If you naively believe that this filter isn't part of a plan to block freedom of speech then you must PROVE IT ! You can't just say it is so because YOU said so. Evidence please.
STEPHEN CONROY,IF YOU SEE THIS,STICK YOUR SOCIALIST AGENDA HARD UP YOUR ASS.WE'RE NOT ALL BRAINDEAD DICKHEADS WHO CAN NOT SEE THE SOCIALIST SCUMBAG THAT YOU ARE,AND WHO WOULD VOTE FOR LABOR OR THE GREENS.STICK YOUR SOCIALIST AGENDA HARD UP YOUR ASS,AND I HOPE YOU GET BLOWN AWAY HARDER THAN JFK! SLOWLY MORE PEOPLE ARE SEEING WHAT YOU,AND JULIA GILLARD ARE DOING TO THIS COUNTRY,AND WHAT YOUR ALL ABOUT! SO STICK YOUR SOCIALIST AGENDA HARD UP YOUR ASS,AND FUCKOFF OUT OF OUR LIVES!
fckn brilliant piece. I really see no need to worry about this because Internet censorship won't pass through. Either the greens and the coalition will turn it down, or even in the highly unlikely even it does go through... it won't go anywhere due to the reasons you've stated (other means of distributing information/sites). China has already admitted that it's met a dead end, and Conroy supposedly assumes that the ACMA can do better? what a joke!
@AngryAussie I can, he's Stephen fucking Conroy, cunt has no brains. I remember seeing some interview where he claimed the greatest technological achievements over the last decade were, the iphone, ipod, ipad and itunes, because they showed that you can monopolise online commerce....he obviously never heard of ebay or internet porn.
the worst part is, if this block goes through and is anything like china's, then it could be circumvented by some skilled hackers anyways...., which is what i find kinda odd. It's like Lars Ulrich of Metallica taking some music sharing site to task and a lawsuit only then to not bother with various other sites that did the same thing (cause hackers have an interesting way of circumventing most any system LOL)
Most people are asking the wrong questions. There is no support for this filter. This should have nothing to do with net speeds, and everything to do with our freedoms and civil liberties. Lets see Labor make this front and centre part of their campaign pledge and we'll see just how well they do in the upcoming elections. Simple!
@calumcoburn In case you haven't noticed, in Labor's PR that makes you a child porn freak. And that bullshit is working. Nobody gives a fuck about your ideals of freedom - they are too fucking lazy and stupid
Bravo. The problem is Australians have been losing 'rights' exponentialy since '96. There's an expression; "Freedom cannot be given it must be taken". Australians are just too damn timid to really frighten their politicians into giving back their rights. Australia is the archtypal 'Nanny State'. Oh,and Australia has no such thing as 'Freedom of Speech'. Bet those Republicans are less enthusiastic now; time to return to the saner UK.
@AngryAussie I agree. The camera ratio per square kilometer is terrible. The NHS is also a problem for Libertarians like myself. But the difference is people actually complain and with the new govt there's a real chance of change. A Libertarian spirit lives in Britain while In Australia people are happy to submit to the nanny state - that comes from a study done on Australian attitudes to authority. Camera surveillance is not even commented on. Re ur vid - Very good points you made.
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
@AquaRing Exactly. And the end result is a nation of infants. People seem ignorant of the fact their children will grow into adults and have to live in an infantile society. NO ONE talks about Liberty in Australia. The children (KIDS) argument is repulsive, but plenty of sheeple agree with it.
A paradigm shift in motion. Government is supposed to be of the people - for the people. Government is now a means of manipulating the people to satisfy religious or business minorities agendas. Voting is simply a means of shuffling the same interests to ensure we think we have a choice, whilst guaranteeing we don't. Case in point - internet filtering. Vote Labour out and watch Liberals carry on where they left off. Choice? Really???
You and I both know, this battle against the filter has gone none-where for waaaaaaaay too long now. More people are aware then ever before, but the gov isn't budging. The BS that is being crammed down our throats and how mainstream media is completely behind it, sickens me. If this goes through, I will honestly have lost faith in our country.
You and I both know, this battle against the filter has gone none-where for waaaaaaaay too long now. More people are aware then ever before, but the gov isn't budging. The BS that is being crammed down our throats and how mainstream media is completely behind it, sickens me. If this goes through, I will honestly have lost faith in our country.
This is a hard and tedious process but it does stop the government from introducing the problems of filtering and it will shut them up on there crusade to stop the websites. Although I don't agree with it I do think that if filtering is allowed it does leave a window open for some corrupt polititian in the future to make such bans on websites it just makes it a possibility not an enevitability.
@ganggles77 in South Australia thet tried to make it ILLEGAL to comment on the election via blogs etc. How much longer will Australia be called a 'liberal democracy' on par with Western Europe, and N. America? I think - unless there's a change, it will be like Singapore in 30 yrs - or less.
I think that if this does go through the government have to put some effort into making it convinient for people, this is a long shot but I think that having a website should just have a liscence type deal the manager signs there ID into the person in charge along with there website layout on a USB drive, whatever and then has to have it passed by government and this has to be followed up in person.
I think you're giving the Government too much credit. If a child porn website is found, or a site inciting violence or terrorism, it should be CLOSED and the people running the site should be prosecuted (that is what happens now). This filtering proposal, which would leave a website open but block access to Australians, has absolutely nothing to do with these illegal activities, and this needs to be made clear to people if we're to have any hope of opposing filtering.
4:40 "I think the Governments proposal actually comes from a principled position, they saw some very bad stuff that the Fed Police showed them...etc."
Filter the porn, filter hate sites, filter this, filter that and next they gona be filtering AngyAussie for speaking out and others like him. For our protection off course.
I must say one thing your right about the net filter but who gives a fuck if its a win or loose the new filter wont mean shit to a VPN....... we have already won why because the governments more useless with the net then a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. But whats worse???? OH we all voted them into power!!!!!!! hmmmm what next lol
IF not in bad IP range then it never gets filtered..
If the IP is in a bad range (i.e bad hosting Co) then the web address URL is checked against the IWF lists of bad URLs. If the URL is not on the bad list then the connection happens like normal. If the IWF proxy finds the URL requested on it's bad list then a '404 page not found' is returned. Illegal abuse sites are rarely found in AUS, GB, NZ, IRL. thanks to the IWF.
What the fuck are you on about.? The government's plan is to filter ALL internet traffic. PLUS the won't answer any further questions and are advancing their plans in secret.
What an intelligent response, a sign of true intellect. And in response to your delightful video: Name me one human activity, which involves humans relating to each other, which humans themselves have not defined of or set standards for. Why should it be any different for the internet? It shows that the government is being realistic about stopping illegal material in cyberspace. In other words its standing up to the bullies of this world.
Get your guts fucked you worthless slimy little cunt. You're fucking scum and you will die with nobody every having given a fuck about anything you have ever done or said.
Face the reality of that as you cry yourself to sleep you whining little bitch.
there is just one thing you mentioned regarding a conspiracy theory, that there will not be blanket restriction on freedom on information. that nothing would get out.
here's the problem, if something is censored, how do you know it's censored if the list is secret? the Qld dentist was the perfect example of this. they would have never even known if their own website was being blocked if the list wasn't leaked.
i just can't contain my rage for conroy sometimes.
Just a question though, didn't think of it until now for some reason.
But they said they would introduce the legislation sometime this year... Wouldn't it be a little difficult for them to get it passed since it needs to go through the House of Representitives and the Senate before having a chance to be passed? Guess I'm just hoping it will be hard for them. >_>
dont worry. anonymous is fighting this shit. on saturday this week they are going to all capital cities in AUS to protest. im going to be participating in sydney.
according to wikipedia, they are banning buying anything that is illeagel in australia, for example, forign consols and games that aint released in aus due to their adult nature, load of fucking bullshit, their should b a law against facisum in a democracy.
A family friendly ISP is a good idea. Give the restrictions to those who want them instead of forcing it upon those who don't. I also think that if kiddie porn is the problem, then the millions they could spend on this filter (Howard's plan would have been $30m, I can't find the cost of Rudd's) should go to the federal and state police to help fight the child porn trade (since it's already illegal in Australia under a separate law to the classification act).
i dont mean offense and i might be missing your point, but how are you, hell, the whole australian community, going to come about having this filter removed, because from what ive seen, the gov (labor party) seems pretty set on its ideals.
@PorcupinePower we are a democracy. We can pursued our local federal representitives that this idea is wrong, run for a position in parliment ourselves, protest, boycott, or vote against the incumbent government.
i've heard about the internet filter 4 australia and i think it is going to completely fail in its attempt there are also rumours of other countrys taking this on if my government takes this shit wipe of a system on board they will never hear the end of it from me and countless others i say filer go fuck yourself as i have never need u as my software is all the net protection i need
well allow me define it shortly after seeing your video a friend of mine in australia emailed me saying tht he recived a email from the government telling him his site was being entered into the list and was removed all his site was a page to rant about stuff like spam and crap like tht. thats 1 way of it failing the rest have been pointed out by yourself so those circumstances this filter plan is going to fail
@arhoptt What about the attorney general in SA.. hes the only one with the "no" for an R18+ Rating and is cockblocking the rest of us Aussies. If he gets a bullet, or at least 20 that the comment below states.. there wont be no "no" for such a Rating, am i correct?
I thought it might be an appropriate response to this government failure.There is so much wrong with this filter that it is simply not compatible with democracy or 21st century Australia. Not only that everything they set out to achieve is nullified by the fact that technology like TOR is widely available to circumvent this filter. All we are left with is an even further degraded internet infrastructure, costing millions of dollars, and a solidified reputation for being backwards / paranoid
If this gets implemented I'm renouncing my Australian citizenship and leaving. Censoring our internet - and by extension our information - is un-Australian.
This is very informative :) I'm surprised that Rudd's government is endorsing this, forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't it supposed to be centre-leftist?
I'd imagine an Aussie ACLU would be all over this by now?
How is someone like that getting away with attempting to represent centre-leftist principles of a liberal party? I suppose that is the nature of "politics", though.
Well how would the government even begin to "filter" content discussed in chat rooms, IMs, e-mail, etc? That would require a massive "big brother" overhaul of the current system in which the government monitors every single message of every single user at any single given point.
Aside from being grossly impossible financially and resource-wise, such measures seem to go against any principle of civil rights!
Not that the US is exempt from such criticism. (*cough* Patriot Act *cough*)
Yes but in doing so, like you mention in your video, the country (if democratically-inclined) runs the risk of filtering out non-offensive or legal sites, too. Would that mean that the government wants to ban all traffic coming from lets say, specific Yahoo or MSN servers?
How would it ban illegal discussion and material being sent through Google mail servers and the like?
First they censor the internet, and before you know it your children will be born with micro chips telling them how to think, it will happend when people let this type of shit forced controllment go whitout taking action, is Australia a fucking commy state now? .. in America we have the Patriot Act (radio survelliance, the death of Freedom of Speech) .. dont sell your soul! .. fuck the gov!
Apparently Conroy has admitted that the ACMA made a mistake over at watch?v=Xz7Fb50RRDw
But the filter isn't 100% implemented yet - so when it is implemented and the ACMA makes another "mistake" then it will take a hell of a long time to get it rectified.
Strangely I have not heard too much about the filter since around May this year. I have heard a few repeats of what has already been said here and there. It makes me wonder what Conroy is up to.
The same debate is part of my course at Griffith Uni under the subject Info Policy and Governance. We had to submit a report whether we are pro filtering or anti filtering. I chose the latter and gave valid evidence and proof to support it :)
There are so many other alternatives that you can choose from.
Would I be completely off base by comparing Conroy to Bush? Cause what you said he's doing in 1:251:44 sounds a lot like what Bush was doing about the Iraq war.
If you naively believe that this filter isn't part of a plan to block freedom of speech then you must PROVE IT ! You can't just say it is so because YOU said so. Evidence please.
TelecasterLPGTop 2 months ago
@TelecasterLPGTop Fuck off and die you self important little bitch
AngryAussie 2 months ago
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STEPHEN CONROY,IF YOU SEE THIS,STICK YOUR SOCIALIST AGENDA HARD UP YOUR ASS.WE'RE NOT ALL BRAINDEAD DICKHEADS WHO CAN NOT SEE THE SOCIALIST SCUMBAG THAT YOU ARE,AND WHO WOULD VOTE FOR LABOR OR THE GREENS.STICK YOUR SOCIALIST AGENDA HARD UP YOUR ASS,AND I HOPE YOU GET BLOWN AWAY HARDER THAN JFK! SLOWLY MORE PEOPLE ARE SEEING WHAT YOU,AND JULIA GILLARD ARE DOING TO THIS COUNTRY,AND WHAT YOUR ALL ABOUT! SO STICK YOUR SOCIALIST AGENDA HARD UP YOUR ASS,AND FUCKOFF OUT OF OUR LIVES!
MsTsarbomba 9 months ago
Did you ever do a piece on the leaked blacklist? I remember something like 3/4 of it was completely legal material.
vikeyev1 1 year ago
@vikeyev1 Essentially, yes
AngryAussie 1 year ago
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KaylinJH 1 year ago
fckn brilliant piece. I really see no need to worry about this because Internet censorship won't pass through. Either the greens and the coalition will turn it down, or even in the highly unlikely even it does go through... it won't go anywhere due to the reasons you've stated (other means of distributing information/sites). China has already admitted that it's met a dead end, and Conroy supposedly assumes that the ACMA can do better? what a joke!
foofaklai 1 year ago
@foofaklai I just can't believe he won't let it go
AngryAussie 1 year ago
@AngryAussie I can, he's Stephen fucking Conroy, cunt has no brains. I remember seeing some interview where he claimed the greatest technological achievements over the last decade were, the iphone, ipod, ipad and itunes, because they showed that you can monopolise online commerce....he obviously never heard of ebay or internet porn.
vikeyev1 1 year ago
really? i would have thought my friend would have told me about this. (she lives is australia)
snoopy3100 1 year ago
@snoopy3100 Maybe she doesn't care
AngryAussie 1 year ago
@USAdude30 Cheers
AngryAussie 1 year ago
@USAdude30 The kiddie porn and things like that
AngryAussie 1 year ago
This threatens: 1 Peoples Individual freedom, 2 Buisness, 3 Our economy.
For once people and big companies alike have a common goal.
The population with the backing of large companies should be enough to show our governement that this plan is a turd that needs to flushed.
danedj47 1 year ago 4
@danedj47 It's a stupid idea all round
AngryAussie 1 year ago
the worst part is, if this block goes through and is anything like china's, then it could be circumvented by some skilled hackers anyways...., which is what i find kinda odd. It's like Lars Ulrich of Metallica taking some music sharing site to task and a lawsuit only then to not bother with various other sites that did the same thing (cause hackers have an interesting way of circumventing most any system LOL)
millerchance007 1 year ago
@millerchance007 The worst part of the plan is it won't work
AngryAussie 1 year ago
Most people are asking the wrong questions. There is no support for this filter. This should have nothing to do with net speeds, and everything to do with our freedoms and civil liberties. Lets see Labor make this front and centre part of their campaign pledge and we'll see just how well they do in the upcoming elections. Simple!
calumcoburn 1 year ago
@calumcoburn In case you haven't noticed, in Labor's PR that makes you a child porn freak. And that bullshit is working. Nobody gives a fuck about your ideals of freedom - they are too fucking lazy and stupid
AngryAussie 1 year ago
Bravo. The problem is Australians have been losing 'rights' exponentialy since '96. There's an expression; "Freedom cannot be given it must be taken". Australians are just too damn timid to really frighten their politicians into giving back their rights. Australia is the archtypal 'Nanny State'. Oh,and Australia has no such thing as 'Freedom of Speech'. Bet those Republicans are less enthusiastic now; time to return to the saner UK.
antoninus138 1 year ago
@antoninus138 Are you fucking joking? Do some research into the level of surveillance in the UK
AngryAussie 1 year ago
@AngryAussie I agree. The camera ratio per square kilometer is terrible. The NHS is also a problem for Libertarians like myself. But the difference is people actually complain and with the new govt there's a real chance of change. A Libertarian spirit lives in Britain while In Australia people are happy to submit to the nanny state - that comes from a study done on Australian attitudes to authority. Camera surveillance is not even commented on. Re ur vid - Very good points you made.
antoninus138 1 year ago
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
Cynichook 1 year ago
@Cynichook That is such a cliché
AngryAussie 1 year ago
@AngryAussie Doesn't mean it isn't relevant...
Cynichook 1 year ago
@Cynichook It completely worthless
AngryAussie 1 year ago
@Cynichook and that is why I absolutely HATE the "think of the children" line of thought.
AquaRing 1 year ago
@AquaRing Exactly. And the end result is a nation of infants. People seem ignorant of the fact their children will grow into adults and have to live in an infantile society. NO ONE talks about Liberty in Australia. The children (KIDS) argument is repulsive, but plenty of sheeple agree with it.
antoninus138 1 year ago
A very good video, thanks for giving me back some faith in humanity
TheGamerfjortis 1 year ago
@TheGamerfjortis You're welcome
AngryAussie 1 year ago
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A paradigm shift in motion. Government is supposed to be of the people - for the people. Government is now a means of manipulating the people to satisfy religious or business minorities agendas. Voting is simply a means of shuffling the same interests to ensure we think we have a choice, whilst guaranteeing we don't. Case in point - internet filtering. Vote Labour out and watch Liberals carry on where they left off. Choice? Really???
Elapses 1 year ago
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You and I both know, this battle against the filter has gone none-where for waaaaaaaay too long now. More people are aware then ever before, but the gov isn't budging. The BS that is being crammed down our throats and how mainstream media is completely behind it, sickens me. If this goes through, I will honestly have lost faith in our country.
wyrwich 1 year ago
You and I both know, this battle against the filter has gone none-where for waaaaaaaay too long now. More people are aware then ever before, but the gov isn't budging. The BS that is being crammed down our throats and how mainstream media is completely behind it, sickens me. If this goes through, I will honestly have lost faith in our country.
wyrwich 1 year ago 3
@wyrwich The government's refusal to listen is truly disturbing
AngryAussie 1 year ago
You know where I'd like to shove their secret blacklist.
Fanscale 1 year ago
@Fanscale That will get you censored!
AngryAussie 1 year ago
This is a hard and tedious process but it does stop the government from introducing the problems of filtering and it will shut them up on there crusade to stop the websites. Although I don't agree with it I do think that if filtering is allowed it does leave a window open for some corrupt polititian in the future to make such bans on websites it just makes it a possibility not an enevitability.
ganggles77 1 year ago
@ganggles77 in South Australia thet tried to make it ILLEGAL to comment on the election via blogs etc. How much longer will Australia be called a 'liberal democracy' on par with Western Europe, and N. America? I think - unless there's a change, it will be like Singapore in 30 yrs - or less.
antoninus138 1 year ago
I think that if this does go through the government have to put some effort into making it convinient for people, this is a long shot but I think that having a website should just have a liscence type deal the manager signs there ID into the person in charge along with there website layout on a USB drive, whatever and then has to have it passed by government and this has to be followed up in person.
ganggles77 1 year ago
@ganggles77 A better solution than the current proposal is required
AngryAussie 1 year ago
First the government will steel all porn from us then they will move on to
youtub then newgrounds and then all fun in general
Then all websites that suggest the governments senile
The end is coming.
qwer58j 1 year ago
@qwer58j Or maybe that's just paranoid
AngryAussie 1 year ago
@AngryAussie In this we should expect the worst and hope for the best.
qwer58j 1 year ago
@qwer58j We should fight for what's right
AngryAussie 1 year ago
(2/2)
I think you're giving the Government too much credit. If a child porn website is found, or a site inciting violence or terrorism, it should be CLOSED and the people running the site should be prosecuted (that is what happens now). This filtering proposal, which would leave a website open but block access to Australians, has absolutely nothing to do with these illegal activities, and this needs to be made clear to people if we're to have any hope of opposing filtering.
MelbourneMr 1 year ago 2
@MelbourneMr I think you're being presumptuous and ignorant.
AngryAussie 1 year ago
@AngryAussie
Maybe you're just too full of yourself to understand my point.
I won't waste further time on you or your channel.
MelbourneMr 1 year ago 2
@MelbourneMr Fuck off you pathetic childish cunt. Nobody gives a fuck about you and nobody ever will.
AngryAussie 1 year ago
@AngryAussie
i think the mandatory internet filter is for the simple minded.
once the filter is passed, everyone would be after stephen cockroys head
and canberra will burn
robbie84 1 year ago
@robbie84 Not even close. Nobody gives a shit
AngryAussie 1 year ago
(1/2)
4:40 "I think the Governments proposal actually comes from a principled position, they saw some very bad stuff that the Fed Police showed them...etc."
MelbourneMr 1 year ago
wtf? you are calm.. ive never seen this side of you! the background helps though..
123woohoo 1 year ago
@123woohoo Variety is the spice of life
AngryAussie 1 year ago
Filter the porn, filter hate sites, filter this, filter that and next they gona be filtering AngyAussie for speaking out and others like him. For our protection off course.
garagecrap 1 year ago
@garagecrap It's a very risky path to take
AngryAussie 1 year ago
Well said Angry Aussie.
Bottal 1 year ago
Cheers
AngryAussie 1 year ago
you have some great vids dude
good to see the fire in the aussie spirit
I must say one thing your right about the net filter but who gives a fuck if its a win or loose the new filter wont mean shit to a VPN....... we have already won why because the governments more useless with the net then a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. But whats worse???? OH we all voted them into power!!!!!!! hmmmm what next lol
ArcaneDevo 2 years ago
That will not only NOT help with the fucked up speeds it will make it worse
AngryAussie 2 years ago
ip-for-site->(ISP)->website
ip-for-bad-site->(ISP)->IWF-proxy->no site.
IF not in bad IP range then it never gets filtered..
If the IP is in a bad range (i.e bad hosting Co) then the web address URL is checked against the IWF lists of bad URLs. If the URL is not on the bad list then the connection happens like normal. If the IWF proxy finds the URL requested on it's bad list then a '404 page not found' is returned. Illegal abuse sites are rarely found in AUS, GB, NZ, IRL. thanks to the IWF.
bonniekwacha 2 years ago
What the fuck are you on about.? The government's plan is to filter ALL internet traffic. PLUS the won't answer any further questions and are advancing their plans in secret.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
there is no need to be so agressive and rude
Alexei270 2 years ago
Don't be such a whiny fucking bitch
AngryAussie 2 years ago
What an intelligent response, a sign of true intellect. And in response to your delightful video: Name me one human activity, which involves humans relating to each other, which humans themselves have not defined of or set standards for. Why should it be any different for the internet? It shows that the government is being realistic about stopping illegal material in cyberspace. In other words its standing up to the bullies of this world.
Alexei270 2 years ago
Get your guts fucked you worthless slimy little cunt. You're fucking scum and you will die with nobody every having given a fuck about anything you have ever done or said.
Face the reality of that as you cry yourself to sleep you whining little bitch.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
there is just one thing you mentioned regarding a conspiracy theory, that there will not be blanket restriction on freedom on information. that nothing would get out.
here's the problem, if something is censored, how do you know it's censored if the list is secret? the Qld dentist was the perfect example of this. they would have never even known if their own website was being blocked if the list wasn't leaked.
i just can't contain my rage for conroy sometimes.
iwashere33 2 years ago
Everything about the "plan" is wrong.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Very well said!
Justinmac44 2 years ago
Thank you
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Just a question though, didn't think of it until now for some reason.
But they said they would introduce the legislation sometime this year... Wouldn't it be a little difficult for them to get it passed since it needs to go through the House of Representitives and the Senate before having a chance to be passed? Guess I'm just hoping it will be hard for them. >_>
Justinmac44 2 years ago
They won't introduce it until after the election
AngryAussie 2 years ago
@AngryAussie
I'm under the impression that it will be implemented before the election. I could of course be wrong.
Knightyme 2 years ago
They don't want it to be an election issue. They will try to keep it quiet.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
True, even the most inaccurate and rudimentary filters slows down broadband speeds by 50% and the more accurate filters are even slower.
pratt123 2 years ago
It will suck
AngryAussie 2 years ago
dont worry. anonymous is fighting this shit. on saturday this week they are going to all capital cities in AUS to protest. im going to be participating in sydney.
NoobHero000 2 years ago
Enjoy that
AngryAussie 2 years ago
according to wikipedia, they are banning buying anything that is illeagel in australia, for example, forign consols and games that aint released in aus due to their adult nature, load of fucking bullshit, their should b a law against facisum in a democracy.
parky004 2 years ago
Fascism is all about laws.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Shame this will fall in deaf ears...
Azzaman9 2 years ago
So it seems
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Dateline NBC: Australia. That would solve the problem. ;-)
LetsGoBurnThings 2 years ago
Meaning?
AngryAussie 2 years ago
A family friendly ISP is a good idea. Give the restrictions to those who want them instead of forcing it upon those who don't. I also think that if kiddie porn is the problem, then the millions they could spend on this filter (Howard's plan would have been $30m, I can't find the cost of Rudd's) should go to the federal and state police to help fight the child porn trade (since it's already illegal in Australia under a separate law to the classification act).
paulisdead 2 years ago
Investigation is a far better use of the money.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
so right now its about awareness
PorcupinePower 2 years ago
i dont mean offense and i might be missing your point, but how are you, hell, the whole australian community, going to come about having this filter removed, because from what ive seen, the gov (labor party) seems pretty set on its ideals.
PorcupinePower 2 years ago
That's the point of getting the word out - to try to mobilise people.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
@PorcupinePower we are a democracy. We can pursued our local federal representitives that this idea is wrong, run for a position in parliment ourselves, protest, boycott, or vote against the incumbent government.
Alkem258 2 years ago
lol yeah i spose, im assuming if u make all the the filters an opt out, and you do, then you wont be affected by slow internet?
PorcupinePower 2 years ago
No, because the filtering has already been applied at the ISP level. And you CAN'T opt out.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
lol i had a great idea, once we get through the filter someone send some restricted material to the pms office lol, NO CLEAN FEED!
PorcupinePower 2 years ago
Yeah, that'll make them less likely to impose restrictions.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
lol.. no one thinks its gona happen everyone says 'its our choice' anyway whens the next election so he can fuck off
bloodzcape 2 years ago
The conservatives love the idea - they wouldn't change it
AngryAussie 2 years ago
i've heard about the internet filter 4 australia and i think it is going to completely fail in its attempt there are also rumours of other countrys taking this on if my government takes this shit wipe of a system on board they will never hear the end of it from me and countless others i say filer go fuck yourself as i have never need u as my software is all the net protection i need
thesphenator 2 years ago
Depends what you mean by "fail" - it will definitely fuck up the internet if it goes ahead.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
well allow me define it shortly after seeing your video a friend of mine in australia emailed me saying tht he recived a email from the government telling him his site was being entered into the list and was removed all his site was a page to rant about stuff like spam and crap like tht. thats 1 way of it failing the rest have been pointed out by yourself so those circumstances this filter plan is going to fail
thesphenator 2 years ago
maybe if someone breaks into stephens house and puts a bullet into his head the issue will be resolved
arhoptt 2 years ago 15
That's a helpful suggestion
AngryAussie 2 years ago
20 bullets, just to make sure
NoxicV 2 years ago
Best thing i've heard all day.
666Malevolence666 2 years ago
@arhoptt What about the attorney general in SA.. hes the only one with the "no" for an R18+ Rating and is cockblocking the rest of us Aussies. If he gets a bullet, or at least 20 that the comment below states.. there wont be no "no" for such a Rating, am i correct?
Pxm78 2 years ago
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Real454545 2 years ago 23
bwahahahaha
AngryAussie 2 years ago
this is stupid... and i thought censoring games was bad ... the r18 rating will never get in
utubeb14 2 years ago
Probably not
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Australia needs the Bill of rights like the US
TheGeekful 2 years ago
That wouldn't solve anything
AngryAussie 2 years ago
they pulled the stephenconroy website!! lol far out!
arcane1977 2 years ago
Doesn't surprise me
AngryAussie 2 years ago
get a load of this site! LOL!
stephenconroy . com . au
arcane1977 2 years ago
I bet that doesn't last long
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Any society that would give up liberty to gain security will deserve neither and lose both. - Benjamin Franklin,
Madzombie51 2 years ago
A fine saying
AngryAussie 2 years ago
I thought it might be an appropriate response to this government failure.There is so much wrong with this filter that it is simply not compatible with democracy or 21st century Australia. Not only that everything they set out to achieve is nullified by the fact that technology like TOR is widely available to circumvent this filter. All we are left with is an even further degraded internet infrastructure, costing millions of dollars, and a solidified reputation for being backwards / paranoid
Madzombie51 2 years ago
Excellent vid AA.
There is only one argument that supports the censorship that I have no answer for:
Parents cannot supervise their children 24/7.
Have you got an answer for that? Because if you do then I'll have a full hand in the censorship debate.
jimothy183 2 years ago
Well the government sure as hell can't supervise kids 24/7. It's a spurious argument.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Good answer.
jimothy183 2 years ago
I agree make a optional goverernment owned isp with and inbuit filter so if parents are worried about child pornography they can use that.
skyfrog696969 2 years ago
That's a good idea
AngryAussie 2 years ago
If this gets implemented I'm renouncing my Australian citizenship and leaving. Censoring our internet - and by extension our information - is un-Australian.
Fr0st1989 2 years ago 3
Good luck avoiding the same thing in the rest of the world
AngryAussie 2 years ago
@Fr0st1989: It's not only un-Australian, it's also non-humanitarian.
jimothy183 2 years ago
Has this happened, or did they decide to scrap their plan?
vickiormindyb 2 years ago
It hasn't happened yet
AngryAussie 2 years ago
This is very informative :) I'm surprised that Rudd's government is endorsing this, forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't it supposed to be centre-leftist?
I'd imagine an Aussie ACLU would be all over this by now?
politicalgoddess 2 years ago
Rudd is a control freak. He has been reported many times swearing at and pressuring the media for not receiving positive coverage.
The equivalent is the EFA, and yes they are.
BenVideoCompilations 2 years ago
How is someone like that getting away with attempting to represent centre-leftist principles of a liberal party? I suppose that is the nature of "politics", though.
politicalgoddess 2 years ago
cant blame rudd .... john started it
utubeb14 2 years ago
There are a few lobby groups including all the big ISPs opposed to it
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Well how would the government even begin to "filter" content discussed in chat rooms, IMs, e-mail, etc? That would require a massive "big brother" overhaul of the current system in which the government monitors every single message of every single user at any single given point.
Aside from being grossly impossible financially and resource-wise, such measures seem to go against any principle of civil rights!
Not that the US is exempt from such criticism. (*cough* Patriot Act *cough*)
politicalgoddess 2 years ago
It's actually trivially easy. ALL internet traffic goes through a very small number of pipes to get into and out of countries.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Yes but in doing so, like you mention in your video, the country (if democratically-inclined) runs the risk of filtering out non-offensive or legal sites, too. Would that mean that the government wants to ban all traffic coming from lets say, specific Yahoo or MSN servers?
How would it ban illegal discussion and material being sent through Google mail servers and the like?
politicalgoddess 2 years ago
Kind of my central point.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
You don't prevent bad freedom of speech by censorship, you have to counter that bad free speech with positive free speech.
Idude893 2 years ago
I agree completely
AngryAussie 2 years ago
There will like riots if this go ahead
PyrimidKingJindai 2 years ago
Not enough people give a shit
AngryAussie 2 years ago
if it actually happens it will, people will get off their asses once they're affected.
AussieScarface2 2 years ago
You over-estimate people
AngryAussie 2 years ago
yea your probably right =\
AussieScarface2 2 years ago
At the risk of sounding like I'm asking a dumb question: Do you work with computers?
Are you a Computer Programmer or Systems Analyst or do you do something else with computers?
You sound like you work with computers, but I've been wrong about people's professions before. I'm not a gr8 guesser.
vickiormindyb 2 years ago
I work in IT - I'm a business analyst
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Noh.. tell that to your beloved "Freedom of Speech" lookup how far that "right" goes ;)
stabuwithaspo0n 2 years ago
You're a deranged fucking moron
AngryAussie 2 years ago
The catholic church have loaded the gun, Conroy is pulling the trigger.
The catholic church are behind all of this, why do you thing Conroy meet the pope last year for!
MRMILO57 2 years ago
That doesn't sound at all paranoid or crazy
AngryAussie 2 years ago
lets hope we have a double dissolution and get rid of this asshole.
CombustionMan1 2 years ago 2
Not going to happen
AngryAussie 2 years ago
First they censor the internet, and before you know it your children will be born with micro chips telling them how to think, it will happend when people let this type of shit forced controllment go whitout taking action, is Australia a fucking commy state now? .. in America we have the Patriot Act (radio survelliance, the death of Freedom of Speech) .. dont sell your soul! .. fuck the gov!
stabuwithaspo0n 2 years ago
Well that doesn't sound at all paranoid and crazy.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
I ive in a country with isp filtering. its still fast and i tunnel to blocked sites with no problem.
figues of 80% slower is bs, i cant tell much diff from before they started filtering.
i dont agree with the censor, but its not like tv and newspaper arent censored to. :\
Kalhari 2 years ago
You have no idea what you're talking about
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Stephen Conroy is going to Band Second life. too. It's more then just a online game to some people is there jobs or business.
mmifsud07 2 years ago
Paranoia always helps
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Apparently Conroy has admitted that the ACMA made a mistake over at watch?v=Xz7Fb50RRDw
But the filter isn't 100% implemented yet - so when it is implemented and the ACMA makes another "mistake" then it will take a hell of a long time to get it rectified.
AgentCROCODILE 2 years ago
It's only being tested at the moment
AngryAussie 2 years ago
This thing is *still* being tested?! I was under the impression the ISPs had resigned from the trial.
I think I last heard about the "no slowdowns so far" results around ~1 month ago and thought the testing had finished.
AgentCROCODILE 2 years ago
lol Australia thiks its civilized
penguinsruel727 2 years ago
Fuck off you moron
AngryAussie 2 years ago
sorry my brother forgot to sign out of my acount
penguinsruel727 2 years ago
I reckon that DPI (which is what they plan on doing!) will slow the Internet down by 95-98% - Go figure!
Also I take into account the sheer size of the list that is intended.
AgentCROCODILE 2 years ago
Steven Fucking Conroy! We should put some gaffer tape on his mouth. Now that's what I call "censorship"
Apparently iiNet were going to trial the filter just to prove how stupid it it! Not sure whether or not they are doing this or not.
AgentCROCODILE 2 years ago
The "tests" are apparently happening now but all the sounds the govt have been making suggest they are backing away from it.
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Strangely I have not heard too much about the filter since around May this year. I have heard a few repeats of what has already been said here and there. It makes me wonder what Conroy is up to.
AgentCROCODILE 2 years ago
The same debate is part of my course at Griffith Uni under the subject Info Policy and Governance. We had to submit a report whether we are pro filtering or anti filtering. I chose the latter and gave valid evidence and proof to support it :)
There are so many other alternatives that you can choose from.
LovelyObsessions 2 years ago
Exactly, the biggest flaw is it won't work!
AngryAussie 2 years ago
Would I be completely off base by comparing Conroy to Bush? Cause what you said he's doing in 1:25 1:44 sounds a lot like what Bush was doing about the Iraq war.
That one also needed a failure criteria.
DemonWithAHumanHeart 2 years ago
He's just a minor hack in the government ministry
AngryAussie 2 years ago
i'm surprise we dont live in caves yet
loookatme123 2 years ago
Some people would prefer that
AngryAussie 2 years ago