Plasma Propulsion MHD

[jacquesgambl36]

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[blaircolon36]

This video went viral on Nauru

[gilbondfac]

@blaircolon36 Pardon ? i don't understand ?

[Haunebu357]

@gilbondfac Did you get any thrust with this experiment (not spinning)?

[120dbdavid]

Crop Circles How There made with flying Farm Equipment-part 1

[TVperson1]

OH GOD MY EARS!!

[tirano099]

Salut je voudrai bien savoir avec quel matériaux réaliser ce phenomen merci

[MIDNAq1LINK]

Why does it rock back and forth and doesn't move forward?

[kirock747]

F=ma. Nice light show though.

[Fabsi16]

And what is this thing doing?

[ZiozoneEmperor]

MY FREAKIN EARS

[exn666]

you need vacuum inside to avoid this annoying sounds

[Epidemiax19]

Plasma sounds like a crazy dog on drugs

[joshanator1]

jesus, that thing makes one god awful raket!

[yappertrap]

what am i looking at?

[Heeimweired]

how much power / size magnet does it require to lift itself?

[jmaeng89]

@Heeimweired I think the whole piece is suspended between wires.

[SkyGuyXD]

It hears like Wall-E screaming like a bitch.

[animalnt]

that shits annoying, prefer rocket fuel thanks

[thedirtbiker12]

Thumbs up if you clicked on this video cause it sounded cool..

[420Woltar]

@thedirtbiker12 Yes, but IMHO i never (stoned;) wit um.."Post-Newtonian"theories,s­lightly hidden, usually only found by the few who can visualiz how gravity performs, easily creating a possible, multiunction SuperSonic, fully frictionless, resonate powervia simply tuning the electromagnetic bubble to move freely or resist, making no g force inside "cabin"... or computer pilot. Ive made Classic "FLyinBell" shaped unit that hit 650mph b4 I Lost 1/4mile away-saved by bush. Waitin on UPS fer parts!!

[bangkokhermetik]

JA RRIVEPAS A CERNER? cesexperiencen mhd ont pas ete deja realisees??

[hipodromo4854]

idiot you can see the string holding the device

[helleboye]

Co za Azy!

[Car5lover]

@helleboye you spelt "co za asy" wrong :)

[senchele]

That was really cool! Good job!



[bnejaforever]

WUAAU ESE COLOR..SE PARECE A LO QUE ESTABA EN EL CIELO...EN THAILANDIA?

[MIGUEL2005LIMA]

electromagnetic compass. if it is in the vaccuum dont propulse nothing.only spin

[jamesHoughton1978]

glowing, flying, squeeky, metal matchbox, caught in bell jar...

[thedeviluknow]

@jamesHoughton1978 That alone sounds like an awesome invention, I'd buy one.

[codehendrix]

can you create magnetic levitation without a magnet on the bottom?

[trx125tracy69]

that damn sound isn't doin shit!!!!

[xsupernazix]

Sounds like the intro to Plug in Baby

[fagggg101]

dull vidieo

[tAiLsFrOmThEdOlL]

Your camera doesn't like magnets.

[tAiLsFrOmThEdOlL]

EAR RAPE!!!

[beastological]

sounds like ur torturing r2d2

[drummerdudex017]

I'd NEVER drive a car making that kind of fucking noise!

[Andrius319]

its very simple. there is a vire who suplyes electrons and a vire inside emmits electrons, so projected electrons from up to down are affected by magnet's force called Lorenc force. so electrons goes left, magnets goes right. there is nothing more easer...

[brickofman]

lol be a good class interruption turn it on WTF IS THAT

[heatflash888]

I don’t understand, it’s suspended on a wire, a plasma is being created but where is it propelled?

[NARUTO4rEaL4]

you dont even explain what you're doing, retarted

[Wazabooz]

cool, but it just swings back & forth?

[JohnDoeXXII]

@Wazabooz For now! Think of the implications it'll have once some serious engineering gets done on this phenomenon!

[Altimicus]

@JohnDoeXXII Actualy, It's been made many years ago, many satellites use similar types of propulsion

[hardstyle905]

@JohnDoeXXII a rocket with solid fuel of this size would be 100x as powerful. plasma propulsion is nice to watch but way to weak to be done anything useful with.

[thedeviluknow]

@hardstyle905 Except for all of the areas it's already used of course, like satellite station-keeping, deep space probes etc. And all of the applications for other types of plasma propulsion which we may see one day such as high speed manned travel throughout the inner solar system and faster, more capable unmanned missions to the outer system. Besides that though, yeah chemical rockets from the early 20th century are the way to go, if you're into antiques anyway.

[hardstyle905]

@thedeviluknow yeah just like transformers right? invented centuries ago but everyone is still using them. old doesnt have to mean bad.

[thedeviluknow]

@hardstyle905 What newer technology exactly would have replaced the humble Transformer? Old certainly doesn't mean bad, but it often means less good than newer technology, do you have a cassette walkman or an mp3 player? b&w or colour tv?

[hardstyle905]

@thedeviluknow like i said. plasma propulsion is newer, but not better. it is too weak to lift a rocket into space. of course for "smaller" tasks like you mentioned, keeping satellites at altitude, it's a good choice.

[thedeviluknow]

@hardstyle905 Well yeah but nobody is proposing to use it in a space launch capacity, a couple pounds thrust is not going to help much against 1g, in space though and pushing for weeks or months it offers far better performance than a chemical rocket blasting for a few minutes. The right tool for the right job, dude.

[gilbondfac]

@thedeviluknow Deep space one ...do you know "ion thruster"

[thedeviluknow]

@gilbondfac Yup, DS1 was the first deep space trial of Ion Engines as far as I remember, gave some quite excellent results too. I really wish there were more missions around to get the various electric propulsion systems into more regular operation.

[owfped]

@hardstyle905

I think "weak" is the result of energy available, not the technology problem. For example, with e=0.5mv^2, F=Vm/t, you can see high speed propellant takes great deal of energy. So for the fixed energy available, engine propels less matter. So the force is smaller. If you can make matter eject at light speed, a few grams will be very powerful because its mass will increase as well.

[Behemoth9223]

@owfped Trying to sound smart much? Isnt that exactly what hardstyle905 said....also umm, mass doesn't increase. lol... If you eat alot your mass will increase, but it doesn't on its own......................ALSO I think what you mean is e=mc^2 which, makes it impossible to propell matter at light speed.

[owfped]

@Behemoth9223 Don't you understand when matter travel at lower than light speed the energy is 0.5mv^2. Mass increase to light speed, my be I should say, close to light speed, then the mass will be m/(1-(v/c)^2)^0.5. So it will increase. Anyhow, show me your try face, don't use pretend you are the terminator. you probably have big mass on yourself! Shame to show that, haha.

[goose2goose2]

@owfped wow ! english not your first language eh?

[foxmcloud555]

@Behemoth9223 Mass does actually increase exponentially as you aproach light speed. at light speed, mass becomes infinite which requires infinite energy to accelerate, hence why something with mass cannot reach light speed.

[TheC1c2c3c4c]

@Behemoth9223 actually E= MC ^2 only apply's on a subatomic scale; (but apparently if you travel faster than light just because the light behind you will appear to slow, time must somehow be slower to) so some idiot decided that speed must be linked with time and thus creating a paradox that doesn't exist. besides all that if you measure the speed of light, can both change stop and turn around depending on the forces acting on it. i can go on but i'm out of room (feel free to batter my comment)

[MegaKrispy123]

@TheC1c2c3c4c  Yeah no.

[TheC1c2c3c4c]

@MegaKrispy123 yea i know.... that was random blabber i was looking for someone to debate random facts with :P

[1ace1000]

The wire holds it in place, and may even supply power to the thruster. Rather noisy, though...

[desirap]

i see a string . fake

[nyczumazooma]

I think they sell these in head shops and/or sharper image!

[exsodea]

its makeing me def!

[dragnack]

Je m'en doute bien, je vois les équations de maxwell cette année, la dynamique des fluides fait aussi partie du programme. Après j'ai de bonne notion en électro/magnéto- statique et mouvement de particules chargées. Par contre je ne sais pas du tout si cela sera suffisant pour une étude du propulseur vasimr ( j'en doute fort même ).

Bon je vais voir.

[dragnack]

Je pourrais me déplacer durant les vacances scolaires, mais avant cela il me faut une idée précise de ce que je vais faire et que j'entame mon étude.

Pourquoi cette question?

[gilbondfac]

@dragnack je posais cette question dans l'éventualité de se rencontrer pour en parler mais je n'aurai pas assez de temps car je m'occupe des labos et prépare la fête de la science.mais en attendant tu pourrais voir plus en avant le site UFO science ou le site de Jean Pierre Petit chercheur en MHD je le connais personnellement .. et crois tu te trompes il y a encore beaucoup à étudier en milieu liquide et en mode plasma je n'en t'en parle pas !! connais tu la mécanique des fluides,équation

[gilbondfac]

@dragnack équations de maxwell, ioniseur pariétaux....franchement si tu ne commence pas en milieu liquide avec les formules de base, tu ne comprendras jamais la MHD...Bon courage

[gizmo664100]

@gilbondfac but plasma cant exist in a vaccum because its a gas so this cant be plasma right?

[TomRiddleRF]

@gizmo664100 Plasma is not gas.

education[ dot ]jlab[ dot ]org/qa/plasma_01.html



[Hadleton]

@gizmo664100 Plasma is ionized particles. Not a gas. Gas is considered the 3rd state of matter, Plasma by some is considered the 4th.

[dragnack]

J'ai donc aussi regardé les propulseur MPD plus classique et plus simple ( comme ceux équipant les satellites pour leurs permettre de corriger leur trajectoire) mais là aussi j'ai l'impression qu'il n'y a pas beaucoup de chose à voir sur le plan théorique.

Ensuite je comprend parfaitement le fait que vous n'ayez pas beaucoup de temps et je ne le critique pas du tout, je râlais juste parce que ces questions je les avais posées début juin ce qui remonte à environ 2 mois.

[gilbondfac]

@dragnack  peux tu te déplacer?

[dragnack]

Merci pour la réponse. En ce qui concerne la mhd dans l'eau, je l'avais déjà vu mais ce n'est pas exactement ce vers quoi je voulais aller ( l'étude théorique du principe est trop simple, a moins que je ne me trompe ). Je pensais plutôt à un propulseur spatial du style vasimr, mais je ne sais pas du tout si je serais capable de réaliser l'étude d'un tel système.

[dragnack]

Aoash2: i really don't think that he tries to reproduce the VASIMR thruster, VASIMR is more complex than a classic mhd thruster and uses other physical phenomena. All this for say that he only presents the mhd principles.

Gilbondfac: Est-ce que je peux espérer avoir une réponse un jour pour mes 2 questions ( que j'ai qu'en même posé 3 fois ), ou dois je abandonner l'idée ?

[aoash2]

except the maximum impulse is like 1 newton of force. Great for a satellite, but VASMIR is way ahead of you

[The7of1]

Pathetic! and look a piece of wire suspending the magnets.

dude a 4 year old could do this but what would be the point.

Your time would have been better spent watchng paint dry.

....Yes i can but why should i? USD? lol what ya going to do with that? buy a seat in the divine treasury? lol

[psyker40000]

what do you use to ignite the gas into plasma

[dragnack]

Voilà ce que j'avais posté:

" je suis en classe préparatoire ( PSI) et dans le cadre des TIPE de l'année prochaine (mobilité et mouvement) je souhaitais faire une étude des propulseurs magnéto-plasma dynamique. Je voulais savoir si cette étude était envisageable à mon niveau ( et donc à l'aide des outils mathématiques dont je dispose), et ce que cherchait a montrer cette expérience. Cordialement "

Dans l'attente d'une réponse..

[gilbondfac]

@dragnack ok vue ! mais tu sais je travaille dans une fac de science et le temps ... je n'en ai guère !

mais pour ta question il faudrait que tu commences par les propulseurs en milieu liquide ....regarde ma vidéo sur MHD in Water et on en rediscute..merci !

[dragnack]

+1 pour Democrature. Des réponses pour les commentaires inutiles mais pas pour les questions pertinentes ou pour les personnes qui s'intéressent. C'est vraiment dommage

[gilbondfac]

@dragnack excusez ! mais que voulez vous savoir? au juste-- je réponds à 40 mails par jour et cette expérience est basique !? connaissez vous la MHD ?

[Democrature]

Et un Troll de plus !!

Plus j'y réfléchis et moins je comprend l'intention de l'expérience. La propulsion MHD a besoin de fluide, quel était donc le but recherché en faisant l'expérience dans une cloche sous vide ?? Car du coups cela se rapprocherait d'avantage de ceux qui y voient le très contesté phénomène "anti-gravité" via l'effet Biefeld-Brown.

[MaikelSing]

On voit ton fil imbécile!

[gilbondfac]

@MaikelSing Pour la millième fois ! c'est le fil qui le maintien je n'ai jamais voulu le cacher ....! cette manip est en la labo de recherche mais si tu veux la voir ! aucun problème ! see you soon

[thinkofwhy]

Ever see a plasma ball flying through the air, around crop circles? Russian/American dark project.

Anyway, I remember seeing a video, 10 - 15 years ago, about a metallic sphere with an EMF that generated a plasma surrounding the sphere. It was powered by a satellite laser and could fly around, JUST LIKE THE ORBs OF LIGHT. What a coincidence.

The plasma was manipulated, spun, like a vortex, in order to propel and steer the sphere. You might wanna head in that direction, use a sphere.

[Democrature]

Bonjour gilbondfac, très intéressant mais on reste un peu sur notre faim. Dommage que tu perdes ton temps à ne pratiquement répondre qu'aux trolls qui parlent de trucage sans savoir de quoi il est question exactement. D'autres on posé plusieurs fois les mêmes questions, bien plus intéressantes, mais toujours pas de réponse !

Pourquoi cette expérience dans une chambre vide ? étant donné que le plasma est certainement l'air résiduel ionisé, d'avantage d'air aurait donné un résultat plus nette ?

[gilbondfac]

@dragnack bonjour ! que voulez vous savoir au juste?

[dragnack]

@gilbondfac je suis en classe préparatoire ( PSI) et dans le cadre des TIPE de l'année prochaine (mobilité et mouvement) je souhaitais faire une étude des propulseurs magnéto-plasma dynamique. Je voulais savoir si cette étude était envisageable à mon niveau ( et donc à l'aide des outils mathématiques dont je dispose), et ce que cherchait a montrer cette expérience. Cordialement

[Talz1803]

OMG, if I was watching this on TV i would say Holy shit those effects suck ass! And yet this is real life? Mabye CGI isn't all that it is cracked up to be!

[KoenVandewalle]

J'ai fait qqch pareil sans plasma. C'est le "lancement" du premier electron, qui atteint presque la vitesse de lumière et qui obtient une "masse énorme" à cause de sa vitesse élévé. Le champ électrique ou magnétique (comme chez moi) pousse sur cette électron "lourde" ce qui donne une force de réaction sur les éléments causant le champ éléctrique (ou magnétique si vous voulez). très pratique comme propulsion satellite, parce-que pure electrique, mais faible en rendement.

Beaucoup de succes !

[RecklessTornado]

It looks and sounds like those Star Wars droids.

[Stenodyon]

Quelle puissance a nécessité cette expérience ? 10 kW ? 100 kW ?

[gilbondfac]

@Stenodyon ha ! ha! pas tant ! 20 W à l'amorçage et 12 w en continu

(12000*0.001= 12w)

[Stenodyon]

@gilbondfac Ah d'accord, je pensais pas que l'intensité serait aussi faible ^^

Je pense que je vais tenter de reprendre mon projet alors, j'essaie de fabriquer un petit propulseur ^^

[smde1]

plus belle qu'une poubelle

[impavitus]

hey, so if thats really in a vacuum, I should hear no sound from it. What then is that noise coming from?

[QwukeStudioz]

@impavitus its coming from the plasma of 300milibars.

[MichelleDri]

@impavitus

I was wondering the same thing.

[SirCrapsAlotTheThird]

That will be the last sound you hear before you brain explodes.

[kafoure93]

why is there a string holding up the magnets in the cylinder? and what exactly is the point of this demonstration?

[QwukeStudioz]

@kafoure93 its a demonstation of a weaker[yet still amazing] plasma magnetic thuster. see those starwars movies? yeah, just watch those with your pillow.

[henrykay01]

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[laminarwing]

je peux faire mieux chez moi question trucages ... avec un fil plus transparent !

[gilbondfac]

@laminarwing essayer de comprendre ce que cette expérience représente ! ce n'est pas un trucage, c'est de la physique des plasmas, pour le fil c'est normal !

il faut bien le maintenir il ne vole pas encore !c'est juste un modèle de propulsion !

[07206655]

throw some bass in there and you got yourself a club hit

[mreinstein48]

Au cas où vous ne le sauriez pas, la technologie est déjà bien connue et utilisée par les USA ....

[eric1love]

beautiful man, beautiful!

[phantomofoz]

i know it says plasma propultion for the title,but how is that supposed to propelle a craft? (not trying to be aragant,just trying to learn more.

[2011FindTheTruth]

Once the voltage of thrust is achieved, it becomes exponential from there.

[2011FindTheTruth]

meant to add that there is plenty of plasma in space.

[01101100d]

really cool stuff.

[ida1919]

@marestejar : go read what lorentz force is, how does it physically apply to our world, take a couse on electromagnetic theory, then come back and read what you have written again..

[marestejar]

@ida1919

Mr. teacher, please read this:

US Patent Application 20090085411 - Propulsion Device Using Lorentz Force

[siggie30]

Nice, do you give everyone advise that takes 4 months to learn? It is a fair question, and perhaps if you cannot answer it, you could have directed him to a resource that could.

[ida1919]

well, sadly the question is gone. But as far as i remember; he got the basics wrong. Perhaps I could have done what you have said. But I guess any one can search on google or wikipedia and read.

[MrSharo21]

@marestejar @marestejar guess some rules are meant to be broken

[lupusbebe]

J'aimerai y croire, mais en regardant BIEN attentivement, vous verrez un fil très fin au-dessus.

[gilbondfac]

@lupusbebe pour la énième fois que je réponds à cela! c'est l'alim HT.fils + en haut et masse en bas! that's all c'est une maquette mais qui fonctionne de propulseur alimenté

[rsolano60]

purple LED

[GingleGangle1]

How does it work?

[graphicianist]

look emg the electric guitars heheh

[mandraak84]

Ridicule§.

[kayadi]

idiot il y a un fil qui retient ton objet.L'experience est legerement fausse et donc invalide ce que tu pretends montrer

[gilbondfac]

111030 vues ! crois tu qu'ils t'ont attendu pour voir la même chose que toi? c'est un des fils d'alimentation ! de plus je ne prétends pas qu'il flotte ! que sais tu de la magnétohydrodynamique!

[brelamich]

kayadi abruti

[apedcen]

Ok, you ignite plasma by high freq. voltage, + 2 NdB magnets do the job. Do the magnets loose remainance due to overheating by plasma? I guess they could stand few seconds...

[cosminx2003]

you should start negotiating with nasa:p

[BlueEarthRising]

This sounds EXACTLY like the UFO's in the old films made in the 50's and 60's.

HAHHAHA, amazing.

[coop614]

@BlueEarthRising Yea i was saying the same thing, but this is absolutely amazing.....just imagine what the disclosed gov't has

[CrewOfRocketMen]

I am doing something similar to this for a science fair.. What gas did you use to get the plasma that color?

[gilbondfac]

no gaz !!! it's nitrogen from the air oxygen

[one199]

whats going on?

[xtremetoastymadness]

12 kV, yikes... o.O

Depending on the amperage, that could practically kill you instantly.

[biowerks]

Yes, depending on the amperage it could kill you but so can 1V...depending on the amperage. A taser is over 12kV.

[Sup3I2Son1c]

Amperage depends on resistance dummy.

1V could push 30A if the resistance is low, but it couldn't push enough amperage through human body no matter what.

[biowerks]

True... I was just making the point that just because something is HV doesn't make it dangerous. Thanks for the clarification.

[Elevationary]

You dont give enough information,and any how your using two magnets over another two,you dont even state if you used any gases,or what is going on inside the vacum,that is if there was a vacum involved in this experiment..........,just a silly email address,and what voltage are you using?

[120dbdavid]

take a look at flying saucers how they fly we can build our own see if it gives you any ideas

[wamione]

Very interest these experiments.!

[passwordresetisbroke]

Is it a sign of stupidity that the explanatory diagram almost made my brain explode?

Soo how does this work? If its in a vacuum what are the magnets attracting/repulsing to generate thrust? and what is that light and noise?

thanks

[TheKaos90]

how does this work??

[Gsaum2008]

lol i stated in a origami papper airplane.

[951ajb]

man i startd on acid trip wtf.... verry interesting demo tho and yeah its noisy but think about all the stuff u can do with plasma power.... yeah a lil noise wont killd u

[Tapecutter59]

Started on stand up comedy.

[Kayato601]

started with WWII videos......

[AmurgAprins]

I started on youporn and got here +_+

[TaKeAgUeSsS]

@AmurgAprins LMAO~

[faustomx]

Excellent!

[einendrehen]

i started with autobahnraser and now im here O,o

[computerlover0000]

i started with tetris and found this?

[BigFreakingCacodemon]

lol i started with nethack videos and got to this somehow xD

[imboor3d]

hehe

[nuclearbananaphone]

If you look closely they're both being spun on a wire.

[ashthelefty]

the wires only to hold it into place otherwise it would fall to the ground.

[PorSiempreElMetal]

jaja it is a sophisticated multi tone door bell!!! or a flato simulator

[dragonmanj]

i get the jist of Lorrentz force from the diagram. im sure we could use this but i also noticed that it wasnt out alot of thrust on to make the magnets continually spin around instead of a half circle. basically i want to know how fast could this system potentially reach?

[koglowa]

fast as fuck

[nothke]

can someone explain me what is this about?

[gilbondfac]

do you know the lorrentz force ?

[alphabees]

next time do the test in a vacuum chamber if possible because the noise is so loud and annoying

[realorshee]

retarded egoictic idiot...you can use mute... imagine only how many times he had to hear this shit and if he posted it without a sound , some other retared idiot would come and say its a fake...

u dont belong to the watchers list at all, and i think social part of your surroundings will agree with me.

[WorldWideGlide]

Wow its a noisemaking floating thingy with a purple light. Flabbergasting!!!

[TheSecretOfTheCurse]

im sorry like i said to everyone else my friend has been using my youtube and said she was dead

[xxxxfatcatxxxx]

OMG is spinning :D

[beeohhski]

if it was in a vacum chamber there would be no noise

[gilbondfac]

yes ! it's not in the chamber ! you heard the power

supply with the modulated frequency !

[mazdacar6]

Yeah it is mostly electricity you see see. But the purple glow is what is the plasma. The surface of an electric bolt (or the corona) is actually hotter than the sun. So when the air in the atmosphere comes into contact with something that hot. The atoms want to shed an electron. In doing so. They get excited and glow to make a plasma. Before the pick up another electron and calm down to make way for the other atoms. Plasma moves very fast. Good for propulsion and such.

[fiendfourthree]

i'd be careful you might get cancer from playing with this. cause as everyone knows... you can get cancer from anything these days.

[butkatrello]

yea that's all fine a dandy, so float and make noise. sounds like #!*+