This is hard to listen to... I'm moved by this in a strange way. My greatgrandfather was GermanJew, he traveled to Calif. On the way back to Tenn. he met, married an Apache woman. My grandfather is supposed to have gone back to his people and even traveled w/Geronimo at times. He went back and forth between his Mother's home and his father's in Tenn. & Missouri. He took a wife, had children, one my dad. He died when my dad was only 6 yrs. Older brothers/sister remembered him, not my dad.
Why must the white people take and take from, they call us drunks, lazy and tree niggers, why are they so ateful, they were the one that took our land, our lives and our god away, they pushed us to reservation and still continue to treat us badly, im only 16, and im Apache...i may be young, but i know many things, and its hard to live in the new age society, i get racism daily by the white people, they laugh at our traditions and mock us. it is not fair we've done nothing wrong.
@kurtcobain3336 I am white and ashamed of the behavior of my ancestors. They were blind to the truth of their actions. I wish I could apologize and make amends for both of our peoples. I wish that this was possible but I fear it isn't... so I will tell you that times are changing. People are recognizing what really happened back 100 plus years ago. Not all white men are of the same spirit that changed things so long ago. I teach my child the truth and her children will know.
@LEARNTOPLAYCRAPS Racism saddens me, i know not all white people are harmful and hateful, but where i live they all make them selfs high and mighty and comtinue to treat us the same...in some places times are changing....but its not spreading very quickly...and thankyou for saying sorry, though you, yourself never did anything wrong
@kurtcobain3336 I myself have done nothing wrong, but it is my duty to let my child know what really happened so she can also tell the truth to others. I do this so it will not happen again.However when you look at what is happening around the world with our military(the same military that pushed native peoples to reservations and changed a way of life)it almost seems like history is repeating itself. I live in southeastern Utah near the Navajo rez and see the same things you do.
@kurtcobain3336 May you and your people prosper in the coming years. Thank you for your reply to my previous comment. I truly wish you and yours all the best. I have hope for the future.......I hope you do as well.
With sincerity and respect to all creeds, colors and nations.
Give these beautiful descendants of Goyathlay this, they are asking. Why is this country continuing to treat them with such assault and cruelty. This makes me feel sick. I'm not proud to be part of this America when I look at things like this.
One day,when I was struggling, I looked at the picture of Geronimo/Goyathlay that I have hanging in a frame.I asked him if he had time and energy to fly with me today & help me. On my way to work, a hawk appeared on a wire over me a looked into my eyes.
There is no time and there is no space only infinite love. Without infinite love nothing and I mean it with my heart , nothing would exist. We are living in a 3D hologram a conscious experience a program called planet Earth. Abundance is the corner stone of this quantum universe not scarcity which they have lulled us all into believing. From scarcity rises all the illusions of Greed, power, money, materialism, hate. All this is an illusion, only infinite love is the truth. We are all the one.
In Lakota they say "Washchu" which is a term for the whites back when the dealings with Europeans were fresh. It means "Greedy one who steals the Fat." Sadly the Europeans of that time were many times moved by greed and gain. Now the Americans are also too often moved by such things. The term is old and nearly forgotten...nearly. Greed has no place in the heart of The Great Spirit. let it find no home in yours.
I believe until Goyahkla's bones are returned to his people and Harlyn by those who stole it america will never heal. Has there been any developments now we are in 2011? This is so immoral.
Geronimo was a great leader for his people and a big idol for someone like me. I'm English and I live in Spain and yet I know what Geronimo did and, that is called bravery. And yet, after showing bravery and after defending his people's land, the government could at least do, to show respect, is bury his remains like his culture asks. I hope that the great chief, after fighting for so many years, finally rests in peace. Geronimo, the legend!!!
Harlyn Geronimo aint even Related to Geronimo. . the real Geronimo family should be tlkn not him!!!!! i kno because my grand parents told me. . Im the real descendent of Geronimo!!!!!
@nativechick2 Harlyn is a REAL descendent of Geronimo.That is his great grandson & Harlyn was blessed by Geronimo's wife Kate who died in 1954 on the Mascalero res.Im related to Harlyn's wife.Please get your facts straight & respect instead of barging in on what your grandparents told you.If you were the REAL descendent of Geronimo you"d be doing something about it,not Harlyn whos spending all of his money going through this (not for a publicity stunt like Ned Anderson).
@nativechick2 & Geronimo wont be at peace til he's brought home to the Gila & he's trying his best to do it..& if he wasnt really related why are they taking samples and trying to match up Harlyn and Geronimo's DNA to get the skull back with the rest of the remains to bring him back...smh, disrespect & ignorance. If you dont like what I have to say, you can take yourself elsewhere. I wont respond to your ignorance after this :) God Bless u
The humble people of America would like to apologize to Geronimo's family for the misuse of his name. We have high regard for his descendant family members and encourage dialogue and the expression of emotions in a safe respectful manner. We hope that one day Geronimo will find peace in the spirit world and hope this past animosity of peoples to find peace and unity. We hope he is reburied where he loved most someday and that if any bones are missing that they are found & returned. PEACE & LOVE
I'm Chiricahua apache. my father is half Filipino and Chiricahua. But I am Chiricahua,Chamorro,Filipino. BUT NO MATTER WAT ANY WHITE MAN OR PERSONS SAYS I AM STILL "APACHE" AS one apache warrior said "You always work as a group, not somebody just singled out. There is no such thing as that with the Apache. We say, "I walk with you," not "I walk before you" or "I walk behind you"... You are not a leader, you are a part
i rather they kiss my @ss than my skull take my hip bone just kidding skull and bones does satanic rituals and does desecrate religious values sacred things and sanctity of burials remains this is religious intolerance and racism practice in our own country George bush is part of this society also john Kerry
The lunatics who did this I'm sure are laughing their ___ off. I know these people and know what they are. They are pure evil and good luck getting the remains back. These monsters make up their own rules. Many natives blame whites in general but most whites had nothing to do with the genocide of the native peoples. You will note1492 was the year the Jews got kicked out of Spain and "coincidently" was the same year Columbus "discovered" America! They weren't welcome in Spain so they came here.
Geronimo is my great great grandfather more greats..but we have papers ina safe that says it all he is in my blood and one day i would want to meet him:)
Geronimo, I would have given my life to fight for such a great cause. I am extremely sorry for your loss; children mother and one true love Alope. Happy Birthday Geronimo!!! June 16th Tell Cochise hello!
why indian american like apache navajos apache comache incas aztecas mayas aztlan change together change and fight the rite new human and all gringos get out this lands they are the enemy and they destroy this lands
@bieberlicous848: incas aztecas mayas don't belong in the USA, they are NOT native to ANY land North of the Rio Grande. Why is it that Mexicans never marched through Mexico City and claimed their "indigenous" rights in Mexico? THAT is the land of your native ancestors, not the USA.
Why is it that Mexicans don't organize and March, and riot against a corrupt thieving government in Mexico, YOUR LAND?
@bieberlicous848 I'm not saying you are wrong to type what you did. I understand your words. I am what you might call a gringo but I was born of this soil and am part of this land. Perhaps I'm different from other "gringo's" because I respect the plant people, the coyote people, the bear people and so on. I am part of the spirit who moves through all things and that spirit sends me the cool breezes in summer to soothe me just as he sends them to you.
they should of told obama and bush that how would they feal if we dug up there grandfathers and grandmothers how would they feel...then say i will make you a trade ur grandfather/grandmother bones for my grandfathers bones...
i am from burns lake, british columbia,canada. we have heard of gokhllayeh through war legends told from one nation to another. i am still in awe on what gokhlayeh has sacrficed for his future generations. truth of the matter is what scares people and yet all that is ask for is respect. respect goes a long ways, it makes people get along better...peace
America claims that by occupying lands... they free the populace of that area from the tyranny of their local warlords... Hypocrite much? Thye even haven't confided to return large areas of Native American Indian Tribe lands. I can very much understand why there are more Nationalist terrorists than there are extremists.
i'm disgusted to learn the gov't used the name of geronimo to associate it with the name of an evil in this world. they aren't fit to even speak his name!
I think he should have the say just because Geronimo was his antecedent. There are some malicious comments and ignorant generalisations on this page. Atrocities were committed on both sides by both sets. By the way, the term "white devil" is just as ignorant as "savage indian/native american." Unfortunately, the condition on many reservations is very poor and at poverty level.
@MrRedgnome I've heard that also but remember it was a different time back then and they done many terrible things mostly to drive foreigners off lands they considered sacred to their surviaval (spelling not to good) but most people know this but your entitled to your opinion that's why we call it the internet
By the laws of nature and attraction Europeans have to receive ten fold their sons and daughters who are now "innocent" but enjoy the inherited benefits All the blood they wasted of different people all over the world WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED but when it happens they will say "God has forsaken us" its over due and soon to come the evidence is clear
Obama has done nothing because he knows a secret, the same one Bush sr and jr know, their society has things that belong to Geronimo and they will have a curse on them and all who know of this knowledge. Bring back what belongs to Geronimo and bury him on his homeland. Its still a mockery the whites will always make sure of it. Chief Bobby of the Seminole tribe told me they told him 15% is all you get from the Casinos and keep your mouth shut. They rob all tribes every day!
@Krylogenic They are deaf and dumb. They wonder after a black hole. They live off lies and disrespect and thiink no God sees their actions. They are ignorant cowards with no compassion.
IF PEOPLE KNEW THERE HISTORY THERE''LL BE NO REASON TO GO AGAINST THIS OF THE APACHE PEOPLE!! GERONIMO WAS & STILL IS A HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@didjo3: Your writing skills are retarded, we should finish the rest of you cry babies off, I'm sick of supporting you lazy parasites with my tax dollars GET A FUCKING JOB! YOU LOST, GET OVER IT!
@teofilonieve: YOUR ancestors are from Mexico you ugly midget mongrel beaner, GO BACK or we will SEND YOU BACK IN A FUCKING BOX!
You don't deserve the freedoms and opportunity OUR SYSTEM offers you ungrateful parasites. We should beat you down like your white Spanish masters do back in Mexico!
Look away any c bison carcass whose body the prairie burn to reduce the population of bison and Indian living in this pillar and then have the game penned in reserve arid have can not grow the earth
keep your faith brother, I see some of a broken spirit, the assholes did that to me also, keep your anger, your family will respect that, pedophile bush sr, was on the board of barrick gold in canada, I hauled drugs, interstate truck driver, not my choice, bush jr was on the board of eli lilly as was kenneth lay, and alexander haig, all members of satanic knights of malta, you are not alone.
this man is so intent of bringing Geronimo remains home. why bring it home? He needs to look into what is going on within our tribe. Does he think bringing bones will change anything. Our children are introduce to meth, abuse , etc.. Come on now, our families need help; Geronimo did not want this. we are suppose to be a strong tribe.. and we come dowm to bones. Geronimo is with the Great Spririt.. I don't think he wants us to fight about where he is buried.
i love how he says this is my brother the polar bear! priceless i love it!! this is how we should all think people!!!!!!!!!! thumbs up if you think so too!!!!
this is fucking shit! Why America, "free country" cant do anything, America sucks! Natives are real, u all sucks! Im from Finland, i would never do something like that to my people, u are evil than Russians!!!!
I would hope they have released the remains of Geronimo so his spirit can rest. As a white eyes and am ashamed of how we just took land that belonged to this great people. I am 54 years old and for the last year I have been studying the American Indians and I for one am sad for them and upset with us. I am sorry for how you were treated by us.
Its the society of jesus who is behind it and the bloody vatican,which loves this situacions where they rejoice of their power over the real people that dont follow their rules and their spiritual hoax,
Freminded people of the world,stand on your feet and say no to the EVIL FORCE and say yes to harmony with mother nature
I have Geronimo blood running thru my veins..For the ones who have his blood running thru your veins, you know, we're FIGHTERS! We do not give up, we will fight to the end.
I am VERY PROUD AND HONORED to have his blood run thru my heart! Justice needs to be served on many levels...
I am very proud to know that his blood runs thru me...I strongly believe in my past life, that I was once a warrior, I still feel it now in this life...
good! if you feel it, then run with it! Such a feeling is a calling to stand up in these last days as Government works toward final acts to finish the assimilation project. soon Reserves will exist no longer and with that BIA and CAD IA, will relieve their responsiblity to us through the Treaties that bind them to financial, health and educational responsibilites to us. You have the blood of Geronimo! Wow, I love Geronimo!
Geronimo's only children to survive him and have children, grandchildren, etc., were his daughter and son with his Mescalero Apache captive wife, Ih-teddah, US name Kate: Lenna (1887-1918) and Robert (1889-1966). Both lived on the Mescalero Apache Reservation in southern New Mexico. Geronimo is buried at Ft. Sill, OK. Chiricahua Apaches who remained in that area are known as Ft. Sill Apache. Jeff Houser is their political leader. Descendants of Robert and the Ft. Sill Apache oppose Harlyn.
The majority members of the Geronimo family insist Harlyn is not a "true" Geronimo and has no business claiming to speak for the family. They claim he is exploiting their ancestor for personal fame and gain. The Geronimos filed an injunction stopping his efforts to move the grave from Ft. Sill to Grant County, New Mexico. Harlyn is milking the Skull & Bones scandal because it keeps him in the spotlight and provokes attention from outsiders unfamiliar with the facts.
@CSFLY77 how do you know this to be true? he speaks with humbleness...do you have proof of this? what if it's only a family feud? let's focus on the bigger picture here
@keyanaayers GOOGLE Lariat Geronimo for a link to articles about the Geronimo family opposition to Harlyn. The family spoke up a few weeks after Harlyn's press conference grabbed headlines around the world, but it was reported by very few media sources. Since then, the family has filed injunctions effectively stopping Harlyn's campaigns. This group of Geronimo descendants and Ft. Sill Apache leaders are united in opposing Harlyn.
Geronimo is buried in the Beef Creek cemetery at Ft. Sill, OK, surrounded by the graves of nine family members including his children, grandchildren, etc. It is a sanctified Apache tribal cemetery still in use. If his remains had been dug up in 1918, it would have been big news. No evidence exists it was ever disturbed. The Skull & Bones written account of the "grave robbery" bears no resemblance to the real grave. Their claim is frat boy nonsense. Harlyn is just making foolish noise.
@keyanaayers The media loves Harlyn because he is an actor and politician who knows how to play the role the public wants to see. Most Geronimo descendants are private and avoid publicity, and the media has given little coverage to their opposition to Harlyn. Lariat Geronimo is the spokesman for the family opposition to Harlyn. GOOGLE him and you'll find articles about this matter. They successfully stopped Harlyn's campaign to move the Ft. Sill grave.
@keyanaayers to continue... The family is also on record as opposing Harlyn in the Skull & Bones matter. Yes, there is a family feud, rooted mostly in Harlyn's claiming to be the family spokesman. Harlyn changed his name from Via to Geronimo in middle age. Many Geronimos claim he is not legitimate I assume he is Lenna's grandson as he claims, but I know he does not represent the family and its values. Jeff Houser, leader of the Ft. Sill Apache, supports the family opposition to Harlyn.
@keyanaayers When you GOOGLE Lariat Geronimo, read the Las Cruces Sun article (may be reprinted in Albuquerque Journal). Also, read an article from the Santa Fe Reporter titled "The Strange Saga of Geronimo's Skull". It is excellent. I know several Geronimo descendants and have many friends in Mescalero, so I've been aware of the disagreements for a long time. I'm simply reporting on their side of the story, which has been mostly ignored by the media.
@CSFLY77 No it is not nonsense. That cult has done many things in secret at very high levels. JFK had he survived would have done away with their secret cult. Prescott Bush also helped fund Hitler. That is a fact. So this would be nothing for him to rob a grave of a great American Hero. Big news? Nothing in our history books in America are seldom accurate.
@rodzmen1 Which makes Skull & Bones members capable of inventing a tall tale about robbing Geronimo's grave to impress new inductees and fellow Bonesmen. Their claim to have his remains is their only "evidence". There is no record Geronimo's grave was robbed in 1918. Also, credible people insist this skull was at the club long before Geronimo's death in 1909. This is all a noisy distraction from the real debate about moving the grave from Ft. Sill to New Mexico.
set his soul free. no more imprisonment. let him go on to where he next belongs. those who imprison him are afraid of his power. may justice prevail and evil be vanquished.
"Geronimo" by Angie Debo is an excellent biography and good starting point for studying this era. Ignore everything you've seen in the movies. Geronimo was the dominant member of a small warrior band and was never a chief or tribal leader. Warriors followed him because of his fighting skills, ruthlessness, and psychic visions. He got a lot of credibility after Naiche, the hereditary chief, deferred to his leadership in their final years in & out of San Carlos.
While in Oklahoma, most warriors from Geronimo's band became Born Again Christians in the Dutch Reformed Church. Geronimo had a strong born again experience but quickly relapsed into drinking and gambling and left the church. He died an old man in 1909 with $10,000 in the bank, which was divided among his surviving family members: Daughter Eva at Ft. Sill, OK, son & daughter Robert and Lenna at Mescalero, NM, and his 10th and last wife, Azul.
There are always good & bad people on every side. Many whites during the US-Chiricahua wars were good, honorable, and heroic people. Lt. Charles Gatewood, the officer who negotiated Geronimo's final surrender, was a great hero. Check out Louis Kraft's book "Gatewood & Geronimo". I think Gen. Crook a good man, plus Lt. Britton Davis, George Wratten, and many others. Even Gen. Miles did some good things. He refused Gen. Sheridan's orders to send the band to AZ for trial and execution.
The only opinions that matter in this case are those of the greater Geronimo family, the Ft. Sill Apache (site of Geronimo's grave), and the Mescalero Apache (home base for all direct descendants). All else is empty noise. To date, the majority members of the Geronimo family have filed suit blocking Harlyn's efforts to relocate the grave. Ft. Sill & Mescalero leaders honor their wishes. The Skull & Bones scandal is dismissed by most as bunk, as Harlyn's distracting nonsense.
The Geronimo episode of the "We Shall Remain" American Experience series on PBS is being rerun tonight, Nov 8. Check it out. It's really quite excellent. It features interviews with many Chiricahua descendants living in the Mescalero and Ft. Sill communities. The documentary ignores Harlyn completely. The young Robert Geronimo is featured (His side of the family opposes Harlyn and filed suit stopping his campaigns), plus descendants of Cochise and Naiche, etc.
@thriller79 Unlike Geronimo, Mangas Coloradas was a respected chief and leader of his band of Chiricahua Apaches in southwestern New Mexico in the mid-1800s. His daughter married Cochise and his grandsons were Taza and Naiche. In 1863, early in the US-Chiricahua wars, Mangas was deceived and murdered by the US Army and his large skull sent to a famous phrenologist in NYC. (No one knows where his skull is today.) This is historic fact. The Skull & Bones legend is frat boy fantasy.
@CSFLY77 Yeah i heard 2 guards were told to shoot him if he tried to escape so they threw a rock at his chest when he was sleeping, startled him and he jumped up giving the guards reason in their minds to shoot, pathetic! I also heard Apache beleive that if you loose a body part in this life you don't have it in the afterlife until it is returned. Is this true? when you say "unlike geronimo" are you saying geronimo wasn't a respected leader?
@thriller79 The Chiricahua descendants I know, plus most real history I've read, describe Geronimo as very controversial among his people. He was directly responsible for their removal from the Southwest. He rose to power through a leadership vacuum but was never a chief. Whatever Geronimo's status, it was lower than that of Mangas Coloradas. Mangas got a raw deal and was deceived and murdered by the US Army. His fate had much to do with white trash gold hunters, miners, etc.
@CSFLY77 Yeah good ole greed got the the better of humanity again! That is such an interesting time to read about. I was into Native culture bigtime when i was a kid, kind of fissled out for a bit, have been doing research again and have to admit the although the natives got the raw deal, the whites aren't entirely to blame of how things went down, i've been reading alot of land that was actully sold to whites by natives, didn't know this when i was a kid or just forgot about it.
We are dealing here with Illuminati satanic occultists. They keep Geronimo’s skull for their nefarious purposes. It is absolutely VITAL then, that the collective Native mind does NOT bow down to their tyranny. If you believe, and KNOW, within your minds eye, that the skull is returned to its rightful place, then so it SHALL BE ! but continue in your hopeless despair and you only empower the objectives of the NWO.
This is a heart felt request from a family member whom is still suffering pain and much heartache. Enough is Enough the US President needs to have compassion upon this matter and concider meeting with the family to discuss what can be done to return the remains of Geronimo. Or give an explanation as to why this request falls upon deaf ears. One way or the other public interest is behind the family of Geronimo. God Bless all and may your prayers be answered.
@BonesStrollin If the President met with the Geronimo family, he would be told by many that Harlyn is a con man who has no right claiming to speak for the family. They would also tell him that they do not want Geronimo's Ft. Sill grave disturbed, and that the Skull & Bones legend is silly nonsense. It is the majority members of the Geronimo family who filed an injunction blocking Harlyn's campaigns. Harlyn does not have the support of the family or tribe.
wow he loooks just like geronimo cmon man act like a warrior and get your country back!! Ride on your house and slaughter people like your great great grandfather did!!
The terrific PBS series "We Shall Remain" is being rerun next week. Check out its Geronimo episode. Interviews with Chiricuhua descendants paint a mostly unflattering portrait of Geronimo. White Pop culture made him a hero and savior. Those here who revere him as a holy saint should study real history versus Hollywood fantasy. Revere instead leaders such as Cochise, Mangas Coloradas, Victorio, even Juh. Naiche is fascinating. Learn about the women warriors, Lozen and Dahteste.
After all what the Apaches went through you would think they would give them he's remains, its the rotten Bush's again .... leave these people alone you bastards you make me puke.After fighting off the Mexicans, the Americans & the rotten English you would think they would do this one thing they are fucking evil & it makes me sick !
Harlyn's campaigns are essentially dead due to the direct opposition of the majority members of the Geronimo family, and lack of support from the Ft. Sill and Mescalero Apache communities. Lariat Geronimo, spokesman for the family opposition, claims Harlyn is not a true Geronimo and has no right speaking for the family. Many in Ft. Sill and Mescalero describe Harlyn as a con man who can manipulate the white guilt crowd but not his own people. Be careful who you support.
My fathers side of his mother is all apache my grand mother is Apache full I take after my fathers side very tall, have honor for menand others and very humble to friends and family.and control
Anger,love and strength So I'm apache 50% and 50. % chammoro it's a island race
Those who stole Geronimo's remains will be sickened and dommed and no wonder this nation is going down to drainage and no wonder the white men are becoming gays and barbarics
All people born in America are native to America and thus: "native Americans." It's a redundant term that appeals to peo. w/poor language skills. The black haired, sallow-skinned, body hair-lacking people of this continent, who met Chris Columbus @ Cat Island, are akin, appearance-wise, to the peo. of the sub-content called India, therefor calling them Indians is no less accurate as are the terms Occidental, Oriental, Mongoloid, and Australasian when applied to whites, Chinamen & Polynesians.
All people born in America are native to America and thus: "native Americans." It's a redundant term that appeals to peo. w/poor language skills. The black haired, sallow-skinned, body hair-lacking people of this continent, who met Chris Columbus @ Cat Island, are akin, appearance-wise, to the peo. of the sub-content called India, therefor calling them Indians is no less accurate as are the terms Occidental, Oriental, Mongoloid, and Australasian when applied to whites, Chinamen & Polynesians.
@ThePregnancySlaves Use neither. Instead use the term 'Nican Tlaca', which means 'we the people here' in Nahuatl, language of the Mexica/Aztecs('Mexicans' in English). Use OUR languages to identify us, NOT foreign languages.
@ThePregnancySlaves I'm currently undergoing the process of dissimilation. Tired of the 'white' man's ways. You trollin playa? nah just playin' wit you nigga. Native fo lyfe yo! pasty bastard. :)
@ThePregnancySlaves For us counts the roots and cultural identity and you can be born anywhere but always your link says that you don't belong here and your ethnic motherland is europe or what ever shit your ancestors come and tell me the lions, elephants whoe are breed here are nor natisve animas. The only 100% natives are the original, indigenous people of continent of america
im also a decendant as well and i hope they bring him back to hi homeland. they made his life hell and had him die in a way im sure he didnt want to. the least they can do to make up for it is to let him be barried in his land. tht he faught so hard to be free in
Geronimo was and is an honorable warrior and person. Anyone who has not read his autobiography should read it. The conquest of north america by white christians will go down in history as another atrocity initiated by the European Christian worldview.
It is my belief, that the nearer we get toward 2012, and beyond, many wrongs will be righted for indigenous peoples across the globe. The encroaching darkness for many, will be as the rising of a ~ Brand new Sun, filling the horizon with its all effulgent brilliance, for we ~ Wild hearts.
AND IT OBVIOUS THERE'S A REASON THEIR NOT LETTING THEM REMOVE GERONIMO REMAINS AND TAKE HIM BACK TO HIS HOMELAND WHERE HE BELONGS..WONDER HOW THEY'D LIKE IT IF SOMEONE TREATED THEIR GRANDMOTHER OR GRANDFATHER OR LOVED ONE LIKE THAT...THIS SO CALLED GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED AND ASHAMED,1 FOR ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN AND 2 NOT MAKING IT RIGHT. AND YES I'M WHITE..
it's funny to me only in the hypocritical since that when the Apaches did kill white women & children WE say they murdered them but when the white man killed Apache women & children WE declare it a victory.The Apaches believed in an eye for an eye so you can bet your sweet pickled ass it was the white men that slaughtered the Apaches women & children first.& SO DON'T believe EVERYTHING you see on t v but if you want to know the truth read Geronimo's autobio.It's great..HE'S MY AMERICAN HERO
BUT DONT NATIVES OF THE WORLD GET IT- IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WAR AND SLAVES AND DEMORALIZE THE SLAVES -LIKE KEEPING THEIR LEADERS BONES FROM THE RELATIVES-WHY DONT THEY STEAL IT-OR GET SOME STRATEGY GOING-I DONT ADMIRE SICILIAN MAFIA-BUT THEYACT SECRETLY THEY DONT HUMILIATE THEMSELVES BY BEGGING GOVT LIKE CHILDREN-THEY KEEP DRUGS FROM THEIR COMUNITY BY PUTTING 6 FT UNDER THOSE WHO TRY-HARSH?U KNOW WHAT DRUGGED MEN DO TO WOMEN/CHILDREN-SICILIANS REFINE HEROIN-TO SELL TO BLACK AMERICANS-KEEP THEM DOWN
Their lands was stolen from themWith some justice you and every single white american family should pay dear reparations to them for a hundred years. You have built churches, houses, and communities on their sacred grounds. Yet you whine like sore babies when a Muslim is building a community center 3 blocks away from Ground Zero.
The day that the Native Americans decide to kcik your sorry ass aout of their homeland, I will feed them with bullets and PR.
I guess that your ancestors are Native Americans, eh? Who did the genocide? Mine or your ancestors? Who's living in America now? How incredibly stupid is it possible to get? I think that you reach an all time high...
Even if they are small in population they would still be enough to burn down your town and fuck your wife while you watch!
@bohemianwriter1: And here we have a typical libtard piece of excrement comparing an equating completely different issues. Darn where should I start? Let's start with the fact that it was muslims who flew the planes into the towers, The Apache warriors would never stoop down as low as Islamic terrorists do, they do not stone women to death for adultery or kill Gays just because of their sexual orientation. Need I go on? Now eat shit and die and long Live Geronimo!
Right! Abnd Christians killed 19 million Native Americans during the beginning of 35 years from 1492. It was Christians whom napalm bombed Vietnam. It was Christians whom invaded 2 countrieshat had nothing to do with 9.11. It was a Christian whom thought that 650 000 dead people was worth the price by bombing Iraz during the 90's. It was Christians whom made Iraq into a hornets nest in 2003: Result: Another 650 000 dead people. 2 million refugees, and a corrupt government.
It was a dujmbass president whom ignored the arnings which came to his desk just a month before it happened. And Bin Laden? He was treated in a hosital just 2 months before 9.11, and having a meeting with CIA at the same time. Wonder what they talked about.
It was Christians whom went and hunted down Geronimo... It was Christians whom
whom stole his skeleton and skull.
Goyathlay hated whites with the same passion as the farmer in Afghanistan who had his family killed by American bombs..
@bohemianwriter1: You are from Norway you are white you stinking self hating bigot! I'm Puerto Rican and I can see and smell that for a mile. People like you don't deserve to exist. And Christianity had nothing to do with what happened to the Native Americans is greed that drove the Europeans to conquer the new world. The same greed that built in a smaller scale the Aztec and Inca Empires before they fell to Spain.
Ah! So you are hispanic, eh? A descendant of the Christian Conquistadrpos whom commtitted genocied against the Caribbean Natives?
It so happens I have been a fan of Geronimo since I was a kid... I ghave more in common with him in my little finger despite my "race" than you have in your whole body...
@bohemianwriter1: I'm a mixture of four races asshole try again, and you being a fan of Geronimo or Roberto Clemente doesn't make you have anything in common with either individual. And priests? Are you really that dense that think that Catholics are the only Christians out there? Geronimo also believed in one God as well as the rest of his people. And again the Europeans came for gold and riches not to preach the gospel.
This is hard to listen to... I'm moved by this in a strange way. My greatgrandfather was GermanJew, he traveled to Calif. On the way back to Tenn. he met, married an Apache woman. My grandfather is supposed to have gone back to his people and even traveled w/Geronimo at times. He went back and forth between his Mother's home and his father's in Tenn. & Missouri. He took a wife, had children, one my dad. He died when my dad was only 6 yrs. Older brothers/sister remembered him, not my dad.
MsAKSfan 1 week ago
Why must the white people take and take from, they call us drunks, lazy and tree niggers, why are they so ateful, they were the one that took our land, our lives and our god away, they pushed us to reservation and still continue to treat us badly, im only 16, and im Apache...i may be young, but i know many things, and its hard to live in the new age society, i get racism daily by the white people, they laugh at our traditions and mock us. it is not fair we've done nothing wrong.
kurtcobain3336 1 month ago
@kurtcobain3336 I am white and ashamed of the behavior of my ancestors. They were blind to the truth of their actions. I wish I could apologize and make amends for both of our peoples. I wish that this was possible but I fear it isn't... so I will tell you that times are changing. People are recognizing what really happened back 100 plus years ago. Not all white men are of the same spirit that changed things so long ago. I teach my child the truth and her children will know.
LEARNTOPLAYCRAPS 1 month ago
@LEARNTOPLAYCRAPS Racism saddens me, i know not all white people are harmful and hateful, but where i live they all make them selfs high and mighty and comtinue to treat us the same...in some places times are changing....but its not spreading very quickly...and thankyou for saying sorry, though you, yourself never did anything wrong
kurtcobain3336 1 month ago
@kurtcobain3336 I myself have done nothing wrong, but it is my duty to let my child know what really happened so she can also tell the truth to others. I do this so it will not happen again.However when you look at what is happening around the world with our military(the same military that pushed native peoples to reservations and changed a way of life)it almost seems like history is repeating itself. I live in southeastern Utah near the Navajo rez and see the same things you do.
LEARNTOPLAYCRAPS 1 month ago
@kurtcobain3336 May you and your people prosper in the coming years. Thank you for your reply to my previous comment. I truly wish you and yours all the best. I have hope for the future.......I hope you do as well.
With sincerity and respect to all creeds, colors and nations.
LEARNTOPLAYCRAPS 1 month ago
Geronimo's remains should be brought to Arizona...so hid spirit can finally be at rest.
marora02 1 month ago
Give these beautiful descendants of Goyathlay this, they are asking. Why is this country continuing to treat them with such assault and cruelty. This makes me feel sick. I'm not proud to be part of this America when I look at things like this.
One day,when I was struggling, I looked at the picture of Geronimo/Goyathlay that I have hanging in a frame.I asked him if he had time and energy to fly with me today & help me. On my way to work, a hawk appeared on a wire over me a looked into my eyes.
hippieinboots 1 month ago
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jeffman3003 1 month ago
In Lakota they say "Washchu" which is a term for the whites back when the dealings with Europeans were fresh. It means "Greedy one who steals the Fat." Sadly the Europeans of that time were many times moved by greed and gain. Now the Americans are also too often moved by such things. The term is old and nearly forgotten...nearly. Greed has no place in the heart of The Great Spirit. let it find no home in yours.
Reason1717 2 months ago 3
i wish no one ever found the "new world"
Mattheweueu 2 months ago
colonialism must be abolished
bozzdicky 2 months ago
I am part White Mountain Apache, I believe with all my heart Geronimo MUST be returned to Arizona.
confederatecharlie 3 months ago 4
I believe until Goyahkla's bones are returned to his people and Harlyn by those who stole it america will never heal. Has there been any developments now we are in 2011? This is so immoral.
VoxJoxx 3 months ago 2
Just give'em the damn skull back!..for fuck sake!
vodka123ify 3 months ago
Geronimo was a great leader for his people and a big idol for someone like me. I'm English and I live in Spain and yet I know what Geronimo did and, that is called bravery. And yet, after showing bravery and after defending his people's land, the government could at least do, to show respect, is bury his remains like his culture asks. I hope that the great chief, after fighting for so many years, finally rests in peace. Geronimo, the legend!!!
Elfan4 4 months ago
@Elfan4 Exactly!!!!
hippieinboots 1 month ago
@nativechick2 really?? I'm a decendent too! my great great grandmother is related to Geronimo! nice to meet ya, lol:)
RandomLgirl1218 5 months ago
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oui respect
juliafleure 5 months ago
Harlyn Geronimo aint even Related to Geronimo. . the real Geronimo family should be tlkn not him!!!!! i kno because my grand parents told me. . Im the real descendent of Geronimo!!!!!
nativechick2 6 months ago
@nativechick2 Harlyn is a REAL descendent of Geronimo.That is his great grandson & Harlyn was blessed by Geronimo's wife Kate who died in 1954 on the Mascalero res.Im related to Harlyn's wife.Please get your facts straight & respect instead of barging in on what your grandparents told you.If you were the REAL descendent of Geronimo you"d be doing something about it,not Harlyn whos spending all of his money going through this (not for a publicity stunt like Ned Anderson).
SnowwDubb 4 months ago
@nativechick2 & Geronimo wont be at peace til he's brought home to the Gila & he's trying his best to do it..& if he wasnt really related why are they taking samples and trying to match up Harlyn and Geronimo's DNA to get the skull back with the rest of the remains to bring him back...smh, disrespect & ignorance. If you dont like what I have to say, you can take yourself elsewhere. I wont respond to your ignorance after this :) God Bless u
SnowwDubb 4 months ago
The humble people of America would like to apologize to Geronimo's family for the misuse of his name. We have high regard for his descendant family members and encourage dialogue and the expression of emotions in a safe respectful manner. We hope that one day Geronimo will find peace in the spirit world and hope this past animosity of peoples to find peace and unity. We hope he is reburied where he loved most someday and that if any bones are missing that they are found & returned. PEACE & LOVE
PlatinumMgmt 6 months ago
Respect
CombatArchery 6 months ago
I keep looking for a way to do something or find out what is happening with this. my heart won't forget this. go figure.
Robin Silver Lake, WA
labloverz2000 7 months ago 2
I'm Chiricahua apache. my father is half Filipino and Chiricahua. But I am Chiricahua,Chamorro,Filipino. BUT NO MATTER WAT ANY WHITE MAN OR PERSONS SAYS I AM STILL "APACHE" AS one apache warrior said "You always work as a group, not somebody just singled out. There is no such thing as that with the Apache. We say, "I walk with you," not "I walk before you" or "I walk behind you"... You are not a leader, you are a part
WARXDEVILXALAN 7 months ago 2
i rather they kiss my @ss than my skull take my hip bone just kidding skull and bones does satanic rituals and does desecrate religious values sacred things and sanctity of burials remains this is religious intolerance and racism practice in our own country George bush is part of this society also john Kerry
famfrankie 8 months ago
The lunatics who did this I'm sure are laughing their ___ off. I know these people and know what they are. They are pure evil and good luck getting the remains back. These monsters make up their own rules. Many natives blame whites in general but most whites had nothing to do with the genocide of the native peoples. You will note1492 was the year the Jews got kicked out of Spain and "coincidently" was the same year Columbus "discovered" America! They weren't welcome in Spain so they came here.
PMnews1 8 months ago
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@PMnews1 you are pure and evil you white devil!
draconat1 8 months ago
Geronimo is my great great grandfather more greats..but we have papers ina safe that says it all he is in my blood and one day i would want to meet him:)
LalaGrGrr 8 months ago
@LalaGrGrr he is my great great great grand father so im a generation ahead i think im not sure
draconat1 8 months ago
@LalaGrGrr Baddest ass guy that ever lived.....Those white bastards could never catch him FACT
djk28161 6 months ago 2
Geronimo, I would have given my life to fight for such a great cause. I am extremely sorry for your loss; children mother and one true love Alope. Happy Birthday Geronimo!!! June 16th Tell Cochise hello!
myspacecomaffwj 8 months ago
At the end he saids the pola bear is his brother lol I bet winnie the pooh is his other brother.
Duglitas 9 months ago
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jbjeblack 9 months ago
why indian american like apache navajos apache comache incas aztecas mayas aztlan change together change and fight the rite new human and all gringos get out this lands they are the enemy and they destroy this lands
bieberlicous848 9 months ago
@bieberlicous848: incas aztecas mayas don't belong in the USA, they are NOT native to ANY land North of the Rio Grande. Why is it that Mexicans never marched through Mexico City and claimed their "indigenous" rights in Mexico? THAT is the land of your native ancestors, not the USA.
Why is it that Mexicans don't organize and March, and riot against a corrupt thieving government in Mexico, YOUR LAND?
espada9 9 months ago
@bieberlicous848 I'm not saying you are wrong to type what you did. I understand your words. I am what you might call a gringo but I was born of this soil and am part of this land. Perhaps I'm different from other "gringo's" because I respect the plant people, the coyote people, the bear people and so on. I am part of the spirit who moves through all things and that spirit sends me the cool breezes in summer to soothe me just as he sends them to you.
To all my relations,
Rolland
rbheiss 9 months ago
SKULL AND BONES SOULD BE DESTROYED
gatolocoverga152 9 months ago
they should of told obama and bush that how would they feal if we dug up there grandfathers and grandmothers how would they feel...then say i will make you a trade ur grandfather/grandmother bones for my grandfathers bones...
MrYoudontevenknowme 9 months ago 2
Palhaçada, Geronimo foi muito mais que um terrorista, ou alguém que assumiu um atentado sem ser realmente comprovada sua autoria!
Foi um combatente por sua terra, por seus costumes!
T4rot 9 months ago
There must be something "I" can sign or do? to help the family. I am so mad and sad. to know what I know and I DO know.
Robin Silver Lake WA.
labloverz2000 10 months ago
WHITE PEOPLE NAMED THIS LAND AMERICA...CAUSE BEFORE AMERICA THIS WAS INDIGIENOUS LAND !!!
kosolo1988 10 months ago
WHITE PEOPLE A.K.A EUROPEANS ARE THE REAL CRIMINALS!
kosolo1988 10 months ago
i am from burns lake, british columbia,canada. we have heard of gokhllayeh through war legends told from one nation to another. i am still in awe on what gokhlayeh has sacrficed for his future generations. truth of the matter is what scares people and yet all that is ask for is respect. respect goes a long ways, it makes people get along better...peace
FrankaboutFrank 10 months ago
Are those who kiss the skull and bones ... at Yale University,
I think "W" has given the codename ... more SHAME and Racism!
They Should Have Used the name Custer ... It Would Have Been more fitting for Their way of killing ... come see my video, you're welcome.
Justice for Goyathlay, and RESPECT for His People.
They have to apologize ... and many things happened in history.
LeoBertolino 10 months ago
3 people are white unsympathetic, greedy capitalist swines!
bigjoe777 10 months ago
America claims that by occupying lands... they free the populace of that area from the tyranny of their local warlords... Hypocrite much? Thye even haven't confided to return large areas of Native American Indian Tribe lands. I can very much understand why there are more Nationalist terrorists than there are extremists.
bigjoe777 10 months ago
i'm disgusted to learn the gov't used the name of geronimo to associate it with the name of an evil in this world. they aren't fit to even speak his name!
inbetweentics 10 months ago
I think he should have the say just because Geronimo was his antecedent. There are some malicious comments and ignorant generalisations on this page. Atrocities were committed on both sides by both sets. By the way, the term "white devil" is just as ignorant as "savage indian/native american." Unfortunately, the condition on many reservations is very poor and at poverty level.
silentsoliloquy82 10 months ago
native pride 4 life.
give big respect to our native ansestors for freedom.
we still alive and growing big.
navajowarya83 11 months ago
Geronimo may have been wronged but during raids he hung children on meet hooks.
The dudes an ass.
MrRedgnome 11 months ago
@MrRedgnome you dont know anything, you stupid white people!!!
lovegr8 11 months ago
@MrRedgnome Ok....who provoked him????????
djk28161 10 months ago
@MrRedgnome I've heard that also but remember it was a different time back then and they done many terrible things mostly to drive foreigners off lands they considered sacred to their surviaval (spelling not to good) but most people know this but your entitled to your opinion that's why we call it the internet
sd2257 10 months ago
Lets go take Grandfathers skull back!!!
yayallansa 11 months ago
Merci
danseavectesreves 11 months ago
SUPPORT FROM DENMARK TOO
YNWA72 11 months ago
By the laws of nature and attraction Europeans have to receive ten fold their sons and daughters who are now "innocent" but enjoy the inherited benefits All the blood they wasted of different people all over the world WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED but when it happens they will say "God has forsaken us" its over due and soon to come the evidence is clear
777kingofkings 11 months ago
Obama has done nothing because he knows a secret, the same one Bush sr and jr know, their society has things that belong to Geronimo and they will have a curse on them and all who know of this knowledge. Bring back what belongs to Geronimo and bury him on his homeland. Its still a mockery the whites will always make sure of it. Chief Bobby of the Seminole tribe told me they told him 15% is all you get from the Casinos and keep your mouth shut. They rob all tribes every day!
Krylogenic 1 year ago 7
@Krylogenic They are deaf and dumb. They wonder after a black hole. They live off lies and disrespect and thiink no God sees their actions. They are ignorant cowards with no compassion.
2boddah 11 months ago
IF PEOPLE KNEW THERE HISTORY THERE''LL BE NO REASON TO GO AGAINST THIS OF THE APACHE PEOPLE!! GERONIMO WAS & STILL IS A HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrPineda84 10 months ago
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MrPineda84 10 months ago
white people in america was devils
didjo3 1 year ago 18
@didjo3: Your writing skills are retarded, we should finish the rest of you cry babies off, I'm sick of supporting you lazy parasites with my tax dollars GET A FUCKING JOB! YOU LOST, GET OVER IT!
espada9 9 months ago
@espada9 your ancestors came to this land to steal from the INDIANS white people don'
t deserve this land.
teofilonieve 9 months ago
@teofilonieve: YOUR ancestors are from Mexico you ugly midget mongrel beaner, GO BACK or we will SEND YOU BACK IN A FUCKING BOX!
You don't deserve the freedoms and opportunity OUR SYSTEM offers you ungrateful parasites. We should beat you down like your white Spanish masters do back in Mexico!
espada9 9 months ago
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jbjeblack 9 months ago
@espada9 somthing tells me your not any better.potty mouth.
jbjeblack 9 months ago
@didjo3 and still are
r2d23678 6 months ago
@didjo3 it was just crazy (the white)
Look away any c bison carcass whose body the prairie burn to reduce the population of bison and Indian living in this pillar and then have the game penned in reserve arid have can not grow the earth
ketama70 1 month ago
keep your faith brother, I see some of a broken spirit, the assholes did that to me also, keep your anger, your family will respect that, pedophile bush sr, was on the board of barrick gold in canada, I hauled drugs, interstate truck driver, not my choice, bush jr was on the board of eli lilly as was kenneth lay, and alexander haig, all members of satanic knights of malta, you are not alone.
badattitude77769 1 year ago 2
Respect you brother, we are all one, we are all connected, we are all spirit, we bring our spirits home to be with their loved ones.
badattitude77769 1 year ago
this man is so intent of bringing Geronimo remains home. why bring it home? He needs to look into what is going on within our tribe. Does he think bringing bones will change anything. Our children are introduce to meth, abuse , etc.. Come on now, our families need help; Geronimo did not want this. we are suppose to be a strong tribe.. and we come dowm to bones. Geronimo is with the Great Spririt.. I don't think he wants us to fight about where he is buried.
kaazh1 1 year ago
leave his remains alone. he is with the LORD.
kaazh1 1 year ago
@kaazh1 that's what the white man thinks. the spirit does wander around if it doesn't have a proper burial
castro456654 1 year ago
@kaazh1 he's with Usen not the "lord"
jerryonlysucks 1 year ago
i love how he says this is my brother the polar bear! priceless i love it!! this is how we should all think people!!!!!!!!!! thumbs up if you think so too!!!!
SuperNenalove 1 year ago 2
Get him back !! to Arizona! this is where i live now and I want him back
here! NOW
kuech11 1 year ago
this is fucking shit! Why America, "free country" cant do anything, America sucks! Natives are real, u all sucks! Im from Finland, i would never do something like that to my people, u are evil than Russians!!!!
sgtmake 1 year ago
what is the out come..did they get his skull back or not??
tavuchnuche 1 year ago
san carlos arizona .
apachemobster 1 year ago
I hope you get Geronimo's remains back to his homeland.
horseman528 1 year ago
I would hope they have released the remains of Geronimo so his spirit can rest. As a white eyes and am ashamed of how we just took land that belonged to this great people. I am 54 years old and for the last year I have been studying the American Indians and I for one am sad for them and upset with us. I am sorry for how you were treated by us.
vickiesguy 1 year ago
have his remains been released yet to his family
PSYCHOSARA93 1 year ago
Its the society of jesus who is behind it and the bloody vatican,which loves this situacions where they rejoice of their power over the real people that dont follow their rules and their spiritual hoax,
Freminded people of the world,stand on your feet and say no to the EVIL FORCE and say yes to harmony with mother nature
Love and peace
awake2012nibiru 1 year ago
even in death Geronimo has no rest, says alot about the future. nuff said
truesivad 1 year ago 2
I have Geronimo blood running thru my veins..For the ones who have his blood running thru your veins, you know, we're FIGHTERS! We do not give up, we will fight to the end.
I am VERY PROUD AND HONORED to have his blood run thru my heart! Justice needs to be served on many levels...
Bl4zEnitz0 1 year ago 2
@Bl4zEnitz0 you should be proud to have the blood of Gokhlayeh.
1bridlington 1 year ago
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mariotttttttt 1 year ago
@mariotttttttt
I am very proud to know that his blood runs thru me...I strongly believe in my past life, that I was once a warrior, I still feel it now in this life...
Bl4zEnitz0 11 months ago
@Bl4zEnitz0
good! if you feel it, then run with it! Such a feeling is a calling to stand up in these last days as Government works toward final acts to finish the assimilation project. soon Reserves will exist no longer and with that BIA and CAD IA, will relieve their responsiblity to us through the Treaties that bind them to financial, health and educational responsibilites to us. You have the blood of Geronimo! Wow, I love Geronimo!
debbieforpeace 10 months ago
Geronimo's only children to survive him and have children, grandchildren, etc., were his daughter and son with his Mescalero Apache captive wife, Ih-teddah, US name Kate: Lenna (1887-1918) and Robert (1889-1966). Both lived on the Mescalero Apache Reservation in southern New Mexico. Geronimo is buried at Ft. Sill, OK. Chiricahua Apaches who remained in that area are known as Ft. Sill Apache. Jeff Houser is their political leader. Descendants of Robert and the Ft. Sill Apache oppose Harlyn.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
Very true...please help us to allow Geronimo and other native's remains to return to their homeland with their people.
keyanaayers 1 year ago
The majority members of the Geronimo family insist Harlyn is not a "true" Geronimo and has no business claiming to speak for the family. They claim he is exploiting their ancestor for personal fame and gain. The Geronimos filed an injunction stopping his efforts to move the grave from Ft. Sill to Grant County, New Mexico. Harlyn is milking the Skull & Bones scandal because it keeps him in the spotlight and provokes attention from outsiders unfamiliar with the facts.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
@CSFLY77 how do you know this to be true? he speaks with humbleness...do you have proof of this? what if it's only a family feud? let's focus on the bigger picture here
keyanaayers 1 year ago
@keyanaayers GOOGLE Lariat Geronimo for a link to articles about the Geronimo family opposition to Harlyn. The family spoke up a few weeks after Harlyn's press conference grabbed headlines around the world, but it was reported by very few media sources. Since then, the family has filed injunctions effectively stopping Harlyn's campaigns. This group of Geronimo descendants and Ft. Sill Apache leaders are united in opposing Harlyn.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
Geronimo is buried in the Beef Creek cemetery at Ft. Sill, OK, surrounded by the graves of nine family members including his children, grandchildren, etc. It is a sanctified Apache tribal cemetery still in use. If his remains had been dug up in 1918, it would have been big news. No evidence exists it was ever disturbed. The Skull & Bones written account of the "grave robbery" bears no resemblance to the real grave. Their claim is frat boy nonsense. Harlyn is just making foolish noise.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
@CSFLY77 do you have evidence to back this up?
keyanaayers 1 year ago
@keyanaayers The media loves Harlyn because he is an actor and politician who knows how to play the role the public wants to see. Most Geronimo descendants are private and avoid publicity, and the media has given little coverage to their opposition to Harlyn. Lariat Geronimo is the spokesman for the family opposition to Harlyn. GOOGLE him and you'll find articles about this matter. They successfully stopped Harlyn's campaign to move the Ft. Sill grave.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
@keyanaayers to continue... The family is also on record as opposing Harlyn in the Skull & Bones matter. Yes, there is a family feud, rooted mostly in Harlyn's claiming to be the family spokesman. Harlyn changed his name from Via to Geronimo in middle age. Many Geronimos claim he is not legitimate I assume he is Lenna's grandson as he claims, but I know he does not represent the family and its values. Jeff Houser, leader of the Ft. Sill Apache, supports the family opposition to Harlyn.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
@keyanaayers When you GOOGLE Lariat Geronimo, read the Las Cruces Sun article (may be reprinted in Albuquerque Journal). Also, read an article from the Santa Fe Reporter titled "The Strange Saga of Geronimo's Skull". It is excellent. I know several Geronimo descendants and have many friends in Mescalero, so I've been aware of the disagreements for a long time. I'm simply reporting on their side of the story, which has been mostly ignored by the media.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
@CSFLY77 No it is not nonsense. That cult has done many things in secret at very high levels. JFK had he survived would have done away with their secret cult. Prescott Bush also helped fund Hitler. That is a fact. So this would be nothing for him to rob a grave of a great American Hero. Big news? Nothing in our history books in America are seldom accurate.
rodzmen1 1 year ago
@rodzmen1 Which makes Skull & Bones members capable of inventing a tall tale about robbing Geronimo's grave to impress new inductees and fellow Bonesmen. Their claim to have his remains is their only "evidence". There is no record Geronimo's grave was robbed in 1918. Also, credible people insist this skull was at the club long before Geronimo's death in 1909. This is all a noisy distraction from the real debate about moving the grave from Ft. Sill to New Mexico.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
Bring him home in honor!!!!
ixlr8turbo 1 year ago
set his soul free. no more imprisonment. let him go on to where he next belongs. those who imprison him are afraid of his power. may justice prevail and evil be vanquished.
Ganpignanus 1 year ago
si yo fuera tu sacara la bandera de usa de ahi y despues hablara
kaibil33 1 year ago
@kaibil33 Muy bien.
shardana1990 1 year ago
"Geronimo" by Angie Debo is an excellent biography and good starting point for studying this era. Ignore everything you've seen in the movies. Geronimo was the dominant member of a small warrior band and was never a chief or tribal leader. Warriors followed him because of his fighting skills, ruthlessness, and psychic visions. He got a lot of credibility after Naiche, the hereditary chief, deferred to his leadership in their final years in & out of San Carlos.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
While in Oklahoma, most warriors from Geronimo's band became Born Again Christians in the Dutch Reformed Church. Geronimo had a strong born again experience but quickly relapsed into drinking and gambling and left the church. He died an old man in 1909 with $10,000 in the bank, which was divided among his surviving family members: Daughter Eva at Ft. Sill, OK, son & daughter Robert and Lenna at Mescalero, NM, and his 10th and last wife, Azul.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
There are always good & bad people on every side. Many whites during the US-Chiricahua wars were good, honorable, and heroic people. Lt. Charles Gatewood, the officer who negotiated Geronimo's final surrender, was a great hero. Check out Louis Kraft's book "Gatewood & Geronimo". I think Gen. Crook a good man, plus Lt. Britton Davis, George Wratten, and many others. Even Gen. Miles did some good things. He refused Gen. Sheridan's orders to send the band to AZ for trial and execution.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
The only opinions that matter in this case are those of the greater Geronimo family, the Ft. Sill Apache (site of Geronimo's grave), and the Mescalero Apache (home base for all direct descendants). All else is empty noise. To date, the majority members of the Geronimo family have filed suit blocking Harlyn's efforts to relocate the grave. Ft. Sill & Mescalero leaders honor their wishes. The Skull & Bones scandal is dismissed by most as bunk, as Harlyn's distracting nonsense.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
The Geronimo episode of the "We Shall Remain" American Experience series on PBS is being rerun tonight, Nov 8. Check it out. It's really quite excellent. It features interviews with many Chiricahua descendants living in the Mescalero and Ft. Sill communities. The documentary ignores Harlyn completely. The young Robert Geronimo is featured (His side of the family opposes Harlyn and filed suit stopping his campaigns), plus descendants of Cochise and Naiche, etc.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
i also heard a story about how mangus coloradas skull is on display in some museam cause of its size,
thriller79 1 year ago
@thriller79 Unlike Geronimo, Mangas Coloradas was a respected chief and leader of his band of Chiricahua Apaches in southwestern New Mexico in the mid-1800s. His daughter married Cochise and his grandsons were Taza and Naiche. In 1863, early in the US-Chiricahua wars, Mangas was deceived and murdered by the US Army and his large skull sent to a famous phrenologist in NYC. (No one knows where his skull is today.) This is historic fact. The Skull & Bones legend is frat boy fantasy.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
@CSFLY77 Yeah i heard 2 guards were told to shoot him if he tried to escape so they threw a rock at his chest when he was sleeping, startled him and he jumped up giving the guards reason in their minds to shoot, pathetic! I also heard Apache beleive that if you loose a body part in this life you don't have it in the afterlife until it is returned. Is this true? when you say "unlike geronimo" are you saying geronimo wasn't a respected leader?
thriller79 1 year ago
@thriller79 The Chiricahua descendants I know, plus most real history I've read, describe Geronimo as very controversial among his people. He was directly responsible for their removal from the Southwest. He rose to power through a leadership vacuum but was never a chief. Whatever Geronimo's status, it was lower than that of Mangas Coloradas. Mangas got a raw deal and was deceived and murdered by the US Army. His fate had much to do with white trash gold hunters, miners, etc.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
@CSFLY77 Yeah good ole greed got the the better of humanity again! That is such an interesting time to read about. I was into Native culture bigtime when i was a kid, kind of fissled out for a bit, have been doing research again and have to admit the although the natives got the raw deal, the whites aren't entirely to blame of how things went down, i've been reading alot of land that was actully sold to whites by natives, didn't know this when i was a kid or just forgot about it.
thriller79 1 year ago
We are dealing here with Illuminati satanic occultists. They keep Geronimo’s skull for their nefarious purposes. It is absolutely VITAL then, that the collective Native mind does NOT bow down to their tyranny. If you believe, and KNOW, within your minds eye, that the skull is returned to its rightful place, then so it SHALL BE ! but continue in your hopeless despair and you only empower the objectives of the NWO.
stormwings1 1 year ago
This is a heart felt request from a family member whom is still suffering pain and much heartache. Enough is Enough the US President needs to have compassion upon this matter and concider meeting with the family to discuss what can be done to return the remains of Geronimo. Or give an explanation as to why this request falls upon deaf ears. One way or the other public interest is behind the family of Geronimo. God Bless all and may your prayers be answered.
BonesStrollin 1 year ago
@BonesStrollin If the President met with the Geronimo family, he would be told by many that Harlyn is a con man who has no right claiming to speak for the family. They would also tell him that they do not want Geronimo's Ft. Sill grave disturbed, and that the Skull & Bones legend is silly nonsense. It is the majority members of the Geronimo family who filed an injunction blocking Harlyn's campaigns. Harlyn does not have the support of the family or tribe.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
wow he loooks just like geronimo cmon man act like a warrior and get your country back!! Ride on your house and slaughter people like your great great grandfather did!!
tubedude101 1 year ago
Perfect Eloquence Harlan,
MrToddlivingstone 1 year ago
The terrific PBS series "We Shall Remain" is being rerun next week. Check out its Geronimo episode. Interviews with Chiricuhua descendants paint a mostly unflattering portrait of Geronimo. White Pop culture made him a hero and savior. Those here who revere him as a holy saint should study real history versus Hollywood fantasy. Revere instead leaders such as Cochise, Mangas Coloradas, Victorio, even Juh. Naiche is fascinating. Learn about the women warriors, Lozen and Dahteste.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
hope Geronimo's remains are returned to his family and people !
leonardo1480 1 year ago
After all what the Apaches went through you would think they would give them he's remains, its the rotten Bush's again .... leave these people alone you bastards you make me puke.After fighting off the Mexicans, the Americans & the rotten English you would think they would do this one thing they are fucking evil & it makes me sick !
MissSkya1 1 year ago
Would loved to have seen Geronimo and Custer one on one - I know what the outcome would have been.
1bridlington 1 year ago
Native Americans used to rape women and skin people alive. Then they ate them.
DollaBiIIz 1 year ago
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providemehope 1 year ago
Harlyn's campaigns are essentially dead due to the direct opposition of the majority members of the Geronimo family, and lack of support from the Ft. Sill and Mescalero Apache communities. Lariat Geronimo, spokesman for the family opposition, claims Harlyn is not a true Geronimo and has no right speaking for the family. Many in Ft. Sill and Mescalero describe Harlyn as a con man who can manipulate the white guilt crowd but not his own people. Be careful who you support.
CSFLY77 1 year ago
je lai rencontrer pour de vrai a paris
alexisguedes007 1 year ago
My fathers side of his mother is all apache my grand mother is Apache full I take after my fathers side very tall, have honor for menand others and very humble to friends and family.and control
Anger,love and strength So I'm apache 50% and 50. % chammoro it's a island race
WARXDEVILXALAN 1 year ago
I wish you the best of luck and you have my support to make this happen.
6BloodyMezcal9 1 year ago
Those who stole Geronimo's remains will be sickened and dommed and no wonder this nation is going down to drainage and no wonder the white men are becoming gays and barbarics
KOYAINKA 1 year ago
Interesting and very thought-provoking. Some justice needs to be done. Long overdue. Much love and respect for the native peoples accross America.
Chuloloc 1 year ago
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All people born in America are native to America and thus: "native Americans." It's a redundant term that appeals to peo. w/poor language skills. The black haired, sallow-skinned, body hair-lacking people of this continent, who met Chris Columbus @ Cat Island, are akin, appearance-wise, to the peo. of the sub-content called India, therefor calling them Indians is no less accurate as are the terms Occidental, Oriental, Mongoloid, and Australasian when applied to whites, Chinamen & Polynesians.
FinallyTheNight 1 year ago
if that true Bush family did dessecration of human grave. They are to be pursuit for generation for this crime.
symmetry08 1 year ago
the real landlords of north america
mrnigthmare813 1 year ago
All people born in America are native to America and thus: "native Americans." It's a redundant term that appeals to peo. w/poor language skills. The black haired, sallow-skinned, body hair-lacking people of this continent, who met Chris Columbus @ Cat Island, are akin, appearance-wise, to the peo. of the sub-content called India, therefor calling them Indians is no less accurate as are the terms Occidental, Oriental, Mongoloid, and Australasian when applied to whites, Chinamen & Polynesians.
ThePregnancySlaves 1 year ago
@ThePregnancySlaves Use neither. Instead use the term 'Nican Tlaca', which means 'we the people here' in Nahuatl, language of the Mexica/Aztecs('Mexicans' in English). Use OUR languages to identify us, NOT foreign languages.
drki11joy123 1 year ago
@drki11joy123 : You have been assimilated. I noticed this right away as you have utilized the foreign language of English in this venue.
ThePregnancySlaves 1 year ago
@ThePregnancySlaves I'm currently undergoing the process of dissimilation. Tired of the 'white' man's ways. You trollin playa? nah just playin' wit you nigga. Native fo lyfe yo! pasty bastard. :)
drki11joy123 1 year ago
@drki11joy123 : Cartoons are your life.
ThePregnancySlaves 1 year ago
@ThePregnancySlaves I will explain like to a retarded child
....tell me if someone is born in an airplane or in a cruise ship does have birth right to airplane or cruise ship?
KOYAINKA 1 year ago
@KOYAINKA : Your personal problems ARE important.
ThePregnancySlaves 1 year ago
@ThePregnancySlaves For us counts the roots and cultural identity and you can be born anywhere but always your link says that you don't belong here and your ethnic motherland is europe or what ever shit your ancestors come and tell me the lions, elephants whoe are breed here are nor natisve animas. The only 100% natives are the original, indigenous people of continent of america
KOYAINKA 1 year ago
@KOYAINKA : You write poorly.
ThePregnancySlaves 1 year ago
im also a decendant as well and i hope they bring him back to hi homeland. they made his life hell and had him die in a way im sure he didnt want to. the least they can do to make up for it is to let him be barried in his land. tht he faught so hard to be free in
meowandbunny 1 year ago
Geronimo was and is an honorable warrior and person. Anyone who has not read his autobiography should read it. The conquest of north america by white christians will go down in history as another atrocity initiated by the European Christian worldview.
420stealthmicrogrow 1 year ago
Isn't it tragic that culture defines who is a graverobber and who is a "collector"? This is both a crime and a sin!
shelleyrreed 1 year ago
It is my belief, that the nearer we get toward 2012, and beyond, many wrongs will be righted for indigenous peoples across the globe. The encroaching darkness for many, will be as the rising of a ~ Brand new Sun, filling the horizon with its all effulgent brilliance, for we ~ Wild hearts.
stormwings1 1 year ago
AND IT OBVIOUS THERE'S A REASON THEIR NOT LETTING THEM REMOVE GERONIMO REMAINS AND TAKE HIM BACK TO HIS HOMELAND WHERE HE BELONGS..WONDER HOW THEY'D LIKE IT IF SOMEONE TREATED THEIR GRANDMOTHER OR GRANDFATHER OR LOVED ONE LIKE THAT...THIS SO CALLED GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED AND ASHAMED,1 FOR ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN AND 2 NOT MAKING IT RIGHT. AND YES I'M WHITE..
COCKYREDNEK 1 year ago
it's funny to me only in the hypocritical since that when the Apaches did kill white women & children WE say they murdered them but when the white man killed Apache women & children WE declare it a victory.The Apaches believed in an eye for an eye so you can bet your sweet pickled ass it was the white men that slaughtered the Apaches women & children first.& SO DON'T believe EVERYTHING you see on t v but if you want to know the truth read Geronimo's autobio.It's great..HE'S MY AMERICAN HERO
COCKYREDNEK 1 year ago
BUT DONT NATIVES OF THE WORLD GET IT- IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WAR AND SLAVES AND DEMORALIZE THE SLAVES -LIKE KEEPING THEIR LEADERS BONES FROM THE RELATIVES-WHY DONT THEY STEAL IT-OR GET SOME STRATEGY GOING-I DONT ADMIRE SICILIAN MAFIA-BUT THEYACT SECRETLY THEY DONT HUMILIATE THEMSELVES BY BEGGING GOVT LIKE CHILDREN-THEY KEEP DRUGS FROM THEIR COMUNITY BY PUTTING 6 FT UNDER THOSE WHO TRY-HARSH?U KNOW WHAT DRUGGED MEN DO TO WOMEN/CHILDREN-SICILIANS REFINE HEROIN-TO SELL TO BLACK AMERICANS-KEEP THEM DOWN
lmollot 1 year ago
Their lands was stolen from themWith some justice you and every single white american family should pay dear reparations to them for a hundred years. You have built churches, houses, and communities on their sacred grounds. Yet you whine like sore babies when a Muslim is building a community center 3 blocks away from Ground Zero.
The day that the Native Americans decide to kcik your sorry ass aout of their homeland, I will feed them with bullets and PR.
And if all your towns burns down: Tough!
bohemianwriter1 1 year ago
@bohemianwriter1 First of all you being from Europe should be the last person to talk. it Was Europ that claimed those lands as their own!!!
70% of Americans lands, the USA bought from Europe! France,Spain,Russia, etc etc,.
"Native Americans decide to kcik your sorry ass aout of their homeland"
you do know they are a very small population right?
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950
Moi?
I guess that your ancestors are Native Americans, eh? Who did the genocide? Mine or your ancestors? Who's living in America now? How incredibly stupid is it possible to get? I think that you reach an all time high...
Even if they are small in population they would still be enough to burn down your town and fuck your wife while you watch!
bohemianwriter1 1 year ago
@bohemianwriter1: And here we have a typical libtard piece of excrement comparing an equating completely different issues. Darn where should I start? Let's start with the fact that it was muslims who flew the planes into the towers, The Apache warriors would never stoop down as low as Islamic terrorists do, they do not stone women to death for adultery or kill Gays just because of their sexual orientation. Need I go on? Now eat shit and die and long Live Geronimo!
bannedbyMusloons 1 year ago
Right! Abnd Christians killed 19 million Native Americans during the beginning of 35 years from 1492. It was Christians whom napalm bombed Vietnam. It was Christians whom invaded 2 countrieshat had nothing to do with 9.11. It was a Christian whom thought that 650 000 dead people was worth the price by bombing Iraz during the 90's. It was Christians whom made Iraq into a hornets nest in 2003: Result: Another 650 000 dead people. 2 million refugees, and a corrupt government.
bohemianwriter1 1 year ago
It was a dujmbass president whom ignored the arnings which came to his desk just a month before it happened. And Bin Laden? He was treated in a hosital just 2 months before 9.11, and having a meeting with CIA at the same time. Wonder what they talked about.
It was Christians whom went and hunted down Geronimo... It was Christians whom
whom stole his skeleton and skull.
Goyathlay hated whites with the same passion as the farmer in Afghanistan who had his family killed by American bombs..
bohemianwriter1 1 year ago
@bohemianwriter1: You are from Norway you are white you stinking self hating bigot! I'm Puerto Rican and I can see and smell that for a mile. People like you don't deserve to exist. And Christianity had nothing to do with what happened to the Native Americans is greed that drove the Europeans to conquer the new world. The same greed that built in a smaller scale the Aztec and Inca Empires before they fell to Spain.
bannedbyMusloons 1 year ago
@bannedbyMusloons
Ah! So you are hispanic, eh? A descendant of the Christian Conquistadrpos whom commtitted genocied against the Caribbean Natives?
It so happens I have been a fan of Geronimo since I was a kid... I ghave more in common with him in my little finger despite my "race" than you have in your whole body...
bohemianwriter1 1 year ago
@bohemianwriter1: I'm a mixture of four races asshole try again, and you being a fan of Geronimo or Roberto Clemente doesn't make you have anything in common with either individual. And priests? Are you really that dense that think that Catholics are the only Christians out there? Geronimo also believed in one God as well as the rest of his people. And again the Europeans came for gold and riches not to preach the gospel.
bannedbyMusloons 1 year ago