Check this dance from Northern Ivory Coast (West Africa). So many of the moves are remeniscent of the ones typical of Capoeira.. (rabo de arraias, macaco, etc...)
the only thing brazilian copeira is the ginga. the kid in this clip actually got it wrong...i was a martial art that the portugese didnt want the slaves to practice so they made it look like a dance so they could keep it up...came from angola with the slaves point blank
Mestre Cobra Mansa went to Angola several years ago and showed the locals the Art form he mastered. They had no idea what he was doing. Capoeira Angola didn't "come from" Angola, but it has some of its roots in that country. Capoeira is through and through Brazilian.
@travisross1 the only thing brazilian copeira is the ginga. the kid in this clip actually got it wrong...i was a martial art that the portugese didnt want the slaves to practice so they made it look like a dance so they could keep it up...came from angola with the slaves point blank
@jo1ao2zinho that is really interesting what you said about northern brazil.I'm American, My parents are from west africa Cameroon, and I just learned that brazilians eat fried akra beans like west african, and has a strong yoruba culture from nigerian slaves. Have you ever heard of Mami Wata or Yemanja?
@jo1ao2zinho mans thats cool as hell lol yea cameroonians call it koki beans. And we don't really celebrate iemaja aka mami wata because in african culture she is considered a demon princess.
@jo1ao2zinho yea i was told that the myth was that she attracts fisherman and out to the sea, but becareful lol anyway its all african spirituallity/mystisism. I love how there is a link between us and you brazilians as far as culture and your ancestors.
Most of the slaves brought to Brazil were taken from Angola, but do black brazilans consider themseleves Angolan. People of Portugese, italian and germain decent acknowledge their ancestry but black brazilians are ashamed of it from what brazilians tell me.
@wilsalvn actually Northern Brasil received slaves from west and central Africa, which is why in my part of the country culturally we have more in common with nigeria, congo, cameroon and so fourth, southern and south central and eastern regions received slaves from Angola and Mocambique, and distance played a major role Northern Brasil is closer to West and Centro Africa, Southern Brasil is closer to Southern Africa.
@wilsalvn The Portuguese were less racist in Brasil, they tolerated African and Indigenous culture, whereas the english colonist in the United States were extremely racist, which is why African and indigenous culture was despised and dismissed as savage culture and primitive. Which is why many Afro-Americans have an extreme level of hate and disgust at African culture and tend to culturally fell they are anglo.
@jo1ao2zinho i agree with you 100 % the Portuguese and even the French and Spanish were not as cruel as the English that is why people of African descent in Brazil other parts of South America and even the Carribean still hold on to African rituals and some even speak dialect traced back to Africa where as African Americans lost much of their African rituals
@wilsalvn that is so strange that you would say that...it think its pretty common in lots of latin american countries. when i went to the dominican republic i had a strange feeling...as a black man it was the same feeling i get when i small white towns...hard to explain...but very real...you can almost feel the racism coming from some people..not all but lots of people just gave me the vibe that they didnt like me...come to find out most of them deny their african heritage as well..
HERE IN BRAZIL - The name "Capoeira Angola" was given after the emergence of Capoeira Regional, because the capoeira community at that time was not happy about the changes made by Mestre Bimba, and felt it was necessary to separate capoeira into two different styles.
typical another media spin and rewrite history. Fact is (for years) capoeira is created by slaves who've been brought by Portuguese, French, British and Dutch slave traders to work in the north eastern area of the nation what we call today Brazil. Capoera thus is an Brazilian invention (with african roots)..not Angolan, because the slaves came also from other african nations.
@nickfl1980 No not exactly the Portuguese focused on that Area because the other European nations had northern Africa controlled so it very well could have been from that Area beingt that traditions like that weren't carried on anywhere else. Just a thought
@blueiguy1 you didn't read what I typed. Not only the Portuguese focused on that Area what is the State of Bahia today. Read more history books. Another fact is, if you read more history books, not only the Portuguese focused on the area what we know as Angola, they were the number one, but fact is..also the Dutch, English and French slave traders where busy there "trading", though they were the minority.
Brasil has so many things African, culturally and socially, but Brasil has always been historically ashamed of its African heritage, which is why many in Brasil get mad when they find out so much of our culture is African. Samba is Angolan, capoeira is Angolan, acaraje is Nigerian, so much food, religion, dance, even words in Brasilian Portuguese is African. So right on Angola!!!
@jo1ao2zinho Sad but true. I just don't understand why would some blacks here deny what makes them civilized. I've read a book of the secret martial art called yuna onse (Kicking and knocking) in America. It emerged in the Carolinas. This is the same art that rooted out the Charleston dance which turned into our modern day break dancing. I've seen whites trying to claim it as a Euro -Asian dance borrowed by blacks. I'm like WTF?
@TheBanditghettoninja yeah very true, but you should have hope, because when more black become educated and stop treating others like them better, rather then let the lingering effects of centuries oppression remain which divided blacks then there can be hope.
@jo1ao2zinho False, another misinformed Brazilian. Samba isn't Angola and neither is capoeira. Capoeira has African roots, meaning from continent Africa (different areas from Africa). Samba is a mix of European and African, that's a fact.
@nickfl1980 Oh, ok since your the leading authority of all history on earth I guess I am wrong . Secondly,you don't know me or what I know. Thirdly , I could GAF its just an interesting martial art.
@blueiguy1 false again, never claimed or never act as if I am the leading authority of all history on earth. Nice try to that you're trying hard to add comments here that I ever typed or having that idea in my head (thinking that I am the leading authority of all history). I do not care who you are, you don't matter, neither who I am matters here, what does matter are facts. If you don't GAF, stop typing BS, you only make a fool out of yourself.
@nickfl1980 First off the "leading authority" comment was a joke. Secondly instead of offering a real source and allowing other people to expand on your knowledge you opted for childish pretension that offered no value to my original comment. If you really claimed to know the information you could have explained your side more to allow future viewers to explore the art more. Quite frankly you come of as pompous which stifles good debate.
@nickfl1980 actually you misinterpreted with what i was saying, Brasil always is ashamed with its African past and the contribution of African people, capoeira is African you just do not want to acknowledge that a form of fighting originated from the continent of Africa. As someone who is Brasilian i am expressing what is true, your just misinterpreting what i said because my knowledge of english is not that great ha ha!!
It's sad that's the case, I heard this from black brazillians. I did a DNA heritage test and found out my heritage was from Angola, so I started looking up on youtube everything Angolan & came across this. I am a black american and it's hard to trace our ancestry But for black brazilians it's easy because it's a real good chance ancestory is from Angola or Mozmabique, since over 90% of the slaves were taken from Angolan went to Brazil. Only about less than 10% went to the US.
@ianedwards19 That is a dumbass analogy! How can you compare the two? Everyone associates baseball with the U.S. (not America, dumbass). So it doesn't matter where else in the world it is played. The U.S. is already credited. However, Angola is not automatically associated with capoeira as it should be!!!...unfortunately, Brazil is!!
@Tubedoll i agree, it's funny how many whites despise and fear blacks, but they want to imitate, copy, and disrespect black culture, even claiming that its their own lol.
@Tubedoll and it's also funny how many whites like hip hop, and rap as if its for them, but yet they will go on ranting about how criminal and bad blacks are lol
@jo1ao2zinho It just makes you understand why the martial art here in America is highly secretive. Look whats going on with its Brazilian cousin, capoeira. It ain't gonna be long before Europe and Asia sells out Africa's land right along with it's culture.
No one knows where capoeira actually came from. It could have originated in Angola under the name of ngolo. But then again there are many African arts identical to the ngolo or totally different with the same acrobatic potential that gave birth to it. My point is today we know it as a brazilian art and we should respect that. Capoeira wasn't showed to Angolans to "GIVE IT BACK," but to call on the mother, Ngolo. To reconnect and show Africans that they can do better than this.
@TheBanditghettoninja These are Angolans writing their history and ngolo is part of their heritage why should Brazilians get upset? If the root of Capoeira is in ngolo and however the other Africans call theirs why should they be silent? Africa has been quiet for too long while outsiders write and rewrite our history twisting the facts to please them - But no more. If it has African roots we will say it.
@vibrantkitty1 I believe we are on the same page my friend. The point is Africa has been silent for to long. And it is very frustrating the world wants to keep them that way. Ngolo was one of its large influences as well as any afro latin culture was influenced . Its very upsetting that many of those in latin America hate to admit where stuff like this came from. Not just some who are white but sadly black as well. Look at the Dominicans of african heritage.
@vibrantkitty1 I also like to add from reading your previous comments that Africa did influence Brazil. Like the Yoruba religion still practiced there is more pure than it is in Africa. If capoeira wasn't influenced by ngolo then capoeira did come from Africa. Without the seed there will be no roots.
@TheBanditghettoninja ninjawarrior LOL. Do you think influence is a stronger tide than roots? For example, W. Africa has arab influence- (Islam), but we do not arab roots. Influence is to have an effect, while roots- is to be part of. That's why I keep stressing roots instead of influence- but I may be wrong. You don't want the Yoruba people to hear you say that Yoruba religion in brazil is more pure than theirs- they will call the god of calamity upon your head LOL. I don't want trouble OO LOL
@vibrantkitty1 I agree with you . But it is true. Colonization really fuck up Africa and some of the Africans culture s are mixed with some influences of Europe. But what surprised me is the yoruba in Brazil were able to hold their traditions even under the opressed force of slavery. Again i agree with you and I will not mention that again.
@negozumbi Angola was influenced by portugal so they speak portuguese. Brazil was not influence by Africa. Brazil culture has some (Congo, Angola, Mozambique and W. African) ROOTS. You mentioned your history being sang. You know that's a W. African tradition? Yeah the singers are known as Griots! Congolese are the ones who specializes in incorporating animal movement in their dance- their latest Ndombolo i'm not sure -has to do with the bamboo- Interesting right? you live and learn. i will email
@negozumbi Angola was influenced by portugal so they speak portuguese. Brazil was not influence by Africa. Brazil culture has some (Congo, Angola, Mozambique and W. African) ROOTS. You mentioned your history being sang. You know that's a W. African tradition? Yeah the singers are known as Griots! Congolese are the ones who specializes in incorporating animal movement in their dance- their latest Ndombolo i'm not sure -has to do with the bamboo- Interesting right? you live and learn.
@pretoveio9 History again! You guys need to do your home work before saying stuff. Caporira's seed is brazilian. So because I'm black my seed is african, or I'm not Brazilian?! think again
@negozumbi What is Black? and yes your original DNA is from Africa no matter how you look at it. Brazilian is a name for a type of people who culturally represent a country newly formed 500 years ago. Africa, or what the Europeans call Africa and now like unknowledged puppies we co-sign to, however is the cradle and birthplace of the entire Human race. Capoeira, or what we call capoeira is an entity bigger then is even the name itself. It is the link that brings people together given by GOD.
@feijao7 You didnt get my point! Read again and try to make understand! I agree with what you said apart of when you talk about capoeira again. Beautiful words but still Brazil, using your words, is the birth place of capoeira, regardless of where the mother or father came from ( creators ), it was born in Brazil!
@negozumbi Hey man I'm not saying that Braizilian is not the birthplace of capoeira. All my point was in the beggining is that we cannot deny the roots of it. For that we must always refer to Capoeira as an Afro-Brazilian culture. We can never forget where it's origins are because if we do that then we forget what it's purpose truly is. The world needs capoeira at the moment but we cannot let it be taken from it's roots, it's culture, and it's history.
@feijao7 Never forgotten and we sing in our songs, We still wear the colors, we use it proudly as a flag by displaying it with all the vigor it's memory deserves! Never forgotten. But the birth place of capoeira is Brazil.
@feijao7 Quando eu venho de Luanda eu venho so. Eu fui preso a traição, trazido na covardia, e se fosse luta honesta, ninguém me trazia. Na pele eu troce a noite, na boca brilha o luar, trango a forca e a magia, presente dos Orixas. Quando eu venho de Luanda, eu venho so, quando eu venho de luanda, eu venho so. Trago ardendo nas costas o peso dessa maldade, trago acuando no peito, oh, um grito de liberdade, e grito de raça nobre, grito da raça guerreira, e grito da raca negra, grito do capoeira.
@chsn09 It seems to me that this is a historical fact that Capoeira was developed in Brazil. There is no place in Angola where some native dance or martial art can recall Capoeira and I never saw any historical document which appoints that Capoeira was developed in Angola. It was indeed, was taken to Angola by Brazilian masters who taught Angolans The Same Way They have taught people all over the world.
There aren't any real historical facts about capoeira as a whole. It's all kind of hear say. That's because the Brazilian government tried to snuff it out remember. That is why Mestre Bimba Created the regional fight of Bahia (capoeira Refional). Capoeira or N'gola before it came to the west was a dance but it is now a fight. So tell me what is the point of arguing? Do you not play capoeira? Do you like capoeira? Why can't someone else like it too.
@feijao7 I'm thankful for the color of my skin, as i'm thankful for my strong muscle DNA composition, my white teeth. But i cant thank the Africans for the life i live or the history born after they arrived in Brazil. Get the point?!
Once again it came over with the Africans who aren't just from angola by the way as a right of passage dance. Only the word ORIGINATED in Brazil. The berimbau is not a Brazilian instrument. Acaraje is and African food. Half of the words in the Brazil portuguese language are African words. Wake up.
It's funny you mentioned the berimbau as not being Brazilian. Some years back I was watching 'Siddis' from India perform in the US. Their version of the berimbau is called molongo. The only difference between the 2 is the molongo does not have the gourd at the base of the staff. Siddis ancestry originates from the Eastern portion of African.
@feijao7 Sorry, don't mean no disrespect, but you need to do your home work bro! "it came over with the Africans who aren't just from angola by the way as a right of passage dance. Only the word ORIGINATED in Brazil" = This is ignorance! I just hope you're not Brazilian, and if you are, no offense, but maybe you didn't learn from the write books! Home work
@negozumbi Hey man did I say that it was strictly from Angola? If I did then forgive me for that one. Even I know that most of the Slaves brought from Africa were from more inland then from the coast, which was why it was so easy for them to get the slaves out. And no I am not Brazilian. I am From Brooklyn. And yes the word "capoeira did originate in Brazil. It is a Tupi (native Brazilin) word that hey say means a circular space of grass that grows in the forest somewhere.
Capoeira was developed in Brazil and had many contributions of African origin, mainly from Angola, with its "Dance of the Giraffe", but also from the Brazilian Indians. Supporters of two distinct styles, Mestre Bimba and Mestre Pastinha were crucial to take Capoeira from marginality and turn it "human heritage". They created the methodology for the teaching of Capoeira, its hierarchy, levels, and added acrobatics and other martial arts moves.
HAHAHA, Capoeira is Brazilian and that's it. Black slaves, most of them from Angola, developed it, IN BRAZIL to fight back. Whether in Angola they danced in a similar way, that's reasonable to think but CAPOEIRA itself is a true Brazilian art. It's true that people from Angola should be proud of it, in all senses they were the first root but don't distort it.
@JPgremista let me see your logic-african slaves - direct Africans not descendants- took something they did in their motherland and started doing it in a new land which was pass to the descendants -now you want to spit in their faces? If there were no African presence in the land that is call Brazil will there be a capoeira, samba and other African contribution? You want to clink on to African beats, dances, sounds but you don't want to give Respect.
Just one more thing, a good shit of Brazil is that people are so fucking mixed up that even if a motherfucker call u "nigga" for sure he has black ancestry so it is almost as calling yourself a son of a bitch. When u say "spitting in their faces" it sounds to me as if Brazil was a European country stealing from Africa. Come on, we're talking about Brazil. Some people here are still dying from starvation. We still share more than ancestry..
@JPgremista Those movements did not all come from Angola. People were taken from different parts of Africa but because the majority were from Angola so they can claim it. Don't get me wrong Africans are happy that the men, women and children who were taken away left their footprints. Without them, there will be NO Capoeira. But some people get upset by the mere mention of AFRICA. If you have nothing how you can develop?
@vibrantkitty1 Capoeira was developed in Brazil and had many contributions of African origin, mainly from Angola, with its "Dance of the Giraffe", but also from the Brazilian Indians. Supporters of two distinct styles, Mestre Bimba and Mestre Pastinha were crucial to take Capoeira from marginality and turn it "human heritage". They created the methodology for the teaching of Capoeira, its hierarchy, levels, and added acrobatics and other martial arts moves.
@equeiroz1 What do you mean "human heritage"? Can you explain that term for me? Have you seen African acrobatics? Let me be speciftic west African acrobatics? Will you be able to recognize it when you see it? Now will not take away from the native Indians but Africans - be it south central africa or west Africa can recognize their movements. I can point out west african movements.
@vibrantkitty1 That's not the point, I can even point out japanese moviments on it! Origin, that's the point! Google it all and find your truth, Capoeira is Brazilian. It was born in brazil!
@equeiroz1 OH yeah ...just so you know my dear in most west african traditional dances ....which there are many because different tribes have their dances- acrobats are part of the dance- incorporated in the male movements.
@equeiroz1 OH yeah ...just so you know my dear in most west african traditional dances ....which there are many because different tribes have their dances- acrobats are part of the dance- incorporated in the male movements. But I guess you won't know that because it's not part of the "human heritage" right -miss idiot?
@JPgremista Brazilians can not steal from Africa because the movements (not the name) were taken there by Africans ....these are their descendants therefore it's their heritage just as Africans. But when someone acts like Africa is beneath them (hence spitting in their faces), then i have to give them a motherland trashing. I don't understand a word of spanish, creole or portuguese but I support the artists- why do you think?
@vibrantkitty1 What is that we're stealing? We created a whole new life. We became "Banto" We we arrived, We spoke a broken yoruba mixed with tupi guarani and portuguese. Evolution! Point of start, New birth, and with it The culture afro-brazilian! You might talk from what you know, but history will tell you different. Study the origin of it all from The first boat arrived from Africa, Google it, and if you still defending this idea, i'll rest my case, and you will need a doctor! Home work
@negozumbi But "Capoeira" would be different seeing that dance movements does not have the same name throughout Africa. Did the african people speak Tupi on the boat while on their way to Brazil? Ok, so you have a yoruba speaking man, a kikongo man and Luba speaking man sharing the same boat to an unknown land. They don't understand each other but they knew how to dance.
@vibrantkitty1 LOL, so a Nigerian is still Nigerian regardless of time and mixture. Let me guess, you are descendant of Yoruba? And you think you've evolve-LOL. Look here Yoruba person don't give me your attitude...I have the Bassa blood I will cut you to size. Negozumbi seriously, google it? Africans are starting to tell THEIR history.
@vibrantkitty1 I'm not fighting the African part, and you can have Jesus blood line, THat's not my point and it doesn't make you wright. Again i repeat myself, saying that you can think you know something and fight to be right and defend it, but maybe the books where you learned from didn't tell you the whole story, cause i grow up in it! So i can respond to you ignorance about " Povo Banto or Bantu, look up "povo banto" in wikipedia.
@negozumbi It is BANTU. Just because you put an O don't change it. It's BANTU. Wikipedia?? Are you serious honey bun? Is that where you're getting your history from?
@vibrantkitty1 Missing the point! I understand what you're saying but! Let me put that way. Capoeira, like candomble and many other art form and even the food, has African influence, but It was burn in Brazil. It's like, If you and you girl move to japan and have your baby is born and raised there, this babe will be japanese!
@negozumbi NO young man...it does not have African influence but African Roots. There is a difference my dear. As for your Japanese comment : my children will be Japanese citizens but AFRican. But the story is different ,people were force to leave -seperated from their homeland. What is your obsession with Japan?
@negozumbi Banto as in Bantu? LOL Let me guess the TO is portuguese influence. You've evolve now -instead of a TU you're a TO- LOL. Uum did I say steal or I said it is brazilian heritage because they are descendants of those AFRICANS. Read and comprehend sweet pea. Look here Yoruba, evolve and originate are not the same. If you are so Pro Afro-Brazilian why are you fighting the Afro part? Confused are we?
@vibrantkitty1 We, as in a good few 1000s are trying to keep and preserve What's original, what's brazilian, reconnect with the African roots so we can know more about where we came from, where our religion came from. So when people go out screaming things that they don't know, we get into it to defend it at all cost. My point wasn't focusing in the many tribes that came on the boat but who they became once in Brazil. I embrace everything given from Africa....
@vibrantkitty1 And i know what is to be an African-Brazilian not just because i was born one but cause i knew where i came from, and i don't mind teaching you. it'll be another history class, but capoeira is the point now! If you promise to read, i'll teach you and give you all the info you need. Just tell me you want to learn and know the truth and i'll be more the happy to provide you with it all!
@vibrantkitty1 Wow! Strong Words there! Good but maybe a bit miss directed! I can not say for us all, but i'm proud to be African decedent. But having influence of something and create your own it doesn't mean i'm not being grateful. The similarities between the Japanese and African culture doesn't make them have any relation. BUt Africans and Brazilians are united but the "fact" of existence! Capoeira was born in brazil, and we're defending that. History will tell you the truth! Home work
@JPgremista You can keep the name Capoeira -its not African. But the movements are entirely, completely, irrevocably, AFRICAAAAAN. African people who were taken by portuguese people, took these movement to the new land. African movements + new land. The name Capoeira means nothing without the movements.
@vibrantkitty1 I am not saying that Africa has nothing to do with it but saying that it is only from Angola is as wrong as saying that it is only Brazilian. You had the dances and movements before, but this thing called Capoeira, the dance, the fight, the art, was DEVELOPED in Brazil. Observe that I always use the word develop never created. And I don't know if you are revolted with Brazil, but here we know what we received from Africa. If Africans hadn't come, Brazil would not be Brazil...
@JPgremista Wow! We're liking it now! Just so we understand each other, thank you for being in between. "develop"?! Created is the correct word! As you know what the mother land gave to you, We, afro brazilians, have one of the biggest african cultural reserve. Fact, if you want prove i can copy and paste links until you get tired of reading. Then again, i keep repeating myself, it's all about home work. If you dont know everything about something dont presume that what you know is the truth.
@JPgremista Read, go research! I've been studying african influence in Brazil not to be a historian person, but to feed my children when they ask me about their history. Not just what i think it's true! It's people's History you playing with. Capoeira or whatever else it came as topic! Be careful! Ignorance it's something we can cure with knowledge!
@negozumbi Let me guess, you will tell your children the Tupi and guarani started it? Look here, be it djembe, samba, dance, voodoo, mojo, dread locks- WHATEVER- if African men, women and children took it to the new land don't mean it's not African anymore. They acknowledged their heritage - Africa was kept alive in these new lands. You think when they beat the drums and Dance-they were thinking of Brazil you ungrateful descendant??
@vibrantkitty1 YOu're right in one thing, Things dont leave the mother land and stops being African but the become something else. I'm African brazilian fro example, Capoeira, candomble are african brazilian. GEt the point? Yes african influenced, but born in brazil!
@vibrantkitty1 Ungrateful? Wash your moth cause i'm defending with is original brazilian and trying to teach what you dont know because of the lack of information you had. You dont know what i've been thru to defend my african decadency thru out my whole life, wearing it as a flag along side the many of us that still fight this stupid race civil war that still alive now in 2011. Ready everything i've been writing and you will see that as much i defend the topic in question i also boost my.....
@negozumbi Yes I said Ungrateful..did mispelled it? I will wash my mouth, if and only if you go outside pick a switch so I whip you for being disrepectful, my child.
@vibrantkitty1 ... i boost my pride in being african decedent. Not that the tupi satrted you ignorant, and that i can call you be cause of the way you spoken, but the unification of it all, the Tupi and the african influences. That what i will tell my children. That we are so mixed up, not just because of the African and the Tupi, but also the portuguese, Spanish and many more that contributed for the called country Brazil today. My words come from books and Researchers.
@negozumbi You sound mad. I'm ignorant and you are entitle to your opinion. But I'm speaking the truth. Just because you put a pink tutu and lipstick on a pig does not change it to a woman-right? It will still be a pig just doll up. Same way with anything that has AFRICAN ROOTS...Still African just doll up by other influences. You can mad Nego but mama have spoken.
@vibrantkitty1 Now if you can stop reacting base on your ego and take in the entire video not just the narrator's voice. You will notice these Angolans are wearing t-shirts with Brazil's flag on it. What does it say to you (ungrateful child)? They are not taking away from but celebrating with you. As you said I'm ignorant-what do I know. Look my child, you know nothing of Africa be open to learn- i'm african and I'm still learning. The continent is rich with cultures -diverse. Open your mind!!!
@vibrantkitty1 ANd my fight is what you wrote and not what you are. I cant go against you cause i know you dont know enough and that's why you said what you said. so my fight is not against you! SO get back to your papers if you have them, and if you dont, let me provide you with some. Just tell me where do you want me to start YOur history class and i shall begin. Pierre Verge is a good one for you to start with! How dare you? Ungrateful?!
@negozumbi OOH my dear I am willing to learn anything you have to teach. But can't teach me about Africa. I'm sure there were oral histories passed down from the African people to the ungrateful descendants (YOU). Samba foremost a west A word. The dance has african Roots not influence maybe the other tribes influence it but African roots baby. I know this is scrazy for you especially when it was drum it in ur head every thing was originally Brazilian. So what are you going to teach me Nonyoruba?
@vibrantkitty1 Where i came from I didn't have internet, i understand you sarcasm. SO no, that's not where i learned from, you used books, And i lived it growing in the society that didn't let me belong in my own country, That's where i learned. Our black history wasn't told as a full at school thanks to the catholic church so i went to the streets, library where i used to ready hours before going to work. That's where i learned from. I used to ask the oldest ones around me what is was like...
@negozumbi Roots is African it may be influence by Tupi or the tiger or panther- Roots being the operative word. You grew up Brazilian and I grew up African- I know our stamp. let me make it easy: Were the Tupi doing those basic movements before the arrivals of the African people? NO. The oldest books written by who? from whose perspective? I can tell you one thing your ancestors practice oral history-original slaves (first ones) did not write. So stop lying to yourself - word of mouth.
@vibrantkitty1 So i wont keep repeating myself, let me make it more clear for you so you understand that i'm not disagreeing with the African influence. Capoeira is an African- Brazilian martial art, Where African stands for it's influence and creators and Brazilian for the land as place of birth! I'll stand by it because that's is what happened and books will tell you, and people that lived will tell you. and people that made part of it Like Mestre Bimba will tell you! Now what do you want.
@vibrantkitty1 Video, books, documents to prove you that my words are not from my head but from people that knew and made part of it's creation! Tell me and i'll send out to you, and if you dont understand i'll be happy to translate for you! Lying to myself? So what i lived was a lie? cause that's i'm standing for. How dare you?!
@vibrantkitty1 And that's where i learned from! My grand father's fathers was a slave and i learned from what he told me! I got more hungry to know more, so i cared on learning and there are still a lot to learn. I never told you you should now better about Africa, the topic always been capoeira and the african influences. Capoeira birth place was Brazil, Influences from africans and Tupis, and the animals movements that were around. It was born there. Liesten to the capoeira music and you...
@vibrantkitty1 Sorry for miss spelling a few words. Listen to the capoeira music and you will hear about it history and creation. I never denied my influences and my roots. But i know my history, and again capoeira was born in Brazil with all African influences! And i dont think it's all brazilian and that's why you told you to ready Pierre verge! You will understand better, and see that i also know some about Africa, maybe not as much as you do, but i can assure you that i know about my
@negozumbi So you agree the roots are African! Why are you still crying? If these were Japanese (your favorite) claiming the roots and you get upset-i will understand. But these are African who sister, brother, etc were haul off to this strange land. All they did were do the same movements and dance they did back home...as time went by the Tupi, tiger, panther influenced it. maybe you're disconnected- African Brazilian, African being Africa, descendants, African roots & heritage + Brazilian.
@vibrantkitty1 I told you i never disagreed, you're start doubting my faith, my African hood, my pride saying i was grateful plus whatever else you said. But in the and comes back to what i said in the beginning of my writings about the topic. Capoeira was born in Brazil! point! With whatever influence, it was born in Brazil! Again you should read a bit more about us before say what you think you know us and defend it as it's the truth! I rest my case! Have a good life!
@negozumbi LOOOOL hell no. You kinda upset right now, I can't be in the same room with you. Right now I'm being very gentle with you and you already want to put the Capoeira moves on me.
@vibrantkitty1 I would use violence to replay to something! I do get defensive when people judge me without knowing me. You made your point, i made mine. I'll leave it like this as it isn't personal debate.
@negozumbi Eu não julgá-lo. Perguntei o porquê, o quê, você etc? você achava que eu estava julgando sua capa Africano. Querida, eu não levar as coisas pessoais,. Viver é muito curta para ficar com raiva. Eu definitivamente não deixar que um brasileiro iorubá me dar wringles (LOOL). Então, meu filho não ficar na defensiva. LOL
@vibrantkitty1 African Brazilian history! And even if you don't believe as you have your rights not to, I'm proud to be African decendent And i live it every day displaying that. Now if you wanna exchange and learn more about The African Brazilian history I would be more then Happy to give you all the Info I have. English is not my first language and i thought Wikipedia would answer your questioning about Banto e Bantu. That was all i was trying to do.
@vibrantkitty1 Ask me what you want about it and if you want to take it farther negozumbi@hotmail.com email me and we exchange knowledge! You're welcome at anytime!
Seriously Japanese?? How can you compare? You know Yoruba, you are disappointing me. You think a mother does not know her child?- oh yeah honey W.Africans tend to talk with parables. Japanese really? You want to go there? Africans taken from Africa went to the land known now as Brazil. Were Africans put on the boat and taken to the land known as Japan? Yoruba i'm very disappointed in you for making that comparison. Come stronger than that Yoruba- I know you can do it !! LOL
@vibrantkitty1 I'm not comparing! You're making me laugh! I said there were similarities! Read again! Like i said, if you wanna learn, cause i'm sure you know somethings, but not all and maybe not enough about it all, I'll be happy to teach you! Get ready for some heavy reading! If you want i can provide, if you want
@JPgremista Great answer! I lived in Angola for almost 6 years and never saw a native village or tribe with any cultural activity which could remember Capoeira which was really developed as a complete art martial and a strong cultural moviment, in the beginning of the XX century by natives from Bahia (Brazilian state in the northeast of Brazil).
just wrong. It's development was helped by native Brazilians. It wasn't developed by Native Brazilians. If it was developed by Native Brazilians the a lot more Brazilians would be involved in capoeira and when the Native tupi people come out to so there prtest they would be using capoeira to defend themselves. I live in Bahia. I have traveled around Brazil. Capoeira is an Afro-Brazilian Martial art. It's development, like a science project, has two founders. Get over it.
Now I see why black american practicers of yuna onse (kicking and knocking hid their shit away from white people. Because its African history would end up being torn from the front page, replaced by some cover up bullshit, and taken away from us and claim it as their own.
@TheBanditghettoninja there are white Brazilians.. like anywhere else.. but they are not the majority... so to say that the white people stole African history is just wrong to start with.
Maybe some of it was African inspired. Look at breakdancing etc, many black and African inspired art forms they do amazing things to the body and they're really hard too do if you don't have rhythm,balance, and if you're not loose. Go look up black dances and dancers from all over the Americas and world from the past you would be amazed. "Hip-hop" dancing was around before they called it hip-hop.
damn, those who do not know the past should NOT SPEAK, it was made BY Angolanos , that was one of three countries portugal was alouded to go in in africa, in angola there was already such thing as capoeira just without the ginga, when the slaves were in brazil capoeira stared developing but lost a lot of moves with hands because their hands were fastend. And thoes who understand a little portugeus should understand a little of the past in some of the capoeira songs
It is attempting to mimic a spirit , energy that is prevalent in all African dance and movement as well as song. from foot-working krumping/clowning break-dancing,swing dancing Jazz Modern hip-hop to Slap-boxing on the street with yo guys....etc.etc. and these movements and games are all tied back to the motherland every single one.
it was marketed to a wider group of people. and became a business, and they called it "capoeira". so there is some truth in that "capoeira" did come from Brasil. but Capoeira today is just replicating something that is of African origin, something that goes beyond a particular place in Africa .
Capoeira is in the blood and spirit of the African people.all over the world.still today.in brazil in the early 20th century it was just institutionalized , taken off of the streets and put into nice academies with uniforms belts (scarves) sequences even organized movement and so on and so forth..
just as the innocent African people were enslaved kidnapped raped and murdered .the "capoeira" today has been enslaved kidnapped raped and murdered.....
AN THEY ARE NOT BRAZILIANS THEYRE BLACK, IF THEY WHERE BORN IN MEXICO THEY WOULD BE A MEXICAN YA FEEL ME SO WE BLACK NO MATTER WHERE YOU BORN BKUZ THEY STILL CALLIN YOU A NIGGA/NIGGER AN THAT MEANS KING IN ETHIOPIAN AHMARIC NOT THE BULLSHIT DEFINITION THEY GIVE TO DAY
Look aslong as it STAYS BLACK AN AS LONG AS BLACKS GET THE CREDIT FOR IT, WE STARTED KUNG FU/MARTIAL ARTS, ITS ON THE WALLS IN KEMET KNOWN AS THE MON TOU(NOT SURE HOW TO SPELL IT) BLACK POWER
queriam a libardade!! claro que o mesmo se passou no brazil!! sabes que haviam negros com riquesas que vendiam escravos para os brancos??haviam negros com posse de negros, isso nao aparece na historia!! mais digo-te que se precisares artigo completos e provas concretas de que essas fogueiras eram feitas em africa especialmente angola posso mandar!! porque se nao os brazileiros nem a danca da capoeira eles teriam porque essa danca derivou de africa!! agora vez que sem danca nao ha capoeira
@helderdasilva1 concordo.. sem dança sem capoeira.. mas sem brasil sem capoeira tambem..
cara.. já deu de discutir.. nao interessa mais.. deve ser questao de orgulho teu, por ser angolano, lutar para que eu aceite que é uma luta angolana...pode ficar.. já estamos bem de mais como sendo o pais do futebol.. mesmo que esse sim nao tenha sido criado aqui..
@ marcelo!! a comunidade branca nunca vai aceitar algo que foi feito pelos negros,, tu sabes que em africa ja ha lugares que ja tratam do sida!1 mais como foi uma discuberta negra a comunidade branca nao aceita, o mesmo se trata da capoeira!!
para esclarecer, os escravos eram tirados da africa para as americar e para europa e nao o contrario!! por isso e que devemos usar o nosso common sense e para ver-mos a realidade dos factos!! porque a colonizacao comecou em africa, era la que os escravos
Na verdade a capoeira é formada de vários traços culturais distintos, fruto da diversidade geográfica da proviniencia dos Africanos que foram trazidos para o Brazil. Não foi só de Angola que vieram, foi de toda a África. Imagino que a capoeira nasce no encontro desta diversidade, no Brasil. De facto não existem registos de capoeira em Africa, como uma arte ancestral.
e descansar claro!! mais ja naquele tempo eles pensavam em virar o jogo revolucao, libertacao, e tudo mais!! entao as noites em volta da fogueira eles dancavam e escondiam a arte marcial ou melhor dizendo a arte de luta entre a danca para que nao levanta-se suspeita no patrao, porque que fossem apanhados a praticar qualquer coisa seriam espancado ou mesmo morto!! entao com a danca eles praticavam a arte, e quando comecaram a levar os escravos para o brazil a arte tambem foi! e simples como todo
@helderdasilva1 .. entao a gente ta praticamente concordando.. só descordamos na parte de onde essas noites em volta da fogueira se deram. eu digo que foram noites aqui no brasil.. já voce diz que foram noites na angola..
de fato a literatura diz que foram noites aqui no brasil.. diria que escravos já vinha direto, após serem capturados da africa para o brasil.. sem antes serem escravos, propriamente ditos, na angola. só digo que a capoeira é brasileira porque esses escravos viraram.....
Check this dance from Northern Ivory Coast (West Africa). So many of the moves are remeniscent of the ones typical of Capoeira.. (rabo de arraias, macaco, etc...)
watch?v=26pj-xUW9hQ&feature=relmfu
ericattisso 2 weeks ago
the only thing brazilian copeira is the ginga. the kid in this clip actually got it wrong...i was a martial art that the portugese didnt want the slaves to practice so they made it look like a dance so they could keep it up...came from angola with the slaves point blank
ProBlackDotNet 1 month ago
hahahaha everytime we try to claim our heritage there is a big argument
bboy24seven 1 month ago
Mestre Cobra Mansa went to Angola several years ago and showed the locals the Art form he mastered. They had no idea what he was doing. Capoeira Angola didn't "come from" Angola, but it has some of its roots in that country. Capoeira is through and through Brazilian.
travisross1 1 month ago
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@travisross1 the only thing brazilian copeira is the ginga. the kid in this clip actually got it wrong...i was a martial art that the portugese didnt want the slaves to practice so they made it look like a dance so they could keep it up...came from angola with the slaves point blank
ProBlackDotNet 1 month ago
@jo1ao2zinho that is really interesting what you said about northern brazil.I'm American, My parents are from west africa Cameroon, and I just learned that brazilians eat fried akra beans like west african, and has a strong yoruba culture from nigerian slaves. Have you ever heard of Mami Wata or Yemanja?
cnn101 2 months ago
@cnn101 yes we call fried beans acaraje and iemaja is celebrated every year
jo1ao2zinho 1 month ago
@jo1ao2zinho mans thats cool as hell lol yea cameroonians call it koki beans. And we don't really celebrate iemaja aka mami wata because in african culture she is considered a demon princess.
cnn101 1 month ago
@cnn101 well in brasil iemanja is a water sprit meant to give good luck for fishermen and for the year.
jo1ao2zinho 1 month ago
@jo1ao2zinho yea i was told that the myth was that she attracts fisherman and out to the sea, but becareful lol anyway its all african spirituallity/mystisism. I love how there is a link between us and you brazilians as far as culture and your ancestors.
cnn101 1 month ago
@cnn101 intereting my english is not too good but yes brother sprituality is strong in Brasil as in Africa we all are connected.
jo1ao2zinho 1 month ago
CAPOEIRA IS FROM ANGOLA.
BEFORE COPEIRA WENT TO BRASIL ANGOLAN WERE DANCING COPOEIRA FOR AGES. HOW CAN SOMEAONE STILL SAYING ITS FROM BRASIL,LOL
CAPOEIRA IS FROM ANGOLA AND FULL STOP
0nelsinho 2 months ago
Capoeira is a word from Tupi language (native brazilian indians), which means vegetation that grows after putting a forest down.
Alessandrobrs 3 months ago
The term "Angola" was used because most of the black slaves who came to Brazil were of Bantu ethnic origin, from the country of Angola.
Alessandrobrs 3 months ago
@Alessandrobrs
Most of the slaves brought to Brazil were taken from Angola, but do black brazilans consider themseleves Angolan. People of Portugese, italian and germain decent acknowledge their ancestry but black brazilians are ashamed of it from what brazilians tell me.
wilsalvn 2 months ago
@wilsalvn actually Northern Brasil received slaves from west and central Africa, which is why in my part of the country culturally we have more in common with nigeria, congo, cameroon and so fourth, southern and south central and eastern regions received slaves from Angola and Mocambique, and distance played a major role Northern Brasil is closer to West and Centro Africa, Southern Brasil is closer to Southern Africa.
jo1ao2zinho 2 months ago
@wilsalvn The Portuguese were less racist in Brasil, they tolerated African and Indigenous culture, whereas the english colonist in the United States were extremely racist, which is why African and indigenous culture was despised and dismissed as savage culture and primitive. Which is why many Afro-Americans have an extreme level of hate and disgust at African culture and tend to culturally fell they are anglo.
jo1ao2zinho 2 months ago
@jo1ao2zinho i agree with you 100 % the Portuguese and even the French and Spanish were not as cruel as the English that is why people of African descent in Brazil other parts of South America and even the Carribean still hold on to African rituals and some even speak dialect traced back to Africa where as African Americans lost much of their African rituals
chocolatebooty81 1 month ago
@wilsalvn not to ridicule but, Afro Americans, were kept away from their culture strongly.
jo1ao2zinho 2 months ago
@wilsalvn that is so strange that you would say that...it think its pretty common in lots of latin american countries. when i went to the dominican republic i had a strange feeling...as a black man it was the same feeling i get when i small white towns...hard to explain...but very real...you can almost feel the racism coming from some people..not all but lots of people just gave me the vibe that they didnt like me...come to find out most of them deny their african heritage as well..
ProBlackDotNet 1 month ago
We have 2 styles principal, Capoeira Angola and Capoeira Regional.
Alessandrobrs 3 months ago
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HERE IN BRAZIL - The name "Capoeira Angola" was given after the emergence of Capoeira Regional, because the capoeira community at that time was not happy about the changes made by Mestre Bimba, and felt it was necessary to separate capoeira into two different styles.
Alessandrobrs 3 months ago
it may not be angolan solely it is brazilian with angolan roots. BUT ITS A BLACK ART! Created by BLACKS.
cnn101 3 months ago 2
1:27 big mama? hahaha
saltybabbage 4 months ago
typical another media spin and rewrite history. Fact is (for years) capoeira is created by slaves who've been brought by Portuguese, French, British and Dutch slave traders to work in the north eastern area of the nation what we call today Brazil. Capoera thus is an Brazilian invention (with african roots)..not Angolan, because the slaves came also from other african nations.
nickfl1980 4 months ago
@nickfl1980 No not exactly the Portuguese focused on that Area because the other European nations had northern Africa controlled so it very well could have been from that Area beingt that traditions like that weren't carried on anywhere else. Just a thought
blueiguy1 4 months ago
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@blueiguy1 you didn't read what I typed. Not only the Portuguese focused on that Area what is the State of Bahia today. Read more history books. Another fact is, if you read more history books, not only the Portuguese focused on the area what we know as Angola, they were the number one, but fact is..also the Dutch, English and French slave traders where busy there "trading", though they were the minority.
nickfl1980 4 months ago
Capoeira is brazilian!!!!
baianoguanabara1 5 months ago
"The Old die and the young forget." Oh yeah, and racist lies.
TheBanditghettoninja 6 months ago
Brasil has so many things African, culturally and socially, but Brasil has always been historically ashamed of its African heritage, which is why many in Brasil get mad when they find out so much of our culture is African. Samba is Angolan, capoeira is Angolan, acaraje is Nigerian, so much food, religion, dance, even words in Brasilian Portuguese is African. So right on Angola!!!
jo1ao2zinho 6 months ago 12
@jo1ao2zinho Sad but true. I just don't understand why would some blacks here deny what makes them civilized. I've read a book of the secret martial art called yuna onse (Kicking and knocking) in America. It emerged in the Carolinas. This is the same art that rooted out the Charleston dance which turned into our modern day break dancing. I've seen whites trying to claim it as a Euro -Asian dance borrowed by blacks. I'm like WTF?
TheBanditghettoninja 6 months ago
@TheBanditghettoninja yeah very true, but you should have hope, because when more black become educated and stop treating others like them better, rather then let the lingering effects of centuries oppression remain which divided blacks then there can be hope.
jo1ao2zinho 6 months ago
@jo1ao2zinho False, another misinformed Brazilian. Samba isn't Angola and neither is capoeira. Capoeira has African roots, meaning from continent Africa (different areas from Africa). Samba is a mix of European and African, that's a fact.
nickfl1980 4 months ago
@nickfl1980 Oh, ok since your the leading authority of all history on earth I guess I am wrong . Secondly,you don't know me or what I know. Thirdly , I could GAF its just an interesting martial art.
blueiguy1 4 months ago
@blueiguy1 false again, never claimed or never act as if I am the leading authority of all history on earth. Nice try to that you're trying hard to add comments here that I ever typed or having that idea in my head (thinking that I am the leading authority of all history). I do not care who you are, you don't matter, neither who I am matters here, what does matter are facts. If you don't GAF, stop typing BS, you only make a fool out of yourself.
nickfl1980 4 months ago
@nickfl1980 First off the "leading authority" comment was a joke. Secondly instead of offering a real source and allowing other people to expand on your knowledge you opted for childish pretension that offered no value to my original comment. If you really claimed to know the information you could have explained your side more to allow future viewers to explore the art more. Quite frankly you come of as pompous which stifles good debate.
blueiguy1 4 months ago
@astridez893
Can you people do something nice for a change every comment has hurtful words in it .
BamitzIzzy 2 months ago
@nickfl1980 actually you misinterpreted with what i was saying, Brasil always is ashamed with its African past and the contribution of African people, capoeira is African you just do not want to acknowledge that a form of fighting originated from the continent of Africa. As someone who is Brasilian i am expressing what is true, your just misinterpreting what i said because my knowledge of english is not that great ha ha!!
jo1ao2zinho 4 months ago
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It's sad that's the case, I heard this from black brazillians. I did a DNA heritage test and found out my heritage was from Angola, so I started looking up on youtube everything Angolan & came across this. I am a black american and it's hard to trace our ancestry But for black brazilians it's easy because it's a real good chance ancestory is from Angola or Mozmabique, since over 90% of the slaves were taken from Angolan went to Brazil. Only about less than 10% went to the US.
wilsalvn 2 months ago
I love this sport!!!
anandkishna 6 months ago
MEUS CAROS IRMAOS ANGOLANOS,AVERDADE EH UMA SO,BRAZIL E AFRICA SAO POVOS IRMAOS DE SANGUE,CULTURA E ALEGRIA, E BASTA.ABRACOS
vava178 7 months ago
I HATE CRACKERS FOR STEALING OUR CULTURE AND TRYING TO CLAIM IT AS THEIRS! THE TRUTH COMES OUT...DEVIL MONKEYS!!!
Tubedoll 7 months ago
@Tubedoll im white. im not trying to steal your culture when i do capoeira. are people stealing americas culture when they play baseball?
ianedwards19 7 months ago
@ianedwards19 That is a dumbass analogy! How can you compare the two? Everyone associates baseball with the U.S. (not America, dumbass). So it doesn't matter where else in the world it is played. The U.S. is already credited. However, Angola is not automatically associated with capoeira as it should be!!!...unfortunately, Brazil is!!
Tubedoll 7 months ago
@Tubedoll well I knew it came from Angola when I first heard of it 5 years ago. I'll make sure anyone I talk to about it, knows its from Angola.
ianedwards19 7 months ago
@Tubedoll i agree, it's funny how many whites despise and fear blacks, but they want to imitate, copy, and disrespect black culture, even claiming that its their own lol.
jo1ao2zinho 6 months ago
@Tubedoll and it's also funny how many whites like hip hop, and rap as if its for them, but yet they will go on ranting about how criminal and bad blacks are lol
jo1ao2zinho 6 months ago
@jo1ao2zinho It just makes you understand why the martial art here in America is highly secretive. Look whats going on with its Brazilian cousin, capoeira. It ain't gonna be long before Europe and Asia sells out Africa's land right along with it's culture.
TheBanditghettoninja 6 months ago
@TheBanditghettoninja like i said previously you should have hope and things can change brother.
jo1ao2zinho 6 months ago
No one knows where capoeira actually came from. It could have originated in Angola under the name of ngolo. But then again there are many African arts identical to the ngolo or totally different with the same acrobatic potential that gave birth to it. My point is today we know it as a brazilian art and we should respect that. Capoeira wasn't showed to Angolans to "GIVE IT BACK," but to call on the mother, Ngolo. To reconnect and show Africans that they can do better than this.
TheBanditghettoninja 7 months ago
@TheBanditghettoninja These are Angolans writing their history and ngolo is part of their heritage why should Brazilians get upset? If the root of Capoeira is in ngolo and however the other Africans call theirs why should they be silent? Africa has been quiet for too long while outsiders write and rewrite our history twisting the facts to please them - But no more. If it has African roots we will say it.
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 I believe we are on the same page my friend. The point is Africa has been silent for to long. And it is very frustrating the world wants to keep them that way. Ngolo was one of its large influences as well as any afro latin culture was influenced . Its very upsetting that many of those in latin America hate to admit where stuff like this came from. Not just some who are white but sadly black as well. Look at the Dominicans of african heritage.
TheBanditghettoninja 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 I also like to add from reading your previous comments that Africa did influence Brazil. Like the Yoruba religion still practiced there is more pure than it is in Africa. If capoeira wasn't influenced by ngolo then capoeira did come from Africa. Without the seed there will be no roots.
TheBanditghettoninja 7 months ago
@TheBanditghettoninja ninjawarrior LOL. Do you think influence is a stronger tide than roots? For example, W. Africa has arab influence- (Islam), but we do not arab roots. Influence is to have an effect, while roots- is to be part of. That's why I keep stressing roots instead of influence- but I may be wrong. You don't want the Yoruba people to hear you say that Yoruba religion in brazil is more pure than theirs- they will call the god of calamity upon your head LOL. I don't want trouble OO LOL
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 I agree with you . But it is true. Colonization really fuck up Africa and some of the Africans culture s are mixed with some influences of Europe. But what surprised me is the yoruba in Brazil were able to hold their traditions even under the opressed force of slavery. Again i agree with you and I will not mention that again.
TheBanditghettoninja 7 months ago
@negozumbi Angola was influenced by portugal so they speak portuguese. Brazil was not influence by Africa. Brazil culture has some (Congo, Angola, Mozambique and W. African) ROOTS. You mentioned your history being sang. You know that's a W. African tradition? Yeah the singers are known as Griots! Congolese are the ones who specializes in incorporating animal movement in their dance- their latest Ndombolo i'm not sure -has to do with the bamboo- Interesting right? you live and learn. i will email
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@negozumbi Angola was influenced by portugal so they speak portuguese. Brazil was not influence by Africa. Brazil culture has some (Congo, Angola, Mozambique and W. African) ROOTS. You mentioned your history being sang. You know that's a W. African tradition? Yeah the singers are known as Griots! Congolese are the ones who specializes in incorporating animal movement in their dance- their latest Ndombolo i'm not sure -has to do with the bamboo- Interesting right? you live and learn.
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
The Birthplace of capoeira is Angola... A capoeira teve origem em Angola....
0nelsinho 7 months ago
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PrinceDreLance 7 months ago
@PrinceDreLance Chill peal fro sure! BUt sorry to say you're wrong. Capoeira was born in Brazil it lives every where now. Get the point?! Regards
negozumbi 7 months ago
@PrinceDreLance Do the roots of the tree have anything to do with the fruit from that tree?
feijao7 7 months ago
@feijao7 what? make scene
PrinceDreLance 7 months ago
@feijao7 Yes sir, it does! And where was the tree planted again?
negozumbi 7 months ago
Capoeira´s seed is in Angola, it was planted in Brazil's soil, under the hostil influence of Portugal dominators . The result was Capoeira.
pretoveio9 7 months ago
@pretoveio9 History again! You guys need to do your home work before saying stuff. Caporira's seed is brazilian. So because I'm black my seed is african, or I'm not Brazilian?! think again
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi What is Black? and yes your original DNA is from Africa no matter how you look at it. Brazilian is a name for a type of people who culturally represent a country newly formed 500 years ago. Africa, or what the Europeans call Africa and now like unknowledged puppies we co-sign to, however is the cradle and birthplace of the entire Human race. Capoeira, or what we call capoeira is an entity bigger then is even the name itself. It is the link that brings people together given by GOD.
feijao7 7 months ago
@feijao7 You didnt get my point! Read again and try to make understand! I agree with what you said apart of when you talk about capoeira again. Beautiful words but still Brazil, using your words, is the birth place of capoeira, regardless of where the mother or father came from ( creators ), it was born in Brazil!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi Hey man I'm not saying that Braizilian is not the birthplace of capoeira. All my point was in the beggining is that we cannot deny the roots of it. For that we must always refer to Capoeira as an Afro-Brazilian culture. We can never forget where it's origins are because if we do that then we forget what it's purpose truly is. The world needs capoeira at the moment but we cannot let it be taken from it's roots, it's culture, and it's history.
feijao7 7 months ago
@feijao7 Never forgotten and we sing in our songs, We still wear the colors, we use it proudly as a flag by displaying it with all the vigor it's memory deserves! Never forgotten. But the birth place of capoeira is Brazil.
negozumbi 7 months ago
@feijao7 Quando eu venho de Luanda eu venho so. Eu fui preso a traição, trazido na covardia, e se fosse luta honesta, ninguém me trazia. Na pele eu troce a noite, na boca brilha o luar, trango a forca e a magia, presente dos Orixas. Quando eu venho de Luanda, eu venho so, quando eu venho de luanda, eu venho so. Trago ardendo nas costas o peso dessa maldade, trago acuando no peito, oh, um grito de liberdade, e grito de raça nobre, grito da raça guerreira, e grito da raca negra, grito do capoeira.
negozumbi 7 months ago
@feijao7 Grupo senzala! We remember!
negozumbi 7 months ago
ik vind het er echt niet uitzien
mauttt1 7 months ago
Capoiera began and originated in Brazil, NOT Angola!
chsn09 8 months ago
@chsn09 It seems to me that this is a historical fact that Capoeira was developed in Brazil. There is no place in Angola where some native dance or martial art can recall Capoeira and I never saw any historical document which appoints that Capoeira was developed in Angola. It was indeed, was taken to Angola by Brazilian masters who taught Angolans The Same Way They have taught people all over the world.
equeiroz1 8 months ago
@equeiroz1
There aren't any real historical facts about capoeira as a whole. It's all kind of hear say. That's because the Brazilian government tried to snuff it out remember. That is why Mestre Bimba Created the regional fight of Bahia (capoeira Refional). Capoeira or N'gola before it came to the west was a dance but it is now a fight. So tell me what is the point of arguing? Do you not play capoeira? Do you like capoeira? Why can't someone else like it too.
feijao7 8 months ago
If it wasn't for the Africans or Nubians we wouldn't have Capoeira at all. So just be thankful and shut up and play.
feijao7 8 months ago
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@feijao7 I agree... If it wasn't for the Africans we would not have Jazz, Blues, Samba, Salsa, Rap, Carioca Funk, etc.
equeiroz1 7 months ago
@feijao7 I'm thankful for the color of my skin, as i'm thankful for my strong muscle DNA composition, my white teeth. But i cant thank the Africans for the life i live or the history born after they arrived in Brazil. Get the point?!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@chsn09
Once again it came over with the Africans who aren't just from angola by the way as a right of passage dance. Only the word ORIGINATED in Brazil. The berimbau is not a Brazilian instrument. Acaraje is and African food. Half of the words in the Brazil portuguese language are African words. Wake up.
feijao7 8 months ago
@feijao7
It's funny you mentioned the berimbau as not being Brazilian. Some years back I was watching 'Siddis' from India perform in the US. Their version of the berimbau is called molongo. The only difference between the 2 is the molongo does not have the gourd at the base of the staff. Siddis ancestry originates from the Eastern portion of African.
forgetsleep 8 months ago
@feijao7 Sorry, don't mean no disrespect, but you need to do your home work bro! "it came over with the Africans who aren't just from angola by the way as a right of passage dance. Only the word ORIGINATED in Brazil" = This is ignorance! I just hope you're not Brazilian, and if you are, no offense, but maybe you didn't learn from the write books! Home work
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi Hey man did I say that it was strictly from Angola? If I did then forgive me for that one. Even I know that most of the Slaves brought from Africa were from more inland then from the coast, which was why it was so easy for them to get the slaves out. And no I am not Brazilian. I am From Brooklyn. And yes the word "capoeira did originate in Brazil. It is a Tupi (native Brazilin) word that hey say means a circular space of grass that grows in the forest somewhere.
feijao7 7 months ago
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Capoeira was developed in Brazil and had many contributions of African origin, mainly from Angola, with its "Dance of the Giraffe", but also from the Brazilian Indians. Supporters of two distinct styles, Mestre Bimba and Mestre Pastinha were crucial to take Capoeira from marginality and turn it "human heritage". They created the methodology for the teaching of Capoeira, its hierarchy, levels, and added acrobatics and other martial arts moves.
equeiroz1 8 months ago
HAHAHA, Capoeira is Brazilian and that's it. Black slaves, most of them from Angola, developed it, IN BRAZIL to fight back. Whether in Angola they danced in a similar way, that's reasonable to think but CAPOEIRA itself is a true Brazilian art. It's true that people from Angola should be proud of it, in all senses they were the first root but don't distort it.
JPgremista 8 months ago
@JPgremista let me see your logic-african slaves - direct Africans not descendants- took something they did in their motherland and started doing it in a new land which was pass to the descendants -now you want to spit in their faces? If there were no African presence in the land that is call Brazil will there be a capoeira, samba and other African contribution? You want to clink on to African beats, dances, sounds but you don't want to give Respect.
vibrantkitty1 8 months ago
@vibrantkitty1
Just one more thing, a good shit of Brazil is that people are so fucking mixed up that even if a motherfucker call u "nigga" for sure he has black ancestry so it is almost as calling yourself a son of a bitch. When u say "spitting in their faces" it sounds to me as if Brazil was a European country stealing from Africa. Come on, we're talking about Brazil. Some people here are still dying from starvation. We still share more than ancestry..
JPgremista 8 months ago
@JPgremista Those movements did not all come from Angola. People were taken from different parts of Africa but because the majority were from Angola so they can claim it. Don't get me wrong Africans are happy that the men, women and children who were taken away left their footprints. Without them, there will be NO Capoeira. But some people get upset by the mere mention of AFRICA. If you have nothing how you can develop?
vibrantkitty1 8 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Capoeira was developed in Brazil and had many contributions of African origin, mainly from Angola, with its "Dance of the Giraffe", but also from the Brazilian Indians. Supporters of two distinct styles, Mestre Bimba and Mestre Pastinha were crucial to take Capoeira from marginality and turn it "human heritage". They created the methodology for the teaching of Capoeira, its hierarchy, levels, and added acrobatics and other martial arts moves.
equeiroz1 8 months ago
@equeiroz1 What do you mean "human heritage"? Can you explain that term for me? Have you seen African acrobatics? Let me be speciftic west African acrobatics? Will you be able to recognize it when you see it? Now will not take away from the native Indians but Africans - be it south central africa or west Africa can recognize their movements. I can point out west african movements.
vibrantkitty1 8 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 That's not the point, I can even point out japanese moviments on it! Origin, that's the point! Google it all and find your truth, Capoeira is Brazilian. It was born in brazil!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@equeiroz1 OH yeah ...just so you know my dear in most west african traditional dances ....which there are many because different tribes have their dances- acrobats are part of the dance- incorporated in the male movements.
vibrantkitty1 8 months ago
@equeiroz1 OH yeah ...just so you know my dear in most west african traditional dances ....which there are many because different tribes have their dances- acrobats are part of the dance- incorporated in the male movements. But I guess you won't know that because it's not part of the "human heritage" right -miss idiot?
vibrantkitty1 8 months ago
@JPgremista Brazilians can not steal from Africa because the movements (not the name) were taken there by Africans ....these are their descendants therefore it's their heritage just as Africans. But when someone acts like Africa is beneath them (hence spitting in their faces), then i have to give them a motherland trashing. I don't understand a word of spanish, creole or portuguese but I support the artists- why do you think?
vibrantkitty1 8 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 What is that we're stealing? We created a whole new life. We became "Banto" We we arrived, We spoke a broken yoruba mixed with tupi guarani and portuguese. Evolution! Point of start, New birth, and with it The culture afro-brazilian! You might talk from what you know, but history will tell you different. Study the origin of it all from The first boat arrived from Africa, Google it, and if you still defending this idea, i'll rest my case, and you will need a doctor! Home work
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi But "Capoeira" would be different seeing that dance movements does not have the same name throughout Africa. Did the african people speak Tupi on the boat while on their way to Brazil? Ok, so you have a yoruba speaking man, a kikongo man and Luba speaking man sharing the same boat to an unknown land. They don't understand each other but they knew how to dance.
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 LOL, so a Nigerian is still Nigerian regardless of time and mixture. Let me guess, you are descendant of Yoruba? And you think you've evolve-LOL. Look here Yoruba person don't give me your attitude...I have the Bassa blood I will cut you to size. Negozumbi seriously, google it? Africans are starting to tell THEIR history.
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 I'm not fighting the African part, and you can have Jesus blood line, THat's not my point and it doesn't make you wright. Again i repeat myself, saying that you can think you know something and fight to be right and defend it, but maybe the books where you learned from didn't tell you the whole story, cause i grow up in it! So i can respond to you ignorance about " Povo Banto or Bantu, look up "povo banto" in wikipedia.
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi It is BANTU. Just because you put an O don't change it. It's BANTU. Wikipedia?? Are you serious honey bun? Is that where you're getting your history from?
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Missing the point! I understand what you're saying but! Let me put that way. Capoeira, like candomble and many other art form and even the food, has African influence, but It was burn in Brazil. It's like, If you and you girl move to japan and have your baby is born and raised there, this babe will be japanese!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi NO young man...it does not have African influence but African Roots. There is a difference my dear. As for your Japanese comment : my children will be Japanese citizens but AFRican. But the story is different ,people were force to leave -seperated from their homeland. What is your obsession with Japan?
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@negozumbi Banto as in Bantu? LOL Let me guess the TO is portuguese influence. You've evolve now -instead of a TU you're a TO- LOL. Uum did I say steal or I said it is brazilian heritage because they are descendants of those AFRICANS. Read and comprehend sweet pea. Look here Yoruba, evolve and originate are not the same. If you are so Pro Afro-Brazilian why are you fighting the Afro part? Confused are we?
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 We, as in a good few 1000s are trying to keep and preserve What's original, what's brazilian, reconnect with the African roots so we can know more about where we came from, where our religion came from. So when people go out screaming things that they don't know, we get into it to defend it at all cost. My point wasn't focusing in the many tribes that came on the boat but who they became once in Brazil. I embrace everything given from Africa....
negozumbi 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 And i know what is to be an African-Brazilian not just because i was born one but cause i knew where i came from, and i don't mind teaching you. it'll be another history class, but capoeira is the point now! If you promise to read, i'll teach you and give you all the info you need. Just tell me you want to learn and know the truth and i'll be more the happy to provide you with it all!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Wow! Strong Words there! Good but maybe a bit miss directed! I can not say for us all, but i'm proud to be African decedent. But having influence of something and create your own it doesn't mean i'm not being grateful. The similarities between the Japanese and African culture doesn't make them have any relation. BUt Africans and Brazilians are united but the "fact" of existence! Capoeira was born in brazil, and we're defending that. History will tell you the truth! Home work
negozumbi 7 months ago
@JPgremista You can keep the name Capoeira -its not African. But the movements are entirely, completely, irrevocably, AFRICAAAAAN. African people who were taken by portuguese people, took these movement to the new land. African movements + new land. The name Capoeira means nothing without the movements.
vibrantkitty1 8 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 I am not saying that Africa has nothing to do with it but saying that it is only from Angola is as wrong as saying that it is only Brazilian. You had the dances and movements before, but this thing called Capoeira, the dance, the fight, the art, was DEVELOPED in Brazil. Observe that I always use the word develop never created. And I don't know if you are revolted with Brazil, but here we know what we received from Africa. If Africans hadn't come, Brazil would not be Brazil...
JPgremista 8 months ago
@JPgremista Wow! We're liking it now! Just so we understand each other, thank you for being in between. "develop"?! Created is the correct word! As you know what the mother land gave to you, We, afro brazilians, have one of the biggest african cultural reserve. Fact, if you want prove i can copy and paste links until you get tired of reading. Then again, i keep repeating myself, it's all about home work. If you dont know everything about something dont presume that what you know is the truth.
negozumbi 7 months ago
@JPgremista Read, go research! I've been studying african influence in Brazil not to be a historian person, but to feed my children when they ask me about their history. Not just what i think it's true! It's people's History you playing with. Capoeira or whatever else it came as topic! Be careful! Ignorance it's something we can cure with knowledge!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi Let me guess, you will tell your children the Tupi and guarani started it? Look here, be it djembe, samba, dance, voodoo, mojo, dread locks- WHATEVER- if African men, women and children took it to the new land don't mean it's not African anymore. They acknowledged their heritage - Africa was kept alive in these new lands. You think when they beat the drums and Dance-they were thinking of Brazil you ungrateful descendant??
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 YOu're right in one thing, Things dont leave the mother land and stops being African but the become something else. I'm African brazilian fro example, Capoeira, candomble are african brazilian. GEt the point? Yes african influenced, but born in brazil!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Ungrateful? Wash your moth cause i'm defending with is original brazilian and trying to teach what you dont know because of the lack of information you had. You dont know what i've been thru to defend my african decadency thru out my whole life, wearing it as a flag along side the many of us that still fight this stupid race civil war that still alive now in 2011. Ready everything i've been writing and you will see that as much i defend the topic in question i also boost my.....
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi Yes I said Ungrateful..did mispelled it? I will wash my mouth, if and only if you go outside pick a switch so I whip you for being disrepectful, my child.
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 ... i boost my pride in being african decedent. Not that the tupi satrted you ignorant, and that i can call you be cause of the way you spoken, but the unification of it all, the Tupi and the african influences. That what i will tell my children. That we are so mixed up, not just because of the African and the Tupi, but also the portuguese, Spanish and many more that contributed for the called country Brazil today. My words come from books and Researchers.
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi You sound mad. I'm ignorant and you are entitle to your opinion. But I'm speaking the truth. Just because you put a pink tutu and lipstick on a pig does not change it to a woman-right? It will still be a pig just doll up. Same way with anything that has AFRICAN ROOTS...Still African just doll up by other influences. You can mad Nego but mama have spoken.
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Now if you can stop reacting base on your ego and take in the entire video not just the narrator's voice. You will notice these Angolans are wearing t-shirts with Brazil's flag on it. What does it say to you (ungrateful child)? They are not taking away from but celebrating with you. As you said I'm ignorant-what do I know. Look my child, you know nothing of Africa be open to learn- i'm african and I'm still learning. The continent is rich with cultures -diverse. Open your mind!!!
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
LOOL
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 ANd my fight is what you wrote and not what you are. I cant go against you cause i know you dont know enough and that's why you said what you said. so my fight is not against you! SO get back to your papers if you have them, and if you dont, let me provide you with some. Just tell me where do you want me to start YOur history class and i shall begin. Pierre Verge is a good one for you to start with! How dare you? Ungrateful?!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi OOH my dear I am willing to learn anything you have to teach. But can't teach me about Africa. I'm sure there were oral histories passed down from the African people to the ungrateful descendants (YOU). Samba foremost a west A word. The dance has african Roots not influence maybe the other tribes influence it but African roots baby. I know this is scrazy for you especially when it was drum it in ur head every thing was originally Brazilian. So what are you going to teach me Nonyoruba?
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Where i came from I didn't have internet, i understand you sarcasm. SO no, that's not where i learned from, you used books, And i lived it growing in the society that didn't let me belong in my own country, That's where i learned. Our black history wasn't told as a full at school thanks to the catholic church so i went to the streets, library where i used to ready hours before going to work. That's where i learned from. I used to ask the oldest ones around me what is was like...
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi Roots is African it may be influence by Tupi or the tiger or panther- Roots being the operative word. You grew up Brazilian and I grew up African- I know our stamp. let me make it easy: Were the Tupi doing those basic movements before the arrivals of the African people? NO. The oldest books written by who? from whose perspective? I can tell you one thing your ancestors practice oral history-original slaves (first ones) did not write. So stop lying to yourself - word of mouth.
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 So i wont keep repeating myself, let me make it more clear for you so you understand that i'm not disagreeing with the African influence. Capoeira is an African- Brazilian martial art, Where African stands for it's influence and creators and Brazilian for the land as place of birth! I'll stand by it because that's is what happened and books will tell you, and people that lived will tell you. and people that made part of it Like Mestre Bimba will tell you! Now what do you want.
negozumbi 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Video, books, documents to prove you that my words are not from my head but from people that knew and made part of it's creation! Tell me and i'll send out to you, and if you dont understand i'll be happy to translate for you! Lying to myself? So what i lived was a lie? cause that's i'm standing for. How dare you?!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 And that's where i learned from! My grand father's fathers was a slave and i learned from what he told me! I got more hungry to know more, so i cared on learning and there are still a lot to learn. I never told you you should now better about Africa, the topic always been capoeira and the african influences. Capoeira birth place was Brazil, Influences from africans and Tupis, and the animals movements that were around. It was born there. Liesten to the capoeira music and you...
negozumbi 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Sorry for miss spelling a few words. Listen to the capoeira music and you will hear about it history and creation. I never denied my influences and my roots. But i know my history, and again capoeira was born in Brazil with all African influences! And i dont think it's all brazilian and that's why you told you to ready Pierre verge! You will understand better, and see that i also know some about Africa, maybe not as much as you do, but i can assure you that i know about my
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi So you agree the roots are African! Why are you still crying? If these were Japanese (your favorite) claiming the roots and you get upset-i will understand. But these are African who sister, brother, etc were haul off to this strange land. All they did were do the same movements and dance they did back home...as time went by the Tupi, tiger, panther influenced it. maybe you're disconnected- African Brazilian, African being Africa, descendants, African roots & heritage + Brazilian.
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 I told you i never disagreed, you're start doubting my faith, my African hood, my pride saying i was grateful plus whatever else you said. But in the and comes back to what i said in the beginning of my writings about the topic. Capoeira was born in Brazil! point! With whatever influence, it was born in Brazil! Again you should read a bit more about us before say what you think you know us and defend it as it's the truth! I rest my case! Have a good life!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 I wish this chat was face to face. But it's all good!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi LOOOOL hell no. You kinda upset right now, I can't be in the same room with you. Right now I'm being very gentle with you and you already want to put the Capoeira moves on me.
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 I would use violence to replay to something! I do get defensive when people judge me without knowing me. You made your point, i made mine. I'll leave it like this as it isn't personal debate.
negozumbi 7 months ago
@negozumbi Eu não julgá-lo. Perguntei o porquê, o quê, você etc? você achava que eu estava julgando sua capa Africano. Querida, eu não levar as coisas pessoais,. Viver é muito curta para ficar com raiva. Eu definitivamente não deixar que um brasileiro iorubá me dar wringles (LOOL). Então, meu filho não ficar na defensiva. LOL
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 African Brazilian history! And even if you don't believe as you have your rights not to, I'm proud to be African decendent And i live it every day displaying that. Now if you wanna exchange and learn more about The African Brazilian history I would be more then Happy to give you all the Info I have. English is not my first language and i thought Wikipedia would answer your questioning about Banto e Bantu. That was all i was trying to do.
negozumbi 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Ask me what you want about it and if you want to take it farther negozumbi@hotmail.com email me and we exchange knowledge! You're welcome at anytime!
negozumbi 7 months ago
Seriously Japanese?? How can you compare? You know Yoruba, you are disappointing me. You think a mother does not know her child?- oh yeah honey W.Africans tend to talk with parables. Japanese really? You want to go there? Africans taken from Africa went to the land known now as Brazil. Were Africans put on the boat and taken to the land known as Japan? Yoruba i'm very disappointed in you for making that comparison. Come stronger than that Yoruba- I know you can do it !! LOL
vibrantkitty1 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 I'm not comparing! You're making me laugh! I said there were similarities! Read again! Like i said, if you wanna learn, cause i'm sure you know somethings, but not all and maybe not enough about it all, I'll be happy to teach you! Get ready for some heavy reading! If you want i can provide, if you want
negozumbi 7 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Pure ignorance!
negozumbi 7 months ago
@JPgremista Great answer! I lived in Angola for almost 6 years and never saw a native village or tribe with any cultural activity which could remember Capoeira which was really developed as a complete art martial and a strong cultural moviment, in the beginning of the XX century by natives from Bahia (Brazilian state in the northeast of Brazil).
equeiroz1 8 months ago
@equeiroz1
just wrong. It's development was helped by native Brazilians. It wasn't developed by Native Brazilians. If it was developed by Native Brazilians the a lot more Brazilians would be involved in capoeira and when the Native tupi people come out to so there prtest they would be using capoeira to defend themselves. I live in Bahia. I have traveled around Brazil. Capoeira is an Afro-Brazilian Martial art. It's development, like a science project, has two founders. Get over it.
feijao7 8 months ago
Now I see why black american practicers of yuna onse (kicking and knocking hid their shit away from white people. Because its African history would end up being torn from the front page, replaced by some cover up bullshit, and taken away from us and claim it as their own.
TheBanditghettoninja 8 months ago
@TheBanditghettoninja there are white Brazilians.. like anywhere else.. but they are not the majority... so to say that the white people stole African history is just wrong to start with.
marcelorio1234567890 8 months ago
@marcelorio1234567890 I wasn't generalizing.
TheBanditghettoninja 7 months ago
Maybe some of it was African inspired. Look at breakdancing etc, many black and African inspired art forms they do amazing things to the body and they're really hard too do if you don't have rhythm,balance, and if you're not loose. Go look up black dances and dancers from all over the Americas and world from the past you would be amazed. "Hip-hop" dancing was around before they called it hip-hop.
TheMordida 8 months ago
people have taken away a lot of Angola ( and the rest of Africa) and now they have taken a part of its culture away.. thats just heartless
getitbussy 8 months ago
damn, those who do not know the past should NOT SPEAK, it was made BY Angolanos , that was one of three countries portugal was alouded to go in in africa, in angola there was already such thing as capoeira just without the ginga, when the slaves were in brazil capoeira stared developing but lost a lot of moves with hands because their hands were fastend. And thoes who understand a little portugeus should understand a little of the past in some of the capoeira songs
U CANT ESCAPE THE FACTS
getitbussy 8 months ago
It is attempting to mimic a spirit , energy that is prevalent in all African dance and movement as well as song. from foot-working krumping/clowning break-dancing,swing dancing Jazz Modern hip-hop to Slap-boxing on the street with yo guys....etc.etc. and these movements and games are all tied back to the motherland every single one.
comebacklove1 8 months ago
it was marketed to a wider group of people. and became a business, and they called it "capoeira". so there is some truth in that "capoeira" did come from Brasil. but Capoeira today is just replicating something that is of African origin, something that goes beyond a particular place in Africa .
comebacklove1 8 months ago
Capoeira is in the blood and spirit of the African people.all over the world.still today.in brazil in the early 20th century it was just institutionalized , taken off of the streets and put into nice academies with uniforms belts (scarves) sequences even organized movement and so on and so forth..
comebacklove1 8 months ago
just as the innocent African people were enslaved kidnapped raped and murdered .the "capoeira" today has been enslaved kidnapped raped and murdered.....
comebacklove1 8 months ago
AN THEY ARE NOT BRAZILIANS THEYRE BLACK, IF THEY WHERE BORN IN MEXICO THEY WOULD BE A MEXICAN YA FEEL ME SO WE BLACK NO MATTER WHERE YOU BORN BKUZ THEY STILL CALLIN YOU A NIGGA/NIGGER AN THAT MEANS KING IN ETHIOPIAN AHMARIC NOT THE BULLSHIT DEFINITION THEY GIVE TO DAY
SHALOM
3268right 8 months ago
Look aslong as it STAYS BLACK AN AS LONG AS BLACKS GET THE CREDIT FOR IT, WE STARTED KUNG FU/MARTIAL ARTS, ITS ON THE WALLS IN KEMET KNOWN AS THE MON TOU(NOT SURE HOW TO SPELL IT) BLACK POWER
3268right 8 months ago
CAPOEIRA FOI CRIADA EM ANGOLA !? KKKKK
QUALQUER SAROBA BRASILEIRO DÁ AULA DE CAPOEIRA PARA ESSES MANÉS ANGOLANO...
ARIHSAMURAY10 9 months ago
fui.. tenho mais o que fazer
marcelorio1234567890 9 months ago
queriam a libardade!! claro que o mesmo se passou no brazil!! sabes que haviam negros com riquesas que vendiam escravos para os brancos??haviam negros com posse de negros, isso nao aparece na historia!! mais digo-te que se precisares artigo completos e provas concretas de que essas fogueiras eram feitas em africa especialmente angola posso mandar!! porque se nao os brazileiros nem a danca da capoeira eles teriam porque essa danca derivou de africa!! agora vez que sem danca nao ha capoeira
helderdasilva1 9 months ago
@helderdasilva1 concordo.. sem dança sem capoeira.. mas sem brasil sem capoeira tambem..
cara.. já deu de discutir.. nao interessa mais.. deve ser questao de orgulho teu, por ser angolano, lutar para que eu aceite que é uma luta angolana...pode ficar.. já estamos bem de mais como sendo o pais do futebol.. mesmo que esse sim nao tenha sido criado aqui..
marcelorio1234567890 9 months ago
@ marcelo!! a comunidade branca nunca vai aceitar algo que foi feito pelos negros,, tu sabes que em africa ja ha lugares que ja tratam do sida!1 mais como foi uma discuberta negra a comunidade branca nao aceita, o mesmo se trata da capoeira!!
para esclarecer, os escravos eram tirados da africa para as americar e para europa e nao o contrario!! por isso e que devemos usar o nosso common sense e para ver-mos a realidade dos factos!! porque a colonizacao comecou em africa, era la que os escravos
helderdasilva1 9 months ago
A capoeira, tudo indica, desenvolve-se no Brazil.
A sua essência, a sua beleza e criação, foi dos negros vindos de vários pontos distintos de África.
Foi um grito de libertação, era uma forma de desafio, uma forma de defesa com o seu toque de beleza dos camará.
Capoeira é tradição antiga, vem da reunião de um povo em ansia de liberdade, é uma dança que se transforma em luta da força que vence a ira!
poismanda 9 months ago
Na verdade a capoeira é formada de vários traços culturais distintos, fruto da diversidade geográfica da proviniencia dos Africanos que foram trazidos para o Brazil. Não foi só de Angola que vieram, foi de toda a África. Imagino que a capoeira nasce no encontro desta diversidade, no Brasil. De facto não existem registos de capoeira em Africa, como uma arte ancestral.
poismanda 9 months ago
... os brasileiros com os anos...
o que de fato é importante entao.. vamos combinar... é que foi preciso ambas as naçoes para o surgimento da capoeira..
ainda acho que é brasileira.. mas se tem outra naçao que tambem influenciou foi a angola...
e o fato é que lamentavelmente foi criada.. já que foi um produto ta violencia do ser humano ao escravisar outro ser humano
marcelorio1234567890 9 months ago
e descansar claro!! mais ja naquele tempo eles pensavam em virar o jogo revolucao, libertacao, e tudo mais!! entao as noites em volta da fogueira eles dancavam e escondiam a arte marcial ou melhor dizendo a arte de luta entre a danca para que nao levanta-se suspeita no patrao, porque que fossem apanhados a praticar qualquer coisa seriam espancado ou mesmo morto!! entao com a danca eles praticavam a arte, e quando comecaram a levar os escravos para o brazil a arte tambem foi! e simples como todo
helderdasilva1 9 months ago
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helderdasilva1 9 months ago
@helderdasilva1 .. entao a gente ta praticamente concordando.. só descordamos na parte de onde essas noites em volta da fogueira se deram. eu digo que foram noites aqui no brasil.. já voce diz que foram noites na angola..
de fato a literatura diz que foram noites aqui no brasil.. diria que escravos já vinha direto, após serem capturados da africa para o brasil.. sem antes serem escravos, propriamente ditos, na angola. só digo que a capoeira é brasileira porque esses escravos viraram.....
marcelorio1234567890 9 months ago