Fr. Dumitru Staniloae - Essence of Christianity

[mmordean]

E amuzant cum cineva, în lipsă de argumente, trage foaia lui "Nu discut cu un ateu".

De fapt, nu ar trebui să fie năucitor, ci normal, căci sportul se practică la scară mare. Cînd nu ne convine ceva, căutăm un mod de evitare... Pentru ca acesta să aibă succes, îi trebuie glamourul, gargara, sloganul pe măsură.

[...] Amănuntul neînsemnat că parcă altfel sună codul de comportament al dumnealor, cei superiori şi la sînul lui Dumnezeu - cu nefericitele oi ratacite....

[ioancasian]

@mmordean

Dragul meu, e pierdere de timp. Si la urma urmei nu eu am cautat aceasta discutie, dumneata te-ai bagat in seama pe canalul meu. N-are ce sa nu-mi convina, poti sa crezi in ce doresti, in nimic, intr-o vaca sau sobolan, sau sa-ti raspandesti credinta cu sabia (asta vis-a-vis si de afirmatia dumitale la alte religii). "Nu daţi cele sfinte câinilor, nici nu aruncaţi mărgăritarele voastre înaintea porcilor, ca nu cumva să le calce în picioare..."

[mmordean]

Trec peste faptul ca nu ar fi posibil dialog intre un credincios si un ateu.

Eu puneam problema ca nu e posibil nici dialogul intre un credincios de o anumita religie si un altul ca el, dar crezînd în alt Dumnezeu.

Stăniloaie ăsta şi cei ca el nu se gîndesc o secundă că poate altul gîndeşte diferit... Că poate îl interesează să-şi găsească el singur sensul vieţii - dacă o exista vreunul, bineînţeles.

[ioancasian]

@mmordean

Deci ce dialog ar trebui dus cu unii care, asa cum scriam, cred in sobolani, vaci, convertire prin sabie si "impliniri" cu zeci de virgine dupa moarte? "Staniloaie asta" macar a lasat ceva dupa el, "astia" de care lumea nu va mai sti dupa moartea lor...

"Reeducarea " de la Pitesti, care continua si astazi cu mijloace mult mai rafinate si mai eficiente, cu rezultatul evident intr-o generatie fara Dumnezeu, fara neam si incapabila sa mai intemeieze o familie, ateul perfect!

[mmordean]

@ioancasian

Există o îndeletnicire umană numită prestidigitaţie... Suceşti piesele cît să nu observe fraierul demersul tău principal. Bineînţeles în folos propriu.

Eu am întrebat prima dată o chestie simpla, clară.

Cum se face că fiecare credincios e convins că al lui cult ăla adevărat, nu celelalte zeci, sute, mii din lume - ce să mai spunem de argumentaţia ateilor.

[ioancasian]

@mmordean

Dragul meu, si eu ti-am raspuns la fel de clar, in limita celor 490 de caractere permise, dar dumneata continui sa te faci ca nu pricepi. Compara in ce cred diferitele religii si vei gasi un raspuns. Dar dumneata nu cauti un raspuns metafizic ci doar te bagi in seama pe acest canal. Cum poate intelege un ateu ceva legat de suflet? De rugaciune si de starile sufletesti ale rugaciunii, dragostei si smereniei? De aici si citatul pe care ti l-am dat din Biblie, nu vei intelege.

[ioancasian]

@mmordean

Si la fel de clar te-am intrebat ce dialog poti duce cu unul care crede, de exemplu, in sobolani? Eu zic sa te bucuri, astea-s vremurile ateilor, sunt la un pas sa-si indeplineasca visul, o societate de roboti spalati la creier, sclavii perfecti, fara nici un ideal decat cel material. Bucura-te, tinerii din jurul tau sunt mankurtii Noii Ordini...

[88sublunaire]

Yes ! Total agree. Thanks !

[tilemacro]

Care for this life that we know that exists and stop daydreaming about the next.

No one knows that the next life exists. None has come from the dead to tell us that it does.

Daydreaming about afterlife makes you stop caring for this one.

And this is the reason we dont live in a utopia.

[ioancasian]

@learnislam00

Quit spamming christian channels.

[Pilgrim1411]

Thank you.

[upinhere7]

Perhaps the greatest theologian I have ever read.

[ileanastan666]

Dumnezeu sa il ierte, unul dintre cei mai mari duhovnici care i-a avut Romania

[mmordean]

Fericit cel ce poate crede în ce spune omul ăsta aici...

Mi se pare o glumă...

De dragul confortului său interior, Stăniloaie nu emditează osecundă că e plină lumea de oameni fiecare convinşi că religia lor e cea adevărată!

[ioancasian]

@mmordean

Nu vad rostul acestui comentariu facut de un ateu. Vorba lui Tutea, discutia dintre un ateu si un credincios...

[MrArchangel7]

Thank u 4 posting him. How about posting him when he speaks about Trinity? (There he doesn't approach this sensible issue from the Bible, but for a philosphical point of view, indeed, and 4 guys like me, the Bible has to substantiate everything.) If you don't have the material, just tell me, I'll do my best to send it 2 u.

[fromromaniawitlov]

For who desn't know, father Staniloaie is Romanian.

[mujoshu]

This isn't something he learned from a book either. He knows it.

[79cristoff]

FATHER STANILOAE IS THE BEST EVER

[amotspheres]

The way I look at it the word may not be so much "after" as it is "beyond." Beyond this created universe w/c is made up of two basic elements: time & space. "Afterlife" still insists on continuance of one's time after death. No, perhaps one's alloted time in this universe is measured, finite. & the meaning of our finite existence is to see, here & now, the beyond or transcendent.

[moyga]

The purpose of this life is to go to the next one? *Face palm*

What is the purpose of the next life then?

Just because you think not having an afterlife would leave this life meaningless doesn't mean that there is an afterlife. You thinking life would be meaningless is nothing more than your sad and childish personal opinion. You're wasting your life. Its tragic. Fear plagues you with delusion. Reality is slipping through your fingers.

[orthodoxyordeath1453]

@moyga yes it is the purpose. to live forever in communion with our creator and God.

Quite frankly, if you don't have something nice or useful to say, don't say it.

[moyga]

@orthodoxyordeath1453

Whether what I said was useful or not is subjective.

[pataleatza]

Va iubesc parinte! Am invatat foarte multe din cuvintele dumneavoastra! Dumnezeu sa va dea odihna!

[JudithMatta]

READ Scriptures: St. James "Faith without works is DEAD"! and "Even the demons believe and tremble". Christ warns: "Many will say "Lord, Lord" ..but I do not know them". They did not OBEY Him. St. Peter writes: "[YOU]..Add virtue to Faith, knowledge in virtue, self-control in knowledge..brotherly affection..and love.." (2 Peter 1:5-7) We heal thereby our passions after we are forgiven. Zacchaeus' generosity healed his avarice, for instance; and the Gaderene's witness to Christ, to name two.

[lagi1964]

My whole life has been selfless...why do I have to suffer the pain of love for some one because society deems it wrong ?? every day I die that little bit more, because of my self sacrifice. God forgive me.

[miky151980]

dupa chipul tripartinic al lui Elohim, este interpretarea lui Augustin. Dar la Patrologia greaca gasesti nenumarate referinte la omul chip al Fiului, mai ales la parintii din epoca disputelor hristologice. Eu personal folosesc interpretarile parintilor mai ales cand predic. Sf. Simeon Noul Teolog vb chiar de un om chip al Duhului, etc. Ele sunt contextuale, evident.

[miky151980]

Un text poate avea mult mai multe interpretari si Domnul care proniaza toate, le poate face valabile pe toate.Teologii dau interpretari variate aceluiasi text, asa cum f bine se poate gasi o aplicatie contextuala si la viata personala a oricui in Dumnezeu, valabila doar ptr acela. Stiinta asta a interpretarii se numeste Hermeneutica. Dar interpretul autentic este cel care-L cauta pe Dumnezeu in curatie si smerenie, adica sfantul.

[miky151980]

Matei 22, 36-40, Iisus spune ca cea mai mare porunca este : Sa iubesti...etc. Paradoxal nu se gaseste in Legea lui Moise textul asta. Iisus citeaza un text care nu exista in Vechiul Testament. Deci interpretarea este alegorica. Asemenea si Matei 22, 41-46, David este parintele Domnului sau, Mesia, deci un text neinterpretat istoric sau literar/l, ci alegoric.

[miky151980]

Faptele conteaza.

Iacov 2, 17: Credinta fara fapte moarta este

Matei 25, 40 sau 45, Matei 23 unde ii mustra pe farisei ptr faptele lor erau rele. Daca faptele nu conteaza, de ce nu pot fi rele?

De ce nu pot trai dupa voia trupului meu patimitor? Ce rost are Judecata de Apoi daca faptele nu au rost? Ce rost are libertatea

omului, daca este mantuit exclusiv din decretul lui Dumnezeu?

[miky151980]

"omul este dupa chipul Fiului", adica se situeaza in raport cu Dumnezeu ca un fiu, implineste vointa Tatalui asemenea Fiului intrupat, respectiv urmeaza acelasi drum al asumarii libere a consecintelor pacatului stramosesc (crucea personala).

[777cata]

serios?

unde in Biblie scrie asta? spune-mi textul si cartea, te rog.

[777cata]

OMUL nu e "facut dupa chipul Fiului", ci dupa chipul lui Elohim(GOD-the trinity); omul cazut este RECREAT dupa chipul Fiului(CHRISTOS)- asta este altceva.

NU va lasati ademeniti de orice fel de invataturi, oricare ar fi ele. Cercetati Biblia si comparati.

Multi soun multe minciuni chiar din sutana si din biserica, din pacate.

[miky151980]

777cata, omul este dupa chipul Fiului" sub raport individual/ personal, iar sub raport colectiv, este "dupa chipul Sf. Treimi"("ca toti sa fie una, dupa cum Noi suntem Una"). Omul este dupa chipul lui Elohim, adica are ca destinatie comuniunea cu semenii, asemenea Persoanelor Sf. Treimi care sunt intr-o vesnica comuniune de iubire.

[777cata]

"("ca toti sa fie una, dupa cum Noi suntem Una"). --- te rog a nu mai scoti versete din context si sa le dai propria ta interpretare. este cea mai periculoasa metode de a cadea in erezie. nu uita ca cele mai aprigi erezii au venit din sanul bisericii de la oamenii care au "luat-o inaintea lui Dumnezeu".

Te sfatuiesc atunci cand interpretezi un verset sa o faci cu grija tinand cont de conextul istoric (si nu numai) in care a fost scris. Altfel vei ajunge la erezii asa cum multi au facut.

[777cata]

creat dupa chipul si asemanarea lui Elohim inseamna ca omul a fost asezat pe pamant ca reprez. al lui D.

omul, la fel ca si D.(trinitatea) este o fiinta tripartita(spirit suflet trup). Ca si D. omul poseada intelect, o natura morala, comunica, creaza, etc.

Omul este un inchinator.

Nu uita ca ("ca toti sa fie una, dupa cum Noi suntem Una") se refera la credinciosi, nu si la necredinciosi acestia neavand cum sa fie una cu Tatal deoarece ei resping pe Fiul.

Fii f. atenta cand dai explicatii

[777cata]

there is a mistake: SALVATION is not to be earned by our good deeds, but accepted as a GIFT from God by His grace alone!

IF u try to earn your way to heaven and not receiving as a GIFT, u`ll lose it by trying to work it out.

[miky151980]

God is love, He ever done gifts, He done anything. But Salvation depend on us, on our deeds, exclusively. God ever wants to save man, more wants people. Nobody is working in out, so Hamlet: to work or not to work.

[777cata]

SALVATION IS NOT THE WORK OF MAN FOR GOD, BUT THE WORK OF GOD FOR MAN.

Do u even read the Bible? if u do, then tell me, where u found out that salvation depend on man, please...

[777cata]

"But Salvation depend on us, on our deeds, exclusively" - that`s not what the Bible says. that is heresy!!!

read the Bible.

[avantibarbari]

That's funny, no one here said that either. Are you arguing with yourself?

[ciork]

Trebuie sa cunosti teologia ortodoxa, mantuirea da se capata, dar daca nu ai roada nu o primesti, vezi si apostolul pavel vorbeste despre mantuire ca o cununa primita la capatul alergarii, Mantuitorul zica ca mantuirea se ia prin straduinta mantuirea e impreuna lucrare a credintei, harului lui Dumnezeu si materializarii credintei prin fapte, tu crezi intr-o mantuire juridica noi intr-una in care-L rezidim pe Dumnezeu in noi

[ciork]

pavel vorbea despre mantuirea in sensul de salvare si primirea recompensei, a cununei slavei la sfarsitul alergarii, mantuirea prin fapte e specifica lumii catolice, cea juridica, prin justificare lumii protestante, mantuirea ortodoxa este privita ca o conlucrare a omului cu harul lui Dumnezeu, o rezidire a chipului celui dintai dat omului, Dumnezeu ne mantuieste dar noi nu suntem pasivi, avem niste reguli de urmat niste porunci de indeplinit niste semeni de iubit si ajutat

[22silviu]

An extraordinary MAN

[Vlahia2008]

Amen, brother Elia. Thank you for your words.

[EliaHoreftaris]

Fr. Dumitru Staniloae,

is one of the greatest theologians

of modern day Christianity!

"Christ is Risen, my love" (St.Serapheim Sarov)

trully,

into The Light.

[HonourTheHolyOne]

Life only has meaning when we live for the Father. Life is pointless without Gods salvation.

[carnunicoleta]

It is absolutely marvelous. There is so much truth in what he says. We really need to find a purpose for our lives otherwise all we do and think and feel it is pointless.

[Philos2006]

As I said, enjoy your fantasy, as long as you don`t hurt anybody. Peace !!

[brothermuslim1984]

return to Allah, the only true God. worship Allah alone. He's the only God deserving to be worshipped. there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger. Become practicing Muslim today. Commit to Islam, the only perfect way of life. attain salvation and Allah's Mercy in acceptance of Islam. there is no other way but Islam

[C14radioactiv]

:)) allah is a God? where? when? how?

[brothermuslim1984]

return to Allah, the only true God. worship Allah alone. He's the only God deserving to be worshipped. there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger. Become practicing Muslim today. Commit to Islam, the only perfect way of life. attain salvation and Allah's Mercy in acceptance of Islam. there is no other way but Islam

[C14radioactiv]

very true God without...existence :))

[brothermuslim1984]

"1.Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2.Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3.He begets not, nor is He begotten; 4.And there is none like unto Him" (Qur'an 112:1-4)."To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing." (2:115)

[brothermuslim1984]

"He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do." (Qur'an 57:4)

[C14radioactiv]

He it is who created the world with His Word-Jesus Christ the Son of God. Glory to the Holy Trinity!

[brothermuslim1984]

O People of the Book!Commit no excesses in your religion:Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was(no more than)a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him:so believe in Allah and His messengers.Say not "Trinity": desist:it will be better for you:for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him:(far exalted is He)above having a son.( Qur'an 4:171)

[brothermuslim1984]

To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.(Qur'an 4:171 con't)

[jerezoloroso]

my only question is: how can you be so sure that you're right? My suggestion is: keep on practicing what you've learned to practice since your childhood, and let the others practice their way of life. The troubles start when, instead of minding your own salvation, you claim to know better what the others OUGHT to do. Be concerned to have an authentic relation with the true living God (no matter how you call Him in your language) and this will make you have a better relation with other persons!

[jerezoloroso]

I guess that's the wonderful lesson that Fr. Staniloae is teaching us. Brother, you sound a little pathetic with your stereotyped phrases repeated here with so much confidence. How can you be so sure that you're right? Keep to your faith sincerely, in a spirit of love towards all human beings, and maybe God will give you the gift of understanding. Make sure you're not just repeating some void phrases, without engaging with what they involve. God loves intelligent people, I'm sure about that.

[brothermuslim1984]

I'm sure that Islam is the only right religion. Qur'an is a Miracle Book. I read bible and believe me there is a huge difference between the two. part of my religion is to propagate it. Qur'an could not be word of men. it's a fact that bible was written by over 40 men. it makes it word of men and not God. why don't u believe in the Qur'an the last testament ? instead of believing in book written by people.

[jerezoloroso]

Unfortunately, you didn't really pay attention to my words, and just keep rehearsing old stuff. I ask you: "how can you be so sure?" and you answer: "I'm sure". Well, how can you convince one with such an answer and with unsophisticated theological claims? I truly believe you're sincere in your faith, I admire you for that, and hope that God will grant you salvation precisely for this reason. Again, it's a pity that you don't really want to engage in a true dialogue with non-Muslim people.

[brothermuslim1984]

why don't u just compare Islam to other religions and u will see that islam is the truth. Qur'an is word of God, and bible is written by humans, just to begin with. i can prove u that bible is not God's book. compare concept of God in Islam and other religions. compare prophethood in Islam and others. every Qur'an in the world is the SAME, but there r 24000 different versions of bible. protestant bible has 66 books, catholic 73. big difference.

[jerezoloroso]

I'm happy that you're so confident and on the right track to heaven. I myself prefer to be "mistaken" with my Christ :)

Again, it's sad that we have a "dialogue" of the deaf people here. Everyone is blissfully talking past each other :)

Hey, can you say something unrelated to religion? How are you today? Do you have other concerns in life? Stuff like that...

[brothermuslim1984]

we believe in Jesus as a Prophet. We believe in Jesus more than u do. we give him a proper status, status that Allah gave him. we do not worship him coz he never said anyone to do so. and he never said that he's God. if u don't believe me read ur own bible. maybe it's a dialogue of deaf people here. that's exactly how Allah described those who reject the faith of Islam.

[brothermuslim1984]

"The likeness of those who disbelieve ( in relation to the messenger ) is as the likeness of one who calleth unto that which heareth naught except a shout and cry . Deaf , dumb , blind , therefore they have no sense ."(Qur'an 2:171)"Beautified is the life of the world for those who disbelieve ; they make a jest of the believers . But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them on the Day of Resurrection . Allah giveth without stint to whom He will ." (Qur'an 2:212)

[Philos2006]

brothermuslim1984; Your religion is FANTASY. Just like any other religion. If you have the perfect fantasy, enjoy it, but it`s still fantasy.

[brothermuslim1984]

2.212 . Beautified is the life of the world for those who disbelieve ; they make a jest of the believers . But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them on the Day of Resurrection . Allah giveth without stint to whom He will .

[Philos2006]

brothermuslim1984: Ths maggots are waiting for you. They don`t discriminate between christians or muslems or jews. All our brains taste the same to them.

In the meantime, enjoy your alledgedly perfect fantasy.

[brothermuslim1984]

Qur'an has amazing facts about creations such as that universe is expanding, that sun is source of light and moon is reflector, that all life is created from water, that saltwater and freshwater do not mix, about embryon, etc. i can send u all list of amazing facts from the Qur'an. this could not be written 1400 years ago by illiterate Prophet Muhammad (saws). just read the Qur'an and u will see the light of truth.

[brothermuslim1984]

Allah challanges people to create even 1 chapter like the one in the Qur'an and in 1400 years nobody succeeded. nobody can imitate Qur'an. Bible and other books r only stories for bedtime, a fairy tales. there is some truth in the bible but majority is written and corrupted by people. in 1400 years Qur'an stayed the same. not even 1 letter was added or subtructed. bible was changed multiple times and none knows authentic one.

[brothermuslim1984]

by God, if u seek the truth and if u r sincere to urself and not ignorant, u will find that Islam is the only truth. if u analize all religions and all books and if u truly want to be guided i am 100 % sure that u will find islam as the best religion. u can go and search any religion but if u r sincere u will find that ur heart will not be content until u accept islam.

[bayreuth79]

So, by your own understanding, anyone who has studied Islam throughly and has not come to the conclusion that it is the 'true religion' must therefore be insincere? This is nonsense. People of all religions make the same claim for their own religion. The Mormons, who are somewhat similar to muslims, make a similar claim about their religion. They too have a book- the book of Mormon- which, if it is not revelation, was written by an simple farm boy. It puzzles scholars. Is Mormonism true too?

[brothermuslim1984]

if mormon sincerely want to be guided he would study islam and eventually accept it.

[marylili10]

Are you the one who "has studied Islam throughly and has not come to the conclusion that it is the 'true religion'" ?

[marylili10]

Are you the one who "has studied Islam throughly and has not come to the conclusion that it is the 'true religion'" ?

[petrichanin]

Great person!

[johnnysatnoboy]

one of the greatest theologians and christian thinkers of our times.Read his books. Many are translated in English

[easteneuropean]

What a wonderful priest. Well done said!!

[paslushnik]

Doamne ajuta!

[moftngiu]

Doamne ajuta!

[akroatis]

This is brief, but stimulating. The features of Fr Staniloae's face are enough to provoke a sense of profound respect for this deep man!