bought poverty and famine. Check any country of the former Warsaw pact and you'll see the same economic failure in the 90s. The only advantage a free market economy brings is the multitude of choice
to all of you praising democracy heres a few fun facts. in 2050 we will be twice as many on earth in 2025 70% of the worlds population will be in shortages of water we can at any moment have a ice age coming since we cannot predict how the balance between salt and normal water is democracy is doing almost nothing to prevent a collapse of society and the status Que tell me what makes democracy so great seems like the policy is if we just ignore it it will go away.
"in 2050 we will be twice as many on earth in 2025 70% of the worlds population "
What???? And then??? What has this to do with the question of whether communism helps or not??
Yes, I know colmmies love the poor and the hungry, because ANYWHERE where commies are in power they created millions and millions of new hungry and poor. GREAT SUCCESS!!!
@joaquinveyron im not trying to promote communism im trying to point out one of democracy's many flaws you seem to be convinced that democracy is flawless or at least as flawless as it can get which is not true democracy cannot overcome the next 50 years we need change i think a society where we remove boarders and secure the lower class as well as everyone else and govern in the interest of all then we just might overcome it look at it this way the one with the strongest arms carry the most
DIpshit, who is saying that democracy is flawless. In democracy, for instance, you actually have to argue with leftish, brain amputated dipshits like you. In democracy we actually have to give people like you who have got no education, intelligence, arguments whatsoever a right to vote and a right to exist. How can you say that democracy is flawless? Nevertheless, it is by lightyears better than any COMMUNIST SHITHOLE!
@joaquinveyron i did not say democracy was flawless i said the oppest you dident even read my argument your just as ignorant as you can get also im not under education im pretty well educated but your logik is so fucked that i dont even bother having an argument with you
Yeah, do it, dipshit. If I were you, I wouldnt try to have an argument with me either, because a leftish dipshit like you only would lose it on the ARGUMENT, LOGIC and FACTS side. No worries, you are certainly not the only one :-)
All the examples of COMMUNIST SHITHOLES are of course communistic. What else? Although people like you might dream differently about communism, COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLES liek North Korea are the DIRECT and LOGIC consequence of putting/trying to put communistic policies into practice.
Yeah, boy, in a democracy people have fundamental rights, one of which is to make one s own decisions about one s life, including job, profession, property, company. Allowing these rights to individual which is part of a FREE society leads to INEQUALITY, which communists hate as much as the devil hates holy water. Thus, a classless society cannot exist in FREEDOM, boy. That s why all the COMMUNIST SHITHOLES are SHITHOLES.
@joaquinveyron A free society can bring both equality and inequality... Depends on how its implemented...
As i said a Democracy... The people always gather together and takes decisions then... That is a democracy... Not that people we want to speak for us, cause then its not your words... Its your words as seen through others...
Yes every person has rights... And those rights should include. 1. A home. 2. A job. 3. A say in the world....
Those are in Capitalism Commodities... Not rights...
Hahahahahah, an unintelligent boy like you does not even know how to do it, THEORETICALLY, left alone that LEFTISH DIPSHITS all around the world tried to implement this "heaven" already for 100 years, and ALWAYS, ALWAYS the result has been: COMMUNISTHIC SHITHOLES, no matter when, where and how.
@joaquinveyron You know without us Leftish dupshits, you would still earn that witch answers to 1 dollar a day... And there would still be a King to control all...
The world would be divided between Rulers and ruled...
"eftish dupshits, you would still earn that witch answers to 1 dollar a day.."
????? hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahhaha ... dipshit, with leftish idiots deciding about things, we all would have wages as in COMMUNIST SHITHOLES, such as in Mao China e.g. where are worker earned 0,10 EUR per day!!! Since CAPITALISTIC reforms have been applied in China now for 30 years, China s GDP and wages have increased by the factor of 60!!!
i was saying that people here that want those things i consider as treason. canada is socialist, so is every other country...except America. dont think that socialism is an innocent thing to help people. it is a small tyranny. the nazis were socialist. marx said to instate communism it had an order, capitalist to socialist, then to communism. socialism is the middle road to communism. it can not go from soc. to cap. it can only go to comm.
aqueenowlbee 3 days ago
@aqueenowlbee Nazis were socialist ? .. lol just because they have the word socialist in their party name doesn't make it so. Hitler and the Nazis were anti-communist and anti-socialism. Hell, socialists and communists were some of the first to be sent to concentration camp.
Longmachao 2 days ago
@Longmachao well when you understand what the definition of socialism is, you will understand how dumb your statement is. secondly. the nationalist socialist workers party and the communist worked together. if you had read any books on the subject you would know this. you would know that the slogan was brown before red. which you might be able to interpret the meaning, but i doubt it. and if i ever need a history lesson from someone who has a picture of spongebob to represent them i,let,uno
aqueenowlbee 2 days ago
@aqueenowlbee Attacking spongebob is pretty low.. and a picture i upload 5-6 years ago mean something how? Why did you even checking my profile? lol. I also like how you insult my intelligence without giving any useful information. Its common knowledge the nazis were anti-socialism/communism. You know what's dumb? using Hitler deeds to paint a negative image on socialism.
Longmachao 2 days ago
@Longmachao Sorry but you dont understand the meaning of the word. "Socialism is general term for the political and economic theory that advocates a system of collective OR GOVERNMENT ownership and management of the means of production and distribution." National socialism taught that everything should be owned by the state. He was opposed to private property - though he tolerated it for the twelve years he was in power. Communism, in theory says that the workers (proletariat)
mikelheron20 2 days ago
@mikelheron20 should own the means of production and distribution. In practice, no country has managed to reach this and have wound up with state ownership - not at all what Marx had in mind. The opposite of socialism is capitalism and the free market (free of state control and intervention). Nazism was a collectivist philosophy - just like left wing socialism.
mikelheron20 2 days ago
religious fanatics. and regular fanatics. communism turns art into state commisioned art, that only is about the state and not the human condition or soul. all art is corrupted for the use of propaganda. now would i go to a doctor who works for free, because he doesnt want to sell himself? or one that people are willing to pay, because the doctor has a value for himself? and for the doctor who does not "sell" himself, how does he eat? does he live on alms? so a society living by alms?
aqueenowlbee 5 days ago
@aqueenowlbee he is paid by the STATE! and trust me, a man/woman that will love his job and who will not sell him/herself (not become an overpaid slacker) will have 99.9% of the times more respect towards others than any other person that puts money first in his life. Now tell me what will happen with the "doctor that has a value for himself" when his own state will fall in recession because of all the privatization/outsourcing, lack of capital when he won't have a future anymore?
Szeba86 4 days ago
@Szeba86 it all happened before and shows that the concepts remain almost the same all the time and only the name is changing (call it what you want; capitalism, socialism, fascism, democracy or just political blabla)
Szeba86 4 days ago
@Szeba86 the overpaid slackers i have met have been unuion workers. the slackers i have met are socialist college kids who think they know everything, have the college paid for by their bourgeois parents which they, thanks to the zeitgeist "feel" shouldnt exist. how good of a job do people do when they dont work for themselves but for the "good of everyone else. how good of a job will people do when their jobs are picked for them? i dont talk to communist scum traitors.
aqueenowlbee 4 days ago
@Szeba86 p.s. the unuions are perfect example of people selling themselves. only they sell their souls, their actual belifs for a paycheck. i know red neck, white, blue-collar workers, against abortion, against gay marraige, for godd and guns. but for some reason vote democrat. what do you think that is about? your a slave, because your ignorant. your a college kid no doubt. go occupy wallstreet you lazy zombie. why do you go live in russia, in the good parts. you dont know jack jack.
aqueenowlbee 4 days ago
@aqueenowlbee lol I've graduated from a private college in 2009 so I'm not a college kid anymore, and the college didn't pay me shaite! I and my family had to buy a lot of crap to finish with a piece of paper that I can wipe my arse with at the moment, also the overpaid slackers had to start from somewhere didn't they? and the reason why I'm still dumb is because I didn't come out from my mother's privates with Einstein' knowledge
Szeba86 4 days ago
@Szeba86 so it is even worse. your an advocate for socialism and or communism and you were born with a silver spoon. history doesnt lie. the common people do not want your help, m fine in my poverty. dont help us. we will help ourselves rich boy. your ideas are destructive. it is always the minority that cause the revolutions, and it always, always ends badly. you are disgusting. you do not know the value of money because you have no value system.
aqueenowlbee 4 days ago
@Szeba86 being a genius is not inate. if you think properly and logically you can have great ideas. ideas that change the world. you have, as everyone does the ability to think and create. it is only that people lack a self. they rely on others ideas. take those ideas and put them under the microscope and make new ideas. they must be logical. they can not be gotten from feeling what is right or wrong. but what is right in itself. do you believe in freedom for the individual?
aqueenowlbee 4 days ago
yes I do believe in freedom for individuals, isn't that what democracy is all about? freedom of choice, expression so on? I'm not a red or a nazi don't get me wrong and I hate dictators with all my guts, those were the ones that gave every concept a bad name. And just because I was raised up to obey my parents & teachers orders doesn't mean that I'm a red scum, don't forget that Marx was also a philosopher & wasn't his fault that the reds built their crap on his philosophy
Szeba86 4 days ago
@Szeba86 my friend marx. the philosopher. said in his communist manifesto, that to impliment communism one third of the population had to be wiped out. i assume in the particular area of where ever it is to be tried. marx who was a jew, hated jews. communism is pre-evil, it was not the people who came after that corrupyed it, it was evil from the very begining. marx summed up communisim in a sentance. abolishment of personal property. freedom of religion not of treason for me. i'm4freedom
aqueenowlbee 4 days ago
@aqueenowlbee fair enough, you've pointed out yet another thing I forgot about Marx's writings, those were the truly inhumanly evil parts, but even the greatest minds did some horrible things that put the life of others in danger up to this day (e=mc2 ?!) P.S. you mixed communism with socialism there, dare to take a look at Sweden? or Canada? I doubt you'd say there's treason in those countries :)
Szeba86 4 days ago
@aqueenowlbee and no matter what you're going to say or call me next I will still respect your opinion, because you are free to think and express yourself publicly without any restriction and because by doing just that you've pointed out that I should study harder the courses of history... in which, I admit, publicly, I'm whack at
Szeba86 4 days ago
Marx was a person of his age.
Our job is to prepare a better world for our age. Call it what you want as long as workers are liberated from daily capitalist slavery.
jayraskin 1 week ago
I am aware that this probably is a comedic caricature of Marx, but seriously though, if you read Das Kapital, both Marx, and Engels fully understood the genius of Capitalism, they just didn't think it was sustainable on a finite planet.
Faerlon123 1 week ago
Communists are bad
jghanesh 1 week ago
what marxists never understand is there is evil people among poors and workers and peasents too. The richs are not the only mother fuckers here
you want to give job, health care to a violent worker who beat his kids? go ahead
you want to give education to a cruel peasent who hurt his animals? go ahead
marxists are violent, ignorant people thats why they want to give THE PARADISE ON EARTH to ANY PEOPLE, to any bastard, to any violent and ignorant man like them
trifulquita15 2 weeks ago
@trifulquita15 Evil you say? You strike me as a religious bigot and a Nazi, something which our contemporary society has managed to produce. You have no right to call yourself a human being, sadly, there are no gulags for the likes of you.
buzzhawk 2 weeks ago
@buzzhawk I said poor people can be evil as any rich man or middle class man. You are talking about gulags, not me. When i see marxists in military parades, with tanks and nuclear missiles, i see another kind of fascism. The left-wing fascism.
trifulquita15 2 weeks ago
@trifulquita15 Your vision of fascism is a little too superficial, aka it's all down to tanks and military parades. Sure, there were such things, but they were less than in the other country across the pond which prides itself in being liberal and democratic. You support social Darwinism which is a little on the fascist radar.
buzzhawk 2 weeks ago
@buzzhawk its funny how marxists says all anti-marxists are happy with the current situation. If this democratic-nationalist system and the free market doesnt work, we must change it. Now, its not obvious to look forward? To try NEW systems? Why people insist in ideologies made in 19 century?
trifulquita15 2 weeks ago
@trifulquita15 It isn't true that we need to use the ideologies of the 19th Century. But, you need a strategic thinkers to move things forward not "marxists". Marx was not a Marxist.
testmark1 4 days ago
@testmark1 yes, marxism is another religion. Blind faith, loyalty, if things doesnt work blame anything except Marx's writings
trifulquita15 3 days ago
@trifulquita15
Yea he is wrong because the system is okay, and not bankrupt in anyway.
America is not broke due to Capitalism but due to Socialism right?
Yea your so right!
The banks are not broke and the world is doing okay right?
World peace and no hunger in the world ain't it great?
You so blind it's not even funny
Anonymous220880 2 weeks ago
@Anonymous220880 just because we live in a society with violence, anarchy, poverty, doesn't mean we must return to socialism wich is worse. A new form of goverment is coming, and its not marxist socialism..
trifulquita15 2 weeks ago
@trifulquita15
Think outside the box ;)
Anonymous220880 2 weeks ago
Its not capitalism that fails, its communism. The USA is in deep debt because of all its social welfare programs.
huntforsport 3 weeks ago
@huntforsport
Your Country is broke and so is 60% of the world!
So please tell me how it works?
How is it that Company's leave USA to go to cheap workers country's?
For more profit and for that you need to exploit people, it's a simple process really.
Your Businessmen sell you out to corrupt country's!
Cooperation buying other cooperation's to gain more power and eliminate the free market by overpowering it with money!
Capitalism will fail because it needs poverty to survive!
Anonymous220880 3 weeks ago
@Anonymous220880
Capitalism= free market
Communism= state/people controlled market (from each according to their ability, to each according to their need). What you are seeing today in the USA is not true capitalism. It is not capitalism when the government bills out the banks with tax payer dollars. It is not capitalism when congress is for sale by special interest groups and lobbiest. It is not capitalism when the federal reserve controls interest rates and the money supply. (cont)
huntforsport 3 weeks ago
@huntforsport
Both are wrong ideology's I.M.O.
You know as I know that people are corrupt, so that count's for the whole system and company's to.
There is only so much wealth in this world and if to many get rich the system will fail.
Poverty is feeding hate and war, and Capitalism feeds of poverty.
That's why it's also known as a suicide system.
We need something new and fair without any dictatorship in anyway.
Try to think outside the box.
Because non of them work.
Anonymous220880 3 weeks ago
@huntforsport
Why do your think your Government wants you to spend more?
Because the billionaires are not doing it, they get more interest then the can spend.
They are bleeding us dry from both sides, making money on speculating on stocks and shareholders.
That's making money out of money, they don't produce anything that's of any value to us.
Anonymous220880 3 weeks ago
@Anonymous220880 They also make money by controlling the means of production. I don't know what you mean when you say that billionaires (capitalists) do not produce anything with utility or use value. Speculating is not necessarily the problem right? Speculation does not create value.
testmark1 4 days ago
@Anonymous220880
(part 2). I hate corruption as much as you do. But what you fail to realize is that in a true capitalist society all parties succeed. You claim that capitalism explodes the poor but in reality in a free choice society it does not Look to china as an example. Look at Hong Kong & the united arab emirtes for more examples. Now look at cuba pre-1959 & post 1959. I am not for monopolies, but I do want to be in control of my own productivity without big brother looking over me
huntforsport 3 weeks ago
@huntforsport
Okay I understand your point but tell me, what if someone got the same business as you and he sells his product cheaper to get you out the market.
You find out he moved his factory to Nigeria for cheap workers,and than sells it in your country.
What are you going to do? Work for less money? Fire your employees? Or move your business in a even worse country to survive?
Anonymous220880 3 weeks ago
i like this
not25yet 3 weeks ago
Funny thing, all these Carl Marx critics never read Marx. They've read theories written by Marx's enemies and told that they are from Marx. And increasing of critic of these "Marx's theories" is the best proof you may count on fulfilling of Marx predictions the next decades. Want to check? Next 8 years capitalism will get another crisis, bigger than all before it. The role of state in all capitalist states will increase rather quickly.
tagaphon 4 weeks ago
@tagaphon should I quote ur words about ur state of literacy and familarity with marxism?
rakuuu85 4 weeks ago
Marx was right about the collapse of capitaism and we can see it all around in countries like the Nordic countries, France, USA, Germany, UK, Canada, and many other are moving toward more socialist state-run industries. But he truly was about 200 years early.
KeithHartranft 1 month ago
@KeithHartranft ''moving toward more socialist state-run industries'' Hardly. Do you see in said countries the prospect of a return to the pre 1980's world of state run industry? The ideas that run society(& marx's materialism failed to account properly for the autonomy of ideas) simply put that beyond the pail. Even if it were the case it would not be marx's prediction or dream. Even the USSR would have been a dramatic failure from Marx's perspective.
Malthus0 1 month ago
@KeithHartranft what you say is partly true.Lets just observe if the countries you mentioned can keep it up.Right now those countries are running some deficits with the exception of sweden.their problems isnt too great as in greece.But i think its still too early to call socialist democracies in europe a success.
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SOME POOR WRETCHED COMMUNIST STILL IS GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAN PUBLIC TOILETS, OR DO COMMUNIST NOT SHIT? I WOULD IMAGINE COMMUNAL TOILETS WOULD BECOME ESPECIALLY DISCUSTING, IF YOU DID'NT OWN THE TOILET YOU WERE CRAPPING IN THAN WHY NOT SPRAY DIARRHEA ALL OVER THE BOWL?I'M GLAD THERE IS NOT SOME FUCKING COMMUNIST COMMITY WHO WILL DECIDE IF ITS MY LOT IN LIFE TO SPEND MY ENTIRE LIFE CLEANING TOILETS. YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK, EQUALITY IS A GIGANITC LIE.
Klauwsawitzz 1 month ago
this guy (pretending) is an idiot
stefano666tits 1 month ago
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beauxq 2 months ago
Send this guy to north korea.
hopala007 2 months ago
@hopala007 you mean north korean DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC?
tlz791 2 months ago
dangerously close to caricature... please take the time to read Marx's own works and don't let some clown get up on a stage claiming to represent his life or his ideas...rubbish upon stilts.
"of course we all have read and do read [das] capital"
iiNDiTC 2 months ago
@luvcheney1: By whose definition? The CEOs? Every thief finds a way to justify his crime... How I said, there is a subjective benefit for both trading parties, because otherwise the trade would not occur, but only one party (the one which is selling) obtains more value for less value, and, in consequence, profit is a form of stealing. Basic 1st grade mathematics deny "mutual profit", so give me a break with your so called definition.
Vict0r1984 2 months ago
The more I reflect on world history, the more threadbare capitalism becomes. It is all sell buy sell buy crash sell buy etc-that will not give human beings a future. Yes, previous "manifestations" of "socialism and communism" have failed in the long term but they were all revolts of the weak against a global system. Marx rightly saw socialism as only succeeding in rich countries with a developed culture and technology ie where the capitalists are strongest.
stylophobia 2 months ago
I hope that "something new... 2:42" is nuclear fusion...
0rioni 3 months ago
it, the wages of the employees who work for it and the upkeep of the machinery which accelerates the manufacturing process. No "profit" should be earned by the entrepreneur unless he/she does also the job of the manager and deserves a wage.
Vict0r1984 3 months ago
is the one which sets demand and offer equal. No, this is just the best price for making profit, but profit itself is robbery, because only one party can take advantage from an exchange! (you know, 1st grade math???) The only right price is the one which equals the costs for manufacturing the product and the wages of all the personnel which participated in the production and distribution process of the sold product.A product values just as much as the costs of the raw materials needed to produce
Vict0r1984 3 months ago
the fact that the selling company steals money from him/her. The Gross Profit and the VAT (but the VAT is at least reinvested in the interests of every person) are nothing but money stolen from the buyer... "Mutual profit" is a fairy-tale for illiterates, so please spear me this bullshit! The concept exists only psychologically (because most of the people don't realize that they are disadvantaged by a trade) and in your fallacious market theory which states that the best and most correct price
Vict0r1984 3 months ago
@Vict0r1984 All voluntary transactions between free individuals are mutually beneficial, by definition.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 only if everyone is omniscient. People can't know everything about the transactions they make.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq Not necessary at all! If you do not benefit from buying something, you dont buy it. The product MUST be worth more to you than your money, or you would hold onto it. This is assuming of course, that nobody is holding a gun to your head. I like electricity. I may not like the price, but if I felt my life would be better by keeping my money, and doing without power, I can.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 You can't know exactly what your life is going to be like with electricity or without electricity in the future, so you have no way of knowing whether it's worth more than your money.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq I know what it will be like next week if I throw my bill in the trash. I couldnt talk to idiots on the internet, unless I pay.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 You can see the future because you're omniscient.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq When you buy a meal, the meal is worth more to you than your money. If it were NOT, you would go eat someplace else, or something else. That doesnt require you to be omniscient. This is the case for everything you ever buy.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 You can't know what the meal is going to be worth to you. You don't know how it's going to taste, whether it's going to make you sick, or whether it's going to kill you. This is the case for everything you ever buy.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq What you can depend on is the greed of the provider of the food. If his food is shit, you wont come back. We do business all day long with different people simply because we DO trust them.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 The provider of the food isn't omniscient either. He doesn't know exactly how the food will taste or exactly what it will do to people.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq Lets assume nobody has any confidence or fath in any business transactions. If there was that total lack of faith, business wouldnt happen. But it does. There is faith, whether you see it or not. This confidence is essential, and there is a very high degree of it, here, in the US.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 What does any of that have to do with transactions being mutually beneficial? The transactions can't be mutually beneficial unless both parties KNOW EVERYTHING about what is being traded. Faith doesn't give anyone any knowledge and has no relevance to the discussion at all.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq All transactions seem to be mutually beneficial at the time. Perhaps you may have an issue with it later, but if there was so much fear in society to being ripped off all the time, no business would occur. It does. Billions of mutually beneficial transactions a day. Businesses that fuck up, dont make things right wont prosper well.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 "All transactions seem to be mutually beneficial at the time." Yes, now you have it right.
Business occurs because people's lives depend on it. People need food and shelter and healthcare. Transactions occur because ads on TV brainwash people. All this is despite lots of fear in society.
Billions of transactions a day that seem to be mutually beneficial at the time. Yes.
Businesses that mess up won't prosper well, unless they can tell people that it wasn't their fault.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq Maybe you hate MecDonalds food, you had one, you think it sucked. Now, you dont go there anymore. 310 million Americans doing that, over all the businesses in the nation, is a powerful force, to build, and destroy. We all NEED things to live, and will die without some of them. Others are mere conveniences. But, we only make transactions that we have faith are in our own benefit, and the sellers do the same. It is mutually beneficial, or they wouldnt occur.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 "Maybe you hate MecDonalds food, you had one, you think it sucked. Now, you dont go there anymore."
But I just completed a voluntary transaction that was not mutually beneficial.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq The exception to the rule does not make the rule. We all learn WHERE we prefer to buy our burgers.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 You said ALL voluntary transactions are mutually beneficial. If there's any exception, then that's not true.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq The point of Marxists is that one side of a transaction is exploiting the other. That there is a winner, and a loser. That is false. The fact that McDonalds may burn a hamburger now and then, or someone really doesnt enjoy catsup, mustard, and pickle based burgers, doesnt change the issue being debated. So, if it makes you happy, I will readily agree, peoples tastes are different, and burgers get burned. Now, how about the actual fucking POINT?
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 My only point this entire time is that the statement you made is false.
beauxq 2 months ago
@beauxq Seems like a lot of effort on the idea that a burger may be served cold.
luvcheney1 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 That was your idea, not mine.
beauxq 2 months ago
@luvcheney1 So, there is no conflit between the worker and the guy who owns the factory/comapny/the working place? There is no conflict between a workers salary and the capitalists profits? there is no conflict between the workers intrerest in a short labourday vs the capitalists intrest in producing as much as possible to the shortest exent of time? Are those just fictional? ^^ If that is so... how come the workers dont earn more?
SociusSvitjod 1 month ago
@SociusSvitjod Supply- demand model, a simple graph everyone claims to know, answers all your stupid questions. Wages & conditions are determined between the balance of worker, & employer. Both sides are represented. Many employers, & many workers make exploitation by either impossible. 3rd world low wages reflect a huge surplus of excess labor & as greedy capitalists exploit them by more factories, the surplus dries up, and wages rise. US, Japan, China, are examples of this.
luvcheney1 1 month ago
@wmh1982: Your logic is complete nonsense, because you just called mathematics "nonsense". The relations A>B and B>A can't ever exist in the same time, that assuming that you, capitalists, have the logical skills of a 7 year old kid... Trades actually occur voluntarily only in one case, and that is A>B, with B being the value the buyer gets and A the value the trader gets in a trade exchange. Sure, for the buyer it might seem that he/she is advantaged by the exchange, but this doesn't change
Vict0r1984 3 months ago
The dualistic sense of self as being seperate from others is what imbues cold and brutal natural law onto all modes of civilization.
PrimeConsciousness 3 months ago
This an actor in a play. It is a scene from Howard Zinn's play MARK in Soho NYC.
OsirisIxchel 3 months ago 2
wow, did not know they had cameras in those times.
kvlo1986 3 months ago
lefties ae weak. righties a strong. lefties fail to deliver and trigger right dictatorships.
the left ight two step is illusion. look at the pact between nazi germany and soviet russia. it was not an accident. nazis lot. commies won. ussr fell. usa i falling. china is not communist vr state capitalism. the answer is anachism-think gandhi, etc.
if we dont wake up soon and refuse to serve the state-we will perish.
deja2056 4 months ago
@skilo1983
We don't have capitalism right now. In fact, we have almost the exact opposite, and it's the lack of capitalism that is the reason why we're in trouble. Big government, tons of regulation, high taxation, bank bail-outs and corporate bail-outs. All of that is NOT capitalism, it's socialism. I'm sick and tired of people giving capitalism all the blame when it's the socialist policies that brought us in this mess. The whole crisis is caused by big government and their deficit spending.
ApocDevTeam 4 months ago
@ApocDevTeam Capitalism must have parts of socialism or it would collapse completely, This is why we have welfare to keep the increasing number of poor in this country from going crazy and rioting.
Capitalism on its own only lasted until 1929 where it collapsed, From there a hybrid capitalist/socialist system came to be wich is what we have now.
The problem with capitalism is it caters to people with the most capital wich eventually leads to a 2 class society of super rich and super poor.
skilo1983 4 months ago
@skilo1983
It's funny, socialists always recognize the problems just like capitalists do. Except that socialists don't realize that the problems that exist are caused by the very thinking they advocate. I suggest you watch some videos from Milton Friedman about capitalism.
ApocDevTeam 4 months ago
@ApocDevTeam You are jumping to wildly uniformed conclusions.
I never said i was a socialist. The only thing i agree with marx on is that capitalism is doomed to fail, that dosent mean im a socialist or a communist.
The kind of economic model we need cant be brought about by voting for elitist politicians in rigged elections, The change we need is a social change, The way we look at the world needs to change.
Check out the venus project.
skilo1983 4 months ago
@ApocDevTeam I understand that the venus project is greatly flawed but still i think it was worth mentioning because some aspects of it are a step in the right direction.
Some other aspects of it are a joke though lol you cant expect people to turn into robots and all come together one day and hold hands.
skilo1983 4 months ago
@ApocDevTeam but then that would be facisim
Atritionist 3 months ago
@skilo1983 There have been much worse times then there are now. And collapses that are worse then this one.
One shouldnt be to quick about claiming that the system is collapsing, because its not really collapsing. Have you seen anyone die of hunger in the wall street protest?
Thats a real collapse.
gulbirk 4 months ago
@gulbirk It would have collapsed already if it where not for socialist welfare programs keeping it going. A large chunk of the middle class is now poor and the poor cant afford to buy consumer goods the way the middle class did and since we are mainly an import country now we rely on consumerism to survive.
The occupy protests are the poor in this country waking up.
skilo1983 4 months ago
@skilo1983 """It would have collapsed already if it where not for socialist welfare programs keeping it going"" that is very true, I forgot about that.
"The occupy protests are the poor in this country waking up."" Even though I want to agree with that soooooo much, I fear the opposite. In light of the protest guys like Ron Paul gain popularity.
gulbirk 4 months ago
John Savage ?
LandingCraft1969 4 months ago
@LandingCraft1969 BNW
tenseman08 4 months ago
Aww shit is carlz mark, play it cool nigs
EmperorOfMars 5 months ago
thats not a german accent thats some kind of russian. but marx was german.
jimtheripper 5 months ago
@jimtheripper He was from a Jewish family too, that probably explains the accent...
ComradeFolski 4 months ago
I like Marx, but I also like Rand. She would agree somewhat to what he is saying here, especially in the case of art where it is no longer about talent but who has the biggest pair of breast and whom happens to have the right facial structure.
messiahisgay 5 months ago
Possibly it shouldn't be an either or economy. The social democracies that use a combination of socialism and free enterprise have the highest standard of living in the world.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
EconomicIlliteracyNow, as Keynesian and Austrian economics do not provide anything else...
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
taken from a disadvantages party (the customer or the employee who is paid only a small part of the fruits of his/her labour), and trade never "created" and will never "create" wealth! PRODUCTION, whether agricultural, industrial or service-granting, CREATES WEALTH, and then, in a capitalist society, trade comes in and increases the value of the goods/services produced in order to TAKE more wealth from other DISADVANTAGED parties, not to create it.
Your channel should be called
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
benefits both parties, (I would use the sandwich I buy when I am hungry, so I benefit from the trade because I couldn't eat money and they would have no value for me if I couldn't buy anything with them) but the "gross profit" the merchant, the en-gross shop dealer, the warehouse owner and the factory owner added on the initial price of the desired product is the profit they actually steals from me, because I pay more value units for something which would be worth less value! Profit needs to be
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
rates because their corporations look towards losing less money on paying wages!
You see, here on the real world, we've got two things called "mathematics" and "logic", and if you would use this things some times too, rather than spilling propaganda on the masses, you would know that "mutual profit" does NOT exist in trades. If a=b in a trade, then nobody gains a profit, and if a>b or a<b and the trade still occurs, then a party gets a profit and the other one is disadvantaged! Of course trade
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
@Vict0r1984 This is complete nonsense. If A=B in a trade then the trade would not take place. If A>B or B>A the trade would also never voluntarily take place. Different people have different value scales. Those values are dictated among many things, included their supply of that good. Its called Marginal Utility. The only way a voluntary transaction takes place is if each party values what they are receiving higher than what they are giving for it.
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@Vict0r1984 " then when cornered, spew forth venomous "
Hahahahhaah, when did this happen??
Ok, let us see your "intellectual capabilities" on those questions:
1) Name just ONE example where communism was SUCCESSFUL
2) Explain how communism can be realised WITHOUT resulting in a NIGHTMARE of POVERTY, TERROR, DICTATORSHIPS, FAMINES, IN-EFFICIENCIES.
I am ready to pay you 100,000 of my CAPITALISTIC EUROS, if you can :-)
joaquinveyron 3 months ago
(which means using immigrant populations as cheaper workforce) it started to apply especially in the 20th century, thus transferring the poverty of the American proletariat to foreign immigrants and entire foreign countries...
The successes of capitalism are parasite economies which, in spite of offering excellent development standards to their people, (because they do it) drain out of wealth other countries and create massive poverty in Asia, South America and Africa, and have high unemployment
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
as poor as today's third world, and its situation from the 18th century and the early 19th century wasn't ameliorated at all by the massive industrialization and the increase in profits of the late 19th century! It was ameliorated by the WORKERS RIOTS organized by MARXISTS which demanded and obtained rights for the workers, and by the economic colonialism (expressed at first in Liberia and the Philippines, but in the later 20th century everywhere around the third world) and the economic racism
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
not be classified as anything else but dire poverty? Oh yes, there isn't any wealth in those states, because their resources are drained by occidental international corporations, and their people are employed as cheap labour in production facilities, thus "creating" (or more precisely stealing from other nations...) American and western European wealth!
During the times when people actually traded the goods they or their few hired workers from a workshop or a small factory produced, the USA was
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
bring us the USA or the UK as an example, while these countries have a lot of business regulations (like limited daily work time, interdicted child labour, state-controlled education and health care as private schools or clinics are not as frequently found as public ones etc) and there are freer markets like Indonesia, Egypt, Honduras, Argentina, Nigeria or Malaysia which would be a better example of working capitalism. Now, where is the huge wealth of these free markets, as their situation can
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
some do in capitalist Romania.
Also, if you had red my entire series of comments, you would've known that I criticized planned economies as well for not delivering enough consumer goods, and I proposed a form of market socialism with the major economic sectors planned by the state, and free workers' cooperatives and family businesses which would expand the variety of produced goods and services.
Also, it is pretty amusing how you conservatives always brag about the successes of capitalism and
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
There were even 7 members families living in CITIES and they actually had no problems with food! They could not afford buying a car or a seaside vacation, but they had enough food. Nowadays, you can barely feed three children if you are the only employee in the family! (and that if you abstain from buying expensive commodities) Nobody starved during Stalinist Romania, but some do in capitalist Romania. Nobody owned Ferrari cars and huge villas built on national funds in Stalinist Romania, but
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
"trade creates wealth". Anyway, my father was a coal miner and my mother was unemployed (she used to work in a textile factory, but she quit after my birth), so we were VERY FAR AWAY from the party elite, and yes, there were massive goods shortages during Stalinist Romania, but that was mostly because the dictator sold about 90% of the goods in western countries in order to repay some IMF loans he made in the 70s for industrialization, but food, except for meat and bread, was STILL ABUNDANT!
Vict0r1984 6 months ago
@EconomicLiteracyNow: Of course I visited a grocery store in a SOCIALIST - communism was never applied on this Earth - country, (did you?) as I am a ROMANIAN and I lived my early childhood (until 5 years) under Ceausescu's regime, and you would've known that if you had visited my channel in order to check the accuracy of your idea, but I guess the American school of capitalism always teaches you to make wrong unverified assumptions, because, after all, your comments are full of lies like
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
Planned economies have never worked and never will. The social welfare state in Europe and the US is crumbling before our eyes. Socialists and central planners have the fatal conceit that they know MORE than the sum of individuals and the trillions of decisions they make in markets.
Markets are not planned, but arise.
Progress cannot be planned.
Capitalism is NOT a zero-sum game.
Each individual trade benefits both parties or it would not occur.
THIS is how wealth is created.
EconomicLiteracyNow 6 months ago
Employees make their own salary, plus a surplus that builds up in the pockets of business owners. That is the reason why the ruling class can live from the work of people in salary.
independiente0o0 6 months ago
Cooperatives are the proof that capitalist enterprises are not necessary. And since they are not necessary (capitalist corporations), they can disappear from history. Even more now, when capitalism is becoming a hindrance to the economy necessary for the ecological problem.
independiente0o0 6 months ago
Karl Marx should have been killed.
BrettDunbar 7 months ago
the truly hilarious irony of this video is that if it weren't for capitalism no one would be watching this because youtube wouldn't exist and howard zinn wouldn't be able to make let alone make money off of his truly horrible plays and books
TeggDougland 7 months ago
@TeggDougland
Well like anything, those who follow believe that people must give up their own self interests knowing full well the consequences of doing so for the greater good. In essence, in other to create an utopia one must crush free will as it will interfere. Although Marx was smart, he downplayed man's natural inheritance towards self-preservation (or greed) and hoped that shedding off that notion would give rise to utopia. Capitalism gives free will full range to do good or do evil.
avdquick 6 months ago
Resource Based Economy, anyone?
LoveImagineCreate 7 months ago 27
@LoveImagineCreate Fucking right!
ooohpie 4 months ago
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CAPITALISM creates ELITE CRIMINALS. DRUG LORDS. INEQUALITY. INSECURITY. GREED. RUTHLESS COMMUNISM. NWO. NAZI. TERRORISM. LAZY PEOPLE. REBEL POLITICIAN. ANARCHY. worst is WAR etc.. etc..
CAPITALISM was designed only for CORRUPT OPPORTUNISTIC MANIPULATIVE LAZY POLITICIAN. BANKERS. LAWYERS. DRUG LORDS. MAGGOT SOCIALITES. CRIMINALS. DICTATORS. RULERS. KING. SULTANATE. EMPEROR etc. etc..
HARD WORKING PEACE LOVING HAPPY HONEST SOCIETY were always the slave victim and poorly starve to death. :(
kopellhinex 4 months ago
Even the idea that 'capitalism' created anything good is a total fallacy. Technology has given us 'advances' and those were from science. Can't say a lot of our advances have been well executed though..
xDecember1964 7 months ago
It fails people.... it doesn't work in the real world.... one day you will get what you ask for. You are all fools!
sirsean1227 8 months ago
The only thing about socialist that I've seen is that they cease to be socialist once they get rich, to be a socialist you have to forget about individuality, be part of the mass, but, a thing very important is that nobody is equal, we can be equal biologycally, but everyone is different in their needs, dreams and goals. The quid of this problem may radicate in the search of an equillibrium, because socialist have proven to be a failure and capitalism goes the same way to fail.
Lonemann2008 8 months ago
@Lonemann2008
exactly, Marx never took into account individual needs, everyone has needs and wants, until those are satisfied Socialism will never work, because its purely based on distribution, (take from the haves to the have not's and repeat to continue balancing the scales). Capitalism for its supposed 'evil' gives a person the means to his ends by his own free will and judgement. Therefore capitalism takes into account Free will, while socialism in other to work free will must be gone.
avdquick 6 months ago
, but Marxism is not necessary characterized by planned economies. The planned economy is the production of Bolshevism and Leninism, but Marxism advocates only for the control of the workers over the means of production, and this could be done as well with free market elements as workers-cooperatives... A Marxist democracy would be better than any of the previously mentioned systems, as it would provide both better wages and more economical choices!
Vict0r1984 8 months ago
you couldn't even afford 1% of what you could own if you get a profitable career, but you get to choose the products and services you like rather than being obligated to buy what the state sells you). Planned economies are better than free markets for personal prosperity if you live in poor countries, (since capitalism would fail to bring you basic necessities) while free markets are better if you live in rich countries, (since planned economies would fail to bring you enough economical choices)
Vict0r1984 8 months ago
@Vict0r1984
You have obviously never visited a grocery store in a communist country or talked to anyone who has lived under communism (outside the ruling party elite). Yeltsin was astounded when he visited a Houston supermarket. He could not believe the abundance of products people could buy, and how attractive it looked. Gorbachev visited England and asked Margaret Thatcher "saw to it" that people got food. She didn't; prices did, and the Brits ate a lot better than the Soviets.
EconomicLiteracyNow 6 months ago
@Vict0r1984 But you are forgetting one thing. >The free market in the western rich part of the world leads to an over production and over use of items, thus creating a non-sustainable enviroment that is bound to collapse, and that CAN have NO chance of comming close to feeding even half the world.
In other words, I will rather live in a state where I have to eat fish on wednesdays then ending man kind.
gulbirk 4 months ago
living in capitalist economies) but you would never end up owning a villa, a personal yacht and an ivory tower administrating your worldwide possessions from 200m above the surface of the Earth... Within a planned economy, you have more money but fewer services, (which means you afford to buy almost everything you could own if you get a profitable career like university teaching) while in capitalism you have very much services because of the competitive market, but fewer money, (which means that
Vict0r1984 8 months ago
workforce... Second, China decreased severely its human development level after adopting Deng Xiaoping's capitalist reforms from 1979, but, then again, managed to eliminate shortages and bring a wider variety of goods. The only valuable reason to support capitalism as an employee is, in fact, your small chance of actually getting rich, and the better variety of choice in commodities. Within a planned economy, you would never die because of hunger,(unlike the case of 50% of the World's population
Vict0r1984 8 months ago
given by a bigger variety of goods and services for every customer, but on financial terms, it spreads much more poverty to the masses than every dictatorial socialist system ever did. Moreover, within a socialist economy, not only the wages are higher, but the profits which are kept by the state are used for other social advantages like free apartments for the employees of different institutions, free health care for everyone, free education for everyone, or absolute employment of the national
Vict0r1984 8 months ago
@joaquinveyron: Go talk about something you understands, since economics are certainly not in this category! First of all, my friend, the collapse of every planned economy brought afterwards decreased purchasing power parity, decreased wages, and a lower GDP in the respective country, so it never bought poverty and famine. Check any country of the former Warsaw pact and you'll see the same economic failure in the 90s. The only advantage a free market economy brings is the multitude of choice
Vict0r1984 8 months ago
to all of you praising democracy heres a few fun facts. in 2050 we will be twice as many on earth in 2025 70% of the worlds population will be in shortages of water we can at any moment have a ice age coming since we cannot predict how the balance between salt and normal water is democracy is doing almost nothing to prevent a collapse of society and the status Que tell me what makes democracy so great seems like the policy is if we just ignore it it will go away.
LittleCommi 9 months ago
@LittleCommi by the way im a lover of human rights free speech and voting.
LittleCommi 9 months ago
@LittleCommi
"in 2050 we will be twice as many on earth in 2025 70% of the worlds population "
What???? And then??? What has this to do with the question of whether communism helps or not??
Yes, I know colmmies love the poor and the hungry, because ANYWHERE where commies are in power they created millions and millions of new hungry and poor. GREAT SUCCESS!!!
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@joaquinveyron im not trying to promote communism im trying to point out one of democracy's many flaws you seem to be convinced that democracy is flawless or at least as flawless as it can get which is not true democracy cannot overcome the next 50 years we need change i think a society where we remove boarders and secure the lower class as well as everyone else and govern in the interest of all then we just might overcome it look at it this way the one with the strongest arms carry the most
LittleCommi 9 months ago
@LittleCommi
DIpshit, who is saying that democracy is flawless. In democracy, for instance, you actually have to argue with leftish, brain amputated dipshits like you. In democracy we actually have to give people like you who have got no education, intelligence, arguments whatsoever a right to vote and a right to exist. How can you say that democracy is flawless? Nevertheless, it is by lightyears better than any COMMUNIST SHITHOLE!
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@joaquinveyron i did not say democracy was flawless i said the oppest you dident even read my argument your just as ignorant as you can get also im not under education im pretty well educated but your logik is so fucked that i dont even bother having an argument with you
LittleCommi 9 months ago
@LittleCommi
Yeah, do it, dipshit. If I were you, I wouldnt try to have an argument with me either, because a leftish dipshit like you only would lose it on the ARGUMENT, LOGIC and FACTS side. No worries, you are certainly not the only one :-)
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@joaquinveyron ...
LittleCommi 9 months ago
CAPITALISM IS STILL PREPARING ITS OWN DEATH!
thermokipiatsi 9 months ago
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"And due fact the Soviet Union wasn't even Communist y"
Ah, really?? It had all what commies were longing for, at least the poolitical goals they were persuing were quintessentially communistic:
1) abolition of private property/entrepreneurship
2) collectivization of teh economy
3) planned economy
4) "classless society"
Dipshit, this is what ALL COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLES were/are based on, not only this ROTTEN SU, ALL!!
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@joaquinveyron Uhm Sir, who do you quote? I never said that South Korea is bad...
And also North Korea is not a classless society... Its a great way to put the Dictatorial Capitalism...
There is The Ruler,
The Fooler (Media and properganda)
The Shooter (The soldiers keeping the people in check)
The upper class who feasts because they dont rebel.
And then the lower class who cries for true freedom...
If that is your definition of Classles, Please look it up somewhere else :)
andreas55k 9 months ago
@andreas55k
Yeah, communism.
All the examples of COMMUNIST SHITHOLES are of course communistic. What else? Although people like you might dream differently about communism, COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLES liek North Korea are the DIRECT and LOGIC consequence of putting/trying to put communistic policies into practice.
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@joaquinveyron
Have you Read the manifesto?
andreas55k 9 months ago
@andreas55k
Boy, I ve not only read it. Contrary to communist I ve UNDERSTOOD the manifesto!
Answer my questions!
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@joaquinveyron
I understand it as well...
Dictatorship of the proletarians does not mean A person, or A party... It means A People... I.E. Democracy...
andreas55k 9 months ago
@andreas55k
"It means A People... I.E. Democracy"
Yeah, boy, in a democracy people have fundamental rights, one of which is to make one s own decisions about one s life, including job, profession, property, company. Allowing these rights to individual which is part of a FREE society leads to INEQUALITY, which communists hate as much as the devil hates holy water. Thus, a classless society cannot exist in FREEDOM, boy. That s why all the COMMUNIST SHITHOLES are SHITHOLES.
Next patient please.
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@joaquinveyron A free society can bring both equality and inequality... Depends on how its implemented...
As i said a Democracy... The people always gather together and takes decisions then... That is a democracy... Not that people we want to speak for us, cause then its not your words... Its your words as seen through others...
Yes every person has rights... And those rights should include. 1. A home. 2. A job. 3. A say in the world....
Those are in Capitalism Commodities... Not rights...
andreas55k 9 months ago
@andreas55k
"Depends on how its implemented..."
Hahahahahah, an unintelligent boy like you does not even know how to do it, THEORETICALLY, left alone that LEFTISH DIPSHITS all around the world tried to implement this "heaven" already for 100 years, and ALWAYS, ALWAYS the result has been: COMMUNISTHIC SHITHOLES, no matter when, where and how.
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@joaquinveyron You know without us Leftish dupshits, you would still earn that witch answers to 1 dollar a day... And there would still be a King to control all...
The world would be divided between Rulers and ruled...
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@andreas55k
"eftish dupshits, you would still earn that witch answers to 1 dollar a day.."
????? hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahhaha ... dipshit, with leftish idiots deciding about things, we all would have wages as in COMMUNIST SHITHOLES, such as in Mao China e.g. where are worker earned 0,10 EUR per day!!! Since CAPITALISTIC reforms have been applied in China now for 30 years, China s GDP and wages have increased by the factor of 60!!!
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@andreas55k
Really, kid, go back to grammar school. Learn solme facts. YOu are really making a complete clown out of yourself.
joaquinveyron 9 months ago
@joaquinveyron
Right back at you sir... :)
Both our opinions are equally valid, and we cant agree on anything...
A lot of your words have been in my mind outrageous, so i guess we can keep talking forever :P
andreas55k 9 months ago