division in the community - Jon Lebed, george4title, visionvictory, BackBurnerNews

[Itsjames1]

Yea I used to watch g4t until I realized he was homless one day then Journeying the world on a magic carpet. So then I clicked on G4T scam and......BINGO! So I asked him as a question And he blocked me from his channel.

[JP5466]

Drutter, I'd like to hear your comments about MOT... another big YT scammer.

[drutter]

@JP5466

I don't know MOT and have never subscribed or watched him, other than a couple times to see that I wasn't interested.

[medhue]

They're all scammers. Some scammers are just nicer than others. They are grown intelligent men and know exactly what they are doing.

[realrasher]

Great video! I'm now a subscriber.

I had almost stopped viewing completely here on youtube for the very same reasons you mention... Too much crap that really does matter is going on. I started listening to podcasts more instead. By the way check out the No Agenda show podcast. They talk about similar topics in a light hearted manner.

I've had a nice vacation from youtube but there are just too many truths to learn about. It's good to see things calming.

BBN - you're vids are missed.

[drutter]

@realrasher

Agreed, and thanks for subscribing :)

[ShillBasher]

I just watched this one again as this thing still plays on my mind a little. Anyway, just wanted to say that your opinions are 'spot on' and would stand upto any scrutiny. You stayed pretty unbiased and just gave an honest and balanced opinion.

Good on you for making this and for keeping it up. You're a 'real' person.

[seamstobe]

Nicely put drutter!

[nbrown1378]

Activist communities aways start to in fight when they are unable to mobilize the public, and when they won't, or can't take on the real adversary.

[drutter]

@nbrown1378

Interesting, I didn't know that.

Which activist communities have done so?

[nbrown1378]

@drutter I've seen it in anti-war, humanist, and feminist activist communities. It's as if the inabiity or unwillingness to confront the real adversary, or to be effective in mobiizing the public creates frustration, and sometimes aggression, which is uneashed within the group or community. It's safer to attack your own community than the death dealing adversary who will seriousy hurt you.

[drutter]

@nbrown1378

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Okay, thanks. I don't really understand, and I haven't seen that myself, but I'll take your word on it. The phenomenon doesn't sound like a positive one. Hopefully my videos and other actions in the community speak for themselves. This is the first video I've done on "community issues", and as I said in the video, the last. Thank you for your insights!

[nbrown1378]

@drutter iIn fighting may be a way of deceiving oneself that you really are fighting the good fight, when u know in your heart your not lol A real fight, with the real enemy is dangerous, so you keep it all in the family where it's safer ;)

[drutter]

@nbrown1378

Alright then, let's all get out there and attack JPMorgan directly! But how? I know, we'll expose their fraud by putting out a video about the whistle-blower Andrew Maguire! Brilliant! ;)

I agree that infighting can be useless. But not always. What if there's a legitimate issue that needs addressing? Surely a community of several hundred thousand people (or millions) can occasionally have a legitimate problem. Just because we're on the same "team" doesn't mean none of us have probs.

[nbrown1378]

@drutter A few years ago I asked some anti-war orgs to boycott JP Morgan when I learned that it was assigned the leadership in the banking consortium to pillage Iraq; but no one wanted to be the first in making that move...so now we have them pillaging the markets. Yes of course there will always be issues, but should we address them by actions like fase flagging ? Aso consider what will happen when we eventually encounter intelligence operatives infiltrating YT..yikes

[nbrown1378]

@drutter A few years ago I suggested to some anti-war orgs to boycott JP Morgan, when I learned that they were assigned the leadership in the banking consortium to pillage Iraq, but no one wanted to be the first to act, and didn't see the relevance; so now JP is pillaging the markets.

[ACloserLook]

North Van guy hits the nail on the head! Great video. Covers the drama in a fair and honest way. We need more sound peeps in the community like this, and less drama queens. Bravo! Infiltration of the community can not be tolerated, for if it is, we will lose everything. Down with deceit. Let truth prevail.

[biologicalobserver]

hay man, just do what you do! like the ladys want. believe in you, trust yourself, dont worry bout the haters. they want you to fail. if you suck then you fail, get it. or learn from it and dont put much emotion into your choices. I say Kick Ass like allways! drutter.

[testar2]

I criticised Daniel in his Visionvictory channel for making advertisement for those crooks, and Daniel unsubscribed me... Although Daniel unsubscribed me (Visionvictory) I do NOT regret that I criticised him for advertising for that "stock manupulation company". Sometimes you have to say things, even if it backfires.

[testar2]

Thank you for the information! It's very importent that info like this is coming out in the air. I must say I was very surprised that Visionvictory was "involved" in this. Thanks again.

[BobBrinkerisanIdiot]

what did you think about the stellaconcepts video? As far as I know he was the first person to do any actual research. The rest are just screaming fire from the top of a building.

[drutter]

@BobBrinkerisanIdiot

I was glad he took it upon himself to do that video, because the analysis was over my head, not being an investor. It's basically his forte, and I trust him, so I consider it a valid part of the equation. One thing seems clear - Lebed is an excellent stock picker, no matter how you look at it.

[Futarius2050]

G4T now receives messages from beyond the grave! Check his George4vlogging channel. Unbelievable

[drutter]

@Futarius2050

Frozen in time and emotion. ;)

[Futarius2050]

agreed. G4T and his "friends" offer very little in terms of real news. They are a self-absorbed soap opera crew. Occasionally they scream for congress to be impeached or film a burning dumpster but that is about it

[BeenInACaveWayToLong]

I'm wirh you Drutter... regarding all of your comments. I unsubscribed from G4T months ago when he started looking like a scam. I'm very disappointed in VV for his alignment with the Inflation channel. He must believe the money is more important than the impact to his reputation. I would guess the community that will follow the scams is calculated to be larger than the truth community.

[sinsarcasmo]

George 4 Title and good Christian Vision Victory ARE SCAMMERS.

Unsubscribe from these channels.

[bruno188home]

thanks for help expose the frauds, say like you see it. have you got a link to the interview after Maguire hospital stay please, your right they are the important stories.

[drutter]

@bruno188home

Hey bruno, my latest video is what you're looking for. :)

[Tribefull]

I stay subscribed to G4T just for the lulz. But I agree with you that he gives the "truth" community a bad name. It also bothers me that VisionVictory is on board with Lebed and George. I've always thought he was far above that shit. I could never unsubscribe from Daniel's channel but I one-star every video he mentions Lebed's newsletter in.

[TheRidgerunner45]

burningman, i agree with you, something interesting, do you think the govts. around the world would actually let the story break out on the silver manipulation. personally i dont think there is a chance in hell. this would flip the world upside down, currencies would tank and mass chaos would ensue. its too bad that the keep this shit from mainstream media. also i live in idaho and our senator is trying to get a bill passed allowing us to pay taxes in silver, have you heard of this.

[drutter]

@TheRidgerunner45

Some stories spread no matter what, if they're important enough :)

Yeah I've heard of the taxes in silver concept, it seems very appropriate.

[insertthissideup]

I've unsubscribed to all of them, it's not right !

Thanks for the video ..

[wewishujoy]

thanks, i subscribe to all of the yt'rs you mention here, new to lebed's baggage though, i agree w/ most of what you say, i confess i do enjoy watching g4t hustle out there, but a healthy toward him remains, i was dissapointed in vv joining nia, i valued his independence, hope his keen perspective isn't compromised by his association w/ them, despite my reservations i will remain a subscriber to all of them, do you recommend other sites to provide other perspectives than theirs? aside form you..

[drutter]

@wewishujoy

Thanks for your comments. I guess you could say I recommend my subscribed-to channels. Although some of them are regional choices.

[bohemianh]

George is a sell out, I'm not in that comunity, I don't try to get my friends to buy penny stocks which most people get ripped off on. Pump and Dump baby. Just two cents, how many shares can I get for them???? :0) My grandpa told me long ago see a guy with a Tribe member walk the other way.

[ShillBasher]

I'm only a couple of minutes in and already I'm in total agreement with you.

You tell it like it is and you tell it from the heart and for that I thank you and respect you.

I've been an asshole towards you a month or so back I know, I can only hope that you're able to forgive me for that some day.

I'm sick of these fake truthers, who're only chasing the $'s.

You're a real person, "I see you". Yourself/ truthcracker/ gypsyhustled etc' ARE the real truth community.

[drutter]

@ShillBasher

I'm not interested in grudges, so I'm glad to hear from you again :)

[cheeple]

What were the religious things you guys disagree on? you and vision victory

[drutter]

@cheeple

Pretty much everything. :p

[cheeple]

Check out the new vid on inflation by stellaconcepts

just posted yesterday

[Mastinox803]

AWESOME VIDEO! You are spot on. You may lose some g4t crazies, but you earned my sub. I wish you would of also talked about ManofTruth or whatever his name is.

[drutter]

@Mastinox803

I've always avoided MOT, as he comes off much like G4T to me, always wheeling and dealing, smarmy, and low on actual facts. Just my opinion. Thanks for the comment and sub :)

[SKUNKBALLScom]

good vid! NIA is full of S___t , Check out my vids on the guy.

[veritasfiles]

Apart from your use of the word "immoral", which is odd given our past discussions, I LOVED THE VIDEO!!! Great job! Thanks for havin' the B***S to call it like you see it. Though we don't agree, I really appreciate your honestly and obvious intelligence. Keep it up!

[drutter]

@veritasfiles

True, "immoral" is also completely subjective. I didn't script this, or even edit it except to remove errors and pauses to think, so it's pretty off the hip. Thanks for your comments :)

[SilverBar9999]

JP Morgan Chase has destroyed the Western World out of greed, and now JP Morgan Chase must be destroyed and broken into numerous smaller regional banks.

[charles98888]

the vid rings true ..I kinda thoughta few of these guys kinda hit lucky then ran out of material and after saying the same thing over and over in different ways.Shills.. well..if they arent obvious to people then they have bigger problems.The whistle blower thing was and is hugely important.

[charlesfuchs]

@ Drutter - Best intro ever and you know what, F U all JK JK HAHA... I hear where your coming from. I just take the information from everyone and ask questions and dig deeper in the rabbit hole... I know there are a lot of idiots who would just listen to people without any hesitation and ya know what, its there fault! Love your Vids bro.

[mbdowney1]

tell it like you see it drutter.

my take on your featured 4:

Lebed: did the crime did the time but I do not trust anything out of him.

George: GFY

visionvictory: really has his shit together, guess he has sold out a little, but hey, gotta get paid. still love his stuff.

BackBurner: don't know, not a subscriber, but I will check him out now.

[stealthcupcake]

I signed up for the lebed newsletter and when I saw the first "suggested buy" I just unsubscribed. It's clearly a shady deal and investors should DO RESEARCH before buying stock as Silverfuturist said. As for the other guys: george4title = don't hate him, but I get the impression he is a little full of Sh*t. Love Backburnernews! Visionvictory= he seems ok to me.

[CTOL1]

Your comments pretty much echo my feelings on this issue(s)

I know I haven't long subed to your channel, mostly I have read your posts and exchanges with charlie (crabby) It is difficult to come to grips with why anyone would knowingly support this newsletter. This community is basically free to use. That being said, there are people that actually do physical labor to generate income off of YT, and hawk their wares via their channel, my hat is off to them.

"if your not part of the solution"

[skybirdbird]

tkx for the link.....well said dr utter

george....entertainment value only....he makes me laugh (not intentionally)....and yes he is smarmy.....

visionv.....just don't really care for him anymore....no useful info lately for me.....

greg...no probs...like his info and format.....

totally agree....we have more important things..........:-)

[davincij15]

Your statements are not proof that he is doing that. But trading stocks for a living does not add to the world productivity.

Jon = bad guy (with some good)

George = bad guy (with some good)

Danial = good guy (with some bad)

Greg = good guy (with some bad)

This is my opinion and individuals need to act accordingly to their own beliefs.

[rapaddictsupreme]

People will find out the truth anyway.....bashing tactics isn't solving anything. Don't fight fire with fire. You should be the BIGGER person and lead by example and show other people watching you that issues can be resolved without these tactics.

[rapaddictsupreme]

You're basically contradicting yourself drutter.....you said in your video you don't think we should be "Arguing & Fighting" or be divided but all you're doing in this video is calling people names and cussing....whether you agree or not, you don't realize you're just adding fuel to the fire! You can't change peoples views on something, just LET IT BE and concentrate on the more IMPORTANT issues like you said with "JP Morgan"....practice what you preach bro!

[paranormalg35]

drutter i agree with your comments.. some people are tools and will always be tools.. Makes me wonder exactly how much they get payed to be sponsored though. it must be substantial for them to even consider it.

[thecursedland]

I hate the way they have this comment thing set up. I can't tell if my comments have posted, and can't tell how many characters I've used cause I'm not paying abs attention to how many I can use.

[thecursedland]

Man, you make videos concerning Mguire and I'll mirror and send to my contacts. I think that is a great position to take on JP croakin. I remember having an account with them, and they started, inch by inch, siphoning my money. So I moved into a credit union (of all things credit should be a damndable name but still).

Yeah, I'll support it. Get the word out. We can make it viral with the right connections.

[thecursedland]

pump and dump kinda sounds sexual. Haha.

[SolitonPL]

Truth Movement UPRISING!

Visionvictory totally blew it! 16K subscribers and he is hanging with a Pump & Dumpers. This is a joke!

[yonny1954]

AMEN!!!! V V has fallen of my screen because of his recent changes sad he was once a key source for me now who knows? GFT has always been bs,,,,,,,,There is an old saying" one time shame on you, two times shame on me, three times a fool!"

I do not always see things your way Drutter but I always believe you believe, without that what is the point.

Love the honesty jl

Maine

[Zwikster]

I remember when George was asking for donations because he was living in a tent and his car, and then the time when the stray dog had vet bills....and then in a recent video he is talking about how he makes $10,000 a month. What a total tool. Then there is Mr. Man Of Truth and his Botanical Botox bullshit and donations for his legal fees....jeepers...I can go on and on also. Good video Drutter!!

[odin422]

@Zwikster live goes on, he has worked hard to change his life............WHAT ABOUT YOU???

Tend you own garden you judging prick

[Zwikster]

@odin422 can you send me $50? I need to change my life too. I live in a tent....or I mean I live in my car. yeah, thats it.

[odin422]

@Zwikster YouTube is free.........so fuck off, change the channel

[donniebrasco24]

@drutter hey bro, i ws thinking of starting to broadcast my own channel and am in the same situation as you in regards to keeping my identity unknown. I have this sweet mexican wrestler mask from my younger days, do you think it would fly here on youtube? if i wore it for my videos i mean???

[ytgv3fc7]

@donniebrasco24 I can promise you right now as a programmer that if it doesn't have a 3-D profile that's unlike your own face then eventually facial recognition will get you out. The day was people would say voice recognition wouldn't be in yet now youtube does closed-captioning automatically. Make your choice WISELY.

[donniebrasco24]

@ytgv3fc7 thanks for the ifo dude

[drutter]

@donniebrasco24

Dunno man, it's up to everyone to make that decision. I figure I can always show more of myself later, if I want to, but you can't un-show yourself. Options open :)

[donniebrasco24]

@donniebrasco24 george4title is a turd... what a con artist...

[DaleElder11]

WOW your best video yet.

[rflosi]

Make criticism constructive.

[REOGURU]

I stumbled across this video by accident, and I agree with you completely. I was disturbed when V V joined the Lebed bandwagon. I never followed G4T, nor MOT, I always found them sort of weird and odd. I still enjoy BB though. I also agree there's way too much fire and brimstone about Lebed and his friends, old and new. I'm over it, so I'm not buying anything from them...move on everyone, nothing to see here.

[stellaconcepts]

5 *

[TruthCracker]

I have talked about that and promoted it and will be hammering that story. I will be talking about that (JPMorgan).

OK back to the big boy bashing.

[TruthCracker]

Good point re community. I do vids to purge 2. He is also paid to sprook as well, one time 40K. Its robbery. Yes Good scammer. G4T is a scammer. Followers are many fake accounts also.

VV = Sold Out! Funnelling to scammers is wrong. He's getting kickbacks! Yes, "otherwise" ok.

BBN = Greg, good guy impossible choice to support. He IS recommending the link! What about new subscribers who lose their money? Yes this is my only beef. JPMorgan is HUGE story correct.

[SystemEvolve]

on target. good job. I almost unsubscribed to VV... but he does have good info. I disagree with promoting penny stocks. especially since that in itself contradicts his message of "freedom and independence"

oh, and doesn't he know he's being paid off the backs people who lose money on the stock?

[argentcipher]

Awesome drutter. I think I feel about the same.

[0muffins0]

@drutter - You pretty much summed up my own opinions on the people and subjects mentioned. Thankyou.

[SidMunchausen123]

Well said

[DigitalSkyline]

I enjoy VisionVictory as well I assume he found a way to make some money with those guys I guess, G4T is a well known drama queen but I still watch it's entertaining if not informative at least and the others I don't see post too often so ??? Kinda like Alex Jones I mean maybe he just fell too far down the rabbit hole :) for me I just favorite videos I agree with and separate the chaff from the wheat... and just starting making videos myself ... anyways just my pov.

[whiskerchild]

The A. MacGuire thing was incredible

[Michigansnowpony]

Drutter!  Exactly my feelings, minus the swear words. : )

[hamletundone]

the problem drutter is that almost everyone has a price...there are tons of people who will rail against the empire until the empire offers them a few crumbs...but i have faith in you...you tend your own garden (literally too) and i have learned the hard way that tending my own garden is my best chance at living "the truth".

[ytgv3fc7]

@hamletundone perhaps but if Andrew Maquire has the balls to keep doing an interview with whoever will listen, including Eric King, after an assassination attempt, I say he's showing us 2 things #1 where is the corruption and #2 how to show you have the balls to stick it to the man even after the man tried to off you. It's an example to show what it does really take to set things right. We all have a lot to learn.

[mcgrawtim123]

yeah, the Andrew McGuire case is real news. The manipulation of the metal markets by JP Morgan will be big news eventually.

I kinda miss George's old goofy videos (BL...before Ledved). Vision Victory is too intense and godly. I like Back Burner. Said good-bye to Demcad. It's a new world now (as usual). I'm more interested in the people behind the channel than what their channel posts day to day. Maybe it's become a popularity contest like "Dancing with the Stars" here on YT..I don't know.

[GypsyHustled]

I think we should explore both scams in the economy and on Youtube. I won't stop until I get some honest answers regarding this operation. I want someone involved to explain to me how its not a scam. They won't stop until they have every major player in this community pushing those sites. I'm not happy to sit back as long as they are sucking everyone into their scams.

[whobrown]

Thanks

[GoldSilverMedia]

I agree with with you, there are more important things we should be focusing our energy on such as the events that has transpired this week. I just can't believe how the main stream media has completely ignored this. The truth needs to be delivered to the masses.

[ytgv3fc7]

@GoldSilverMedia collect every link related to it, especially the kingworldnews mp3 and the CFTC 'silvergate' URL on youtube and find out which online versions of newspapers let you comment randomly, anonymously. Then spread the word virally for all the world to see. That's what I'm doing and doing it a lot. The world must know the truth. This means more than 100x value on gold or silver physical. This means money itself everywhere in the world may be toilet paper RIGHT NOW, or close to it

[watcher0777]

drutter your a pretty smart guy and appreciate that and your view. the last vid george did was very good, on capital control, major issue and he covered it. he is a reporter utu style. what you say is your opinion of which we all have the perogative of having and exercising. thank you for your take on things, it is worth the time and hey you are a stellar guy and the standard is great.

[drutter]

@watcher0777

Thank you for commenting. I agree with you that some of george's content is useful. I do think that most of it could be found elsewhere, though. But I guess that could be said about my channel as well. Basically how I feel is that there are SO many channels out there. Why people support the ones that sometimes scam and lie, I'll never know. Sure, he doesn't ALWAYS scam and lie. But he does quite regularly, and that's enough reason for me to stay the hell away. :)

[SystemEvolve]

@drutter

the only usefullness is that of comedy relief. that's why i watch...

remember the swine flu in mexico.... classic. hahahaHAHAHA go GEORGE... go get em buddy... HAHHAHA

[odin422]

@drutter Sure, he doesn't ALWAYS scam and lie. But he does quite regularly...................WT­F!?!?! dude your a schmuck just talk about silver boy.

[KnowledgeDriven]

@drutter

hey man, u should appreciate davinci's comment below! i thumbs-up'ed it! i'd say more, but guildf40, whiskerchild, watcher0777, davincij15 beat me to it so i've just been laying a bunch of thumbs-up! thx!

[CoinsFreedom]

Good job....I see it as you called it.

[Lexi8888]

D, couldn't have said it better myself. I include MOT in the BS. I was disturbed when both VV & BB joined Lebed. I abhore a con when I see or feel it. Will take a wait and see approach with the later. 5*****

[fatpius]

pretty much how i see things.

[ahzie99]

Yes for truth community online!

[libertymom100]

Luckily most of us in this community are skeptical and well informed so we are able to filter the good from the bad and we do our own research. And yes the division is pure nonsense. Do we really expect to agree with each other on every point 100% of the time.

Excellent post.

[GuildF40]

well said matey

[TruthCracker]

@GuildF40 Was well said.