@clouddancer38 You dont have to be a Christian to understand importance of giving and how a church can utilize it for the good. The problem is that God never said give the 10% of money but rather he spoke to farmers and ranchers to do that. Jesus and his disciples never tithe nor did they teach on it cause it was never Gods command and when Jesus mentioned anything on it, it was reffering to agriculture tithes and yes there was money back than gold and silver so dont say there wasnt any.
@clouddancer38 You dont have to be a Christian to understand importance of giving and how a church can utilize it for the good. The problem is that God never said give the 10% of money but rather he spoke to farmers and ranchers to do that. Jesus and his disciples never tithe nor did they teach on it cause it was never Gods command and when Jesus mentioned anything on it, it was reffering to agriculture tithes and yes there was money back than gold and silver so dont say there wasnt any.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
@DERBENJ You bring out some truth with this statement but being free from the law requires additional clarification. From the proper perspective the old testment which dealt with the sacrificing of animals for sin was replaced by the blood of Yahshua (Jesus) identifying the new testament. Please don't forget that sin is the breaking of the law I John 3:4 meaning we must not confuse the law of sacrifice and the law of obedience (the Most High's commandments). Peace!
Indeed Christ freed us from the law. This does not relate to tithing/giving offerings. Tithing and giving offerings is before the law which came through Moses. These practices were established way before Moses: Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, Cain and Able, Noah after the ark, and Abraham and Melchezidek, just to name a few examples. What Malachi directed toward the Israelites should be taken in context, as well as applied to our own lives based on the princliple it teaches.
@sislexi1 You should read "The impossible voyage of Noah's Ark" by Robert A. Moore which clearly describes why this tale is fictional. Also, were you saying that Christ freed you from the 'Old Testament' law?
I just wondering what would happen that people stop to tithe?!!!
It would be very interesting & revolucionary. What would all the preachers do when they would have no big churches. They would go on street, right?!! Where people are.
Interesting. When the church began it began on the street and got so big they had to manage it, put deacons in to manage the affairs including finances, widows and distribution.
If people stopped tithing they would have to give properly and Jesus makes it clear that giving (or anythign else) must surpass that of the OT. 10% is such a measly sum anyway. So who's game to put more than they have ever put into the offerring next week? No one I bet. Tithing is easier and cheaper.
No Miss Nothing! You are wrong! Brother Miles is a man of men! He is a warrior for Christ against the homosexuals! I prayed to Brother Miles to cure my painful rectal itch (and sometime homosexual desires) ... and whammo! No more itch! No more desires! No more itchy desires!
I know this pastor is loved by his home assembly, The Rock church in San Diego; but does he ever get around to any real expository preaching? I visited The Rock's website, and video after video was of him telling anecdotal stories.
Im just trying to get you to see that many things we have been saying in church for all these years have no scriptural basis... Please test all things... Dont just believe something just because your pastor says it... This disobedient spirit you speak of doesn't exists... Search the bible and see for yourself... We are drawn away by our own lust and desires... Does satan tempt us.. yes... and we make a choice to give in, dont put your sins off on some spirit, God holds us accountable...
2Corithians 2: 17 You see, we are not like the many hucksters who preach for personal profit. We preach the word of God with sincerity and with Christs authority, knowing that God is watching us.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
This is not tithing. Tithing is under the law of Moses. Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
your the one who is slow, whats the use of you mentioning hebrew 7 as a reference point; if that reference point proves my point' and refutes your point? I contend that abraham volonterily paid tithe to king Melchisedec. This event took place in Gen. 4:17-20 A tithing law was not even in effect then. so what are you trying to say??
Abaraham voluntarily paid tithe to the high priest, and abraham voluntarily made a vow with god to pay him tithe. It was not required of abraham to do either. How could the levites pay tithe while they were still in any ones lions????? the tithes were to be paid to the levites and not to anyone else. you have it all backwards.
No i havent read every thing in hebrews, but if you have any scripture, from any where in the bible that you think contradicts my statement you just replyed to; i will be more than happy to enlighten you. Again tithes were grains and animales paid to the livites for the services they performed in the temples. It was a requirement for the other tribes to pay the levites tithes.
So i guess its fair for me to deduce that since you fail to provide scripture to support your argument and to refute mine; means that you an do no but to resort to silly little insults. you just show that you are the fool not me. i have said nothing foolish. jesus said that you must repent and be baptized. is jesus a fool to in your opinion? was mark peter and paul also fools?
There should not be ONE penny put into any bank.I see the pope has billions in the bank,but still send nuns out to wallmart to collect more.Spend the money,feed the poor,wear the sackcloth and not the silk robes.What did a Levite own ? How mutch money had a Levite preist in his pocket ?
You are not accurate in your points on the old testament. Their was a very distinct reason that the levites did not tithe to not point out the reason why is to debase your argument. As for the Tithe not being money, when Abraham gave the tenth to Melchezedec he gave tithes of ALL the spoils he had just taken in from the battle he had. Also the jews were required to give specific tithes for specific situations and their was monetary equivalent for blemished unusable offerings and tithes. So...
I did point out the reason why the levites did not pay tiths; if you will carefully read my argument. they did not do so because they were the recievers of the tiths not the givers. in other words it was a requiremnet of the other tribes to pay tithes to the levites because they perforemd the services in the temple, and was not part of the inheritence. when abraham paid tithes to melchezedec he did so on his own free will, it was not even a requirement at that time.
You are correct!! We are no longer under the law of Moses but under the grace of The Lord Jesus! A tithe is a good example if you want to give an offering and don't know how much. Jesus nailed the ordinances to the tree, fulfilling all the law. One must leave believing in Christ and go back under the law, to which we are warned not to do, in order to give tithes to keep the commandments. Isn't it funny that Jesus said: You can't put new wine into old wineskins? It will be rejected. As proven.
The definition of tithing is the tenth part of agricultural produce or personal income set apart as an offering. If Abraham was the first tither, why is there no other scripture telling us of how he gave another portion to Melchizedek?
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@clouddancer38 You dont have to be a Christian to understand importance of giving and how a church can utilize it for the good. The problem is that God never said give the 10% of money but rather he spoke to farmers and ranchers to do that. Jesus and his disciples never tithe nor did they teach on it cause it was never Gods command and when Jesus mentioned anything on it, it was reffering to agriculture tithes and yes there was money back than gold and silver so dont say there wasnt any.
notleftbehind 4 months ago
@clouddancer38 You dont have to be a Christian to understand importance of giving and how a church can utilize it for the good. The problem is that God never said give the 10% of money but rather he spoke to farmers and ranchers to do that. Jesus and his disciples never tithe nor did they teach on it cause it was never Gods command and when Jesus mentioned anything on it, it was reffering to agriculture tithes and yes there was money back than gold and silver so dont say there wasnt any.
notleftbehind 4 months ago
Wow, a professional athlete, let's give him a microphone?
Pfsif 6 months ago
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"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
MagicTellaVision 7 months ago
@DERBENJ You bring out some truth with this statement but being free from the law requires additional clarification. From the proper perspective the old testment which dealt with the sacrificing of animals for sin was replaced by the blood of Yahshua (Jesus) identifying the new testament. Please don't forget that sin is the breaking of the law I John 3:4 meaning we must not confuse the law of sacrifice and the law of obedience (the Most High's commandments). Peace!
Thebibleconsultant 11 months ago
@DERBENJ true, but you ain't have to call anyone slow. lol
bigguy2128 1 year ago
Indeed Christ freed us from the law. This does not relate to tithing/giving offerings. Tithing and giving offerings is before the law which came through Moses. These practices were established way before Moses: Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, Cain and Able, Noah after the ark, and Abraham and Melchezidek, just to name a few examples. What Malachi directed toward the Israelites should be taken in context, as well as applied to our own lives based on the princliple it teaches.
sislexi1 1 year ago
@sislexi1 You should read "The impossible voyage of Noah's Ark" by Robert A. Moore which clearly describes why this tale is fictional. Also, were you saying that Christ freed you from the 'Old Testament' law?
CynicalSkeptic1 11 months ago
I just wondering what would happen that people stop to tithe?!!!
It would be very interesting & revolucionary. What would all the preachers do when they would have no big churches. They would go on street, right?!! Where people are.
ivanasimic1 1 year ago
@ivanasimic1
Interesting. When the church began it began on the street and got so big they had to manage it, put deacons in to manage the affairs including finances, widows and distribution.
If people stopped tithing they would have to give properly and Jesus makes it clear that giving (or anythign else) must surpass that of the OT. 10% is such a measly sum anyway. So who's game to put more than they have ever put into the offerring next week? No one I bet. Tithing is easier and cheaper.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@graceplusnothing
No Miss Nothing! You are wrong! Brother Miles is a man of men! He is a warrior for Christ against the homosexuals! I prayed to Brother Miles to cure my painful rectal itch (and sometime homosexual desires) ... and whammo! No more itch! No more desires! No more itchy desires!
Thank you Brother Miles! Praise Jesus!
librarianeric 1 year ago
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The gospel of Jesus is not a commodity to be bought or sold, neither should any clergy eat meat by it; nor should any clergy be in control of you.
mego4321 1 year ago
no..not to a building..i am the church..i tithe to myself.
onegreeneye 2 years ago
I know this pastor is loved by his home assembly, The Rock church in San Diego; but does he ever get around to any real expository preaching? I visited The Rock's website, and video after video was of him telling anecdotal stories.
WisconsinChick920 2 years ago
search Bertie Brits on google and hear the truth about tithing
berabrhenber 2 years ago
Im just trying to get you to see that many things we have been saying in church for all these years have no scriptural basis... Please test all things... Dont just believe something just because your pastor says it... This disobedient spirit you speak of doesn't exists... Search the bible and see for yourself... We are drawn away by our own lust and desires... Does satan tempt us.. yes... and we make a choice to give in, dont put your sins off on some spirit, God holds us accountable...
J34Contenders 2 years ago
2Corithians 2: 17 You see, we are not like the many hucksters who preach for personal profit. We preach the word of God with sincerity and with Christs authority, knowing that God is watching us.
SwordofManticorE 2 years ago
test
SwordofManticorE 2 years ago
Read Hebrews 7:18. It is the answer to tithing.
SwordofManticorE 2 years ago
Do you still live under the law?
J34Contenders 2 years ago
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
This is not tithing. Tithing is under the law of Moses. Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
(KJV)
studyjesus 2 years ago
The tithe is about LOVE.....
stopplayingchurch 2 years ago
your the one who is slow, whats the use of you mentioning hebrew 7 as a reference point; if that reference point proves my point' and refutes your point? I contend that abraham volonterily paid tithe to king Melchisedec. This event took place in Gen. 4:17-20 A tithing law was not even in effect then. so what are you trying to say??
rjohson 3 years ago
Abaraham voluntarily paid tithe to the high priest, and abraham voluntarily made a vow with god to pay him tithe. It was not required of abraham to do either. How could the levites pay tithe while they were still in any ones lions????? the tithes were to be paid to the levites and not to anyone else. you have it all backwards.
rjohson 3 years ago
have you ever read hebrews
stopplayingchurch 3 years ago
No i havent read every thing in hebrews, but if you have any scripture, from any where in the bible that you think contradicts my statement you just replyed to; i will be more than happy to enlighten you. Again tithes were grains and animales paid to the livites for the services they performed in the temples. It was a requirement for the other tribes to pay the levites tithes.
rjohson 3 years ago
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Elighten that!
stopplayingchurch 3 years ago
So i guess its fair for me to deduce that since you fail to provide scripture to support your argument and to refute mine; means that you an do no but to resort to silly little insults. you just show that you are the fool not me. i have said nothing foolish. jesus said that you must repent and be baptized. is jesus a fool to in your opinion? was mark peter and paul also fools?
rjohson 3 years ago
There should not be ONE penny put into any bank.I see the pope has billions in the bank,but still send nuns out to wallmart to collect more.Spend the money,feed the poor,wear the sackcloth and not the silk robes.What did a Levite own ? How mutch money had a Levite preist in his pocket ?
God Bless.
harryguitarjackson 3 years ago
You are not accurate in your points on the old testament. Their was a very distinct reason that the levites did not tithe to not point out the reason why is to debase your argument. As for the Tithe not being money, when Abraham gave the tenth to Melchezedec he gave tithes of ALL the spoils he had just taken in from the battle he had. Also the jews were required to give specific tithes for specific situations and their was monetary equivalent for blemished unusable offerings and tithes. So...
dmclives 3 years ago
I did point out the reason why the levites did not pay tiths; if you will carefully read my argument. they did not do so because they were the recievers of the tiths not the givers. in other words it was a requiremnet of the other tribes to pay tithes to the levites because they perforemd the services in the temple, and was not part of the inheritence. when abraham paid tithes to melchezedec he did so on his own free will, it was not even a requirement at that time.
rjohson 3 years ago
You are correct!! We are no longer under the law of Moses but under the grace of The Lord Jesus! A tithe is a good example if you want to give an offering and don't know how much. Jesus nailed the ordinances to the tree, fulfilling all the law. One must leave believing in Christ and go back under the law, to which we are warned not to do, in order to give tithes to keep the commandments. Isn't it funny that Jesus said: You can't put new wine into old wineskins? It will be rejected. As proven.
SyncKnot 3 years ago
The definition of tithing is the tenth part of agricultural produce or personal income set apart as an offering. If Abraham was the first tither, why is there no other scripture telling us of how he gave another portion to Melchizedek?
loseuwill 2 years ago 2