@dcprime: It's not a "slippery slope" it's a tapestry, pull out one thread and it unravels. But I waste both my time and yours, neither arguing nor debating can change "assumptions" deeply rooted.
@dcprime: I'm sorry, I wrote a little strongly. But it really is important. Call it inductive doubt, once you call into question the authorship of Revelation, it's only a small step away from calling into question the validity. There are people who question the validity of the Gospel According to Saint John, the same gospel in which is written that beloved verse (3:16). Don't you think it's just a little bit drastic to jump to such a conclusion based on mere speculation?
@Archangelstwo : I actually have a hard time with the "slippery slope" argument. Just because you question one thing doesn't mean you have to question something else. Jesus caused the religious people of his time to question a whole range of their assumptions, and I have to believe it was for their good. Anyway, questioning the authorship of Revelation isn't based on mere speculation - there are extremely compelling reasons for doing so. Hopefully "examined truth" is the best option overall.
@Archangelstwo : I appreciate your opinion, and you're certainly free to believe when you like. Certainly John was not an uncommon name in the 1st century, and if you value tradition over textual analysis, that's your prerogative. In the big picture, it doesn't really matter if John the Apostle wrote Revelation or not - the message of the book is what is important, and people have enough trouble sorting that out anyway. :)
Actually, it's only church tradition that says he wrote Revelation. Most Biblical scholars think that Revelation was written by someone else, since the writing style is so different from the Gospel of John and John's letters.
As someone who has translated a good portion of John the Gospel, and all of 1st John (the letter), I agree that he did not write Revelation. It was probably John-Mark, who is mentioned in Acts.
@dcprime: It's not a "slippery slope" it's a tapestry, pull out one thread and it unravels. But I waste both my time and yours, neither arguing nor debating can change "assumptions" deeply rooted.
Archangelstwo 11 months ago
@dcprime: I'm sorry, I wrote a little strongly. But it really is important. Call it inductive doubt, once you call into question the authorship of Revelation, it's only a small step away from calling into question the validity. There are people who question the validity of the Gospel According to Saint John, the same gospel in which is written that beloved verse (3:16). Don't you think it's just a little bit drastic to jump to such a conclusion based on mere speculation?
Archangelstwo 11 months ago
@Archangelstwo : I actually have a hard time with the "slippery slope" argument. Just because you question one thing doesn't mean you have to question something else. Jesus caused the religious people of his time to question a whole range of their assumptions, and I have to believe it was for their good. Anyway, questioning the authorship of Revelation isn't based on mere speculation - there are extremely compelling reasons for doing so. Hopefully "examined truth" is the best option overall.
dcprime 11 months ago
Actually, it's only Biblical scholars that say he didn't write Revelation.
He wrote Revelation, he wrote 3 epistles, and he wrote a gospel.
You're just some guy on youtube, but church tradition, which is handed down from the apostles, says John wrote it.
homb.org/resources/docs/Biblical-Archaeology.pdf
Archangelstwo 11 months ago
@Archangelstwo : I appreciate your opinion, and you're certainly free to believe when you like. Certainly John was not an uncommon name in the 1st century, and if you value tradition over textual analysis, that's your prerogative. In the big picture, it doesn't really matter if John the Apostle wrote Revelation or not - the message of the book is what is important, and people have enough trouble sorting that out anyway. :)
dcprime 11 months ago
He wrote Revelation
EGITAYE 2 years ago 2
Actually, it's only church tradition that says he wrote Revelation. Most Biblical scholars think that Revelation was written by someone else, since the writing style is so different from the Gospel of John and John's letters.
As someone who has translated a good portion of John the Gospel, and all of 1st John (the letter), I agree that he did not write Revelation. It was probably John-Mark, who is mentioned in Acts.
dcprime 2 years ago