How to Make Aluminum Nitrate Nonahydrate

[Heliman96]

I like your videos. But its expensive to do one of the experiments

[LolzICanFly]

Wouldn't it be easier simply to mix aluminum hydroxide with nitric acid and then let the solution evaporate?

[NurdRage]

@LolzICanFly not all aluminum hydroxide is processed in the right way that makes it soluble in nitric acid. if you happen to have a batch that isn't, then you need to go through hydrochloric acid dissolution anyway.

[LolzICanFly]

@NurdRage Okay, thanks. One more question; wouldn't it also be possible to put the aluminum foil in the acid and then use an acid-resistant rod to scratch the oxide layer?

[NurdRage]

@LolzICanFly That won't accomplish much, concentrated nitric acid just forms a new oxide layer on aluminum after you scratch off the old one. You need an acid that doesn't do that.

But tell me something, why are you so hellbent on avoiding the method in the video? if you just want to save time then it might be more prudent just to buy aluminum nitrate directly. It's not expensive and not regulated.

[LolzICanFly]

@NurdRage I don't have a fumehood in my house and it's REALLY cold outside. And I prefer to make chemicals from scratch, after all, that's the point of your videos.

[NurdRage]

@LolzICanFly Actually, that isn't the point of my videos. I just want to demonstrate interesting scientific reactions, some of them from scratch, some of them not so much. My videos on glow sticks like making TCPO use lab chemicals mostly.

But by all means your own methods. if you;re lucky enough to possess reactive aluminum hydroxide then go for it.

[molinobeer]

@NurdRage

Do you have any idea on how to make aluminum oxide from aluminum powder?

[TheHubps]

@NurdRage Shouldn't I use the Al(OH)3 and NH4NO3 like what you do for make nitrates from alkali hydroxides (ex : NaOH+NH4NO3)? or it wouldn't work? thank you :)

[k0namiman]

Could the Nitrosyl chloride conceivably be scavenged and used in a future experiment?

[mcwario13]

Actualy, you can use it in pyrotechnics

[alcid34]

You said that you can't simply put aluninum into nitric acid because it forms a passivation layer. Can't you just add water to the acid to make the acid dilute and break up the passivation layer?

[iskatelikeanoob]

isn chemistry fun :)

[juanarruti]

nonanhydrate = hydrate?

[Aviatorsmith]

@juanarruti It just means nine water molecules attached to the aluminium nitrate.

[marmaladekamikaze]

The ''pyrotechnic'' mixture at 3:00 created an incumescent fire retardant!

[eddie10191]

Cool home made kryptonite

[Khaied345]

any way to get it from Aluminium sulfate and other household chemicals(like NH4NO3)?

[washaway]

when making aluminum nitrate I always think you can add aluminum directly to nitric acid. that is exactly where my folly lied.

[djaa2807]

Aloomooonummm

[lk0056]

I love your videos! MOAR!!!

[Vajrasiddha]

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[GuanabanaGanja]

Its fucking ALUMINIUM not aluminum

[GwaiLoIntheHead]

A-loo-min-EE-um

[NurdRage]

@GwaiLoIntheHead I am not allowed to follow my own country's conventions?

[GwaiLoIntheHead]

@NurdRage Nevvverrrrrrr! Nah, it's okay, i just take great intrest in how a small pond can change the way people's pronunciation!

[GwaiLoIntheHead]

@GwaiLoIntheHead that didn't even make sense....FML

[Lokivoid]

@GwaiLoIntheHead

Both Aluminium (AL-ew-MIN-ee-əm) and Aluminum (ə-LOO-mi-nəm) are accepted names for the element. If you are pronouncing it as "ə-LOO-min-EE-um" as you stated, than you would technically be the one mispronounceing the word.

[GwaiLoIntheHead]

@Lokivoid Fair enough...i guess whichever way you say it...hearing it the other way is kind of strange. :P

[TapRackBoom]

@GwaiLoIntheHead where is the EE part in the spelling? that makes no sence to put that in there.... so we pronounce it right. dont add letters or syllables in words please

[GwaiLoIntheHead]

@TapRackBoom there is different spellings...american spelling is as shown. British is spelt aluminium. the extra i is the EE sound

[johtohoennfan45]

@GwaiLoIntheHead Its spelled ALUMINUM, not ALUMINIUM. There is no extra "i" to make the "EE" sound between the "u" and "m"

[GwaiLoIntheHead]

@johtohoennfan45 Yes there is...as i've already explained US and UK have different spelling. in the UK we say as i said. In US they say Aluminum.

[nathan7eu]

@johtohoennfan45 I'm afraid -ium is the standard postfix for elements. Just you weird yanks and your 'aluminum'.. I suppose you say "sodum", "potassum", "chromum", "cesum", etc too?

[johtohoennfan45]

@nathan7eu Look at Lokivoid's comment. I should have looked at it before I posted, maybe you should have too. However, it is totally uncalled for to call me and other Americans "wierd yanks..." That's just how the American Dialect evolved. Both are accepted, and go to any scientist and say any one to him/her. He/she will know what you are talking about.

[nathan7eu]

@johtohoennfan45 'wierd' has not ever been a word, not even in America. And sorry, I'm afraid I missed that comment.

[johtohoennfan45]

@nathan7eu sorry for misspelling?

[Garrettalllikewhat]

Why did you say aluminum trichloride?

It's not an anionic compound so you don't need the tri right?

[dukilaki]

now i can make nerve gas

[JavAnarkoMet]

i made the alominium cloride, addes the nitric acid directely from bottle, is about 55%,that said the chemical suplier. turned yelow buit not bubling gas

do i need to add more nitric acid?

[Sephirosu6]

This is why people should give their kids chemistry sets. so they dont watch tv.

[Rockflier]

@Nurdrage What gases are released from the aluminum and hydrochloric acid? Please let me know, I am 11 but I love your videos! Thanks

[BooyaaPwned]

2:15 Yellow Snow :)

[MrShaquo]

can you teach us how to make mustard gas? :D

[familyguyfan8]

@MrShaquo If you need someone to explain it to you, you shouldn't be watching these videos.

[JavAnarkoMet]

@MrShaquo he could, i could, but if you want to know how to study more organic chemistry.

if you want royal blue, pay the price for it.

[Almontmarine]

why is there a liquid dripping down from the beaker cover when you heat the nitric acid and aluminium trichloride?

[pyropakman]

@Almontmarine: Water vapor condensing on the convex surface of the watch glass. Droplets accumulate and slide down.

[PyroChemicals2]

Yes.

[madjimms]

It sounded like you said Defecator bag.....

[coolliger]

How do you know when all nitrosyl chloride is gone if you dont heat it?

[Blinkwing]

could you please make a video about ways of making hydrogen? it would be awesome!

[neovictorius]

Not true.

If the solid aluminium nitrate nona hydrate is heated to let's say 120 degrees Celsius it does NOT decompose and all the water is sort of evaporated off, making this suitable for pyro technics.

But do keep in mind that it DOES decompose at 135 degrees Celsius.

[JavAnarkoMet]

also if you are able to find aluminium hidroxide just add nitric acid.

[hammerman998]

is it possible to make Hydrochloric acid from salt and if so is it pure enough to use in this expirement

[NurdRage]

@mewrox99 what would that accomplish?

[mewrox99]

@NurdRage

I meant Aluminum Sulfate and Barium Nitrate. This would precipitate barium sulfate and leave aluminum nitrate in solution.

[yosupdude556]

@NurdRage he ment to say mix the barium then put in the nitric acid but that will need sulfer and alot of heat

[mewrox99]

@yosupdude556

Nah It was a typo. Meant Barium Nitrate and Aluminum Sulfate.

[JavAnarkoMet]

@mewrox9 FAIL, barium nitrate nad aluminium nitrate and geting barium sulfphate? maybe if it where barium nitrrate and aluminium sulphate, but it would be more dificult , brium is harder to find than chlorhidric and nitric acid

[mewrox99]

@JavAnarkoMet

It was a typo. I meant Aluminum Sulfate and Barium Nitrate that will precipitate barium sulfate and leave aluminum nitrate. I know that mixing two nitrates won't magically turn one of them into sulfate

[howtodoit13]

where do you buy your chemicals from?

[pyrocrazyUSA]

is aluminum nitrate nonahydrate an oxidant?

[discaras]

nanohydrate isn't it?

[NurdRage]

@discaras nona means nine, so nonahydrate is means 9 water molecules are present. Nano means on the scale of one billionth. Since there really are nine water molecules per molecule of aluminum nitrate, nona has to be used, nano would be completely wrong.

[TheZeshawn444]

@NurdRage where can I can get HCl and Nitric Acid?

Thanks.

[freakin1random]

will it burn as anahyrate?

[HomeDistiller]

could you recover the nitric acid from the nitrogen dioxide gas?

[NurdRage]

yes, absolutely :)

but it should still be done in a fumehood for safety.

[JaycubL]

You said that Aluminum is immune to nitric acid, so does that mean I could use aluminum tubes in a distilling thing for HNO3?

[AurimaxII]

Aluminum is not immune to HNO3, but the Aluminum Oxide (which covers the foil) is.

[dbc616]

You haven't added a video in almost two weeks. "this is not an acceptable activity level"

[freakin1random]

couldn't you add an oxidizer like a hyd. peroxide to break the passive aluminum layer?

[imgeek1337]

When will you put up the glow in the dark powder video? Do I need both europium and dysprosium nitrate to make blue? How much aluminum and strontium nitrate do I need?

[vitorix24]

Can you send me the chemical equations and the concentration of acids?

[NurdRage]

@vitorix24

please visit the website in the video description.

[Uploadification]

are u kipkey?

[NurdRage]

@Uploadification

Ask Kipkay

[chrisofcolombia]

Hey NurdRage: Looking forward to the glow-powder, tho its starting to look pretty complicated already.

Is there any chance of you teaching us how to dope ZnS with a suitable activator and flux, to produce a phosphorescent G-I-T-D powder? I've never been able to get ZnS to work.  Thanks.

[NurdRage]

@chrisofcolombia

The methods i know require a furnace. As most people don't have one, and i haven't shown how to build one, i probably won't be doing it until i can either find an easier method, or show how to build a furnace.

[chrisofcolombia]

Thanks for the reply. I have succesfully made ZnS in a test-tube over a regular gas flame.

Are you saying that to incorporate the activator (eg Cu) requires higher temperatures than I have a hope of reaching in a covered crucible over a good reducing propane flame?

I only want to make a few grams to play with!

[NurdRage]

@chrisofcolombia

I'm told the flame method can work. but i've never seen a prep for it. If you can get it work i'd like to see it :)

[neoYTPism]

Also, I poured toilet bowl cleaner (says 9% hydrochloric acid on the label... what is that in mol/L?) into an aluminum can and it didn't react... the cleaner was also bizzarely viscous, but hydrochloric acid was the only chemical mentioned on the warning label. Would there be unmentioned chemicals that held the reaction back, or would it just be that it would've took a little longer? (I only waited a couple minutes)

Also did you see the video of someone pouring ammonia and HCl onto their arm?

[bla287]

@neoYTPism

If the liquid was very viscous, then there was definitely something else in it besides HCl and water! Normal aqueous solutions of HCl are always clear, colourless and of similar viscousity as water. And I think if it's only 9% and you maybe did it outside (cold), it will take some time until the reaction starts even with pure HCl solution.

I don't know about your chemical laws, but ours are quite restrictive and we still can buy 24% HCl in hardware stores, maybe you should look there.

[neoYTPism]

Hardware stores? Like Canadian Tire? @ bla287

[bla287]

Oh, sorry if I got something wrong, English is not my native language... but what I meant is the type of large stores where you'd buy wood boards, copper tubes, varnish etc. At least here in Germany they usually also have technical grade HCl, ammonia, acetone etc. for ~2-4€/litre, but I don't know how it is in Canada...

I get most of such base chemicals from there (the HCl is slightly contaminated with some ppm FeCl3, but that doesn't matter that much because you have to recrystallise anyways)

[neoYTPism]

"The answer is you could, but the combined acids partially decompose..."

Hmm? I thought hydrochloric acid combined with nitric acid gave aqua regia... do the acids decompose in aqua regia solution as well?

[NurdRage]

@neoYTPism

yeah

[neoYTPism]

@NurdRage

Yeah to which question? o.o

[CarbonScience]

Aluminum nitrate could be used for pyrotechnics. When mixed with aluminum (2um-3um) and heated it burned with a flash into some ash like leftovers. I came up with this: 2Al(NO3)3+8Al>5Al2O3+6N2. The reaction with magnesium would be even faster (probably).

[NurdRage]

@CarbonScience

Nice.

I suppose metals would be much more reactive than sugar.

If possible, could you post a video of your experiment? i'd like to see the burn characteristics of your composition.

[CarbonScience]

OK. I'll get on it today. Anyways I messed up the equation a little. Here is the new one: 2Al(NO3)3+10Al>6Al2O3+3N2

[vaibhav1803]

best pyrotechnics is always with the way of KMnO4/glycerine....or say by using strongly acidified KMnO4 and an organic compound

any better..?

[larryandpike]

when you burn the sugar and Aluminum Nitrate Nonahydrate it kind of looked like a snake firework

[CarbonScience]

I'd manage to dry aluminum nitrate in a common 150ml beaker on about 50°C (aluminum nitrate decomposes at 135°C). It took quite a time, but it worked. The leftower HNO3 (boiling point 84°C) boiled out slowly but it did.

[macvegard]

how concentrated is 6M hydrochloric acid and 15.6M nitric acid in percent? i havent learned how to calculate it yet.

[vaibhav1803]

1M of a strong acid itself is some 7-8% by mass of solution and is still a powerful oxidant..15.6M of HNO3 is hell unleashed..!!(pH=-1.2 approx ideally..!)

[LithiumChicken]

YAY for aqua regea!!! (which is what he makes when he mixes HNO3 and HCl)

Keep up the good work.

[Frresh123]

Nurdrage,

how pure has the al(no3)3 at least to be (in percent)?

[NurdRage]

@Frresh123

99.9%

I'll show recrystallization techniques in an upcoming video.

[Aaronator01]

We want more videos!

When do we want em'?

NOW! lol

[NurdRage]

@Aaronator01

i try to release weekly

please be patient.

[silverblotter]

yeah a new video already

[NurdRage]

@Silverblotter

unlike many other videos on youtube, experiments cost cost money. They can only be released when they are ready. please be patient.

[thegreatMSG]

@NurdRage Agreed 100%

[fatcartman]

I once mixed Chlorox with Pinol( floor cleaning solution). the mixture turned black like the one on this video and it was hot for a second. Can someone tell me what I did??

[LithiumChicken]

@fatcartman You probably did the one where you get sodium hydroxide and water and add aluminium to make hydrogen gas. I know you didn't add aluminium, but there maya have been some in the floor cleaner, although you'd have to show me the labels for me to be sure.

[jeran42]

is it summer there?

Where are you

[zalvoz]

When it was summer !!

[billytalentrocks345]

use this stuff for snakes! it looked like it was growing a little, so maby we acn use this for pyrotecnics :P

[kickit246]

your videos are really cool. I think I have to subscribe now. :). Chemistry is fun (but difficult) so this is like all the fun, without having to figure it all out beforehand. Thanks Mr. NurdRage. :)

[fireman12888]

I would like to hear your real voice :)

[demoniclordwizard]

What the hell is aluminum nitrate

[NurdRage]

@demoniclordwizard

The stuff in the video, a salt of aluminum and nitric acid.

[Inferfire]

Help!!!

I don't understand!!!

I have a very important chemistry test tomorrow on equilibrium constants, and i am LOST!!!

[qqstar999]

That's why you study and don't rely on people on the internet.

[Inferfire]

NOOOOOOOO!!!

[miesrah12]

oh then your screwed then

[Pipewing]

Great. Now I just need to figure out how to profit from it. I have time to think... Glow in the dark car paint?...

[kickit246]

Condoms with glow in the dark lube. LOL!!! That'll give them a scare the next time they look down in the dark lol

[miesrah12]

maby, but i think it woun't go far

[LeadMercuryArsenic]

another awesome video thanks! 5/5

[endless0140]

cool

[aboodmatar]

Why do chemicals have long names???

[moosey333]

Usually, the more complex the chemical the more complex the name. This especially applies in organic chemistry. With inorganic the names are extremely easy to name and is easier to learn basics.

[NurdRage]

We ran outta short names ~300 years ago.

[CVMultimedia0]

lol =]

[aboodmatar]

Loool

[Fivestar5000]

well in organic chem from what i remember is the name of chemical can be broken down to to exactly what its made of there for the more chemicals that are in the solution the longer the name is gunna be. its a real pain in the ass to learn so im not gunna go into specifics.

[S0C0MMASTER]

because all the parts of the chemical name is is telling what elements are in it.

[AgentCROCODILE]

Chemicals have long names to tell people not to mess with them unless they are geeky enough.

[Garrettalllikewhat]

@AgentCROCODILE

Yeah dude forsure.

Idiot.

[Reverendwyotech]

Your knowledge, will aid me greatly in my plans for World Domination! MuHaha MUHahaha! MUuahHahaHAaaa!!! Yes... ('twisting of mustash')

[MegaCbx]

I just must ask you, why do you distort your voice. Haha no matter you put on a great show 5/5.

[dragonridley]

I take it then you can't make anhydrous aluminum nitrate?

[antiswattt2]

i have a question!!! o: when you got the aluminium dissolved into the hydrochloric acid.. can i add nitrate (potassium nitrate, ammonium nitrate) or is it only possible to make hno3 with sulfuric acid?

[NurdRage]

@antiswattt2

your product will be hopelessly contaminated with the other salts. and absolutely useless to make glow in the dark powder.

[antiswattt2]

well ok.. thanks for reply (=

[milotickz]

Couldn't you use regular nitric acid to make aluminum nitrate nonahydrate or does it not work that way?

[NurdRage]

@milotickz

no

full answer in video

[Jose04811]

hey since you say that some of these expirements take weeks to get the certain chemical and stuff like that...does that mean that your creating multiple vids in one day so you can have a steady output of vids ...or is this vid form like 3 weks ago and now your making a new chemical coumpond or mixture?

[Pyroflea53]

I'm sure he has a large stock of everything he needs.

[NurdRage]

@jose04811

a little bit of both.

each vid takes weeks of planning and filming. This entire project to make glow in the dark powder was planned 10 months ago, and since then i've been refining and improving the techniques. Along the way i film and then i take the best parts and put together to make vids.

Some vids are made the same day they filmed, others might be months old. This particular vid combines footage shot over 4 months. the oldest footage was 4 months, the latest was 2 weeks old.

[Jose04811]

damm you planned this out 10 months ago.......that a very long time ago...10 months ago i was (very young)....that seems so long ago

[Kryptic8900]

Thanks for the video, very good and useful!

[milotickz]

Can't wait to see those GITD powders.

[fhfg4]

how does hydrochloric acid react with foil and why?

[antiswattt2]

i know that hydrochloric is an acid that is able to dissolve aluminium metal, when you add aluminium foil to hydrochloric acid the reaction starts when the hydrochloric acid eats up the layer of aluminium oxide and produces hydrogen, which is exothermic making the liquid get really hot, which will then also make some chlorine gasses.. i know this by expierence of making hydrogen balloons with HCl, better use a hydroxide (=

[ggglllllll]

man this vids are just awesome!!

[LegallyMoi]

Is the sodium you get the type of sodium that explodes in water?

[SatansMullet]

everything you do is SO above my head haha, but i love watching it none the less

[koragofmagic]

what can substitude for nitric acid?

[MrNinjera]

can i use calcium hydroxide and sodium bicarbonate or sodium chloride to make sodium hydroxide?

[UncheckedIrony]

errrrr wah

[HazMatLabz]

CaOH and NaCO3 will make Sodium Hydroxide. If you aren't sure of a reaction, just type it in in google and put the word equation after your reaction.

[coolbluelights]

Where do you get hydrochloric acid besides your stomach? I don't feel like throwing up to do this lol

[NurdRage]

@coolbluelights

hardware store

[koragofmagic]

can i use NAOH ´istead of HCI

[NurdRage]

@koragofmagic

but then you'll get a mixture of sodium and aluminum nitrate,

[koragofmagic]

that's good! then it might burn.(with sugar).

[NurdRage]

@koragofmagic

if that's your objective then just make sodium nitrate.

Aluminum nitrate would just interfere and make that spongy stuff you saw in the video.

[koragofmagic]

i can seporate it like my cold pack's CANO3 from CH3NO3.

So i can seporate AINO3 from NANO3(maybe not).

[kic009]

Is this oxidizing agent?

[fjlj]

0:12 - 0:18

nonahydate.....

[ChemHow2]

Nonahydrate means that there are nine water molecules chemically attached to the crystal.

[fjlj]

...... wow... even when i point it out ppl dont see it.... ITS SPELLED WRONG IN THE VIDEO!!!

[jorgesampaio]

Good Video!

"Before you get any ideas", lol

Keep the good work.

[Frresh123]

Nerd Power !

[Kuwaiti55]

RocK!

5,*****

BTW,can i use fine Al powder (with 6M HCL)?

[koragofmagic]

Wow. Nice video!

[godsend420]

nice one ★★★★★

[MacsCanfly]

awesome

[kwibjo123456789]

Keep Making more im addicted to them :D