(5) "Satan and his rebellious host will thus prove to have become the direct Saviors and Creators of divine man. Thus Satan, once he ceases to be viewed in the superstitious spirit of the church, grows into the grandiose image. It is Satan who is the God of our planet, and the only God.
(4) "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian initiation."
-David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
(3) Please, I urge you to look into the nefarious Luciferian religious beliefs of the politicians and elites currently running our world. Watch two online documentaries called "The Arrivals" (and "The Arrivals Reloaded") and do a YouTube search for a documentary called "Lucifer god of the Illuminati." They'll explain it to you much better than I can.
Also, do a Google and YouTube search for the New World Order and one-world government.
(2) But first, they have to construct a global secular society. Look at the back of a 1-dollar bill. They hide their symbolism in plain view. You see the Illuminati pyramid with the Freemasonic all-seeing eye at the top (aka the "eye of Lucifer"). Underneath, it reads "novus ordo seclorum," which is latin for a "new secular order." Above the eye, it reads "annuit coeptis" which means "he favors our undertaking." ... "He" being Lucifer.
(1) WRONG. Look into the secret societies that these same politicians calling for a New World Order are apart of. They are Luciferian occultists with an agenda to abolish all spiritual and religious aspects of society to then usher in the anti-Christ who will rule over mankind through a tyrannical Luciferian one-world government.
Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant. It is their demonic religious belief and agenda. What matters is that THEY believe it.
While I agree with you, I have to admit I am sensitive to one of the things believers produce frequently: What about people who live horrible lives?
Of course you and me, we would say: "Let's all work together to make life in this world better, not waste time praying!"
But what about those who are already lost, and those we won't be able to save? How can we think of life as something positive with these people in mind and no backup-plan? "Though Chance"? Not very persuasive
@shark15 Sorry I didn't make this clear, but flushing the dollar down the toilet will not cause you to win $100 million. You will receive that money regardless.
Life is valuable because it is inherently valuable, even though it completely pales in comparison to heaven. If you're considering whether to donate one dollar to an anti-aids foundation or flush it down the toilet, you should still do the wise thing with the dollar, even if you know you will win a $100 million lottery the next day. Additionally, life is valuable from a Christian perspective because it allows us to help others improve the lives of others, especially though converting them.
@4iner2 If flushing the dollar down the toilet resulted in $100 million dollars to be donated to the anti-aids foundation, then you should flush it down the toilet.
I actually talked to a Christian who tried to convince me that nothing in this life was relevant, nothing mattered as long as I converted. There's something uniquely disgusting in that assertion.
Value is intrinsic, either way. Whatever form life takes, the value of each moment we experience is only measurable by our own assessments. So this argument really doesn't work if you retain that attitude. Not that it makes the Christian promise of Heaven any more appealing.
It's like saying you have an infinite amount of cherries, so you can't enjoy the taste of cherries, because cherries can only be enjoyed when they are a scarce commodity. But that presupposes a number of things that...
@mistertakeda ...aren't necessarily true. Perhaps you also have an infinite amount of other foods to sample, so the choice of cherries, particularly, is still a rare and special circumstance. Perhaps the thrill of doing something, anything, at just the right moment, remains thrilling, even in the face of the infinite, because other parameters still exist that limit the individual, e.g., the limitation of being only able to do one thing at a time; or the possibility of infinite experiences.
Supposing that Heaven does exist, are actions in this life are not necessarily in vain. Although in Heaven we are said to reach our fullest actuality, to be as happy as we can be, not everyone in Heaven will be equally happy. That is not to say that anyone will be unhappy in Heaven. But rather some people, through their actions in this life, would have a greater capacity to be happy. So while everyone in Heaven would be fully happy, some could be said to be more fully happy.
Well, there's one easy solution to an eternity not being boring: every night you forget, and every day seems like your first day of paradise. Or God "fixes" your brain so you're constantly blissful and happy.
Seems God always has to intervene in some way to make anything work (e.g., Noah's Flood).
@Underlings So to make it intp paradise God has to make me Leonard Shelby from "Memento"? How is that paradise? Or he could transform my psychology into a superhuman being, so radically different than myself that it wouldn't seem fair to say that it's actually ME that's getting into heaven. Either way, I don't get to paradise.
@SisyphusRedeemed I think you just discovered the truth behind the saying, "Ignorance is bliss"! ;-) And if there's one thing religion is all about is not asking questions...which is the path to ignorance.
Life isn't a test. A test would indicate that the "test taker" would have preconcieved knowledge of the content of the test, itself. A "dress rehearsal" would indicate foreknowledge of the play, skit, musical, opera or operetta. A job interview would indicate that the prerequisites were, in some way, already realized. /// 1:48 Why do people believe in a woman's "right to 'choose'"? Life is "so precious" and is to be "cherished" and "savored", but it's okay to discard lives (or potential lives)?
SR, I have to admit this is much the same reasoning that moved me away from Theism. The idea of Heaven presented in the bible is nondescript enough the one in The Quran is odder. I kept asking what do I want with 26 virgins? Or rivers of milk and non-intoxicating wine.
As a Deist I agree entirely with you that this life should be lived to the utmost and treated as all there will ever be. I also hold out hope that there may be something more beyond this existence. (cont.)
(cont.) Who I am is based so heavily on what I have learned and how I have handled the situations that it seems possible that even if I were a ghost in this machine I may have needed to learn these lessons to mature.
In either case we share a passion for life and for the moment. The argument as I put it is either, this is all there is so make the most of it or this may lead to something but if it does we don't know what so we need to focus on making the most of our time here.
Yeah all the things I've read on 'heaven' sound like something you'd hear about on an unethical recruitment program at worst, or just poorly thought out conjecture at best. If there is something there I am confidant it will seem appropriate. If there is nothing I don't expect I'll be there to experience any disappointment.
Dear Sisyphus please respond this is a serioous question for me & I've always thoguht about it my whole life after accepting nothingness after death......I've probably spoken with one of the most reputable and well respsected and intellectually honest theist of all time(Christian origin-but believes religion is tainted and perverted- like me)
Now the question. I've always wanted to ask every atheist who belives that this is the final destination... i'e always thought I should live life (cont)
for me...Turns out (most of the time anyways) I live life for the people i care about. There are people who need me & it would be selfish if I ever decided to "leave willingly". But here is the thing i've discussed with the theist. He said atheism is -masochism & we are hurting ourselves. I was ready to jump chose to listen and ask why? Long story short..What about the people who are menaingful in your life? Are we denying or accepting a "false" sense of harsh reality when we we accept (cont)
that we wil never see them again when they die? Our family members our freinds....Sometimes I'm 50/50 on this sometimes it goes the other way. So the genuine question is do you feel we are hurting ourselves,( DW I've seen your vid grief and emotion are unreasonable if there is an after life) when we accept that they are dead and gone and you'll neveer see their faces again? please respond
Like my lecture on grief suggested, if there is an eternal afterlife, then we cannot value this one, and the people in it. As much as I enjoy the pleasure of their company, it will pale in comparison to hanging out with God. This life is so much cheaper, just a holding pattern if there is another life after this one. So contrary to your friend, if there is an afterlife, then we cannot really love our lives, or our friends.
Sorry i boldly assumed we were on teh same page here. No-theism. After life-but no transendental being. I don't wnat to be arrognat but some people truly belive they personally know God. But i belive(if i weren't an atheist) if they are right that there is a tri-onmi being(s) they will meet that person for the first time.
But what I am truly asking is in your videos saying you want your life to "come to an end"...How do YOU go about living life "knowing you'll never see your (cont)
friends again or your mother or someone who really matters. i mean I've thought about aplace like purgatory(not actual purgatory) -momentary afterlife(i mean i thought about it ), in respect to your vids...you know "One final proper goodbye before you're erased from existence"
I mean is there something wrong with that. Please respond- I always value your opinions
sorry i just realized what I said..and i just realized it might have some flaws...but can yuo please bare with them in the general sense.....I guess i didn't give it much thought after as i thought i did XD
A final goodbye certainly sounds appealing. But I wouldn't want any 'big secrets' revealed. Like I said, I don't want the answers to be in the back of the book.
But I see no reason to think there will be such a final goodbye, as appealing as the notion is.
no big secrets revlead...just a momentary reunions....I know it sounds flawed and I'll save you the trouble of going into it. I mean if i were to die and my grandfather is waiting( is HAVING to wait to say goodbye to me) only to be erased from existence. and lets not forget the others who are wating to say fairwell to me etc....It's a bit flawed i know, but I couldn't help but think about. ANd in the presence of skepticism, i thought about it vivdly for some reason just now. weird(cont)
would this life be meaning less if there was a momentary afterlife that existed for a little while (10 min or so) just to say a proper farewell to the fallen or forgotten.
haha i love you man :) but my videos TOTALLY RAPE, you should watch them you would fuking love it, its like 25 hours in total, and i'd love for you to totally make a mass summary
Sisyphus, Iliked what you had to say, agreed with it whole-heartedly. One thing though, to back it with music kinda turned me off, I had to mentally block it out. I dunno , to me the music takes away from the vid's meaning as though it's more of a sales pitch, LIKE RELIGION attempts. Remove the background music and you have a nice vid. Please consider it.
Hey gblueslover2, glad you liked the vid. As to the music, yeah, I know what you mean. I've gone back and forth on it. There is something kind of manipulative about it. But, at the same time, the point of the video is about value in life, what's good in life, etc. and the emotions are a big key to that, so perhaps stirring the emotions is actually apropos. I don't know, I'm just trying things out.
Not only have I read Nietzsche, I've taught him at the university level, and I've recently had a paper accepted for peer-reviewed publication on him. I see what I'm saying here as very much in line with Nietzsche's thought.
I am, however, unfamiliar with 'sth.' Who is that?
Very passionately argued but I don't see things the same way. It seems most Christians view Heaven as dramatically different from life on Earth, so it still makes sense to cherish every moment here because they really ARE in finite supply. It's like cherishing your days in high school. Should one discount high school as meaningless because it leads to college or career? No, just because life exists after high school doesn't mean high school is "just a test." It's only a test partially.
But heaven isn't just supposed to be 'different', it's supposed to be BETTER. And not just somewhat better, but infinitely better. High school should be discounted if college is so good that high school is quite literally hell by comparison.
OK, I guess I can see your point then. I do agree that if Heaven is infinitely better than this life AND if we can determine by our actions whether we get in or not, then this life is rendered meaningless, a mere prepartory exercise.
More liberal Christians might avoid this trap, however, either by saying the details of Heaven can't be known (a.ka. it might not be infinitely better) or by a Universalist stance (everyone makes it to Heaven so don't worry about preparing for it).
"if purpose is in God, then ur activities do matter on earth."
Maybe to God, but that's of little consolation, since it does not (and CAN NOT) matter to us as finite beings.
"But an atheistic worldview has no meaning with no objective source of purpose "
Who says that meaning has to be 'objective' to be valuable? Subjective meaning is still meaning. In fact, any meaning that ISN'T experienced the individual subject is of absolutely no value to the subject, and hence not meaningful at all.
"u are looking at it from a 'self-sucess' view which is the wrong angle."
It has nothing to do with 'success,' but rather with the nature of meaning. In order for something to be meaningful it must be meaningful to some subject. If I live forever then my actions may matter to God, but they don't matter to me.
"If meaning is relative then it is non-exisistant"
Nonsense. The meaning of language is relative, but it still exists. Why should the meaning of life be different?
never mind u cant grasp it, its lik saying morality exists if its relative which is an oxymoron, u simply dont understand, and i think i can foresee that 10 more comments wont change that
It is a widely held Atheistic belief that our lives are precious and that we should make the most of it. Because we believe this is the only life we get.
Religious people often give their life over to mediocrity because they at least subconsciously think they're going to get another one.
You will never meet an Atheist scholar that believes otherwise. But I guess the only Atheists you've met are idiots. All Atheists that waste their life because they think it's "meaningless" need to grow up.
"But an atheistic worldview has no meaning with no objective source of purpose"
How does any world view have an objective source of purpose? Purpose is subjective, it is heavily influenced by personal considerations.
More importantly, the bible was written by men, and is subjective. If you think that serving god is an objective source of purpose because the bible says so you're sadly mistaken.
Ur whole comment isnt a discussion on logical conclusion of belief but presumptive argument against my belief, learn what other people are talking about before spouting nonsense plz
Umm you're claiming that atheism has no meaning because it is subjective rather than objective, which is not only false, but hypocritical, because your own world view is based off subjective belief of purpose. So, please not only learn to spell English but to comprehend it as well.
I have a problem, lately, I dunno why, I've been thinking about life...
And came to the conclution that we are all in a rutine... why would we start things when we know they're gonna end, I hate this... I feel sad... and I'm only 16... what can i do? :S
Not sure I'm really qualified to answer this, but since you ask, here's my two cents. First off, at 16 your brain is going through some major chemical adjustments and prolonged, inexplicable depression is quite normal. Most teenagers go through that. As for why start things when we know they're going to end, well, because they're worthwhile while they last. If they DIDN'T end, we would eventually come to take them for granted and resent them. Like I said, their finitude makes them precious.
As for what you can do, there's a lot of options. Meditation has clinically proven results in helping depression. Keeping a journal of thoughts and feelings helps, too, it may allow you to make some sense out of your suffering. Trying to find more time to relish the things you really care about, the things that make you happy is good. The Beatles recomend getting by with a little help from your friends; find people who identify with your situation and open up to them.
Ajam, it just happened suddenly... I don't know why, this might seem silly , but i was about to fail one subject on school... and i started to thinking, there's no problem if i fail... It won't make any difference when i'm older, or when i die... because i'll just be death...
I meant the condition I'm having, because I remember having something like this when i was a little boy, and i was scared of my parents to die... and didn't want that day to come... but some days after i forgot it...
If these don't help, or if your malaise seems like it's way too much, professional help might be a good idea. Talk therapy at first, and perhaps medication, but personally I would think of meds as a last resort (I think they tend to mask the problem, rather then deal with it, but sometimes masking is important.) Above all, take care of yourself. Hope this helped.
and for some reason what so ever... it happens just at night... when it's day, I don't have any trouble, I'm fine as ussual, but there's a time at night when something clicks in my mind and gets me depressed... it might as well be, that i've been with these girl for 3 months, and she just left me one day to another, despite the fact that I've been waiting her for 1 month for her to do well on her exams...
I think your mental framework is just a little off level.
While I'm largely a pessimist, that does not mean that you shouldn't enjoy things as much as possible.
I pose you the opposite question. Why would one start things when you know they'll never end? It renders any acts you do meaningless.
To use a shitty video game analogy. If you for some reason cheat and can never die, or get hurt, can you truly enjoy the game? I believe the enjoyment comes from what your able to do, while you can.
The topic reminds me of the movie quote from Troy by character Achilles.
"The Gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal, because any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again."
You're appear to be ignoring basic theological concepts. Making a distinction between "this life" and "the afterlife" is an artificial(but understandable) one. It is a conventionalism based on what is observable (organic life & death). Basic reading of Augustine and Aquinas would point that out rather quickly. Perhaps you should focus your assessment of religious ideas less on popular notions and more on the long established writings in the field such as the Summa or City of God (for example).
I've read the Summa, and the CoG (and the Confessions, On the Trinity, Monologium, and Proslogium, among others). Nothing I've seen in any of them (including the point you made) undermines my point. All that's needed for my argument to hold is (a) we survive the death of our physical body, (b) this posthumous existence is eternal and (c) this posthumous existence is paradisaical. (Strictly speaking, (c) is only necessary for some aspects of my argument, but (a) and (b) are necessary for all.)
With all due respect (& given your obvious intelligence, that's a good deal), I would ask why you choose to ignore the rather substantial error embodied in the assumption that there is some sort of dichotomy between current existence and existence post-physical life? It's all eternal, one great continuity. To say otherwise is to ignore the basics of Aquinas, Augustine & so on. As to current behavior affecting "subsequent" events, isn't that the nature of life? I gave your vid 5 stars btw.
Depending how you read the quote it might as well argue for the atheists point of view. Only that our 'eternity' would be real and yours a myth made up by men.
"Okay, I would like you to prove to me that life truly ends at the grave. Emperical evidence please."
It surprises me that after all these discussions with atheists the theists still hasn't been able to grasp concepts like burden of proof. If the null hypothesis is not the default for anything that isn't falsifiable then everything nonfalsifiable I or anybody else for that matter can concieve of exists. Assinine!
This world is our schoolhouse. Our life does matter because we have to decide if everything is about me or if others are just as important as me. Each time we are reborn we start over, with a clean slate. Eventually we decide who we are and then we move on to the other 99.9% of what is out there.
I hope you're not saying that the ONLY thing that makes life matter is so we can decide if other people matter. If that's the case, then most people might as well die now, since I'm pretty sure most people would agree that other people do matter.
Also, I don't think there are sunrises/moons/flowers in heaven, so I savor those things too. Heaven is a spiritual realm not a greedy materialist paradise for the morally depraved atheist.
The fact that you consider the aesthetic sublime of a sunrise to be 'a greedy materialist' experience for the 'morally depraved' speaks volumes, and reinforces my point.
If you watch a beautiful sunset, you can treasure the memory of that moment long after the sun has faded from the sky. If it was frozen for an eternity, it just becomes ordinary.
I'm sure that most of these people who look forward to eternal life don't really appreciate what eternity would mean.
I disagree with the content of your post, but gave it a thumbs up for it's expectation of recognizing thousands of christian sects, while adding on my own expectation of not realizing every other conceived, and yet to be conceived, human concept of meaning and life after death; or the lack thereof.
It's basically just a strawman he sets up to knock down. He also fails to recognize that there are thousands of different denominations of christianity and each believes something different. The video is basically a scripted oversimplification of a very complex topic, but he has some decent music and speaks well.
Not sure whats wrong, my reply did not come trough.
Mikecampo: No i dont think this is a strawman in the sense you said.
In the context of this video different denominations of Christianity or any other religion don´t..well.. matter.
As long as ´afterlife´ is part of the doctrine.
This video, as far as i understand, is a respond to a typical strawman argument from believers: If there is no god or afterlife, how your life can matter? why there would be any purpose?
You can't strawman a lack of a belief. :O And the nature and function of the "afterlife" is extremely relevant to the specific belief he lacks. So it does matter.
It's obviously a complex topic, I don't suppose I'm going to settle millennia-old theological issue in five minutes. I'm just hoping to challenge the conventional wisdom on the topic.
But I wasn't trying to address just Christianity; I was targeting any religion that holds to a paradisaical afterlife.
It's weird bro. Ever since the new youtube update, you have to manually click on auto accept for every single video directly after you upload under the "edit video" feature. It didn't used to be like that. Confused the "hell" out of me first time it happened. I've never refused a video response despite this recent annoyance.
I think that theists hide behind eternity to compensate for their dissatisfaction and failure in real life. Well, those that truly find comfort in the idea of eternity anyway. Good video.
How can the idea of eternal peace/happiness not be comforting? While I do not ascribe to this belief, doesn't mean I don't see the comforting aspects that it can possess.
I'm sure if you thought about it you'd agree. I think you just wanted to take a jab at theists.
Even Mystery would admit that you're working "negging" too early. You need to open, neg, false time constraint, DHV, insult close.
I actually don't find it comforting, I find it quite disturbing. To quote Stoppard again: "Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?"
Thanks. I don't doubt there are some theists for whom that is true, but I generally try to steer clear of that sort of psychoanalytic response, as it's too much of an ad hominem for my tastes. After all, even if that is why they cling to the idea of heaven, that neither proves that they are wrong, nor that they heaven wouldn't be a nice idea if it were real.
I actually considered calling it "Heaven: An Excessive Punishment" and posting it as a reply to your video on hell. Ultimately I decided against it, since it wasn't quite accurate (I'm not saying heaven is punishment for life, but that it cheapens life, so...)
Of course, if we were to believe the words of certain people who are sure they're going there, some of the company in that imaginary place could /feel/ like punishment... ;^>
(6) To watch videos of our politicans calling for a "New World Order," check out the following link:
h t t p : / / 911truthseeker . webs . com / thenewworldorder . htm (<--remove the spaces)
Yrhp8268 1 month ago
(5) "Satan and his rebellious host will thus prove to have become the direct Saviors and Creators of divine man. Thus Satan, once he ceases to be viewed in the superstitious spirit of the church, grows into the grandiose image. It is Satan who is the God of our planet, and the only God.
--H.P. Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine
Yrhp8268 1 month ago
(4) "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian initiation."
-David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
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(3) Please, I urge you to look into the nefarious Luciferian religious beliefs of the politicians and elites currently running our world. Watch two online documentaries called "The Arrivals" (and "The Arrivals Reloaded") and do a YouTube search for a documentary called "Lucifer god of the Illuminati." They'll explain it to you much better than I can.
Also, do a Google and YouTube search for the New World Order and one-world government.
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(2) But first, they have to construct a global secular society. Look at the back of a 1-dollar bill. They hide their symbolism in plain view. You see the Illuminati pyramid with the Freemasonic all-seeing eye at the top (aka the "eye of Lucifer"). Underneath, it reads "novus ordo seclorum," which is latin for a "new secular order." Above the eye, it reads "annuit coeptis" which means "he favors our undertaking." ... "He" being Lucifer.
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(1) WRONG. Look into the secret societies that these same politicians calling for a New World Order are apart of. They are Luciferian occultists with an agenda to abolish all spiritual and religious aspects of society to then usher in the anti-Christ who will rule over mankind through a tyrannical Luciferian one-world government.
Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant. It is their demonic religious belief and agenda. What matters is that THEY believe it.
Yrhp8268 1 month ago
While I agree with you, I have to admit I am sensitive to one of the things believers produce frequently: What about people who live horrible lives?
Of course you and me, we would say: "Let's all work together to make life in this world better, not waste time praying!"
But what about those who are already lost, and those we won't be able to save? How can we think of life as something positive with these people in mind and no backup-plan? "Though Chance"? Not very persuasive
neoZykl 2 months ago
@shark15 Sorry I didn't make this clear, but flushing the dollar down the toilet will not cause you to win $100 million. You will receive that money regardless.
4iner2 3 months ago
Life is valuable because it is inherently valuable, even though it completely pales in comparison to heaven. If you're considering whether to donate one dollar to an anti-aids foundation or flush it down the toilet, you should still do the wise thing with the dollar, even if you know you will win a $100 million lottery the next day. Additionally, life is valuable from a Christian perspective because it allows us to help others improve the lives of others, especially though converting them.
4iner2 4 months ago
@4iner2 If flushing the dollar down the toilet resulted in $100 million dollars to be donated to the anti-aids foundation, then you should flush it down the toilet.
shark15 3 months ago
Love the Tarski shirt. I've always found his paper with Banach astoundingly interesting.
LeonhardEuler1 5 months ago
thanks! really nice video, reminded me greatly of a part of a Richard Dawkins Speech: v=Ac33dOAgqus
thargor2k 7 months ago
I actually talked to a Christian who tried to convince me that nothing in this life was relevant, nothing mattered as long as I converted. There's something uniquely disgusting in that assertion.
KaraRvn 1 year ago
@KaraRvn Phaa!! These religious nuts need to sort themselves out!
RyanB747 8 months ago
Value is intrinsic, either way. Whatever form life takes, the value of each moment we experience is only measurable by our own assessments. So this argument really doesn't work if you retain that attitude. Not that it makes the Christian promise of Heaven any more appealing.
It's like saying you have an infinite amount of cherries, so you can't enjoy the taste of cherries, because cherries can only be enjoyed when they are a scarce commodity. But that presupposes a number of things that...
mistertakeda 1 year ago
@mistertakeda ...aren't necessarily true. Perhaps you also have an infinite amount of other foods to sample, so the choice of cherries, particularly, is still a rare and special circumstance. Perhaps the thrill of doing something, anything, at just the right moment, remains thrilling, even in the face of the infinite, because other parameters still exist that limit the individual, e.g., the limitation of being only able to do one thing at a time; or the possibility of infinite experiences.
mistertakeda 1 year ago
Supposing that Heaven does exist, are actions in this life are not necessarily in vain. Although in Heaven we are said to reach our fullest actuality, to be as happy as we can be, not everyone in Heaven will be equally happy. That is not to say that anyone will be unhappy in Heaven. But rather some people, through their actions in this life, would have a greater capacity to be happy. So while everyone in Heaven would be fully happy, some could be said to be more fully happy.
kerplunk288 1 year ago
Well, there's one easy solution to an eternity not being boring: every night you forget, and every day seems like your first day of paradise. Or God "fixes" your brain so you're constantly blissful and happy.
Seems God always has to intervene in some way to make anything work (e.g., Noah's Flood).
Underlings 1 year ago
@Underlings So to make it intp paradise God has to make me Leonard Shelby from "Memento"? How is that paradise? Or he could transform my psychology into a superhuman being, so radically different than myself that it wouldn't seem fair to say that it's actually ME that's getting into heaven. Either way, I don't get to paradise.
SisyphusRedeemed 1 year ago 2
@SisyphusRedeemed I think you just discovered the truth behind the saying, "Ignorance is bliss"! ;-) And if there's one thing religion is all about is not asking questions...which is the path to ignorance.
BTW, thanks for subscribing.
Underlings 1 year ago
@Underlings There goes the freewill argument.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
If you believe in heaven then you might as well comply with all of the rules for a minute and recklessly endanger your own life.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
Yes, I always believed that there was something damaging about believing this life is just a test for some swanky afterlife club.
tipoomaster 1 year ago
That was beautiful. Thank you.
Vexsom 1 year ago
@Vexsom I'm glad you liked it, thanks for saying so.
SisyphusRedeemed 1 year ago
Life isn't a test. A test would indicate that the "test taker" would have preconcieved knowledge of the content of the test, itself. A "dress rehearsal" would indicate foreknowledge of the play, skit, musical, opera or operetta. A job interview would indicate that the prerequisites were, in some way, already realized. /// 1:48 Why do people believe in a woman's "right to 'choose'"? Life is "so precious" and is to be "cherished" and "savored", but it's okay to discard lives (or potential lives)?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
SR, I have to admit this is much the same reasoning that moved me away from Theism. The idea of Heaven presented in the bible is nondescript enough the one in The Quran is odder. I kept asking what do I want with 26 virgins? Or rivers of milk and non-intoxicating wine.
As a Deist I agree entirely with you that this life should be lived to the utmost and treated as all there will ever be. I also hold out hope that there may be something more beyond this existence. (cont.)
ApostateltsopA 2 years ago
(cont.) Who I am is based so heavily on what I have learned and how I have handled the situations that it seems possible that even if I were a ghost in this machine I may have needed to learn these lessons to mature.
In either case we share a passion for life and for the moment. The argument as I put it is either, this is all there is so make the most of it or this may lead to something but if it does we don't know what so we need to focus on making the most of our time here.
ApostateltsopA 2 years ago
I can be down with hoping there may be something more, so long as that 'something more' is not eternal or paradisaical.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
Yeah all the things I've read on 'heaven' sound like something you'd hear about on an unethical recruitment program at worst, or just poorly thought out conjecture at best. If there is something there I am confidant it will seem appropriate. If there is nothing I don't expect I'll be there to experience any disappointment.
ApostateltsopA 2 years ago
Dear Sisyphus please respond this is a serioous question for me & I've always thoguht about it my whole life after accepting nothingness after death......I've probably spoken with one of the most reputable and well respsected and intellectually honest theist of all time(Christian origin-but believes religion is tainted and perverted- like me)
Now the question. I've always wanted to ask every atheist who belives that this is the final destination... i'e always thought I should live life (cont)
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
for me...Turns out (most of the time anyways) I live life for the people i care about. There are people who need me & it would be selfish if I ever decided to "leave willingly". But here is the thing i've discussed with the theist. He said atheism is -masochism & we are hurting ourselves. I was ready to jump chose to listen and ask why? Long story short..What about the people who are menaingful in your life? Are we denying or accepting a "false" sense of harsh reality when we we accept (cont)
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
that we wil never see them again when they die? Our family members our freinds....Sometimes I'm 50/50 on this sometimes it goes the other way. So the genuine question is do you feel we are hurting ourselves,( DW I've seen your vid grief and emotion are unreasonable if there is an after life) when we accept that they are dead and gone and you'll neveer see their faces again? please respond
Thank you.
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
Like my lecture on grief suggested, if there is an eternal afterlife, then we cannot value this one, and the people in it. As much as I enjoy the pleasure of their company, it will pale in comparison to hanging out with God. This life is so much cheaper, just a holding pattern if there is another life after this one. So contrary to your friend, if there is an afterlife, then we cannot really love our lives, or our friends.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
Sorry i boldly assumed we were on teh same page here. No-theism. After life-but no transendental being. I don't wnat to be arrognat but some people truly belive they personally know God. But i belive(if i weren't an atheist) if they are right that there is a tri-onmi being(s) they will meet that person for the first time.
But what I am truly asking is in your videos saying you want your life to "come to an end"...How do YOU go about living life "knowing you'll never see your (cont)
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
friends again or your mother or someone who really matters. i mean I've thought about aplace like purgatory(not actual purgatory) -momentary afterlife(i mean i thought about it ), in respect to your vids...you know "One final proper goodbye before you're erased from existence"
I mean is there something wrong with that. Please respond- I always value your opinions
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
sorry i just realized what I said..and i just realized it might have some flaws...but can yuo please bare with them in the general sense.....I guess i didn't give it much thought after as i thought i did XD
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
"How do YOU go about living life "knowing you'll never see your friends again or your mother or someone who really matters"?
Like every day matters, because there are only a small number left.
Alternatively, I think of Nietzsche's "Eternal Recurrence" as an excellent test to replace the judgment of God.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
I'll be sure to look up on Eternal Recurrence" ..
So what are your thoughts on my momentary afterlife notion,?the final goodbye and all that stuff ;-)
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
A final goodbye certainly sounds appealing. But I wouldn't want any 'big secrets' revealed. Like I said, I don't want the answers to be in the back of the book.
But I see no reason to think there will be such a final goodbye, as appealing as the notion is.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
no big secrets revlead...just a momentary reunions....I know it sounds flawed and I'll save you the trouble of going into it. I mean if i were to die and my grandfather is waiting( is HAVING to wait to say goodbye to me) only to be erased from existence. and lets not forget the others who are wating to say fairwell to me etc....It's a bit flawed i know, but I couldn't help but think about. ANd in the presence of skepticism, i thought about it vivdly for some reason just now. weird(cont)
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
anyways have a good 1, and I'm stll patiently w8ing 4 your vid...
Soilderofscience
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
would this life be meaning less if there was a momentary afterlife that existed for a little while (10 min or so) just to say a proper farewell to the fallen or forgotten.
SoilderofScience 2 years ago
haha i love you man :) but my videos TOTALLY RAPE, you should watch them you would fuking love it, its like 25 hours in total, and i'd love for you to totally make a mass summary
sonicsoul0 2 years ago
Sisyphus, Iliked what you had to say, agreed with it whole-heartedly. One thing though, to back it with music kinda turned me off, I had to mentally block it out. I dunno , to me the music takes away from the vid's meaning as though it's more of a sales pitch, LIKE RELIGION attempts. Remove the background music and you have a nice vid. Please consider it.
Just my opinion
gblueslover2 2 years ago
Hey gblueslover2, glad you liked the vid. As to the music, yeah, I know what you mean. I've gone back and forth on it. There is something kind of manipulative about it. But, at the same time, the point of the video is about value in life, what's good in life, etc. and the emotions are a big key to that, so perhaps stirring the emotions is actually apropos. I don't know, I'm just trying things out.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
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Right on, man.
gblueslover2 2 years ago
Sigur Ros is alright by me.
wilfredthebold 2 years ago
Whoa!
"Waste it watching Spongebob Squarepants."
Spongebob is not a waste.
(Ooohhhhhh...Who lives in pineapple under the sea?...)
mknorman 2 years ago
I'd have said Hannah Montana, but saying her name three times conjures her from the bowels of hell and I didn't want to take the risk.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
you should read nietzsche or sth, before posting retarded crap
right1234wrong 2 years ago
Not only have I read Nietzsche, I've taught him at the university level, and I've recently had a paper accepted for peer-reviewed publication on him. I see what I'm saying here as very much in line with Nietzsche's thought.
I am, however, unfamiliar with 'sth.' Who is that?
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
I guess Sisyphus kicked ur ass. Now go to your room you naughty little creep.
Aspentroll 2 years ago
Very passionately argued but I don't see things the same way. It seems most Christians view Heaven as dramatically different from life on Earth, so it still makes sense to cherish every moment here because they really ARE in finite supply. It's like cherishing your days in high school. Should one discount high school as meaningless because it leads to college or career? No, just because life exists after high school doesn't mean high school is "just a test." It's only a test partially.
Unerrante84 2 years ago
But heaven isn't just supposed to be 'different', it's supposed to be BETTER. And not just somewhat better, but infinitely better. High school should be discounted if college is so good that high school is quite literally hell by comparison.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
OK, I guess I can see your point then. I do agree that if Heaven is infinitely better than this life AND if we can determine by our actions whether we get in or not, then this life is rendered meaningless, a mere prepartory exercise.
More liberal Christians might avoid this trap, however, either by saying the details of Heaven can't be known (a.ka. it might not be infinitely better) or by a Universalist stance (everyone makes it to Heaven so don't worry about preparing for it).
Unerrante84 2 years ago
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Unerrante84 2 years ago
Sigur Ros FTW!
Mjhavok 2 years ago
if purpose is in God, then ur activities do matter on earth.
But an atheistic worldview has no meaning with no objective source of purpose
Antisyncretism 3 years ago
"if purpose is in God, then ur activities do matter on earth."
Maybe to God, but that's of little consolation, since it does not (and CAN NOT) matter to us as finite beings.
"But an atheistic worldview has no meaning with no objective source of purpose "
Who says that meaning has to be 'objective' to be valuable? Subjective meaning is still meaning. In fact, any meaning that ISN'T experienced the individual subject is of absolutely no value to the subject, and hence not meaningful at all.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
"Maybe to God, but that's of little consolation, since it does not (and CAN NOT) matter to us as finite beings."
uh no serving God in life is not about moving self forward, and u are looking at it from a 'self-sucess' view which is the wrong angle.
If meaning is relative then it is non-exisistant, if no purpose is absolutely derived and u urself choose it then its just preference but not purpose
Antisyncretism 3 years ago
"u are looking at it from a 'self-sucess' view which is the wrong angle."
It has nothing to do with 'success,' but rather with the nature of meaning. In order for something to be meaningful it must be meaningful to some subject. If I live forever then my actions may matter to God, but they don't matter to me.
"If meaning is relative then it is non-exisistant"
Nonsense. The meaning of language is relative, but it still exists. Why should the meaning of life be different?
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
the meaning is found in serving God, simple.
never mind u cant grasp it, its lik saying morality exists if its relative which is an oxymoron, u simply dont understand, and i think i can foresee that 10 more comments wont change that
Antisyncretism 3 years ago
Well, cheers anyway. Thanks for sharing your two cents.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
It is a widely held Atheistic belief that our lives are precious and that we should make the most of it. Because we believe this is the only life we get.
Religious people often give their life over to mediocrity because they at least subconsciously think they're going to get another one.
You will never meet an Atheist scholar that believes otherwise. But I guess the only Atheists you've met are idiots. All Atheists that waste their life because they think it's "meaningless" need to grow up.
tarekadambenchouia 3 years ago
"But an atheistic worldview has no meaning with no objective source of purpose"
How does any world view have an objective source of purpose? Purpose is subjective, it is heavily influenced by personal considerations.
More importantly, the bible was written by men, and is subjective. If you think that serving god is an objective source of purpose because the bible says so you're sadly mistaken.
atheistchaos 2 years ago
Ur whole comment isnt a discussion on logical conclusion of belief but presumptive argument against my belief, learn what other people are talking about before spouting nonsense plz
Antisyncretism 2 years ago
Umm you're claiming that atheism has no meaning because it is subjective rather than objective, which is not only false, but hypocritical, because your own world view is based off subjective belief of purpose. So, please not only learn to spell English but to comprehend it as well.
atheistchaos 2 years ago
You misunderstand me, im saying if atheism is true meaning is only subjectively invented in the mind and so doesnt exist.
If Christianity is true meaning is exterior of the mind (and so the imagination) and actually exists in the one who dictates what it is.
Antisyncretism 2 years ago
I would immedately fall off the sheer cliff of Nihilism and despair without Spongebob.
LoganStrain 3 years ago
I have a problem, lately, I dunno why, I've been thinking about life...
And came to the conclution that we are all in a rutine... why would we start things when we know they're gonna end, I hate this... I feel sad... and I'm only 16... what can i do? :S
originalgena 3 years ago
Not sure I'm really qualified to answer this, but since you ask, here's my two cents. First off, at 16 your brain is going through some major chemical adjustments and prolonged, inexplicable depression is quite normal. Most teenagers go through that. As for why start things when we know they're going to end, well, because they're worthwhile while they last. If they DIDN'T end, we would eventually come to take them for granted and resent them. Like I said, their finitude makes them precious.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
As for what you can do, there's a lot of options. Meditation has clinically proven results in helping depression. Keeping a journal of thoughts and feelings helps, too, it may allow you to make some sense out of your suffering. Trying to find more time to relish the things you really care about, the things that make you happy is good. The Beatles recomend getting by with a little help from your friends; find people who identify with your situation and open up to them.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
Ajam, it just happened suddenly... I don't know why, this might seem silly , but i was about to fail one subject on school... and i started to thinking, there's no problem if i fail... It won't make any difference when i'm older, or when i die... because i'll just be death...
originalgena 3 years ago
do u think that, those events could provoke a psychologic state of mind?....
originalgena 3 years ago
Not quite sure what you mean by 'a psychologic state of mind.' Could you elaborate?
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
I meant the condition I'm having, because I remember having something like this when i was a little boy, and i was scared of my parents to die... and didn't want that day to come... but some days after i forgot it...
I hope it happens the same with this condition
originalgena 3 years ago
If these don't help, or if your malaise seems like it's way too much, professional help might be a good idea. Talk therapy at first, and perhaps medication, but personally I would think of meds as a last resort (I think they tend to mask the problem, rather then deal with it, but sometimes masking is important.) Above all, take care of yourself. Hope this helped.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
and for some reason what so ever... it happens just at night... when it's day, I don't have any trouble, I'm fine as ussual, but there's a time at night when something clicks in my mind and gets me depressed... it might as well be, that i've been with these girl for 3 months, and she just left me one day to another, despite the fact that I've been waiting her for 1 month for her to do well on her exams...
originalgena 3 years ago
I think your mental framework is just a little off level.
While I'm largely a pessimist, that does not mean that you shouldn't enjoy things as much as possible.
I pose you the opposite question. Why would one start things when you know they'll never end? It renders any acts you do meaningless.
To use a shitty video game analogy. If you for some reason cheat and can never die, or get hurt, can you truly enjoy the game? I believe the enjoyment comes from what your able to do, while you can.
zerohoax 3 years ago
The topic reminds me of the movie quote from Troy by character Achilles.
"The Gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal, because any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again."
zerohoax 3 years ago
Yeah, I remember that line. Good one, thanks for the reminder.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
You're appear to be ignoring basic theological concepts. Making a distinction between "this life" and "the afterlife" is an artificial(but understandable) one. It is a conventionalism based on what is observable (organic life & death). Basic reading of Augustine and Aquinas would point that out rather quickly. Perhaps you should focus your assessment of religious ideas less on popular notions and more on the long established writings in the field such as the Summa or City of God (for example).
Billyothon 3 years ago
I've read the Summa, and the CoG (and the Confessions, On the Trinity, Monologium, and Proslogium, among others). Nothing I've seen in any of them (including the point you made) undermines my point. All that's needed for my argument to hold is (a) we survive the death of our physical body, (b) this posthumous existence is eternal and (c) this posthumous existence is paradisaical. (Strictly speaking, (c) is only necessary for some aspects of my argument, but (a) and (b) are necessary for all.)
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
With all due respect (& given your obvious intelligence, that's a good deal), I would ask why you choose to ignore the rather substantial error embodied in the assumption that there is some sort of dichotomy between current existence and existence post-physical life? It's all eternal, one great continuity. To say otherwise is to ignore the basics of Aquinas, Augustine & so on. As to current behavior affecting "subsequent" events, isn't that the nature of life? I gave your vid 5 stars btw.
Billyothon 3 years ago
I don't see the continuity of life as making the difference. Let's stop talking about the
'afterlife' and instead simply talk of 'this eternal life' and the argument still holds.
I appreciate the respect, and the rating. It's nice to have civil disagreements once in a while.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
You have a beautifully poetic delivery. An extremely well done video.
jason666king 3 years ago
Thank you, what a compliment!
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
"What we do in life echoes in eternity."
-Gladiator
TheIrrationalAtheist 3 years ago
""What we do in life echoes in eternity."
-Gladiator"
Depending how you read the quote it might as well argue for the atheists point of view. Only that our 'eternity' would be real and yours a myth made up by men.
infinit888 3 years ago
//Only that our 'eternity' would be real and yours a myth made up by men. //
Okay, I would like you to prove to me that life truly ends at the grave. Emperical evidence please.
TheIrrationalAtheist 3 years ago
"Okay, I would like you to prove to me that life truly ends at the grave. Emperical evidence please."
It surprises me that after all these discussions with atheists the theists still hasn't been able to grasp concepts like burden of proof. If the null hypothesis is not the default for anything that isn't falsifiable then everything nonfalsifiable I or anybody else for that matter can concieve of exists. Assinine!
infinit888 3 years ago
Absolutly one of my favorite quotes.
...and The Crow is a badass movie.
jameswiman 3 years ago
Hell yeah. Such a shame about Brandon, but at the same time, it's strangely poetic.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
That was a nice piece! much appreciated!
Paxmax 3 years ago
Thanks for saying so.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
This world is our schoolhouse. Our life does matter because we have to decide if everything is about me or if others are just as important as me. Each time we are reborn we start over, with a clean slate. Eventually we decide who we are and then we move on to the other 99.9% of what is out there.
rollsthepaul 3 years ago
I hope you're not saying that the ONLY thing that makes life matter is so we can decide if other people matter. If that's the case, then most people might as well die now, since I'm pretty sure most people would agree that other people do matter.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
Also, I don't think there are sunrises/moons/flowers in heaven, so I savor those things too. Heaven is a spiritual realm not a greedy materialist paradise for the morally depraved atheist.
mikecampochiaro 3 years ago
The fact that you consider the aesthetic sublime of a sunrise to be 'a greedy materialist' experience for the 'morally depraved' speaks volumes, and reinforces my point.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
If you watch a beautiful sunset, you can treasure the memory of that moment long after the sun has faded from the sky. If it was frozen for an eternity, it just becomes ordinary.
I'm sure that most of these people who look forward to eternal life don't really appreciate what eternity would mean.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Agreed, but then again perhaps none of us really appreciate (or can appreciate) what eternity means.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
I sat through Lord of the Rings II at the cinema. I have a pretty good grasp.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
All I know is it is really really long.
Mjhavok 2 years ago
Perfect.
Fatso1000100 3 years ago
As far as one word responses go, I'll take that. Thanks!
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
Great thoughts.
toaster939 3 years ago
I try my best.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
Beautiful. Well Done
Instant Favorite.
djosephallen 3 years ago
Thank you very much.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
I disagree with the content of your post, but gave it a thumbs up for it's expectation of recognizing thousands of christian sects, while adding on my own expectation of not realizing every other conceived, and yet to be conceived, human concept of meaning and life after death; or the lack thereof.
zerohoax 3 years ago
I gave it 5 stars for the organization and presentation but not the content.
mikecampochiaro 3 years ago
why not?
Knowntje 3 years ago
It's basically just a strawman he sets up to knock down. He also fails to recognize that there are thousands of different denominations of christianity and each believes something different. The video is basically a scripted oversimplification of a very complex topic, but he has some decent music and speaks well.
mikecampochiaro 3 years ago
Not sure whats wrong, my reply did not come trough.
Mikecampo: No i dont think this is a strawman in the sense you said.
In the context of this video different denominations of Christianity or any other religion don´t..well.. matter.
As long as ´afterlife´ is part of the doctrine.
This video, as far as i understand, is a respond to a typical strawman argument from believers: If there is no god or afterlife, how your life can matter? why there would be any purpose?
Good Video, added to favs
DonsonJack 3 years ago
You can't strawman a lack of a belief. :O And the nature and function of the "afterlife" is extremely relevant to the specific belief he lacks. So it does matter.
mikecampochiaro 3 years ago
It's obviously a complex topic, I don't suppose I'm going to settle millennia-old theological issue in five minutes. I'm just hoping to challenge the conventional wisdom on the topic.
But I wasn't trying to address just Christianity; I was targeting any religion that holds to a paradisaical afterlife.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
Well hopefully you will enable video responses so people can see my opinion on your nihilism.
mikecampochiaro 3 years ago
Disabling video responses is for bitches.
DickJohnson3434 3 years ago
How do you auto-enable acceptance?
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
I approved it. Still haven't figured out how to default to accepting them.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
It's weird bro. Ever since the new youtube update, you have to manually click on auto accept for every single video directly after you upload under the "edit video" feature. It didn't used to be like that. Confused the "hell" out of me first time it happened. I've never refused a video response despite this recent annoyance.
mikecampochiaro 3 years ago
It would cause him cognitive dissonance.
Mjhavok 2 years ago
Response inc. It's about as respectful as possible for me. Take it easy.
mikecampochiaro 3 years ago
I think that theists hide behind eternity to compensate for their dissatisfaction and failure in real life. Well, those that truly find comfort in the idea of eternity anyway. Good video.
LifeIsPietzsche 3 years ago
How can the idea of eternal peace/happiness not be comforting? While I do not ascribe to this belief, doesn't mean I don't see the comforting aspects that it can possess.
I'm sure if you thought about it you'd agree. I think you just wanted to take a jab at theists.
Even Mystery would admit that you're working "negging" too early. You need to open, neg, false time constraint, DHV, insult close.
Sorry had to throw a TV show reference in.
zerohoax 3 years ago
Well of course the idea would be comforting to anyone who could believe it. But if it is unbelievable then it is not comforting either.
LifeIsPietzsche 3 years ago
I'm most likely the only one who is going to get the "Mystery Theist Jab Gambit" I threw in there.
Tough crowd.
zerohoax 3 years ago
I actually don't find it comforting, I find it quite disturbing. To quote Stoppard again: "Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?"
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
Thanks. I don't doubt there are some theists for whom that is true, but I generally try to steer clear of that sort of psychoanalytic response, as it's too much of an ad hominem for my tastes. After all, even if that is why they cling to the idea of heaven, that neither proves that they are wrong, nor that they heaven wouldn't be a nice idea if it were real.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
I feel dirty for using this analogy, but the same is true for children and Santa Clause.
ugh, sorry for going all Dawkins man.
peace.
LifeIsPietzsche 3 years ago
Brilliantly well said! 5 stars.
QualiaSoup 3 years ago
I actually considered calling it "Heaven: An Excessive Punishment" and posting it as a reply to your video on hell. Ultimately I decided against it, since it wasn't quite accurate (I'm not saying heaven is punishment for life, but that it cheapens life, so...)
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
Of course, if we were to believe the words of certain people who are sure they're going there, some of the company in that imaginary place could /feel/ like punishment... ;^>
QualiaSoup 3 years ago
Personally I like the music, to those who are whining, Sisyphus is not Carson Daily, and his videos are not episodes of TRL.
One of my favorite youtube users/channels.
zerohoax 3 years ago
Thanks for saying so, both about the music, and the channel.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
*****
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
Apparently you're not the only one, as the initial low rating has been swamped in favor of a high one! Thanks!
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
absolutely fantastic and so true
Knowntje 3 years ago
Thank you for saying so.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
Very good video.
***** + favorited
FFreeThinker 3 years ago
Much obliged!
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago
2 star rating? Christians must be getting to this first.
acrimoneyius 3 years ago
I appreciate those who act as counter-agents.
SisyphusRedeemed 3 years ago