I think Mongragon did well by investing in static defenses (I rarely see zerg do that and it paid off well) and he kept up in expansions, but I think his unit composition was lacking infestors and he had the gas to support themn then he could use the infestors for harassment (10 o'clock base didn't have any cannons and 4 gateways) and to inmobilize the Cruncher's army with FG.
Also, Cruncher had the best unit composition and kept up with Mondragon's macro, I think it was a great game.
@gamlerik1 Lol... wasn't Day9 the gamer of the year? he knows more about starcraft then the pros themselves... and he used to be a top level BW pro himself - he just doesn't have time anymore because he is finishing up a math major
@d3008 Whatever, Day 9. (Look at this fucking idiot thinking him having friends with knowledge of his life and ambitions is believable in the slightest. LOL) Stick to your analysis - stay away from live games - you embarrass yourself.
@gamlerik1 I think you are the only one embarrassing yourself with your brainless comments. Go back to that hole you live in, or hopefully back to finishing elementary school you douche.
@gamlerik1 LMFAO day 9 casts every freaking tournement there is. IEM MLG TSL because he knows so god damn much a bout rts in general so stfu you crappy crappy player who thinks he knows best
@hiphopheadlyricist I don't even play! And skill at the game is NOt the issue. I know what I like and Day 9 sux at COMMENTATING live games. Him winning every SL in the world would not change this. If he's such a good player... PLAY THEN!
@Battleschnodder ...something different THAN... and you're right... to a very, very small extent. They are different words both describing a positive experience, however from OPPOSITE perspectives. 'I like' is innately subjective as opposed to "is good" which is fucking archtypically objective. So to wrap up todays lesson: Personal preference is only objective if you are...
From the "than - to" mistake you maybe already took that my mother tongue is not english, hence Im not american, ergo B and C are false, and from my (weak) skills in a foreign lanuage, you can conclude that I am most likely not twelve.
What do we take from this? That my "day9 is a good comentator" wasnt an expresion of personal prefrence but a real objective statement:
He knows more than most other comentators about the game, he is able to entertain the majority of the viewers and he
@Battleschnodder Ok. Easy now. Statements are never objective, unless you are religious and the statements come from your God. A statement is precisely a communication of the communicators subjective reality. If "X is a good commentator" is anything more than a statement is might be the conclusion to an argument which you have not presented in a convincing manner. Being good at other activities than commentating live games does not serve as neither proof nor evidence for you position. KOR?
@Battleschnodder if you don't see a need for a new investigation (I do), it is you who are comfortable in his "knowing the truth about 9/11"- not me. ...and again reading some logic would really do you some good.
@Battleschnodder Actually debating language on youtube (but I'm hella bored! =D). Statements can be objective. Example? That is a chicken. However once you add opinion it makes the statement subjective. Example? That is a good chicken (eating chicken atm). Why? What is considered a good chicken? Is it friendly ? Lays many eggs? Clucks softly? Clucks loudly? What is considered "good" varies. Thus "Day9 is a good commentator" is subjective not objective, although I do agree with your statement. =)
@CakeySoupy I said nothinlg is absolute. You should read. Every statement is subjective. It doesnt have to be a opinion, but only I see a chicken, and I could be halucinating, etc, etc. After your definition, "day9 is a good comentator" would be objective as well, because I dont say, Day9 is liked by everybody, but that he has objective qualities: He is fast in getting things on the map, knows a lot about the game and is liked by many. That is no opinion. Its fact.
@Battleschnodder "He has objec... a lot about the map" - These statements are subjective, they are all relative and based on opinion of what a good commentator should. What is considered "fast on the map" or having good SC2 knowledge? Is this relative to other commentators (Artosis/Tasteless ect.) or a viewer or a pro? What if viewers consider a more enthusiastic shout-cast (Husky) to be "good" and not an analytic one ? Many think Day9 is a good commentator, but there will be others that don't.
@Battleschnodder Even with your definition of objective being "something that is near absolute" the statement "Day9 is a good commentator" is still not objective."and is liked by many. That is no opinion. Its fact." yes its true that many like Day9, but those are all peoples opinions. Opinions are volatile and can change in a short time - so already this isn't an absolute. Again reiterating the convoluted chicken example - what is "good" in terms of commentating varies too much to be absolute.
@CakeySoupy if his comentating is bad or good is opinion. but does he as a comentator a good job? Numbers say yes. the qualities, a comentator should have are defined. if you like it or not, somebody with charisma, wit, knowledge and a conection with the people fullfills an objective definition of a highclass(a good) comentator
@gamlerik1 "Easy now. Statements are never objective, unless you are religious and the statements come from your God." This statement is so self-defeating it's not even funny. Either it's subjective itself, which makes it next to meaningless, or objective, which means it disproves itself.
Mondragon opened spire, and did it badly. When it is stargate vs. spire you absolutely need corruprots. Phoenix can't kite them because of the range. You can get free shots off and if he keeps making air, you win. Mondragon deserved to lsoe this game.
@thepenguinfromhell It would be sad if people are voting him up because they agree with what his words say. I thumbed up for the actual meaning of his post.
This entire tournament is evident that protoss is too easy and OP. Just do timing attacks and turtle to 200.
IdrA lost to cruncher because of FF spamming. Watching 7 roaches squeezed into 10x10 pixels is total bullcrap.
mondragon lost to cruncher because queens are the only shitty ground to air defense other than hydras, and they get owned by phoenix/ray combo. It's stupid that ground units being picked up by graviton beam can't do shit. You get hydras you get owned by colossi.
It takes balls to be this well manered, thumbs up for Mondragon, that was nice, sometimes i get angry out of a loss in ladder, i can only imagine how hard is to be eliminated from a tournament.
I just don't get how can he leave the core and the archives at so low hp... if he had only killed them he might've won... with so many gateways not being able to produce anything but zealots it would've been an easy win...
Lol zerg was countered so hard by all those units. Prolly shouldve had hydra ling broodlord mix. Even hydra, ling, muts. muts catch colossi that are coming to reinforce.
IMO mobility and creep are the least of the problems. If anything the Zerg tech tree feels more segregated than the other tech trees so I might advise getting rid of a structure in there somewhere and combining a tech path or two.
That really doesn't sound like a good solution, though. Guess we'll just have to wait for Zerg players to achieve the level of unit sense and decision making related to composition that the Protoss players were... gifted.
@MadBagOfHorses Well to me it seems like zerg-players has a hard time getting it spread out. One scan or aobserver and you have to send out queens to start all over. If the creps were to pop up faster with slower crep spread... maybe. Ah well, we'll see. In SC zerg was some what off until Savior came around, later Jaedong...
I think this is exactly what we're seeing in SC2 now.
I think the reason a lot of players feel like Z is weaker/imbalanced is because they play differently and I don't think many if any players have gotten a handle on the subtle micro techniques they need to use, like fanning your units out before 1-A'ing in. That's an easy example. Before long super gosu heroes will be doing micro tricks I can't even imagine and Zerg will seem unstoppable.
crunsher is so good against zerg!!! oh wait hes toss, bet 5 bucks as he gets 3-0 vs the 1º toss he finds.... semi-finals prolly pvp only, dunno, finals will be pvp for sure
Hydra + infestor would have crushed Cruncher's mix. Of course if the Z went Hydra/Festor Cruncher probably would have had slightly different unit composition.
The only damage Mondragon accomplished was using the Mutas, but I still think the mutas were a mistake. Cruncher already had star tech and Mutas were just too easy to deal with for him.
Lol @ qq. The only unit Mondragon had that was even remotely good against Cruncher's composition were zerglings V stalkers. Other than that Mondragon was fine with being hard countered that whole match.
Cruncher composed using counters, Mondragon composed in an attempt to use a tactic. Mondragon's mistake is that he completely ignored the composition Cruncher was going for to use his tactic. Cruncher had strong counters in pretty much every battle.
Right, they don't have infestors for fungal on the stalkers or Hydras to actually get anything done against the void/phoenix combo. They don't have those easy to use and readily available units because Blizzard patch them out.
That's right, Blizzard is really just a big bad trollololol that loves to make twerps like you squirm.
@hiphopheadlyricist Gay cannon rush? Oh come on I get 7rr'd all the time on ladder and that's a real attack guaranteed to do more than give you a little tummy-ache. I don't think you have your head screwed on straight
@andrewkilroyable you wanna tell me cruncher was better in this bo5 ? Mondragonw as more aggressive way more creative dident rely on 1a deathball or cheese. Cruncher was average vs idra i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but now i know enough.
@hiphopheadlyricist To answer your first question, yes. Also I think Mondragon did a very good job considering he only used hydras and roaches whilst Cruncher continued to fight off expansions under threat. Cruncher may have also improved and you are just feeling angry that Zerg lost when he was agressive, which was new yes. Most zergs just do a mid-game death ball of cheese with hydras... oops, sorry there.
GO CAPTAIN CRUNCH! Damn, I thought his previous victory over Idra could've been a fluke. But wow! So well managed by Cruncher in this last game. I love how he doesn't leave his bases so exposed in the late game vs zerg by spamming cannons. Good foresight by him, a lot of protoss fall because they keep losing their expansions to small counter-attacks.
I don't think the game's perfectly balanced either, but mondragon was simply outplayed here. A lot of people are yelling about "cheap shit" cruncher didn't even do in this game and ignoring the fact that mondragon fell behind in bases, upgrades, and kept using units that weren't well suited for the army cruncher had.
Another great game in this series. mondragon...not the best strategic player. He held out for so long w/o infestors and hydra. Heck, even mass ling would have made a world of difference. Good game!
Cruncher has been out playing amazing pros in the last couple tournaments he has entered.. .I am assuming most of the people watching this are America... why wouldnt you cheer for the guys representing your country.... Huk is my favourite player just based on his skill and being Canadian
@xTheNIL8Rx Well, zealots are often worthless and the stalkers themselves usually need force fields for protection along with either collossi or high templar reinforcing them. in a straight up battle mass stalker loses pretty hard to MMM or million-roach.
People whine about MMM because those 3 units are literally all you need sometimes. They're all low tier, require no risk or commitment to get out, can move together in an unmanaged blob, and are remarkably cost effective.
@llathem101 yea. and there were less zerg than anyone else to start too. NA server has two zerg as the top 2 players in the grandmaster league. just saying. FXOSheth for example.
Since when did "innovative tactics" mean "make the exact unit composition that is weak to my opponent's build"?
U ask since when? Never have heard of any kind of statement that proves your point.
Mondi won the 1st game clearly, should have won the 2nd game, but Crunchers knowledge to spawn the deathball prevents it, third game was a typical cruncher dumb awkward build. 4th game, g2 admit, was not the best decision making but mutas worked quite well despite of phoenix.
lol @ people saying he's a bad player. bad players do not make it into major international tournaments and beat professional gamers. cruncher has done both of these things and so it follows that he is not a bad player. as a korean once said to me "there is no point in emotions, there is only strategy". (a lesson against people getting angry over what is simply one strategy being better than another's strategy)
Fucking asshole protoss beating roach/muta/ling with stalker/sentry/phoenix/voidray/high templar/archon
All cruncher had to do was continually harass, get 3/3, correctly use all his units abilities, and wait until he was within 20 supply of zerg before moving in.
@sarsamis Exactly! Cruncher beats Mondragon with a 'cheese'-strat in Game 3 (although I don't consider Forge FE into cannon-rush cheese, but that's another discussion) and everyone's up in arms. He beats him in a macro-game and everyone's up in arms! Read this carefully people: If Mondragon is graceful in defeat - extends the GG and the 'well-played' - WHY AREN'T YOU?
Lol... I wonder how many Zerg players are so deeply stuck in their 'everyone is imba against me' mentality that they misread your comment as one aimed at any actual imbalance.
@sarsamis ur a bitchy ass baby, and you have no argument in your statement, just a bunch of blabber. i cant stand kids like you. Im sure youve done all the the behind the balance havent ya?? HAVENT YA???
@sarsamis ur a bitchy ass baby, and you have no argument in your statement, just a bunch of blabber. i cant stand kids like you. Im sure youve done all the math behind the balance havent ya?? HAVENT YA???
@sarsamis ur a bitchy ass baby, and you have no argument in your statement, just a bunch of blabber. i cant stand kids like you. Im sure youve done all the math behind the balance havent ya?? HAVENT YA??? Oh, and if you're top 10 master or grandmaster, keep your ignorance to yourself.
@sarsamis you do realize how much tech is in that right, zerg needs to develop strategies to stop it involving mass ling drops (tons of extra minerals right)
@sarsamis how bout you stop complaing and find a way to beat it then mabey you can stop being a idot and complain about everythign in a video game that never gose your way
@sarsamis im not arguing imbalance, but your post is completely illogical, and meaningless. the unit composition is irrelovent, if mondragon went ling/ultra/hydra/bane/muta/brood/roach/corrupter he would have been destroyed.
and your just straight up wrong, cruncher had 1/0/3
and cruncher didnt effectively harass, mondragon stopped his harrasment as efficiently as possibly.
All you pretty much did was list some meaningless / false statistics and made it into a pathetic rant
@sarsamis Are you even serious. You compare a variety of 3 units versus a variety of 6units? Of course and toss will have an easier time. Tons of some units doesn't mean that'll win your game. Yes I'm a Toss fan, but I've seen games were they get annihilated from Zerg. Many things provide a victory, like proper timing, upgrades, good unit mix, placement, strategy etc, and Mondragon didn't possess many of em this game.
@kimiiceman Find me one pro Zerg player who has gotten far in a major tournament recently other than Nestea, July, or Idra. I opened up Liquipedia and clicked on some recent tournaments: GSL5: other than July no Zergs did well in that tournament. World Championship: July made it to Ro8 and no one else. TSL3: Ro8 and zero Zergs remain. Look at MLG Dallas's bracket, the end is almost all Green and literally no red other than Idra who is still far from the finals.
@KamuiRyu88 Look at Code A for GSL 5. Sure Losira won, but the number of Zergs who go from Ro32 to Ro16. It goes from 14 to 4. The bottom half of that bracket has literally no Zergs winning. And I agree TheWind did play fantastic in his Ro16 match with san; but making it to Ro16 is hardly making it far into the tournament. Personally I think that both IEM and Assembly were both great shows by the Zs that played, but they aren't as high a caliber as the tournaments I mentioned in which Z failed.
@KamuiRyu88 Also let's look at how well Protoss has done in those tournaments: GSL5 in brackets P's lost 2 total sets. First round of the TSL3 out of 9 matches P lost 3. Second round out of 5 matches P lost 1. At DreamHack Stockholm P's lost 1 out of the 5 matches they played and it was PvP final. In GSTL March Z's won a total of 3 games excluding LosirA (LosirA played really well, but once again only 1 Z is even doing well in a whole tournament, there's gotta be something wrong).
@KamuiRyu88 Also I play Terran and Protoss, not Zerg, so I've seen how easy PvZ and TvZ are firsthand. TvZ is fairly balanced in my opinion, although there can be some really powerful all-ins from T. I recently started playing P and I realized I never have to harass or do any sort of drops and still win. Since I switched to P the other day I have yet to lose a ladder game PvT or PvZ. P has so many options for cheese+they're easy to macro. P's who complain or say they're not OP are just bad.
@iaiceikiingi47i I play P and Z and I'll tell that I agree on everything you sayd about PvZ even if when I get 4-6 infestors the mu becomes super easy for me, but not on PVT. T has option vs P. They just don't wanna try different stuff cuz MMM or just Marauder + Viking+ghost is incredibly effective and incredibly safe against everithing.
@KamuiRyu88 It's hard to deviate from MMM because any sort of Mech opening is very weak to early P cheese. I mean if you go Tank and your P opponent does some sort of Void Ray cheese you get destroyed unless the P is completely incompetent. And then late game if you go MMM at the start you lose because Colossi are so powerful against it. Personally I find PvT to be a lot easier than TvP, but Terran can be really powerful. It just bothers me that P never really has to harass and they still win.
for the cannon rush mondragon opened FE before pool which youre never EVER suppose to do because of your weakness to cannon rush and proxy gate. he got caught metagaming. I am commenting on games 1 2 and 4 of this series and every game in Cruncher vs idra. All cruncher does is stargate harass zergs lack of Antiair into death push. if you can mash the same strat in 7 games of the TSL and only lose 2 there is something wrong. pros constantly need to be innovative to trick opponents. toss dont.
@mdesj011 Mondragon did Not outplay Cruncher. As day9 and husky mentioned, it's Mondragon's fault for over-reacting and respond to cannon rush incorrectly. A "solid" Zerg would not make that mistake. His failure has nothing to do with race balance, cannon rush is there since 1996, u have 15 years.
Cruncher had to micro Rays while defending against multi-front attacks by the Zerg, that requires APM. You fail in killing Crucher in your multi-front attack, you allow him to get to 200/200.
@twndomn Yes.. Mondragon did fail in game 3 by his own fault.. But cruncher really is a terrible player that abuses the Protoss vs Zerg imba.. My friend 4-3'd him TvP [terran is his offrace] so I dont think cruncher will make it far because.. Well hes not good.. :\ Im not talking shit its just the truth.
@d3008 I just really like him as a player. But the inability to adapt the build is just painful to watch. I have seen one crazy korean game in SC BW where a 3 base protoss have won a game vs zerg that has expanded all over, just due to good defence and the zerg did not even take one second to think between suiciding units into tanks over and over. I had same feelings in this one. Just go hive tech damn it!
cruncher eliminated idra and mondragon; give credits where it's due. Killing zerg does not just happen, some people here just fail to recognize talents.
@twndomn spot on, there playing for cash. Cruncher just wants it more than most and that" idra ff and the :)" was just legendary charisma from this rising star of Protoss. More characters like this please.
why are people so mad about this. Masses of stalkers are not supposed to be counterd with mutas. Thats what he was spamming the whole game. Roach is ok but when he had that many blink stalkers i personally would have thought about some sort of aoe. ultraling, infestors, and a few hydras would have been nice
HD is the equilibrium ;)
Casshern027 8 months ago
@CakeSoupy & Battleschnodder, The chicken was finger-lickin-fuckin-good. Subjective or Objective the point is it was fucking good. :P
PrimaVista10 9 months ago
y no hydras?
longhornsforeva 10 months ago
obviously day9 is imbalanced, and overused
frozenfisherman 10 months ago
@frozenfisherman kudos! Hahahaha!
gamlerik1 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@austindlee997 Are you fucking stupid or something?
RedOnChrome 10 months ago
@austindlee997 Are you fucking stupid or something?
RedOnChrome 10 months ago
@austindlee997 Are you fucking stupid or something?
RedOnChrome 10 months ago
husky's starcraft is bad
benzaintarental 10 months ago
I think Mongragon did well by investing in static defenses (I rarely see zerg do that and it paid off well) and he kept up in expansions, but I think his unit composition was lacking infestors and he had the gas to support themn then he could use the infestors for harassment (10 o'clock base didn't have any cannons and 4 gateways) and to inmobilize the Cruncher's army with FG.
Also, Cruncher had the best unit composition and kept up with Mondragon's macro, I think it was a great game.
Billhyahoo 10 months ago
WRU Infestors?!!?!?
TheFuns1 10 months ago
should disable comments on these videos to stop spoilers getting thumbed up to the top
Tman64655 10 months ago
cant wait for cruncher to dissapear when blizzard fix the game
SerraAngelDK 10 months ago
GO CRUNCHER THE ONLY AMERICAN IN THE SERIES :DDDDD!!!!!!!!
sonictail301 10 months ago
what would IdrA say if he was playing CrunCher instead of Mondragon playing CrunCher?
mustarsic 10 months ago
Damn you Day 9, let Husky say.. H to the usky Husky!
CouzCouzVA 10 months ago 2
DAY 9 has NO skill on live games. From now on I will mute every game he casts.
gamlerik1 10 months ago
@gamlerik1 Lol... wasn't Day9 the gamer of the year? he knows more about starcraft then the pros themselves... and he used to be a top level BW pro himself - he just doesn't have time anymore because he is finishing up a math major
d3008 10 months ago
@d3008 Whatever, Day 9. (Look at this fucking idiot thinking him having friends with knowledge of his life and ambitions is believable in the slightest. LOL) Stick to your analysis - stay away from live games - you embarrass yourself.
gamlerik1 10 months ago
@gamlerik1 I think you are the only one embarrassing yourself with your brainless comments. Go back to that hole you live in, or hopefully back to finishing elementary school you douche.
Day9 > gamlerik1
GG no re
d3008 10 months ago
@gamlerik1 LMFAO day 9 casts every freaking tournement there is. IEM MLG TSL because he knows so god damn much a bout rts in general so stfu you crappy crappy player who thinks he knows best
hiphopheadlyricist 10 months ago
@hiphopheadlyricist I don't even play! And skill at the game is NOt the issue. I know what I like and Day 9 sux at COMMENTATING live games. Him winning every SL in the world would not change this. If he's such a good player... PLAY THEN!
gamlerik1 10 months ago
@gamlerik1 no, you are wrong. He is good at commentating.
Battleschnodder 10 months ago
@Battleschnodder No I am right. Chocolate IS better than vanilla. Taste is illegal. (Please watch the new 'Into the fire')
gamlerik1 10 months ago
@gamlerik1 thats no matter of taste. "I like" is something different to "is good". He is a good comentator. He just is.
Battleschnodder 10 months ago
@Battleschnodder ...something different THAN... and you're right... to a very, very small extent. They are different words both describing a positive experience, however from OPPOSITE perspectives. 'I like' is innately subjective as opposed to "is good" which is fucking archtypically objective. So to wrap up todays lesson: Personal preference is only objective if you are...
A. twelve ...or B. American ...or C. both.
gamlerik1 10 months ago
From the "than - to" mistake you maybe already took that my mother tongue is not english, hence Im not american, ergo B and C are false, and from my (weak) skills in a foreign lanuage, you can conclude that I am most likely not twelve.
What do we take from this? That my "day9 is a good comentator" wasnt an expresion of personal prefrence but a real objective statement:
He knows more than most other comentators about the game, he is able to entertain the majority of the viewers and he
Battleschnodder 10 months ago
@Battleschnodder Ok. Easy now. Statements are never objective, unless you are religious and the statements come from your God. A statement is precisely a communication of the communicators subjective reality. If "X is a good commentator" is anything more than a statement is might be the conclusion to an argument which you have not presented in a convincing manner. Being good at other activities than commentating live games does not serve as neither proof nor evidence for you position. KOR?
gamlerik1 10 months ago
@gamlerik1 point 1.: Nothing is absolute, so I have to settle with something that is near the absolute. In this manner, the statement is objective.
point 2.: I never mentioned anything that is not relevant to commentating live games.
point 3.: Day9 fullfills the definition of a good comentator. That you dont like him doesnt change this.
I rest my case, or however you say that.
Battleschnodder 10 months ago
@Battleschnodder Stay in school. Read up on logic.
gamlerik1 10 months ago
@gamlerik1 wow, you actually try to look suprior. You are not. Its simple: There is a concept. "good comentator". Day9 fullfills it. periode.
Battleschnodder 10 months ago
@Battleschnodder Bunifa, I surrender. Fake it til you make it. halla!
gamlerik1 10 months ago
@gamlerik1 sorry I didnt use your kind of logic. You know, the one that only applys to some special people who know the truth about 9/11
Battleschnodder 10 months ago
@Battleschnodder if you don't see a need for a new investigation (I do), it is you who are comfortable in his "knowing the truth about 9/11"- not me. ...and again reading some logic would really do you some good.
gamlerik1 10 months ago
@Battleschnodder Actually debating language on youtube (but I'm hella bored! =D). Statements can be objective. Example? That is a chicken. However once you add opinion it makes the statement subjective. Example? That is a good chicken (eating chicken atm). Why? What is considered a good chicken? Is it friendly ? Lays many eggs? Clucks softly? Clucks loudly? What is considered "good" varies. Thus "Day9 is a good commentator" is subjective not objective, although I do agree with your statement. =)
CakeySoupy 9 months ago
@CakeySoupy I said nothinlg is absolute. You should read. Every statement is subjective. It doesnt have to be a opinion, but only I see a chicken, and I could be halucinating, etc, etc. After your definition, "day9 is a good comentator" would be objective as well, because I dont say, Day9 is liked by everybody, but that he has objective qualities: He is fast in getting things on the map, knows a lot about the game and is liked by many. That is no opinion. Its fact.
Battleschnodder 9 months ago
@Battleschnodder "He has objec... a lot about the map" - These statements are subjective, they are all relative and based on opinion of what a good commentator should. What is considered "fast on the map" or having good SC2 knowledge? Is this relative to other commentators (Artosis/Tasteless ect.) or a viewer or a pro? What if viewers consider a more enthusiastic shout-cast (Husky) to be "good" and not an analytic one ? Many think Day9 is a good commentator, but there will be others that don't.
CakeySoupy 9 months ago
@Battleschnodder Even with your definition of objective being "something that is near absolute" the statement "Day9 is a good commentator" is still not objective."and is liked by many. That is no opinion. Its fact." yes its true that many like Day9, but those are all peoples opinions. Opinions are volatile and can change in a short time - so already this isn't an absolute. Again reiterating the convoluted chicken example - what is "good" in terms of commentating varies too much to be absolute.
CakeySoupy 9 months ago
@CakeySoupy if his comentating is bad or good is opinion. but does he as a comentator a good job? Numbers say yes. the qualities, a comentator should have are defined. if you like it or not, somebody with charisma, wit, knowledge and a conection with the people fullfills an objective definition of a highclass(a good) comentator
Battleschnodder 9 months ago
@gamlerik1 "Easy now. Statements are never objective, unless you are religious and the statements come from your God." This statement is so self-defeating it's not even funny. Either it's subjective itself, which makes it next to meaningless, or objective, which means it disproves itself.
xthebumpx 3 weeks ago
Mondragon opened spire, and did it badly. When it is stargate vs. spire you absolutely need corruprots. Phoenix can't kite them because of the range. You can get free shots off and if he keeps making air, you win. Mondragon deserved to lsoe this game.
stiv6240 10 months ago
I wish people would stop fucking thumbs-upping spoiler comments.
PresidentOfSpace 10 months ago
naniwa is going to CRUSH cruncher lol..... poor guy is gonna get murdered
ARTOSIS + Day9 PLZ
MariosGuy 10 months ago
Everyone, @sarsamis is being sarcastic. Chill out.
3Z3K13L08 10 months ago 9
Lmfao I don't know if its funny, or just sad, how many people think that sarsamis is serious.
thepenguinfromhell 10 months ago
@thepenguinfromhell It would be sad if people are voting him up because they agree with what his words say. I thumbed up for the actual meaning of his post.
BlckSbthMan 10 months ago
This entire tournament is evident that protoss is too easy and OP. Just do timing attacks and turtle to 200.
IdrA lost to cruncher because of FF spamming. Watching 7 roaches squeezed into 10x10 pixels is total bullcrap.
mondragon lost to cruncher because queens are the only shitty ground to air defense other than hydras, and they get owned by phoenix/ray combo. It's stupid that ground units being picked up by graviton beam can't do shit. You get hydras you get owned by colossi.
acidbasesalt 10 months ago
I respect you mondragon, but I think you should've cheesed at some point in this series.
randomplace 10 months ago
It takes balls to be this well manered, thumbs up for Mondragon, that was nice, sometimes i get angry out of a loss in ladder, i can only imagine how hard is to be eliminated from a tournament.
MadSnake123 10 months ago 40
@MadSnake123 So damn true, that's sportmanship
apopompi 10 months ago
@MadSnake123 can you please try and avoid making the winner obvious ? :(
iRawr7 10 months ago
If he went ultra's he could of won.
Milkysragdolls 10 months ago
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@ jpastelero
Dear Butthead,
Are u following any series? TSL3 no mor Zergs in the Tournament! GSL just 5 out of 32!
Total win ratio zerg 41%, Terran and Protoss both over 50%!
So go and f* your self!
Einrexer19 10 months ago
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@ jpastelero
Dear Butthead,
Are u following any series? TSL3 no mor Zergs in the Tournament! GSL just 5 out of 32!
Total win ratio zerg 41%, Terran and Protoss both over 50%!
So go and f* your self!
Einrexer19 10 months ago
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@ jpastelero !
Dear Butthead,
Are u following any series? TSL3 no mor Zergs in the Tournament! GSL just 5 out of 32!
Total win ratio zerg 41%, Terran and Protoss both over 50%!
So go and f* your self!
Einrexer19 10 months ago
Husky has made a valid point about the girlfriends. Maybe I must try and do that. :D
SICdrunk 10 months ago
oh she does not like SC2, nice try Husky :(
tredogzs 10 months ago
I just don't get how can he leave the core and the archives at so low hp... if he had only killed them he might've won... with so many gateways not being able to produce anything but zealots it would've been an easy win...
blabla868584 10 months ago
Lol zerg was countered so hard by all those units. Prolly shouldve had hydra ling broodlord mix. Even hydra, ling, muts. muts catch colossi that are coming to reinforce.
86sleekmaverick 10 months ago
Blizzard should beef crep, so that is grows faster. Maybe lower the cost to 15 energy. To get more mobility in the zerg swarm.
perfuzz 10 months ago
@perfuzz
IMO mobility and creep are the least of the problems. If anything the Zerg tech tree feels more segregated than the other tech trees so I might advise getting rid of a structure in there somewhere and combining a tech path or two.
That really doesn't sound like a good solution, though. Guess we'll just have to wait for Zerg players to achieve the level of unit sense and decision making related to composition that the Protoss players were... gifted.
MadBagOfHorses 10 months ago
@MadBagOfHorses Well to me it seems like zerg-players has a hard time getting it spread out. One scan or aobserver and you have to send out queens to start all over. If the creps were to pop up faster with slower crep spread... maybe. Ah well, we'll see. In SC zerg was some what off until Savior came around, later Jaedong...
perfuzz 10 months ago
@perfuzz
"in SC Zerg was off till player X".
I think this is exactly what we're seeing in SC2 now.
I think the reason a lot of players feel like Z is weaker/imbalanced is because they play differently and I don't think many if any players have gotten a handle on the subtle micro techniques they need to use, like fanning your units out before 1-A'ing in. That's an easy example. Before long super gosu heroes will be doing micro tricks I can't even imagine and Zerg will seem unstoppable.
MadBagOfHorses 10 months ago
imba protoss!
phangyingsoon 10 months ago
crunsher is so good against zerg!!! oh wait hes toss, bet 5 bucks as he gets 3-0 vs the 1º toss he finds.... semi-finals prolly pvp only, dunno, finals will be pvp for sure
xloRelas 10 months ago
I think hydralist would help cuz there is so many stalker..?
y0ng833 10 months ago
@y0ng833
Hydra + infestor would have crushed Cruncher's mix. Of course if the Z went Hydra/Festor Cruncher probably would have had slightly different unit composition.
The only damage Mondragon accomplished was using the Mutas, but I still think the mutas were a mistake. Cruncher already had star tech and Mutas were just too easy to deal with for him.
MadBagOfHorses 10 months ago
zerg had to get infestors for stalkers.
llindenau 10 months ago
No infestors against mass stalker ? I don't get it.
TheMoitah 10 months ago
Dear Blizzard Team,
Your game suckz!
Sincerely,
Every Zerg Player!
Einrexer19 10 months ago
If zerg won you won't be here complaining, instead you'll be celebrating the superior skills of the zerg player.
lousycactus 10 months ago
@Einrexer19
Lol @ qq. The only unit Mondragon had that was even remotely good against Cruncher's composition were zerglings V stalkers. Other than that Mondragon was fine with being hard countered that whole match.
MadBagOfHorses 10 months ago
@chrisyoungyi no, they both played equally well. the only difference is that cruncher is protoss so he wins
Toro953 10 months ago
@Toro953 yup, if your race wins, it's because of skill, if your race loses, it's because the opponent is OP.
lousycactus 10 months ago
@Toro953
Cruncher composed using counters, Mondragon composed in an attempt to use a tactic. Mondragon's mistake is that he completely ignored the composition Cruncher was going for to use his tactic. Cruncher had strong counters in pretty much every battle.
MadBagOfHorses 10 months ago
@MadBagOfHorses LOL too bad zerg doesnt have counters to any of those units
Toro953 10 months ago
@Toro953
Right, they don't have infestors for fungal on the stalkers or Hydras to actually get anything done against the void/phoenix combo. They don't have those easy to use and readily available units because Blizzard patch them out.
That's right, Blizzard is really just a big bad trollololol that loves to make twerps like you squirm.
MadBagOfHorses 10 months ago
@Toro953 Except that even Day9 noted that Cruncher was very good at PvZ at the end of the match
andrewkilroyable 10 months ago
@andrewkilroyable of course he is, he's a pro gamer. The matchup is still easier for him to excell at than it is for mondragon
Toro953 10 months ago
@Toro953 No, he said cruncher was especially good.
andrewkilroyable 10 months ago
@andrewkilroyable That has nothing to do with my argument. Im saying its easier for him to be good than it is for the zerg.
Toro953 10 months ago
@Toro953 No, I am saying that because cruncher was talented at the matchup that he won as Day9 had said.
andrewkilroyable 10 months ago
@andrewkilroyable too bad it doesnt take much talent to excel in pvz as protoss.
Toro953 10 months ago
@Toro953 Yes it does. It has a lot of timig issues for protoss
andrewkilroyable 10 months ago
@andrewkilroyable nigga, please. are you gonna sit here and tell me you dont play protoss
Toro953 10 months ago
@andrewkilroyable mondragonw as way way way better in all matches made 1 mistake witht he drones at the GAY cannonrush
hiphopheadlyricist 10 months ago
@hiphopheadlyricist Gay cannon rush? Oh come on I get 7rr'd all the time on ladder and that's a real attack guaranteed to do more than give you a little tummy-ache. I don't think you have your head screwed on straight
andrewkilroyable 10 months ago
@andrewkilroyable you wanna tell me cruncher was better in this bo5 ? Mondragonw as more aggressive way more creative dident rely on 1a deathball or cheese. Cruncher was average vs idra i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but now i know enough.
hiphopheadlyricist 10 months ago
@hiphopheadlyricist To answer your first question, yes. Also I think Mondragon did a very good job considering he only used hydras and roaches whilst Cruncher continued to fight off expansions under threat. Cruncher may have also improved and you are just feeling angry that Zerg lost when he was agressive, which was new yes. Most zergs just do a mid-game death ball of cheese with hydras... oops, sorry there.
andrewkilroyable 10 months ago
@andrewkilroyable
It's called siege tanks or colossus.
Also, cheese generally happens before the 4-5 minute mark.
tookedeamon 3 months ago
@tookedeamon Trololol. Random unit names lead to insta-win. Brood Lords.
Aye, you're right with the cheese thing alas.
andrewkilroyable 3 months ago
GO CAPTAIN CRUNCH! Damn, I thought his previous victory over Idra could've been a fluke. But wow! So well managed by Cruncher in this last game. I love how he doesn't leave his bases so exposed in the late game vs zerg by spamming cannons. Good foresight by him, a lot of protoss fall because they keep losing their expansions to small counter-attacks.
sor3999 10 months ago
Cruncher absolutely outplayed Mondragon here...GG
Ive never seen a protoss player hold off muta/ling/roach that well before
lilkoreanboytom 10 months ago
oh dang this is reminding me of brood war
sirmousalot11 10 months ago
All Zergs are out of tournament, there's definitely a disparities here between PvZ.
grind55 10 months ago
@xaxz1m1nrax sarcasm
I don't think the game's perfectly balanced either, but mondragon was simply outplayed here. A lot of people are yelling about "cheap shit" cruncher didn't even do in this game and ignoring the fact that mondragon fell behind in bases, upgrades, and kept using units that weren't well suited for the army cruncher had.
sarsamis 10 months ago
@sarsamis I think there is a problem in PvZ... however, I also think Cruncher outplayed Mondragon here.
Gyozomroka 10 months ago
he should a made broodlords
Cipher8721 10 months ago
5 protoss in the round of 8 hmm, hmm
BlakerXP 10 months ago
Another great game in this series. mondragon...not the best strategic player. He held out for so long w/o infestors and hydra. Heck, even mass ling would have made a world of difference. Good game!
chesmaster2ky 10 months ago
Why no use mutas to harass.. Sigh
Ne0ExDeath 10 months ago
Cruncher has been out playing amazing pros in the last couple tournaments he has entered.. .I am assuming most of the people watching this are America... why wouldnt you cheer for the guys representing your country.... Huk is my favourite player just based on his skill and being Canadian
firemansam54321 10 months ago
lol...stalkers are spammed more than marauders and marines ever were. And yet Toss cries at MMM
xTheNIL8Rx 10 months ago
@xTheNIL8Rx Well, zealots are often worthless and the stalkers themselves usually need force fields for protection along with either collossi or high templar reinforcing them. in a straight up battle mass stalker loses pretty hard to MMM or million-roach.
People whine about MMM because those 3 units are literally all you need sometimes. They're all low tier, require no risk or commitment to get out, can move together in an unmanaged blob, and are remarkably cost effective.
sarsamis 10 months ago
cruncher is a talentless hack mondragon should've won this series
typoded 10 months ago
Yep High templar are worthless now everybody. What a waste of resources those HTs are.
Paragonofcynicism 10 months ago
honestly if mondragon had gone infestors, and fungled the blink stalker while having brood lords in the back he could have done a much better job
xgreen55 10 months ago
why's everyone mad? Cruncher just out played him there both great players.
SpooooKy1994 10 months ago
SC2 Would suck of toss was hard :/
ThePatriot09 10 months ago
GOD FUCKING CHRIST I HATE HUSKY'S INCESSANT FUCKING WHINING VOICE
klaran 10 months ago
lot of butt hurt ppl on these comments eh?
JohnnyDarko01 10 months ago
wah wah wah imbalance and stuff
MrWonderful220 10 months ago
wait a minute, all the zergs are gone from TSL 3 now aren't they?
llathem101 10 months ago
@llathem101 yea. and there were less zerg than anyone else to start too. NA server has two zerg as the top 2 players in the grandmaster league. just saying. FXOSheth for example.
LordGilgamesh01 10 months ago
hahahaah all these idra fan boys raging because cruncher beat idra and they take all that rage against cruncher.
holofiz 10 months ago
Since when did "innovative tactics" mean "make the exact unit composition that is weak to my opponent's build"?
U ask since when? Never have heard of any kind of statement that proves your point.
Mondi won the 1st game clearly, should have won the 2nd game, but Crunchers knowledge to spawn the deathball prevents it, third game was a typical cruncher dumb awkward build. 4th game, g2 admit, was not the best decision making but mutas worked quite well despite of phoenix.
So i invite u to shut it.
Backdoorproggie 10 months ago
lol @ people saying he's a bad player. bad players do not make it into major international tournaments and beat professional gamers. cruncher has done both of these things and so it follows that he is not a bad player. as a korean once said to me "there is no point in emotions, there is only strategy". (a lesson against people getting angry over what is simply one strategy being better than another's strategy)
usernameichose 10 months ago
Fucking asshole protoss beating roach/muta/ling with stalker/sentry/phoenix/voidray/high templar/archon
All cruncher had to do was continually harass, get 3/3, correctly use all his units abilities, and wait until he was within 20 supply of zerg before moving in.
Fix this shit, Blizzard.
sarsamis 10 months ago 31
@sarsamis rofl your an idiot
God430 10 months ago
@sarsamis so what's up with blizzard? mondragon didn't do that.
KafshakTashtak 10 months ago
@sarsamis
Take a look at the grandmaster ladder rankings. There is only 1 protoss in top 8.
scorpio4850 10 months ago
@scorpio4850 grandmaster league is new.
CorrupTionBaby 10 months ago
@scorpio4850 He was being sarcastic lol...
ppshchik 10 months ago
@sarsamis Exactly! Cruncher beats Mondragon with a 'cheese'-strat in Game 3 (although I don't consider Forge FE into cannon-rush cheese, but that's another discussion) and everyone's up in arms. He beats him in a macro-game and everyone's up in arms! Read this carefully people: If Mondragon is graceful in defeat - extends the GG and the 'well-played' - WHY AREN'T YOU?
xs2dan 10 months ago
@sarsamis
Lol... I wonder how many Zerg players are so deeply stuck in their 'everyone is imba against me' mentality that they misread your comment as one aimed at any actual imbalance.
MadBagOfHorses 10 months ago
@sarsamis ur a bitchy ass baby, and you have no argument in your statement, just a bunch of blabber. i cant stand kids like you. Im sure youve done all the the behind the balance havent ya?? HAVENT YA???
bukk3t 10 months ago
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@sarsamis ur a bitchy ass baby, and you have no argument in your statement, just a bunch of blabber. i cant stand kids like you. Im sure youve done all the math behind the balance havent ya?? HAVENT YA???
bukk3t 10 months ago
@sarsamis ur a bitchy ass baby, and you have no argument in your statement, just a bunch of blabber. i cant stand kids like you. Im sure youve done all the math behind the balance havent ya?? HAVENT YA??? Oh, and if you're top 10 master or grandmaster, keep your ignorance to yourself.
bukk3t 10 months ago
@sarsamis you do realize how much tech is in that right, zerg needs to develop strategies to stop it involving mass ling drops (tons of extra minerals right)
TheLafingas 10 months ago
@sarsamis how bout you stop complaing and find a way to beat it then mabey you can stop being a idot and complain about everythign in a video game that never gose your way
carminedust 10 months ago
@sarsamis haters are going hate all i have to say to you first it was terran now it protoss
carminedust 10 months ago
@carminedust loooool you're a douche because he is joking around (sarcasm)...
..............
d3008 10 months ago
@carminedust Lmfao did you really think he was serious?
thepenguinfromhell 10 months ago
@sarsamis LOL SARCASM
Cruncher just had to defend and upgrade to 3 attack GG
TheLafingas 10 months ago
@sarsamis im not arguing imbalance, but your post is completely illogical, and meaningless. the unit composition is irrelovent, if mondragon went ling/ultra/hydra/bane/muta/brood/roach/corrupter he would have been destroyed.
and your just straight up wrong, cruncher had 1/0/3
and cruncher didnt effectively harass, mondragon stopped his harrasment as efficiently as possibly.
All you pretty much did was list some meaningless / false statistics and made it into a pathetic rant
noemercy1 10 months ago
@noemercy1 are you sarcasm impaired?
1bUgHi1 10 months ago
@sarsamis Are you even serious. You compare a variety of 3 units versus a variety of 6units? Of course and toss will have an easier time. Tons of some units doesn't mean that'll win your game. Yes I'm a Toss fan, but I've seen games were they get annihilated from Zerg. Many things provide a victory, like proper timing, upgrades, good unit mix, placement, strategy etc, and Mondragon didn't possess many of em this game.
Sefironthebook 10 months ago
@Sefironthebook "Are you even serious."
No
sarsamis 10 months ago
zerg tears taste good, why not try being good mannered like mondragon
kimiiceman 10 months ago 33
@kimiiceman Find me one pro Zerg player who has gotten far in a major tournament recently other than Nestea, July, or Idra. I opened up Liquipedia and clicked on some recent tournaments: GSL5: other than July no Zergs did well in that tournament. World Championship: July made it to Ro8 and no one else. TSL3: Ro8 and zero Zergs remain. Look at MLG Dallas's bracket, the end is almost all Green and literally no red other than Idra who is still far from the finals.
iaiceikiingi47i 10 months ago
@iaiceikiingi47i Well assembly final was ZvZ (Morrow vs Ret)...
IEM World final was ZvP (Moon vs Ace)...
Didn't Losira won Code A?
GSL5 also had a great oGsTheWind who doesn't even play the game cuz he spends all his time doing the coach for oGs... Plz don't be blind.
KamuiRyu88 10 months ago
@KamuiRyu88 Look at Code A for GSL 5. Sure Losira won, but the number of Zergs who go from Ro32 to Ro16. It goes from 14 to 4. The bottom half of that bracket has literally no Zergs winning. And I agree TheWind did play fantastic in his Ro16 match with san; but making it to Ro16 is hardly making it far into the tournament. Personally I think that both IEM and Assembly were both great shows by the Zs that played, but they aren't as high a caliber as the tournaments I mentioned in which Z failed.
iaiceikiingi47i 10 months ago
@KamuiRyu88 Also let's look at how well Protoss has done in those tournaments: GSL5 in brackets P's lost 2 total sets. First round of the TSL3 out of 9 matches P lost 3. Second round out of 5 matches P lost 1. At DreamHack Stockholm P's lost 1 out of the 5 matches they played and it was PvP final. In GSTL March Z's won a total of 3 games excluding LosirA (LosirA played really well, but once again only 1 Z is even doing well in a whole tournament, there's gotta be something wrong).
iaiceikiingi47i 10 months ago
@KamuiRyu88 Also I play Terran and Protoss, not Zerg, so I've seen how easy PvZ and TvZ are firsthand. TvZ is fairly balanced in my opinion, although there can be some really powerful all-ins from T. I recently started playing P and I realized I never have to harass or do any sort of drops and still win. Since I switched to P the other day I have yet to lose a ladder game PvT or PvZ. P has so many options for cheese+they're easy to macro. P's who complain or say they're not OP are just bad.
iaiceikiingi47i 10 months ago
@iaiceikiingi47i I play P and Z and I'll tell that I agree on everything you sayd about PvZ even if when I get 4-6 infestors the mu becomes super easy for me, but not on PVT. T has option vs P. They just don't wanna try different stuff cuz MMM or just Marauder + Viking+ghost is incredibly effective and incredibly safe against everithing.
KamuiRyu88 10 months ago
@KamuiRyu88 It's hard to deviate from MMM because any sort of Mech opening is very weak to early P cheese. I mean if you go Tank and your P opponent does some sort of Void Ray cheese you get destroyed unless the P is completely incompetent. And then late game if you go MMM at the start you lose because Colossi are so powerful against it. Personally I find PvT to be a lot easier than TvP, but Terran can be really powerful. It just bothers me that P never really has to harass and they still win.
iaiceikiingi47i 10 months ago
for the cannon rush mondragon opened FE before pool which youre never EVER suppose to do because of your weakness to cannon rush and proxy gate. he got caught metagaming. I am commenting on games 1 2 and 4 of this series and every game in Cruncher vs idra. All cruncher does is stargate harass zergs lack of Antiair into death push. if you can mash the same strat in 7 games of the TSL and only lose 2 there is something wrong. pros constantly need to be innovative to trick opponents. toss dont.
gimpzilla 10 months ago
@mdesj011 he did quite a bit of harass in the beginning, had different hotkeys for each unit type most of the game, and out-upgraded mondragon.
sarsamis 10 months ago
@sarsamis and mondragon had more supply than cruncher towards the end, so I have no idea where this "wait till 200" is coming from...
sarsamis 10 months ago
@mdesj011 Mondragon did Not outplay Cruncher. As day9 and husky mentioned, it's Mondragon's fault for over-reacting and respond to cannon rush incorrectly. A "solid" Zerg would not make that mistake. His failure has nothing to do with race balance, cannon rush is there since 1996, u have 15 years.
Cruncher had to micro Rays while defending against multi-front attacks by the Zerg, that requires APM. You fail in killing Crucher in your multi-front attack, you allow him to get to 200/200.
twndomn 10 months ago
@twndomn Yes.. Mondragon did fail in game 3 by his own fault.. But cruncher really is a terrible player that abuses the Protoss vs Zerg imba.. My friend 4-3'd him TvP [terran is his offrace] so I dont think cruncher will make it far because.. Well hes not good.. :\ Im not talking shit its just the truth.
DeSTRoYeR992 10 months ago
wow wow GG
rrfx7 10 months ago
meh, for money I'd canon rush 24/7, can't blame cruncher really...
DoctorTomm 10 months ago
Why do you guys hate cruncher? i dont get it
GraniteAge 10 months ago
@GraniteAge prob cuz he took out the last zerg in tsl3
AdigaHatukai 10 months ago
With a protoss in every game and one of them being a pvp (5 of 8 players are protoss in ro8) i think finals are going to be pvp :(
hizzlemafizzle 10 months ago
if u dont want spoilers dont read comments
hizzlemafizzle 10 months ago
mutas counter phoenix ? don't think so
utkua 10 months ago
No infestor play is very stupid. VERY stupid
Kuzma1253 10 months ago
This Cruncher douchebag really has to go choke on a rusty soup ladle.
xRawPower 10 months ago
@Kuzma1253 MonDragon sure has made some bad decisions in this series
d3008 10 months ago
@d3008 I just really like him as a player. But the inability to adapt the build is just painful to watch. I have seen one crazy korean game in SC BW where a 3 base protoss have won a game vs zerg that has expanded all over, just due to good defence and the zerg did not even take one second to think between suiciding units into tanks over and over. I had same feelings in this one. Just go hive tech damn it!
Kuzma1253 10 months ago
cruncher eliminated idra and mondragon; give credits where it's due. Killing zerg does not just happen, some people here just fail to recognize talents.
twndomn 10 months ago
@twndomn rawrawrawr no he is no good idra doesn tloose rawrawrawr
TheFoamingmonkey 10 months ago
@twndomn spot on, there playing for cash. Cruncher just wants it more than most and that" idra ff and the :)" was just legendary charisma from this rising star of Protoss. More characters like this please.
dnahsnam 10 months ago
mondragon is a fkin god of rts
jerryoliva123456789 10 months ago
Thumbs down the freaking spoilers please.
ThePavehead 10 months ago
why are people so mad about this. Masses of stalkers are not supposed to be counterd with mutas. Thats what he was spamming the whole game. Roach is ok but when he had that many blink stalkers i personally would have thought about some sort of aoe. ultraling, infestors, and a few hydras would have been nice
callummcintyre 10 months ago