RICH PEOPLE ARE NOT FORCED TO PAY JUSTIFIABLY HIGHER TAX BECAUSE THEY KILL! THEY PERSONALLY INTIMIDATE WHOEVER IS PUSHING THEM TO BE FAIR WITH THREATS OF HARM-SPECIFICALLY MURDER!!!
@cdoftx Most of the rich are the first two since consider that "small business activity" includes finders fees, legal services, accounting services even if it is one large firm paying another
It's to bad some less affluent people had dreams of just being alive. Instead they gave up their lives for your freedom and your country. I'd be happy if 5,000 and few wealthy people would give up sumthin' for their country as well.
This country belongs to the rich as well.
No arguments. Time to fight for it.
There's a guy or gal out there right this minute with a missing limb. They gave that up for their country.
They can tax the rich, but the money will not even make a scratch in the nearly 15 trill black hole of debt....I think we are now up to every man, women and child in the US now owes 52,000 in taxes...... One trill, if you could spend 750,000 in a 24 hour period, every day for 4000 years, that is around 1 trill...It would take roughly 60,000 years at 750,000 per day to get nearly 15 trill.....
imagine you are in school with a 4.0 GPA which is a job well done for hard hours studying. Now imagine there is another student with a 2.0 that is struggling. Teacher informs you that 1.0 of your GPA is being taken away from you to help the stuggling student. This will give both a even 3.0 GPA ...does that sound fair for all your hard work? Welcome to the republican party.
Good idea. Put the taxes on the rich back to what they were under Clinton - when there was economic prosperity - before President Bozo the Clown came in and cut them because he followed the failed Ronald Reagan economic thinking.
@Genius14928 It could also reduce spending for products and inadequate supply of wealth to support there enterprise imagine if we would of tax IBM or Apple in 1970s this would halt technical development in the industry during the Bush administration the Corporate tax was as high as in the year 1980.
@doczuess Well the rich pay less into the Treasury now as a percentage of their incomes than they did it 1955, saying "let's increase their taxes" is not thuggery especially when they pay 23% now and 55% then.
@Meade556 How could you possibly know what people paid in 1955? Politicians use statistics like drunks use lamp posts, for support rather than illumination.. Go ahead tax the rich on income they already paid taxes on and legally earned.. Watch them vote with their feet till there are no more rich and Then who are you going to steal from? Thug
@doczuess Let me see IRS data, Bloomberg News, Ben Stein, I could go on. And Clinton raised taxes, Reagan, after 1983 raised taxes, the rich did not leave and since there are entrenched and very wealthy and successful elites elsewhere, they would find it more difficult to be rich elsewhere, instead of simply paying higher taxes here, so weak bluff
@Fordtrucksown Risk of govt. shutdown because of debt ceiling isnt a new concept, its happen alot. Like over 100 times, and ten of those times being the last ten years. But, you bring up a great point, nothing but spending has not done anything for our deficit crisis, its put our economy on life support with decent odds of recover, but the deficit needs to be addressed before that can happen. Spending and tax increase should be used.
BTW: WHY THE FUK DO YOU WANT THIS GUY AROUND CHILDREN!!!!
@Fordtrucksown CORRECTION FOR LAST POST I meant Spending CUTS and tax increase should be used. Damn this 500 character limit. Spending CUTS, to include entitlement programs and tax increases, start with companies killing jobs in the US and sending them overseas (just implement the changes slowly to allow time to adjust).
Jobs will go out of country as long as the USA has the highest business taxes and regulations of anywhere on the globe. Decreasing taxes and regulations increases revenue to the government as more businesses are born and grow. The pie is not static when a government does not destroy enterprise and creativity. Laffer curve.
This argument of rich vs poor is only used by democrat do gooders whose programs do nothing but keep poor people poor & enriches the people in gov't, the trial lawyers, union bosses & hollywood liberals. Witness the policies that Democrats have inflicted on their core constituencies, resulting in vile schools, lawless slums, economic stagnation, and social immobility. Democrats will do anything to make sure that Democratic voters stay helpless and hopeless enough to vote for Democrats.
Democrat thought process ... We need something to float on the water. The big rock that we spent billions on didn't work. Obviously we need to spend more for a bigger rock next time.
that bastard Barney Fag ran a whorehouse for boys a few years back. He should be in jail for that alone. He also was behind the bailout for the banks. He will not say how much money he got unedr the table. He likes to get under the table with his mouth open.
Barney Frank is a disgrace. His idea of an economic recover is 1.8 percent growth foreclosures are running rampant in his own district but bad he is too buy getting high to notice the problem
Good idea!! GE pay Zero taxes, just like Bank of America and others. Corporations must pay their taxes because they make billions in income, And the word income tax is for that for taxing corporations and the people that made millions in income just like any average Joe that made 30,000/year working at a mall.
@mbmart2005 The sad part is that those corporations are rich enough to buy their own house, senaste and presidential candidates. They'll never get their taxed as much as they need to be in order fo the US to keep a social and environmental balance.
@ladulaser Yes, I think you are right. But we need to maintain a mentality of hope and change. Corporations are needed in any country but in these country they have manage to obtain too much power.
@jtizz711 Well, the less you pay the more wage slavery there is. So... Slavery is better than unemployment, and those are the only two choices? Is that what you're saying? I'ld sat evenly distributed purchasing power increases demand and therefor employment.
@ladulaser no, wage should be based upon skill. if you have to pay a person a large wage who has no skill then a small business would be impossible to compete with anyone. This leads to unemployment. The government is obsessed with jobs, yet all they do create ways to destroy small private businesses...and they know it too. Big companies lobby all the time for minimum wages. Wonder why? Its not slavery, you twit
@jtizz711 On skill? So you'ld have tables for how much a person with - for example - a bachelor's degree in a subject relevant to his/her work, would earn after 1,3 and 5 years of employment? Small private business owners are no saints, they are part of the employer organizations that work to pass legislation against labor unions and taxes. I guess what you're trying to say is that more competition leads to less unemployment?
@ladulaser uhh no you just took one thing and said it leads to another without saying why it possibly would. so your saying you like cheese??... see i can do it too. you kind of argue like a fox news anchor
@jtizz711 Ok, let me rephrase the question: How do you evaluate someones skill level at a workplace in an objective way, and adjust their salary accordingly? Btw, yeah, cheese is pretty good. Only thing keeping me from upgrading my lacto-vegetarianism to full vegetarianism :)
@ladulaser it is based upon the value of what they do well for the said company. A man who only has the mental capacity to twist on a top on a bottle in a factory shouldn't be forced to be paid a high wage. It forces companies to leave the country. Then we complain about how there is no jobs and so the federal government forces more socialistic bills that makes more and more companies leave. Its like if the government was a doctor, they would cure cancer by injecting a person with plutonium.
@jtizz711 Nobody's forcing anyone. Companies just see the opportunity for bigger profits abroad, and proceed to move production to countries with weak labor rights, none to little environmental regulation, and lenient workplace safety inspectors. Now I don't blame them for wanting to stay in competition, but can't we at least agree that this behaviour shows that there's something fundamentaly wrong with the rules by which the money making game is played?
Alright Frankie poo, if you believe that so much, then lets see YOU empty 1/2 of your bank account to help the problem... come on.. go ahead.. we're waiting.
Why should the rich pay for your spending .What about these endless wars .Stop the wars .Stop supporting abortion.Vote for anyone that has morals.This person is not it.
"Oh, I know how fo fix this. those fat cats have plenty of money we can tax and reglate well. immediate increase in spending! We can't have have deficit fears, that's outragous, we can tax the people later. Give me the, idiot, I'll fix this"
"So basically, I have no qualms with forcing other people than myself to pay insane tax increases so I can support more reasonable billion-dollar spending that leads to more job loss."
The average nominal corporate tax rate in the European Union is around 25 percent (flat). The Scandinavians and the Dutch have the lowest rates in Western Europe. Once Japan cuts it by 5 points (announced a few weeks ago; even if their debt climbs to 200 percent) the US corporate tax rate will be the world's highest
What about deep cuts in military spending to balance the budget? What about a more conservative and sound monetary policy? Saying that tax cuts for "rich" don't work, because of what happened in late 1920s and 2000s, is a fallacy. Before 1913 there was no federal income tax, and America experienced the quickest industrial growth in history. Anyway, in Switzerland the maximum marginal tax rate at the federal level is 11.5 percent, and the country works wonderfully
Driving is considered a privlege. If You can't afford car insurance, you shouldnt drive. Thats what puplic transportation is for. The government should not be forcing private enterprise on U.S. citizens. Fair enough?
They wont tax the same ultra wealthy bankers and wall street people who screwed us. They are out to go after the middle class like always in order to try to destroy the finances of the people who are the real backbone of this country and create most of the new businesses and jobs. Besides, why would we want to punish the rich just for being rich. Wealth and abundance are wonderful things. We should seek to punish the dishonest and the unjust and should not pick on people as if wealth is a crime.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Look at all the rich people in the government, most of the illegal czar most of which are tax criminals. If people want to redistribute wealth we should start with them, but their plan will send it all to them.
The weak corporations are going to shut down because of the cut in profits causing shortage of employment & lowering tax revenue. The strong corporation will form oligopolies & raise the price of goods & services causing inflation. Rising of cost of running a business in the US will cause the companies to produce goods in other countries. Labor will be lost to 3rd world countries. This spiral will continue causing congress to raise taxes on the middle class. Raising taxes will ruin the economy.
@hoorano Good point. We have to make to so it is not lucrative to have our manufacturing done overseas. We just got done with an 8 year "trickle down" economy experiment and look what that got us. Every time I hear that the big corporations need to pay less taxes in order to hire more people is a crock of shit. Demand and a good product is what will lower unemployment. Ask any CEO if he would cut his pay by 1/3 to hire more people and they would say, "Hell no!"
@phillipmarch22 I think you missed my point. In my last sentence I said, "Raising taxes will RUIN the economy." I'm pro-business and profit is necessary for our economy to thrive. Question: After the tax reduction bill was passed in 2001, what happen to the economy? Did it get worst? No, it saved the economy after the Al Qaeda attacked the WTC. Raising taxes won't create or save any jobs. CEO needs to be paid to manage profits or s/he will move to greener pastures.
@hoorano If my memory serves me right, the economy went south right after 9/11. bin Laden got his wish! We get attacked by an extremist group out of Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, and what do we do? Attack Iraq for NO reason. Good God man, it is embarrassing. And that war will end up costing us $3 TRILLION. It makes me feel like I am from another planet. For sure!
@phillipmarch22 Military spending avg. was 4% (& rising today) of GDP throughout Bush's term. Is that what you call bankrupt? BTW we won the war in Iraq. Unemployment avg. 7.5% (now 9.8%). Want to see expensive? Medicare 16.8% of GDP & rising. Projection of Obamacare 20% vs 15.5% of GDP w/o Obamacare. Source: census, CBO & cms(dot)gov. I feel like moving to another planet with these kind figures. BTW most of GDP is by corporate profits via taxes. > profit = > tax revenue = > GDP (ECON 101)
In 2008 we spent $663,255,000,000 in military spending. I don't go by GDP because so many different costs are associated by different countries GDP. We spent more on the MIC than the next 37 industrialized countries combined. Fucking ridiculous! Won in Iraq? WTF did we win? That is the stupidest statement I ever heard. Iraq was never a threat to the US. Jr. bush wanted to impress daddy bush and that is the ONLY reason we invaded Iraq. Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
@phillipmarch22 We are at war w/ terrorism, right? Of course military spending is up. Objectives in Iraq were accomplished: surge successful, no Saddam, independently ruled, relatively stable, no Al Quaeda training camps, etc. GDP is the income that was produced by. . . you guessed it. . . corporate profits! If you you have a checkbook, income is included, right? As for WMD, Saddam fooled Iran & US in conducting activities to pretend that he had WMD. The US won't admit being fooled.
@phillipmarch22 ~ Your Memory serves the left only. We attacked Iraq because they were a hostile nation that posed a threat to their neighbors and the US. They committed 13 aggressive flyovers, Committed Genocide on a targeted segment of their own people. Committed Rape, Murder, False Incarceration, Ethnic cleansing, and attempted to assasinate our President. We went after the Nazi's for a hell of alot less! Maybe it would be a less costly venture if Clinton did his Job in the 1st place!
USMC I am sorry, but your memory is wrong. Iraq hostile? What were they gonna do, throw rocks at us? They had NOTHING to do with 9.11, did NOT have WMD's, which in itself is not a reason to attack. A country goes to war when another country is an immediate threat to us. Then, we implement the draft so the rich little boys and girls can die right along side the poor ones. As for Iraq's internal problems, that is what revolutions are for. We might as well of attacked Iceland. Ridiculous!
Phill~My Memory? So you are saying that all that I mentioned didnt happen in Iraq before we struck? You compare Iraq to Iceland? I'm not a Rep, but what frosts me about the extremists is that they twist or ignor the facts to suit their agenda. What could Bush do in the 4months in office, that clinton couldnt do in 8 years? You also leave out the post 9/11 mentality that propagated the anger from all sides of the political spectrum. Lastly, No Soldier or Marine wants to fight next to a Draftee.
@USAFORMERUSMC But don't get me wrong, I am for a strong military and by the looks of your YouTube name, you are a Marine. If so, God Bless you for your service. My parents were both in the Army and met in Korea. They both were against Vietnam and Iraq. bush jr. lied to Congress and the American people about Iraq. More of our troops died then the amount of civilians we lost on 9.11 not to mention the millions of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. Con't.
And you are right about one thing, Clinton should have been more aggressive in regard to al-Qaeda. We had bin Laden in our gun sites twice, and Clinton's advisors said no, too many civilians would die. When Clinton left the White House he told bush jr. that al-Qaeda was our biggest threat and that something would happen. Shame on Clinton, but shame on bush jr. for not doing anything about al-Qaeda, then invading a country to impress Daddy. Fucking stupid mass murderer and war criminal.
As for Obamacare, the bill didn't go far enough. The only way our system will work is when the profit is eliminated I hope my 5 year old Grandson will have to look in a history book to find out what a private health insurance company WAS. My oldest brother DIED because of our healthcare system. He needed a brain scan and the PHI company denied his claim and he was too proud to ask the family for money. If anyone out there thinks our healthcare system is ok iS too stupid to even talk to!
@phillipmarch22 I'm sorry to hear about your son. You think the govt can do better than the private HC? How funny that Rep. Earl Blumenauer of OR (D) (pro-assisted suicide) and Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV of WV (D), had urged the administration to cover end-of-life planning as a service offered under the Medicare wellness benefit. Your family can be covered, but the govt can deny treatment because of cost, something that the death panels can determine. This is true w/ all govt sponsored HC.
Yes, the government does FAR better than the private health insurance system.. Medicare is a good example. I have had to fight Blue Cross on numerous occasions. Our VA system is also excellent. Both my parents used it and loved it. Assisted suicide? NOTHING in the original bill or the current bill EVER had anything to do with assisted suicide. What it was is that a doctor would get paid to explain end of life care. Yep, you are so very typical of a Faux News junkie. Have you read the bill?
@phillipmarch22 I have military friends who served in Iraq & Afghanistan & receiving VA help. It sucks. They transferred the services to private HC & it's a whole lot faster & better quality. Before the HR 3962 & 4872 were passed, provisions for doctors to deny treatment because of cost &or lack of quality longevity was in there. It was taken out when "death panels" were addressed by Palin. Obama wants it back in (quietly w/o publicity) as an added on regulation. We can't trust the current govt.
@phillipmarch22 Medicare is unsustainable. C'mon. 20% of GDP in the next 20 years? The program itself is help, but it's too big of a handout. I know people on Medicare and I wish them continuous treatment. I don't know how, but an abatement program to get off of Medicare is needed. Better planning & pre-investing into a health saving account can help. If people can raise their own retirement via 401K or IRA, they can raise $ to fund their own HC. It takes good planning.
@hoorano Well, my parents both go to the VA clinic and hospitals in Southern California and it is WAY better than Blue Cross. They know. They both got off the VA system and entered the PH insurance arena. No comparison, the VA system is WAY better. They had to fight Blue Cross every step of the way. As for health care, do you think that there should be health insurance companies? Cause they are the problem. No matter if you have a 401 K or not. And if you can't afford it, should you die?
@phillipmarch22 What about you? Aren't you afraid Medicare is going to get cut as of January 2011 via Obamacare & SRS? Tricare premiums are going up next year. Can your parents afford it? Cal has become a nanny state. The private corporations (except for the political contributors) are being squelched by the high taxes & regulations. It's the individuals' responsibility planning properly for the latter years of their lives. I prefer to control my destiny rather than leaving it up the govt.
You assume a lot. I am 40 and retired. Worked my way to the top and won't ever have to worry about money. You didn't answer my question. If a person can't afford to go to the docs and ends up in the emergency room, who should pay for it? Cause right now you and I do! Through out taxes. I am just tired of hearing about how Obamacare is so bad, when it is so way beyond bad right now it is ridiculous. I am all for making money, but not on the sick and dying. Again, no need for PHI companies.
@phillipmarch22 So you think by making the current HC upside is the solution? Have you studied socialized med of other countries? I did and it sucks! I dare you to study it and tell me how good socialized med is. As for the emergency rooms, people w/o HC insurance should pay it off the charge via IRS. If the IRS can track down people who don't pay their taxes, they can track medical freeloaders. If they're illegal aliens, report them to ICE and deport them. Simple.
While Congress was debating the HC issue, the head of the Canadian healthcare system was on C-Span. There were so many rumors flying around that he said he had to make an appearance. The Canadian system is FAR better than ours. I don't care if you call it socialized or not, I believe healthcare is a RIGHT, not a privalage. (sic) Con't
@phillipmarch22 thats why canadians wait longer than we do for medical care, which is horrible considering they have 1/9th of our population.
and how is this a right? did god say "let there be health insurance"? or maybe a blue cross agent evolved legs and crawled to land, or maybe the right to life liberty and health insurance was left out of the constitution.
explain how its justified and fair to force us into something we can't opt out of
@CobraStyleDevil You have incorrect information. There is rarely a wait in Canada. And if there is for something serious, the patient can go to the US and Canada pays for it. And I don't think God even wanted PH insurance companies. There should not be a profit made on the sick and dying. I am forced right now to buy car insurance. Why should my tax dollars pay for someone who doesn't have insurance and the show up at the ER? Cause that is what is happening now. Ridiculous!
@phillipmarch22 no i do not have incorrect information. go to wikipedia and look us us vs canadian health care. they will back me up.
what i think is funny is you are complaining about your tax dollars paying for the treatment of the uninsured, what do you the will happen if this doesnt get repealed? oh and btw your tax dollars DO NOT pay for that, the hospitals eat that cost.
@CobraStyleDevil The hospitals do not eat the cost. They get federal money. Check it out. Again, Canada or any other country would not trade their system for ours. The only way someone can defend our system is if they haven't been really sick yet, (with or without insurance.)
@phillipmarch22 receiving federal money for what exactly? billy walks in with a broken arm, gets fixed up and cant pay. they turn his debts over to collection agencies, who then try to collect. that doesnt sound like the feds are picking up the tab.
if canada likes waiting 6 weeks for an mri good for them, but this isnt canada.
@CobraStyleDevil I just had to come back and add one more thing. Do you realize that thousands of Americans find a lump or bump and are scared to go see a doctor because if it does turn out to be cancer, they can not afford treatment? My oldest brother had Blue Cross and they refused a brain scan. He was too proud to ask me and the rest of the family for money. What happened to him? He died of a stroke that could have been prevented. Too many Americans have the "It won't happen to me" mentality!
@phillipmarch22 If your brother was a citizen of UK or Canada, he would've died waiting for a brain scan. Pets have better access & prompt to medical care than humans in those countries. I notice that the healthy middle-aged adults in Canada or UK say that their HC is good. You know why? Socialized HC don't care about the seriously ill & the sick elderly. They focus on spending on the healthy not the sick. Ask any seriously ill or sick elderly person about the HC in UK or Canada. It sucks!
@hoorano You are believing the propaganda! There is hardly EVER a wait in Canada. I have relatives there. Turn off the TV and do some research. The Canadians wouldn't trade their system for ours for nothing! We are the laughing stock of the industrialized world in regard to the way we run healthcare here. Again, as long as their is profit in the sick and dying the more will get sick and die! ANYONE who thinks that our HC is A-OK is high!
@phillipmarch22 Anything free giving by the govt can easily taken away. Your relatives are probably healthy mid-aged people who don't need the critical life-saving drugs & treatment. Talk to the people who are in dire need for critical treatment or drugs. The critically ill, injured and elderly are the ones dying in socialized medicine. I've done my homework on UK's NHS & NICE and Canada's HC & I have read the HRs. The bills can be easily be converted to socialized medicine.
@phillipmarch22 man i dont want to make this personal, but if he could have asked the family and didnt because he was ashamed. it was his pride that killed him.
CobraStyleDevil No, he died of a stroke because his private health insurance company denied paying for a brain scan. Let's just pretend he didn't have a family. No, my brother is but one of thousands of people this happens too. The more likely thing to happen is a person doesn't have any insurance so they don't take care of a health problem when it is small and then when they arrive at the ER, your tax dollars and mine pay for it. If that is cool to you, you not smart enough to communicate with!
@phillipmarch22 he had a choice and he made it, one could have saved his life.
not to say i want people to die in the streets but why is it ok for the government to legislate morals? they want to tax me for healthcare so everyone can supposedly have it. then i get the privilege of paying for it again via my job. if i decide i dont want health insurance, not only will i still pay the tax but i get fined. please explain how this is fair.
@CobraStyleDevil You are paying for it now, what do you mean you will start getting taxed. You have been paying for it all your life. When a person shows up at the ER and can't pay, we ALL pay for it!
If there is anyone out there that thinks our HC system is ok doesn't know jack shit! As far as the VA, my parents both use it in S. Cal and prefer it over PH insurance. They were both in the Army and met in Korea. The VA system is different around the country!
@phillipmarch22 My mother stayed at the VA hospital in La Jolla, California and was very pleased with it. And she has been in regular hospitals too and she said they were equal. She also went to Long Beach, CA hospital and she said the La Jolla one was better but she received great care at both. Like I said, it depends on where you live. Wiki is where I got the hospital payment information. Go to Wikipedia and on the search line type in US healthcare system v. Canadian healthcare system. Wa-La.
@phillipmarch22~So all three Branches voted to attack Iraq because Bush was such a stupid genious that he convinced them to invade Iraq because daddy said so? Hmmm. Or maybe it was the evil puppeteer Tricky Dick Cheyne wanted to pump his stock in Haliburton? Hmmmmm. Maybe the answer to all of this was hidden in Sandy Burgers pants? Hmmmm. Thank god we have a real president like Barry Hussein Obama to bail us out of this mess. The great thing about being independent is that I know both sides suck
@USAFORMERUSMC Well, for starters, the Justice Department had nothing to do with the Iraq war. And YES, he straight out, full on lied. bustard said there were WMD's when all the intelligence wasn't even in yet. To top it off, just because a country has WMD's doesn't mean we attack them. We might as well sent an invitation to every country to attack us if they think we have WMD's. bushtard also told Congress that Iraq was involved in 9/11. He played on the anger and fear of the American people!
@phillipmarch22 ~"Well, for starters, the Justice Department had nothing to do with the Iraq war. And YES, he straight out, full on lied. bustard said there were WMD's when all the intelligence wasn't even in yet."
I'm still waiting for the Dems to File Charges.......Waiting........waiting.........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
@USAFORMERUSMC There is some truth to what you say. I am still waiting for criminal charges to be brought up for bush/cheney and members of the Justice Department. Regarding cheney, I think he is in so much trouble with Hailiburton and has bad heart problems, they are giving him a pass. Don't think that it is a dead issue though, I think in time charges will be brought up against them. I am very disappointed in the Dems for not taking swift action. But don't confuse that with ignorance.
@USAFORMERUSMC There is some truth to what you say. I am still waiting for criminal charges to be brought up for bush/cheney and members of the Justice Department. Regarding cheney, I think he is in so much trouble with Hailiburton and has bad heart problems, they are giving him a pass. Don't think that it is a dead issue though, I think in time charges will be brought up against them. I am very disappointed in the Dems for not taking swift action. But don't confuse that with ignorance.
@phillipmarch22 ~Dont waste your time waiting for the Dems to prosecute because it wont happen. If the case had any teeth, they would have done it by now. The same goes for "Sandy (Are those documents in your pants or are you glad to see me) Burger". Why would the Reps drop charges on him? The act itself was a stand alone crime. If you are as intelligent as you think you are, you shoud drop the Koolaid, and forget about the R&D. The government souldnt tell you what to Eat, Smoke, Fuck, Drink etc
Looking back in history, charges were brought against leaders way after the crimes were committed. You would be surprised what the Justice Department is up too and like any criminal case, they gather all the facts before going to court. People have been charged with war crimes long after those crimes were committed.
I have yet to hear about any legislation that tells me when to eat, smoke, fuck, and drink. Let me know when the eating/smoking/fucking/drinking police arrive at your door.
@phillipmarch22 ~They have been more than just knocking, you just cant hear it. IE: No Smoking in the city or Private Property in Calabasas CA. that includes medical Cannibus, Proposition 8, Tighter Restrictions on Fast Food Consumption in Northern California. No Fireworks on the 4th of July, No Real Xmas trees allowed in homes due to Fire hazard, Motorcycle helmet laws, etc. What should be common sense is now written as law because the govt wants to tax & control you. Conspiracy Oooooooooooh!
People voted for these state laws, nothing to do with the Federal Government. I live in San Clemente, CA and we can have real Christmas trees. My son-in-law smokes medical cannibus in his bedroom, no law against that. Prop 8 is about to be overturned in the CA Supreme Court and if it doesn't it will be in the US Supreme Court. Violates the 14th amendment big time. Helmet laws, seatbelt laws, no one should object to that. To many lawsuits of neighbors houses burning down cause of fireworks. con't
phillipmarch~Okay? I saw that partisan video that states all of the worlds woes could have been solved by the money spent on the war. If that were a real possibility, couldnt those same acts been accomplished by all other administrations as well? The video negates the 9/11 incident comparing death by firearms, and you see no distinction between the two? The mass murder of 3000 Americans by a single planned act of Terror, should NOT be avenged, but send 1000 condoms to every human human instead?
@USAFORMERUSMC Wait, I stand corrected! The Justice Department did have something to do with the war. In secrecy they approved torture violating 3 Geneva Convention Laws and1 US Law, (Jon Woo, Bisby.) bush/cheney are war criminals and mass murderers. If you don't believe me, keep an eye out for bush/cheny's travel. I guarantee you they won't leave this country!
@phillipmarch22 ~You speculate on half truths and conspiracy's to formulate what you want to believe. You are no differnent from the Right wingers hell bent on challenging Obama's citizenship. If you were correct on all you proffess, Cheyne, Bush, Rove and others would be behind bars. They impeach a President for lying about a blow job, Jail an Rep Advisor for not remebering the Plame incident, yet the evil Top 3 Reps get off scott free? The Dems have to be a part of that conspiracy as well!
@phillipmarch22 Where in the US Constitution states that HC is a right? In Canada, it's illegal to pay for a treatment even if you can afford it. That is why people from Canada, UK, & other countries come here for treatment that is available. They also come the US for treatment because what is common here is unavailable there. These socialized countries scrimp on spending for critical drugs & treatment. Like how Obama prefers to give the elderly painkillers instead of getting treatment.
@hoorano Who said healthcare had to be in the Constitution? So, you are saying if you don't have the money for medical treatment you should die? Oh, and as for Canadians coming to the US, the number is very few. And if a Canadian does come here, the Canadian government pays for it by using the taxes the citizens pay. That is how I want MY tax dollars spent. You have not read the bill, there is nothing in there that says Obama wants to give the elderly pain killers. Sounds like your addicted!
@phillipmarch22 I'd rather go broke (which I am) & get treatment from a private HC facility. BTW, I'm military & I know the horrors of the Tricare MTF. Ask Jane Sturm what Obama said to her about her 90 yrs-old mother. In fact check out the video on YouTube. Punch in Jane Sturm in the search engine & you'll see what Obama said about pain killers. Nov 2, 2010, the people has spoken: defund Obamacare. Let it sit idle and the next conservative US president sign the bill to stop socialized medicine.
If you think that whether you live or die, especially in this economy has to do with how much money is in your account, that is so sick it shocks me that anyone would feel that way. We might as well go back to the cave man days. Again, the way our HC system is set up is totally failing. Anyone who disagrees with that has not been really sick. We pay way too much in taxes not to have universal healthcare while we piss billions on needless shit. All industrialized countries laugh at us!
@phillipmarch22 BTW, the pursuit for happiness (legally becoming rich or attaining a career goal) is a constitutional right. Since when becoming wealthy is a sin? Why don't you work hard in becoming rich and help the economy. Taxing holds back expansion of business. When the corporations succeed, USA succeeds. When more people work under the corporations, the tax revenue rises (ECON 201). Here's the truth: If rich get poorer. the poor get enslaved by govt handouts, not richer.
Man this guy just wants to take from us who work and spend it on the shitheads who refuse to. I would call him a useless cocksucker but that would not offend him since it is true. Maybe I can hire a good looking (female) hooker to sit on his face. That would really freak him out since he likely has not seen a woman's snatch since the day he was born.
@USAFORMERUSMC Semper Fi buddy, I agree with you.. However, I doubt he is a rich as he was when his boyfriend was running the gay escort service out o their shared apartment. Remember that? Of course, Barney had no idea anything was going on.
If you are stupid enough to believe you can tax a person smart enough to create Wealth & Jobs, without passing those costs down the line, you deserve to be poor. Villifying the rich is as old as Robin Hood. The Left does a great job at blaming those who sign your pay-check. How much money has Barney Frank contributed to the poor and homeless? He and Chris Dodd are to blame for the Financial crisis. Kick that dumb fuck out on his fat ass!
It absolutely sickening how obvious the Republicans are about the fact that they openly do not give a single sh*t about working Americans. They are truely the far more dangerous enemy of the working class, of the two ruling corporate parties.
Such a large number of Americans talk about "voting for change", but simply switch back and forth between Dem & GOP....
Do you really want to send a message and use your vote to change the 'status quo' at the ballet box?
good old Barney Frank, against Bank regulation before he was for it.
Tell me why is that we don't have enough tax dollars to pay down debt or pay for public services but there is ALWAYS enough for federal workers to receive pay raises.
Barney [ Freddie & Fanny are fine ] Frank says recover some of this money? He says that like the money is his to begin with. This clown is a criminal. He needs to take the majority of the blame for the recession. What's wrong with the people in his district? Have they no shame ?
Here he is America the very best that Massachusetts can offer the federal government, there is no one in that state that could better represent the values and integrity of the people of Massachusetts, he is their choice to show all of America that this is the very best that Massachusetts has to offer
@aaasssfffdddiii Reagan also raised taxes numerous times (and still presided over massive deficits). But the larger point is that it's misleading to imply a causality. Bush Jr cut taxes, and job creation over his term was pathetic. Clinton raised taxes and presided over a massive jobs boom. With that in mind, you cannot say that raising taxes on the extremely wealthy would lead to job losses.
@collingsm No, you're wrong. George Bush saw 52 consecutive jobs of job growth after his 2003 tax cuts. He also had an average unemployment rate of 5.3%. Reagan raised taxes.... Not true. He got rid of tax loophopoles and credits, he reduced tax expenditures. The important thing is that he cut the top income tax rate from 70% to 28%. Kennedy did the same thing. We saw saw major job growth then too. The facts are not in your favor.
@aaasssfffdddiii It's cute to see you try. Have a read of that communist rag the Wall Street Journal's article comparing Bush's appalling jobs record with other presidents. Just to keep things simple for you, it helpfully states "Bush on Jobs: The Worst Track Record on Record."
As for Reagan, you are correct that he cut taxes. But you're forgetting the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act 1982 - the largest peacetime tax rise in history. He raised taxes every year 1981-87
@collingsm You obviously did not read my last comment. I did not forget the TEFRA. I did say that it was not a real tax increase. It did nothing to increase tax rates. it simply got rid of tax credits, deductions, and loopholes. I do no consider this a tax increase. Even if you do consider that a tax increase, it is the least economically harmful kind.
@aaasssfffdddiii Lol. Just because you don't consider a tax increase a tax increase doesn't mean it's not a tax increase. Incidentally, what was the Deficit Reduction Act of 1984?
Btw, I'm glad you've realised you can't defend Bush's jobs record, as well as the idea of a causal relationship between personal income tax rates and employment.
@collingsm Actually, I can easily defend Bush's record. An averaqe unemployment rate of 5.3%. A record 52 months of job growth. Wow, TERIIBLE Record!!!. LOL.... Tax cuts always create jobs. There has never been a tax cut that hasnt
@aaasssfffdddiii Rather than look at 52 months of Bush's time as president, you'd do well to look at his entire record (as opposed to cherry picking the period you want). As the WSJ stated, his record on jobs is the worst on record. I'm sorry the facts don't agree with you.
As for tax cuts always creating jobs, it's a pity that reality will shatter your bizarre fantasy. I presume you're smart enough to figure out that different types of tax cuts work differently - and some don't work at all.
@collingsm 5.3% is his entire record. The 52 months came after his 2003 tax cuts. That is no coincidence. Your right that not all tax cuts create jobs. Tax rebates and credits don't do much to help the economy. However, accross the board rate cuts, like the ones Kennedy, Reagan, and Bush implemented, are the best way to spark growth in the economy.
@aaasssfffdddiii Lol - you have a marvellous career ahead of you as a GOP shill, given your ability to deny reality as it stares you in the face. Bush's record in jobs growth is the worst on record. His term ended with an economic catastrophe that he had nearly 8 years to prevent, and failed.
If there is a perfect correlation between tax cuts and job growth, how did Clinton manage such incredible job growth after raising taxes in 1993?
@collingsm Well, the fact is that Bush had a natural disaster, a terrorist attack, and a financial crisis. We are talking about tax cuts not George Bush. After the tax cuts, we saw 52 consecutive months of job growth. As soon as the tax cuts were enacted the economy started growing quickly.
@aaasssfffdddiii Well, not to get off topic, but he did ignore warnings about the terrorist attack and facilitated the financial crisis. But to get back to the point you're trying to argue, in both your responses you're still cherrypicking. Bush's record on job growth, deficits and economic growth were pathetic. In terms of growth per quarter, he's barely over half of what Clinton achieved. Growth was the slowest since WW2.
@collingsm Growth was the slowests since WW2. Not quite... Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower (who had a 91% top tax rate during his term, and George HW Bush (who raised tax rates) all has slower Growth than GW Bush. Clinton did raise taxes, but the economy did not grow quickly until A.) The tech boom and B.) The capital gains tax cut in 1997. Well, I guess all the facts are on my side. This comment pretty much disproved everything you have said. How does it feel to have all ur ideas disproven?
@aaasssfffdddiii I'm beginning to think you don't know what `fact' means. But I'm glad to see that you've realised you undermined your whole point, given your acknowledgement that Clinton's tax rises didn't prevent employment or growth.
As for Bush, economic growth from 2001 through the third quarter of 2010 averaged 1.66%, and even during his `good' years (01-05), it was a measley 2.39% By comparison, the early 60s were around 5% and the late 70s with all that malaise was around 3.3%.
@aaasssfffdddiii Heavens, you're entertaining. So you can't defend him over his shocking record on economic growth or jobs? You can't continue to falsely suggest there's a causal relationship between tax cuts and growth so you introduce a straw man in the shape of Europe?
No, the third quarter of 2010 is not Bush. But I hoped you were capable counting that 2006-08 was Bush, making 3 years of the 5 for a set of figures that are clearly in 5-year blocks. Sorry to have overestimated you.
there's actually a group of millionaires/billionaires in Germany willing to pay a super high tax in order to pay for environmental, social issues, etc. if they do, there will be virtually no jobs lost, no one in poverty, etc.
and Germany is 100% capitalist.....willing to pay to eliminate poverty and other issues in your country, to fund a healthcare system that does not leave anyone behind does not equal communism.
@THEGLASSOFMILK2 Well, people do leave when taxes get too high. Germany has rich people. But America has many more, even adjusted for their population size. The free market is better at solving those problems than government.
Don't try to muddle the facts with 9/11, Katrina, or any other bullshit. Clinton warned bush about 9/11 and bush did nothing. During Clinton's term we had Osama bin Laden in bombing range, but Clinton's advisors said too many civilians would die. When Clinton left office he told bush al-Qaeda was our biggest threat and bush shined it on! As for Katrina, I could write a book on how he fucked that up. Which leaves the economy. If bush paid attention to domestic issues, we wouldn't be in the CF.
@phillipmarch22 Actually, the bad economy is Obamas fault. He has been in office for two years now. And Clinton did not warn Bush about 9/11. What is this, a conspiracy????
RICH PEOPLE ARE NOT FORCED TO PAY JUSTIFIABLY HIGHER TAX BECAUSE THEY KILL! THEY PERSONALLY INTIMIDATE WHOEVER IS PUSHING THEM TO BE FAIR WITH THREATS OF HARM-SPECIFICALLY MURDER!!!
DeepSetEyesDance 2 weeks ago
Let's start by taxing this multimillionaire jerk.
tomperanteau 1 month ago
There's 3 ways you can get rich:
1: lucking out in life (playing basketball, winning the lotto, or having rich parents)
2: bring others down (lawyers and stock market gamblers)
3: bringing others up (making businesses and new products)
Tax the first 2 all you want, but if you tax the 3rd you're shooting yourself in the foot.
cdoftx 1 month ago
@cdoftx Most of the rich are the first two since consider that "small business activity" includes finders fees, legal services, accounting services even if it is one large firm paying another
Meade556 1 month ago
hang that fagget in publik along with pelosi
hunter40447 1 month ago
What the hell was Massachusetts thinking putting Elmer Fudd's homosexual cousin in office.
RadarGuidedVermin 2 months ago 3
Most rich people that i read about in the papers are crooks in some way shape
or form they should tax them heavily. I do not feel sorry for greedy rich
miserable people.
TheDegree777 3 months ago
Barney fuckin franks I bet he doesn't pay shit on his taxes---we have filled DC with the scum of the earth....
not8upwthit 3 months ago
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This faggot is a pedophile. If you voted for this piece of shit I hope you die a slow and painful death.
ARBuilder1776 3 months ago
barney frank is a freaken idiot
he gives a bad name to liberals and democrats
he needs to quit
MrBigEnchilada 4 months ago
tax the rich -tax the rich !!!!!
9puertorico 4 months ago
It's to bad some less affluent people had dreams of just being alive. Instead they gave up their lives for your freedom and your country. I'd be happy if 5,000 and few wealthy people would give up sumthin' for their country as well.
This country belongs to the rich as well.
No arguments. Time to fight for it.
There's a guy or gal out there right this minute with a missing limb. They gave that up for their country.
wewordsson 4 months ago
They can tax the rich, but the money will not even make a scratch in the nearly 15 trill black hole of debt....I think we are now up to every man, women and child in the US now owes 52,000 in taxes...... One trill, if you could spend 750,000 in a 24 hour period, every day for 4000 years, that is around 1 trill...It would take roughly 60,000 years at 750,000 per day to get nearly 15 trill.....
avionicswirenut 5 months ago
imagine you are in school with a 4.0 GPA which is a job well done for hard hours studying. Now imagine there is another student with a 2.0 that is struggling. Teacher informs you that 1.0 of your GPA is being taken away from you to help the stuggling student. This will give both a even 3.0 GPA ...does that sound fair for all your hard work? Welcome to the republican party.
candykane10 5 months ago
@candykane10 Well said!
zachfresh 4 months ago
he needs to swim with the fishes.
Obamaluke 6 months ago
Good idea. Put the taxes on the rich back to what they were under Clinton - when there was economic prosperity - before President Bozo the Clown came in and cut them because he followed the failed Ronald Reagan economic thinking.
Genius14928 6 months ago
@Genius14928 It could also reduce spending for products and inadequate supply of wealth to support there enterprise imagine if we would of tax IBM or Apple in 1970s this would halt technical development in the industry during the Bush administration the Corporate tax was as high as in the year 1980.
n64wilbert 6 months ago
How is what Barney is advocating not theft? Rich people have money so he's just going to take it. How very thug like.
doczuess 6 months ago 6
I love Barney
He loves me
We're gonna slap a tax
On the Tea Party!
MrStarstruck404 2 months ago
@doczuess Well the rich pay less into the Treasury now as a percentage of their incomes than they did it 1955, saying "let's increase their taxes" is not thuggery especially when they pay 23% now and 55% then.
Meade556 1 month ago
@Meade556 How could you possibly know what people paid in 1955? Politicians use statistics like drunks use lamp posts, for support rather than illumination.. Go ahead tax the rich on income they already paid taxes on and legally earned.. Watch them vote with their feet till there are no more rich and Then who are you going to steal from? Thug
doczuess 1 month ago
@doczuess Let me see IRS data, Bloomberg News, Ben Stein, I could go on. And Clinton raised taxes, Reagan, after 1983 raised taxes, the rich did not leave and since there are entrenched and very wealthy and successful elites elsewhere, they would find it more difficult to be rich elsewhere, instead of simply paying higher taxes here, so weak bluff
Meade556 1 month ago
@doczuess Poor people don't have any money and your government wants to take more of it. Perspective is nice.
America is a disgusting nation. As a Brit I thoroughly regret my ancestors giving birth to you.
ShadowxBoi 2 days ago
idiot...Obama is a one termer..period
mgallant01 6 months ago
Tax the rich .....
9puertorico 6 months ago
2008: Deficit fear take a second seat
2011: Risk of government shutdown because of the debt ceiling.
Good job Barney... now go back to your kid's show. I'm just being Frank with you.
Fordtrucksown 7 months ago 5
@Fordtrucksown Risk of govt. shutdown because of debt ceiling isnt a new concept, its happen alot. Like over 100 times, and ten of those times being the last ten years. But, you bring up a great point, nothing but spending has not done anything for our deficit crisis, its put our economy on life support with decent odds of recover, but the deficit needs to be addressed before that can happen. Spending and tax increase should be used.
BTW: WHY THE FUK DO YOU WANT THIS GUY AROUND CHILDREN!!!!
xinecallaw 6 months ago
@Fordtrucksown CORRECTION FOR LAST POST I meant Spending CUTS and tax increase should be used. Damn this 500 character limit. Spending CUTS, to include entitlement programs and tax increases, start with companies killing jobs in the US and sending them overseas (just implement the changes slowly to allow time to adjust).
xinecallaw 6 months ago
@xinecallaw
Jobs will go out of country as long as the USA has the highest business taxes and regulations of anywhere on the globe. Decreasing taxes and regulations increases revenue to the government as more businesses are born and grow. The pie is not static when a government does not destroy enterprise and creativity. Laffer curve.
Obamaluke 6 months ago
by rich people he means the middle class... and give it to the mega corporations
MrShane737 7 months ago
Bawny has been rear-ended a couple thousand times too many.
mindsaglowin 7 months ago
/watch?v=t_JyVUdSbJ0
CaRTMan191919 7 months ago
This argument of rich vs poor is only used by democrat do gooders whose programs do nothing but keep poor people poor & enriches the people in gov't, the trial lawyers, union bosses & hollywood liberals. Witness the policies that Democrats have inflicted on their core constituencies, resulting in vile schools, lawless slums, economic stagnation, and social immobility. Democrats will do anything to make sure that Democratic voters stay helpless and hopeless enough to vote for Democrats.
BlackRepublican2010 7 months ago
Democrat thought process ... We need something to float on the water. The big rock that we spent billions on didn't work. Obviously we need to spend more for a bigger rock next time.
rstryker27 7 months ago
that bastard Barney Fag ran a whorehouse for boys a few years back. He should be in jail for that alone. He also was behind the bailout for the banks. He will not say how much money he got unedr the table. He likes to get under the table with his mouth open.
graverobber35 8 months ago
Barney Frank is a disgrace. His idea of an economic recover is 1.8 percent growth foreclosures are running rampant in his own district but bad he is too buy getting high to notice the problem
rvincent2002 8 months ago
Good idea!! GE pay Zero taxes, just like Bank of America and others. Corporations must pay their taxes because they make billions in income, And the word income tax is for that for taxing corporations and the people that made millions in income just like any average Joe that made 30,000/year working at a mall.
mbmart2005 8 months ago
@mbmart2005 The sad part is that those corporations are rich enough to buy their own house, senaste and presidential candidates. They'll never get their taxed as much as they need to be in order fo the US to keep a social and environmental balance.
ladulaser 8 months ago
@ladulaser Yes, I think you are right. But we need to maintain a mentality of hope and change. Corporations are needed in any country but in these country they have manage to obtain too much power.
mbmart2005 8 months ago
Barney always has a mouth full of cum.
A1B1C198 8 months ago
Don't you get it you fat faggot?! the more you tax the rich and the higher you raise the minimum wage, the more unemployment there is!
jtizz711 8 months ago
@jtizz711 Well, the less you pay the more wage slavery there is. So... Slavery is better than unemployment, and those are the only two choices? Is that what you're saying? I'ld sat evenly distributed purchasing power increases demand and therefor employment.
ladulaser 8 months ago
@ladulaser no, wage should be based upon skill. if you have to pay a person a large wage who has no skill then a small business would be impossible to compete with anyone. This leads to unemployment. The government is obsessed with jobs, yet all they do create ways to destroy small private businesses...and they know it too. Big companies lobby all the time for minimum wages. Wonder why? Its not slavery, you twit
jtizz711 8 months ago
@jtizz711 On skill? So you'ld have tables for how much a person with - for example - a bachelor's degree in a subject relevant to his/her work, would earn after 1,3 and 5 years of employment? Small private business owners are no saints, they are part of the employer organizations that work to pass legislation against labor unions and taxes. I guess what you're trying to say is that more competition leads to less unemployment?
ladulaser 8 months ago
@ladulaser uhh no you just took one thing and said it leads to another without saying why it possibly would. so your saying you like cheese??... see i can do it too. you kind of argue like a fox news anchor
jtizz711 8 months ago
@jtizz711 Ok, let me rephrase the question: How do you evaluate someones skill level at a workplace in an objective way, and adjust their salary accordingly? Btw, yeah, cheese is pretty good. Only thing keeping me from upgrading my lacto-vegetarianism to full vegetarianism :)
ladulaser 8 months ago
@ladulaser it is based upon the value of what they do well for the said company. A man who only has the mental capacity to twist on a top on a bottle in a factory shouldn't be forced to be paid a high wage. It forces companies to leave the country. Then we complain about how there is no jobs and so the federal government forces more socialistic bills that makes more and more companies leave. Its like if the government was a doctor, they would cure cancer by injecting a person with plutonium.
jtizz711 8 months ago
@jtizz711 Nobody's forcing anyone. Companies just see the opportunity for bigger profits abroad, and proceed to move production to countries with weak labor rights, none to little environmental regulation, and lenient workplace safety inspectors. Now I don't blame them for wanting to stay in competition, but can't we at least agree that this behaviour shows that there's something fundamentaly wrong with the rules by which the money making game is played?
ladulaser 8 months ago
Alright Frankie poo, if you believe that so much, then lets see YOU empty 1/2 of your bank account to help the problem... come on.. go ahead.. we're waiting.
lambstw 8 months ago
Why should the rich pay for your spending .What about these endless wars .Stop the wars .Stop supporting abortion.Vote for anyone that has morals.This person is not it.
2010mousehunt 9 months ago
Comrade Frank has spoken.
Dealit707 9 months ago
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bubbiz99 9 months ago
Barney Frank: "well gee, my njnjnd kkdj ekcl kod cant asssist the planning of dis Bill."
Nashhinton 9 months ago
"Oh, I know how fo fix this. those fat cats have plenty of money we can tax and reglate well. immediate increase in spending! We can't have have deficit fears, that's outragous, we can tax the people later. Give me the, idiot, I'll fix this"
victoriahousetube 10 months ago
The fruitiest looter-thief of all time.
jaybreak 10 months ago
"So basically, I have no qualms with forcing other people than myself to pay insane tax increases so I can support more reasonable billion-dollar spending that leads to more job loss."
LtSurge659 10 months ago
It's the liberal FRED FLINTSTONE everyone!!!
DEEZNUTZCORE 11 months ago
@DEEZNUTZCORE Hahahahaha thank you, that made my day
Bmarch08 10 months ago
People like me on the LEFT: look into classical liberalism, it makes more since than this neo-socialism we have been tricked into defending.
y2zgt 1 year ago
woah.... what a creative and well thought plan to cut the budget! I mean, it's not like people work to make that money, why dont we just tax it away?
if you can't sense my sarcasm ur more dumb than Barney himself
chadortom 1 year ago
steal from the rich so he can give to the rich makes alot of sence more bailouts 4 all
that are in the club
dan32749 1 year ago
The average nominal corporate tax rate in the European Union is around 25 percent (flat). The Scandinavians and the Dutch have the lowest rates in Western Europe. Once Japan cuts it by 5 points (announced a few weeks ago; even if their debt climbs to 200 percent) the US corporate tax rate will be the world's highest
xaviqaz 1 year ago
What about deep cuts in military spending to balance the budget? What about a more conservative and sound monetary policy? Saying that tax cuts for "rich" don't work, because of what happened in late 1920s and 2000s, is a fallacy. Before 1913 there was no federal income tax, and America experienced the quickest industrial growth in history. Anyway, in Switzerland the maximum marginal tax rate at the federal level is 11.5 percent, and the country works wonderfully
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mastior 1 year ago
Driving is considered a privlege. If You can't afford car insurance, you shouldnt drive. Thats what puplic transportation is for. The government should not be forcing private enterprise on U.S. citizens. Fair enough?
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
They wont tax the same ultra wealthy bankers and wall street people who screwed us. They are out to go after the middle class like always in order to try to destroy the finances of the people who are the real backbone of this country and create most of the new businesses and jobs. Besides, why would we want to punish the rich just for being rich. Wealth and abundance are wonderful things. We should seek to punish the dishonest and the unjust and should not pick on people as if wealth is a crime.
heartfire451 1 year ago
The United States spends much more money on health care than Canada, on both a per-capita basis and as a percentage of GDP - Wiki
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 And of course it delivers a far weaker healthcare system. It's a pity and terrible policy.
collingsm 1 year ago
This about covers it!
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
I miss when Bugs Bunny used to mess with this guy.
Excalibur1201 1 year ago
The actual tax rates for super riches are laughable. In Europe you got much higher taxes and the richs are still not going poor any time soon ^^^.
I really don't understand these American hysteria.
r8qt7 1 year ago
jusus loves rich people, it says it in the bible
trapp313 1 year ago
Look at all the rich people in the government, most of the illegal czar most of which are tax criminals. If people want to redistribute wealth we should start with them, but their plan will send it all to them.
daddyg321 1 year ago
@daddyg321 Illegal czar?
collingsm 1 year ago
The weak corporations are going to shut down because of the cut in profits causing shortage of employment & lowering tax revenue. The strong corporation will form oligopolies & raise the price of goods & services causing inflation. Rising of cost of running a business in the US will cause the companies to produce goods in other countries. Labor will be lost to 3rd world countries. This spiral will continue causing congress to raise taxes on the middle class. Raising taxes will ruin the economy.
hoorano 1 year ago
@hoorano Good point. We have to make to so it is not lucrative to have our manufacturing done overseas. We just got done with an 8 year "trickle down" economy experiment and look what that got us. Every time I hear that the big corporations need to pay less taxes in order to hire more people is a crock of shit. Demand and a good product is what will lower unemployment. Ask any CEO if he would cut his pay by 1/3 to hire more people and they would say, "Hell no!"
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 I think you missed my point. In my last sentence I said, "Raising taxes will RUIN the economy." I'm pro-business and profit is necessary for our economy to thrive. Question: After the tax reduction bill was passed in 2001, what happen to the economy? Did it get worst? No, it saved the economy after the Al Qaeda attacked the WTC. Raising taxes won't create or save any jobs. CEO needs to be paid to manage profits or s/he will move to greener pastures.
hoorano 1 year ago
@hoorano If my memory serves me right, the economy went south right after 9/11. bin Laden got his wish! We get attacked by an extremist group out of Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, and what do we do? Attack Iraq for NO reason. Good God man, it is embarrassing. And that war will end up costing us $3 TRILLION. It makes me feel like I am from another planet. For sure!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 Military spending avg. was 4% (& rising today) of GDP throughout Bush's term. Is that what you call bankrupt? BTW we won the war in Iraq. Unemployment avg. 7.5% (now 9.8%). Want to see expensive? Medicare 16.8% of GDP & rising. Projection of Obamacare 20% vs 15.5% of GDP w/o Obamacare. Source: census, CBO & cms(dot)gov. I feel like moving to another planet with these kind figures. BTW most of GDP is by corporate profits via taxes. > profit = > tax revenue = > GDP (ECON 101)
hoorano 1 year ago
In 2008 we spent $663,255,000,000 in military spending. I don't go by GDP because so many different costs are associated by different countries GDP. We spent more on the MIC than the next 37 industrialized countries combined. Fucking ridiculous! Won in Iraq? WTF did we win? That is the stupidest statement I ever heard. Iraq was never a threat to the US. Jr. bush wanted to impress daddy bush and that is the ONLY reason we invaded Iraq. Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 We are at war w/ terrorism, right? Of course military spending is up. Objectives in Iraq were accomplished: surge successful, no Saddam, independently ruled, relatively stable, no Al Quaeda training camps, etc. GDP is the income that was produced by. . . you guessed it. . . corporate profits! If you you have a checkbook, income is included, right? As for WMD, Saddam fooled Iran & US in conducting activities to pretend that he had WMD. The US won't admit being fooled.
hoorano 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 ~ Your Memory serves the left only. We attacked Iraq because they were a hostile nation that posed a threat to their neighbors and the US. They committed 13 aggressive flyovers, Committed Genocide on a targeted segment of their own people. Committed Rape, Murder, False Incarceration, Ethnic cleansing, and attempted to assasinate our President. We went after the Nazi's for a hell of alot less! Maybe it would be a less costly venture if Clinton did his Job in the 1st place!
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
USMC I am sorry, but your memory is wrong. Iraq hostile? What were they gonna do, throw rocks at us? They had NOTHING to do with 9.11, did NOT have WMD's, which in itself is not a reason to attack. A country goes to war when another country is an immediate threat to us. Then, we implement the draft so the rich little boys and girls can die right along side the poor ones. As for Iraq's internal problems, that is what revolutions are for. We might as well of attacked Iceland. Ridiculous!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
Phill~My Memory? So you are saying that all that I mentioned didnt happen in Iraq before we struck? You compare Iraq to Iceland? I'm not a Rep, but what frosts me about the extremists is that they twist or ignor the facts to suit their agenda. What could Bush do in the 4months in office, that clinton couldnt do in 8 years? You also leave out the post 9/11 mentality that propagated the anger from all sides of the political spectrum. Lastly, No Soldier or Marine wants to fight next to a Draftee.
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
@USAFORMERUSMC But don't get me wrong, I am for a strong military and by the looks of your YouTube name, you are a Marine. If so, God Bless you for your service. My parents were both in the Army and met in Korea. They both were against Vietnam and Iraq. bush jr. lied to Congress and the American people about Iraq. More of our troops died then the amount of civilians we lost on 9.11 not to mention the millions of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. Con't.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
And you are right about one thing, Clinton should have been more aggressive in regard to al-Qaeda. We had bin Laden in our gun sites twice, and Clinton's advisors said no, too many civilians would die. When Clinton left the White House he told bush jr. that al-Qaeda was our biggest threat and that something would happen. Shame on Clinton, but shame on bush jr. for not doing anything about al-Qaeda, then invading a country to impress Daddy. Fucking stupid mass murderer and war criminal.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
As for Obamacare, the bill didn't go far enough. The only way our system will work is when the profit is eliminated I hope my 5 year old Grandson will have to look in a history book to find out what a private health insurance company WAS. My oldest brother DIED because of our healthcare system. He needed a brain scan and the PHI company denied his claim and he was too proud to ask the family for money. If anyone out there thinks our healthcare system is ok iS too stupid to even talk to!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 I'm sorry to hear about your son. You think the govt can do better than the private HC? How funny that Rep. Earl Blumenauer of OR (D) (pro-assisted suicide) and Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV of WV (D), had urged the administration to cover end-of-life planning as a service offered under the Medicare wellness benefit. Your family can be covered, but the govt can deny treatment because of cost, something that the death panels can determine. This is true w/ all govt sponsored HC.
hoorano 1 year ago
Yes, the government does FAR better than the private health insurance system.. Medicare is a good example. I have had to fight Blue Cross on numerous occasions. Our VA system is also excellent. Both my parents used it and loved it. Assisted suicide? NOTHING in the original bill or the current bill EVER had anything to do with assisted suicide. What it was is that a doctor would get paid to explain end of life care. Yep, you are so very typical of a Faux News junkie. Have you read the bill?
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 I have military friends who served in Iraq & Afghanistan & receiving VA help. It sucks. They transferred the services to private HC & it's a whole lot faster & better quality. Before the HR 3962 & 4872 were passed, provisions for doctors to deny treatment because of cost &or lack of quality longevity was in there. It was taken out when "death panels" were addressed by Palin. Obama wants it back in (quietly w/o publicity) as an added on regulation. We can't trust the current govt.
hoorano 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 Medicare is unsustainable. C'mon. 20% of GDP in the next 20 years? The program itself is help, but it's too big of a handout. I know people on Medicare and I wish them continuous treatment. I don't know how, but an abatement program to get off of Medicare is needed. Better planning & pre-investing into a health saving account can help. If people can raise their own retirement via 401K or IRA, they can raise $ to fund their own HC. It takes good planning.
hoorano 1 year ago
@hoorano Well, my parents both go to the VA clinic and hospitals in Southern California and it is WAY better than Blue Cross. They know. They both got off the VA system and entered the PH insurance arena. No comparison, the VA system is WAY better. They had to fight Blue Cross every step of the way. As for health care, do you think that there should be health insurance companies? Cause they are the problem. No matter if you have a 401 K or not. And if you can't afford it, should you die?
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 What about you? Aren't you afraid Medicare is going to get cut as of January 2011 via Obamacare & SRS? Tricare premiums are going up next year. Can your parents afford it? Cal has become a nanny state. The private corporations (except for the political contributors) are being squelched by the high taxes & regulations. It's the individuals' responsibility planning properly for the latter years of their lives. I prefer to control my destiny rather than leaving it up the govt.
hoorano 1 year ago
You assume a lot. I am 40 and retired. Worked my way to the top and won't ever have to worry about money. You didn't answer my question. If a person can't afford to go to the docs and ends up in the emergency room, who should pay for it? Cause right now you and I do! Through out taxes. I am just tired of hearing about how Obamacare is so bad, when it is so way beyond bad right now it is ridiculous. I am all for making money, but not on the sick and dying. Again, no need for PHI companies.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 So you think by making the current HC upside is the solution? Have you studied socialized med of other countries? I did and it sucks! I dare you to study it and tell me how good socialized med is. As for the emergency rooms, people w/o HC insurance should pay it off the charge via IRS. If the IRS can track down people who don't pay their taxes, they can track medical freeloaders. If they're illegal aliens, report them to ICE and deport them. Simple.
hoorano 1 year ago
While Congress was debating the HC issue, the head of the Canadian healthcare system was on C-Span. There were so many rumors flying around that he said he had to make an appearance. The Canadian system is FAR better than ours. I don't care if you call it socialized or not, I believe healthcare is a RIGHT, not a privalage. (sic) Con't
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 thats why canadians wait longer than we do for medical care, which is horrible considering they have 1/9th of our population.
and how is this a right? did god say "let there be health insurance"? or maybe a blue cross agent evolved legs and crawled to land, or maybe the right to life liberty and health insurance was left out of the constitution.
explain how its justified and fair to force us into something we can't opt out of
CobraStyleDevil 1 year ago
@CobraStyleDevil You have incorrect information. There is rarely a wait in Canada. And if there is for something serious, the patient can go to the US and Canada pays for it. And I don't think God even wanted PH insurance companies. There should not be a profit made on the sick and dying. I am forced right now to buy car insurance. Why should my tax dollars pay for someone who doesn't have insurance and the show up at the ER? Cause that is what is happening now. Ridiculous!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 no i do not have incorrect information. go to wikipedia and look us us vs canadian health care. they will back me up.
what i think is funny is you are complaining about your tax dollars paying for the treatment of the uninsured, what do you the will happen if this doesnt get repealed? oh and btw your tax dollars DO NOT pay for that, the hospitals eat that cost.
CobraStyleDevil 1 year ago
@CobraStyleDevil The hospitals do not eat the cost. They get federal money. Check it out. Again, Canada or any other country would not trade their system for ours. The only way someone can defend our system is if they haven't been really sick yet, (with or without insurance.)
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 receiving federal money for what exactly? billy walks in with a broken arm, gets fixed up and cant pay. they turn his debts over to collection agencies, who then try to collect. that doesnt sound like the feds are picking up the tab.
if canada likes waiting 6 weeks for an mri good for them, but this isnt canada.
CobraStyleDevil 1 year ago
@CobraStyleDevil 51% of hospital funding comes from the Federal Government. Google: Hospital funding! Come on you guys! Do some research!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@CobraStyleDevil I just had to come back and add one more thing. Do you realize that thousands of Americans find a lump or bump and are scared to go see a doctor because if it does turn out to be cancer, they can not afford treatment? My oldest brother had Blue Cross and they refused a brain scan. He was too proud to ask me and the rest of the family for money. What happened to him? He died of a stroke that could have been prevented. Too many Americans have the "It won't happen to me" mentality!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 If your brother was a citizen of UK or Canada, he would've died waiting for a brain scan. Pets have better access & prompt to medical care than humans in those countries. I notice that the healthy middle-aged adults in Canada or UK say that their HC is good. You know why? Socialized HC don't care about the seriously ill & the sick elderly. They focus on spending on the healthy not the sick. Ask any seriously ill or sick elderly person about the HC in UK or Canada. It sucks!
hoorano 1 year ago
@hoorano You are believing the propaganda! There is hardly EVER a wait in Canada. I have relatives there. Turn off the TV and do some research. The Canadians wouldn't trade their system for ours for nothing! We are the laughing stock of the industrialized world in regard to the way we run healthcare here. Again, as long as their is profit in the sick and dying the more will get sick and die! ANYONE who thinks that our HC is A-OK is high!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 Anything free giving by the govt can easily taken away. Your relatives are probably healthy mid-aged people who don't need the critical life-saving drugs & treatment. Talk to the people who are in dire need for critical treatment or drugs. The critically ill, injured and elderly are the ones dying in socialized medicine. I've done my homework on UK's NHS & NICE and Canada's HC & I have read the HRs. The bills can be easily be converted to socialized medicine.
hoorano 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 man i dont want to make this personal, but if he could have asked the family and didnt because he was ashamed. it was his pride that killed him.
CobraStyleDevil 1 year ago
CobraStyleDevil No, he died of a stroke because his private health insurance company denied paying for a brain scan. Let's just pretend he didn't have a family. No, my brother is but one of thousands of people this happens too. The more likely thing to happen is a person doesn't have any insurance so they don't take care of a health problem when it is small and then when they arrive at the ER, your tax dollars and mine pay for it. If that is cool to you, you not smart enough to communicate with!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 he had a choice and he made it, one could have saved his life.
not to say i want people to die in the streets but why is it ok for the government to legislate morals? they want to tax me for healthcare so everyone can supposedly have it. then i get the privilege of paying for it again via my job. if i decide i dont want health insurance, not only will i still pay the tax but i get fined. please explain how this is fair.
CobraStyleDevil 1 year ago
@CobraStyleDevil You are paying for it now, what do you mean you will start getting taxed. You have been paying for it all your life. When a person shows up at the ER and can't pay, we ALL pay for it!
If there is anyone out there that thinks our HC system is ok doesn't know jack shit! As far as the VA, my parents both use it in S. Cal and prefer it over PH insurance. They were both in the Army and met in Korea. The VA system is different around the country!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 i did google it and nothing i saw backed you up.
btw if you think the va is better than a private hospital you are so blind no amouth of factual evidence could ever change your mind
CobraStyleDevil 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 My mother stayed at the VA hospital in La Jolla, California and was very pleased with it. And she has been in regular hospitals too and she said they were equal. She also went to Long Beach, CA hospital and she said the La Jolla one was better but she received great care at both. Like I said, it depends on where you live. Wiki is where I got the hospital payment information. Go to Wikipedia and on the search line type in US healthcare system v. Canadian healthcare system. Wa-La.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22~So all three Branches voted to attack Iraq because Bush was such a stupid genious that he convinced them to invade Iraq because daddy said so? Hmmm. Or maybe it was the evil puppeteer Tricky Dick Cheyne wanted to pump his stock in Haliburton? Hmmmmm. Maybe the answer to all of this was hidden in Sandy Burgers pants? Hmmmm. Thank god we have a real president like Barry Hussein Obama to bail us out of this mess. The great thing about being independent is that I know both sides suck
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
@USAFORMERUSMC Well, for starters, the Justice Department had nothing to do with the Iraq war. And YES, he straight out, full on lied. bustard said there were WMD's when all the intelligence wasn't even in yet. To top it off, just because a country has WMD's doesn't mean we attack them. We might as well sent an invitation to every country to attack us if they think we have WMD's. bushtard also told Congress that Iraq was involved in 9/11. He played on the anger and fear of the American people!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 ~"Well, for starters, the Justice Department had nothing to do with the Iraq war. And YES, he straight out, full on lied. bustard said there were WMD's when all the intelligence wasn't even in yet."
I'm still waiting for the Dems to File Charges.......Waiting........waiting.........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
@USAFORMERUSMC There is some truth to what you say. I am still waiting for criminal charges to be brought up for bush/cheney and members of the Justice Department. Regarding cheney, I think he is in so much trouble with Hailiburton and has bad heart problems, they are giving him a pass. Don't think that it is a dead issue though, I think in time charges will be brought up against them. I am very disappointed in the Dems for not taking swift action. But don't confuse that with ignorance.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@USAFORMERUSMC There is some truth to what you say. I am still waiting for criminal charges to be brought up for bush/cheney and members of the Justice Department. Regarding cheney, I think he is in so much trouble with Hailiburton and has bad heart problems, they are giving him a pass. Don't think that it is a dead issue though, I think in time charges will be brought up against them. I am very disappointed in the Dems for not taking swift action. But don't confuse that with ignorance.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 ~Dont waste your time waiting for the Dems to prosecute because it wont happen. If the case had any teeth, they would have done it by now. The same goes for "Sandy (Are those documents in your pants or are you glad to see me) Burger". Why would the Reps drop charges on him? The act itself was a stand alone crime. If you are as intelligent as you think you are, you shoud drop the Koolaid, and forget about the R&D. The government souldnt tell you what to Eat, Smoke, Fuck, Drink etc
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
Looking back in history, charges were brought against leaders way after the crimes were committed. You would be surprised what the Justice Department is up too and like any criminal case, they gather all the facts before going to court. People have been charged with war crimes long after those crimes were committed.
I have yet to hear about any legislation that tells me when to eat, smoke, fuck, and drink. Let me know when the eating/smoking/fucking/drinking police arrive at your door.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 ~They have been more than just knocking, you just cant hear it. IE: No Smoking in the city or Private Property in Calabasas CA. that includes medical Cannibus, Proposition 8, Tighter Restrictions on Fast Food Consumption in Northern California. No Fireworks on the 4th of July, No Real Xmas trees allowed in homes due to Fire hazard, Motorcycle helmet laws, etc. What should be common sense is now written as law because the govt wants to tax & control you. Conspiracy Oooooooooooh!
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
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People voted for these state laws, nothing to do with the Federal Government. I live in San Clemente, CA and we can have real Christmas trees. My son-in-law smokes medical cannibus in his bedroom, no law against that. Prop 8 is about to be overturned in the CA Supreme Court and if it doesn't it will be in the US Supreme Court. Violates the 14th amendment big time. Helmet laws, seatbelt laws, no one should object to that. To many lawsuits of neighbors houses burning down cause of fireworks. con't
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@USAFORMERUSMC How do you feel about having to buy car insurance?
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
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blackdonnelly20 1 year ago
phillipmarch~Okay? I saw that partisan video that states all of the worlds woes could have been solved by the money spent on the war. If that were a real possibility, couldnt those same acts been accomplished by all other administrations as well? The video negates the 9/11 incident comparing death by firearms, and you see no distinction between the two? The mass murder of 3000 Americans by a single planned act of Terror, should NOT be avenged, but send 1000 condoms to every human human instead?
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
@USAFORMERUSMC Wait, I stand corrected! The Justice Department did have something to do with the war. In secrecy they approved torture violating 3 Geneva Convention Laws and1 US Law, (Jon Woo, Bisby.) bush/cheney are war criminals and mass murderers. If you don't believe me, keep an eye out for bush/cheny's travel. I guarantee you they won't leave this country!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
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onstageagain 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 ~You speculate on half truths and conspiracy's to formulate what you want to believe. You are no differnent from the Right wingers hell bent on challenging Obama's citizenship. If you were correct on all you proffess, Cheyne, Bush, Rove and others would be behind bars. They impeach a President for lying about a blow job, Jail an Rep Advisor for not remebering the Plame incident, yet the evil Top 3 Reps get off scott free? The Dems have to be a part of that conspiracy as well!
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 Where in the US Constitution states that HC is a right? In Canada, it's illegal to pay for a treatment even if you can afford it. That is why people from Canada, UK, & other countries come here for treatment that is available. They also come the US for treatment because what is common here is unavailable there. These socialized countries scrimp on spending for critical drugs & treatment. Like how Obama prefers to give the elderly painkillers instead of getting treatment.
hoorano 1 year ago
@hoorano Who said healthcare had to be in the Constitution? So, you are saying if you don't have the money for medical treatment you should die? Oh, and as for Canadians coming to the US, the number is very few. And if a Canadian does come here, the Canadian government pays for it by using the taxes the citizens pay. That is how I want MY tax dollars spent. You have not read the bill, there is nothing in there that says Obama wants to give the elderly pain killers. Sounds like your addicted!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 I'd rather go broke (which I am) & get treatment from a private HC facility. BTW, I'm military & I know the horrors of the Tricare MTF. Ask Jane Sturm what Obama said to her about her 90 yrs-old mother. In fact check out the video on YouTube. Punch in Jane Sturm in the search engine & you'll see what Obama said about pain killers. Nov 2, 2010, the people has spoken: defund Obamacare. Let it sit idle and the next conservative US president sign the bill to stop socialized medicine.
hoorano 1 year ago
If you think that whether you live or die, especially in this economy has to do with how much money is in your account, that is so sick it shocks me that anyone would feel that way. We might as well go back to the cave man days. Again, the way our HC system is set up is totally failing. Anyone who disagrees with that has not been really sick. We pay way too much in taxes not to have universal healthcare while we piss billions on needless shit. All industrialized countries laugh at us!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 BTW, the pursuit for happiness (legally becoming rich or attaining a career goal) is a constitutional right. Since when becoming wealthy is a sin? Why don't you work hard in becoming rich and help the economy. Taxing holds back expansion of business. When the corporations succeed, USA succeeds. When more people work under the corporations, the tax revenue rises (ECON 201). Here's the truth: If rich get poorer. the poor get enslaved by govt handouts, not richer.
hoorano 1 year ago
If rich people were taxed like poor people, then there will be no middle class...
krazymindreader 1 year ago
Man this guy just wants to take from us who work and spend it on the shitheads who refuse to. I would call him a useless cocksucker but that would not offend him since it is true. Maybe I can hire a good looking (female) hooker to sit on his face. That would really freak him out since he likely has not seen a woman's snatch since the day he was born.
larrydh2 1 year ago
What a piece of trash. Recover this money? What do you mean "recover" Barney? It's NOT YOURS!
metalgate 1 year ago
Another Fat Rich Democrat telling us why we should give our money to the Government while they keep theirs. Classic!
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
@USAFORMERUSMC Semper Fi buddy, I agree with you.. However, I doubt he is a rich as he was when his boyfriend was running the gay escort service out o their shared apartment. Remember that? Of course, Barney had no idea anything was going on.
larrydh2 1 year ago
If you are stupid enough to believe you can tax a person smart enough to create Wealth & Jobs, without passing those costs down the line, you deserve to be poor. Villifying the rich is as old as Robin Hood. The Left does a great job at blaming those who sign your pay-check. How much money has Barney Frank contributed to the poor and homeless? He and Chris Dodd are to blame for the Financial crisis. Kick that dumb fuck out on his fat ass!
USAFORMERUSMC 1 year ago
It absolutely sickening how obvious the Republicans are about the fact that they openly do not give a single sh*t about working Americans. They are truely the far more dangerous enemy of the working class, of the two ruling corporate parties.
Such a large number of Americans talk about "voting for change", but simply switch back and forth between Dem & GOP....
Do you really want to send a message and use your vote to change the 'status quo' at the ballet box?
Then Just Vote Green Party!
JackB733 1 year ago
obama and his fellow morons like fwank, are getting the ol' class war going.
oscarmacaroni 1 year ago
good old Barney Frank, against Bank regulation before he was for it.
Tell me why is that we don't have enough tax dollars to pay down debt or pay for public services but there is ALWAYS enough for federal workers to receive pay raises.
RayeoTNJ 1 year ago
Barney [ Freddie & Fanny are fine ] Frank says recover some of this money? He says that like the money is his to begin with. This clown is a criminal. He needs to take the majority of the blame for the recession. What's wrong with the people in his district? Have they no shame ?
moirajean8 1 year ago
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Here he is America the very best that Massachusetts can offer the federal government, there is no one in that state that could better represent the values and integrity of the people of Massachusetts, he is their choice to show all of America that this is the very best that Massachusetts has to offer
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ulpdy0 1 year ago
Awesome. He's correct.
aewester 1 year ago
Rich people employ me, without them I don't have a job.
InsertChanneNameHere 1 year ago
@InsertChanneNameHere Ah, but personal income tax cuts don't lead to job growth (see 2001-2009). Payroll tax cuts can be effective though.
Wingtipshoes 1 year ago
@Wingtipshoes Your very wrong about this. Reagan cut taxes and the economy created jobs at rapid rate. You need to increase incentives to invest...
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Reagan also raised taxes numerous times (and still presided over massive deficits). But the larger point is that it's misleading to imply a causality. Bush Jr cut taxes, and job creation over his term was pathetic. Clinton raised taxes and presided over a massive jobs boom. With that in mind, you cannot say that raising taxes on the extremely wealthy would lead to job losses.
Well, you could, but you'd be lying.
collingsm 1 year ago
@collingsm No, you're wrong. George Bush saw 52 consecutive jobs of job growth after his 2003 tax cuts. He also had an average unemployment rate of 5.3%. Reagan raised taxes.... Not true. He got rid of tax loophopoles and credits, he reduced tax expenditures. The important thing is that he cut the top income tax rate from 70% to 28%. Kennedy did the same thing. We saw saw major job growth then too. The facts are not in your favor.
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii It's cute to see you try. Have a read of that communist rag the Wall Street Journal's article comparing Bush's appalling jobs record with other presidents. Just to keep things simple for you, it helpfully states "Bush on Jobs: The Worst Track Record on Record."
As for Reagan, you are correct that he cut taxes. But you're forgetting the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act 1982 - the largest peacetime tax rise in history. He raised taxes every year 1981-87
collingsm 1 year ago
@collingsm You obviously did not read my last comment. I did not forget the TEFRA. I did say that it was not a real tax increase. It did nothing to increase tax rates. it simply got rid of tax credits, deductions, and loopholes. I do no consider this a tax increase. Even if you do consider that a tax increase, it is the least economically harmful kind.
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Lol. Just because you don't consider a tax increase a tax increase doesn't mean it's not a tax increase. Incidentally, what was the Deficit Reduction Act of 1984?
Btw, I'm glad you've realised you can't defend Bush's jobs record, as well as the idea of a causal relationship between personal income tax rates and employment.
collingsm 1 year ago
@collingsm Actually, I can easily defend Bush's record. An averaqe unemployment rate of 5.3%. A record 52 months of job growth. Wow, TERIIBLE Record!!!. LOL.... Tax cuts always create jobs. There has never been a tax cut that hasnt
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Rather than look at 52 months of Bush's time as president, you'd do well to look at his entire record (as opposed to cherry picking the period you want). As the WSJ stated, his record on jobs is the worst on record. I'm sorry the facts don't agree with you.
As for tax cuts always creating jobs, it's a pity that reality will shatter your bizarre fantasy. I presume you're smart enough to figure out that different types of tax cuts work differently - and some don't work at all.
collingsm 1 year ago
@collingsm 5.3% is his entire record. The 52 months came after his 2003 tax cuts. That is no coincidence. Your right that not all tax cuts create jobs. Tax rebates and credits don't do much to help the economy. However, accross the board rate cuts, like the ones Kennedy, Reagan, and Bush implemented, are the best way to spark growth in the economy.
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Lol - you have a marvellous career ahead of you as a GOP shill, given your ability to deny reality as it stares you in the face. Bush's record in jobs growth is the worst on record. His term ended with an economic catastrophe that he had nearly 8 years to prevent, and failed.
If there is a perfect correlation between tax cuts and job growth, how did Clinton manage such incredible job growth after raising taxes in 1993?
collingsm 1 year ago
@collingsm Well, the fact is that Bush had a natural disaster, a terrorist attack, and a financial crisis. We are talking about tax cuts not George Bush. After the tax cuts, we saw 52 consecutive months of job growth. As soon as the tax cuts were enacted the economy started growing quickly.
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Well, not to get off topic, but he did ignore warnings about the terrorist attack and facilitated the financial crisis. But to get back to the point you're trying to argue, in both your responses you're still cherrypicking. Bush's record on job growth, deficits and economic growth were pathetic. In terms of growth per quarter, he's barely over half of what Clinton achieved. Growth was the slowest since WW2.
collingsm 1 year ago
@collingsm Growth was the slowests since WW2. Not quite... Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower (who had a 91% top tax rate during his term, and George HW Bush (who raised tax rates) all has slower Growth than GW Bush. Clinton did raise taxes, but the economy did not grow quickly until A.) The tech boom and B.) The capital gains tax cut in 1997. Well, I guess all the facts are on my side. This comment pretty much disproved everything you have said. How does it feel to have all ur ideas disproven?
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii I'm beginning to think you don't know what `fact' means. But I'm glad to see that you've realised you undermined your whole point, given your acknowledgement that Clinton's tax rises didn't prevent employment or growth.
As for Bush, economic growth from 2001 through the third quarter of 2010 averaged 1.66%, and even during his `good' years (01-05), it was a measley 2.39% By comparison, the early 60s were around 5% and the late 70s with all that malaise was around 3.3%.
collingsm 1 year ago
@collingsm OMG, The third quarter of 2010 is not Bush. Compare us to Europe. tHEY HAVE HIGH TAXES and terrible economies.
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Heavens, you're entertaining. So you can't defend him over his shocking record on economic growth or jobs? You can't continue to falsely suggest there's a causal relationship between tax cuts and growth so you introduce a straw man in the shape of Europe?
No, the third quarter of 2010 is not Bush. But I hoped you were capable counting that 2006-08 was Bush, making 3 years of the 5 for a set of figures that are clearly in 5-year blocks. Sorry to have overestimated you.
collingsm 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii No they don't...... a lot do, but many don't.
Example: Germany.
there's actually a group of millionaires/billionaires in Germany willing to pay a super high tax in order to pay for environmental, social issues, etc. if they do, there will be virtually no jobs lost, no one in poverty, etc.
and Germany is 100% capitalist.....willing to pay to eliminate poverty and other issues in your country, to fund a healthcare system that does not leave anyone behind does not equal communism.
THEGLASSOFMILK2 1 year ago
@THEGLASSOFMILK2 Well, people do leave when taxes get too high. Germany has rich people. But America has many more, even adjusted for their population size. The free market is better at solving those problems than government.
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
Don't try to muddle the facts with 9/11, Katrina, or any other bullshit. Clinton warned bush about 9/11 and bush did nothing. During Clinton's term we had Osama bin Laden in bombing range, but Clinton's advisors said too many civilians would die. When Clinton left office he told bush al-Qaeda was our biggest threat and bush shined it on! As for Katrina, I could write a book on how he fucked that up. Which leaves the economy. If bush paid attention to domestic issues, we wouldn't be in the CF.
phillipmarch22 1 year ago
@phillipmarch22 Actually, the bad economy is Obamas fault. He has been in office for two years now. And Clinton did not warn Bush about 9/11. What is this, a conspiracy????
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii - It took 8 years for bushtard to neglect the economy, it is going to take more than 2 years to turn it around.
And not only did Clinton warn bush about al-Qaeda, he did it in writing. Let google be your friend!
phillipmarch22 1 year ago