Look at the comments, and watch the video, and try to tell me that it is not harmful for Christians, Muslims and Jews to believe in their imaginary friend. Grow up people. Stop fighting over who knows the imaginary skydaddy best. It's really pathetic.
Jesus was born in palestine I'm from Palestine I know my history in 1948 isralle took over parts of Palestine yes Jesus may have been a Jew but wasn't it that he was to bring the new religion of Christianity and also there was Jew but that was way back before the war of 1948
Had the heretics not revolted causing them to separate from the Roman Catholic Church, Europe would still be united under the True Faith, True Cross and One Unifying Church. Since the Protestant revolt Europe has been on a steady path of decline, and so has the rest of the West including the USA.
If any of you wanted the defeat MOHAMMEDANISM, Protestants need to give up heresies and be united to the TRUE FAITH. Then Europe and the West will once again be strong to defeat Jews and Muslims.
@Search4diabetescure I'm no fan of Islam, but when Catholics stop saying Mary was without sin, stop worshiping relics, declaring saints, and saying the Pope is God's mouthpiece who can dictate all aspects of religious doctrine, stop teaching that sin can be forgiven by priests through works (e.g. Hail Marys), stop using the Apocrypha, and stop saying Catholic tradition is as important as the Bible, then Protestants and Catholics can be reunited. At least they've stopped selling indulgences.
@Search4diabetescure - I am not interested in being united with any Protestants. You kind are PRETENDERS. That's right, just pretending to be Christians while all the while never Christians in the same manner as Transvestites pretend to be women, but never are women. Bible this and Bible that does not make you a Christian, and saying that you believe in Jesus does not make you a Christian just like wearing woman's attire and prancing around pretending to be women does not make you one.
get over it! christians today are not crusaders riding around on horses. alot of christians today aren't even catholics. some of u muslims play too much dungeons and dragons! also, the 1967 capture of eastern jerusalem by israel was becoz the arab armies were gathered around israel's borders preparing for attack. the israelis were not ordered by the pope to take jerusalem.
There is absolutely no reason to think that David was not of the same brown skinned Middle Eastern stock as the rest of the Jewish people at that time.
WHITE PPL lie again.. fukkin devils... the cause of the worlds largest and most disgusting atrocities...
1 Sam 16:12 calls David admoni im y'feh enayim, which means "he was ruddy of complexion and had beautiful eyes." 1 Sam 17:42 calls him admoni im y'feh mar'eh, meaning "he was ruddy, and was beautiful to look upon."As I mentioned previously, the Hebrew word admoni almost certainly relates to a healthy flush to the skin, as of such people as work outside, like shepherds. It has nothing to do with racial or ethnic skin coloring per se.
If you are native to sunny areas such as modern day middle east you will have tanned or brown skin... white european jews from EUROPE are not native to the middle east they are converts... Adam Sandler is not native to the Middle East.. Barbara Streisand is not native to the MIddle East.. they are EUROPEAN JEWS like a lot of jews that MIGRATED to Israel from EUROPE...
So it's wrong for Arabs to call Abraham an Iraqi or Jesus a Palestinian but ok for you're white trash ass to portray Jesus as white trash too? Jesus was Middle Eastern... meaning brown skinned... not a pasty face cracker...! Stupid white people love to brainwash the world. Disgusting in-human devils, the cause of all the worlds pain...
@hannahr77 ... prove that David was white, you white faggot.. ooooh white people invented TV and cars well your white faggot ass wouldn't be able to calculate how to work those without Algebra which Arabs created and a lot of the modern medicines you white trash live on... read a book you uneducated fuck... and I aint even Arab I just admire the TRUTH not lies that whites have been spewing for centuries... lies and poison...
@hannahr77 --- LOL you faggots tried 1000 years ago and FAILED.. SALAUDIN whooped ur white ass back to Europe hahahahah.... the only difference is SALAUDIN let jews and christians live and practice their religion whereas you CRUSADERS murdered men, women and children who were muslims, jews and even your fellow christians... and I LOVE JESUS but he is not God.. his "father/creator" is GOD and the only one worthy of worship!!!!!! who do u think Jesus prayed to? Himself? LOL!
JESUS CHRIST prayed to HIS FATHER as you say so you admit that JESUS CHRIST's FATHER GOD nice my friend real nice and JESUS were GOD THE SON NOT GOD THE FATHER, why you muslims always have to name caling why can't you behave like normal ppl and then you wonder why ppl really dislike you?
I believe those fake jews n Israel now today know Jesus was a Palestinian and that is why they was trying to kill al those people in Dec.2008 before Obama took office. There's a video on the Tube a fake jew yealling to the camra man "He's glad the jews killed Jesus" and now they wat to kill the rest of GOD people the Palestinians. The Bible has GREAT history, I notice it talks about SALVERY but never a word about the HOLOCAUST. I believe the SLAVES were also GOD people.
Palestinians do not hate wasterners, they just hate Zionists like most of us do. The are dehumanised, and have seen their family members killed in cold blood by zionist scum and you ask them to love you for it!! Get real buddy, peace comes when theres justice, and the palestinians have none due to zionists.
No justice = no peace. As for jesus, he was palestinian in the sense that he was located where palestine is today!
Complete and utter nonsense. So, 'the Left' has an explicit agenda to bring about a 'socialist utopia' and is 'in league' with Islamist extremists? The video makes claims about left wing motivations as if they were a given fact, without providing any evidence to back up such claims. Some revolutionary marxists may have such an aim, but to suggest that ALL on the Left are out to bring down democracy is bargain basement conspiracy theory. The Left, like the Right, represents a wide field.
MR. CRUSADER lol like this guy said, if you think Semite is Jewish then you're wrong lol .. Semitic people are Arabs and Jews.. and semitic languages are Arabic and hebrew. so stop hating on moses abraham and your god, oh and Jesus who actually spoke Legit arabic :)
@Mounzia Taqqiya, taqqiya, taqqiya. Jesus spoke Aramaic, a variation of Hebrew. He may have known Hebrew and Greek as well. He sure as hell didn't speak Arabic. No Arabs lived near Judea at the time and the Arabs were without a written language and mostly illiterate... when the hell would he learn Arabic?
@OccidentalSoapbox - umm.. clearly i dont know where u bring your info from.. his mother tongue and his birthplace language was aramaic AND the REAL gospel was written in aramaic. ARAMAIC is a form of Arabic/Hebrew. it uses both alphabets. so im pretty sure he wouldve been able to speak arabic. plus who said there wasn't any arabs in judea during that time.. and who said they were illiterate?.. not during modern judea..dont you know that Ishmael was an arab, long before moses existed..
Where do you se that Ishmael where an arab you should at least know that his name is a hebrew name, Abraham where a Hebrew and his mother where an Egyptian not an arab most likely a Coptic woman
@OccidentalSoapbox lol you're a tard. arabic is a culture that evolved around the time of Jesus. Many of the people who are considered Arab now, are of the same ancestry as the Aramaic and Assyrian peoples of the regions
You obviously know nothing about social evolution... No surprise
@OccidentalSoapbox u must b dumb the original jews and original arabs all carry the same dna j1 and j2 all come under the j haplogroup so all the prophets abraham etc are related to arabs and real jews not fake zionist
so if Moses and Abraham spoke arabic then tell me this why is it that the Old Testament is written in Hebrew and not in arabic like the quran? Abraham where a Hebrew period
This guys a fucking donkey lololol if you wanna realy get down to it fucking morron.... everybody in that area iseral palistian lebanese siryan iraqi and jordaian and saudi are all semitic people chech it out hens the word anti semitic if u hate on jews because jews are semitic people so hate it or not mosas, jesus, abraham, and mohamed where all semitic people.... turns out ur anti semitic lol
@pimpleb technically they are not. Arabic dose not come from a Semitic language. Arabs come from Saudi Arabia, and did not appear in the area until Muhammad conquered it in the 600's. Aramaic, Hebrew and I think Armenian as well are truly Semitic languages, Arabic is really not.
Palestinians and Jews both came from the ancient Hebrews. Im sourcing genetic testing done by Jews themselves at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem in 2009-10, the most detailed study ever conducted on Jewish populations. So Jesus, if he really existed, came from the ancestors of modern Palestinians and Jews BEFORE they split and mixed blood with other populations.
this is where my point lies as in the old testament he clearly states muhammeds name but why are saying divine discriptions when the bible was written 100s of decades after jesus (pbuh) left this earth and the quran was written when muhammed was alive through devine revelation
Why didn't you respond to all the secular historical sources i gave, muslims? It seems that you just want to tug on the quran and refuse to see that so many sources that are not even christian during early BC say your quran is academically and historically wrong.
@cisco19 if ur talking about early BC we were all christians at 1 point and the quran had not been delivered yet as i sayid in my prev comments in the OT of the bible it clearly states that ISA(JESUS)pbuh says that one will come after me his name is Ahmed! Look it up so if the quran wasn't delivered how can it be historically or academically wrong as ur talking about before christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ksamsi Ah no, i wasn't talking about that. You guys arge allot that the bible is corrupt and that the whole divinity of Jesus and the trinity was not known until after 325 AD (Nicene). And in counter, i've supplied anti-christian sources from historians of the 1st century all talking about the christian faith, that jesus was crucified, and that Jesus was worshiped and believed by the christians to be God.
Jesus' words are in the NT not OT, and he never said no one will come after him.
@ksamsi The one Jesus said will come after him is the holy spirit, not mohammad. He gave descriptions about who would come after him, and they where divine descriptions.
It is clearly said in genesis that God gave his covenant to Isaac only, therefore there would be no non-jewish/hebrew prophets to be expected.
hannahr77 i noticed ur temper flaring in your insulting comments but i have not insulted u or ur religions, who is the better believer huh mmmeeeeeeeeeeeee.i suggest u stop speculating and start researching cauz u should hav access to the old testament and be able to read it.......i hope and pray u find the truth b4 the sun rises from the west
if you read the old testament (if u can find it) you will find that jesus says that one will after me named ahmed, and also jesus never permitted pork to be eaten so y do christians eat it as the animal is not filthy but it's cellular tissues resemble the human being. this is y pork is forbidden in all 3 religions ????????
you apparently found the Old Testament didn't you how else can you tell us that JESUS foretold of ahmed, you don't know what JESUS permitted or not do you? You have no clue none of you muslism have a clue of anything not even your own fake religion
@hannahr77 your knowledge seems very weak in what jesus foretold or didn' t foretell, but like most things the christian leaders did is bury the truth, to change things to suit their change in society if you research properly instead of following what the leaders say u will find that jesus was jewish and did not eat pigs or allow it for that matter and if u looked in the old testament you will c the truth screaming at u, and then ask urself y islam is spreading so fast. research all 3 faiths & c
oh so now we have an expert in the Bible and also what JESUS foretold so maybe you could tell us what HE foretold and plz make it before your fake prophet muhammad, like I have said you have no clue of what Christianity is nor do you have any clue of Judaism, islam is a false religion period and you are using taqiyya so prophet so his followers, your a joke and so is your religion
@hannahr77 your ridiculous comments dont make any sense, y r u afraid of the truth and y don't u just do your homework and repent to the one and only GOD ALLAH and acknowledge all the messengers from Adam to Mohammed before the day of judgment arrives or you will perish in hell for eternity.
well well then there's still hope for me because the sun will never rise from the west, you se GOD does not make mistakes and it would be a mistake if the sun would ever rise in the west instead of the east
@hannahr77 Aparently according to ur new world order scientist they are stating we r waiting for a polar shift to happen any time soon and this means the sun will rise from the west, which confirms what the holy quran stated 1430 years ago now tell me thats just a coincidence .
John 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
now tell me who will goes to hell not me I can assure you
@hannahr77 CAN U TELL ME WHEN JOHN 16 WROTE THIS CAUZ IM PRETTY SURE IT WAS WRITTEN MANY DECADES AFTER ISA(JESUS)PBUH WALKED THIS EARTH AND YOUR PHRASES ARE NOT FROM THE 1ST TESTAMENT BUT THE ALTERED PEADAPHILIC VERSION
You are all the same, Jews or Arabs. Brothers from the same land, same blood. If you want to fight, kip your fight in your countries. That's how the brave, honest men are fighting , by themselves - not trying to involve everyone.
@SupositoryRepository THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CIVILIZATION OR NATION REFERRED TO AS “PALESTINE!”. Palestine is a modern term for a country which did not exist in the times of Jesus! fix your data!
Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C., two thousand years before the rise of Islam!
How could JESUS have been a Palestinian when there where no Palestine at the time, how hard is that to understand, HE where born by Jewish parents in Israel
The only thing here is that your lying, that's simple Jew is not religion it's a person and also what JESUS where, like palestinian is not a religion, you ppl for sure are brainwashed 100%, it takes JESUS to wash you clean from satans lies
Jew is a religion, not an ethnicity or a race. European Jews are racist toward Middle Eastern Jews in Israel. European Jews call them "schwartzers" which means the "n-word" in Yiddish. The Israeli government even appoints different Chief Rabbis for European and Middle Eastern Jews.
Judaism is a religion, Palestinian is an ethnicity. Jesus was a Palestinian Jew from the Galilee.
Well Jesus certainly wasn't a Yiddish man playing klezmer music and eating bagels. He would have lived and looked exactly like a Palestinian Felaheen.
@hannahr77 u know what my frend, u christian people dont focus on what jesus told u ,u rather focus on what ur pastor or paul tells u...how on earth can u believe in a book that has mistakes?? are u trying to say that even god makes mistakes? well u call the bible the word of god so i dont know
really so you know this to be a fact that we focus on Paul rather than what JESUS told us, so now tell do you ppl focus on what JESUS told you and what exactly did HE tell other than a few lines in the cursed quran, you say you have a whole chapter abt Miriyam but you only have a few lines abt JESUS, you have nothing abt where HE were born where HE lived, HIS nationality, His siblings, where HE died, you have zip nada on HIM, Jew is not a religion
@hannahr77 the quran is not about jesus u fool ,exactly my point wen i say that the bible is more like a hadith,thers a difference between a life story and a word from god..the gospel revealed to jesus was the word of god ,jesus was a muslim,coz he worshipd one god ,he and he believed that there will be A prophet after him:) not prophets A prophet ,so that makes jesus a muslim ,go and cry about it
ok lets look at it this way...was jesus a christian or muslim? well lets look at the christian view,did he call himself god? did he ask you to worship him? did he ever mention the word trinity? did he eat pork? was he uncircumsized? did he call himself the begotten son of god??? so why on earth would u believe what people said about him? accusing him ,do u think jesus will be happy about the fact that u putin words in his mouth?
a jew is a muslim if he believes in jesus as the messiah...christianity is on another level ,romans and greek corrupted ur religion ,its really sad hey,between muslims and jews is only two prophets nothing else
A Jew is a muslim if he believes JESUS is the Messiah really hmm I have to ask the Rabbis abt this, I am sure they have another version but they don't let that stop from lying which is abt the only thing muslims are real good at so keep it up and make us laugh, so this from the quran, or is it we make it up as we go along straight from your fake lying imam
@urielrabo well read ur bible and ull see how many tyms muhammad(pbuh) is mentioned evn in a song which most christians sing not knowing that u talking about him in the song..jesus also said that he will ask the father to send someone,ahmed mentioned by name ,muhammad's heavenly name is ahmed, and muhammad means the same which is praised one,and another thing is the oldest bible in the world proves trinity is false :-) so it means the new bibles are false,which is why the quran is here
Why did Muhammad confuse Mary, Jesus' mom, with Miriam,Moses's sister?
In Sura 19:28, Mary, the mother of Jesus, is said to be the sister of Aaron and Moses and the daughter of Amram (Sura 66:12). However, Jesus was not born for another 1400 years after Moses! It is clear that Muhammad confused Miriam, the sister of Moses, with Mary the mother of Jesus and wife of Joseph.
@77Merav jesus came lonnnng after moses,it wasnt talking about really being moses sister,its like my name was moses,and u came to me and said moses sister of mary,they used to talk that way in the olden times,thats why the colour coated quran has it underlined coz its not a direct meaning..thank you
@mafiadondogg I read somewhere that Muslims try to counter this argument by saying that because Mary was the cousin of Elizabeth (the mother of John the Baptist) and Elizabeth was descendant of Aaron, then Mary could also be called the “daughter” of Amram in an extended fashion.
the problem: Elizabeth came from Levite tribe while Mary was a descendant of Judah.
@77Merav uhhhm,whats ur point, we talking about the same person,who else had a miraculous birth ,with the son named jesus christ,who could perform miracles,and we evn know what he said,and ur own bible proved that jesus didnt claim to god ,so our quran has a more original story about jesus)pbuh) which matches with the oldest bible found at jesus birth place..and it also says he was the servant of god..
@mafiadondogg My Point Dear Muslim , is very simple: Your Book is Full of hate Lies and distortions.! I'm sure you NEVER read the Bible cos if you where you would noticed the bullshit that you and your Al Umma believe in , period !!
@urielrabo uhhm lmao...jesus believed in one god and that muhammad is the final messanger that makes him a muslim,weather u like it or not..and the jews dont believe in a triune god they believe in god just like jesus and other muslims
@hannahr77 600 years correction ,and jesus didnt say things which he just made up,what ever he said came from the father, who said that there will be a helper ,a prophet to come after him and reveal the truth about god,which only matches with muhammad(pbuh) no other message is from god except the quran,the gospel of jesus,the torah and zabur ...those four books are from god period,paul is outta the question...the apostles only said stories bout jesus ,its like our hadith about muhammad(pbuh) ect
Excuse me but neither you or your fake prophet have any clue as to what JESUS CHRIST said or even did, and so now tell me abt the Gospel of JESUS if you can and what's zabur, and you don't even know abt the Torah do you neither did ill-allah
@hannahr77 ohh we have alot of proof my frend ,from your own biblw,pslams is the zabur...watch passion of the christ and see what jesus calls god "ALLAH" ,he spoke aramaic,even till today aramaic and arabic speaking christians call god allah,god is an english word ,jesus never spoke eng hs lang was aramaic
I did watch the Passion of CHRIST even before you knew abt it and why do you ppl say there's no god but god are you so stupid that you have to repeat yourselves or doesn't ill-allah know who he is, YESHUA spoke Hebrew my dear lost friend HE lwas born in Israel
hahahahah no my dear jesus spoke aramaic ,thats y passion of the christ is in aramaic for your info.. u dont know about ur own religion..jesus is the true christ and he will save the world,and u will cum to know one day which is the true religion
we believe in the god of abraham ,muslims ,christians ,jews ,its the same god we talking about didnt u know that and yet u call urself a christian, u believe that jesus is an incarnate of god ,how could that ever be true,do u think god ,all mighty ,will allow jews to kill him?? are u retarded?? and another thing is jesus didnt die,he was ascended up to heaven
@hannahr77 who ever follows god is the son of god,not a literal son ,we dont have gods DNA no!!! we believe in the god of abraham period ,there is no other god
@hannahr77 and yes a jew is a muslim if he believes jesus is the messiah,coz the qurans message is that,all he has to do is worship god 2 extra times everday and fast in ramadan..and he will automaticali be followin the way of muhammad(pbuh) so that makes u a muslim duh!!!
Jews don't believe in a fake lying murdering rapist prophet muhammad so therefore they are not muslims they are Jews, YESHUA was a Rabbi a Yehudah, nice try anyways but it wont work YESHUA where the SON OF YEHOVAH GOD of YISRAEL, nothing to do with fake muhammad and equal fake ill-allah forget it my dear lost friend, give it up for YESHUA HAMASHIACH the GOD of YISRAEL
@hannahr77 lmao... whats the matter?? are u jealous? god forgives u..dont hate urself and swear and mock on an innocent man like muhammad(pbuh) he is our final prophet and we love him,from adam to jesus all stand with muhammad(pbuh) david,moses,jesus and muhammad stand together ,and all true messangers from god,go and cry about it ,the truth and fact remains :-)))))
So maybe you could tell abt Adam being a messenger of GOD so what where he's message and to whom did he bring the message to muhammad? To fake ill-allah. muhammad might be your messenger but not mine and he stand alone in hell and that my dear lost friend is not o´nly the truth it's also a fact that you'll and every muslim will have to face at the end of the day, and then we'll se who will cry, and oh yeah what message did David bring and the rest of the prophets of GOD
@hannahr77 oh my word lol u dont understand nothing..well moses message was to worship one god,david the same ,thats y jews worship one god duh,jesus came with the same message ,people instead put him equal to god, muhammad (pbuh) came with the message to worship one god, all of them came with the exact same message ,so if u reject one of them,then reject all coz they all had the same message ,the quran is the only book that is orginal ,so follow the quran
So we have the Torah and the Psalm and all it says is this worship 1 GOD, does this make sense to you and why would I reject the prophets in the Bible, I do how ever reject the self proclaimed fake prophet muhammad, who told him that he where a prophet anyway? Did ill-allah or did his wife and her blind uncle
@hannahr77 huh?? im tellin u that muhammad didnt come and make a new religion ,islam is the same religion as judaism and christianity ,its only the propper way and true way,coz it hasnt been changed ,christianity would have been islam if the people followed muhammad(pbuh) and judaism would have been christianity if the jews followed jesus,we would all be ONE ,islam accepts judaism and the true christianity..all with one message
david (worship one god) ,moses(worship one god) jesus (worship one god) muhammad (worship one god) ,christianity of today is the only prob coz u believe in a triune god,but judaism only needs to accept jesus as the messiah thats all..and worship god 2 times extra..the only problem cums wen the christian worships jesus and says he is an incarnate of god ,think for urself ,could that be true?
I know what every prophet of GOD believed in and also who they worshiped and none of them worshipped ill-allah for sure they all worshipped the GOD of Yisrael.did muhammad do that? no he worshiped an arabic deity so therefore it's not even remotely the same deity the GOD of Yisrael has a SON and that SON'S name is YESHUA
in no way did YESHUA speak aramaic why would HE when everybody else spoke Hebrew, and YESHUA never in HIS life called on ill-allah why would HE call on satan? HE called on HIS FATHER ABBA in Hebrew, and since ill-allah is a father to none the plz explain
@hannahr77 oh kayyyy!!! so u telling me that mel gibson a christian dude!! will put lies in his movie?? he kept the movie original,and the truth came out in that movie.those are semetic languages ,jesus spoke aramaic,christian scholars said said that that may have spoken hebrew and greek *may* ,now u people just assume ,but everyone knows he spoke aramaic,if u dont kow that,thn u not a christian
problem is that we muslims know more about jesus than u do..u know y?? coz we only focus on what jesus said..type in your search engine (closer to judaism) and listen to a jew explain allah its the 1st video on the list ,so even IF he spoke hebrew,we still right :-)) u cannot deny that jesus was more muslim than any other religion and that is 100% true
no one worshipd jesus at his time ,coz they knew that he was only a prophet ,the trinity came 325 AD ,and it was assumed to be true but proven to be wrong, today by many people and christian scholars they doubt the trinity..the quran came 600 years AD and was proven to be true!!! 100% true ,now u tell me if jesus wanted u to worship the father ,the son and the holy spirit ,why did he not tell u that?? did he forget? again u down grading the power of god
@mafiadondogg people worshiped jesus as early as in the 30 AD's, when the apostles where still alive. Look at their death sentences. Next, there are seclar anti-christian sorces that attack christianity for believing a Man to be God, and it's 300 years before 325 AD. So clearly, Jesus' divinity and the trinity was believed before the bible was published. It's only the quran, a book made 600 years after the bible that suddenly contradicted the historical background.
@cisco19 jesus...never ever was worshipd when he was alive ,because he never claimed to be god and told u to follow the commandments ,what historical evidence should we believe because there is more evidence that he wasnt really crucified than there is ,no one ever worshippd jesus if u look at the greek meaning of worship to all mighty
@mafiadondogg Yes there is evidence that he was crucified. I'll give you writings of Anti-christian academicians during the 1st century.
"These Christians you know, worship a Man to this day... they deny the gods of greece and worship the crucified SAGE.. the man who was crucified in palestine for he brought this new cult in the world. - Lucian of Samosota, and he hated christians.
7 With these words David rebuked his men and did not allow them to attack Saul. And Saul left the cave and went his way.
8 Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, "My lord the king!" When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
9 He said to Saul, "Why do you listen when men say, 'David is bent on harming you'? what do u think about that verse?? the bible is full of this worship
christian people put words to fit your belief,if u look at the different versions of the bibles and words meaning different all the time u shud imagine what happend to those words in the passed 2000 years ,but everything jesus taught in the bible only proves that he is not god ,and we should worship god and we shud not sin ,if u say he died for ur sins than it means all his teachings meant nothing
@mafiadondogg You confuse versions with translations. The bibles vocabulary in some verses are different in other versions, main reason is because of it being originally written in the ancient hebrew. It's just academically known that not all words and phrases during the ancient language can be rendered accurately. You would fail a research paper with this comment.
@mafiadondogg Dying for our sins wouldn't discredit his teachings. His teachings where based on morality and spiritualty. The death on the cross was the punishment of sin. See, Since God is a righteous God, he can not let sin go out unpunished... sins through out time, so instead of us taking the punishment, he takes it instead.
@cisco19 lmao?? are u sayig that god is so low that he has to punish himself?? imagine this ok,your son is naughty ,he sleeps with another mans wife ,and u love him so much ,u dont hit him but u take a stick and beat the shit outta urself?? thats exactly what u trying to say there but ANYWAY.. god is all mighty he doesnt need to do all that ,paul brainwashed u people and its amzing how u fall for it and pick him over jesus
@mafiadondogg So low? No. I'm saying God is so loving that he took our punishment for us. It was the virtue and example of humility, that God was willing to actually do that. Even in our own court of law, all SINS/crimes need to be punished, that's how a righteous judge is supposed to do. Therefore, God being the loving God and righteous judge took the punishment again.
God showed love, he didn't need to do it, but he did because he loved us and wanted us to learn from it.
@cisco19 lmao ,jesus(pbuh) loved the children of israel with all his heart, but die for their sins ?? it is the biggest myth made up.. why is this world full of sin if he did that?? no wonder christians become atheist ,because they supposd to believe that god died for the sins ,people commit sins that is worst than adam and eve sin ,like rape,murder , what u gotta say about that?? will jesus come and crucify himself again
@mafiadondogg Yes, isn't it common knowledge that giving your life to someone is the proof that you love them? This world is full of sin because we choose to do so, but what happens when the person is full of sin and wants to repent? An "ok, i forgive you" can't happen because it has to be punished. Therefore, the sacrifice was for the people seeking repentance, you don't need to pay for the crimes anymore because it was paid for already by God.
@cisco19 lmao,god gave u life u idiot doesnt that prove that he loves u?? he doesnt need to die ,so if u make a dvd player and u love it ,will u become a dvd player than shock yourself to death to show it how much u love it?? we are his creation ,if u see the commandments and lawsof moses u will see that god cannot die
@mafiadondogg Paul was not the only apostle, nor was he the first apostle who spoke about Jesus being God who became Man, died, and rose again. Is the entire New testament written by Paul? No. All the books have claimed Jesus as LORD. All the authors are historically documented to have been Martyred in severe executions and it was documented that they were testifying that they believed in Jesus as God. Read the letters of Plinny the younger.
Even if you only have the Old Testament and read it in hebrew you'll se that YESHUA is GOD, at the time of YESHUA there where no New Testament only the Old
@cisco19 why was the books of jesus family rejected by the church fathers for saying that he was nothing but a servant of god, at the time of jesus they all knew he was a servant ,tel me something smarty pants if u were with god ,would u not say that u are with him?? and call him GOD ,father ,allah elohim ?? would u not?? u say he is the same person but no where in your bible does jesus say i am god the father ,no no no no..... he doesnt so why on earth would u wanna believe that
@mafiadondogg Jesus/God took the form of a humble servant. It wasn't just his death on the cross that was the sacrifice but also the subjection to our mortal code, just so he can actually experience life as we do and also be an actual example.
You're seriously dodging. I already showed you the proof of Jesus saying he is God. You don't want to quote the verse in Daniel because you know you'll loose.
@cisco19 god doesnt need to experience life he knows what u feeling and what im feeling he is god ,u people make as if god cant feel nothing and doesnt know anything he needs to experience ,he doesnt need no experience in life ,he is our god our creator,jesus is our messiah and was a prophet of the children of israel thats all
@mafiadondogg Here are also other non christian sources of early AD
Cornelius Tacitus in his Annals, xv. 44: Christus ... was executed at the hands of the procurator Pontious Pilate.
And Tacitus was historian. So you have two secular sources of 1st century AD saying he was crucified, plus the gospels and epistles. Your quran is out numbered by historical writings both christian and anti christian dating in the 1st century. Why should we believe it?
@cisco19 thers only two people u have that is right , the church father named ignacious said that many people did not believe that jesus was really crucified ,they believed that it was just a vision or illusion,he didnt believe this though but he said that many people and check up docetism on wikipedia ,there is alot of evidence i cant even think of right now that jesus was not crucified and these are christians not muslims
@mafiadondogg It's not just two people, there were other Non-christian sources of the 1st-2nd century all documenting Jesus being crucified under Pilot. Celsus, Tacitus, Josephus, Plinny the Younger and even NERO said the christians worship a man who was crucified under Pilot.
Mohammad was nothing but ignorant, and historical sources + the gospels + the epistles all have said he was crucified. Those are more than 30 sources vs your quran.
the quran doesnt say what happend but it says that he was not killed neither was he crucified ,but it appeared to them so.. and the historians also say that it was a day of confusion many people saw different things ,so it all makes sense
@mafiadondogg Your quran is the only book that says Jesus was not Crucified. Sorry, but you have more 40 historical sources (both christian and non-christian) that date 300 years BEFORE the Council of Nicene all document academically that Jesus was crucified. The quran is a book written 600 years after the published bible, so why is your quran more right than the scholar sources of 1st century.
@cisco19 not only the quran but does the old testament believe this?? helllll no!!! u people went against commandments and jesus said the commandments is the only way to heaven.... jesus didnt even tell u he is part of the trinity ,he was totally against the worship of things other than god,so u are the anti christ if u dont believe jesus
And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
@hannahr77 lmao ,exactly ,matt 27 proves that people passed out ,everyone saw different things it fits well with the quran ,"it appeared so to them" duh!! god made them believe thats what happend lol ,no one saw him get crucified
"the quran ,"it appeared so to them" duh!! god made them believe thats what happend lol ,no one saw him get crucified "
So in other words, the Quran said that God lied? You were already given sources from Historians of early AD, it's the historian writings + the Gospels vs your quran. Look how many sources document Jesus was crucified as fact, or you just want to ignore the evidence?
after the crucifixion jesus disguised himself as a gardener he hid himself away lmao,do u know what a spirit is?? go and check it up if u claim to be so wise
@mafiadondogg You are a waste of time. You've dodged the necessity of providing proof and you are only arguing with what the quran says against all the academics and scriptural proof.
@cisco19 lol ,i used the bible to show u that u are wrong but anyway yes ,we are both wasting time here ,i believe what jesus ,moses ,david,abraham and muhammad (PBUT all) said.... if u go back to the old books u will see one god one god one god ,repent repent repent...i am not the boss of your brain so its your choice on how u want to view it
@mafiadondogg You didn't use the Bible. You gave a verse from Duet and it has nothing to do with what you are arguing about. What proof have you given so far concerning the crucifixion? Nothing. You know that the only source that says Jesus was never crucified is the quran. Yet the quran/mohammad is slapped in the face with scholar sources all dating 800 years before the quran.
@cisco19 lol i have 3 words for you WORSHIP ONE GOD , all 3 of these words mean one ,WORSHIP(only god can be worshipd) ONE (god id one) GOD(that is who he is) sounds better than the trinity dont u think
54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”
ab means father,but in the quran we rather have rab ,people get confused wen u use the word father ,we are all gods children if we follow him,adam was the son of god ,no mum no dad ,does that make him god? no!! so many people in the bible are sons of god ,but does not make them god ,for god is the all mighty and cannot have partners ,a better word to use is servants,and the oldest bible in the world proves jesus was the servant of god :-))
@mafiadondogg Allah is the word God in arab langauge. He clearly called God, Father. And he was the only one in the bible that referred to God as Father, and it shows the relationship.Jesus is refers to himself as the Son, and it's a title that refers to God in the flesh. God said to moses that his name is "I AM" (YHWH)
and Jesus said
"Surely i say unto you, before abraham ever came to existence, I AM!"
@cisco19 jesus didnt even say I AM ,if u look at historical evidences and if u look at what christian scholars think about this word ,and the word i am was recorded in greek far from hebrew ,and further more ..god all mighty said I AM WHAT I AM ,not just I AM ,and jesus ran away after saying this and hid behind a tree for getting beaten up, do u think god would run away from a beating?? dont be silly
@mafiadondogg What christian scholars? Do you mind giving them? The greek word isn't far from hebrew. Greek is Ego Emmi, Hebrew is Ho-on.. All have the same title format when rendered.
God said "Tell the hebrews, the I AM sent me to you, this is my eternal name in where i'll be remembered as for all generations"
Jesus said: You will die in your sins if you do not believe/know that I AM. How come believing in Jesus is just as necessary as believing the God of abraham?
@cisco19 ego emmi and ho-on ,its like saying elephant and cocoroach ,jesus did not call himself god for christ sake lol,he called himself jesus(saviour) christ(messiah) that is what he was check up the meanings ,he told u that the only way to eternity is if u follow the commandments ,or else u wont enter paradise
@mafiadondogg Ego Emmi and Ho-on have the same meaning, there's nothing you can do about it. Stop arguing with things based off that answering-christianity site, because allot of it is compiled with horrible grammar and also academically fallacious information.
Why did you dodge in providing the Daniel verse i asked for? The one Jesus quoted during his trial as an answer to the Priests on who he was?
a christian will never be ahead of a muslim when it comes to religion,our religion makes the most sense ,has the most proof and doesnt depend on human ,but it speaks for itself,if it can bring scientists into islam than it must be something ,cause they normally become atheist if they are christian and become scientists ,imagine your book has so many different people who wrote it ,we only have one and its more disciplined than your religion
@hannahr77 Mohammad intentionally meant for the quran to be like a support to the gospels and the torah, but it's clearly that he never read the bible because the qurn contradicts Jesus' divinity and also gives wrong descriptions of the trinity and also the theological belief of Jesus.
@hannahr77 Mohammad is not a prophet, it is stated in Genesis that God only established his covenant to Isaac and not ishmael. Therefore no prophets where to be expected out of ishmael.
Mohammad and the quran was meant to co-sign the Bible, but mohammad never read the Bible. Which is why the Quran contradicts the biblical teachings of christ and also gives wrong information about the doctrine of the trinity and also a wrong description of the theology of Jesus.
Ishmael has nothing to do with islam or muslims it's a hoax from the pit of hell even his name is a hebrew name not an arab name, there's no evidence of Ishmael or Abraham even been in mecca or arabia
@cisco19 lol and non of them are christians ,both jew and muslim believe in one god ,ishmael ,isaac ,and abraham worshipd one god ,no father son and holy spirit ,lol lol ,so stop claiming to be like them
no Ishmael did not started the arab race if anything they started the Egyptian race because his mother where an Egyptian, there's no proof in the Bible or elsewhere that ishmael went to mecca or ever been in mecca, so what would the name of ishmael be if not ishmael? Do you know the meaning of his name?
@hannahr77 ishmael was the one lol , i dont have energy to explain this to you all i can tell you is that if you told this to abraham you know what he will do ??? ISAAC ,now go and check up the meaning of isaac and u will know what is gonna happen if u tell this to abraham PBUH
produce your proof and why does ill-allah needs to bless Abraham and every prophets how can it profit them since they are dead long ago now plz explain, I know the meaning of Ishmael, Isaac and also Abraham and you don't have a clue, why would I tell something to Abraham what he already know
"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)" so the writer of the book was unknown ,lol doesnt it make sense that the jews wanted it to be isaac and not ishmael?? becuse isaac was a jew ,so what would u believe ?? an unknown author who doesnt make sense or a prophet who proved himself and is proven to be right till this day??
really that's a joke coming form some 1 who knows nothing abt the Bible or
Christianity or even his own religion
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 105:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "If somebody keeps a horse in Allah's Cause motivated by his faith in Allah and his belief in His Promise, then he will be rewarded on the Day of Resurrection for what the horse has eaten or drunk and for its dung and urine."
Maybe you should buy yourself a horse and get a reward from god
@hannahr77 that just goes to show just how much u know about the quran because abu hurrara is from the hadith not from the quran, ur imbesilic comments dont make any sense and further more ur proposed words from God are from the new testament which has been clearly changed to suit the faggot needs of your priests like i said in my last comment 2 you is GO AND READ UP ON ALL 3 RELIGIONS.
Look at the comments, and watch the video, and try to tell me that it is not harmful for Christians, Muslims and Jews to believe in their imaginary friend. Grow up people. Stop fighting over who knows the imaginary skydaddy best. It's really pathetic.
trueleroix 2 weeks ago
Jesus IS A JEW.
tazpi 1 month ago
Perfect description of the common short-term goal of Leftists and sheetheads. Both want to destroy our traditional foundation.
TommygunNG 1 month ago in playlist More videos from OccidentalSoapbox
You're a pathetic racist buffoon, and that's all there is to it.
RedXlV 1 month ago
Jesus was born in palestine I'm from Palestine I know my history in 1948 isralle took over parts of Palestine yes Jesus may have been a Jew but wasn't it that he was to bring the new religion of Christianity and also there was Jew but that was way back before the war of 1948
ipadstuf 2 months ago 2
Had the heretics not revolted causing them to separate from the Roman Catholic Church, Europe would still be united under the True Faith, True Cross and One Unifying Church. Since the Protestant revolt Europe has been on a steady path of decline, and so has the rest of the West including the USA.
If any of you wanted the defeat MOHAMMEDANISM, Protestants need to give up heresies and be united to the TRUE FAITH. Then Europe and the West will once again be strong to defeat Jews and Muslims.
Search4diabetescure 5 months ago
@Search4diabetescure I'm no fan of Islam, but when Catholics stop saying Mary was without sin, stop worshiping relics, declaring saints, and saying the Pope is God's mouthpiece who can dictate all aspects of religious doctrine, stop teaching that sin can be forgiven by priests through works (e.g. Hail Marys), stop using the Apocrypha, and stop saying Catholic tradition is as important as the Bible, then Protestants and Catholics can be reunited. At least they've stopped selling indulgences.
Dallas8844 2 months ago
@Search4diabetescure - I am not interested in being united with any Protestants. You kind are PRETENDERS. That's right, just pretending to be Christians while all the while never Christians in the same manner as Transvestites pretend to be women, but never are women. Bible this and Bible that does not make you a Christian, and saying that you believe in Jesus does not make you a Christian just like wearing woman's attire and prancing around pretending to be women does not make you one.
Search4diabetescure 2 months ago
all the prophets of god come from middle east
nonnah9 5 months ago
There hardly any real Jew around today!!!
moeazysgc 5 months ago
Jews today are mainly convert, they are not semites actually. I don't think semites had pink asses and faces
montezoma 6 months ago
get over it! christians today are not crusaders riding around on horses. alot of christians today aren't even catholics. some of u muslims play too much dungeons and dragons! also, the 1967 capture of eastern jerusalem by israel was becoz the arab armies were gathered around israel's borders preparing for attack. the israelis were not ordered by the pope to take jerusalem.
antoniopooper 7 months ago 2
There is absolutely no reason to think that David was not of the same brown skinned Middle Eastern stock as the rest of the Jewish people at that time.
WHITE PPL lie again.. fukkin devils... the cause of the worlds largest and most disgusting atrocities...
rascal874 7 months ago
1 Sam 16:12 calls David admoni im y'feh enayim, which means "he was ruddy of complexion and had beautiful eyes." 1 Sam 17:42 calls him admoni im y'feh mar'eh, meaning "he was ruddy, and was beautiful to look upon."As I mentioned previously, the Hebrew word admoni almost certainly relates to a healthy flush to the skin, as of such people as work outside, like shepherds. It has nothing to do with racial or ethnic skin coloring per se.
rascal874 7 months ago
If you are native to sunny areas such as modern day middle east you will have tanned or brown skin... white european jews from EUROPE are not native to the middle east they are converts... Adam Sandler is not native to the Middle East.. Barbara Streisand is not native to the MIddle East.. they are EUROPEAN JEWS like a lot of jews that MIGRATED to Israel from EUROPE...
rascal874 7 months ago
i want to know more about this...its very interesting
TheNikbagtvZone 8 months ago
So it's wrong for Arabs to call Abraham an Iraqi or Jesus a Palestinian but ok for you're white trash ass to portray Jesus as white trash too? Jesus was Middle Eastern... meaning brown skinned... not a pasty face cracker...! Stupid white people love to brainwash the world. Disgusting in-human devils, the cause of all the worlds pain...
rascal874 9 months ago
@rascal874
yeah and without white ppl you would have no TV no car no nothing yeah what pain; David where not brown skinned.
Take a look at JESUS genealogy and you'll find David
hannahr77 7 months ago
@hannahr77 ... prove that David was white, you white faggot.. ooooh white people invented TV and cars well your white faggot ass wouldn't be able to calculate how to work those without Algebra which Arabs created and a lot of the modern medicines you white trash live on... read a book you uneducated fuck... and I aint even Arab I just admire the TRUTH not lies that whites have been spewing for centuries... lies and poison...
rascal874 7 months ago
@rascal874
The arabs has created nothing but lies and misery=islam and soon my GOD will destroy islam, all GLORY OT JESUS CHRIST
hannahr77 7 months ago
@hannahr77 --- LOL you faggots tried 1000 years ago and FAILED.. SALAUDIN whooped ur white ass back to Europe hahahahah.... the only difference is SALAUDIN let jews and christians live and practice their religion whereas you CRUSADERS murdered men, women and children who were muslims, jews and even your fellow christians... and I LOVE JESUS but he is not God.. his "father/creator" is GOD and the only one worthy of worship!!!!!! who do u think Jesus prayed to? Himself? LOL!
rascal874 7 months ago
@rascal874
JESUS CHRIST prayed to HIS FATHER as you say so you admit that JESUS CHRIST's FATHER GOD nice my friend real nice and JESUS were GOD THE SON NOT GOD THE FATHER, why you muslims always have to name caling why can't you behave like normal ppl and then you wonder why ppl really dislike you?
hannahr77 7 months ago
Oh remember that video I was telling you about where here ir is ---> Israeli abuse - We killed Jesus & We're Proud
NubianQueenNEFERTITI 9 months ago
I believe those fake jews n Israel now today know Jesus was a Palestinian and that is why they was trying to kill al those people in Dec.2008 before Obama took office. There's a video on the Tube a fake jew yealling to the camra man "He's glad the jews killed Jesus" and now they wat to kill the rest of GOD people the Palestinians. The Bible has GREAT history, I notice it talks about SALVERY but never a word about the HOLOCAUST. I believe the SLAVES were also GOD people.
NubianQueenNEFERTITI 9 months ago
Palestinians do not hate wasterners, they just hate Zionists like most of us do. The are dehumanised, and have seen their family members killed in cold blood by zionist scum and you ask them to love you for it!! Get real buddy, peace comes when theres justice, and the palestinians have none due to zionists.
No justice = no peace. As for jesus, he was palestinian in the sense that he was located where palestine is today!
tellul8r 11 months ago
@tellul8r no peace = No justice
panafilmxxx 10 months ago
Complete and utter nonsense. So, 'the Left' has an explicit agenda to bring about a 'socialist utopia' and is 'in league' with Islamist extremists? The video makes claims about left wing motivations as if they were a given fact, without providing any evidence to back up such claims. Some revolutionary marxists may have such an aim, but to suggest that ALL on the Left are out to bring down democracy is bargain basement conspiracy theory. The Left, like the Right, represents a wide field.
Alun53 11 months ago
MR. CRUSADER lol like this guy said, if you think Semite is Jewish then you're wrong lol .. Semitic people are Arabs and Jews.. and semitic languages are Arabic and hebrew. so stop hating on moses abraham and your god, oh and Jesus who actually spoke Legit arabic :)
Mounzia 11 months ago
@Mounzia Taqqiya, taqqiya, taqqiya. Jesus spoke Aramaic, a variation of Hebrew. He may have known Hebrew and Greek as well. He sure as hell didn't speak Arabic. No Arabs lived near Judea at the time and the Arabs were without a written language and mostly illiterate... when the hell would he learn Arabic?
OccidentalSoapbox 11 months ago 8
@OccidentalSoapbox - umm.. clearly i dont know where u bring your info from.. his mother tongue and his birthplace language was aramaic AND the REAL gospel was written in aramaic. ARAMAIC is a form of Arabic/Hebrew. it uses both alphabets. so im pretty sure he wouldve been able to speak arabic. plus who said there wasn't any arabs in judea during that time.. and who said they were illiterate?.. not during modern judea..dont you know that Ishmael was an arab, long before moses existed..
Mounzia 11 months ago
@Mounzia
Where do you se that Ishmael where an arab you should at least know that his name is a hebrew name, Abraham where a Hebrew and his mother where an Egyptian not an arab most likely a Coptic woman
hannahr77 7 months ago
@OccidentalSoapbox lol you're a tard. arabic is a culture that evolved around the time of Jesus. Many of the people who are considered Arab now, are of the same ancestry as the Aramaic and Assyrian peoples of the regions
You obviously know nothing about social evolution... No surprise
skinnywhop87 6 months ago
@OccidentalSoapbox u must b dumb the original jews and original arabs all carry the same dna j1 and j2 all come under the j haplogroup so all the prophets abraham etc are related to arabs and real jews not fake zionist
landza99 6 months ago
@Mounzia
so if Moses and Abraham spoke arabic then tell me this why is it that the Old Testament is written in Hebrew and not in arabic like the quran? Abraham where a Hebrew period
hannahr77 7 months ago
This guys a fucking donkey lololol if you wanna realy get down to it fucking morron.... everybody in that area iseral palistian lebanese siryan iraqi and jordaian and saudi are all semitic people chech it out hens the word anti semitic if u hate on jews because jews are semitic people so hate it or not mosas, jesus, abraham, and mohamed where all semitic people.... turns out ur anti semitic lol
pimpleb 1 year ago
@pimpleb technically they are not. Arabic dose not come from a Semitic language. Arabs come from Saudi Arabia, and did not appear in the area until Muhammad conquered it in the 600's. Aramaic, Hebrew and I think Armenian as well are truly Semitic languages, Arabic is really not.
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
lol
iberiano1981 1 year ago
There is nothing at all morally questionable about calling Zionism a racist disease, because it is!
CCostenjo 1 year ago
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@CCostenjo How is Zionism a racist disease? Tell me ,coz obviously I'm from mixed race- helf Hungarian half Persian and I'm Zionist .
What is Zionism? Please Share Your Islamic "knowledge" with us
77Merav 11 months ago
Palestinians and Jews both came from the ancient Hebrews. Im sourcing genetic testing done by Jews themselves at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem in 2009-10, the most detailed study ever conducted on Jewish populations. So Jesus, if he really existed, came from the ancestors of modern Palestinians and Jews BEFORE they split and mixed blood with other populations.
FUCKyouANDyourDOG 1 year ago
dude!! jews were shipped to palestine there was a tiny minority of them who live as palestinians until now! there were shipped by england !
they started going to palestine in early 1900 !!
eyadooooo 1 year ago
this is where my point lies as in the old testament he clearly states muhammeds name but why are saying divine discriptions when the bible was written 100s of decades after jesus (pbuh) left this earth and the quran was written when muhammed was alive through devine revelation
ksamsi 1 year ago
Why didn't you respond to all the secular historical sources i gave, muslims? It seems that you just want to tug on the quran and refuse to see that so many sources that are not even christian during early BC say your quran is academically and historically wrong.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 if ur talking about early BC we were all christians at 1 point and the quran had not been delivered yet as i sayid in my prev comments in the OT of the bible it clearly states that ISA(JESUS)pbuh says that one will come after me his name is Ahmed! Look it up so if the quran wasn't delivered how can it be historically or academically wrong as ur talking about before christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ksamsi 1 year ago
@ksamsi Ah no, i wasn't talking about that. You guys arge allot that the bible is corrupt and that the whole divinity of Jesus and the trinity was not known until after 325 AD (Nicene). And in counter, i've supplied anti-christian sources from historians of the 1st century all talking about the christian faith, that jesus was crucified, and that Jesus was worshiped and believed by the christians to be God.
Jesus' words are in the NT not OT, and he never said no one will come after him.
cisco19 1 year ago
@ksamsi The one Jesus said will come after him is the holy spirit, not mohammad. He gave descriptions about who would come after him, and they where divine descriptions.
It is clearly said in genesis that God gave his covenant to Isaac only, therefore there would be no non-jewish/hebrew prophets to be expected.
cisco19 1 year ago
hannahr77 i noticed ur temper flaring in your insulting comments but i have not insulted u or ur religions, who is the better believer huh mmmeeeeeeeeeeeee.i suggest u stop speculating and start researching cauz u should hav access to the old testament and be able to read it.......i hope and pray u find the truth b4 the sun rises from the west
ksamsi 1 year ago
if you read the old testament (if u can find it) you will find that jesus says that one will after me named ahmed, and also jesus never permitted pork to be eaten so y do christians eat it as the animal is not filthy but it's cellular tissues resemble the human being. this is y pork is forbidden in all 3 religions ????????
ksamsi 1 year ago
@ksamsi
you apparently found the Old Testament didn't you how else can you tell us that JESUS foretold of ahmed, you don't know what JESUS permitted or not do you? You have no clue none of you muslism have a clue of anything not even your own fake religion
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 your knowledge seems very weak in what jesus foretold or didn' t foretell, but like most things the christian leaders did is bury the truth, to change things to suit their change in society if you research properly instead of following what the leaders say u will find that jesus was jewish and did not eat pigs or allow it for that matter and if u looked in the old testament you will c the truth screaming at u, and then ask urself y islam is spreading so fast. research all 3 faiths & c
ksamsi 1 year ago
@ksamsi
oh so now we have an expert in the Bible and also what JESUS foretold so maybe you could tell us what HE foretold and plz make it before your fake prophet muhammad, like I have said you have no clue of what Christianity is nor do you have any clue of Judaism, islam is a false religion period and you are using taqiyya so prophet so his followers, your a joke and so is your religion
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 your ridiculous comments dont make any sense, y r u afraid of the truth and y don't u just do your homework and repent to the one and only GOD ALLAH and acknowledge all the messengers from Adam to Mohammed before the day of judgment arrives or you will perish in hell for eternity.
ksamsi 1 year ago
@ksamsi
well well then there's still hope for me because the sun will never rise from the west, you se GOD does not make mistakes and it would be a mistake if the sun would ever rise in the west instead of the east
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 Aparently according to ur new world order scientist they are stating we r waiting for a polar shift to happen any time soon and this means the sun will rise from the west, which confirms what the holy quran stated 1430 years ago now tell me thats just a coincidence .
ksamsi 1 year ago
@ksamsi
John 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
now tell me who will goes to hell not me I can assure you
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 CAN U TELL ME WHEN JOHN 16 WROTE THIS CAUZ IM PRETTY SURE IT WAS WRITTEN MANY DECADES AFTER ISA(JESUS)PBUH WALKED THIS EARTH AND YOUR PHRASES ARE NOT FROM THE 1ST TESTAMENT BUT THE ALTERED PEADAPHILIC VERSION
ksamsi 1 year ago
You are all the same, Jews or Arabs. Brothers from the same land, same blood. If you want to fight, kip your fight in your countries. That's how the brave, honest men are fighting , by themselves - not trying to involve everyone.
MeHighB 1 year ago
Jesus IS a JEW. He couldn't be a palestinian because in this time not even the name palestine existed. Never a palestine country existed.
tazpi 1 year ago
@urielrabo
Every es-muslim would be the best in the world
hannahr77 1 year ago
Jesus was ethnically Palestinian, religiously Jewish. How hard is that to understand?
SupositoryRepository 1 year ago
@SupositoryRepository THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CIVILIZATION OR NATION REFERRED TO AS “PALESTINE!”. Palestine is a modern term for a country which did not exist in the times of Jesus! fix your data!
Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C., two thousand years before the rise of Islam!
77Merav 1 year ago
@SupositoryRepository
How could JESUS have been a Palestinian when there where no Palestine at the time, how hard is that to understand, HE where born by Jewish parents in Israel
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77
It is very simple.
My ethnicity is English. 2,000 years ago there was no such thing as England. It doesn't mean my ancestors weren't English in appearance and culture.
"Jew" is religion. "Palestinian" is ethnicity. Jesus was a Palestinian Hebrew from Galilee.
SupositoryRepository 1 year ago
@SupositoryRepository
The only thing here is that your lying, that's simple Jew is not religion it's a person and also what JESUS where, like palestinian is not a religion, you ppl for sure are brainwashed 100%, it takes JESUS to wash you clean from satans lies
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77
Jew is a religion, not an ethnicity or a race. European Jews are racist toward Middle Eastern Jews in Israel. European Jews call them "schwartzers" which means the "n-word" in Yiddish. The Israeli government even appoints different Chief Rabbis for European and Middle Eastern Jews.
Judaism is a religion, Palestinian is an ethnicity. Jesus was a Palestinian Jew from the Galilee.
SupositoryRepository 1 year ago
@SupositoryRepository
No my dear lost friend YESHUA was not a palestinian Jew from Galille
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77
Well Jesus certainly wasn't a Yiddish man playing klezmer music and eating bagels. He would have lived and looked exactly like a Palestinian Felaheen.
SupositoryRepository 1 year ago
@hannahr77 u know what my frend, u christian people dont focus on what jesus told u ,u rather focus on what ur pastor or paul tells u...how on earth can u believe in a book that has mistakes?? are u trying to say that even god makes mistakes? well u call the bible the word of god so i dont know
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
really so you know this to be a fact that we focus on Paul rather than what JESUS told us, so now tell do you ppl focus on what JESUS told you and what exactly did HE tell other than a few lines in the cursed quran, you say you have a whole chapter abt Miriyam but you only have a few lines abt JESUS, you have nothing abt where HE were born where HE lived, HIS nationality, His siblings, where HE died, you have zip nada on HIM, Jew is not a religion
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 the quran is not about jesus u fool ,exactly my point wen i say that the bible is more like a hadith,thers a difference between a life story and a word from god..the gospel revealed to jesus was the word of god ,jesus was a muslim,coz he worshipd one god ,he and he believed that there will be A prophet after him:) not prophets A prophet ,so that makes jesus a muslim ,go and cry about it
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
ok lets look at it this way...was jesus a christian or muslim? well lets look at the christian view,did he call himself god? did he ask you to worship him? did he ever mention the word trinity? did he eat pork? was he uncircumsized? did he call himself the begotten son of god??? so why on earth would u believe what people said about him? accusing him ,do u think jesus will be happy about the fact that u putin words in his mouth?
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
a jew is a muslim if he believes in jesus as the messiah...christianity is on another level ,romans and greek corrupted ur religion ,its really sad hey,between muslims and jews is only two prophets nothing else
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
A Jew is a muslim if he believes JESUS is the Messiah really hmm I have to ask the Rabbis abt this, I am sure they have another version but they don't let that stop from lying which is abt the only thing muslims are real good at so keep it up and make us laugh, so this from the quran, or is it we make it up as we go along straight from your fake lying imam
hannahr77 1 year ago
@urielrabo well read ur bible and ull see how many tyms muhammad(pbuh) is mentioned evn in a song which most christians sing not knowing that u talking about him in the song..jesus also said that he will ask the father to send someone,ahmed mentioned by name ,muhammad's heavenly name is ahmed, and muhammad means the same which is praised one,and another thing is the oldest bible in the world proves trinity is false :-) so it means the new bibles are false,which is why the quran is here
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
muhammad is not in the Bible in any form or shape period
hannahr77 1 year ago
Why did Muhammad confuse Mary, Jesus' mom, with Miriam,Moses's sister?
In Sura 19:28, Mary, the mother of Jesus, is said to be the sister of Aaron and Moses and the daughter of Amram (Sura 66:12). However, Jesus was not born for another 1400 years after Moses! It is clear that Muhammad confused Miriam, the sister of Moses, with Mary the mother of Jesus and wife of Joseph.
77Merav 1 year ago
@77Merav jesus came lonnnng after moses,it wasnt talking about really being moses sister,its like my name was moses,and u came to me and said moses sister of mary,they used to talk that way in the olden times,thats why the colour coated quran has it underlined coz its not a direct meaning..thank you
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg I read somewhere that Muslims try to counter this argument by saying that because Mary was the cousin of Elizabeth (the mother of John the Baptist) and Elizabeth was descendant of Aaron, then Mary could also be called the “daughter” of Amram in an extended fashion.
the problem: Elizabeth came from Levite tribe while Mary was a descendant of Judah.
77Merav 1 year ago
@77Merav uhhhm,whats ur point, we talking about the same person,who else had a miraculous birth ,with the son named jesus christ,who could perform miracles,and we evn know what he said,and ur own bible proved that jesus didnt claim to god ,so our quran has a more original story about jesus)pbuh) which matches with the oldest bible found at jesus birth place..and it also says he was the servant of god..
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg My Point Dear Muslim , is very simple: Your Book is Full of hate Lies and distortions.! I'm sure you NEVER read the Bible cos if you where you would noticed the bullshit that you and your Al Umma believe in , period !!
77Merav 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
you have no stories of JESUS in the quran, you have stories of isa not JESUS
hannahr77 1 year ago
@urielrabo uhhm lmao...jesus believed in one god and that muhammad is the final messanger that makes him a muslim,weather u like it or not..and the jews dont believe in a triune god they believe in god just like jesus and other muslims
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
We believe in 1 GOD the FATHER of JESUS CHRIST, and how could JESUS CHRIST believe in muhammad born 700 yrs after
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 600 years correction ,and jesus didnt say things which he just made up,what ever he said came from the father, who said that there will be a helper ,a prophet to come after him and reveal the truth about god,which only matches with muhammad(pbuh) no other message is from god except the quran,the gospel of jesus,the torah and zabur ...those four books are from god period,paul is outta the question...the apostles only said stories bout jesus ,its like our hadith about muhammad(pbuh) ect
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
Excuse me but neither you or your fake prophet have any clue as to what JESUS CHRIST said or even did, and so now tell me abt the Gospel of JESUS if you can and what's zabur, and you don't even know abt the Torah do you neither did ill-allah
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 ohh we have alot of proof my frend ,from your own biblw,pslams is the zabur...watch passion of the christ and see what jesus calls god "ALLAH" ,he spoke aramaic,even till today aramaic and arabic speaking christians call god allah,god is an english word ,jesus never spoke eng hs lang was aramaic
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
I did watch the Passion of CHRIST even before you knew abt it and why do you ppl say there's no god but god are you so stupid that you have to repeat yourselves or doesn't ill-allah know who he is, YESHUA spoke Hebrew my dear lost friend HE lwas born in Israel
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 there is no god but god ,evn a five year old will no that u say that meaning there is no other god besides the one true god
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
hahahahah no my dear jesus spoke aramaic ,thats y passion of the christ is in aramaic for your info.. u dont know about ur own religion..jesus is the true christ and he will save the world,and u will cum to know one day which is the true religion
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
we believe in the god of abraham ,muslims ,christians ,jews ,its the same god we talking about didnt u know that and yet u call urself a christian, u believe that jesus is an incarnate of god ,how could that ever be true,do u think god ,all mighty ,will allow jews to kill him?? are u retarded?? and another thing is jesus didnt die,he was ascended up to heaven
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
So now tell me then if we all believe in the same GOD then we're all muslims and ill-allah has a SON YESHUA HAMASHIACH correct?
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 who ever follows god is the son of god,not a literal son ,we dont have gods DNA no!!! we believe in the god of abraham period ,there is no other god
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@hannahr77 and yes a jew is a muslim if he believes jesus is the messiah,coz the qurans message is that,all he has to do is worship god 2 extra times everday and fast in ramadan..and he will automaticali be followin the way of muhammad(pbuh) so that makes u a muslim duh!!!
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
Jews don't believe in a fake lying murdering rapist prophet muhammad so therefore they are not muslims they are Jews, YESHUA was a Rabbi a Yehudah, nice try anyways but it wont work YESHUA where the SON OF YEHOVAH GOD of YISRAEL, nothing to do with fake muhammad and equal fake ill-allah forget it my dear lost friend, give it up for YESHUA HAMASHIACH the GOD of YISRAEL
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 lmao... whats the matter?? are u jealous? god forgives u..dont hate urself and swear and mock on an innocent man like muhammad(pbuh) he is our final prophet and we love him,from adam to jesus all stand with muhammad(pbuh) david,moses,jesus and muhammad stand together ,and all true messangers from god,go and cry about it ,the truth and fact remains :-)))))
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
So maybe you could tell abt Adam being a messenger of GOD so what where he's message and to whom did he bring the message to muhammad? To fake ill-allah. muhammad might be your messenger but not mine and he stand alone in hell and that my dear lost friend is not o´nly the truth it's also a fact that you'll and every muslim will have to face at the end of the day, and then we'll se who will cry, and oh yeah what message did David bring and the rest of the prophets of GOD
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 oh my word lol u dont understand nothing..well moses message was to worship one god,david the same ,thats y jews worship one god duh,jesus came with the same message ,people instead put him equal to god, muhammad (pbuh) came with the message to worship one god, all of them came with the exact same message ,so if u reject one of them,then reject all coz they all had the same message ,the quran is the only book that is orginal ,so follow the quran
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
So we have the Torah and the Psalm and all it says is this worship 1 GOD, does this make sense to you and why would I reject the prophets in the Bible, I do how ever reject the self proclaimed fake prophet muhammad, who told him that he where a prophet anyway? Did ill-allah or did his wife and her blind uncle
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 huh?? im tellin u that muhammad didnt come and make a new religion ,islam is the same religion as judaism and christianity ,its only the propper way and true way,coz it hasnt been changed ,christianity would have been islam if the people followed muhammad(pbuh) and judaism would have been christianity if the jews followed jesus,we would all be ONE ,islam accepts judaism and the true christianity..all with one message
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
muhammad come and made his own religion period now learn to live it
hannahr77 1 year ago
david (worship one god) ,moses(worship one god) jesus (worship one god) muhammad (worship one god) ,christianity of today is the only prob coz u believe in a triune god,but judaism only needs to accept jesus as the messiah thats all..and worship god 2 times extra..the only problem cums wen the christian worships jesus and says he is an incarnate of god ,think for urself ,could that be true?
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
I know what every prophet of GOD believed in and also who they worshiped and none of them worshipped ill-allah for sure they all worshipped the GOD of Yisrael.did muhammad do that? no he worshiped an arabic deity so therefore it's not even remotely the same deity the GOD of Yisrael has a SON and that SON'S name is YESHUA
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 allah was the name jesus used to call god for your info,all christians supposd to be callin god allah ,jesus spoke aramaic
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
in no way did YESHUA speak aramaic why would HE when everybody else spoke Hebrew, and YESHUA never in HIS life called on ill-allah why would HE call on satan? HE called on HIS FATHER ABBA in Hebrew, and since ill-allah is a father to none the plz explain
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 oh kayyyy!!! so u telling me that mel gibson a christian dude!! will put lies in his movie?? he kept the movie original,and the truth came out in that movie.those are semetic languages ,jesus spoke aramaic,christian scholars said said that that may have spoken hebrew and greek *may* ,now u people just assume ,but everyone knows he spoke aramaic,if u dont kow that,thn u not a christian
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
problem is that we muslims know more about jesus than u do..u know y?? coz we only focus on what jesus said..type in your search engine (closer to judaism) and listen to a jew explain allah its the 1st video on the list ,so even IF he spoke hebrew,we still right :-)) u cannot deny that jesus was more muslim than any other religion and that is 100% true
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
no one worshipd jesus at his time ,coz they knew that he was only a prophet ,the trinity came 325 AD ,and it was assumed to be true but proven to be wrong, today by many people and christian scholars they doubt the trinity..the quran came 600 years AD and was proven to be true!!! 100% true ,now u tell me if jesus wanted u to worship the father ,the son and the holy spirit ,why did he not tell u that?? did he forget? again u down grading the power of god
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg people worshiped jesus as early as in the 30 AD's, when the apostles where still alive. Look at their death sentences. Next, there are seclar anti-christian sorces that attack christianity for believing a Man to be God, and it's 300 years before 325 AD. So clearly, Jesus' divinity and the trinity was believed before the bible was published. It's only the quran, a book made 600 years after the bible that suddenly contradicted the historical background.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 jesus...never ever was worshipd when he was alive ,because he never claimed to be god and told u to follow the commandments ,what historical evidence should we believe because there is more evidence that he wasnt really crucified than there is ,no one ever worshippd jesus if u look at the greek meaning of worship to all mighty
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
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@mafiadondogg
"It is not of good works that we stone you, but you being a mere man, CLAIMING TO BE GOD". The jews even said that he claimed to be God.
Read Jesus' trial: "Are you the Son of God?... I AM, you will see the son of man coming out of the clouds..."
What was Jesus quoting? The prophesy in Daniel, that prophesy says that the son of Man will be worshiped and has full authority of heaven and earth.
Quote the daniel verse, please.
cisco19 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg Yes there is evidence that he was crucified. I'll give you writings of Anti-christian academicians during the 1st century.
"These Christians you know, worship a Man to this day... they deny the gods of greece and worship the crucified SAGE.. the man who was crucified in palestine for he brought this new cult in the world. - Lucian of Samosota, and he hated christians.
cisco19 1 year ago
1 Samuel 24
7 With these words David rebuked his men and did not allow them to attack Saul. And Saul left the cave and went his way.
8 Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, "My lord the king!" When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
9 He said to Saul, "Why do you listen when men say, 'David is bent on harming you'? what do u think about that verse?? the bible is full of this worship
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
Matthew 14
32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Jonh 9
37 Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him
you use taqiyya my dear lsot friend
hannahr77 1 year ago
christian people put words to fit your belief,if u look at the different versions of the bibles and words meaning different all the time u shud imagine what happend to those words in the passed 2000 years ,but everything jesus taught in the bible only proves that he is not god ,and we should worship god and we shud not sin ,if u say he died for ur sins than it means all his teachings meant nothing
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg You confuse versions with translations. The bibles vocabulary in some verses are different in other versions, main reason is because of it being originally written in the ancient hebrew. It's just academically known that not all words and phrases during the ancient language can be rendered accurately. You would fail a research paper with this comment.
cisco19 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg Dying for our sins wouldn't discredit his teachings. His teachings where based on morality and spiritualty. The death on the cross was the punishment of sin. See, Since God is a righteous God, he can not let sin go out unpunished... sins through out time, so instead of us taking the punishment, he takes it instead.
Why are you ignorant of Christian theology?
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 lmao?? are u sayig that god is so low that he has to punish himself?? imagine this ok,your son is naughty ,he sleeps with another mans wife ,and u love him so much ,u dont hit him but u take a stick and beat the shit outta urself?? thats exactly what u trying to say there but ANYWAY.. god is all mighty he doesnt need to do all that ,paul brainwashed u people and its amzing how u fall for it and pick him over jesus
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg So low? No. I'm saying God is so loving that he took our punishment for us. It was the virtue and example of humility, that God was willing to actually do that. Even in our own court of law, all SINS/crimes need to be punished, that's how a righteous judge is supposed to do. Therefore, God being the loving God and righteous judge took the punishment again.
God showed love, he didn't need to do it, but he did because he loved us and wanted us to learn from it.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 lmao ,jesus(pbuh) loved the children of israel with all his heart, but die for their sins ?? it is the biggest myth made up.. why is this world full of sin if he did that?? no wonder christians become atheist ,because they supposd to believe that god died for the sins ,people commit sins that is worst than adam and eve sin ,like rape,murder , what u gotta say about that?? will jesus come and crucify himself again
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg Yes, isn't it common knowledge that giving your life to someone is the proof that you love them? This world is full of sin because we choose to do so, but what happens when the person is full of sin and wants to repent? An "ok, i forgive you" can't happen because it has to be punished. Therefore, the sacrifice was for the people seeking repentance, you don't need to pay for the crimes anymore because it was paid for already by God.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 lmao,god gave u life u idiot doesnt that prove that he loves u?? he doesnt need to die ,so if u make a dvd player and u love it ,will u become a dvd player than shock yourself to death to show it how much u love it?? we are his creation ,if u see the commandments and lawsof moses u will see that god cannot die
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg Paul was not the only apostle, nor was he the first apostle who spoke about Jesus being God who became Man, died, and rose again. Is the entire New testament written by Paul? No. All the books have claimed Jesus as LORD. All the authors are historically documented to have been Martyred in severe executions and it was documented that they were testifying that they believed in Jesus as God. Read the letters of Plinny the younger.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19
Even if you only have the Old Testament and read it in hebrew you'll se that YESHUA is GOD, at the time of YESHUA there where no New Testament only the Old
hannahr77 1 year ago
@cisco19 why was the books of jesus family rejected by the church fathers for saying that he was nothing but a servant of god, at the time of jesus they all knew he was a servant ,tel me something smarty pants if u were with god ,would u not say that u are with him?? and call him GOD ,father ,allah elohim ?? would u not?? u say he is the same person but no where in your bible does jesus say i am god the father ,no no no no..... he doesnt so why on earth would u wanna believe that
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg Jesus/God took the form of a humble servant. It wasn't just his death on the cross that was the sacrifice but also the subjection to our mortal code, just so he can actually experience life as we do and also be an actual example.
You're seriously dodging. I already showed you the proof of Jesus saying he is God. You don't want to quote the verse in Daniel because you know you'll loose.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 god doesnt need to experience life he knows what u feeling and what im feeling he is god ,u people make as if god cant feel nothing and doesnt know anything he needs to experience ,he doesnt need no experience in life ,he is our god our creator,jesus is our messiah and was a prophet of the children of israel thats all
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg Here are also other non christian sources of early AD
Cornelius Tacitus in his Annals, xv. 44: Christus ... was executed at the hands of the procurator Pontious Pilate.
And Tacitus was historian. So you have two secular sources of 1st century AD saying he was crucified, plus the gospels and epistles. Your quran is out numbered by historical writings both christian and anti christian dating in the 1st century. Why should we believe it?
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 thers only two people u have that is right , the church father named ignacious said that many people did not believe that jesus was really crucified ,they believed that it was just a vision or illusion,he didnt believe this though but he said that many people and check up docetism on wikipedia ,there is alot of evidence i cant even think of right now that jesus was not crucified and these are christians not muslims
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg It's not just two people, there were other Non-christian sources of the 1st-2nd century all documenting Jesus being crucified under Pilot. Celsus, Tacitus, Josephus, Plinny the Younger and even NERO said the christians worship a man who was crucified under Pilot.
Mohammad was nothing but ignorant, and historical sources + the gospels + the epistles all have said he was crucified. Those are more than 30 sources vs your quran.
cisco19 1 year ago
the quran doesnt say what happend but it says that he was not killed neither was he crucified ,but it appeared to them so.. and the historians also say that it was a day of confusion many people saw different things ,so it all makes sense
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg Your quran is the only book that says Jesus was not Crucified. Sorry, but you have more 40 historical sources (both christian and non-christian) that date 300 years BEFORE the Council of Nicene all document academically that Jesus was crucified. The quran is a book written 600 years after the published bible, so why is your quran more right than the scholar sources of 1st century.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 not only the quran but does the old testament believe this?? helllll no!!! u people went against commandments and jesus said the commandments is the only way to heaven.... jesus didnt even tell u he is part of the trinity ,he was totally against the worship of things other than god,so u are the anti christ if u dont believe jesus
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
yeah right it was a day of confusion so great that no 1 notices this
Matt 27:50-53
And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 lmao ,exactly ,matt 27 proves that people passed out ,everyone saw different things it fits well with the quran ,"it appeared so to them" duh!! god made them believe thats what happend lol ,no one saw him get crucified
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
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"the quran ,"it appeared so to them" duh!! god made them believe thats what happend lol ,no one saw him get crucified "
So in other words, the Quran said that God lied? You were already given sources from Historians of early AD, it's the historian writings + the Gospels vs your quran. Look how many sources document Jesus was crucified as fact, or you just want to ignore the evidence?
cisco19 1 year ago
after the crucifixion jesus disguised himself as a gardener he hid himself away lmao,do u know what a spirit is?? go and check it up if u claim to be so wise
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg You are a waste of time. You've dodged the necessity of providing proof and you are only arguing with what the quran says against all the academics and scriptural proof.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 lol ,i used the bible to show u that u are wrong but anyway yes ,we are both wasting time here ,i believe what jesus ,moses ,david,abraham and muhammad (PBUT all) said.... if u go back to the old books u will see one god one god one god ,repent repent repent...i am not the boss of your brain so its your choice on how u want to view it
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg You didn't use the Bible. You gave a verse from Duet and it has nothing to do with what you are arguing about. What proof have you given so far concerning the crucifixion? Nothing. You know that the only source that says Jesus was never crucified is the quran. Yet the quran/mohammad is slapped in the face with scholar sources all dating 800 years before the quran.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 lol i have 3 words for you WORSHIP ONE GOD , all 3 of these words mean one ,WORSHIP(only god can be worshipd) ONE (god id one) GOD(that is who he is) sounds better than the trinity dont u think
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
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@mafiadondogg We do worship one God. The trinity = 1 God, it's his 3 revelations.. the father, the Son and the Holy spirit.
cisco19 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
Matt 27
54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”
hannahr77 1 year ago
ab means father,but in the quran we rather have rab ,people get confused wen u use the word father ,we are all gods children if we follow him,adam was the son of god ,no mum no dad ,does that make him god? no!! so many people in the bible are sons of god ,but does not make them god ,for god is the all mighty and cannot have partners ,a better word to use is servants,and the oldest bible in the world proves jesus was the servant of god :-))
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg Allah is the word God in arab langauge. He clearly called God, Father. And he was the only one in the bible that referred to God as Father, and it shows the relationship.Jesus is refers to himself as the Son, and it's a title that refers to God in the flesh. God said to moses that his name is "I AM" (YHWH)
and Jesus said
"Surely i say unto you, before abraham ever came to existence, I AM!"
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 jesus didnt even say I AM ,if u look at historical evidences and if u look at what christian scholars think about this word ,and the word i am was recorded in greek far from hebrew ,and further more ..god all mighty said I AM WHAT I AM ,not just I AM ,and jesus ran away after saying this and hid behind a tree for getting beaten up, do u think god would run away from a beating?? dont be silly
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg What christian scholars? Do you mind giving them? The greek word isn't far from hebrew. Greek is Ego Emmi, Hebrew is Ho-on.. All have the same title format when rendered.
God said "Tell the hebrews, the I AM sent me to you, this is my eternal name in where i'll be remembered as for all generations"
Jesus said: You will die in your sins if you do not believe/know that I AM. How come believing in Jesus is just as necessary as believing the God of abraham?
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 ego emmi and ho-on ,its like saying elephant and cocoroach ,jesus did not call himself god for christ sake lol,he called himself jesus(saviour) christ(messiah) that is what he was check up the meanings ,he told u that the only way to eternity is if u follow the commandments ,or else u wont enter paradise
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg Ego Emmi and Ho-on have the same meaning, there's nothing you can do about it. Stop arguing with things based off that answering-christianity site, because allot of it is compiled with horrible grammar and also academically fallacious information.
Why did you dodge in providing the Daniel verse i asked for? The one Jesus quoted during his trial as an answer to the Priests on who he was?
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 what did i dodge?? give me the info again please?? your questions are very easy to answer so i dont have a problem lol
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
btw i dont go to answering christianity ,but those people own answering islam lol ,they answer all the lies of sam shamoun ,i love that site
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
a christian will never be ahead of a muslim when it comes to religion,our religion makes the most sense ,has the most proof and doesnt depend on human ,but it speaks for itself,if it can bring scientists into islam than it must be something ,cause they normally become atheist if they are christian and become scientists ,imagine your book has so many different people who wrote it ,we only have one and its more disciplined than your religion
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@hannahr77 Mohammad intentionally meant for the quran to be like a support to the gospels and the torah, but it's clearly that he never read the bible because the qurn contradicts Jesus' divinity and also gives wrong descriptions of the trinity and also the theological belief of Jesus.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19
Yes and this cearly makes muhammad a false prophet and ill-allah an idol
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 Mohammad is not a prophet, it is stated in Genesis that God only established his covenant to Isaac and not ishmael. Therefore no prophets where to be expected out of ishmael.
Mohammad and the quran was meant to co-sign the Bible, but mohammad never read the Bible. Which is why the Quran contradicts the biblical teachings of christ and also gives wrong information about the doctrine of the trinity and also a wrong description of the theology of Jesus.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19
Ishmael has nothing to do with islam or muslims it's a hoax from the pit of hell even his name is a hebrew name not an arab name, there's no evidence of Ishmael or Abraham even been in mecca or arabia
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 Abraham, Isaac, and Ishamel are not actual names of people, they probably had a real identity yet the OT called them by these titles.
Ishamel is the start of the Arab race, therefore it's like Isaac = Jew, Ishmael = muslim.
cisco19 1 year ago
@cisco19 lol and non of them are christians ,both jew and muslim believe in one god ,ishmael ,isaac ,and abraham worshipd one god ,no father son and holy spirit ,lol lol ,so stop claiming to be like them
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@cisco19
no Ishmael did not started the arab race if anything they started the Egyptian race because his mother where an Egyptian, there's no proof in the Bible or elsewhere that ishmael went to mecca or ever been in mecca, so what would the name of ishmael be if not ishmael? Do you know the meaning of his name?
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 ishmael was the one lol , i dont have energy to explain this to you all i can tell you is that if you told this to abraham you know what he will do ??? ISAAC ,now go and check up the meaning of isaac and u will know what is gonna happen if u tell this to abraham PBUH
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
produce your proof and why does ill-allah needs to bless Abraham and every prophets how can it profit them since they are dead long ago now plz explain, I know the meaning of Ishmael, Isaac and also Abraham and you don't have a clue, why would I tell something to Abraham what he already know
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 produce my proof?? what proof lol ,i dont understand what u saying
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
produce your proof that Ishmael was the one.
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 read the books all of them an stop speculating
ksamsi 1 year ago
@hannahr77 The Book of Hebrews:
"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)" so the writer of the book was unknown ,lol doesnt it make sense that the jews wanted it to be isaac and not ishmael?? becuse isaac was a jew ,so what would u believe ?? an unknown author who doesnt make sense or a prophet who proved himself and is proven to be right till this day??
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
maybe you should do yourself a favour and stop before you make a completely fool of yourself
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 lmao hahahaha ok ,judging from ur comment we can see your value
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
@mafiadondogg
really that's a joke coming form some 1 who knows nothing abt the Bible or
Christianity or even his own religion
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 105:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "If somebody keeps a horse in Allah's Cause motivated by his faith in Allah and his belief in His Promise, then he will be rewarded on the Day of Resurrection for what the horse has eaten or drunk and for its dung and urine."
Maybe you should buy yourself a horse and get a reward from god
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 that just goes to show just how much u know about the quran because abu hurrara is from the hadith not from the quran, ur imbesilic comments dont make any sense and further more ur proposed words from God are from the new testament which has been clearly changed to suit the faggot needs of your priests like i said in my last comment 2 you is GO AND READ UP ON ALL 3 RELIGIONS.
ksamsi 1 year ago