when you bought your Wii, you agreed to not use any unauthorized software, or hardware with your Wii, which breaches the contract, voids your warranty and may be illegal depending on what you used. You broke a contract you made with Nintendo. Nobody really cares, but yes its technically illegal. It also spells out consequences for using such services at the end.
IF you play online with them. Nintendo only messes with Homebrew Wiis if they are hacking online. And really, this only applies to Mario Kart.
Homebrew is NOT illegal. You void your warranty and can be banned from Wi-Fi services, but Nintendo cannot take legal action. You bought the product, so it's yours to do whatever with as long as you don't make money off of it in a way that steals from Nintendo (i.e. downloading ROMS instead of buying VC games). Though Nintendo STILL won't do anything.
IF you hack online. Didn't I say that? Though they've gotten lax with Mario Kart recently (hackers sitings have increased a bit).
You only enter the contract when you use online services. And by breaking it, you lose warranty and online services IF YOU ARE CAUGHT ONLINE. Nintendo doesn't care about offline mods.
Its still wrong in general. The fact that they're trying to stop it in general says something about the hacked community and how it will never be taken seriously.
Your "wrong" is my "right". Right and wrong is subjective so don't go "what I think is wrong IS WRONG. FACT". I and others can disagree and you can't do anything about differing opinions.
Same for Nintendo. They can't take legal action just because they hate hacking. They can only make it harder to hack their product with intent of making it impossible. And that will never happen because hackers are too good.
Brawl+ has tournaments. And Counter-Strike became really big.
And as the consumer who buys the product, we can do whatever we like with it. They have power over unsold Wiis and online services, but bought Wiis are at the consumers control.
They're not stopping people from hacking their games or systems. They're stopping people from hacking online. Even when banned, a person can still mod their Wii and play games.
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Your Wii Console and the Wii Network Service are not designed for use with unauthorized software, services, or devices or non-licensed accessories, and you may not use any of these with your Wii Console or the Wii Network Service.
Such use may be illegal, voids any warranty, and is a breach of this agreement. Such use may also lead to injury to you or others or cause performance issues or damage to your Wii Console or the Wii Network Service. We (and our licensees and distributors) are not responsible for damage or loss caused by unauthorized software, services or devices or non-licensed accessories.
We may take steps to disable or delete any unauthorized software, services or device installed in your Wii Console, for example, by detecting and disabling them through the Wii Network Service and/or game software.
DAM this is what i want brawl to be like even tho im still ok with it now. what hax? i like the air dodging system.. it adds more opening either than DIing cuz 0% KOS was too often. My hitsun was glitched.. marths tip hitstuns forever after hax
O.O Too bad this is a hack. I was considering actually playing the game. But sorry, Melee for me, as well as for the rest of the competitive community.
No, but I don't enjoy using cheap exploits. I enjoy fighting my opponent fairly to the best of my ability without using cheap system exploits. Is that a crime?
Don't call things "cheap" and "unfair". Those words are subjective and many will disagree on what you call "cheap" (Seriously, wavedashing is about as cheap as walking).
You say you enjoy fighting your opponent to the best of your ability. But by calling things "cheap" and "unfair" and not using them, you are NOT fighting to the best of your ability. You are sandbagging and your opponent should dissappointed of you holding back because YOU think "it's not fair".
Well everybody I want you to check your Melee instruction booklet and tell me if you see instructions on wavedashing. Tell me if its in the instruction booklet.
No, the SSB people who play it seriously act so arrogant, like it was THE way the game was supposed to be played, and they get mad when stuff is shown that doesn't cater to that fashion. It's like saying...in Street Fighter 2, you cannot use moves exclusive to the characters. That means no Sonic Boom, no Tiger Uppercut, and no Hadoken. Thats fucking bullshit and isn't the 'true' way to play it, it's just playing it without it's charm and pizazz.
They can play a game and have a ball, I don't give a shit really. But strip whats already in the game to it's bare form and regard that as the 'true' method of playing it and saying any other way isn't is just pure BS, and them shunning the IDEA of people using items and the like that other people would do is downright disgusting.
Non-serious Smashers are no better. They constantly attack the way tournys are played and try and change it (despite overwhelming opposition). If they want to play different (like with items), they can. Just play it with those who actually WANT to do that.
I dont really look down upon you item using casual players who are playing solely for fun, and most pros really dont. We just play our way and dont really give a fuck about you guys. Its usually the n00bs who are constantly calling us tourneyfags.
What is this "meant to be played" BS? You play it the way you enjoy. Tourney players enjoy no-items play. It's the funnest way for them to have a tourney.
No way is better then other ways. We all enjoy our own way of playing.
I don't see grabbing items mid-air, powershielding, F-tilt angling, or shieldgrabbing in the manual either. ZOMG! They didn't want us to do those?
Interviews with Sakurai show he knew about Wavedashing and left it in. It's a mechanic that comes with Melee's airdodge. It wasn't intended to be a technique though. Physics exploit.
Who cares what the developers wanted? They'd rather we play with items and have Mario Kart over Smash in tourneys.
By not respecting the developers ideas about the game you're telling them pretty much f*** them.
Its kinda of like this. Lets say if I went to buy some golf clubs. However, I never play golf but instead use them to hurt people. The makers of golf wanted you to use them to play golf not hurt people.
For the the developers (and the makers of golf), TOO FUCKING BAD. Just because they wished we played the game as THEY intended, doesn't mean we who purchased it have an obligation to do so. We as the buyer will use and enjoy it the way WE use and enjoy it. I'm not going to use their product in a way I don't enjoy.
If they didn't want us to WD, they should have removed it when they found it in Melee's development phase. But they didn't.
Again, they made the game to make money and because they enjoy making games. We bought the game to enjoy it. Once we buy it, we do what we please with it and what's in it. We have NO obligation to play it exactly as the developer intended. If we can do something else outside of the original intention (like play it competitively or WD), we will.
Developer doesn't want that? They should make it an impossibillity, NOT have it there and say "don't do it".
The developers hate competition. That's why they made Brawl the tripping, campy, and grab infinite happy mess it is. We already have But Smash (including Brawl) is inherently competitive. They need to accept that instead of trying to force their preferred playstyle.
Back to wavedashing, it's in the final game of Melee and is far from overpowered. Therefore, we will use it. If you don't like WDing, don't WD and play better then those who do instead of saying "ur cheap".
I've done some research on wavedashing and Sakurai admitted he knew about wavedashing in an issue of Nintendo Power. He siad he would've taken it out but the Melee was in the final stage of completion. Also, he felt that with it there would be a wide skill gap in Melee which he didn't want.
Basically Sakurai felt like wavedashing was cancer. He knew he had but there was nothing he could do about it.
No. Sakurai said he thought WD wouldn't really do anything to seperate gamers. Upon pros showing off it's applications, he changed airdodging in Brawl (since WD comes from Melee's airdodge). WD added depth and Sakurai hates depth in his "party game".
Sakurai thinks Competition, Skill, and Playing to Win is bad. If he had the chance, he would make us not have tournys, only play with items and time, and laugh when we trip. This is why we don't care about the developers wishes.
but without wding in the game you can't create a gap. thats the problem with brawl. there is nothing to create a gap between TRUE gamers and recreational gamers.
btw, l canceling is hard and should have to be learned and mastered, not automatic. there there is no punishment for attempting a d-air with link, unless you can cancel.
SSB64 didn't have Wavedash, yet Isai is clearly better then any newb. :/
L-cancel only creates a gap between "those who can and those who can't". That's not a good skill gap. Medium/higher-up players will basically have L-cancel as muscle memory instead of a technique.
Utilizing a technique should be the skill gap, not actually doing it. Who goes "M2K's L-cancels are too good" lol?
The thing about L cancel is that you may have the muscle memory of a shffl but you may not have it if you do something unexpected/play with flow..
Human errors are possible..
The main point with Isaiah is, you can do more stuff in ssb64 than you can in brawl.. that's why he can be so much better than most others.. He can do varies of stuff, scare them etc.. while in brawl, you can't do a single attack on a persons shield because then you'll get grabbed or get an aerial in ya face..
The point though is that at mid-to-higher levels of play, players don't really think of L-cancels. Yes, if someone misses, they get punished, but it happens so little it's negligible to the match. Players are not thinking "I'll make them miss their L-cancel" or "they may miss it here" unless it's low level play.
L-cancel is basically an arbritary tech barrier at low levels. Versus auto-low land lag (what Brawl+ does), it adds only for those who like to press buttons arbitrary.
They should respect us, if not consider us BECAUSE WE BUY THEIR FUCKING GAMES. It's their job to create the game, not tell us to not slide across the ground.
It's so much harder to edgegaurd in brawl, too. But still, I hated being stuck in inescapable combos in melee. I liked doing them but hated being in them. The decreased hitstun in brawl has its advantages and disadvantages, I guess.
Excuse me for being blind, but what hacks were used here? The comments mention wavedash, but I didn't really see anything. Though, something similar happened with Sheik.
Nope. He doesn't benefit as much as everyone else (average wavedash, already near lagless, poor aerial speed prevents new combos). Really, it brings characters to his level instead of making the gap between him and everyone else bigger.
It's not about wavedash and L-cancel. It's about being able to do combo's. The hitstun and gravity in Brawl is so low, while the knockback is high, there are so few combo's it completely takes away one of the most important things of smash. The other thing is predicting what your opponent will do, which is still in normal Brawl but since teching almost never happens in Brawl, these codes greatly increase this smash element. L-cancel and wavedash is only added to create even more possibilities.
Heheh...you're calling US crybabies? Who's being a whiny little bitch over what some people they'll probably never meet are doing to their games? What we do to our games is our business...don't like it? Well get used to it...like Zero said, stop being a fucking Nazi about things that have no effect on you...now please, stop being a waste of skin and grow a pair...
Let me guess.....you where a whipping boy in Melee right? Justice is what I call it. :) a huge Middle finger to those who tried to ruin Brawl for skilled players.
one combo... toon link, bair, bair, dair grab edge nuff said this game would suck in that manner... even though i main toon link and i wouldn't mind, everyone i play would complain about me instant killing them,
if that wasn't enough... marth fair fair dair, rob... same, it would be fun the first one to hit would take away a life immediately
i complained honestly i felt it was ridiculous, it gave no chance to the other player if they ever got caught, and its not that hard to catch a fair on someone. and no DI that is fail, then there is truly no skills in the game. you learn the 0 to death, and be the first to hit it off and that is one life, but if you see no problem with this i understand why you wouldn't like brawl... (this is not an attack just to say)
(cont)Some ppl dont like that. And if u couldnt do the combos from melee, then u probably like the fact that it is really hard for anyone to kill u from 0 to death. But if its one thing i know is that i miss comboing ppl to death. So either way go hacks. and if u want to be the self righteous jerk, that has to elaborate on why its bad to hack the game, then go get a life, and let ppl who play the game enjoy themselves.
i dont care about what they do to the game cuz either way im gonna play. Im sure that people can understand that they might be disrespecting the work of the team that worked on ssbb. However, sakurai wanted the line between noob and pro, to be parallel.
Yup, let them have their fun. If they can't compete in normal brawl and need this to have fun then let them. They don't stop the special olympics just because there are normal olympics.
What is with this retarded assumption that people who like Brawl+ more then regular Brawl aren't good at it? Didn't you notice most Melee vets are STILL on top in regular Brawl? Just because you are good at something, doesn't neccesarily mean you will like it.
Ahh I say let them have fun their way if they can't handle the playstyle of regular Brawl then I say encourage them to play this other version with the other stuff added on.
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I am against any and all hacks. Why the hell do you people feel the need to take a good game that has been worked very hard on and be made someone else's bitch? I mean really. If you made a work of art like the mona lisa, does that mean I can rip it to shreds glue it together desecrate it with Monkey feces and pig's blood, scratch out your name, call the stupid thing my own, and call everyone who didn't like it a scrub because they don't like my old view of what art should be even though it's...
been replaced by a different style of what is considered art now? People who approve of hacks sicken me. If they want to do something make your own damn game, but don't slam a popular one because you can't handle things are going in a direction you like. It's unoriginal, it's illogical, and it just goes to show that you can't adapt to changing times and that you really have no power over what people like. Competitive gaming is cool. Hacking isn't.
This goes back to why you care what other people do...and why do you? If we need to hack Brawl to actually enjoy it, then why shouldn't we? Seriously, we have full right, and whether or not YOU think it's "logical" or "original", we're not gonna stop because some self-righteous little pussy like yourself can't accept the fact that people are hacking such a "precious" game...please, cut the "righteous" bullshit and let us play the game the way we want to...
I'd prefer playing a hack than super meta-knight brothers brawl any day.
The reason this was necessary is because the game is so incredibly broken at high levels of play that it's either play MK or go home. The speeding up and balancing of characters is an attempt to make the game competitive. If someone would do this to any game I have worked on I would be delighted, not disgusted.
Im Polish so regretably I dont attend tourneys. I love Brawl as I did Melee but Brawl is to defensive while Melee was just to fast and offensive for me. I think the idea of hacking to mix up the physics is a great idea.
I would like to know what exactly is added and what is left out? I guess tripping is out and no more multiple air dodges. Hitstun seems increased also wich is good. I hope the shield is only nerfed a little so the perfect shilds wont ocur that often. What else was changed?
sorry to sound like an old stooge, but could you place a bit of credit where due for the codes? The way you're presenting it, it almost sounds like you made the code and you're the one who's going to release it... These codes mean a lot to us so please.
Yes, I was in a huge hurry when I uploaded this. Most of the credit for the codes goes to Phantom Wings and I have created a few or tweak some here and there. 90% of credit goes to PW though!
No...if we wanna play a hacked Brawl, why shouldn't we?
Everyone who says bullshit like "just play Melee" needs to shut the fuck up and let people play this game the way they want to...it's obnoxious when people act like this will have a direct effect on them...it won't, and you're not gonna stop us from hacking Brawl...
Fully agreed. Why not do something to the game if the opportunity is given to you?Especially being this easy to do these things to it? And from experimenting with brawl+, it's actually not melee or brawl, it's both in one, making it a completely different game. So saying it's melee is ignorant.
On a lighter note, anyone mess with Mario yet? He's a beast! The Doc is back!
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Lol if you want to play Melee + more characters, go ahead.
I just hope your wii bricks eventually.
You know this will never be allowed in tournaments, right? What does it matter, if you need to hack Brawl to make it like Melee you're probably shit anyways.
Haha...wow...you're pretty pathetic to have to rely on petty insults...and I doubt you're exactly a Melee pro yourself...seriously, fuck off...why do you care?
The only reason fools get mad at something like this being released is because they fear that everyone will stop playing regular Brawl once they realize what it could have potentially been. If you are reading this and you believe you do not follow this line of reasoning, then chill the fuck out and stop complaining.
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This will NEVER work, brawl was designed as a stun free, infinite airdodging, no l-canceling game. the characters were designed JUST for that, it completely destroys the games balance
just look at it, CF knee wasnt meant to hit so easily, its almost twice as strong in brawl
half these characters suck without infinite dodging, yoshi will again be the worst in the game, the mother boys will suck
snake+sonic would be useless
it would turn into a crappy 3 character game like melee
Have you even played Melee? Because I've noticed that butthurt little Brawlfags like you only trash Melee and bitch about hacking Brawl because they either didn't play Melee or made retarded chimps look good at it...
thats a stupid response. I just said melee fighting is better but brawl has aspects other than fighting that are superior to melee. So add melee's fighting to brawl and u have a better game. It's not a hard concept to understand. if peopel wanna play a hacked brawl then so be it.
Looks like L-Cancel is in too. I mean look at 0:07, Link cancels his up aerial. You can see even more cancels throughout the video too. Sorry if this has already been notified. And do I see a wavedash @ 0:41?
BRAWL + :3
sonicfox5 2 years ago
Hell everybody who commented here should check it out.
If you really care about games I recommend it.
And (I know your not supposed to start sentences with and) hey, do I appear like the type of guy who would advise you to something bad?
Again its gameoverthinker eps 4 and 11
Jerogai 2 years ago
when you bought your Wii, you agreed to not use any unauthorized software, or hardware with your Wii, which breaches the contract, voids your warranty and may be illegal depending on what you used. You broke a contract you made with Nintendo. Nobody really cares, but yes its technically illegal. It also spells out consequences for using such services at the end.
Jerogai 2 years ago
i doubt nintendo rly cares whatever the hell u do with ur wii, just no refund if u break ur wii in the process while hacking
Aacion 2 years ago
They care because they are now disabling wii's with homebrew on them.
Jerogai 2 years ago
IF you play online with them. Nintendo only messes with Homebrew Wiis if they are hacking online. And really, this only applies to Mario Kart.
Homebrew is NOT illegal. You void your warranty and can be banned from Wi-Fi services, but Nintendo cannot take legal action. You bought the product, so it's yours to do whatever with as long as you don't make money off of it in a way that steals from Nintendo (i.e. downloading ROMS instead of buying VC games). Though Nintendo STILL won't do anything.
metaXzero 2 years ago
Lol they are doing things. Haven't you heard the news. Their booting people off wifi with mario kart and the conduit.
By buying their product you made a contract with them. Is it right to break contracts?
Jerogai 2 years ago
IF you hack online. Didn't I say that? Though they've gotten lax with Mario Kart recently (hackers sitings have increased a bit).
You only enter the contract when you use online services. And by breaking it, you lose warranty and online services IF YOU ARE CAUGHT ONLINE. Nintendo doesn't care about offline mods.
metaXzero 2 years ago
Its still wrong in general. The fact that they're trying to stop it in general says something about the hacked community and how it will never be taken seriously.
Jerogai 2 years ago
Your "wrong" is my "right". Right and wrong is subjective so don't go "what I think is wrong IS WRONG. FACT". I and others can disagree and you can't do anything about differing opinions.
Same for Nintendo. They can't take legal action just because they hate hacking. They can only make it harder to hack their product with intent of making it impossible. And that will never happen because hackers are too good.
Brawl+ has tournaments. And Counter-Strike became really big.
metaXzero 2 years ago
At the end of the day its Nintendo's product and they can do whatever they like.
Jerogai 2 years ago
And as the consumer who buys the product, we can do whatever we like with it. They have power over unsold Wiis and online services, but bought Wiis are at the consumers control.
metaXzero 2 years ago
honestly, i think that if you paid $250 for the system, and $50 for the game...u should be able to do whatever the hell you want with it o.o
CheetosShock 2 years ago
But if you buy something, you have a responsibility to use it properly.
Jerogai 2 years ago
not...really o.o
CheetosShock 2 years ago
Its funny how people can hate a company and their games but get mad at them when they stop them from hacking their games.
Jerogai 2 years ago
just saying but...theres no real way to stop a hacker o.o
they thought flashcards were blacked from the DSi...and now look how many flash cards are being made for it lol
u do have some good points ill give u that some hacking is illegal *cough*iso loaders*cough* but not all
CheetosShock 2 years ago
But what gets me is that people complain about Nintendo's games.
Have you ever seen game overthinker?
Seriously if you haven't I highly recommend it.
Particularly episodes 4 and 11.
Jerogai 2 years ago
ok i'll check it out...thanks man ^_^
CheetosShock 2 years ago
They're not stopping people from hacking their games or systems. They're stopping people from hacking online. Even when banned, a person can still mod their Wii and play games.
metaXzero 2 years ago
hi ppl i dont know
sean11131995 2 years ago
I'm not trying to troll Im just stating the facts.
Jerogai 2 years ago
Chapter II: Unauthorized Software, Services, or Devices or Unlicensed Accessories
Your Wii Console and the Wii Network Service are not designed for use with unauthorized software, services, or devices or non-licensed accessories, and you may not use any of these with your Wii Console or the Wii Network Service.
Jerogai 2 years ago
Such use may be illegal, voids any warranty, and is a breach of this agreement. Such use may also lead to injury to you or others or cause performance issues or damage to your Wii Console or the Wii Network Service. We (and our licensees and distributors) are not responsible for damage or loss caused by unauthorized software, services or devices or non-licensed accessories.
Jerogai 2 years ago
We may take steps to disable or delete any unauthorized software, services or device installed in your Wii Console, for example, by detecting and disabling them through the Wii Network Service and/or game software.
Jerogai 2 years ago
so this makes it function like melee? sweet!
weikai9 2 years ago
Brawl+ is it?
nitis2 2 years ago
My main point is that your the best at something until you can no matter what happens. Whether its items, stages, characters, etc.
Jerogai 2 years ago
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*until you can win*
Jerogai 2 years ago
Lol only wavedashing? It was brawl+ the whole thing was a hack
PieHead07 2 years ago
You can wavedash in Brawl by hacking, pie.
CwasCard 2 years ago
The only hack was wavedashing.......
TLoZNarutofan 2 years ago
there were a lot of different versions but i know there is hitstun and gravity changes
wutitdo0 2 years ago
DAM this is what i want brawl to be like even tho im still ok with it now. what hax? i like the air dodging system.. it adds more opening either than DIing cuz 0% KOS was too often. My hitsun was glitched.. marths tip hitstuns forever after hax
tripmisterman 3 years ago
brawl = 35 characters
melee = 1 character ( fox ) bad game
tomaspepino 3 years ago
no u forgot marth,sheik, falco, yoshi, cf, ganon mrg&w, and roy. but i love the video thats exacly wat brawl is missing
kirox777 3 years ago
he was getting at most tourneys game is all about fox.. if not marth tho>.>
tripmisterman 3 years ago
You are a failure.
If Melee=Fox, Brawl=Meta Knight. Do you agree?
metaXzero 3 years ago 2
Mk is WAY moar dominant then Fox ever was/will be
Pi11owP4nts 2 years ago 4
Technically, Melee Marth has more tourny wins then Melee Fox and MK. But then again, it's mostly Ken, M2K, and Azen's doing.
THEN AGAIN, alot of MKs wins are coming from M2K...
metaXzero 2 years ago
Just wait a year and MK will have more wins than most of the top tiers in melee together.. :D
Mukjus 2 years ago
well simple equation about R.O.B and Brawl+
R.O.B fair+brawl+= FREKING BROKEN AS HELL
fartboys1 3 years ago
OMFG so nice
bobelloch11 3 years ago
omg i want this.
i cant wait for Brawl+
speedy0187 3 years ago
Lol hacked brawl looks amazing.
Falcon for the win.
cherazo 3 years ago
tan facilq es esquibar esos estupidos combos q tontos
juvesnake 3 years ago
Normal Brawl should of been like this. V_V
Btw..what's the name of the awesome song?
Misteraran 3 years ago 2
O.O Too bad this is a hack. I was considering actually playing the game. But sorry, Melee for me, as well as for the rest of the competitive community.
Iced1992 3 years ago
Sheeple. :P
RoadToDawn51 3 years ago
I'm just wondering what makes Melee so great and Brawl not?
XxSpiffxX 3 years ago
Hitstun.
oceanwaves83 3 years ago 2
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Tourneyfags love Melee because they can exploit the game and do glitchy/exploit crap like wavedashing.
Jerogai 3 years ago
Hi Mr. casualfag! So I take it you enjoy being grab-released, infinited and Chaingrabbed across the stages?
And how's no items, Meta Knight only, Final Destination?
metaXzero 3 years ago
No, but I don't enjoy using cheap exploits. I enjoy fighting my opponent fairly to the best of my ability without using cheap system exploits. Is that a crime?
Jerogai 3 years ago
Don't call things "cheap" and "unfair". Those words are subjective and many will disagree on what you call "cheap" (Seriously, wavedashing is about as cheap as walking).
You say you enjoy fighting your opponent to the best of your ability. But by calling things "cheap" and "unfair" and not using them, you are NOT fighting to the best of your ability. You are sandbagging and your opponent should dissappointed of you holding back because YOU think "it's not fair".
metaXzero 3 years ago 2
This game's winner is: metaXzero!
fallenangemon0 3 years ago
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Jerogai 3 years ago
Well everybody I want you to check your Melee instruction booklet and tell me if you see instructions on wavedashing. Tell me if its in the instruction booklet.
Jerogai 3 years ago
don't worry there's a category for people like you, Noob.
GunShade 2 years ago
No, the SSB people who play it seriously act so arrogant, like it was THE way the game was supposed to be played, and they get mad when stuff is shown that doesn't cater to that fashion. It's like saying...in Street Fighter 2, you cannot use moves exclusive to the characters. That means no Sonic Boom, no Tiger Uppercut, and no Hadoken. Thats fucking bullshit and isn't the 'true' way to play it, it's just playing it without it's charm and pizazz.
Jerogai 2 years ago
They can play a game and have a ball, I don't give a shit really. But strip whats already in the game to it's bare form and regard that as the 'true' method of playing it and saying any other way isn't is just pure BS, and them shunning the IDEA of people using items and the like that other people would do is downright disgusting.
Jerogai 2 years ago
Oh my bad then I get you now.
GunShade 2 years ago
Non-serious Smashers are no better. They constantly attack the way tournys are played and try and change it (despite overwhelming opposition). If they want to play different (like with items), they can. Just play it with those who actually WANT to do that.
metaXzero 2 years ago 3
I dont really look down upon you item using casual players who are playing solely for fun, and most pros really dont. We just play our way and dont really give a fuck about you guys. Its usually the n00bs who are constantly calling us tourneyfags.
madara021 2 years ago
???
I don't play with items 0_o
metaXzero 2 years ago
Which is why my comment was directed at Jerogai.
madara021 2 years ago
But I got the E-mail reply. lol
Eh. He'll see it anyway.
metaXzero 2 years ago
Would you play street fighter without doing a hadouken, tiger uppercut, or sonic boom?
Is that the way street fighter was meant to be played?
Jerogai 2 years ago
You can't turn off SF specials. fail comparison.
What is this "meant to be played" BS? You play it the way you enjoy. Tourney players enjoy no-items play. It's the funnest way for them to have a tourney.
No way is better then other ways. We all enjoy our own way of playing.
metaXzero 2 years ago 7
You can't turn off sf specials correct, however you can choose not to do them.
Similar to playing without items and claiming it as the best way to play the game in regards of skill.
Jerogai 2 years ago
People have opinions. Tourney players just like the style of no-items more then with-items.
Doesn't help that their is barely an item tourney scene and what little we've seen of tourney play isn't interesting.
metaXzero 2 years ago
The makers of the game never wanted you to wavedash. Check your instruction booklet on instructions for wavedashing and tell me if you see it.
Jerogai 3 years ago
I don't see grabbing items mid-air, powershielding, F-tilt angling, or shieldgrabbing in the manual either. ZOMG! They didn't want us to do those?
Interviews with Sakurai show he knew about Wavedashing and left it in. It's a mechanic that comes with Melee's airdodge. It wasn't intended to be a technique though. Physics exploit.
Who cares what the developers wanted? They'd rather we play with items and have Mario Kart over Smash in tourneys.
metaXzero 3 years ago
By not respecting the developers ideas about the game you're telling them pretty much f*** them.
Its kinda of like this. Lets say if I went to buy some golf clubs. However, I never play golf but instead use them to hurt people. The makers of golf wanted you to use them to play golf not hurt people.
Jerogai 3 years ago
For the the developers (and the makers of golf), TOO FUCKING BAD. Just because they wished we played the game as THEY intended, doesn't mean we who purchased it have an obligation to do so. We as the buyer will use and enjoy it the way WE use and enjoy it. I'm not going to use their product in a way I don't enjoy.
If they didn't want us to WD, they should have removed it when they found it in Melee's development phase. But they didn't.
metaXzero 3 years ago
If you don't respect the developers then why should they respect you? Your pretty much telling the developer f*** him.
Jerogai 3 years ago
Again, they made the game to make money and because they enjoy making games. We bought the game to enjoy it. Once we buy it, we do what we please with it and what's in it. We have NO obligation to play it exactly as the developer intended. If we can do something else outside of the original intention (like play it competitively or WD), we will.
Developer doesn't want that? They should make it an impossibillity, NOT have it there and say "don't do it".
metaXzero 3 years ago
If that's the case then I hope you don't expect the next smash bros to be made just for you.
Jerogai 3 years ago
The developers hate competition. That's why they made Brawl the tripping, campy, and grab infinite happy mess it is. We already have But Smash (including Brawl) is inherently competitive. They need to accept that instead of trying to force their preferred playstyle.
Back to wavedashing, it's in the final game of Melee and is far from overpowered. Therefore, we will use it. If you don't like WDing, don't WD and play better then those who do instead of saying "ur cheap".
metaXzero 3 years ago 4
Yeah I've beaten people who've wavedashed before.
Jerogai 3 years ago
I've done some research on wavedashing and Sakurai admitted he knew about wavedashing in an issue of Nintendo Power. He siad he would've taken it out but the Melee was in the final stage of completion. Also, he felt that with it there would be a wide skill gap in Melee which he didn't want.
Basically Sakurai felt like wavedashing was cancer. He knew he had but there was nothing he could do about it.
Jerogai 2 years ago
No. Sakurai said he thought WD wouldn't really do anything to seperate gamers. Upon pros showing off it's applications, he changed airdodging in Brawl (since WD comes from Melee's airdodge). WD added depth and Sakurai hates depth in his "party game".
Sakurai thinks Competition, Skill, and Playing to Win is bad. If he had the chance, he would make us not have tournys, only play with items and time, and laugh when we trip. This is why we don't care about the developers wishes.
metaXzero 2 years ago 10
Nintendo Power issue said that there was a big gap in gamers because of wavedashing.
Jerogai 2 years ago
WD didn't make you good. Utilizing it right did. It made a gap like Shielding right makes a gap. That's not bad.
An ACTUAL bad gap was from L-canceling. While it sped the game up and helped characters, their was no reason for it to be a manual thing.
metaXzero 2 years ago 2
but without wding in the game you can't create a gap. thats the problem with brawl. there is nothing to create a gap between TRUE gamers and recreational gamers.
btw, l canceling is hard and should have to be learned and mastered, not automatic. there there is no punishment for attempting a d-air with link, unless you can cancel.
thabithskit 2 years ago
SSB64 didn't have Wavedash, yet Isai is clearly better then any newb. :/
L-cancel only creates a gap between "those who can and those who can't". That's not a good skill gap. Medium/higher-up players will basically have L-cancel as muscle memory instead of a technique.
Utilizing a technique should be the skill gap, not actually doing it. Who goes "M2K's L-cancels are too good" lol?
metaXzero 2 years ago
The thing about L cancel is that you may have the muscle memory of a shffl but you may not have it if you do something unexpected/play with flow..
Human errors are possible..
The main point with Isaiah is, you can do more stuff in ssb64 than you can in brawl.. that's why he can be so much better than most others.. He can do varies of stuff, scare them etc.. while in brawl, you can't do a single attack on a persons shield because then you'll get grabbed or get an aerial in ya face..
-No options.
Mukjus 2 years ago
The point though is that at mid-to-higher levels of play, players don't really think of L-cancels. Yes, if someone misses, they get punished, but it happens so little it's negligible to the match. Players are not thinking "I'll make them miss their L-cancel" or "they may miss it here" unless it's low level play.
L-cancel is basically an arbritary tech barrier at low levels. Versus auto-low land lag (what Brawl+ does), it adds only for those who like to press buttons arbitrary.
metaXzero 2 years ago
With Isai, my point (IIRC) was you don't need WD in a Smash game to make a gap.
And yes, Brawl has little options.
metaXzero 2 years ago
Nintendo Power aren't tourney players...
metaXzero 2 years ago
Wow...I know this was written a while ago but I couldn't say it better myself. Thank you.
jono128 2 years ago
@metaXzero That was the best thing I've ever read from a youtube comment.
Liljoegi 1 year ago
They should respect us, if not consider us BECAUSE WE BUY THEIR FUCKING GAMES. It's their job to create the game, not tell us to not slide across the ground.
fallenangemon0 3 years ago
Melee has an incredible amount of depth gameplay-wise.
In Brawl, a lot of what made Smash fun (even in 64), was removed.
Brawl does have amazing graphics and music though.
But it doesn't make up for the lack of Edge Game, Hit Stun, and being able to step backwards.
Plus everybody is floaty and the characters are more imbalanced than ever before.
<3
WhatBadGod 3 years ago
It's so much harder to edgegaurd in brawl, too. But still, I hated being stuck in inescapable combos in melee. I liked doing them but hated being in them. The decreased hitstun in brawl has its advantages and disadvantages, I guess.
NELdaKID 3 years ago
Already, this vid is sorta of outdated lol
metaXzero 3 years ago
omg HAX FALCON FOR GOD TIER!!!!
UberVaati 3 years ago
It's almost like there was a combo!
QDRC 3 years ago
/Song name?
Insignia6 3 years ago
DID YOU POST /r/ ON 4CHAN ANON?
Mirado34 3 years ago
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
vvvvtwo 3 years ago
just seeing Falcon combo into knees again... makes me nearly shed a tear of joy
Tekami 3 years ago
Excuse me for being blind, but what hacks were used here? The comments mention wavedash, but I didn't really see anything. Though, something similar happened with Sheik.
TNinja0 3 years ago
ARGH!!! ITS NOT LOADING!!!
SphincterBoyJenkins 3 years ago
Will the final vid use the new hitstun hacks (which kills Falco and Dedede's CGs)?
metaXzero 3 years ago
Just ban MK from tournys and be on your way.
boboblaster999 3 years ago
did u fix ganondorf's horrible landing lag and clunky movement also?
MR. knight is broken out of his mind with this also MIRITE?
massivegun 3 years ago
Yes. L-cancel hack FTW!
Nope. He doesn't benefit as much as everyone else (average wavedash, already near lagless, poor aerial speed prevents new combos). Really, it brings characters to his level instead of making the gap between him and everyone else bigger.
metaXzero 3 years ago 2
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Brawl with hacks?
That's a low blow.
reddokun 3 years ago
How?
metaXzero 3 years ago
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Excuses for a Wavedash, and L-Cancel.
Don't like Brawl as it is? Don't play it then. But heck don't hack it, it's pathetic.
Still being crybabies due to the lack of wavedash?
reddokun 3 years ago
Don't like hacks? Don't play with them. But don't be a fucking Nazi and tell us not to hack. We will do as we please
It's fucking pathetic how guys like you BAAAW about something that won't effect you. Though it does show THE REAL crybabies on these vids.
metaXzero 3 years ago 10
It's not about wavedash and L-cancel. It's about being able to do combo's. The hitstun and gravity in Brawl is so low, while the knockback is high, there are so few combo's it completely takes away one of the most important things of smash. The other thing is predicting what your opponent will do, which is still in normal Brawl but since teching almost never happens in Brawl, these codes greatly increase this smash element. L-cancel and wavedash is only added to create even more possibilities.
Lawrencelot89 3 years ago 5
Heheh...you're calling US crybabies? Who's being a whiny little bitch over what some people they'll probably never meet are doing to their games? What we do to our games is our business...don't like it? Well get used to it...like Zero said, stop being a fucking Nazi about things that have no effect on you...now please, stop being a waste of skin and grow a pair...
SmasherCinder 3 years ago 2
Let me guess.....you where a whipping boy in Melee right? Justice is what I call it. :) a huge Middle finger to those who tried to ruin Brawl for skilled players.
Tiajuan 3 years ago 3
C.Falcon isn't half bad with these hacks :)
ephue 3 years ago 2
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I saw more spectacular things in brawl combo videos... I keep play Melee instead of Brawl whit hacks..
ChrissDangerous88 3 years ago
Yo Chriss!
Could you point me into the direction of these videos :)
metaXzero 3 years ago
Vids or it didn't happen...
SmasherCinder 3 years ago
oh S***
and btwi can see C.Falcon is your person to use
solosoloblackdude 3 years ago
0:54 to 0:58
SHUFFL-ing.
=D
ShippuudenBoy108 3 years ago
:D!
SoapSoapCrayon 3 years ago
one combo... toon link, bair, bair, dair grab edge nuff said this game would suck in that manner... even though i main toon link and i wouldn't mind, everyone i play would complain about me instant killing them,
if that wasn't enough... marth fair fair dair, rob... same, it would be fun the first one to hit would take away a life immediately
dragonmaster951753 3 years ago
That's Smash 64. Brawl won't become like that unless we remove DI and add 64 style hitstun.
Also, most good Marth's did that in Melee, yet no one complained...
metaXzero 3 years ago
i complained honestly i felt it was ridiculous, it gave no chance to the other player if they ever got caught, and its not that hard to catch a fair on someone. and no DI that is fail, then there is truly no skills in the game. you learn the 0 to death, and be the first to hit it off and that is one life, but if you see no problem with this i understand why you wouldn't like brawl... (this is not an attack just to say)
dragonmaster951753 3 years ago
(cont)Some ppl dont like that. And if u couldnt do the combos from melee, then u probably like the fact that it is really hard for anyone to kill u from 0 to death. But if its one thing i know is that i miss comboing ppl to death. So either way go hacks. and if u want to be the self righteous jerk, that has to elaborate on why its bad to hack the game, then go get a life, and let ppl who play the game enjoy themselves.
sygma07 3 years ago
i dont care about what they do to the game cuz either way im gonna play. Im sure that people can understand that they might be disrespecting the work of the team that worked on ssbb. However, sakurai wanted the line between noob and pro, to be parallel.
sygma07 3 years ago
Yup, let them have their fun. If they can't compete in normal brawl and need this to have fun then let them. They don't stop the special olympics just because there are normal olympics.
cynaru1234 3 years ago
What is with this retarded assumption that people who like Brawl+ more then regular Brawl aren't good at it? Didn't you notice most Melee vets are STILL on top in regular Brawl? Just because you are good at something, doesn't neccesarily mean you will like it.
metaXzero 3 years ago 2
I think it's funny that all these nameless scrubs keep saying that I can't compete in normal Brawl just because I prefer hacked Brawl. Lulz.
WifiWarsVideos 3 years ago
And sadly, their will be more to come.
BTW, add "Brawl+" to the tags.
metaXzero 3 years ago
Yeah, because Super Smash Meta-Knight: Brawl is totally competitive.
SoapSoapCrayon 3 years ago
Ahh I say let them have fun their way if they can't handle the playstyle of regular Brawl then I say encourage them to play this other version with the other stuff added on.
RebelinOverdrive 3 years ago
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I am against any and all hacks. Why the hell do you people feel the need to take a good game that has been worked very hard on and be made someone else's bitch? I mean really. If you made a work of art like the mona lisa, does that mean I can rip it to shreds glue it together desecrate it with Monkey feces and pig's blood, scratch out your name, call the stupid thing my own, and call everyone who didn't like it a scrub because they don't like my old view of what art should be even though it's...
mktranma 3 years ago
been replaced by a different style of what is considered art now? People who approve of hacks sicken me. If they want to do something make your own damn game, but don't slam a popular one because you can't handle things are going in a direction you like. It's unoriginal, it's illogical, and it just goes to show that you can't adapt to changing times and that you really have no power over what people like. Competitive gaming is cool. Hacking isn't.
mktranma 3 years ago
This goes back to why you care what other people do...and why do you? If we need to hack Brawl to actually enjoy it, then why shouldn't we? Seriously, we have full right, and whether or not YOU think it's "logical" or "original", we're not gonna stop because some self-righteous little pussy like yourself can't accept the fact that people are hacking such a "precious" game...please, cut the "righteous" bullshit and let us play the game the way we want to...
SmasherCinder 3 years ago 4
Brawl sucks ass.
RadicallyDreaming 3 years ago
I'd prefer playing a hack than super meta-knight brothers brawl any day.
The reason this was necessary is because the game is so incredibly broken at high levels of play that it's either play MK or go home. The speeding up and balancing of characters is an attempt to make the game competitive. If someone would do this to any game I have worked on I would be delighted, not disgusted.
SoapSoapCrayon 3 years ago
in hacked version u cant use L?
supershadowlink 3 years ago
hahaha hey cinder!
wgwolverine 3 years ago
^^; Haha, sup?
Aaaaaand to be on topic, Brawl+ FTW ^^;
Hrm...I should add a Brawl+ section to H4x0RZ...that would be awesome...
SmasherCinder 3 years ago
<<Evil E
aggression.. im disappointed in you.
Philbuck91 3 years ago
uhhh why?
AggressionSsbb 3 years ago
nice Brawl + vid i have a match of me playing on my profile
chrisoutten 3 years ago
Whats the music called ? Its damn epic....
LastRambo341 3 years ago
Debating about Brawl vs Brawl+ can be saved for the void of smashboards.
On to much more important issues: what is the name of the song in this video.
NovaX81 3 years ago
Dammit Nova! Marry me already.
KingHippo99 3 years ago
Wow, that honestly looks awesome. It looks like the 64 style combos actually. I loved 64.
elementaldrgnmstr 3 years ago
Incredibly stupid.
And now you hate me. :D
Ademo02 3 years ago
I'm looking forward to it.
Rodriguezjr 3 years ago
esta chido asi pero para eso sta el melee aunque le falten monos jeje bay
wonfsmacho 3 years ago
Im Polish so regretably I dont attend tourneys. I love Brawl as I did Melee but Brawl is to defensive while Melee was just to fast and offensive for me. I think the idea of hacking to mix up the physics is a great idea.
I would like to know what exactly is added and what is left out? I guess tripping is out and no more multiple air dodges. Hitstun seems increased also wich is good. I hope the shield is only nerfed a little so the perfect shilds wont ocur that often. What else was changed?
Pitylord 3 years ago
if only normal brawl would be like that!
Better graphics, more characters, melee physics.
fapnoob 3 years ago
sorry to sound like an old stooge, but could you place a bit of credit where due for the codes? The way you're presenting it, it almost sounds like you made the code and you're the one who's going to release it... These codes mean a lot to us so please.
Trunaur68 3 years ago
Yes, I was in a huge hurry when I uploaded this. Most of the credit for the codes goes to Phantom Wings and I have created a few or tweak some here and there. 90% of credit goes to PW though!
WifiWarsVideos 3 years ago
this might actually make me wanna play brawl again. I think brawl shouldve been something like this in the first place
EFRAMB 3 years ago
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Then go play Melee.
ShockAndTerror 3 years ago
No...if we wanna play a hacked Brawl, why shouldn't we?
Everyone who says bullshit like "just play Melee" needs to shut the fuck up and let people play this game the way they want to...it's obnoxious when people act like this will have a direct effect on them...it won't, and you're not gonna stop us from hacking Brawl...
SmasherCinder 3 years ago 4
Fully agreed. Why not do something to the game if the opportunity is given to you?Especially being this easy to do these things to it? And from experimenting with brawl+, it's actually not melee or brawl, it's both in one, making it a completely different game. So saying it's melee is ignorant.
On a lighter note, anyone mess with Mario yet? He's a beast! The Doc is back!
oliverwonder 3 years ago 3
I'd love to play with a hacked Brawl with this stuff!
I'm just saying people who say "This is how Brawl should've been" are dumbasses.
ShockAndTerror 3 years ago
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Lol if you want to play Melee + more characters, go ahead.
I just hope your wii bricks eventually.
You know this will never be allowed in tournaments, right? What does it matter, if you need to hack Brawl to make it like Melee you're probably shit anyways.
Heck, you're probably shit at Melee, too.
ShockAndTerror 3 years ago
Haha...wow...you're pretty pathetic to have to rely on petty insults...and I doubt you're exactly a Melee pro yourself...seriously, fuck off...why do you care?
SmasherCinder 3 years ago
Lol, you're the one cursing your head off =P.
ShockAndTerror 3 years ago
*and trying to defend yourself
ShockAndTerror 3 years ago
The only reason fools get mad at something like this being released is because they fear that everyone will stop playing regular Brawl once they realize what it could have potentially been. If you are reading this and you believe you do not follow this line of reasoning, then chill the fuck out and stop complaining.
WifiWarsVideos 3 years ago
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This will NEVER work, brawl was designed as a stun free, infinite airdodging, no l-canceling game. the characters were designed JUST for that, it completely destroys the games balance
just look at it, CF knee wasnt meant to hit so easily, its almost twice as strong in brawl
half these characters suck without infinite dodging, yoshi will again be the worst in the game, the mother boys will suck
snake+sonic would be useless
it would turn into a crappy 3 character game like melee
AggressionSsbb 3 years ago
Have you even played Melee? Because I've noticed that butthurt little Brawlfags like you only trash Melee and bitch about hacking Brawl because they either didn't play Melee or made retarded chimps look good at it...
SmasherCinder 3 years ago
You don't know shit about Melee and you don't know shit about these hacks. STFU about how you hate them. We will do as we please.
metaXzero 3 years ago
Uh, Yoshi already does suck and so do the mother boys?
RadicallyDreaming 3 years ago
Side tournaments are already planned dumbass. This isn't meant to replace Brawl.
And what does how good a person is have to do with this? They don't enjoy Brawl (or are bored of it) and want something new.
metaXzero 3 years ago
thats a stupid response. I just said melee fighting is better but brawl has aspects other than fighting that are superior to melee. So add melee's fighting to brawl and u have a better game. It's not a hard concept to understand. if peopel wanna play a hacked brawl then so be it.
EFRAMB 3 years ago
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idiot
AggressionSsbb 3 years ago
Look who's talking...
SmasherCinder 3 years ago
this looks fuckin great fun
t03nemesis 3 years ago
Looks like L-Cancel is in too. I mean look at 0:07, Link cancels his up aerial. You can see even more cancels throughout the video too. Sorry if this has already been notified. And do I see a wavedash @ 0:41?
zaladen 3 years ago
do i spot a knee > taunt combo at 1:03???
Zebra350 3 years ago
No, it was made how it should be =S.
If you're going to hack Brawl to be more like Melee, you might as well just play Melee.
ShockAndTerror 3 years ago