Glenn Beck 20091016 Part 1/4

[backrubs62]

less government control in our every day lives. leave the medical care alone, especially when over 80 percent of america is happy with the health care they have

[thegamercave]

Dude you rock!!

i agree with you 100%!!

[wamerocity]

got a source to back up that ridiculously inaccurate statistic?

[backrubs62]

zogby and rasmussen polls about six weeks ago

[wamerocity]

again, do you have a SOURCE.

Secondly, those polls don't take certain things into consideration like WHICH insurance people are on. There's a big difference between people on Medicare and people on normal insurance. Despite the fact that 16% of people don't have insurance, that means the people polled only 4 out of the 84% remaining are happy with their insurance? Please. That statistic is about as accurate as saying 9/10 people enjoy gangrape.

[wamerocity]

Ironic that 70% of doctors in the country support a public option, myself included.

[psnsam]

Yeah, I am all for capping the outrageous salaries of doctors in this nation. Maybe we will have a system like in China where doctors' pay scales are dictated by their age and years of practice.

Wooohoooo !!!

[thegamercave]

I agree that doctors are freaking rich..but i also don't want to be like china!lol!

[wamerocity]

That's called a straw man argument, when you say that I'm in favor of doing something, (capping doctors salaries) and then attacking it. I'm not against it- I'm in medical school - I want doctors to be justly compensated. A public option won't change that.

[psnsam]

Well, the point is a public option will destroy competition. Government comes in displaces the private insurers. Once, they are gone government decides that health-care funding is costing it too much. So, it starts looking at ways to reduce costs.The first casualty to the next bout of health care reform is doctors' pay checks. Don't kid yourself. Economics is not the realm of doctors. It is like an economist advising you on drug prescriptions.

[wamerocity]

Actually, a public option is the only thing that will DRIVE competition. Competition in economics is a force that drives prices DOWN, and there is no force in the insurance market. People don't "shop" for insurance, the vast majority are tied to an insurance through their job. A public option will force insurance companies to offer better service or lower prices. It doesn't mean the private institutions will go out of business. The post office exists with UPS and FedEx just fine.

[psnsam]

Lol! was waiting for you to bring this up . The USPS is quasi-governmental its something of a hybrid. By quasi governmental I mean it was made into a profit center.A government institution which has to be competitive and not require the gov't to absorb its loses if any by the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970. Thus Fedex and UPS have not been crowded out.

[psnsam]

This postal model can't be aplied to the health care sys 'cos one would have to rebuild the entire health care setup from scratch. Public option = cheap insurance. Which means to prevent "crowding out' of private insurers we need to have separate govt run hospitals for people with govt health insurance. I don't see that happening in USA. So, what we in our hand right now is just an Utopian formula where public option is viable. The reality is public option without total over haul = disaster.

[psnsam]

If its just plain old public option. Then brace yourself for a steep pay cut in a few years time.

[wamerocity]

The phrasing in the bill requires the public option to be paid for completely with the funds paid into it. It MUST be budget neutral. So how is that different than how the post office is run? It doesn't say the government has to absorb the cost if the program is under-budget.

[psnsam]

Well we don't know what form the final bill will take. I am not against a health care reform bill. I am just against a taxpayer money guzzling, big government, socialist type bill.

[wamerocity]

In fact, many people are lucky to even GET insurance. Try shopping for insurance if you have a pre-existing condition through no fault of your own. Remember, a gov't plan will still have to pay bills. It's not just paid by others' taxes, its a system people still have to pay INTO. But it will be cheaper. If the gov't is really so inefficient as everyone claims, then a gov't run plan won't be able to compete with private insurers so you're worried about nothing.

[jslmvk]

wamerocity- There is no proof of that, that is a made up statistic. Every Doc I know is fighting it. I know a lot of people who will not support the legislation that will force all docs to give abortions and if liberals are in charge of health care that will happen.

[serratusPI]

Thanks for posting. Finally, some honest debate on the national scene among doctors. Who knows the real problems and solutions for healthcare better than the physicians? This upcoming bill is a disaster waiting to happen and we need more doctors to stand up and speak out against it. (As if the whitehouse and Congress is listening anyway)