I think Cockroach had a steam engine as father and is suffering from the Oedipus(steam variety ) complex.What do you say to this Cockroach?At least yu have an unwavering standpoint.
@HalfBritishBoy It is actually possible that they will bring back steam locomotives in the future. Oil prices are rising, and will probably continue to rise. But many countries including the US still have large coal reserves, enough to last hundreds of years. Some experts speculate that that steam-turbine electric locomotives will become a future reality.
@HalfBritishBoy each steam engine here is a small self contained powerplant, put each engine up on a static mount restore them and run modern efficient dynamos off the disks.
These amazing devices are just sitting there rotting away when they could be preserved and put to some constructive use.
You really should block cockroach! all he does is bitch and complain about how bad these machines are, don't believe half of the things he says, its all bulshit, their are companies in England still building locomotives. he's just a little shit who doesn't have a life! sorry for the foul lanuage, but he realy gets on my nerves whens he talks likes this to us railfans.
Such a shame. Diesels just aren't as..oh...what's the word...awe inspiring as steam engines. So grand, majestic. There are some great looking diesels, to be sure, but I'd take a steam engine over a diesel hands down. Especially a nice European one. U.S. has some good ones, but again, I'll take a Flying Scotsman over a Big Boy any day.
Such a shame. Diesels just aren't as..oh...what's the word...awe inspiring as steam engines. So grand, majestic. There are some great looking diesels, to be sure, but I'd take a steam engine over a diesel hands down. Especially a nice European one. U.S. has some good ones, butel any day again, I'll take a Flying Scotsman over a Big Boy any day.
Could Every One Please Remember that Cockroach2008 Is a Troll who will say any thing to piss People Off, He makes Stuff up as he Goes, Please do not try to argue with him he will just make up more shit, If you just let what he says sit Idle he will starve of entertainment.
Please Remember this Before Replying to him.
He has no back ground in Railroad or Scrapping all Surviving engines in the USA are tracked by multiple Historical Groups. Any Business man would sell for the right Price.
This cockroach guy, is just some idiot with nothing to do than fire people up. If he was a scrapper, do you think he would have the time to sit on the net dishing out insults?
His an attention seeker, who is looking for people who fire up to his comments.
@BlackwidowSD9 its ok i boloco yard for $5,000 and now he can do nothing but sit and watch as i restore them . i went through and alot of them look in pretty good condition i could easily make costom parts for it
thank god these loco's are in the old soviet union away from the hands of dumb losers like cockroach. hence the old and rare rusian decopod in the video
You would not know how much of a relief it is to see someone that is on my side.
And yes, steam power is more powerful, not to mention cheaper, as well as cleaner, provided that the right fuel is burned and the pollutants are properly filtered. In fact, there really isn't a reason to continue to use diesels, aside from the fact that it costs money to replace the diesels with steamers.
The railroads are not clamoring to have steam locomotives built. The only orders are in Britain where they are finding out what losers steam locomotives are. (They are did not learn the first time.)
First accident, they exit! Just a matter of time!
The steam locomotives are now worthy of nothing more than scrap metal, amusements, curiosities & the butt of jokes for their antiquity.
Let's all get happy, steal parts from them, light the cutting torches & clear the scrap yard track for them!
Britians may love steam locomotives, but the railroad does not care for them & the stock holders find them a very poor investment.
I put my money where the returns are greater & steam locomotives are not winners!
Steam locomotives are the butt of jokes in transportation equipment discussions. Once they were fine machines, but no longer a viable, economical transportation motive force. Steam locomotives are financial losers.
Steamtown, PA is an amusement! Nothing to be taken seriously!
1. Explain the international increase in steam specials, then, as well as the new, regular weekend steam routes in Japan, then.
2. Give it time. In time, petroleum prices will make diesels non-cost-effective, and will make steamers cost effective. Diesels are just barely cost effective right now.
3. Give me one intelligent example, then.
4. Amusement fosters interest in steam, which will fuel the return of steam. While Steamtown, PA is an amusement, it can lead to mainline comebacks.
1. It is just a passing fad. When the bill comes due for these junkers to be put into daily service, the public will take the cheaper alternative; diesel electric - every time.
2. We gave the steam locomotive all the time necessary & it remains unprofitable. All electric may be the next generation, but steam locomotives are not returning.
3. What are you referencing? Example of what?
4. Steam locomotives are not coming back to mainline service.
1. It would cost too much to electrify the whole of US railways, and since petroleum will be expensive, steam will be the cheapest option.
2. Petroleum was cheap in the '50s, though. Petroleum is now more expensive than coal, and water is very cheap, which is why steamers are now more cost effective.
3. A real life example, not your opinion, stupid.
4. Steamers emit CO2, which can be absorbed by plants. Diesels emit CO, which is just bad.
arguments! You still fail to counter my arguments, and you have not yet succeeded in defending your arguments. That is why your arguments should be scrapped. So therefore, you have nothing, and I am winning this argument. You are fighting a losing battle. Give up! The more you try, the more of an ass you look like, since you suck at defending, and you suck at offending.
1. Not yet, but they will in the future. Water is dirt cheap (at least in the US, where they are most likely to come back), and coal is cheaper than petroleum.
2. Diesels are worse for the environment. Carbon Monoxide is far worse than Carbon Dioxide.
3. You never gave me a real example, so extend my argument.
4. See 2.
5. Wait until petroleum prices skyrocket, then you'll see what is being used.
6. Junk your arguments. You have not yet given a valid argument, nor any proof. The judges
(the viewers) are already voting me up unanimously. Until you give me a valid argument that is backed by cold hard evidence, I refuse to respond anymore.
@me80233 The reason people use diesel locomotives is that they are usually have a thermal efficiency of better than 30% while the ordinary steam engine is down at 5% to 7%. Some of the fancy French compound locomotives got better than that in the 1930s, but not that much better. To sum it up, in comparison to diesel, steam engines are hogs for fuel.
@Erictheirritated In the 1980's an American steam locomtovie #614 formerly of the C&O Railroad proved steam can be more efficient than once thought. She had an efficiency rate of about 18%, and could have been better if she was given more time to prover herself in frieght hauling.
@Kleman09 You may be confusing 614 with the Ace 3000 which did have a target thermal efficiency (on paper) of 18%. The best that 614 ever achieved was 6% and the average in service may have been about 3%.
Coal is getting rather scarce. It will run out sooner than the world's oil reserves. As a matter of fact they burn oil in their steam engines in poor countries.
Water is a precious commodity which can be better used for people in the cities, irrigation and biodiversity in wildlife.
I don't know which planet you live on but most industrial countries already run all their trains on electric power, including the high speed ones. Switching from clean electric power to dirty coal??
@Cockroach2008 I have a few questions Cockroach do you have any experience operating, maintaining, or any experience around steam engines of any sort, also I am very curious as to what scrap yard you operate due to the fact that most steam engines were scraped 40 years ago and the survivors are worth millions operational or not as far as I am concerned until you tell us what experience you have with this technology I can do nothing but believe that you are some 12 year old on a computer.
This is just another toy! It is nothing of an amusement like a the local festival that comes to your town every year. It does not make any industrial or freight revenue which is industry based other than an amusement trolley. Clearly the butt of a good joke!
Useful? Only to tourist operators! Nothing serious about this laughable operation. Snicker, snicker!
Just a matter of time. The crowds are waning, the interest diminishing, crowds not materializing, funds are shrinking & BANKRUPTCY LOOMS!
Really? I highly doupt that. Theve been going strong for decades and I highly doubt they will go under for a very long time. Show me proof or you just plain fail. Wait a second...your that cockroach fag thats 100% against steam. Your just close minded...why cant you just let us love what we love? You like my damn parents being against my girlfriend.
Tourist attendance was down for the third year in a row. Due to a failing economy & people's concern for with their own welfare. As they should be!
People need to spend their money on their own families & welfare instead of a useless system of transportation. Yes, USELESS! The D&S is an amusement for those who have money to spend in a frivolous way; few in number these days. The tourist numbers show it.
If it is so much better, why are they not in service on the mainlines any longer?
They all have been reduced to static displays, museum pieces or park ride amusements.
Time to stop the foolishness. graffiti paint them, scratch up the windows with diamonds, junk all the remaining steam locomotives, scrap them, cut them apart & melt them!
Steal the bell, whistles, gauges, headlights, marker lights, number boards, builder's plate & other parts for quick cash. NO QUESTIONS ASKED!
@Cockroach2008 A lot of steam locomotives are used in mainline service. Santa Fe is restoring two of their steam locomotives back to functional condition. They are restoring the 2926 (a gorgeous 4-8-4) and the 5021 (a gorgeous 2-10-4).
@Jemalacane I aware. They came to our yard looking for some old parts. We could not help them, we destroyed all of our parts years ago & sent it to a foundry for melt. Their chance of getting that garbage running is low because BNSF has money problems now. That stuff will be near impossible to insure. When they get tired of piddling, we are standing by with torches, cutters & cut off saws! Junk them!
@Cockroach2008 They came to your yard? Right. I am pretty sure they can make their own stuff. They are a railroad after all. It shouldn't cost anymore to insure steam than it would to insure any other form of traction. No, they are not piddling. When 2926 gets restored, it will be the most powerful 4-8-4 in the world.
@Jemalacane They were looking for old systems which had cast parts. I am sure they are now casting their own. Considerable work & expense to make those castings & machine them out for a production which will still be 10 months from start to finish! Yes, sir, watching them all come to disasterous results is a great thing for scrappers to happen.
@Cockroach2008 I wish to raise the question of why did the Iowa Interstate Railroad purchase two brand new Qj 2-10-2's for freight service with the possibility 3 more China has been building steam well in to the 1990s and in another fact steam engines are Far more efficient than diesels the main down side to steam is the large amount of maintenance required to keep them running.
@traindude70 You are misinformed. Those Junkers made in China are riddled with problems & high, high maintenance costs. It won't be long before they are parked forever. Perhaps they will be graffitti canvas! Beatiful, beatiful graffitti paint on the junky old steam locotives! Junk the steam locomotive!
@Cockroach2008 misinformed I helped bring them to the US they have less problems than any engines I have ever run I spend most days In the Cab of locos right now I'm in Texas helping to get the 786 back up and running were are you getting your information buddy. quick quiz 1. whats a steam chest? 2, whats a cylinder Saddle? 3. what is he cross head and wear is it located? answer those before you give me any more info.
The definitions you require will not fit into this 500 character response space. But I know what & where the are located. I don't believe it proves anything except you validate my knowledge of steam locomotive clunkers. Now, because I know this stuff, I still want th all junked & don't care where you go to restore any. Those Chineese locomotives are having wear problems at the main bearings. JUNK!
@Cockroach2008 As you can see, you are not wanted here. How about you leave YouTube alone, and either get a life, die, shut-up, or go back to your troll cave and continue playing you World of Warcraft. Noob.
@Cockroach2008 Well I'm very sorry cockroachMcTrolltroll but about %50 of the remaining steam locomotives are museum and area property and you are not aloud to junk them. Beat that,n00b.
@starwarsbv Don't worry! There are ways around that where we can get on the property & make things very expensive for the museum.
We turn them into junk. Just think of all the interesting parts which can be removed & sold on the black market. Whistles, bells, sight glasses, instruments. Then they get very expensive & cost of restoration seals their fate. Put them to the cutting torches!
I would point out on 'waning crowds', that even in the midst of a fight with the city of Dallas, the Museum of the American Railroad chalked up about 50,000 visitors just last year. Not to mention the array of steam locomotives that are part of the collection of the Smithsonian Institution, and the immense roster of the National Railway Museum in Great Britain, which draws thousands every year. These old war horses are going nowhere, I'm afraid. Sorry!
Cockroach you are just a bullshit artist. Where is your prooof. I think you delight in the pointless stirrings. But just to add fuel to the fire, humanitys downward spiral is a direct result of people like you disregarding the old. Too much of the good has been forsaken for the profane and what in the name of progress. Ha, how can such progress be progress when we have forsaken all that is beutifull, all that is good for something sterile and lifeless.
your name fits because you are. If you have only scrapped 2 locos in the past 6 years, nobody is breaking down your door, are they? May the ashes of 100 steam locos infest your armpits.
r these trains still operational if so they r mine lol im gonna jack em if they work but if they dont i still go and play with them i love steam trains yet i dont know why
Actually, yes. It's been done a number of times with miniature locomotives, and at least once on full-scale locomotives for moving short distances, typically after their fires have been dropped for the last time. However, it's beyond practical, and far less efficient than using steam.
because he's a lowlife shithead troll who has no friends, so he has to try to get a rise out people on the internet so people will pay attention to him.
however you claim you are looking for work, what does it matter in other countries that have steam. if you did have a scrap yard this would not matter to you. and also you would never tell anybody on you tube where your scrap yard is or what locomotives you have scraped. records for the us does not show a single steamer scraped for over 20 years. so show some proof, or the rest of us can acknowledge you have a pretend scrap yard.
It is real! I have scrapped 2 in the past 10 years. One was about 6 years ago & the other last December 2008. The steam locomotive we scrapped last year was the abandon project of a preservation group that was bankrupt. They sold the asset for scrap to pay outstanding debts. The members had stripped the machine of the builder's plate & many other things. It was genuine scrap when we got it.
But it was high grade material the foundry wanted. At least I paid everyone! No bankruptcy filing for us!
yea yea yea preservation group paid bankrupt what ever that is not the point. you claim to scrap steam locomotives. what locomotives? what numbers? who owned them befor the preservation goups? where did you scrap them? any one can claim they scrap things. you claim you have scraped locomotives, no one is convinsed
@golfisgreat123 Really? Have met before? I don't think you know what or who you are talking too! Perhaps you have some problem with your eyesight! May I suggest you see an optometrist! You need to have your eyes checked. Junk the steam locomotives!
I think your right. He thinks steam locos aren't in commircal service either when ALL 3rd world countries still use them, and even a few 1t world countries like China(witch is the richest country because everything in the U.S. comes from their.) that still make them in factories and use them. I must restore them I LOVE steam locos.
China closed their last steam locomotive manufacturing facility a few years ago and has removed all of it's steam locomotives from service. The last locomotives built in China were shipped to the US.
A US railroad has imported several newer Chinese locomotives on spec. They have actually pulled some freight with these.
One problem is that any imported equipment must meet US FRA standards so it's not a simple matter to import them.
We are in the Portland, Oregon area, however, we do have mobile operations which go nationally & internationally for these kinds of hazardous materials disposals.
4449, 700 & 197 are nice materials & close for a cut up job!
Considering that USA is sitting on more coal than it can burn
how hard will it be to modernize the steam locomotive.
In the early 1980s, such a steam locomotive was planned when it looked like the price of oil was going to continue to rise and the threat of continued oil embargos
It was to called the ACE 3000. Their goal was to develop a steam locomotive which was just as simple to operate and economical to maintain as a diesel-electric locomotive.
They are still destined for carnival amusements & when the funds run out, they will be scrapped, junked, cut apart & melted. Cutting them apart should happen real soon.
Thats not the point; the point is that railroads only want to purchase power which will haul the loads in the most efficient way. Diesels replaced steam locomotives because that's what they did. But with the rise in diesels its becoming more of a finical burden to run them. Alternatives have been considered in the past in hard times, and with the economy heading the way it is the ACE 3000 might be in our near future.
Don't hold your breath. The steam locomotive is destined for melting at the foundry.
You just keep waiting as these relics have parts removed from them for their metal scrap value.
Bells, whistles, gauge sets, brass fittings, headlights, air pumps, generators, valve handles and so much more can be removed & sold with no questions asked!
@VaderNES It is just a matter of time. I have scrapped 2 in the last 6 years. These clunkers were purchased by organizations with noble intent. Finances overwhelmed them & the ended up cut apart & sent to the foundry for melt.
Those were fun assignments!
Junk the steam locomotives.
Continue with your foolish venture. It is just a matter of time. I have never had anyone ask any questions about the removed parts I have seen.
Those are scrapped with a lot of criticism. Face it, Americans, British, and Japanese love steam engines, and they will be pissed if their engines are scrapped.
Plus, there are many projects that have started for building brand new engines, most notably the A1 Peppercorn that the A1 trust built.
Not to mention the high fuel prices, which would make steam engines more cost effective than diesels (especially with more advanced steam technologies).
The only complaint we got was from the preservation group who sold us the machine. They wanted us to set it aside in our yard at our expense until another time. They were trying to stall us until they could raise the funds to purchase it back.
We considered it for about 10 seconds before we laughed in their faces. Storage on our property it was going to cost them. Bankruptcy left them with no funds to pay for storage.
They did not have time to file for an injunction!
Thank you for the very flattering compliment. I sincerely appreciate it.
Arguing? As I see it, we both have very different opinions & are simply stating them to each other.
You are entitled to them. I am entitled to mine.
The steam locomotives remaining are a great resource for high quality scrap steel & iron. It is also a great resource for those who need some quick cash. Parts like whistles, bells, gauges, headlights, marker lights, number boards will sell quickly. No questions asked!
Vintage steam engines are better for scenic rides, and 2nd gen steam engines could replace diesels, since water is cheap, and oil is only used for lubrication.
Scrapping vintage steam engines is disgraceful, since they are pieces of industrial history. I could care less about the Chinese-made steamers of the '90s, though. They can go to hell for all I care.
Vintage steam engines are better for cutting up & scrapping. Let's make those 1st generation steam locomotives into materials for new products! Don't you just love the idea?
I am pleased you find scrapping vintage steam locomotives is the proper thing to do since they are all well documented & belong between the pages of a history book.
Agreed, industrial history should be documented & the space they occupy utilized for a better purpose.
Nice to know that steam locomotives are being scrapped!
No, vintage steam should be preserved. History cannot merely be documented in order to understand it. You must experience it in person to understand it. You must touch it, ride on it, and experience it in person to understand its history better.
Plus, I said that it is disgraceful, anyway, so -1 for skimming over my comment.
To hell with modern '80s and '90s Chinese steamers, though. They are only good for parts to fix vintage steamers. Scrap them and cast replacements for vintage steam parts.
Vintage steam locomotives are better cut apart & melted for foundry melt. The metal crystals are weak from repeated induced stress. Documenting them and scraping them is considerably cheaper than preservation. It won't require as much real estate, insurance, or maintenance costs.
Like you say, the proper thing to do is to, "Scrap them & cast them into manhole covers, ship anchors or replacement pipe for the port of Haitii."
Quit making an ass of yourself and actually read my comments.
History should be preserved, and destroying history is bollocks. Imagine if the US Declaration of Independence was documented, then thrown into a recycle bin, or if Abe Lincoln's hat were to be thrown in a landfill after documentation. Imagine if Independence Hall were to be demolished to make room for an office building. It is bollocks, eh? This same type of ideal is what you are suggesting: the destruction of history.
I have read your drivel completely! I don't agree with it. The steam locomotive did nothing to improve the rights of man or permit individual independence. It was just a transportation tool made of recyclable materials! It is fine as it is documented & photographed.
To junk it out, scrap it & cut it apart for foundry melt does not destroy history! It is just another material article to be used for new products to come.
It is the ultimate sacrifice to be used to make replacement piers in Haiti!
The steam engine is a technical marvel, and should be preserved. Documentation will not do it justice, either. You cannot truly learn about how cross-country travel was by train in the 1800s without riding in a train of authentic rolling stock pulled by a vintage steamer. Words will not do it justice, nor are adequate.
Plus, diesels suck for funeral trains. Funeral trains require steamers.
Disagreed! The steam locomotive WAS a technical marvel in terrain transportation. Their time has come & gone.
Documentation & words are adequate.
We don't need to experience a ride in coaches moved by a steam locomotive. Besides it costs far less that preserving, securing, insuring, maintaining, operating & storing these relics of junk iron.
A diesel-electric locomotive is a beautiful funeral train for a steam locomotive in pieces in high side gondolas being moved to the foundry for melting!
1. Steam still has unknown potential that can make it faster, more efficient, and more powerful than diesels.
2. Words are inadequate. Have you ever heard the saying "1 picture is worth 1000 words"? You think documentation is a way to learn, but words are useless. Words are only good for communication. Knowledge can only come from experience.
3. I hope you are cremated inside a steam engine's firebox. I know I will.
1. Steam locomotives have no future & are destined for the scrap yard.
2. Words & pictures are all that is necessary for preservation. No one needs this experience.
3. Steam locomotives have parts which can be removed & sold for souvenir value. People who need money quickly can do the job & receive cash for the sale. No questions asked.
4. Steam locomotives contain materials which are resources for new products.
5. Scrapping steam locomotives is a paying profession for many people!
1. Steam power is much cleaner and cheaper than diesel power.
2. Words are only useful in communication. Words are a piss-poor substitute for an experience.
3. Steam engines expanded the United States, and made travel in the US faster and cheaper, which appealed to many, who moved to the west from places like New York, Ohio, Illinois, etc.
4. Steel is better for those, and steel can be found on diesel engines.
5. In Japan, they are actually adding regular steam routes, the first since 1975.
1. Wrong! Steam power is far more polluting than diesel power.
2. Documentation in words & photographs are all that is necessary. Nobody needs to experience steam locomotives.
3. Steam locomotives did change the transportation of heavy freight in the US. Diesel electric motive power is the next & better generation of development.
4. Steam locomotives are an excellent source for steel to make new & better products!
5. Just a matter of time before Japan ditches the folly of steam locomotives!
1. Steam power emits CO2, which plants can absorb and turn into oxygen. Diesel emits CO, which is harmful.
2. For proper education, it is needed.
3. Diesel power is dirty and wasteful. Oil is expensive, too.
4. Diesels are more valuable, and are better for scrapping.
5. Japan is actually bringing them back. Japan ditched them in 1975, but is now bringing them back into service, due to nostalgia, and the appeal that the shinkansen lacks.
1. Steam locomotives pollute more than any other locomotive no matter what fuel they burn due to their inherent inefficient design.
2. Documents & photographs are adequate to learn about the steam locomotive. No one needs to experience it. Just because you can't read & understand, does not make them a poor method of learning.
3. Steam locomotive exhausts are toxic to everything.
wHAT!? R U F***ING TALK ING ABOUT streamers r the best thing ever made! did u know (u dumb S*** head) if steam trains were not made henry ford wold have not made the car! after all he WAS a part time train driver. thats what I say u FREAKIN SON OF A FRICKEN BATTEL TRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I respectfully disagree. The steam locomotive may have been the best thing ever made 100 years ago. The steam locomotive is no longer the best thing. If they were, the railroad would still have them in commercial use. Now they are nothing but junk, toys & amusements for backward thinking people.
Maintaining, operating, insuring & sheltering them any longer is economic foolishness. Bankrupts non profits orgs.
Well, Henry Ford didn't invent the car. Gottlieb Daimler and Karl Benz did in 1886. By the time Henry Ford started manafacturing cars in 1903, there were dozens of manafacturers of cars all over the world.
Ford wouldn't even have gotten the idea for the assembly line if he hadn't visited a slaughterhouse in Detroit in which they cut the parts of the animals who were haning in meat hooks running through the slaughterhouse.
Henry Ford openly supported Hitler too, with Ford trucks.
@McLarenMercedes Henry Ford did not invent the automobile. Henry Ford invented the assembly line. The Duryea brothers are credited with having the first auto in the U.S. A man by the name of Charles Black of Indianapolis,IN actually had an automobile running approximately one year before the Duryea brothers.
And there are plenty of steam locomotives in the US rusting away that could be restored far cheaper than bringing back a unit from another country. Why restore something from Europe. If you are going to spend the money, spend it on something with US heritage and let Europe take care of its own.
lol he said he found these "abondoned locos" in a museam ur an idiot
Starwarslegobuilder 2 months ago
oh no
mark10788 2 months ago
I think Cockroach had a steam engine as father and is suffering from the Oedipus(steam variety ) complex.What do you say to this Cockroach?At least yu have an unwavering standpoint.
Squarerig 3 months ago
These MUST be restored!That is an order!
Squarerig 3 months ago
wud any of them still work?
MrWoodoop 3 months ago
Where is this and just ban cockroach2008
The first four letters of his name say sumthin about him
Qmann98 3 months ago
I love trains
i hate Cockroach2008
mark10788 3 months ago 3
Stupid kids on computers. If only.
gartify 3 months ago
DO NOT FIGHT COCKROACH2008!
mark10788 3 months ago
Do fight with @Cockroach2008 he will cause to much bullshit!
mark10788 3 months ago
thanks for the great videos
tarzanzardoz007 5 months ago
This is cool history!
sodimite 6 months ago
These Old Lady,s have a Real Heart they are a living thing????
goldwingman1500 8 months ago
I dont give a fuck with what anyone says, they need to bring back the old steam engines. Like this if you agree.
HalfBritishBoy 1 year ago 44
@HalfBritishBoy It is actually possible that they will bring back steam locomotives in the future. Oil prices are rising, and will probably continue to rise. But many countries including the US still have large coal reserves, enough to last hundreds of years. Some experts speculate that that steam-turbine electric locomotives will become a future reality.
priceman141 7 months ago
@HalfBritishBoy each steam engine here is a small self contained powerplant, put each engine up on a static mount restore them and run modern efficient dynamos off the disks.
These amazing devices are just sitting there rotting away when they could be preserved and put to some constructive use.
ROBBEAUDOIN66 5 months ago
thank you
i saw them my self.
catman1253 1 year ago
You really should block cockroach! all he does is bitch and complain about how bad these machines are, don't believe half of the things he says, its all bulshit, their are companies in England still building locomotives. he's just a little shit who doesn't have a life! sorry for the foul lanuage, but he realy gets on my nerves whens he talks likes this to us railfans.
pennyf9 1 year ago
where did you find these locomotives?
catman1253 1 year ago
@catman1253 Haapamäki railroad museum Finland.
Markorepairs 1 year ago
@Markorepairs So with these engines belonging to a museum, isnt it safe to assume, that they are not abandoned?
mitsucanter247365 6 months ago
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Such a shame. Diesels just aren't as..oh...what's the word...awe inspiring as steam engines. So grand, majestic. There are some great looking diesels, to be sure, but I'd take a steam engine over a diesel hands down. Especially a nice European one. U.S. has some good ones, but again, I'll take a Flying Scotsman over a Big Boy any day.
ZekPatterson 1 year ago
Such a shame. Diesels just aren't as..oh...what's the word...awe inspiring as steam engines. So grand, majestic. There are some great looking diesels, to be sure, but I'd take a steam engine over a diesel hands down. Especially a nice European one. U.S. has some good ones, butel any day again, I'll take a Flying Scotsman over a Big Boy any day.
ZekPatterson 1 year ago
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Could Every One Please Remember that Cockroach2008 Is a Troll who will say any thing to piss People Off, He makes Stuff up as he Goes, Please do not try to argue with him he will just make up more shit, If you just let what he says sit Idle he will starve of entertainment.
Please Remember this Before Replying to him.
He has no back ground in Railroad or Scrapping all Surviving engines in the USA are tracked by multiple Historical Groups. Any Business man would sell for the right Price.
traindude70 1 year ago
I only wish I were very rich so that I could buy and restore some of these beauties.
Jemalacane 1 year ago
@Jemalacane Amen to that. I would love to have one of those ladies shipped here to the states. She would have a good home for sure.
FLABandit 1 year ago
is this Haapamäki Loco-museum? visited there a week ago.=)
Too bad most of the locos are rotting away. They should be kept fit in case of the WWIII and fuel shortage.
brutusmuerto 1 year ago
@ 2:36 in it looks in an alright & use-able condition. Are these being saved or scrapped for parts?
pcnerd2 1 year ago
This cockroach guy, is just some idiot with nothing to do than fire people up. If he was a scrapper, do you think he would have the time to sit on the net dishing out insults?
His an attention seeker, who is looking for people who fire up to his comments.
If you ignore him he will get bored and piss off
BlackwidowSD9 2 years ago 17
@BlackwidowSD9 its ok i boloco yard for $5,000 and now he can do nothing but sit and watch as i restore them . i went through and alot of them look in pretty good condition i could easily make costom parts for it
hobofred2 1 year ago
thank god these loco's are in the old soviet union away from the hands of dumb losers like cockroach. hence the old and rare rusian decopod in the video
damianjj144 2 years ago
its sad to see steam locomotives in the scrapile saddly..
KilleTheHedgehog8492 2 years ago
You would not know how much of a relief it is to see someone that is on my side.
And yes, steam power is more powerful, not to mention cheaper, as well as cleaner, provided that the right fuel is burned and the pollutants are properly filtered. In fact, there really isn't a reason to continue to use diesels, aside from the fact that it costs money to replace the diesels with steamers.
VaderNES 2 years ago
The railroads are not clamoring to have steam locomotives built. The only orders are in Britain where they are finding out what losers steam locomotives are. (They are did not learn the first time.)
First accident, they exit! Just a matter of time!
The steam locomotives are now worthy of nothing more than scrap metal, amusements, curiosities & the butt of jokes for their antiquity.
Let's all get happy, steal parts from them, light the cutting torches & clear the scrap yard track for them!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Just give up already! You are fighting a losing battle. Nobody is on your side, and everyone thinks that your arguments suck.
The British are loving their steam engines. That is why more and more are being saved and restored.
Plus, nobody jokes about steam engines. In fact, when steam engines are mentioned, people think of them as fine machines.
Plus, people will are happier riding them. This is proven by the popularity of the United States' Steamtown, USA (in Scranton, Pennsylvania).
VaderNES 2 years ago
Britians may love steam locomotives, but the railroad does not care for them & the stock holders find them a very poor investment.
I put my money where the returns are greater & steam locomotives are not winners!
Steam locomotives are the butt of jokes in transportation equipment discussions. Once they were fine machines, but no longer a viable, economical transportation motive force. Steam locomotives are financial losers.
Steamtown, PA is an amusement! Nothing to be taken seriously!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
1. Explain the international increase in steam specials, then, as well as the new, regular weekend steam routes in Japan, then.
2. Give it time. In time, petroleum prices will make diesels non-cost-effective, and will make steamers cost effective. Diesels are just barely cost effective right now.
3. Give me one intelligent example, then.
4. Amusement fosters interest in steam, which will fuel the return of steam. While Steamtown, PA is an amusement, it can lead to mainline comebacks.
VaderNES 2 years ago
1. It is just a passing fad. When the bill comes due for these junkers to be put into daily service, the public will take the cheaper alternative; diesel electric - every time.
2. We gave the steam locomotive all the time necessary & it remains unprofitable. All electric may be the next generation, but steam locomotives are not returning.
3. What are you referencing? Example of what?
4. Steam locomotives are not coming back to mainline service.
5. Junk the steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
1. No, because petroleum will cost more. The reason why steam will come back is because petroleum will cost too much.
2. No, you didn't. You eliminated them all by the '50s. Now technologies like turbines can be used in modern steam.
3. An example of steamers being the butt-end of transportation jokes, stupid.
4. Wait and see. Petroleum prices will send diesels to the scrap yards and steamers to the main lines.
5. Junk your whole argument. You extended no arguments, and have given bad counters.
VaderNES 2 years ago
1. Yes, petroleum will cost more. No, the steam locomotive will never be feasible again.
2. Yes, we eliminated many, (not enough), in the 50's. Newer technologies still do not match what is available. The steam locomotive is not returning.
3. The steam locomotive is as modern a transportation as the ox & cart or the Roman chariot. Entirely laughable! A joke!
4. Steam locomotives are inefficient & pollute. They will not return to service in any great numbers!
5. Your opinion!
6. Junk them!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
1. It would cost too much to electrify the whole of US railways, and since petroleum will be expensive, steam will be the cheapest option.
2. Petroleum was cheap in the '50s, though. Petroleum is now more expensive than coal, and water is very cheap, which is why steamers are now more cost effective.
3. A real life example, not your opinion, stupid.
4. Steamers emit CO2, which can be absorbed by plants. Diesels emit CO, which is just bad.
5. No, I have defeated your arguments.
6. Yes, junk your
VaderNES 2 years ago
arguments! You still fail to counter my arguments, and you have not yet succeeded in defending your arguments. That is why your arguments should be scrapped. So therefore, you have nothing, and I am winning this argument. You are fighting a losing battle. Give up! The more you try, the more of an ass you look like, since you suck at defending, and you suck at offending.
VaderNES 2 years ago
1. Wrong! Steam locomotives will not come back in any significant numbers.
2. Steam locomotives remain inefficient & too polluting.
3. Steam locomotives remain the laughing stock of the railroads today.
4. The CO emitted by diesel electric locomotives is far less polluting than the total emission of a steam locomotive.
5. Only you think you have a better argument. The railroads are not convinced. The diesel electric locomotives are still being built!
6. Junk the remaining steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
1. Not yet, but they will in the future. Water is dirt cheap (at least in the US, where they are most likely to come back), and coal is cheaper than petroleum.
2. Diesels are worse for the environment. Carbon Monoxide is far worse than Carbon Dioxide.
3. You never gave me a real example, so extend my argument.
4. See 2.
5. Wait until petroleum prices skyrocket, then you'll see what is being used.
6. Junk your arguments. You have not yet given a valid argument, nor any proof. The judges
VaderNES 2 years ago
(the viewers) are already voting me up unanimously. Until you give me a valid argument that is backed by cold hard evidence, I refuse to respond anymore.
VaderNES 2 years ago
@VaderNES Really the only reason people use ''diesel engines'' is because they THINK it goes faster when the reality is Steam Locomotive
1. put off less poulution
2.when used right can actually go faster than diesels
3 IT IS a prouven FACT that steam engines are STRONGER then diesel engines!
me80233 1 year ago
@me80233 Right on, mate! Personally, I cannot wait until the new steam renaissance, when new steam engines replace diesels.
But I will not support Chinese steam engines, though.
VaderNES 1 year ago
@VaderNES Niether will I.
me80233 1 year ago
@me80233 The reason people use diesel locomotives is that they are usually have a thermal efficiency of better than 30% while the ordinary steam engine is down at 5% to 7%. Some of the fancy French compound locomotives got better than that in the 1930s, but not that much better. To sum it up, in comparison to diesel, steam engines are hogs for fuel.
Erictheirritated 1 year ago
@Erictheirritated In the 1980's an American steam locomtovie #614 formerly of the C&O Railroad proved steam can be more efficient than once thought. She had an efficiency rate of about 18%, and could have been better if she was given more time to prover herself in frieght hauling.
Kleman09 1 year ago
@Kleman09 You may be confusing 614 with the Ace 3000 which did have a target thermal efficiency (on paper) of 18%. The best that 614 ever achieved was 6% and the average in service may have been about 3%.
Erictheirritated 1 year ago
@me80233 its all about labor costs and fuel consumption.
Kleman09 1 year ago
@Kleman09 they are SOMETIMES fuel hogs thats only because they work harder
me80233 1 year ago
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pennyf9 1 year ago
@VaderNES
Coal is getting rather scarce. It will run out sooner than the world's oil reserves. As a matter of fact they burn oil in their steam engines in poor countries.
Water is a precious commodity which can be better used for people in the cities, irrigation and biodiversity in wildlife.
I don't know which planet you live on but most industrial countries already run all their trains on electric power, including the high speed ones. Switching from clean electric power to dirty coal??
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
@McLarenMercedes Electricity is generated by the burning of coal, so how is electricity cleaner?
1971Copperhead1968 1 year ago
@Cockroach2008 I have a few questions Cockroach do you have any experience operating, maintaining, or any experience around steam engines of any sort, also I am very curious as to what scrap yard you operate due to the fact that most steam engines were scraped 40 years ago and the survivors are worth millions operational or not as far as I am concerned until you tell us what experience you have with this technology I can do nothing but believe that you are some 12 year old on a computer.
traindude70 1 year ago
Than explain the durango and silverton or whatever that little narrow gauge line.
318Captain 2 years ago
This is just another toy! It is nothing of an amusement like a the local festival that comes to your town every year. It does not make any industrial or freight revenue which is industry based other than an amusement trolley. Clearly the butt of a good joke!
Useful? Only to tourist operators! Nothing serious about this laughable operation. Snicker, snicker!
Just a matter of time. The crowds are waning, the interest diminishing, crowds not materializing, funds are shrinking & BANKRUPTCY LOOMS!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Really? I highly doupt that. Theve been going strong for decades and I highly doubt they will go under for a very long time. Show me proof or you just plain fail. Wait a second...your that cockroach fag thats 100% against steam. Your just close minded...why cant you just let us love what we love? You like my damn parents being against my girlfriend.
318Captain 2 years ago
Tourist attendance was down for the third year in a row. Due to a failing economy & people's concern for with their own welfare. As they should be!
People need to spend their money on their own families & welfare instead of a useless system of transportation. Yes, USELESS! The D&S is an amusement for those who have money to spend in a frivolous way; few in number these days. The tourist numbers show it.
You may love what you wish to love. No problem!
Junk the remaining steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
@Cockroach2008 steam is better
mmikeironhorse 1 year ago
If it is so much better, why are they not in service on the mainlines any longer?
They all have been reduced to static displays, museum pieces or park ride amusements.
Time to stop the foolishness. graffiti paint them, scratch up the windows with diamonds, junk all the remaining steam locomotives, scrap them, cut them apart & melt them!
Steal the bell, whistles, gauges, headlights, marker lights, number boards, builder's plate & other parts for quick cash. NO QUESTIONS ASKED!
Cockroach2008 1 year ago
@Cockroach2008 did you know that a Big Boy could pull a train 5 miles on a flat surface
mmikeironhorse 1 year ago
@Cockroach2008 A lot of steam locomotives are used in mainline service. Santa Fe is restoring two of their steam locomotives back to functional condition. They are restoring the 2926 (a gorgeous 4-8-4) and the 5021 (a gorgeous 2-10-4).
Jemalacane 1 year ago
@Jemalacane I aware. They came to our yard looking for some old parts. We could not help them, we destroyed all of our parts years ago & sent it to a foundry for melt. Their chance of getting that garbage running is low because BNSF has money problems now. That stuff will be near impossible to insure. When they get tired of piddling, we are standing by with torches, cutters & cut off saws! Junk them!
Cockroach2008 1 year ago
@Cockroach2008 They came to your yard? Right. I am pretty sure they can make their own stuff. They are a railroad after all. It shouldn't cost anymore to insure steam than it would to insure any other form of traction. No, they are not piddling. When 2926 gets restored, it will be the most powerful 4-8-4 in the world.
Jemalacane 1 year ago
@Jemalacane They were looking for old systems which had cast parts. I am sure they are now casting their own. Considerable work & expense to make those castings & machine them out for a production which will still be 10 months from start to finish! Yes, sir, watching them all come to disasterous results is a great thing for scrappers to happen.
Cockroach2008 1 year ago
@Cockroach2008 Yes, using powerful and efficient machines is a terrible idea.
Jemalacane 1 year ago
@Jemalacane Steam locomotives are anything but efficient! Junk & recyclable materials for new products is what they are any longer.
Cockroach2008 1 year ago
@Cockroach2008 I wish to raise the question of why did the Iowa Interstate Railroad purchase two brand new Qj 2-10-2's for freight service with the possibility 3 more China has been building steam well in to the 1990s and in another fact steam engines are Far more efficient than diesels the main down side to steam is the large amount of maintenance required to keep them running.
traindude70 1 year ago
@traindude70 You are misinformed. Those Junkers made in China are riddled with problems & high, high maintenance costs. It won't be long before they are parked forever. Perhaps they will be graffitti canvas! Beatiful, beatiful graffitti paint on the junky old steam locotives! Junk the steam locomotive!
Cockroach2008 1 year ago
@Cockroach2008 misinformed I helped bring them to the US they have less problems than any engines I have ever run I spend most days In the Cab of locos right now I'm in Texas helping to get the 786 back up and running were are you getting your information buddy. quick quiz 1. whats a steam chest? 2, whats a cylinder Saddle? 3. what is he cross head and wear is it located? answer those before you give me any more info.
traindude70 1 year ago
The definitions you require will not fit into this 500 character response space. But I know what & where the are located. I don't believe it proves anything except you validate my knowledge of steam locomotive clunkers. Now, because I know this stuff, I still want th all junked & don't care where you go to restore any. Those Chineese locomotives are having wear problems at the main bearings. JUNK!
Cockroach2008 1 year ago
@Cockroach2008 yes they will.
traindude70 1 year ago
@Cockroach2008 As you can see, you are not wanted here. How about you leave YouTube alone, and either get a life, die, shut-up, or go back to your troll cave and continue playing you World of Warcraft. Noob.
starwarsbv 3 months ago
@starwarsbv What people want or don't want is none of my business. I am here to stay!
Junk all the remaining steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 3 months ago
@Cockroach2008 Well I'm very sorry cockroachMcTrolltroll but about %50 of the remaining steam locomotives are museum and area property and you are not aloud to junk them. Beat that,n00b.
starwarsbv 3 months ago
@starwarsbv Don't worry! There are ways around that where we can get on the property & make things very expensive for the museum.
We turn them into junk. Just think of all the interesting parts which can be removed & sold on the black market. Whistles, bells, sight glasses, instruments. Then they get very expensive & cost of restoration seals their fate. Put them to the cutting torches!
Junk all the remaining steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 months ago
@Cockroach2008 Funny, You have been online for years spouting off about
scrapping steam locomotives...BUT YOU HAVENT POSTED EVEN ONE VIDEO!
If you truly did scrap a locomotive you would have posted a video of it online.
Your a snot nosed kid! Grow up, get a job and learn how to play with others!
dreambuilders48808 1 year ago 2
@Cockroach
I would point out on 'waning crowds', that even in the midst of a fight with the city of Dallas, the Museum of the American Railroad chalked up about 50,000 visitors just last year. Not to mention the array of steam locomotives that are part of the collection of the Smithsonian Institution, and the immense roster of the National Railway Museum in Great Britain, which draws thousands every year. These old war horses are going nowhere, I'm afraid. Sorry!
See ya'll in church.
rangerready23 1 year ago
Cockroach you are just a bullshit artist. Where is your prooof. I think you delight in the pointless stirrings. But just to add fuel to the fire, humanitys downward spiral is a direct result of people like you disregarding the old. Too much of the good has been forsaken for the profane and what in the name of progress. Ha, how can such progress be progress when we have forsaken all that is beutifull, all that is good for something sterile and lifeless.
Basiltyne 2 years ago
Hey Cockroach2008,
your name fits because you are. If you have only scrapped 2 locos in the past 6 years, nobody is breaking down your door, are they? May the ashes of 100 steam locos infest your armpits.
jakphlash 2 years ago
Sad 2 See
vettebecker 2 years ago
one at 4:43 looks like it could run again
mmikeironhorse 2 years ago
good ol sound of a steam loco whistle
mmikeironhorse 2 years ago
wow cockroach made every one hate him from one comment. steam is the king of the rails!!!!!!!!
mmikeironhorse 2 years ago
r these trains still operational if so they r mine lol im gonna jack em if they work but if they dont i still go and play with them i love steam trains yet i dont know why
unicron245 2 years ago
Question: steam engines run on steam pressure correct? Could you hook up an air pump/compressor and run one?
fzyo0001 2 years ago
Actually, yes. It's been done a number of times with miniature locomotives, and at least once on full-scale locomotives for moving short distances, typically after their fires have been dropped for the last time. However, it's beyond practical, and far less efficient than using steam.
SR722 2 years ago
Yes, you could, no doubt! You aren't referring to using this for large scale operation though are you? Several obstacles abound if so...
BamaRailfan 2 years ago
YouTube and their reply setup..I see part of your query has been answered already despite my reply.
BamaRailfan 2 years ago
no just one engine, moving itself slowly
fzyo0001 2 years ago
ware is this eneway?
Zoomie00 2 years ago
i like the steam train sounds. but it's sad seeing all the engins just sitting hear.
Zoomie00 2 years ago
Noistahan sais paljon hyvää osaa irti....
robinhooodvsyou 2 years ago
Nice video....good presentation.
KOOLDAVE1953 2 years ago
Most all of these look to be in excellent shape there all look restoreable or be able to but put on static display
trainmasterfm2 2 years ago
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Great collection of junk! When are these going to cut apart and scrapped?
Will you please post a video of the scrapper's torches making the cuts on these and post the entire dismantling and destruction effort.
These would make anchor chain, trench plate, manhole covers, or building girders.
Junk all the steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
dude if you hate steamers so much then why talk about them
zipandzug 2 years ago
because he's a lowlife shithead troll who has no friends, so he has to try to get a rise out people on the internet so people will pay attention to him.
salemcripple 2 years ago
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I am looking for new materials for my scrap yard crew to obtain. We cut up old equipment for a scrap yard. This is how my business earns a living.
We don't obtain a steam locomotive very often, but when we do, my employees thrive!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
then why look for steamers in other countries then the us? it would cost you more to ship to your pretend scrap yard
43078 2 years ago
My scrap yard is not pretend.
I want to see all steam locomotives junked, scrapped, cut apart & melted. Including those in foreign countries.
Junk the steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
however you claim you are looking for work, what does it matter in other countries that have steam. if you did have a scrap yard this would not matter to you. and also you would never tell anybody on you tube where your scrap yard is or what locomotives you have scraped. records for the us does not show a single steamer scraped for over 20 years. so show some proof, or the rest of us can acknowledge you have a pretend scrap yard.
43078 2 years ago
It is real! I have scrapped 2 in the past 10 years. One was about 6 years ago & the other last December 2008. The steam locomotive we scrapped last year was the abandon project of a preservation group that was bankrupt. They sold the asset for scrap to pay outstanding debts. The members had stripped the machine of the builder's plate & many other things. It was genuine scrap when we got it.
But it was high grade material the foundry wanted. At least I paid everyone! No bankruptcy filing for us!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
yea yea yea preservation group paid bankrupt what ever that is not the point. you claim to scrap steam locomotives. what locomotives? what numbers? who owned them befor the preservation goups? where did you scrap them? any one can claim they scrap things. you claim you have scraped locomotives, no one is convinsed
43078 2 years ago
you fat ass seems to go to every video about a steam locomotive hating on it you rly must not have anything else to do ahahahha
golfisgreat123 2 years ago
@golfisgreat123 Really? Have met before? I don't think you know what or who you are talking too! Perhaps you have some problem with your eyesight! May I suggest you see an optometrist! You need to have your eyes checked. Junk the steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 1 year ago
F*ck you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love steam locos I'll go their and restore those locos before you can get your hands on them.
DAKOTA56777 2 years ago
Thank you for the very nice compliment!
Great! You bear all the costs to shelter, insure, maintain, repair & secure these junkers!
Otherwise, junk the steam locomotives, scrap them out, cut them apart, melt them at the foundry & make new products with the melt.
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Oh yeah and go to h*ll!
DAKOTA56777 2 years ago
Hey where is your scap yard so I can go there with C4 and my .357 revolver, and kill you please.
DAKOTA56777 2 years ago
he wont tell anyone. I tried to get that out of him 2 times. he refuses to answer the question. he has a pretend scrap yard.
43078 2 years ago
I think your right. He thinks steam locos aren't in commircal service either when ALL 3rd world countries still use them, and even a few 1t world countries like China(witch is the richest country because everything in the U.S. comes from their.) that still make them in factories and use them. I must restore them I LOVE steam locos.
DAKOTA56777 2 years ago
China closed their last steam locomotive manufacturing facility a few years ago and has removed all of it's steam locomotives from service. The last locomotives built in China were shipped to the US.
A US railroad has imported several newer Chinese locomotives on spec. They have actually pulled some freight with these.
One problem is that any imported equipment must meet US FRA standards so it's not a simple matter to import them.
JWKessler 2 years ago
We are in the Portland, Oregon area, however, we do have mobile operations which go nationally & internationally for these kinds of hazardous materials disposals.
4449, 700 & 197 are nice materials & close for a cut up job!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
@Cockroach2008 i wish your scrapyard got cut up
mmikeironhorse 2 years ago
I think you are confused!
At the scrap yard we cut apart junk objects to a size which will fit into either a blast or induction furnace.
Scrap yards don't get cut apart, the objects that come in through the gate do.
Junk the steam locomotives, scrap them, cut them apart & melt them!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Considering that USA is sitting on more coal than it can burn
how hard will it be to modernize the steam locomotive.
In the early 1980s, such a steam locomotive was planned when it looked like the price of oil was going to continue to rise and the threat of continued oil embargos
It was to called the ACE 3000. Their goal was to develop a steam locomotive which was just as simple to operate and economical to maintain as a diesel-electric locomotive.
DavidAndrewSingleton 2 years ago
@DavidAndrewSingleton But it did not happen!
They are still destined for carnival amusements & when the funds run out, they will be scrapped, junked, cut apart & melted. Cutting them apart should happen real soon.
Junk the steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Thats not the point; the point is that railroads only want to purchase power which will haul the loads in the most efficient way. Diesels replaced steam locomotives because that's what they did. But with the rise in diesels its becoming more of a finical burden to run them. Alternatives have been considered in the past in hard times, and with the economy heading the way it is the ACE 3000 might be in our near future.
DavidAndrewSingleton 2 years ago
@DavidAndrewSingleton It won't happen & the steam locomotives will be cut apart for foundry melt.
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Both nostalgia and high petroleum prices will return steam to service, with shiny, new steam engines running new steam technologies.
The day this happens, I will celebrate the death of diesel and the rebirth of steam.
VaderNES 2 years ago
Don't hold your breath. The steam locomotive is destined for melting at the foundry.
You just keep waiting as these relics have parts removed from them for their metal scrap value.
Bells, whistles, gauge sets, brass fittings, headlights, air pumps, generators, valve handles and so much more can be removed & sold with no questions asked!
Junk all the remaining steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Steam engines will never be scrapped in the west or in Japan, since all scrapped engines are now bought-up before they can be scrapped.
As far as parts, it is possible to make whole new reproduction engines, not to mention parts.
Further still, if those were removed, there would be plenty of questions asked.
By the way, go commit seppuku, since you are dishonourable in your hatred of steam, as well as your lack of warrants.
VaderNES 2 years ago
@VaderNES It is just a matter of time. I have scrapped 2 in the last 6 years. These clunkers were purchased by organizations with noble intent. Finances overwhelmed them & the ended up cut apart & sent to the foundry for melt.
Those were fun assignments!
Junk the steam locomotives.
Continue with your foolish venture. It is just a matter of time. I have never had anyone ask any questions about the removed parts I have seen.
Thank you for the suggestion, however, I decline!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Those are scrapped with a lot of criticism. Face it, Americans, British, and Japanese love steam engines, and they will be pissed if their engines are scrapped.
Plus, there are many projects that have started for building brand new engines, most notably the A1 Peppercorn that the A1 trust built.
Not to mention the high fuel prices, which would make steam engines more cost effective than diesels (especially with more advanced steam technologies).
VaderNES 2 years ago
The only complaint we got was from the preservation group who sold us the machine. They wanted us to set it aside in our yard at our expense until another time. They were trying to stall us until they could raise the funds to purchase it back.
We considered it for about 10 seconds before we laughed in their faces. Storage on our property it was going to cost them. Bankruptcy left them with no funds to pay for storage.
They did not have time to file for an injunction!
Cut apart the next day!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
I give-up. Arguing with a jackass is like arguing with a mega-liberal, and I refuse to argue with another jackass.
VaderNES 2 years ago
Thank you for the very flattering compliment. I sincerely appreciate it.
Arguing? As I see it, we both have very different opinions & are simply stating them to each other.
You are entitled to them. I am entitled to mine.
The steam locomotives remaining are a great resource for high quality scrap steel & iron. It is also a great resource for those who need some quick cash. Parts like whistles, bells, gauges, headlights, marker lights, number boards will sell quickly. No questions asked!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Vintage steam engines are better for scenic rides, and 2nd gen steam engines could replace diesels, since water is cheap, and oil is only used for lubrication.
Scrapping vintage steam engines is disgraceful, since they are pieces of industrial history. I could care less about the Chinese-made steamers of the '90s, though. They can go to hell for all I care.
VaderNES 2 years ago
Vintage steam engines are better for cutting up & scrapping. Let's make those 1st generation steam locomotives into materials for new products! Don't you just love the idea?
I am pleased you find scrapping vintage steam locomotives is the proper thing to do since they are all well documented & belong between the pages of a history book.
Agreed, industrial history should be documented & the space they occupy utilized for a better purpose.
Nice to know that steam locomotives are being scrapped!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
No, vintage steam should be preserved. History cannot merely be documented in order to understand it. You must experience it in person to understand it. You must touch it, ride on it, and experience it in person to understand its history better.
Plus, I said that it is disgraceful, anyway, so -1 for skimming over my comment.
To hell with modern '80s and '90s Chinese steamers, though. They are only good for parts to fix vintage steamers. Scrap them and cast replacements for vintage steam parts.
VaderNES 2 years ago
Vintage steam locomotives are better cut apart & melted for foundry melt. The metal crystals are weak from repeated induced stress. Documenting them and scraping them is considerably cheaper than preservation. It won't require as much real estate, insurance, or maintenance costs.
Like you say, the proper thing to do is to, "Scrap them & cast them into manhole covers, ship anchors or replacement pipe for the port of Haitii."
Junk all the remaining steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
Quit making an ass of yourself and actually read my comments.
History should be preserved, and destroying history is bollocks. Imagine if the US Declaration of Independence was documented, then thrown into a recycle bin, or if Abe Lincoln's hat were to be thrown in a landfill after documentation. Imagine if Independence Hall were to be demolished to make room for an office building. It is bollocks, eh? This same type of ideal is what you are suggesting: the destruction of history.
VaderNES 2 years ago
I have read your drivel completely! I don't agree with it. The steam locomotive did nothing to improve the rights of man or permit individual independence. It was just a transportation tool made of recyclable materials! It is fine as it is documented & photographed.
To junk it out, scrap it & cut it apart for foundry melt does not destroy history! It is just another material article to be used for new products to come.
It is the ultimate sacrifice to be used to make replacement piers in Haiti!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
The steam engine is a technical marvel, and should be preserved. Documentation will not do it justice, either. You cannot truly learn about how cross-country travel was by train in the 1800s without riding in a train of authentic rolling stock pulled by a vintage steamer. Words will not do it justice, nor are adequate.
Plus, diesels suck for funeral trains. Funeral trains require steamers.
VaderNES 2 years ago
Disagreed! The steam locomotive WAS a technical marvel in terrain transportation. Their time has come & gone.
Documentation & words are adequate.
We don't need to experience a ride in coaches moved by a steam locomotive. Besides it costs far less that preserving, securing, insuring, maintaining, operating & storing these relics of junk iron.
A diesel-electric locomotive is a beautiful funeral train for a steam locomotive in pieces in high side gondolas being moved to the foundry for melting!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
1. Steam still has unknown potential that can make it faster, more efficient, and more powerful than diesels.
2. Words are inadequate. Have you ever heard the saying "1 picture is worth 1000 words"? You think documentation is a way to learn, but words are useless. Words are only good for communication. Knowledge can only come from experience.
3. I hope you are cremated inside a steam engine's firebox. I know I will.
VaderNES 2 years ago
1. Steam locomotives have no future & are destined for the scrap yard.
2. Words & pictures are all that is necessary for preservation. No one needs this experience.
3. Steam locomotives have parts which can be removed & sold for souvenir value. People who need money quickly can do the job & receive cash for the sale. No questions asked.
4. Steam locomotives contain materials which are resources for new products.
5. Scrapping steam locomotives is a paying profession for many people!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
1. Steam power is still used in power plants. The improvements from power plants could be applied to new engines.
2. Words are useless, and pictures are 2-dimensional.
3. So do the bricks of Independence Hall, but that isn't going to be destroyed.
4. Cast iron is useless for anything other than decorative use. Diesels have much more valuable materials.
5. Diesels make more money at a scrap yard, based on material value. Plus, heritage railways and museums pay people, too (more, in fact).
VaderNES 2 years ago
1. Steam power is more useful in power plants than steam locomotives.
2. Words are powerful, pictures are useful in displaying these antiquities of pot metal.
3. Steam locomotives did nothing for American Independence. They should be scrapped.
4. Steam locomotive melt is useful for manhole rings & manhole covers & other utilities underground access covers, traffic signal standards, cement mill crushers & sorting conveyors at recycling plants!
5. Public interest is waning at tourist railways.
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
1. Steam power is much cleaner and cheaper than diesel power.
2. Words are only useful in communication. Words are a piss-poor substitute for an experience.
3. Steam engines expanded the United States, and made travel in the US faster and cheaper, which appealed to many, who moved to the west from places like New York, Ohio, Illinois, etc.
4. Steel is better for those, and steel can be found on diesel engines.
5. In Japan, they are actually adding regular steam routes, the first since 1975.
VaderNES 2 years ago
1. Wrong! Steam power is far more polluting than diesel power.
2. Documentation in words & photographs are all that is necessary. Nobody needs to experience steam locomotives.
3. Steam locomotives did change the transportation of heavy freight in the US. Diesel electric motive power is the next & better generation of development.
4. Steam locomotives are an excellent source for steel to make new & better products!
5. Just a matter of time before Japan ditches the folly of steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
1. Steam power emits CO2, which plants can absorb and turn into oxygen. Diesel emits CO, which is harmful.
2. For proper education, it is needed.
3. Diesel power is dirty and wasteful. Oil is expensive, too.
4. Diesels are more valuable, and are better for scrapping.
5. Japan is actually bringing them back. Japan ditched them in 1975, but is now bringing them back into service, due to nostalgia, and the appeal that the shinkansen lacks.
VaderNES 2 years ago
1. The fuel used to make steam for steam locomotives is more toxic than diesel fuel. When burned it is worse than diesel fuel burning.
2. Your point reads nonsensically. Perhaps this is an indication of your lack of education.
3. Diesel power is more efficient. To generate steam, the process is very inefficient, highly polluting & costs considerably more.
4. Steam locomotives have more iron & steel content. More materials to scrap.
5. Japan will soon scrap all steam locomotives.
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
1. Steam engines can be fired in many different ways that are cleaner and more efficient than just coal. Diesels can't.
2. Books are a shite way of learning. In order to learn about the fundamentals of science, for example, experimentation is much better than a book.
3. Diesels emit CO, which is toxic. Steam engines emit CO2, which can be absorbed by plants, and steam, which is gaseous water.
4. Most steamers just contain Fe.
5. Japan is bringing them back.
I'm done with arguing with tards.
VaderNES 2 years ago
1. Steam locomotives pollute more than any other locomotive no matter what fuel they burn due to their inherent inefficient design.
2. Documents & photographs are adequate to learn about the steam locomotive. No one needs to experience it. Just because you can't read & understand, does not make them a poor method of learning.
3. Steam locomotive exhausts are toxic to everything.
4. The iron in steam locomotives can be reused.
5. Japan is about to drop the program.
Junk the steam locomotive!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
thats beacause all american locomotives were built with out soul unlike british steam locomotives such as 4468 mallard and 4472 flyingscottsman
Gmclear321 2 years ago
Go ahead. Convince yourself what you believe are facts.
1. Steam locomotives cannot economically employ the improvements of steam driven power plants.
2. Only a fool would believe this statement.
3. Steam locomotives have parts which can be removed & sold.
4. True. However, steam locomotives remain good candidates to scrap. The parts can be removed & sold. NO QUESTIONS ASKED!
5. Vandalized, stripped, inoperable, heritage railways are worthless & people will not come or pay to see the junk.
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
wHAT!? R U F***ING TALK ING ABOUT streamers r the best thing ever made! did u know (u dumb S*** head) if steam trains were not made henry ford wold have not made the car! after all he WAS a part time train driver. thats what I say u FREAKIN SON OF A FRICKEN BATTEL TRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
97warpath 2 years ago
To cockroach2008
97warpath 2 years ago
Thank you for the very flattering compliment!
I respectfully disagree. The steam locomotive may have been the best thing ever made 100 years ago. The steam locomotive is no longer the best thing. If they were, the railroad would still have them in commercial use. Now they are nothing but junk, toys & amusements for backward thinking people.
Maintaining, operating, insuring & sheltering them any longer is economic foolishness. Bankrupts non profits orgs.
Junk them, cut them apart & melt them!
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
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As the economy gets worse, and it is going to get worse than it already is, it is a real simple question to answer with a "yes" or "no" response!
Do you want to spend your money to preserve the steam locomotives & their tenders or do you want to feed your family tonight?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
The steam locomotives are headed for the scrap yard where they belonged 65 years ago!
Cockroach
Cockroach2008 2 years ago
@97warpath
Well, Henry Ford didn't invent the car. Gottlieb Daimler and Karl Benz did in 1886. By the time Henry Ford started manafacturing cars in 1903, there were dozens of manafacturers of cars all over the world.
Ford wouldn't even have gotten the idea for the assembly line if he hadn't visited a slaughterhouse in Detroit in which they cut the parts of the animals who were haning in meat hooks running through the slaughterhouse.
Henry Ford openly supported Hitler too, with Ford trucks.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
@McLarenMercedes Henry Ford did not invent the automobile. Henry Ford invented the assembly line. The Duryea brothers are credited with having the first auto in the U.S. A man by the name of Charles Black of Indianapolis,IN actually had an automobile running approximately one year before the Duryea brothers.
1971Copperhead1968 1 year ago
@McLarenMercedes Swedens natural reserves was of benefit to Hitlers regime too.
ROCKSOLID19 1 year ago
I hope they restore all of the engines to working service, they are to good to just rust
hughescrab 2 years ago 3
Great video! the engine at 2:31 and 4:44 look new and operational! why would they just leave them there?
hoscaletrains500 2 years ago
A lot of them look operational. I I must steal them and restore. =)
DAKOTA56777 2 years ago 3
Who is 'we'?
Any idea what this costs?
And there are plenty of steam locomotives in the US rusting away that could be restored far cheaper than bringing back a unit from another country. Why restore something from Europe. If you are going to spend the money, spend it on something with US heritage and let Europe take care of its own.
Just my opinion.
charlieb640 3 years ago
Very nicely done.
Robkat3751 3 years ago
5*****!
megatwingo 3 years ago
Geez!! That QJ steam engine is new!! Get a fire inside and move it! I wish I could go there and do that.
boleamj 3 years ago 2