Traktor Scratch Pro / XONE 4D using timecode CDs with out Audio 8 DJ!!!

[niave]

If their is anyone hear in the UK wanting to buy a Xone 4d then I am selling mine for £800! proper bargain. contact me if your interested :)

[MrJonesgg]

I wanna know if u can use the traktor scratch pro u r using with the allen heath mixer without the cdjs..like somebody else said mapped out..play and cue all off the mixer is this possible?

[GrahamMueller]

Can you use your pitch fader with this set up? I have the audio 6 and the Numark Mixdeck and I can't use the loops and fx's it comes with and I can't use my pitch fader for deck a and for deck b i can but it's not very precise

[WaterhippoElectronic]

Nice check out my channeel for awesome dubstep electro and DNB mixes!

[DJmistico96]

how many costs all???

[latinroman]

@DJmistico96 lolwut? How much does it cost? Just under 3,000 for the mixer alone.

[DJDrunkenBeat]

I´m sure that this is a great controller but it looks totaly ugly !!!

[beatjugglez]

derpderpderp

[MatthewLoram]

Looks like this is a new setup- but an old video- Have you changed anything yet? Have you tried mapping the controller for the other 2 decks? (2 Timecode & 2 Virtual Decks?) That's the sickest mixer!!!!

[thedjgary]

d4asb4aum, sorry, but I am going to cry Noob, here. He isnt using, nor does he have to use the multicore cables because he isnt using the 4/8 audio interface. Using those cables in this setup would actually be more work.  Even if he were to use the interface, he doesnt have to use the multicore cables. True, they were made for scratch, but an RCA is an RCA. Multicore cables only make setup easier. 3 yrs is still Noob for you, heck, 10 years is still noob with a comment like that.

[DJBigJFTW]

@thedjgary don't be a dick, some people just don't know certain stuff.

no need to be an asshole about it.

[d4sb4um]

@thedjgary i mentioned that i never used DVS systems before...nowerdays i got myself Traktor scratch pro and know how it works...

[d4sb4um]

The biggest suprise for me is that,he is using regular chinch cabel,not NI multicore cables, wihch are recommended for traktor scratch pro...to use it...

and pls don't start your respondes with you noob or something, im djing since 3 years but i never rly faced up with DVS systems

[Julynessi]

XONE:4D is certified mixer for Traktor pro.....you don't need an additional external audio interface, because it is already integratd into the DJ mixer.

[rocknrollaa27]

hey man i liked this. good mix. check out my mix

[buzbee1991]

im getting djm2ks and a cdj2k soon :) with TS pro and control cd/vinyl

[heaties]

@buzbee1991 thats a really pointless setup for the money it costs, u should check the traktor s4 mixer, epic bit of kit

[DoubleTwistBe]

Hi nice vid !

I have a question. If you use a timecode setup with audio 4 & traktor offcourse, and if you want to play a cd with 1 deck can i choose then in traktor for 1 deck audio trough? and use just 1 deck with the timecode cd?

grtz,,

DJ Double Twist

[DjAralo]

The best setup of all world.

[Huebination]

I don't get it.. why use a Xone 4D with CDJs and Traktor Scratch Pro if you can have the same amount of possibilites using a Xone 4D only with Traktor Pro?

Or is it just for looking more professional with all that equipment?

[RaialMusic]

cook?

[rcore]

breaks my heart to sell it but its going to waste... im selling my audio8 interface on ebay.... check my username rue3000

[dioxxin]

if you can afford a A&H 4D I assume that the audo 8 shouldn be the problem....

[pillefreeride]

midi controlling sucks , bad response , asio problems always upcoming! -.-

[SUBTRaKTR]

ASIO? I'm shaking that you're actually doing ANYTHING audio related with a PC, hahaha. Mac's use CoreAudio - pretty much every major performer uses MIDI for everything now without issues... because they run MACS. That's kinda the reason why everyone uses Apple for Audio. Never a latency issue, crash (rarely), reboot, etc. Can't count how many days my machine has been running straight without issues.

[hostondemand]

Thats nice, thanks for getting back to me. Was just wondering about your laptop then.. people say you need a better sound card?

You dont need a sound card for Scratch Live so why Traktor or are people confused?

[DjRoyga]

Question, gimme ur set up? :D

[hostondemand]

Question, do you have the Traktor Interface box, you know where you plug the mono leads into before plugging into the laptop or does the XONE 4D save you needing it?

[Braxmetal]

that's the thing, he's not using the audio 8, it's just the xone mixer. exactly, it saves you needing it.

[hostondemand]

you know if you have the traktor pro software on your laptop, is there any alternative interface boxes you can use to connect to the decks rather than buying the traktor audio 8 box?

[Braxmetal]

I don't think there are any.

[quaestiosophisma]

Thats the point of the video, if your have a suitable audiocard then no you dont need the audio 8 box..look up 'Traktor Certified mixers'

[FIN0]

yes lots, hercules seems to give a good response

[MrTwe3k]

Assuming the CDJ's he's using are both Mk3's he is looking at about 7k worth of DJ equipment.

[Gunneryxc]

how much does this hardware and all these stuff cost?

[Migs49]

I'm such a n00b... Can someone explain just like 5% of what's going on here PWEEEEZ?

[emleash]

holy crap nice hardware!

[elton1000hk]

Hi taphasms Can I ask your help here? I just bought the Xone 4d and a pair of the cdj-2000. Previously I am using Audio 8 sound card routing to my Djm800 and now I need to change the setting like the video you sent. However I can't have it sucessfully. Can you explain how is cable and the routing in the input and output coz i've tried your setting but the decks which is no response to my commands at least the deck A cannot detect any signals from my cdj player ....... ! Thanks

[DJNEVSKI]

@elton1000hk All U need is to set up the CDJ2000 as a midi contoller and use the USB soundcard of that same CDJ2000 as output!

[xwgpx55]

bomb fucking setup. do you sell drugs?

[wilfeatscheese]

does that work for vinyl ???

[cheesyquaverq]

it does. Obviously time has moved on now and we now know that the Xone 4D was always Traktor Scratch ready (I bought my Xone 4D a year ago now and have just moved from Traktor Pro to Scratch (without any modification to the Xone 4D needed). If you have this mixer you can buy the upgrade kit (or upgrade from T3 Scratch if that is what you have already) and spin with vinyl as well as Cds.

[taphasms]

Look it is not possible. Traktor disables scratch control to non ceritifed mixers and soundcards which is everything other than the audio 2, 4, & 8. They want you to buy their interfaces! Basically at the end of the day it is just a sound card, it doesn't have any special code to decipher the time code. When these interfaces are plugged into ur laptop it will tell traktor this is a certified audio interface and enables time code.

[taphasms]

The 2D uses the same sound card in as the 4D but the properties in the driver tell traktor it is a 2D not a 4D so scratch panels are not enabled! Some 1 on the post a while back regarding a cracked version enables all sound cards but I would not condone this.

[djaudiofile]

Wrong. The 4D has a much better soundcard than the 2D which is the same as the 3D and they won't work for technical reasons. The 4D has been Traktor Scratch Certified for a while now.

[taphasms]

Look fella you don't know what you are talking about the 2D is the same sound card as in the 4D; USB 2.0. The 3D was a USB 1.0 sound card. I have spoken to Allen & Heath and they confirmed it is the same sound card so why don't you contact them to confirm it!

[djaudiofile]

You are wrong, they may be USB 2.0 but the 4D has way more channels and features. Just look at the damn specs on the website. USB 2.0 hardly means they are the same soundcard,

2D:

• 9 stereo channels 5 (4 analogue and one digital) inputs from a PC and 4 (3 analogue and one digital) returns.

4D:• Totally new 20 channel 96 kHz / 24-bit soundcard connecting via wide-bandwidth USB 2.0 (480Mbit/s)

• Uses 24 bit stereo Analogue to Digital converters and Digital to Analogue converters

[proteuskim]

djaudiofile is right. USB 2.0 only refers to the data transfer speed. It has nothing to do with the number of channels or SQ . The 4D I should hope has a superior sound card given the price of the mixer and that it is the Xone flagship model designed to handle Ableton and Traktor.

[djaudiofile]

Also false, the soundcards don't "tell traktor they are scratch certified." Traktor suppports a number of devices and each update has a list of supported or certified soundcards. They were in the process of certifying this and probably had the 4D enabled in whichever update you got since they got it to work and were going to announce the certification shortly.

[Maxxis1992]

@taphasms I use a  Mixvibes soundcard with Traktor Scratch Pro... and it works ;)... I'm using Timecode Vinyls.

[StephenPayne1985]

Could this be done with the Xone 2D bypassing the Audio 8 and still using CDJ1000s with timecode?

[thetempotramp]

I've heard that it might be possible because I was looking into this. I found out nobody could give me a solid yes or no.

They said it certainly isn't possible with vinyl because it doesn't have any pre-amps in the 2D.

[taphasms]

No Mate u can't. It was wishful thinking at the time but it can't! The software blocks any sound card that isn't certified from time code. NI should look into this because the 2D would be amazing for gigs; sound card and midi all in 1 unit less wiring and messing around!

[StephenPayne1985]

I would be perfect in in a club/ bar environment, like you said "all in one option". I have read some info on doing it but tbh to have it solid on the road and reliable I think i'll go for the Audio 8.

Would be good if someone was to make a vid though trying it out!

Thanks anyway.

[thetempotramp]

Hi people, can you help with the following questions please before I purchase this...

1. Can you cue more then 1 channel at the same time in your headphones? Sorry I just can't find this out anywhere!

2. Can you use the job wheels to pitch bend (like a cdj 1000) and also seek in a track (using midi layer - again like a cdj 1000)?

3. Which parts in the middle of the mixer can you use with Midi?

Many thanks, you're a great help!!!

[ducknzie]

Guys , i want to buy traktor scratch pro! So please , i dont have 4 turtables... Is it possible to connect 2 turntables and 2 cables into mixer so i can use all 4 decks?

Please answer me on private message! THANK YOU!

[djomercohen]

this is alot smaller than what it looks like in the pictures

[nileppezdude]

imagine the Xone4D with the new CDJ2000's, add in some black 1200's and you have the sexiest dj setup possible

[cancatal]

very helpful....

[papiblatino]

wow...very helpful. thank you thank you thank you.

[xfp21]

Wait, so the CDJ's are used as MIDI's? Or How do they control the pitch and jog? Did you map it like that?

[ashyashyashy]

the pitch is moving on the cdj..not on the laptop

[xfp21]

oohhhh, I get it. So you're basically controlling everything 'externally' with the cdj's, and the only thing the pc is doing is supplying the music. Cool man, thanks!

[DjAtomInTheMix]

They just output the audios like that

[DJxBUNNYBOOSH]

you must have some dosh to get all that mate

[emkplayboy6]

Cool vid man!

[shhhk2013]

you bastard [friendly like]!!!!!!!!

[2manythrills]

Some expensive midi-controllers you got there :)

[ppaappoo12]

Weak as piss

[drumandbasschozee]

that setup is mint!!

[wildcomfort88]

cheers mate. just rigged my mates zero 8 up to traktor pro for him. only new to this expensive gear

[wildcomfort88]

can u still use the traktor pro interface without the timecoded cd's? are they just for music files on a hdd

[joecornwall]

you can and yes they control music stored on your pc or other devices.

[luckydatevideos]

the mouse sucks, but the korg nanokontrol solved that problem ;)

[joecornwall]

The 4d is scratch certified so obviously you dont need a audio8 dj. No other mixer unless it is certified will work. If you dont have a certified mixer you need the Audio 8 or Audio 4

[wildcomfort88]

im not sure but are the korg zero 8 traktor certified?

[joecornwall]

yeah man it is

[miguel88ms99]

How do you connect traktor to a 4D without audio 8/4? I mean ther is only one output from the laptop how do you split it to connect to each channel?

[Seccor]

Hy,

the Xone 4D is Traktor Certified, and some other Mixers too. You can see it on the NativeInstruments Homepage. That Mixers have build in Soundcard, so there is no need for Audio 4/8. And you get Traktor Scratch Pro for less the price.

[Farout397]

very nice set up!

[sydneyoldskool]

Awesome. I use Serato and just got a Xone 4D so will have a play seeing if i can use Serato's timecodes with it

[DJPIATRO]

can I use traktor pro with serato?? any help?? I love the effect section on traktor. is it working with serato time code or only with traktor?

[wutangclan11]

yes I need to know this as well!? did you ever find out mate? please can you let me know, it would really save me having to buy some traktor time codes on top of the serato ones!! Thanks

[cloudbowski]

HA! like the way you say routing the American way!

good vid mate, well delivered ;)

[Nisp]

Beautiful setup... I would get a similar one if I had the money :)

[djnebulae]

very nice = )

[YzBrad99]

Pioneer CDJ-1000MK3 CD Players

ALLEN & HEATH ZONE 4D Mixer

Traktor Scratch Pro

Sony Vaio Computer

[MAKKZ720]

can someone tell me the list of gear this guy is using .... ? PLEASE

[shortinos]

Can someone reccomend a not-too-expensive audio interface/external soundcard for Traktor scratch pro?

Just something i can listen through headphones and speakers.

[WizzardX]

M-audio Fast Track Pro. I use it with traktor. Use it for master and for headphone cueing.

[culthebull]

do you have to use a sound card for tracktor scratch pro. im a bit confused, its not just a case of loading it on your laptop and away you go? ??

[ljonathan991]

where can i get the time codes from ?

[DigitalJungle82]

yeah i use conectiv with traktor no problems at all, i switched to traktor after i heard the sound quality compared to torq, and the latency was a lot better, GO Traktor!!

[GoldPitch]

Allen & Heath Xone 4 ,,, Wicked Mixer

[FrEaCK19]

Virtual dj is to easy to use!

Everybody is a dj with that crap, Get real deks and stop talking shit!

Love this mixer!

Maby in the futer i will get 1 :P they are really expensif. Nice add off the 4d

[Smatchimo]

I disagree, not everyone is a DJ with that shit. but i do agree with getting a good mixer at least. if anyone wants to donate a 4d id be much obliged :D

[djarsalan2006]

WEll

the best ones out there are Serato and Torq

[dofens]

in my opinion torq sucks major butt... i have the xponent and the triggerfinger...

[mnusorange]

can you make the same with vinyl without audio 8???

[djkyle9]

traktor is crap virtual dj is the best

[finalbloodbath]

1) that's bullshit

2) get real decks

[DJintraining24]

djm 800 orrrrrrrrrrr the 4d???? any thoghts.

[paolodj94]

oooooooo 4 d

[danthaman7777]

r u aussie?

[professormoriateez]

anybody know if this would work with the mackie d2 mixer with the firewire card installed??

[kourampioulis]

the cracked version recognizes all asio cards as scratch compatible. but i only have audio8s and havent tried with something else.

[TheKoukiMonster]

really? I'm wondering if it would also work with vinyl turntables. I have traktor scratch pro and a m-audio quattro with 4 i/os and I'm hoping to set it up with my tables without getting an audio 8

[kourampioulis]

does it have phono preamps? why dont you try it with cds first? just use a dvd player with the timecode.

[wutangclan11]

thankyou very much for this mate I never thought of that :)

[wutangclan11]

Ah mate are you sure about that? Thats excellent news this comment has confirmed what I have been trying to find out for ages! So with the cracked version a Maya 44 usb will definitely work?

[rpringnitz]

Well you do have nice gear. Thats only like $8000-9000 in equipment MSRP right there.

[wanyasimonee]

is it possible to do the same thing with the xone 2d`s soundcard?

[taphasms]

I don't know 2 b honest but it is the same soundcard as the 4D. Give it a go and post back on here would be great to know!

[wanyasimonee]

it`s not the same , the xone 2d is usb 1.0 and the 4d is 2.0.

i learned form a&h forum that now xone 4d is traktor scratch certified officialy and 2d not

[mrcuss]

In November 2008, Native Instruments certified that the Xone:4D is compatible with Traktor Scratch Pro.

[pixonpassion]

Increible mierda de natillas-instrument con su traktor mojonero. timadores. Os voy a hechar al cue de vallecas. P.D. me meto ketamina

[slimakahousyboy]

AWESOME VIDEO. GREAT GREAT STUFFS YOU HAVE.

i must to buy a xone 4D jesus !!!

[GetIntoZeChoppa]

Mate, that's awesome. You just saved me from having to buy an Audio8. My wallet was in enough pain from buying the 4d. Cheers!

[littlemissjo79]

Anyone know how to set up the midi side of things with 4d and Traktor?

We have the audio side of things set up fine.

I now want to use the midi functions from the mixer to control ie loops filters, effects. which is possible but cant get Traktor to recognise the mixer.

When I do the tests they all work so the computer can recognise it but trktro doesnt..

Anyone help me coz Im Racked right off with it!!!

Anyone??????????????

[mrdahlqvist]

littlemissjo79,

It is easy! :)

Have you done exactly as it says in the manual you get with the 4D? Because i dont think there is any other way to do it, and its very simple, its very well described in the manual.

When you get it to work, go to settings, to Midi settings. Click on add and choose what you would like to happen, maybe to set at Loop. Click the learn button and press the button on your 4D that you would lite to use to set a Loop. Unclick the learn button...

[mrdahlqvist]

littlemissjo79,

There is more settings you can do here, for example what channel you should put your loop on etc.. But I think you will get that on your own..!?

[polka2140]

aaaaaaaaa

[polka2140]

I got the same your staff, but with macbookpro . the traktor pro don't have time code setup why? please help me. tank's man

[advent323]

Mate, Pioneer will work with Tractor its the Midi side of things that hasnt been certified!!

All your doing there is playing a pionneer though it..... Its the midi controlers that would have the issue! which there isnt, its just not set up!!

All you do is apply all your functions to the right controlers!!

[arcticjoe]

nice work man, I've just tested traktor scratch timecode cd on my audigy 2 zs notebook and it works perfectly, no audio 8 required!!! the only problem is that audigy 2 zs notebook only has one input, so I have to switch inputs from main menu to control other decks. if only there was a midi command to do that...

[Calumskidava]

hey where did u get the update kit, av been searching everywhere and cant find it. i keep trying to download it on the native website but its not letting me. cheers

[mrkano66]

Will this work with a DJM 600????

[amirjon]

no, it does not have midi, nor a 2.0 usb 2channel sound card, i can use the djm 800 as midi, but ud still need an externa sound card

[st1lly]

Hi i am looking for help as traktor pro only lets me play if i use 4d wdm audio 2.8 16 (2 in 2 out) then if i use the proper soundcard usb audio driver it works properly well kinda then it crashes when it wants 2.I am using a hp laptop so i am wondering if its hd soundcard and the laptops hot keys will interfere cheers!

[taphasms]

I had the same problem and found that I didn't have the lastest version of pro. You need to open your NI service centre and check that you have the lastest pro version installed in the download section. Also in the audio input routing in pro deselect all the ins, they aren't needed and apparently cause traktor to crash!

[sashaagram]

thats great man,

just didn`t get where do i plug my mac??

no fire wire??

thanx

[thekillerbee123]

Sweeeet bit of kit you got there.

[Skratchworx]

I know that voice and that same gushing about the 4D...

[manus2006]

nicceee

[djcrickylyttle]

Legend! Bought a Xone 4D the other week hoping for a firmware upgrade or whatever to be released at some stage for use with Traktor. Went and bought 2 time coded TS vinyls too. I'll have to invest in some TS cds now i suppose!

[Ryan0751]

As far as I know you still need a Traktor Scratch Pro license in order to use timecode control. Just having the normal "Traktor Pro" license probably won't work. If you purchase the Traktor Scratch "upgrade" package (for use with certified mixers), it comes with the timecode vinyl/cd's. But personally I'd just buy the whole scratch package, so you have the audio 8 for playing on other setups.

[djcrickylyttle]

My setup works perfectly. Tested it out last night :D

[Ryan0751]

Without Scratch?