So GW-thank u for reminding me that I am NOT ALONE & that 2 question is human, intelligent & that finally people r questioning that which has remain unchallenged for around 66 years. R u Atheist? I am. The time of the doubters & questioners, independent thinkers & truth seekers is NOW! Adults with imaginary friends r no longer accepted without 2 question! It is the seekers of reason/humanity/PROVEN tested facts time 2 SPEAK OUT FREELY & ADMIT WE DON'T RESPECT ANTIQUATED BLIND FAITH.
On another of ur videos I posted HEAPS,as feel so strongly about it. I'm so glad there's a global movement against the 12 steps cults.They've caused guilt, feelings of failure 4 so many; & unrealistic beliefs r pushed, conformity encouraged. Brain washing is accepted (My brain needed washing), personality changes occur, myths perpetrated, science trotted out to a group that’s often under-educated & when told addiction is a disease of the body by other members, hey accept it as fact. A CULT sad.
The National Institute On Drug Addiction just published an article titled "Principles of Drug Addiction Treatment: A RESEARCH-BASED Guide," click on "Principles of Effective Treatment" and go to #9 --> "Many drug-addicted individuals also have other mental disorders. Because drug abuse and addiction—both of which are MENTAL DISORDERS—often co-occur with other mental illnesses, patients presenting with one condition..."
@anonymousgailbrown That same article that I mentioned does point out that 12-step does have a place in addiction recovery road but it's not a medically-backed source of recovery. It's a "complement" or "added layer" to recovery but its not medically supported, unlike what 12-step states through its dogma, indoctrination, and media propaganda. Look at the "Frequently Asked Questions" link, scroll to the bottom where it mentions 12-step.
Hi Godless Weasel, I'm a Godless Australian too, & proud of it! I'm a deprogrammed member of NA. I once threw myself into it,until I realised that GOD & addiction have NOTHING 2 DO WITH EACH OTHER.My friends didn't understand me.Of recent years lapsing members trust me with their truths, as I put it into perspective: u used? So u didn't kill anyone? Big deal!Most humans use SOME drug at some time, & the legal ones r worse than the illicit.Praying=doing NOTHING.Don't go 2 NA,its not working 4 u.
Logical , cognitive contradiction . Common sense is enough to get death threats from aa . I got like 200 of em . I was trained not to panic . The more you learn , the more responsible you have to be . I won't do shit about a threat . I'll kill you if you come at me in a threatening manner.
@longwang2000 Another brainwashed 12 step cult member. Learn the truth of ur fellowship. Lies have been told starting with Bill W 2 this day. RESEARCH. Use the brain ur higher power gave u. The 12 steps r from a defunct Christian cult (Oxford Group), there is no scientific/genetic evidence 4 the disease concept, Bill invented that. Members speak a language/lingo that only other members understand;...cont...
@longwang2000..cont. independent thought is scoffed at, labelling oneself an "addict/alcoholic" after 20+ yrs of abstinence (greater than the time spent using) is limiting & members r actually PROUD of this "disease." CANCER IS A DISEASE. MS IS A DISEASE. Being a drug pig is greedy & undisciplined. Ur NOT special, u've believed a 66 yr LIE. (And Bill W DIED DUE TO HIS SMOKING ADDICTION WHICH HE & BOB TOLD MEMBERS WAS OK, & HE WAS TOO PROUD TO ADMIT HE WAS WRONG. facts don't lie.
@longwang2000 The National Insitute On Drug Addiction, a MEDICALLY and EVIDENCE-BASED organization just released an article that states where 12-step fits in with addiction recovery, titled "Principles of Drug Addiction Treatment: A Reasearch-Based Guide." 12-step IS NOT a medically proven method of treatment, just a compliment to medical therapies & treatment pre-12-step group therapy. Check your FACTS. 12-step is NOT a genetic disease, its a MENTAL DISORDER.
@longwang2000 By your immature response, you still have a long way to go to recovery. Hope you find the strength to recover on your own will rather than by the pressures of the 12-step "family." Keep them around if you want but don't let them be the end all be all to the rest of your life resisting addiction.
@Anime3Luv3r2010 cont... Prayer is cheap & easy. Supposed Christians have done this for 2,000 yrs. A true Jesus person sacrifices in order that others less fortunate BENEFIT. Atheists like me do good because it is caring & kind, & life is fleeting & precious. I pity 12 step folk except the long time members who've made a business out of rehabs etc. No cost/funding required, send residents 2 NA meetings every day - they're FREE! Sponsors? FREE COUNSELLORS (danger! No qualification!
Oh my god, lol! This sounds JUST like a person who I loved whole-heartedly. First the drugs consumed him and now 12-step. He sounds like a 12-step robot, constantly rambling off text crammed in his head by sponsors, the Big Book, blah blah blah. When he was on drugs, I just wanted to scream "somebody wake him up!" and now he's on 12-step and I still am screaming, "somebody wake him up!" He could literally be the mascot for this video.
@supaoompaloompa So true. 5 yrs ago I did a 12 step rehab.For 8 months I was the only 1 who admitted their atheism, never identified as an addict, was honest that I didn't believe in the disease CONCEPT, didn't count clean time, had no intention of doing the steps, & avoided the cult lingo/rhetoric. In the end, relapsing members would confide in me. I didn’t make their slip a catastrophy.They’d tell me their sponsor's advice, 2 pray." My answer "how's that working for u?" cont...
@anonymousgailbrown ...cont...Never good. I told them to ignore the advice & get a job/begin study (NA advice: do only NA for the 1st 12 months. BUMS), to ring people, not pray to a god who never answers, but put in action, & don’t count time, it’s a set up, & isn’t it clean 4 2day? Praying is an easy answer and a great way to do nothing at all but feel superior & like u've made an effort. Lies.... cont...
OK, let me get this straight, I'm not the only one who's been cyberstalked by brainwashed steppers? Been insulted with terms known only to devout steppers? ("Dry drunk" and "terminal uniqueness" come to mind--with an added "look up those definitions", as if these are real concepts)
WOW! Thanks for making me feel a bit less alone, seriously!
@LexeconKiddo I've had YEARS of disrespect 4 my atheism & that I needed to change my thinking at these cults.I didn't cease drug use 2 lose independent thought. Wanna have fun?? Get onto an AA/NA site (eg.facebook page) & send messages like this: "questioning AA/NA? The disease concept? Family/friends don't understand what ur saying? Every1 telling u to pray? But when u do, u get no answers? UR NOT ALONE. ur in a CULT. There's life after the 12 steps...ABUSE WILL ANSWER U!
LOL. I told a stepper just last week, in person, he was not really a alcoholic because he had only gotten drunk once in his life. He said that in a way, he was, because hes a drug addict and has the same flawed thinking. I pointed out how crazy that sounds to sombody who is not brainwashed like he was. The look on his face was of pure horror that anyone would question his holy program. LOL It was great, and he still could not defend it.
This is great.... Just recently went through this haha
aa should stand for something else
it is full of dishonest, ignorant, arrogant, misleading, abusive, predators we should come up with what aa really stands for not alcoholics anonymous, I think assholes anon is too kind, we should come up with something else
@godlessweasel spot on. I went into AA/NA to stop using and it worked somehow,maybe because I had enough, then I'm told I can't trust my mind or myself and my feelings. That I have to devote my life to serving God. After 11 yrs I am slowly breaking away from the insanity of the program.
@breda83 what AA meetings did you go to ? please tell me so i can stay away from that AA meeting i never heard i had to be devoted to god . But some peoples lives get so fucked up that they have only one thing to turn too and thats god . AA really works for people who lives were mangled . You havent had your ass kicked enough to want AA .
@TheMarkTheShark86 This is cult-speak if I ever heard it. You sound frightened & very angry son. I am over 111/2 years without a drink or a drug so I must be doing someting right outside AA/NA. AA is all GOD and quasi-cult thought. The amount of fucked-up people with a lot of years in AA/NA is astounding.
@breda83 AA isnt all god its about helping other people , LOL im a real alcoholic lady i dont stop drinking i get stopped my hat is off too you for stopping on your own I laugh when AA gets called a Cult then i go to AA meetings and people are just minding there own damn business just trying to stay sober . But if you seen the way i drank and drugged and the person i was before you would not believe the person i am today im not a bible god preaching maniac Cult have leaders and charge money
@breda83 well not the AA meeting i go I mean me myself i cant stand it when someone comes in preaching god I have a god of my understanding dont get me wrong but i dont preach it either your right though But do you think the thoughts come from to go too AA meetings ?? Do you think its from the drunk himself?? the only thing on a drunks mind is geting another bottle ?? So where did the thought come to get help?
@TheMarkTheShark86 I have known drunk & Addicts with other things on their mind, a lot of intelligent ones in good jobs so I think it comes from too much meetings myself listening to the same old dogma all the time. I am happy for you that you like the Program and it helps you but for me and countless others it got too much and we just want to live our lives dogma & God free.
@Jessecooperlevy Aye like convincing people that if they do not attend they haven't got a hope in hell of staying sober and will probably die or develop Korsakov's Disease. In fact your entire family and social circle (if you still have one outside of AA) are sick as dogs with something which used to be known as caring about people but they're now calling 'co-dependency' and also need a 12 step program. Google AAWSO tax returns and wake the fuck up. Its a business and a con.
@godlessweasel The worst discrimination I received 4 being atheist was from NA. My beliefs were dismissed, but 5 yrs ago, less shy, more confident & mature, when I entered an NA based & staffed rehab (1st 2 accept me, & I was desperate) I didn't hide or dismiss my views & knowledge, like I did at 24. I admitted that I was atheist, I refused to get a sponsor nor do the steps,& that I didn't believe in the disease concept,altho conceded that remaining abstinent is easier than controlled use .
@Jessecooperlevy AA & the 12 step offshoots especially NA-these are CULTS. The doctrines originate from a Christian sect that Bill W was in, & when he left he created AA. He freely admitted that the 12 steps were taken directly from this sect (named The Oxford Group, now defunct).Thus, the God referred to in the steps is actually the God who is the father of Jesus (& the Jews/Islam’s god-3,000 yrs of death / torture 4 1 god...I digress). The 12 step group comes b4 the individual: cult norms.
@Zerafinel & 4 fear of rejection. They've lost the ability to converse with those NOT in these "fellowships," their thinking/language etc is so geared to the cult they just don't know how to either live without drugs/alcohol, or exist in mainstream society. They even start to glorify their fictitious disease as without it they “wouldn't have the steps & people who understand me.”Often it's said "when I came here, I felt like I came home." I felt like I was surrounded with religious nuts.
I know... they've even had a go at our pets! I'd love them to meet Sid Vicious ferret. The little man can somehow sense whether or not people are nasty, and he's not concerned about using his teeth on them if they are. I first noticed this when he ended up hanging from my former sponsor's chin... I thought it was really out of character, but then someone at a show who was selling ferret kits who were too small to be away from their mother received the same treatment! Sidney's not daft lol
@godlessweasel It is a place where predators lurk. Either long term sober members who lord over the new ones, or make money from their rehab business/counselling (doing the 12 steps & not using 4 years is NOT a qualification) because sending residents to NA/AA is FREE so Funding is readily obtained from governments due to lower priced grants, older members become the lovers & sponsors of the new & vulnerable, & they ALL think the disease concept is science. No, its a CONCEPT.
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So GW-thank u for reminding me that I am NOT ALONE & that 2 question is human, intelligent & that finally people r questioning that which has remain unchallenged for around 66 years. R u Atheist? I am. The time of the doubters & questioners, independent thinkers & truth seekers is NOW! Adults with imaginary friends r no longer accepted without 2 question! It is the seekers of reason/humanity/PROVEN tested facts time 2 SPEAK OUT FREELY & ADMIT WE DON'T RESPECT ANTIQUATED BLIND FAITH.
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
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anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
On another of ur videos I posted HEAPS,as feel so strongly about it. I'm so glad there's a global movement against the 12 steps cults.They've caused guilt, feelings of failure 4 so many; & unrealistic beliefs r pushed, conformity encouraged. Brain washing is accepted (My brain needed washing), personality changes occur, myths perpetrated, science trotted out to a group that’s often under-educated & when told addiction is a disease of the body by other members, hey accept it as fact. A CULT sad.
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
The National Institute On Drug Addiction just published an article titled "Principles of Drug Addiction Treatment: A RESEARCH-BASED Guide," click on "Principles of Effective Treatment" and go to #9 --> "Many drug-addicted individuals also have other mental disorders. Because drug abuse and addiction—both of which are MENTAL DISORDERS—often co-occur with other mental illnesses, patients presenting with one condition..."
supaoompaloompa 1 month ago
@anonymousgailbrown That same article that I mentioned does point out that 12-step does have a place in addiction recovery road but it's not a medically-backed source of recovery. It's a "complement" or "added layer" to recovery but its not medically supported, unlike what 12-step states through its dogma, indoctrination, and media propaganda. Look at the "Frequently Asked Questions" link, scroll to the bottom where it mentions 12-step.
supaoompaloompa 1 month ago
Hi Godless Weasel, I'm a Godless Australian too, & proud of it! I'm a deprogrammed member of NA. I once threw myself into it,until I realised that GOD & addiction have NOTHING 2 DO WITH EACH OTHER.My friends didn't understand me.Of recent years lapsing members trust me with their truths, as I put it into perspective: u used? So u didn't kill anyone? Big deal!Most humans use SOME drug at some time, & the legal ones r worse than the illicit.Praying=doing NOTHING.Don't go 2 NA,its not working 4 u.
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Logical , cognitive contradiction . Common sense is enough to get death threats from aa . I got like 200 of em . I was trained not to panic . The more you learn , the more responsible you have to be . I won't do shit about a threat . I'll kill you if you come at me in a threatening manner.
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randomperson110 2 months ago
'12 step debating techniques'
- goes on to write 24 steps; half of them are to lie though :) -
Jackyboy12345FTW 3 months ago
Another Asshole here shjowing a fucing retarded video
longwang2000 3 months ago
@longwang2000 Another brainwashed 12 step cult member. Learn the truth of ur fellowship. Lies have been told starting with Bill W 2 this day. RESEARCH. Use the brain ur higher power gave u. The 12 steps r from a defunct Christian cult (Oxford Group), there is no scientific/genetic evidence 4 the disease concept, Bill invented that. Members speak a language/lingo that only other members understand;...cont...
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
@longwang2000..cont. independent thought is scoffed at, labelling oneself an "addict/alcoholic" after 20+ yrs of abstinence (greater than the time spent using) is limiting & members r actually PROUD of this "disease." CANCER IS A DISEASE. MS IS A DISEASE. Being a drug pig is greedy & undisciplined. Ur NOT special, u've believed a 66 yr LIE. (And Bill W DIED DUE TO HIS SMOKING ADDICTION WHICH HE & BOB TOLD MEMBERS WAS OK, & HE WAS TOO PROUD TO ADMIT HE WAS WRONG. facts don't lie.
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
@longwang2000 The National Insitute On Drug Addiction, a MEDICALLY and EVIDENCE-BASED organization just released an article that states where 12-step fits in with addiction recovery, titled "Principles of Drug Addiction Treatment: A Reasearch-Based Guide." 12-step IS NOT a medically proven method of treatment, just a compliment to medical therapies & treatment pre-12-step group therapy. Check your FACTS. 12-step is NOT a genetic disease, its a MENTAL DISORDER.
supaoompaloompa 1 month ago
@longwang2000 By your immature response, you still have a long way to go to recovery. Hope you find the strength to recover on your own will rather than by the pressures of the 12-step "family." Keep them around if you want but don't let them be the end all be all to the rest of your life resisting addiction.
supaoompaloompa 1 month ago
I LIKE IT MAN!! IMA TOTALLY USE THIS IN MY CLASS DEBATE!!
Anime3Luv3r2010 3 months ago 2
@Anime3Luv3r2010 cont... Prayer is cheap & easy. Supposed Christians have done this for 2,000 yrs. A true Jesus person sacrifices in order that others less fortunate BENEFIT. Atheists like me do good because it is caring & kind, & life is fleeting & precious. I pity 12 step folk except the long time members who've made a business out of rehabs etc. No cost/funding required, send residents 2 NA meetings every day - they're FREE! Sponsors? FREE COUNSELLORS (danger! No qualification!
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
Oh my god, lol! This sounds JUST like a person who I loved whole-heartedly. First the drugs consumed him and now 12-step. He sounds like a 12-step robot, constantly rambling off text crammed in his head by sponsors, the Big Book, blah blah blah. When he was on drugs, I just wanted to scream "somebody wake him up!" and now he's on 12-step and I still am screaming, "somebody wake him up!" He could literally be the mascot for this video.
supaoompaloompa 4 months ago 2
@supaoompaloompa So true. 5 yrs ago I did a 12 step rehab.For 8 months I was the only 1 who admitted their atheism, never identified as an addict, was honest that I didn't believe in the disease CONCEPT, didn't count clean time, had no intention of doing the steps, & avoided the cult lingo/rhetoric. In the end, relapsing members would confide in me. I didn’t make their slip a catastrophy.They’d tell me their sponsor's advice, 2 pray." My answer "how's that working for u?" cont...
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@anonymousgailbrown ...cont...Never good. I told them to ignore the advice & get a job/begin study (NA advice: do only NA for the 1st 12 months. BUMS), to ring people, not pray to a god who never answers, but put in action, & don’t count time, it’s a set up, & isn’t it clean 4 2day? Praying is an easy answer and a great way to do nothing at all but feel superior & like u've made an effort. Lies.... cont...
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
OK, let me get this straight, I'm not the only one who's been cyberstalked by brainwashed steppers? Been insulted with terms known only to devout steppers? ("Dry drunk" and "terminal uniqueness" come to mind--with an added "look up those definitions", as if these are real concepts)
WOW! Thanks for making me feel a bit less alone, seriously!
LexeconKiddo 5 months ago
@LexeconKiddo I've had YEARS of disrespect 4 my atheism & that I needed to change my thinking at these cults.I didn't cease drug use 2 lose independent thought. Wanna have fun?? Get onto an AA/NA site (eg.facebook page) & send messages like this: "questioning AA/NA? The disease concept? Family/friends don't understand what ur saying? Every1 telling u to pray? But when u do, u get no answers? UR NOT ALONE. ur in a CULT. There's life after the 12 steps...ABUSE WILL ANSWER U!
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
LOL. I told a stepper just last week, in person, he was not really a alcoholic because he had only gotten drunk once in his life. He said that in a way, he was, because hes a drug addict and has the same flawed thinking. I pointed out how crazy that sounds to sombody who is not brainwashed like he was. The look on his face was of pure horror that anyone would question his holy program. LOL It was great, and he still could not defend it.
alcoholic84 10 months ago
another asshole here showing this fucken vedio
TheHamathome 10 months ago
7 and 8 hahahah
sydmarissa 1 year ago
Sounds more like "how to be a good internet troll" to me. LOL
Turdbuckethat 1 year ago
Sounds more like republicans than 12 steppers :)
scroff 1 year ago
@scroff LMAO very similar animals :)
godlessweasel 1 year ago 7
This is great.... Just recently went through this haha
aa should stand for something else
it is full of dishonest, ignorant, arrogant, misleading, abusive, predators we should come up with what aa really stands for not alcoholics anonymous, I think assholes anon is too kind, we should come up with something else
passionitliberal 1 year ago
yes, good work.
dix345 1 year ago 2
good work keep it up
rexxed33 2 years ago 3
Says it all for me.
Fortunately I only had a few months of this shit in the 80's.
I decided to quit because I wanted to. simple really. I changed my behaviour.
An AA member told me recently I was 'a dry drunk'. I asked him how long he'd been a member of the cult. '13 years' says he.
I asked how long he'd been sober...'Well, I'd be 13 yrs if I'd listened. but I'm 3 yrs cause I've slipped a lot'.
This is the robotic, moronic pish these people come out with!
No1barney1 2 years ago 6
I am more than happy to be a 'dry drunk.' It's much more appealing than being a brainwashed, parrotting eejit.
godlessweasel 2 years ago 8
@godlessweasel spot on. I went into AA/NA to stop using and it worked somehow,maybe because I had enough, then I'm told I can't trust my mind or myself and my feelings. That I have to devote my life to serving God. After 11 yrs I am slowly breaking away from the insanity of the program.
breda83 2 years ago 4
@breda83 what AA meetings did you go to ? please tell me so i can stay away from that AA meeting i never heard i had to be devoted to god . But some peoples lives get so fucked up that they have only one thing to turn too and thats god . AA really works for people who lives were mangled . You havent had your ass kicked enough to want AA .
TheMarkTheShark86 1 year ago
@TheMarkTheShark86 This is cult-speak if I ever heard it. You sound frightened & very angry son. I am over 111/2 years without a drink or a drug so I must be doing someting right outside AA/NA. AA is all GOD and quasi-cult thought. The amount of fucked-up people with a lot of years in AA/NA is astounding.
breda83 1 year ago
@breda83 AA isnt all god its about helping other people , LOL im a real alcoholic lady i dont stop drinking i get stopped my hat is off too you for stopping on your own I laugh when AA gets called a Cult then i go to AA meetings and people are just minding there own damn business just trying to stay sober . But if you seen the way i drank and drugged and the person i was before you would not believe the person i am today im not a bible god preaching maniac Cult have leaders and charge money
TheMarkTheShark86 1 year ago
@TheMarkTheShark86 You do Big Book studying at all by any chance?
Can you "think" for yourself or does your sponser do it for you?
" minding their own damn buisness" don't make me laugh
AA is a quasi-cult and was deemed a religion by the State Supreme Court
yam500 1 year ago
@TheMarkTheShark86 It is 99% GOD orientated.
breda83 1 year ago
@breda83 well not the AA meeting i go I mean me myself i cant stand it when someone comes in preaching god I have a god of my understanding dont get me wrong but i dont preach it either your right though But do you think the thoughts come from to go too AA meetings ?? Do you think its from the drunk himself?? the only thing on a drunks mind is geting another bottle ?? So where did the thought come to get help?
TheMarkTheShark86 1 year ago
@TheMarkTheShark86 I have known drunk & Addicts with other things on their mind, a lot of intelligent ones in good jobs so I think it comes from too much meetings myself listening to the same old dogma all the time. I am happy for you that you like the Program and it helps you but for me and countless others it got too much and we just want to live our lives dogma & God free.
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Sounds more like republicans than 12 steppers :)
scroff 1 year ago
@No1barney1 It's scary ain't it
breda83 1 year ago
i think that AA has more to offer people than that, and I think they're whole "advice kills" thing is brilliant.
Jessecooperlevy 2 months ago
@Jessecooperlevy Aye like convincing people that if they do not attend they haven't got a hope in hell of staying sober and will probably die or develop Korsakov's Disease. In fact your entire family and social circle (if you still have one outside of AA) are sick as dogs with something which used to be known as caring about people but they're now calling 'co-dependency' and also need a 12 step program. Google AAWSO tax returns and wake the fuck up. Its a business and a con.
godlessweasel 2 months ago
@godlessweasel The worst discrimination I received 4 being atheist was from NA. My beliefs were dismissed, but 5 yrs ago, less shy, more confident & mature, when I entered an NA based & staffed rehab (1st 2 accept me, & I was desperate) I didn't hide or dismiss my views & knowledge, like I did at 24. I admitted that I was atheist, I refused to get a sponsor nor do the steps,& that I didn't believe in the disease concept,altho conceded that remaining abstinent is easier than controlled use .
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
@anonymousgailbrown Sounds as though you were probably the only honest one there, staff included :)
godlessweasel 1 month ago
@Jessecooperlevy AA & the 12 step offshoots especially NA-these are CULTS. The doctrines originate from a Christian sect that Bill W was in, & when he left he created AA. He freely admitted that the 12 steps were taken directly from this sect (named The Oxford Group, now defunct).Thus, the God referred to in the steps is actually the God who is the father of Jesus (& the Jews/Islam’s god-3,000 yrs of death / torture 4 1 god...I digress). The 12 step group comes b4 the individual: cult norms.
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
18 is classic. You hear it all the time. It makes people stay in the program long after they've realized something's wrong.
Zerafinel 2 years ago 4
@Zerafinel & 4 fear of rejection. They've lost the ability to converse with those NOT in these "fellowships," their thinking/language etc is so geared to the cult they just don't know how to either live without drugs/alcohol, or exist in mainstream society. They even start to glorify their fictitious disease as without it they “wouldn't have the steps & people who understand me.”Often it's said "when I came here, I felt like I came home." I felt like I was surrounded with religious nuts.
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
fantastic!!
well done & thank you :)
breakfastclub75 2 years ago 5
Thanks!
godlessweasel 2 years ago
Who is this song by?
OneDarkFlame1 2 years ago 2
It's 'Bugger Off!' by 'tis...
godlessweasel 2 years ago
I know... they've even had a go at our pets! I'd love them to meet Sid Vicious ferret. The little man can somehow sense whether or not people are nasty, and he's not concerned about using his teeth on them if they are. I first noticed this when he ended up hanging from my former sponsor's chin... I thought it was really out of character, but then someone at a show who was selling ferret kits who were too small to be away from their mother received the same treatment! Sidney's not daft lol
godlessweasel 2 years ago
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@godlessweasel It is a place where predators lurk. Either long term sober members who lord over the new ones, or make money from their rehab business/counselling (doing the 12 steps & not using 4 years is NOT a qualification) because sending residents to NA/AA is FREE so Funding is readily obtained from governments due to lower priced grants, older members become the lovers & sponsors of the new & vulnerable, & they ALL think the disease concept is science. No, its a CONCEPT.
anonymousgailbrown 1 month ago
Spot on
isegoria1 2 years ago 4
Thanks - I think the song does it lol
godlessweasel 2 years ago
Bugger off, you bastards, bugger off!
LOL
OneDarkFlame1 2 years ago 9
I wish they would!
godlessweasel 2 years ago