George Delk pendulum replication by Anand Aadhar

[leighstephens74]

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[antwankinney1231]

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[WarzSchoolchild]

@Anand ~ Re:-George Delk contration, artistic deception IS!?! a possibility, in UK tradition "Innocent till proved guilty" is the foundation stone of our Justice System.... One face N-S chart magnets and push-pull rods might allow the pendulum to be sequentially 'attracted' (S to N) then repelled (N-S to N-S) allowing the pendulum to receive a 'pull-push' force by the dropping chart-magnet. likewise at the top, a 'pull' is overcome by 'pendulum-leverage'??? of the 'drop-magnet's initial 'pull'?

[WarzSchoolchild]

Anybody wishing to make the "Lazy Susan" that I describe below, from 'flexible magnetic sheet' . First look at the cog wheel of a clock escapement, then cut acute triangles (allowing the magnetic N-S-N-S stripes to form 'concentic' circles. Have the 'rotor' cog incline in one direction with a tripple-prime number of teeth, and use a different tripple-prime stator, inclined counter to the rotor. A needle at the center. The slightest angular momentum prevents the wheel from attaining stability.

[anandaadhar]

@WarzSchoolchild I don't see any Lazy Susan at your account, just thé chaos pendulum drums, but interesting yes.

[WarzSchoolchild]

@anandaadhar ~ I bought a video camera, inserted the CD and it disabled by Sony Laptop's software! I can't even play DVDs! My mistake for not buying a SONY/Microsoft compatible camera! I used a circular glass platter on a hardwood circular base. The 'rest=point' is in 'unstable equilibrium' so eveb a slight nudge will get it going. but not run for more than a few minutes. I suspect the PM (ART?) machine uses ferrite 'chart' magnets, N & S on one face. The push rods may be critical to operation?

[anandaadhar]

@WarzSchoolchild The Delk design is flawed, a magnetic rotor is needed as also a centrifugal intertial oscillator. The complete is more than sum of parts. Thus define the operation of universal time.

[WarzSchoolchild]

@anandaadhar ~ Have you seen Professor Walter Lewin's lecture "The Complete Breakdown of Intuition" ? When he gave the lecture there were professors of electical engineering from MIT etc. After the demonstration they accused Walter Lewin of cheating! ...Walter is an HONEST man!...This is why The Royal Society Motto is "On The Word Of No Man" ( watch?v=1bUWcy8HwpM ) this is Part 2.. Theory is fine, but only 'experiment' can validate it. (We now know that the speed of light is no longer absolute!)

[anandaadhar]

@WarzSchoolchild Yes experiment is decisive, theory is just SF in this department until something is confirmed by replicable experiment. The best way to humble the arrogant mind and ego. You can see this all around. especially phsycists should realize how much they do not know.

[WarzSchoolchild]

This is NOT a replication! It is not even close to a replication! A genuine replication would NOT alter the design! Which might be critical. How far are the bottom magnets lifted? nowhere near! That may constitute fraud? what about the top pair of magnets on the cantilever beams. Why are they so different? What distance separates them? A lot of wasted effort! because we are left none the wiser! The original claim may or may not be bogus? this travesty of perverse pseudo-replication sucks!

[anandaadhar]

@WarzSchoolchild Anyone doing it better is welcome.....

[WarzSchoolchild]

@anandaadhar John Harrison (24 March 1693 – 24 March 1776) The Clockmaker who attempted to win the Longitude Prize (today worth millions!) encountered problems when he subcontracted work to other horologists. To win the prize he had to demonstrate that a mass produced clock would keep accurate time. Sadly he was denied the prize, despite meeting the specifications in sea trials. Land trials with replica clocks were below spec, and the Astronomer Royal declared his earlier success pure luck!

[anandaadhar]

@WarzSchoolchild Okay let me see you doing it better!

[WarzSchoolchild]

@anandaadhar ~ I personally think you have advanced knowledge with your design, failure is not a defeat!

The only way to prove trickery, would be an exact replication from engineering drawings. (IF? they were provided) I have built a magnetic "Lazy Susan" that will run for a few hours, essentially a magnetic bearing made from flexible magnetic sheet, cut into acute triangles in tripple-alternate-prime configuration. The bearing slows rapidly one way, but rotates freely the other way. A puzzle?

[manuelo280]

So that your replication project works, you must separate it in two systems with distinct impedances Z1, Z2 with the expression of energy: E = V ². t / Z with the variation of energy: deltaE # (Z1 / Z2-1) . E as approximative value. And without magnet under the base.

[GlobalCop]

Dude, get a damn tripod or hold fucking still.

[yegreskin]

Of course it's an illusion. George's system is a very attractive work of art. You can see the typical magician's trick of using a thick base where the real clockwork can be hidden. No need for someone behind the curtain moving a magnet. The movement is way too precise to be done by hand. The precise timing also is a give-away. If it were perpetual, the machine is perfectly tuned; every pivot point, weight, and slide. If lubricant reduced any friction, the machine would begin a runaway.

[apo115]

aw man you got my hopes up in the beginning.

[bargainsbob]

You got it wrong!!!, If you look at the original real close, the feedback magnets don't

even start to move until the pendulum comes to a stop. Otherwise the feedback magnets will

tend to stop the pendulum intsead of maintainin its moton. They also move quickly,

therefore inputting more energy.

[anandaadhar]

@bargainsbob I hope you are right, because I still see no reason why the machine shouldn't rest in the middle position.....

[CriticCafeteria]

@anandaadhar

also having it upside down would alter the phsyics

[WarzSchoolchild]

@bargainsbob Good observation Bob, I suspect, but can't be sure? that round 'Notice-Board Magnets" were used. I have plenty of them in a tin. They have little flux on the back, and both "N" & "S" poles on the front. half & half so as to increase adhesion. If this is so? Mathematical analysis is a nightmare! The pendulum will be attracted at first, then a sharp transition to 'push'. as like-poles align. BTW. The force of attraction/repulsion approximates to the 'cube' of distance separation!

[w1z13]

You can say it's fake if you build a exact replica, but I see here you didn't. The low magnets on the sides are attached to a lever and their amplitude isn't great enough. I'd give the "guillotine construction" quite more chance than what you've build. It's still a nice try but not good enough to put any conclusions on it, if I have the tools and materials I'll give it a try too.

[anandaadhar]

I have tried to rmedy this, but that was of no avail. You try indeed. I don't believe in it anymore.

[johnnytheprick]

@anandaadhar

like others have pointed out, your design is not an exact replica. also, during your demonstration i noticed changes in momentum whereas the other video shows constant movement, no variation in the pendulums swing.

[stefb2005]

what would happen if you put a magnet on the base of the pendulum and another opposing that magnet so it cant stop at the bottom of its swing ?

[anandaadhar]

The pendulum would stop before the middle..

[anandaadhar]

If it is kinetic artwork, and thus a fake PM, there is no other theory behind it than deceiving the spectator. Art is the mastery of illusion. And I tell clearly why I think it cannot work: there is equilibrium of force in the middle, thus it stops there unless kept out of balance with a hidden magnet disturbing the equilibrium. Thus the way of creating this illusion is revealed.

[Texmurphy51]

Who could believe this thing actually works in the first place? Seems this stuff only works in videos not when inspected by experts.

[dino65dino]

The weight of your pendulum is way out of proportion to the power of your magnets. Your "guillotines" don't move in the proper way either.

There are many structural and design flaws with this setup.

You should really try to duplicate the exact design of Delk's as closely as possible.

Just because you built something that doesn't work, does not prove that George Delk's setup is a fake.

[xtom1973]

happy to see you back with a good and interesting video!

[User2718218]

The original clip can be faked too easily. There is a pick-up coil, a transistor, a power coil and a battery under the table. It's just a variation on a Bedini motor drive system where the drive coil is turned on at top dead center so that the pendulum gets a small push in both directions.

Therefore there is an electronic version of your holding a magnet in your hand to pulse the motor.

[User2718218]

In your case you have a magnet on either side of the main pendulum weight. You could make a very sensitive pick-up coil and put it under your wooden base and design the electronics to fire a driver coil. You could then do a "full replication" and demonstrate exactly the same thing as George.

If you tweak the system just right a single D cell could probably power the device for a few days or weeks.

[anandaadhar]

By George! Well George doesn't confirm that of course. He says he is engaged in making another one with neodymium magnets...but as I said., only replication will prove his claim true or false, not anything else. That is the problem, this kind of commitment obliges to check claims like this. We can't afford to overlook one.

[Mopozco]

Thks for confirmation, Anand.

Seems we see another Mylow hoax...

[PESNetwork]

Though this replication resembles George Delk's, there are some significant differences as I see it. The vertical magnet movement on the two sides is too linear. In Delk's device, they have more of a dropping action, with rapid lifting. In Anand Aadhar's replication those mechanisms have much less movement and speed of getting into/out of place. Nice try, but I wouldn't consider this a sufficiently close replication to be able to merit a label of "proof" that Delk's device is phony.

[anandaadhar]

Sure, you are right, I think I can do better, but the fact is that the system is symmetrical, and that leads always to a stall in the middle, irrespective of what the left and right levers do or what the strength of the magnets would be.... The system might work if one implements a setup that keeps it out of the middle while this pendulum wants to rest there... but stays hyper-reactive to input... You pursue the path of giving Elk the benefit of the doubt, fine. That is your duty. Each his task.

[Texmurphy51]

Build one yourself and then you will have your proof.

[123sakhya]

It is important and necessary to rid speculation by trying to make a simulation in due time. In this case one from George Elk. Dont't want to meditate on fakers. There is too much at stake here. Thanks for clearing up.

[Kntryhart]

A lot of work to come up dry! Nice effort and explanation.