wow. they literally said under no uncertain terms that NOTHING would change their minds about this. that just demonstrates the mad almost religious fervor the of "truth" movement
It's quite funny, since now there have been over 1,500 architects and engineers who have signed against the official story of how the buildings collapsed..Weird isn't it.
It's absolutely hilarious to me how when anyone dares question the Government's story on something, they are met with patronizing, condescending ad hominem out the wazoo. I mean, are you people such enslaved little sheep that you find it PERSONALLY OFFENSIVE when someone questions the Government? Grow the fuck up and act like an adult.
@NattligMelodi You have it completely BACKWARDS. People who support the 'official story' are people who most likely think the government sucks and is a bunch of idiots in a poorly ran country when in fact the TRUTHERS are the ones who think the Govt is so smart and capable that they can pull off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world. With as many mistakes as this country makes, I just cant see how they can pull something like this off in 100% secrecy. Sorry.
What Mark fails to realize is the theory that he's going with regarding the collapse, the building would collapse unevenly and in chunks. In order for the building to collapse to a fine dust you and within its own footprint , you need high energy explosions and to have all core columns cut at virtually the same time.
@GoodLifeGodLike Not at all. What conspiracists fail to realize is physics. The building is not a lego nor a penny racer, it is made of many smaller parts, the joints fails and the weight from above crushes and the building would have to be knocked off over 100ft from its center to tip over.
@atraldreams people see things differently, im just not convinced it was a missile. Some people just dont believe in dumb conspiracies. You can keep tryingto convince me if you want, but i wont waste any more of my time on it. I have a life to live. I support our military regardless of cause. Every tragedy in history has weird things that no-one can explain, and to dwell on something that has already happened is just dumb. Move forward and put your mind on something that really matters.
This is the central tenant of dogmas. This is the answer for the person with no ACTUAL answers. The minute that you reveal this about your ideology, there is no longer any point in debating you, for your views are based on faith and your own (NON-expertise) opinion.
And they have the gull to claim they care about the truth? Disgraceful! If you believe you are right regardless of contradictory evidence, then you only care about your ego...
How is it that a bunch of engineers and architects (about 700 of them?) think that the collapse of those buildings couldn't have been caused by the fires caused by a plane crash?
"Not a single controlled demolition expert out there will agree with you." That's bullshit! Ever heard of Architecs and Engineers for 9/11 truth!? There are over 1000 physicists, engineers, and controlled demolition experts from around the world that would agree it was a controlled demoliton! Shove that up your pipe and smoke it! Try debunking all their research Mark! Let's use some common fucking sense folks!
7:08 That says it right there that they're not interested in the truth of the matter. If there's no argument that could ever change the minds of these guys then any rational discussion with them is futile. This is the antithesis of an open mind.
The Loose Change guys disagree with what experts say about the demolition theory, about the metal, and about physics. They seem to thing that they themselves have a better expertise and judgement, when really, they are a couple of nobodys that just say that they don't believe them.
Didn't the government spend more money investigating Bill Clinton's sex scandal than they did to investigate 911? I personally don't think that's fair to all the people that died that day, they deserve better.
And as for the so called pancake theory that the government is saying is what happened, then,hmmm, if that was true, then logically as they pancaked downward there would have been delays on each floor not free fall speed, there would have been resistance. Also, there would have been pancakes at the bottom, not not dust. Gotta love what the media and government feed to people on tv.
I love it, this guy is claiming that all engineers agree about the global colapse. Really...architechs and engineers don't agree, so who is lying. I like how the government is scrambling to debunk to guys cause they show unusual things about 911 cause they have no degrees. Lmfao
I really have a hard time believing that these guys can look this bad in a debate setting and not realize it. Guess what fellas, an unfalisifiable position is unscientific. These guys state outright that no evidence could possibly change their minds, and we are supposed to take their position seriously?
@Crazytacoism the spherical balls are proof that the iron was melted , an impossibility with jet fuel or office furniture, you need a blast furnace or thermite/thermate
These guys are idiots. If there were bombs or other structural demolitions in these buildings than why didn't the government just blow the building up with those bombs and say terrorists did it. More people would have died because there wouldn't have been a warning and they never would have had to use planes.
Actually laughable, you all argue and you miss it all, you only see one level of the game, I feel sorry for these two.. David vs Goliath? Sure theres alot of crazy people posting videos on youtube. but then again, grouping people who really need to be silenced with nutcases has been a long time strategy. James Tilly Matthews is the reason the word schizophrenia is embedded in your subconscious... its all so funny when you think about what you think you know.
@shajuggalo77 the movie is actually free online buddy. They put every edition on YouTube (obviously for free) as well. Of course they would need to charge for hard copies of the film, as hard materials cost money. Also, I see no problem with the creators profiting from said film. I've devoted my life to music, is it wrong for me to charge money for my demo? I'll gladly pay whatever price for the DVD, so long as they keep working hard to help us all find inner peace with the 9/11 events; even i
@Hellsadvocate It was an incorrect statement to begin with. I personally know controlled demolition engineers who agree, there have been dozens interviewed, Jesse Ventura was one as well.
revestigate 911 !! vote again vote again !! if the govt still says NO!! again ? then we allllllllllll know who is really behind 911 !!! just plain simple...... anyone out who doesnt want to give a second look at 911 investication? blood money?scared of them?scared of losing your JOB? or just getting knocked off by someone in the CIA AND BUSH POSSY?
@Hellsadvocate you would believe anything'' bush lover~!!! and the younger generation will set the world right.not you old farts,that think american pride is always on the up and up?cant fooooooooollllll the younger people!!
this bald guy talking out of his ass!, a building built in a third world country is a better than ours? there buildings are Cheap!! DUHHHHHHHHHH BALD GUY!! this guy is bushes bitch..
@orione56567 Yes but there's one small point your missing in that amoebic mind of yours....the building in the 3rd world country was not hit by a HUGE FUCKING PLANE FILLED WIITH JET FUEL...DUHHHHHHHHHHH
@Obelisk2290 My comment was actually directed to the person that claimed that 65% of the U.S. population believed that 9/11 was an inside job according to a poll. My mistake.
Well...I wouldn't go so far as to call this a "debate" so much, as it was more of a one-sided gauntlet. At times I felt like I was sitting thru a dissertation of the NIST Report.
Also, I find it intriguing that the vast majority of the comments I've read below seem to attack the Loose Change filmmakers, calling them stupid and immature for their beliefs about 9/11. What's interesting is that mainstream media polls continue to show that +65% of Americans think the government is concealing the t
Michael Shermer's 1997 book Why People Believe Weird Things described this type of behavior in fringe groups like holocaust denial, creationism, psychics, etc. These 9.11 conspiracist share many of the same characteristics: paranoid, self taught pseudo-intellectuals with little to no formal education using rhetoric and logical fallacies to attack their opponents' position and evidence without providing any evidence of their own.
@playadominical i would never say that these guys adequately defend their position or have any ability to counter this nihlistic form of debate that the "debunkers" use. however there are overwhelming factors involved in the occurences on 9/11 that cannot be explained by any official explanation given. All i ask is this..give us the tapes of the pentagon. show me that the plane hit and that is was the plane they said it was..i still wont discount the problematic collapse of physics...tapes tapes
@playadominical Shermer should write a book concerning operation northwoods to discuss why people WOULD believe such things. He could also discuss the process of water flouridation that should alarm anyone concerned with forced ingestion of any substance mandated by the government period
@playadominical WTC 7 free fell, impossible from fires. Flight 77 cockpit door was never opened..
so we just debunked hijackers and fires.
So the real conspiracy theorists are the ones behind these lies.
Since you discredit the truth without knowing it, I assume you are: paranoid, self taught pseudo-intellectuals with little to no formal education using rhetoric and logical fallacies to attack their opponents' position and evidence without providing any evidence of their own. DUHBUNKER
@FnkDctr instead of believing everything you see on the internet, you should try reading some of the source material for your claims. what you claim are facts are not facts at all. as for what i said, i think you are just too stupid to realize that what i was talking about was a BOOK by an author who specializes in fringe beliefs. i'd suggest it to you, but i doubt you have the attention span to actually read a whole book.
@playadominical Without providing any evidence of their own? Sure about that? Maybe you should actually look into some of Jason Bermas' documentaries before you make absurd statements like that.
ok if these kids like truth so much than why did they sell lose change on dvd and trust me they made alot money off this lie and we all know big lies make big money so please and if you guys look close there always saying well just go to our website and look for yourself lol witch in english mean give us more money so we can make most money off dumb people lol:)
this is debate is backward, half of it they talk over each other but for the points that were made mark, talks a load if shit saying he held the molten metal that dripped from WTC2 and to say that the 9/11 commision had alot of good information in is backward WAKE UP, THIS INTERVIEW WAS 5 YEARS AGO, LOOSE CHANGE HAS IMPROVED ALOT AND THE FINAL EDITION HAS ENGINEERS AND FIREFIGHTERS INTERVIEWED ITS A SHAME THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INTERVIWED AGAIN
Hey all these cops and firefighters won't talk to us. it must be because they are being paid or are threatened by the government. It couldn't possibly be because they don't want to talk to a couple of assholes with bullshit theories and zero respect for the friends and coworkers who died that day.
lol its funny how the host confesses that he's obviously not neutral at the end of the debate :)
and I think the Loose Change guys got pwned by Mark Roberts and his lovely sidekick the host of this show.
It's also humorous for me to see Jason's Ego getting smaller and smaller by the second of this debate. LOL and the Dillon guy barely said anything ;P fail
Keep up the good work guys.. 9/11 is about the oil and control over the countries with oil.. They are trying to debunk you because they cannot shut you up.. One day it will come to light like the Cuban Chrises
6:16 in the video......CLASSIC... someone who is controlling in a debate and who knows he has just got the upper hand.. I am sorry but all the way through this video you can see this guy is trained in voicing his oppionion and getting people to believe what he says.. These 2 guys are being controlled and this video is made to make people debunk loose change.. I watched teh original loose change and as someone with understanding of laws of physics I do honestly believe there is something amis
@RancidElf On top of that when you look what happened in London on 7/7 with a certain Mayor of New York appearing in London a day before the bombings there.. Well.. Just adds..
2:32 is the give away. ohhhhh the Government engineers. my bad. clearly their paid off or scared or in on it. they work for the Governnnmeeennnttt. you can't convince these x files fuckers to think rationally.
@RancidElf oh so you're a structural engineer? that must be why you're so quick to dismiss the opinion of every structural engineer that has weighed in on it. you know your shit dude. you rock.
I honestly don't understand how these two got such a large following. There must be some gene that I'm missing that would make me susceptible to theories that contradict fact and reality.
the debate here is trivial and geopolitical context removed. what surprises me is how easily the public have been duped into thinking it wasn't an inside job! equally the military is duped into thinking they fight for freedom and democracy when you have 20 year oil contracts signed for oil fields in Basra, the TAPI gas pipeline through Helmand and the heroin and opium industries all protected by the military . I would not call these boys conspiracy theorists, they are realists!
Really... When did you serve in the military? What unit? Then how the fuck would you know what we're fighting for. Defend a voting location while watching people talking happily while mortars land within fifty yards of them and then talk. I would consider that a fight for freedom.
The 20 year Basra Contract? Where is that? I am only aware of the large contracts going to Russia and China. Only one american company bidded on a contract and it lost.
@usindependent50 The military are in areas with significant reserves of oil/gas, resources worth fighting for. There are worse abuses of freedom out there so this is a poor theory. Think not in terms of US, China, UK, think global. BP & CNPC have vested interests and investments together. BP-led consortium has the largest oil contract in Iraq protected by the military. Precisely the reason I would never serve in the military.
I suppose in some complex ways the oil industry could somehow profit but that being the reason for the war is absurd. I'll admit that the Iraq War was timed and executed poorly and that is the main reason for the dislike of the war. But to say it was not justified, or at least in the military aspect, is just completely insulting to anyone who has served.
Anyone who has served knows nothing of any oil. There fighting for Iraq, not oil. There sacrifice was for Iraq.
@usindependent50 Its not absurd. I don't wish to insult anyone who has served in the military, nor suggest the military doesn't do some very useful things. I want everyone who has served and is considering serving in the military to know that the main driver for the war in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya is the war for oil and gas and control of trade - and nothing has changed throughout the history of mankind. The military are told and believe that they fight for democracy/freedom
Mark Roberts: "Any engineer will [prove you wrong.]" "What you need to do is get an Engineer to write a paper to be reviewed." "The engineers ALL disagree with you guys."
Wrong. Actually not only Arquitecsts but a shitload of Engineers do agree with them: watch?v=b74naeawdCs
And I have no idea why you "doth your cap" to a tool like Mark Roberts lol... I've seen better debunking.
There are approximately 1400 engineers in AE911 Truth internationally. Out of approximately a hundred million engineers and architects operating internationally. That is .0014% of engineers that operate worldwide.Thats not really that large of a movement. I have looked at those profiles and some dont believe planes impacted the towers.
The other thing that concerns me is that they accept donations but what do they use those to fund? They have done no research or experiments.
@usindependent50 Wow you've done your math. Why do you think they're a minority? Maybe they're risking their names and jobs to public ridicule? Oh right, they're doing this for donations! Srsly 1st we had to buy it because no one would dare stand up to NIST (or get fired) now that we actually have pros saying many things don't add up (not even mentioning Pentagon) you still deny it? It's so much easier to conform isn't it? Their points are valid. You've been lied to, wake up.
I was simply addressing the fact that you claim a "shit load" of architects and engineers agree with the conspiracy theories. I myself believe that a shit load is a little bit larger that .0014% of those in the occupational field.
In my opinion it seems your conforming to the conspiracy culture of the internet. If I did not ask questions or acknowledge information then I could be considered a conformer. However i'm questioning your argument and not conforming to these conspiracies...
@usindependent50 You can understand why I called it a "shitload" when you simply compare it to NONE, like Mark said. In fact, what's your point on the matter anyway, discredit them and me? My point stands really so that was uncalled for IMO.
So you "ask questions and acknowledge info" and you still ate what they fed you. I doubt your common sense, sir, because it's not so much a "theory" now when there are basic facts on the table that contradict what we've been told. That's why you conform.
All right I'll let you flaunt all of those amazing and braze architects and engineers that somehow made it through with a degree despite their lack of architectural and engineering skills that is evident through their profiles.
Dont assume. You immediately claimed that I "ate what they fed me" Did I ever say I believed the official stories of 9/11Commission or the NIST? I have my own opinion on the event. Your saying I conform because I'm wrong. Incorrect definition.
Conformity would require me to CONFORM with a group. I am an independent researcher who uses multiple sources. Not just the government reports. I find it funny whenever I try to present information truthers either tell me something like "WAKE UP" "YOUR A SHEEP" "YOUR BLIND"
But when I contradict you with basic facts you ignore them, "My point stands"
Continue conforming with your group of conspiracy theorists.
@usindependent50 What basic facts? You said they weren't really shit loads of A's and E's right? And I said why they sure are as opposed to none. Does it render my statement useless? Does it debunk anything? No, hence my point stands when Mark said no one agreed with them which is false. Where did I ignore anything ,sir? Please explain.
Well, I could say the same thing, whenever someone contests the "truth", you all go "OMFG CONSPIRACY THEORISTS". Your statement works both ways I'm afraid.
He most likely did not mean absolutely none, he meant basically none.
So to make sure this argument does not go on longer than it has to.
Mark Roberts should not have said, "none" but instead "a small lower performing amount" and you should not say a "shit load"
So you conformed to the general opinion that those who disagree with the theory of government involvement believe everything the government says. So my point is you could be considered a conformer just as much as me...
@usindependent50 Fair enough. I'll stress though, I only said "shitloads" because he said no one agreed with them, and continued on claiming they needed an engineer to corroborate and so forth. True, he should not've said it, but he did, as a last nail to discredit them. That's a low blow IMO.
Internet's an awesome and dangerous place, and like you I choose my facts carefully. There's even looneys claming no planes hit WTC... You have to agree though, that some things just don't add up.
The point of this one sided debate is to continuously do your own research and do not simply believe the governments official story or "conspiracy" theories based on how convincing one or the other may seem. I read a lot of what Alex Jones publishes but if I do not do my own research then I am still no further ahead in my ability to think critically. Without Americans working to inform themselves by means other than mainstream or independent propaganda, the republic will not last.
You cant win against conspraivy theorists...because then...they pick and choose there experts...they pick and choose there facts...they claim all the goveremtnts are liars and / or work for the goverenment....the media lies...the people lie....the goverment lies...they all lie...they all lie....im really surprsied he didnt accuse mark being in on it cs thats what he did with the guy from popular mechanics....anyway you cant win with conspraicy thoerist....becuse then...it is a conspraicy thoery
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Are you some kind of an idiot? How about you actually read the counterevidence presented by independant scientists and not government employees.
"Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe"
Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen
@LoyolaIgnatius did you just call me an idiot?.....the person who believes in stupid ass horrible fucken conspraciy theories?....really?.....really?..........u do ralize...most peole....probably think ur the idiot...not me.....
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I'm sorry but I haven't read anything smart from your side, just accusations. I am not the one who watches corporate media, I really hope you know what "corporate" actually means. I do not care what "most" people think, I have my own brain to realize that buildings cannot fall in free fall speed. It is not a "conspiracy theory" when scientists find explosives in the debris of all three WTC buildings. So what are your arguments? You don't have any? Well then you're an IDIOT!!
@LoyolaIgnatius you dont have to read anything from my side...just go the websites that debunk ur horrible crazy conspraicy thoeries......i mean......its been done.......the problem is....u questoin anyone that debunks them...."the cooperate media" (funny)......or.....the goverenment is in on it....funny......theres no way to win with people like u....u queston anything and everything....and u take the uknown parts and claim "ah ha its a conspricy theory!!".....
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I know all these debunking site. They are nothing more than pathetic, non-scientifical propaganda made by non-professionals. None of these debunkers hold a serious degree, unless they are paid by the government. You must be a hell of a nut to believe that buildings can be brought down if fire. That idiot Mark Roberts, who you love so much, actually claims that nano-thermite is a primer paint!!! How stupid are you to believe that if dozen of scientists have proven different?
@LoyolaIgnatius see what i mean?....u just ignore all the facts...and claim that there all "in on it"....or that there all "unedcuated then".....i mean..u just proved my point...u pick and choose ur experts..u pick and choose who u want to blieve..u dont go by the bigger picture...u dont have a coherent way to say ahhh it all fits...no...u just deny what u want to deny, and take the unknown parts and come up with conpsriacy thoeies..and thats why...sometiems u cant win with a conspricy theorist
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Well don't you choose who you want to believe also? I guess we all have to believe someone. But i tend to believe someone that has credibility. I REPEAT IT AGAIN, NO NANO-THERMITE HAS BEEN DEBUNKED YET, PERIOD!!!!! PROVE ME WRONG!!!!
@LoyolaIgnatius yes i do pick and choose...but theres a difference.....i go by the bigger picture....most of the people i side with are in the majority.....more experts side with Mark instead of the stupid kids.....most experts explain logically.....but ur side is in the minority...and u cant explain everything...which is why in the end u give answers like "there all paid" or "there all in on it" or "they work for the goveremnt" or "there Jewish then here" or something stupid or something crazy
@DjBobbyLosAngeles "more experts side with Mark" Prove it!!!!! Aetruth has 1500 architects and engineers that claim the builds were brought down by dynomites. I can show you every name and their degree, so what can you show me? give me some proof to your statements.
@LoyolaIgnatius i thought u said u went to the websites thaat ddebunk it then?.....well u obviuosly havnt..when u say that more dont agree with mark, then u havnt gone to the websites.......and by the way.....experts dont include bill joe bob or john mystery......they include people with creditials.....and if u realllly donnnt know that most experts with credetianls agree with mark and not ur two stupid kids then....well then.....u havnt gone to the websites and resarched...or ur a liar
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Yet again you are generalizing, saying that most experts agree with Mark, and you can't even prove it to me. Mark doesn't even have a Dr. title, well guess what Prof. Steven Jones, Prof. Niels Harrit have one, and they have found nano-thermite in the dust. So what did your beloved scientists find? Oh wait, they didn't even look for explosives or incendiaries.
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I am saying that you are to stupid to take the hard evidence and study if for yourself. It won't take 5 minutes for a normal human beeing that the government is lying big time. You want a scientific paper that debunks the WTC7 analysis by the government? Here is one, written by a professional engineer:
@LoyolaIgnatius the government is lying....ahh ok.....and u do realize that the goverenment isnt one big room....what part of the goverment?....who is lying?....why are they lying?...how did so many get away with it? Or is it a few in the govemerent?.......and are the people lying to?...cus people work in the goverment?...and is the media in on it?...please dont say the media is in on it....thats insane...and stupid....the medai in america is free...and repots pretty much anything then....
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Do you even understand what you are writing there? Do you even know how media functions? Do you know the term "corporate media"? The government is not lying? Ok where do we start? The government lied about the Gulf of Tonking incident, the gov. lied about the cold war, the gov. lied about WMDs in Iraq. I can continue for hours!!!
@LoyolaIgnatius the goverment lies.....so therefore....the media is all in on it?....is this ur logic?......and please....do tell me how the media functions......im sure ur a real expert on all the media.......let me guess....theyyyyyyyyyyyyy all get paid by the governement?...no wait....they all get controled by theeeeeeeeeee Jews then here then here ground? ?
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Who owns the media? It's about 5 big coorporations with very close ties to the government. There is enough irrefutable evidence for it. That information is for free if you look for it. No conspiracy there. Big oil companies are on the board of those big coorporations that sensor every bit of a piece that you get to hear from the media.
@LoyolaIgnatius actually there is a conspricy......all u did was tell me some cooperations own parts of media....and some of them work for goverment....that d oesnt prove shit....or mean s hit.....so then....its called a conspriacy theory.......but u tell me as if its all a fact then.......do u know the difference between fact and conspriacy theory?? ??
@DjBobbyLosAngeles It's quite simple, shmunk!! There is your fact: Why did 90% of the mainstream media not report on WTC 7? Why did most of the media say Iraq has WMDs? Why did most of the media say that Bin Laden is responsible for 9/11 if even the FBI says there is not enough evidence for it? Why most of the media reports only on 10% of killed palestinian children and for about 300% on killed israeli children?There are youre facts that clearly show a conspiracy!! It is not a theory!!
@LoyolaIgnatius i like u....ill tell u what.....how would u like to do a phone interview with me? And i will record it...and we can put it on the interent and for the public?.......if u say yes its real simple....ill give u my number...u call me...i record it....we debate on the phone...and i put it online...and for the public?....
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Or are you simple to stupid to understand 5th grade physics that you have to tell me to go and read some pages? Don't you have you're own mind? Logical thinking must be a big mystery for you
@LoyolaIgnatius u bleive in conspriacy theories...and u pick and choose what facts and experts u want to go bye.....and most people think ur stupid or crazy...and yet....u ask me....if im a 5th grader who is stupid then?
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I believe i facts, you are the one who believes in an al-Qaeda conspiracy that can trick out the most expensive defence system in the world.
@LoyolaIgnatius u believe in facts....are u sure?....cus i thought up icked and choose ur facts...i thought u were in the minority when it came to ur f acts.....and how come most experts disagree with ur facts...and how come most experts claim ur in the conspriacy theory if its all facts....oh wait...let me guess...."there all in on it".."there all paid by the govrenment"...right?....or?....
@DjBobbyLosAngeles What most experts are you talking about? You have really not a clue about the 9/11 topic. I've studied the evidence for years. How much time did you spend on this matter?
@LoyolaIgnatius wow uve studied it for years?.....and yet....u still think its a conspraicy theory?....lol lol......man....uve been wasting years and years of studying then.......lol lol .........
@DjBobbyLosAngeles You sound like a 13 years old kid that is clearly needs to grow up or go back to school and take some physics class. I have studied technical engineering in school well enough to understand what I am talking about. You on the other side, are spewing some mambo jambo arguments that you have gotten from FOX news.
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Where are your arguments? Or do you just have fun calling people conspiracy theorists? I am not a conspiracy theorist, i don't like theorizing about things I don't have evidence for. Bring some hard facts to back up your claims or gtfo!!!
@LoyolaIgnatius ahh another contradiction....well then...u know how u call me uneducated and a 13 year old...and stupid...and ignorant?....well then....i call u names also....man then...u conspriacy thoerists sure do contracit urselves.......
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Get your head out of your ass and face the reality you are living in, start reading some history books and stop listening to Bill O'Rilley.
@LoyolaIgnatius get my head out of my ass?...wait it hought u didnt like the name calling ?.....and why do u keep assuming that i like fox and bill oreilly? lol....are u even from america...im gonna guess ur from another country....cus u usually the shit that u type is from like stupid people who dont know the real america then
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I have not seen such a government loving type of guy like you who doesn't know anything about history!! Hey i see you're an Indian, guess who was in control of India for quite some time? Who did exploit the Indian people. It's the same people that are in control of most big european and american banks and yet you still love them so much. What are you, on crack or something? Have some decency and respect for your people!!!
@LoyolaIgnatius its funny that u bring up Indian people...cus most Indian people dont hate America....most Indian people dont believe in ur crazy conspraicy thoeries then....i mean.....why do u bring up Indian people when u dont even know about Indian people then?...and by the way....why do u talk about American media when u dont live in America?....or am i wrong do u live in america? ...cus if u do...man ur kind of crazy to belevei this kidn of stuff then ....
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Most Indians that live in America maybe don't hate it. But ask all the generations that are being exploited by anglo-american establishment down in India. Didn't you know that most companies that exploit children in India and empower powerty come from America?
@LoyolaIgnatius no i didnt knwo that...just like i didnt know that most of the media is paid by the goverment...or that they didnt report iraq didnt have wmds....
As an engineering student...I want to smack Jason (nicest way I could put it)
chimawizzle 3 days ago
Nothing will falsify their beliefs... sounds awfully religious.
Pirate44444 6 days ago
you debated this disinformant piece of shit on the twin towers.
MARK EXPLAIN THE COLLAPSE OF WTC 7.
NIST CONFIRMED FIRES AS THE CAUSE
NIST CONFIRMED FREE FALL
FIRES CANNOT CAUSE FREE FALL
YOU ARE A DISINFORMANT POS MARK
FnkDctr 3 weeks ago
I suppose thousands of tons of concrete and steel falling hundreds of feet on WTC 7 had NOTHING to do with the collapse?
How about the 30 foot hole in WTC 7's facade?
How about the southwest corner of WTC 7 chopped off?
Please explain firefighters predicting WTC 7's collapse HOURS ahead?
911 TRUTH DEBUNKED!
ctcole77 3 weeks ago
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@ctcole77 "I suppose thousands of tons of concrete and steel falling hundreds of feet on WTC 7 had NOTHING to do with the collapse?"
NIST CONFIRMED STRUCTURAL DAMAGE CAUSED NO SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN THE CAUSE OF COLLAPSE.
GO READ UNEDUCATED DUHbunker
"Please explain firefighters predicting WTC 7's collapse HOURS ahead?'
GUILLIANI PREDICTED THE TOWERS WOULD COLLAPSE THAT MORNING BEFORE ANY OF THEM DID.
GUILLIANI WAS WHO TOLD THE FIREMEN AND NATION TV THEY WERE GOING TO COLLAPSE
FnkDctr 3 weeks ago
@ctcole77 SO WHO TOLD GUILLIANI ON THE PHONE THAT THE TOWERS WERE GOING TO COLLAPSE?
WTC 7 WAS A BUNKER FOR GUILLIANI IN CASE OF TERRORISTS ATTACKS
BUT GUILLIANI PREDICTED COLLAPSE BEFORE ANY STEEL FRAME STRUCTURE COLLAPSED FROM FIRE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD
SO WHO TOLD GUILIANI?
DONT BLAME FIREMEN, WHEN THEY JUST REPEATED WHAT GUILLIANI HAD ALREADY SAY TO PETER JENNINGS ON NATIONAL TV
911 INSIDE JOB 100%
GET OWNED DUHbunkturd
YOU CANT DEFY SCIENCE AND GRAVITY. TRUTH WINS
FnkDctr 3 weeks ago
@FnkDctr
1) Structural engineers and firemen told Guilliani the WTC might collapse.
2) Why would destroy his of Guilliani "bunker"? Oh that's right, the super secret documents that could just be shredded!
3) Windsor Tower, Delft Tower, Kadar Toy Factory, interstate 10 interchange
4) Absolutely no building collapsed at freefall on 911.
911 TRUTH DEBUNKED (yet again)!
ctcole77 3 weeks ago 3
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@ctcole77 "I suppose thousands of tons of concrete and steel falling hundreds of feet on WTC 7 had NOTHING to do with the collapse?"
NIST CONFIRMED STRUCTURAL DAMAGE CAUSED NO SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN THE CAUSE OF COLLAPSE
GO READ UNEDUCATED DUHbunker
"Please explain firefighters predicting WTC 7's collapse HOURS ahead?'
GUILLIANI PREDICTED THE TOWERS WOULD COLLAPSE THAT MORNING BEFORE ANY OF THEM DID
GUILLIANI WAS WHO TOLD THE FIREMEN AND NATION TV THEY WERE GOING TO COLLAPSE
FnkDctr 3 weeks ago
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SO WHO TOLD GUILLIANI ON THE PHONE THAT THE TOWERS WERE GOING TO COLLAPSE?
WTC 7 WAS A BUNKER FOR GUILLIANI IN CASE OF TERRORISTS ATTACKS
BUT GUILLIANI PREDICTED COLLAPSE BEFORE ANY STEEL FRAME STRUCTURE COLLAPSED FROM FIRE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD
SO WHO TOLD GUILIANI?
DONT BLAME FIREMEN, WHEN THEY JUST REPEATED WHAT GUILLIANI HAD ALREADY SAY TO PETER JENNINGS ON NATIONAL TV
911 INSIDE JOB 100%
GET OWNED DUHbunkturd
YOU CANT DEFY SCIENCE AND GRAVITY. TRUTH WINS
FnkDctr 3 weeks ago
@ctcole77 GUILIANI WAS TOLD ON THE PHONE BY THE CIA WTC 7 WOULD COLLAPSE
SILVERSTAIN PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THE DEMOLITIONS
NIST CONFIRMED WTC 7 WAS A FREE FALL WHICH IS ONLY POSSIBLE FROM DEMOLITIONS AND NOT FIRES
NO OTHER STEEL FRAMED BUILDING HAS EVER COLLAPSED FROM FIRES
COMPLETE INSIDE JOB
1600 PROFESSIONALS HAVE PROVEN IT
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MARK IS A UNEDUCATED DISINFORMANT WITH NOTHING BUT STRAW MAN DEBATES
GRAVITY CANNOT BE DEBUNKED
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@FnkDctr
911 WAS AN OUTSIDE JOB!
1600 "PROFESSIONALS" WHO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE IN STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING, HIGH RISE STEEL CONSTRUCTION, OR CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
200,000 REAL ENGINEERS AT ASCE REJECT 911 TWOOFER MAGICAL THEORIES
ABSOLUTELY NO BUILDING COLLAPSED AT FREE FALL ON 911.
HOW CAN OPERATION NORTHWOODS BE A FALSE FLAG OPERATION IF NEVER HAPPENED.
911 DEBUNKERS UNITE!
WE ARE WINNING THE INFO WAR!
9/11 OUTSIDE JOB 100%
911 TRUTH DEBUNKED!
ctcole77 3 weeks ago
Not a single one, eh? Try Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. There's 1500 of them.
glzidane 1 month ago
his whole argument is being torn apart and you can see that he knows it is!!!!
pocomedy 1 month ago
wow. they literally said under no uncertain terms that NOTHING would change their minds about this. that just demonstrates the mad almost religious fervor the of "truth" movement
HookahMan99 2 months ago
It's quite funny, since now there have been over 1,500 architects and engineers who have signed against the official story of how the buildings collapsed..Weird isn't it.
huddacris3478 3 months ago
It's absolutely hilarious to me how when anyone dares question the Government's story on something, they are met with patronizing, condescending ad hominem out the wazoo. I mean, are you people such enslaved little sheep that you find it PERSONALLY OFFENSIVE when someone questions the Government? Grow the fuck up and act like an adult.
NattligMelodi 3 months ago
@NattligMelodi You have it completely BACKWARDS. People who support the 'official story' are people who most likely think the government sucks and is a bunch of idiots in a poorly ran country when in fact the TRUTHERS are the ones who think the Govt is so smart and capable that they can pull off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world. With as many mistakes as this country makes, I just cant see how they can pull something like this off in 100% secrecy. Sorry.
SRTtoZ 1 month ago
man that mole is horrible. its bad enough Mark is a smug looking clown. the mole just makes it that much worse.
FIGHT1FOR2CHANGE3 3 months ago
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It is so obvious 9/11 was an inside job and if a stupid sheep doesn't see it you can't argue with ignorance. God help to open their eyes.
Engb3259 3 months ago
I think the mole on Marks face was planted on him by the illuminati, it's a video tracking device and feeds him his lines, bwahahahaha, lol
jfree1998 4 months ago
What Mark fails to realize is the theory that he's going with regarding the collapse, the building would collapse unevenly and in chunks. In order for the building to collapse to a fine dust you and within its own footprint , you need high energy explosions and to have all core columns cut at virtually the same time.
GoodLifeGodLike 4 months ago
@GoodLifeGodLike Not at all. What conspiracists fail to realize is physics. The building is not a lego nor a penny racer, it is made of many smaller parts, the joints fails and the weight from above crushes and the building would have to be knocked off over 100ft from its center to tip over.
jfree1998 4 months ago
watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4
lopweb 5 months ago
Real skeptics beg to be proven wrong. These guys from loose change are irrational idiots. They ask questions yet ignore answers.
SeeingTheRed1 5 months ago
In all of these videos and debates and stuff, no addresses what I would think would be one of the first questions - "Why?"
If 9/11 was a gov't conspiracy, then why did they do it?
StaplerFace123 5 months ago 2
@atraldreams people see things differently, im just not convinced it was a missile. Some people just dont believe in dumb conspiracies. You can keep tryingto convince me if you want, but i wont waste any more of my time on it. I have a life to live. I support our military regardless of cause. Every tragedy in history has weird things that no-one can explain, and to dwell on something that has already happened is just dumb. Move forward and put your mind on something that really matters.
captainnixon1234 5 months ago
The fact that they both said that their beliefs cannot be falsified proves that their conclusions are unscientific and illogical.
MarshallStudios 5 months ago 2
Those Singapore buildings Mark Roberts speaks of were only 4 stories high.
sebrussell79 5 months ago
"What would falsify your beliefs?"
"There's nothing"
...
This is the central tenant of dogmas. This is the answer for the person with no ACTUAL answers. The minute that you reveal this about your ideology, there is no longer any point in debating you, for your views are based on faith and your own (NON-expertise) opinion.
And they have the gull to claim they care about the truth? Disgraceful! If you believe you are right regardless of contradictory evidence, then you only care about your ego...
saxoman1 5 months ago 2
How is it that a bunch of engineers and architects (about 700 of them?) think that the collapse of those buildings couldn't have been caused by the fires caused by a plane crash?
67Mannheim 5 months ago
@67Mannheim Don't make claims without sources... Can you cite your source please?
TheBellTollsForMe 5 months ago
"Not a single controlled demolition expert out there will agree with you." That's bullshit! Ever heard of Architecs and Engineers for 9/11 truth!? There are over 1000 physicists, engineers, and controlled demolition experts from around the world that would agree it was a controlled demoliton! Shove that up your pipe and smoke it! Try debunking all their research Mark! Let's use some common fucking sense folks!
sigmarecon 5 months ago
Its a waste of time explaining things to these two guys, they are making money making films about this idiotic conspiracy theory.
They have a vested interest in propagating this nonsense, yet, ironically accuse everyone else of having vested interests.
Its tragic that some people actually listen to them, they should be ignored.
betamale3 5 months ago
7:08 That says it right there that they're not interested in the truth of the matter. If there's no argument that could ever change the minds of these guys then any rational discussion with them is futile. This is the antithesis of an open mind.
CyberBushBush 6 months ago
@atraldreams ... A PLANE HIT IT! watch it again.
captainnixon1234 6 months ago
The Loose Change guys disagree with what experts say about the demolition theory, about the metal, and about physics. They seem to thing that they themselves have a better expertise and judgement, when really, they are a couple of nobodys that just say that they don't believe them.
MaJoDo 6 months ago
Didn't the government spend more money investigating Bill Clinton's sex scandal than they did to investigate 911? I personally don't think that's fair to all the people that died that day, they deserve better.
Roonoon2 6 months ago
funny how they keep side steping the molten steel found under all 3 buildings
richza123 6 months ago
And as for the so called pancake theory that the government is saying is what happened, then,hmmm, if that was true, then logically as they pancaked downward there would have been delays on each floor not free fall speed, there would have been resistance. Also, there would have been pancakes at the bottom, not not dust. Gotta love what the media and government feed to people on tv.
MrDalesplace 6 months ago
@MrDalesplace LOL
Crazytacoism 6 months ago
I love it, this guy is claiming that all engineers agree about the global colapse. Really...architechs and engineers don't agree, so who is lying. I like how the government is scrambling to debunk to guys cause they show unusual things about 911 cause they have no degrees. Lmfao
MrDalesplace 6 months ago
i blame obamas half brother the terrorist on 911
50TNCSA 7 months ago 2
Al-CIA-ta did it.
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1famekouby 7 months ago
I really have a hard time believing that these guys can look this bad in a debate setting and not realize it. Guess what fellas, an unfalisifiable position is unscientific. These guys state outright that no evidence could possibly change their minds, and we are supposed to take their position seriously?
bassbole 8 months ago
i havnt heard an explanation for the thermite residue and the spherical iron balls ? just wondering ?
tonythatjesusloves 8 months ago
@tonythatjesusloves Why would you mix thermite with shrapnel?
Crazytacoism 6 months ago
@Crazytacoism the spherical balls are proof that the iron was melted , an impossibility with jet fuel or office furniture, you need a blast furnace or thermite/thermate
tonythatjesusloves 6 months ago
These guys are idiots. If there were bombs or other structural demolitions in these buildings than why didn't the government just blow the building up with those bombs and say terrorists did it. More people would have died because there wouldn't have been a warning and they never would have had to use planes.
Tysis 8 months ago
WAAA WAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ATCSharp 8 months ago
I don't know what makes my blood curdle more..the gap between Jason's teeth..or the big mole thing on the side of Mark's face..........
kazoorocketman54 8 months ago 4
@kazoorocketman54 HAHAHAHA at least you can say your truly indifferent.
captainnixon1234 5 months ago
"I DISAGREE!"
HarrisonMilburn 8 months ago
wtc7 and Insider trading should have been covered. Thats the smoking gun 100%
Seigu007 9 months ago
Actually laughable, you all argue and you miss it all, you only see one level of the game, I feel sorry for these two.. David vs Goliath? Sure theres alot of crazy people posting videos on youtube. but then again, grouping people who really need to be silenced with nutcases has been a long time strategy. James Tilly Matthews is the reason the word schizophrenia is embedded in your subconscious... its all so funny when you think about what you think you know.
Kyza2 9 months ago
@shajuggalo77 the movie is actually free online buddy. They put every edition on YouTube (obviously for free) as well. Of course they would need to charge for hard copies of the film, as hard materials cost money. Also, I see no problem with the creators profiting from said film. I've devoted my life to music, is it wrong for me to charge money for my demo? I'll gladly pay whatever price for the DVD, so long as they keep working hard to help us all find inner peace with the 9/11 events; even i
RazedSeraph 9 months ago
"There's not a single controlled demolition engineer out there that will agree with you."
"DOESN'T MATTER."
Rofl.
Hellsadvocate 9 months ago 34
@Hellsadvocate Well, there was one at least, Danny Jawenko, but now he's dead >_<
kazoorocketman54 3 months ago
@Hellsadvocate It was an incorrect statement to begin with. I personally know controlled demolition engineers who agree, there have been dozens interviewed, Jesse Ventura was one as well.
NattligMelodi 3 months ago
revestigate 911 !! vote again vote again !! if the govt still says NO!! again ? then we allllllllllll know who is really behind 911 !!! just plain simple...... anyone out who doesnt want to give a second look at 911 investication? blood money?scared of them?scared of losing your JOB? or just getting knocked off by someone in the CIA AND BUSH POSSY?
orione56567 9 months ago
@orione56567 Rofl... you're a fucking moron.
Hellsadvocate 9 months ago
@Hellsadvocate you would believe anything'' bush lover~!!! and the younger generation will set the world right.not you old farts,that think american pride is always on the up and up?cant fooooooooollllll the younger people!!
orione56567 9 months ago
@orione56567 Yes, because i LOOOOVEEEEE Bush.
Stop talking out your ass you fucking moron. I'm 22. Bush Jr and Sr were cancerous tumors on the United States, along with Reagan as well.
The point? 9/11 was NOT an inside job. Look at the EVIDENCE.
Hellsadvocate 9 months ago
@orione56567
Yeah, those old farts can't fool you genius~!
AlexanderTheGood89 9 months ago
this bald guy talking out of his ass!, a building built in a third world country is a better than ours? there buildings are Cheap!! DUHHHHHHHHHH BALD GUY!! this guy is bushes bitch..
orione56567 9 months ago
@orione56567 Yes but there's one small point your missing in that amoebic mind of yours....the building in the 3rd world country was not hit by a HUGE FUCKING PLANE FILLED WIITH JET FUEL...DUHHHHHHHHHHH
hornetgags 9 months ago
As Vince Bugliosi said 3 people can keep a secret only if 2 are dead
Obelisk2290 10 months ago
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Rancidknewl 10 months ago
@Rancidknewl ding dong the bitch is dead
Obelisk2290 10 months ago
@Obelisk2290 My comment was actually directed to the person that claimed that 65% of the U.S. population believed that 9/11 was an inside job according to a poll. My mistake.
Rancidknewl 10 months ago
@Rancidknewl no problem
Obelisk2290 10 months ago
Well...I wouldn't go so far as to call this a "debate" so much, as it was more of a one-sided gauntlet. At times I felt like I was sitting thru a dissertation of the NIST Report.
Also, I find it intriguing that the vast majority of the comments I've read below seem to attack the Loose Change filmmakers, calling them stupid and immature for their beliefs about 9/11. What's interesting is that mainstream media polls continue to show that +65% of Americans think the government is concealing the t
Quellepaur 10 months ago
Michael Shermer's 1997 book Why People Believe Weird Things described this type of behavior in fringe groups like holocaust denial, creationism, psychics, etc. These 9.11 conspiracist share many of the same characteristics: paranoid, self taught pseudo-intellectuals with little to no formal education using rhetoric and logical fallacies to attack their opponents' position and evidence without providing any evidence of their own.
A very fascinating study in human behavior.
Jason = Derp!
playadominical 10 months ago 32
@playadominical lol
Engage777 10 months ago
@playadominical i would never say that these guys adequately defend their position or have any ability to counter this nihlistic form of debate that the "debunkers" use. however there are overwhelming factors involved in the occurences on 9/11 that cannot be explained by any official explanation given. All i ask is this..give us the tapes of the pentagon. show me that the plane hit and that is was the plane they said it was..i still wont discount the problematic collapse of physics...tapes tapes
runelord37 9 months ago
@playadominical Shermer should write a book concerning operation northwoods to discuss why people WOULD believe such things. He could also discuss the process of water flouridation that should alarm anyone concerned with forced ingestion of any substance mandated by the government period
ellisonwrigh60srage 6 months ago
@playadominical is their characteristics for people who believe everything the government says. what do they act like
TURBODORK2 5 months ago
@playadominical I love it how "not a single engineer. not a single engineer."
actually MANY engineers agree.
To say, "not a single" is a very strong claim, and is easily proven to be false with ae911 truth org
I think a lot more engineers have come foward and said WTC 7 was impossible, than more engineers have said it WAS possible.
1000+ vs ???
Love how to try to stereotype, but the contradict exactly what a duhbunker is at the same time.
If you knew facts, you wouldnt judge
FnkDctr 3 months ago
@playadominical WTC 7 free fell, impossible from fires. Flight 77 cockpit door was never opened..
so we just debunked hijackers and fires.
So the real conspiracy theorists are the ones behind these lies.
Since you discredit the truth without knowing it, I assume you are: paranoid, self taught pseudo-intellectuals with little to no formal education using rhetoric and logical fallacies to attack their opponents' position and evidence without providing any evidence of their own. DUHBUNKER
FnkDctr 3 months ago
@FnkDctr instead of believing everything you see on the internet, you should try reading some of the source material for your claims. what you claim are facts are not facts at all. as for what i said, i think you are just too stupid to realize that what i was talking about was a BOOK by an author who specializes in fringe beliefs. i'd suggest it to you, but i doubt you have the attention span to actually read a whole book.
playadominical 3 months ago
@playadominical I have a degree and work with computers at a higher level than you could dream of.
I read more in a day than you do in a year.
I red the entire scientific report of the dust analysis, it was about 30 pages I believe? You cannot tell me those are paint chips or primer.
I red a lot of the NIST report, and a lot of the NTSB reports.
I read or skimmed atleast 99% of the United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui court evidence.
I suggest you read them and get on my level.
FnkDctr 3 months ago
@playadominical wtf are you talking about? Many many many conspiracy theorist have very good education
thesavest 3 months ago
@thesavest i was talking about a book. did you not get that?
playadominical 3 months ago
@playadominical I would also suggest reading the reports, watching the media from that day foward, and also many other scientific studies.
Reading a "book" so you say, is usually a single author trying to get a point across.
Try reading the facts, not a harry potter or twilight book. Thanks
FnkDctr 3 months ago
@playadominical Without providing any evidence of their own? Sure about that? Maybe you should actually look into some of Jason Bermas' documentaries before you make absurd statements like that.
NattligMelodi 3 months ago
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playadominical 3 months ago
ok if these kids like truth so much than why did they sell lose change on dvd and trust me they made alot money off this lie and we all know big lies make big money so please and if you guys look close there always saying well just go to our website and look for yourself lol witch in english mean give us more money so we can make most money off dumb people lol:)
shajuggalo77 10 months ago
I wish someone would perform a controlled demolition on that guys huge mole.
hsAdaeDlivE 10 months ago
this is debate is backward, half of it they talk over each other but for the points that were made mark, talks a load if shit saying he held the molten metal that dripped from WTC2 and to say that the 9/11 commision had alot of good information in is backward WAKE UP, THIS INTERVIEW WAS 5 YEARS AGO, LOOSE CHANGE HAS IMPROVED ALOT AND THE FINAL EDITION HAS ENGINEERS AND FIREFIGHTERS INTERVIEWED ITS A SHAME THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INTERVIWED AGAIN
vibeackermann 10 months ago
"Remember there is not a controlled demo expert anywhere who agrees"
"Hey I don't care, i'll go with my youtube research and armchair theories. durrrrrrrr. i'm a fucking retard"
AtomicHercules 10 months ago
Hey all these cops and firefighters won't talk to us. it must be because they are being paid or are threatened by the government. It couldn't possibly be because they don't want to talk to a couple of assholes with bullshit theories and zero respect for the friends and coworkers who died that day.
what a couple of cock suckers
AtomicHercules 10 months ago
lol its funny how the host confesses that he's obviously not neutral at the end of the debate :)
and I think the Loose Change guys got pwned by Mark Roberts and his lovely sidekick the host of this show.
It's also humorous for me to see Jason's Ego getting smaller and smaller by the second of this debate. LOL and the Dillon guy barely said anything ;P fail
TommieXDee 11 months ago
Keep up the good work guys.. 9/11 is about the oil and control over the countries with oil.. They are trying to debunk you because they cannot shut you up.. One day it will come to light like the Cuban Chrises
RancidElf 11 months ago
@RancidElf
"one day it will come to light like the Cuban Crisis" (you mean operation Northwoods, right?)
I really doubt that.
You think that guy Mark is working for the government??
You don't need to blame the 911 attack on the government in order to argue that the wars in the Middle East are about oil...
mellamosean 10 months ago 3
6:16 in the video......CLASSIC... someone who is controlling in a debate and who knows he has just got the upper hand.. I am sorry but all the way through this video you can see this guy is trained in voicing his oppionion and getting people to believe what he says.. These 2 guys are being controlled and this video is made to make people debunk loose change.. I watched teh original loose change and as someone with understanding of laws of physics I do honestly believe there is something amis
RancidElf 11 months ago
@RancidElf On top of that when you look what happened in London on 7/7 with a certain Mayor of New York appearing in London a day before the bombings there.. Well.. Just adds..
RancidElf 11 months ago
6:16. Says it all this guy just gave up his poker hand.
RancidElf 11 months ago
@RancidElf wrong
2:32 is the give away. ohhhhh the Government engineers. my bad. clearly their paid off or scared or in on it. they work for the Governnnmeeennnttt. you can't convince these x files fuckers to think rationally.
AtomicHercules 10 months ago
@RancidElf oh so you're a structural engineer? that must be why you're so quick to dismiss the opinion of every structural engineer that has weighed in on it. you know your shit dude. you rock.
AtomicHercules 10 months ago
@AtomicHercules
Agreed, these stupid asses are making one excuse after another....argumentum ad ignorantiam, fuck it makes me sick.
AceofDlamonds 10 months ago
I honestly don't understand how these two got such a large following. There must be some gene that I'm missing that would make me susceptible to theories that contradict fact and reality.
Blacktoe 11 months ago
the debate here is trivial and geopolitical context removed. what surprises me is how easily the public have been duped into thinking it wasn't an inside job! equally the military is duped into thinking they fight for freedom and democracy when you have 20 year oil contracts signed for oil fields in Basra, the TAPI gas pipeline through Helmand and the heroin and opium industries all protected by the military . I would not call these boys conspiracy theorists, they are realists!
soundkartel 1 year ago
@soundkartel
Really... When did you serve in the military? What unit? Then how the fuck would you know what we're fighting for. Defend a voting location while watching people talking happily while mortars land within fifty yards of them and then talk. I would consider that a fight for freedom.
The 20 year Basra Contract? Where is that? I am only aware of the large contracts going to Russia and China. Only one american company bidded on a contract and it lost.
The oil theory is bullshit.
usindependent50 11 months ago
@usindependent50 The military are in areas with significant reserves of oil/gas, resources worth fighting for. There are worse abuses of freedom out there so this is a poor theory. Think not in terms of US, China, UK, think global. BP & CNPC have vested interests and investments together. BP-led consortium has the largest oil contract in Iraq protected by the military. Precisely the reason I would never serve in the military.
soundkartel 11 months ago
@soundkartel
I suppose in some complex ways the oil industry could somehow profit but that being the reason for the war is absurd. I'll admit that the Iraq War was timed and executed poorly and that is the main reason for the dislike of the war. But to say it was not justified, or at least in the military aspect, is just completely insulting to anyone who has served.
Anyone who has served knows nothing of any oil. There fighting for Iraq, not oil. There sacrifice was for Iraq.
usindependent50 11 months ago
@usindependent50 Its not absurd. I don't wish to insult anyone who has served in the military, nor suggest the military doesn't do some very useful things. I want everyone who has served and is considering serving in the military to know that the main driver for the war in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya is the war for oil and gas and control of trade - and nothing has changed throughout the history of mankind. The military are told and believe that they fight for democracy/freedom
soundkartel 11 months ago
Mark Roberts: "Any engineer will [prove you wrong.]" "What you need to do is get an Engineer to write a paper to be reviewed." "The engineers ALL disagree with you guys."
Wrong. Actually not only Arquitecsts but a shitload of Engineers do agree with them: watch?v=b74naeawdCs
And I have no idea why you "doth your cap" to a tool like Mark Roberts lol... I've seen better debunking.
Akujinb0x 1 year ago
@Akujinb0x
There are approximately 1400 engineers in AE911 Truth internationally. Out of approximately a hundred million engineers and architects operating internationally. That is .0014% of engineers that operate worldwide.Thats not really that large of a movement. I have looked at those profiles and some dont believe planes impacted the towers.
The other thing that concerns me is that they accept donations but what do they use those to fund? They have done no research or experiments.
usindependent50 11 months ago
@usindependent50 Wow you've done your math. Why do you think they're a minority? Maybe they're risking their names and jobs to public ridicule? Oh right, they're doing this for donations! Srsly 1st we had to buy it because no one would dare stand up to NIST (or get fired) now that we actually have pros saying many things don't add up (not even mentioning Pentagon) you still deny it? It's so much easier to conform isn't it? Their points are valid. You've been lied to, wake up.
Akujinb0x 11 months ago 2
@Akujinb0x
I was simply addressing the fact that you claim a "shit load" of architects and engineers agree with the conspiracy theories. I myself believe that a shit load is a little bit larger that .0014% of those in the occupational field.
In my opinion it seems your conforming to the conspiracy culture of the internet. If I did not ask questions or acknowledge information then I could be considered a conformer. However i'm questioning your argument and not conforming to these conspiracies...
usindependent50 11 months ago
@usindependent50 You can understand why I called it a "shitload" when you simply compare it to NONE, like Mark said. In fact, what's your point on the matter anyway, discredit them and me? My point stands really so that was uncalled for IMO.
So you "ask questions and acknowledge info" and you still ate what they fed you. I doubt your common sense, sir, because it's not so much a "theory" now when there are basic facts on the table that contradict what we've been told. That's why you conform.
Akujinb0x 11 months ago 2
@Akujinb0x
All right I'll let you flaunt all of those amazing and braze architects and engineers that somehow made it through with a degree despite their lack of architectural and engineering skills that is evident through their profiles.
Dont assume. You immediately claimed that I "ate what they fed me" Did I ever say I believed the official stories of 9/11Commission or the NIST? I have my own opinion on the event. Your saying I conform because I'm wrong. Incorrect definition.
usindependent50 11 months ago
@Akujinb0x
Conformity would require me to CONFORM with a group. I am an independent researcher who uses multiple sources. Not just the government reports. I find it funny whenever I try to present information truthers either tell me something like "WAKE UP" "YOUR A SHEEP" "YOUR BLIND"
But when I contradict you with basic facts you ignore them, "My point stands"
Continue conforming with your group of conspiracy theorists.
usindependent50 11 months ago
@usindependent50 What basic facts? You said they weren't really shit loads of A's and E's right? And I said why they sure are as opposed to none. Does it render my statement useless? Does it debunk anything? No, hence my point stands when Mark said no one agreed with them which is false. Where did I ignore anything ,sir? Please explain.
Well, I could say the same thing, whenever someone contests the "truth", you all go "OMFG CONSPIRACY THEORISTS". Your statement works both ways I'm afraid.
Akujinb0x 11 months ago
@Akujinb0x
He most likely did not mean absolutely none, he meant basically none.
So to make sure this argument does not go on longer than it has to.
Mark Roberts should not have said, "none" but instead "a small lower performing amount" and you should not say a "shit load"
So you conformed to the general opinion that those who disagree with the theory of government involvement believe everything the government says. So my point is you could be considered a conformer just as much as me...
usindependent50 11 months ago
@usindependent50 Fair enough. I'll stress though, I only said "shitloads" because he said no one agreed with them, and continued on claiming they needed an engineer to corroborate and so forth. True, he should not've said it, but he did, as a last nail to discredit them. That's a low blow IMO.
Internet's an awesome and dangerous place, and like you I choose my facts carefully. There's even looneys claming no planes hit WTC... You have to agree though, that some things just don't add up.
Peace.
Akujinb0x 11 months ago
@Akujinb0x Arquitecsts eh, fucking moron.
PureRaven 11 months ago
@PureRaven OH NOES A TYPO! Gtfo troll. Ty.
Akujinb0x 11 months ago
OMFG CONTROLLED DEMOLITION IS NOT A THEORY
IT'S A FRIGGIN' RELIGION
bedlaka 1 year ago
They both actually admit that nothing will change there minds. My god that is a retarted stance.
32410382 1 year ago
YOU ARE ALL EDUCATED STUPID!!! THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH, THE TRUTH OF CUBIC-TIME!!! I PRESENT IREFUTABLE PROOF, JEWS DID 9/11!!
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Kousaburo 1 year ago
The point of this one sided debate is to continuously do your own research and do not simply believe the governments official story or "conspiracy" theories based on how convincing one or the other may seem. I read a lot of what Alex Jones publishes but if I do not do my own research then I am still no further ahead in my ability to think critically. Without Americans working to inform themselves by means other than mainstream or independent propaganda, the republic will not last.
zzzWAPAKALYPSEzzz 1 year ago
You cant win against conspraivy theorists...because then...they pick and choose there experts...they pick and choose there facts...they claim all the goveremtnts are liars and / or work for the goverenment....the media lies...the people lie....the goverment lies...they all lie...they all lie....im really surprsied he didnt accuse mark being in on it cs thats what he did with the guy from popular mechanics....anyway you cant win with conspraicy thoerist....becuse then...it is a conspraicy thoery
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago 2
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Are you some kind of an idiot? How about you actually read the counterevidence presented by independant scientists and not government employees.
"Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe"
Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen
ISSN: 1874-4125
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius did you just call me an idiot?.....the person who believes in stupid ass horrible fucken conspraciy theories?....really?.....really?..........u do ralize...most peole....probably think ur the idiot...not me.....
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I'm sorry but I haven't read anything smart from your side, just accusations. I am not the one who watches corporate media, I really hope you know what "corporate" actually means. I do not care what "most" people think, I have my own brain to realize that buildings cannot fall in free fall speed. It is not a "conspiracy theory" when scientists find explosives in the debris of all three WTC buildings. So what are your arguments? You don't have any? Well then you're an IDIOT!!
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius you dont have to read anything from my side...just go the websites that debunk ur horrible crazy conspraicy thoeries......i mean......its been done.......the problem is....u questoin anyone that debunks them...."the cooperate media" (funny)......or.....the goverenment is in on it....funny......theres no way to win with people like u....u queston anything and everything....and u take the uknown parts and claim "ah ha its a conspricy theory!!".....
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I know all these debunking site. They are nothing more than pathetic, non-scientifical propaganda made by non-professionals. None of these debunkers hold a serious degree, unless they are paid by the government. You must be a hell of a nut to believe that buildings can be brought down if fire. That idiot Mark Roberts, who you love so much, actually claims that nano-thermite is a primer paint!!! How stupid are you to believe that if dozen of scientists have proven different?
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius see what i mean?....u just ignore all the facts...and claim that there all "in on it"....or that there all "unedcuated then".....i mean..u just proved my point...u pick and choose ur experts..u pick and choose who u want to blieve..u dont go by the bigger picture...u dont have a coherent way to say ahhh it all fits...no...u just deny what u want to deny, and take the unknown parts and come up with conpsriacy thoeies..and thats why...sometiems u cant win with a conspricy theorist
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Well don't you choose who you want to believe also? I guess we all have to believe someone. But i tend to believe someone that has credibility. I REPEAT IT AGAIN, NO NANO-THERMITE HAS BEEN DEBUNKED YET, PERIOD!!!!! PROVE ME WRONG!!!!
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius yes i do pick and choose...but theres a difference.....i go by the bigger picture....most of the people i side with are in the majority.....more experts side with Mark instead of the stupid kids.....most experts explain logically.....but ur side is in the minority...and u cant explain everything...which is why in the end u give answers like "there all paid" or "there all in on it" or "they work for the goveremnt" or "there Jewish then here" or something stupid or something crazy
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles "more experts side with Mark" Prove it!!!!! Aetruth has 1500 architects and engineers that claim the builds were brought down by dynomites. I can show you every name and their degree, so what can you show me? give me some proof to your statements.
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius i thought u said u went to the websites thaat ddebunk it then?.....well u obviuosly havnt..when u say that more dont agree with mark, then u havnt gone to the websites.......and by the way.....experts dont include bill joe bob or john mystery......they include people with creditials.....and if u realllly donnnt know that most experts with credetianls agree with mark and not ur two stupid kids then....well then.....u havnt gone to the websites and resarched...or ur a liar
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Yet again you are generalizing, saying that most experts agree with Mark, and you can't even prove it to me. Mark doesn't even have a Dr. title, well guess what Prof. Steven Jones, Prof. Niels Harrit have one, and they have found nano-thermite in the dust. So what did your beloved scientists find? Oh wait, they didn't even look for explosives or incendiaries.
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius u say im generalizing....and most people think ur generealizing.....
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I am saying that you are to stupid to take the hard evidence and study if for yourself. It won't take 5 minutes for a normal human beeing that the government is lying big time. You want a scientific paper that debunks the WTC7 analysis by the government? Here is one, written by a professional engineer:
The NIST Analyses: A Close Look at WTC 7
By Ronald H. Brookman, SE
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius the government is lying....ahh ok.....and u do realize that the goverenment isnt one big room....what part of the goverment?....who is lying?....why are they lying?...how did so many get away with it? Or is it a few in the govemerent?.......and are the people lying to?...cus people work in the goverment?...and is the media in on it?...please dont say the media is in on it....thats insane...and stupid....the medai in america is free...and repots pretty much anything then....
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Do you even understand what you are writing there? Do you even know how media functions? Do you know the term "corporate media"? The government is not lying? Ok where do we start? The government lied about the Gulf of Tonking incident, the gov. lied about the cold war, the gov. lied about WMDs in Iraq. I can continue for hours!!!
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius the goverment lies.....so therefore....the media is all in on it?....is this ur logic?......and please....do tell me how the media functions......im sure ur a real expert on all the media.......let me guess....theyyyyyyyyyyyyy all get paid by the governement?...no wait....they all get controled by theeeeeeeeeee Jews then here then here ground? ?
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Who owns the media? It's about 5 big coorporations with very close ties to the government. There is enough irrefutable evidence for it. That information is for free if you look for it. No conspiracy there. Big oil companies are on the board of those big coorporations that sensor every bit of a piece that you get to hear from the media.
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius actually there is a conspricy......all u did was tell me some cooperations own parts of media....and some of them work for goverment....that d oesnt prove shit....or mean s hit.....so then....its called a conspriacy theory.......but u tell me as if its all a fact then.......do u know the difference between fact and conspriacy theory?? ??
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles It's quite simple, shmunk!! There is your fact: Why did 90% of the mainstream media not report on WTC 7? Why did most of the media say Iraq has WMDs? Why did most of the media say that Bin Laden is responsible for 9/11 if even the FBI says there is not enough evidence for it? Why most of the media reports only on 10% of killed palestinian children and for about 300% on killed israeli children?There are youre facts that clearly show a conspiracy!! It is not a theory!!
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius i like u....ill tell u what.....how would u like to do a phone interview with me? And i will record it...and we can put it on the interent and for the public?.......if u say yes its real simple....ill give u my number...u call me...i record it....we debate on the phone...and i put it online...and for the public?....
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Or are you simple to stupid to understand 5th grade physics that you have to tell me to go and read some pages? Don't you have you're own mind? Logical thinking must be a big mystery for you
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius u bleive in conspriacy theories...and u pick and choose what facts and experts u want to go bye.....and most people think ur stupid or crazy...and yet....u ask me....if im a 5th grader who is stupid then?
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I believe i facts, you are the one who believes in an al-Qaeda conspiracy that can trick out the most expensive defence system in the world.
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius u believe in facts....are u sure?....cus i thought up icked and choose ur facts...i thought u were in the minority when it came to ur f acts.....and how come most experts disagree with ur facts...and how come most experts claim ur in the conspriacy theory if its all facts....oh wait...let me guess...."there all in on it".."there all paid by the govrenment"...right?....or?....
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles What most experts are you talking about? You have really not a clue about the 9/11 topic. I've studied the evidence for years. How much time did you spend on this matter?
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius wow uve studied it for years?.....and yet....u still think its a conspraicy theory?....lol lol......man....uve been wasting years and years of studying then.......lol lol .........
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles You sound like a 13 years old kid that is clearly needs to grow up or go back to school and take some physics class. I have studied technical engineering in school well enough to understand what I am talking about. You on the other side, are spewing some mambo jambo arguments that you have gotten from FOX news.
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius u say i sound 13...and most people think u sound 13....man u conspriacy thoerists sure do contradict urselves alot then
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Where are your arguments? Or do you just have fun calling people conspiracy theorists? I am not a conspiracy theorist, i don't like theorizing about things I don't have evidence for. Bring some hard facts to back up your claims or gtfo!!!
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius ahh another contradiction....well then...u know how u call me uneducated and a 13 year old...and stupid...and ignorant?....well then....i call u names also....man then...u conspriacy thoerists sure do contracit urselves.......
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Get your head out of your ass and face the reality you are living in, start reading some history books and stop listening to Bill O'Rilley.
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius get my head out of my ass?...wait it hought u didnt like the name calling ?.....and why do u keep assuming that i like fox and bill oreilly? lol....are u even from america...im gonna guess ur from another country....cus u usually the shit that u type is from like stupid people who dont know the real america then
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles I have not seen such a government loving type of guy like you who doesn't know anything about history!! Hey i see you're an Indian, guess who was in control of India for quite some time? Who did exploit the Indian people. It's the same people that are in control of most big european and american banks and yet you still love them so much. What are you, on crack or something? Have some decency and respect for your people!!!
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius its funny that u bring up Indian people...cus most Indian people dont hate America....most Indian people dont believe in ur crazy conspraicy thoeries then....i mean.....why do u bring up Indian people when u dont even know about Indian people then?...and by the way....why do u talk about American media when u dont live in America?....or am i wrong do u live in america? ...cus if u do...man ur kind of crazy to belevei this kidn of stuff then ....
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles Most Indians that live in America maybe don't hate it. But ask all the generations that are being exploited by anglo-american establishment down in India. Didn't you know that most companies that exploit children in India and empower powerty come from America?
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago
@LoyolaIgnatius no i didnt knwo that...just like i didnt know that most of the media is paid by the goverment...or that they didnt report iraq didnt have wmds....
DjBobbyLosAngeles 1 year ago
@DjBobbyLosAngeles are you serious?
LoyolaIgnatius 1 year ago