You have issues, both personal and with grammar. Try using 'you're' when you mean to say 'you are' and not 'your'. And then try taking a few deep breaths before you rant away like a jibbering idiot in case you continue to expose yourself for the complete whackjob you so obviously are.
There MAY be aliens somewhere in space. If u decide u believe this right now...when we have no proof...will it b MY job to DISprove aliens if I disagree?
It's not the job of he who rejects a claim to prove it's true....ESPECIALLY if the rejected claim has never/nor could ever BE proven! If u believe and wish 2 propagate something as truth, then the burden of proof is, truly, on u!
Theists make a claim that atheists reject. Without the claim, there would b no atheism. 2say that atheists have 2 proove their position when their position is mere RESPONSE 2 ur belief is illogical. If I tell u I believe in unicorns and u say u don't, should I, then, demand that u proove that unicorns don't exist?
It's not that atheist don't have to prove anything, atheist can't prove anything in regards to the non-existence of God. The atheistic position is based on simple abstract possibility. So to make the claim there is no God is completely illogical. Your begging the question here.
Atheists prove their position by stating that there is no evidence or not enough evidence to support the validity of god. Their position is a refute to a claim and it simply rejects the claim for lack of evidence. It does NOT have to disprove the claim to do this LOGICALLY. It is simply a position that requires proof before faith.
That still does not disprove the existence of God. There is nothing logical about atheism whatsoever. There is a lot of proof that God exist. Not just the Bible. There are a lot of other proofs.
I agree that it can be said...atheists BELIEVE that god does NOT exist. So, 1 could say...they have no proof of this belief. HOWEVER, this is unreasonable and nonsensical. This would mean that anything considered not believable MUST b proven 2 NOT exist before we can DISbelieve it simply becuz the atheistic position is 1 of proof requirement.
The equivalent of this is atheists telling YOU that u must believe in ALL the gods and fairytales since UR position is simply about blindfaith. U have reasons 2 pick what u believe just as atheists have reasons 2 require proof. The bottom line is u can't say u belive in something that's UNproovable and expect those who disagree 2 PROVE or DISprove your Unprovable claim. If u want 2 tout a claim as truth, it's only fair that YOU provide proof.
Some PMs from miket1m to me for you all to laugh at -
"Your the one who says the Bible is full of contradictions. Show me you limy prick."
"Your a fucking idiot thats what you are. Your also a self centered bastard. An egotistical maniac with a low self esteem. Go fuck yourself in the face asswipe. And get a fucking haircut you look like a fucking smacked ass."
"Fucking retard"
"Take all the time you want you limy bastard. I'll be here waiting on your fat ass."
"You miss the whole point asshole. People who claim to be atheist. Thats what I'm talking about. You can't claim to be an atheist and an agnostic at the same time. Its ridiculous. Atheist do not believe, agnostic don't know. Fuck off moron."
"Yeah, that so cool. Give me a break. Have you looked in the mirror lately? Aren't you a white guy asshole? I never said I was a good Christian, I just hate stupidity. Say there is no God. You don't have a clue moron."
"Listen pea brain to this definition. Impaired judgment by definition, does not know it is impaired. Your judgment is definitely impaired and you definitely don't know it."
"Never said I was a good Christian asshole. You make Satan proud!"
He then sends me an enormous list of questions and tells me to take my time answering them. It took about an hour and what's his this response to the courtesy I extended to him? Complete and utter silence.
War. What the hell war are you talking about crazy person? A universal negative is what atheist posit which requires absolute knowledge of the entire universe.
"I am extremely offended by that asswipe video "Fuck You" you made. Take it off or I will declare war on you I promise! That is so disrespectful it make me want to throw up."
Dated Aug 23 2008. Your words Mike. And atheism requires what??? lol! Absolute knowledge of the universe? Holy fuck.
With your logic, it is no wonder you were duped by the bible.
ok I remember. So, I was in a bad mood that day. I didn't think you would take that seriously. Grow up for Gods sake. Lets put all this behind us and talk logic here. We could have a good debate if you would start thinking rationally.
"To say there is no evidence for God necessitates that you would have to have seen all the evidence in the entire world. Since you haven't, you can't say there is no evidence, because there could be and hasn't been presented yet. So you hold your position by faith.
Now I know you don't like to claim faith as as the basis to adhering to your position so you go on the attack in order to give intellectual credence to your position."
I do not say there is no evidence for a God, I tell atheists off for saying that and argue with them that bibles and testimonies ARE evidence of a God, just poor evidence. Bad logic is still logic. You claimed I deny atheism is a faith, when I clearly say atheism is a faith in my videos and comments and is the #1 thing my channel is known for.
Now you are saying atheism requires absolute knowledge of the universe, which is not only silly, but contradicts that atheism is a belief.
No, I am saying in order to say there is no God you would have to know all things in the universe, and we know no one knows all things in the universe. This is why we think "strong" atheism is illogical. I did some research and apparently you are what is called a weak atheist. I'm sorry I call that an agnostic. If you don't consider yourself an agnostic, then I would appreciate it if you would tell me your definition of an agnostic.
Keep your stories straight Mike. Is atheism a faith or is it knowledge of the entire universe? And do not steal the works of others while claiming to be a christian. I was warned by someone you had banned that you plagerized material, and I caught you doing it myself. And do not lie and claim to be a christian. Denying your "war", denying calling me a fat slob, is lying Mike. This is proof you don't believe in christianity at all. Your hypocricy leaves no doubt in my mind, you deny christianity.
Think!!! What I said was in order to say there is no God you would have to have complete knowledge of the entire universe. No one has that, so how can someone say there is no God? It take just as much faith, if not more for someone to believe there is no God. I'm not at war with you. You need to stop that idiotic rhetoric.
I do not plagiarize! If I use any material from a website, than you better believe I have authorization to use that material. Do not go there with the plagiarizing if you don't know what the hell your talking about. How do you know I didn't write it myself anyway? You don't. So forget it. We're talking about atheism here.
@miket1m hey mikey you might remember me from when i destroyed you several times. your copy and paste arguments never really stood a chance did they? maybe if u weren't so mad about having to pay back taxes on something u got busted for u wouldn't be so angry. but then u never had a real argument to start with. so enjoy being beaten to easily again an again
God's character never changes. He changes His mind. I know what atheism is and it is illogical. All talk dude, show me the proof that my God doesn't exist! What the hell is wrong with you anyway? Sober up and get back to me.
This is God apparently talking in his own words Mike. Then God changes, changes again and changes once more. This is proof the biblical God cannot exist. I do not drink, so I have no reason to sober up and no dude, you have no clue as to what atheism is and contradict yourself on it. Keep your story straight.
"God was before all things and there was a "time" when God was all that existed." For someone who claims that atheists must have ALL evidence in the universe in order to deny god...this is a bold statement!
Theism has evidence to support the existence of God and theism is a universal positive, where atheism is a universal negative, which is impossible to prove. How does one say there is no God? That is an illogical statement and totally indefensible as it requires omniscience.
"Theism has evidence to support the existence of God" Really? DO tell! It requires omniscience 2 know that god DOES exist as well then...with ur logic. But please, if u and/or the theist HAVE evidence as u say...do tell!!!
How is atheism a "universal negative"??? It is a defintion which describes a position of DISbelief of god but is not a "universal negative" nor is it a negative position. It's only negative in that it states...I do NOT believe....so what! So atheism requires omniscience but not theism...can u explain this?
The burden of proof lies on the atheist to prove there is no God since atheist only believe in what they can see. They would have to go everywhere in the universe, throughout time and see for themselves that God doesn't exist. Until atheist can do this, their assertion that there is no God is merely an expression based on faith just like a religious belief.
Atheists only believe what they see, right! So BECUZ THEY DO NOT SEE GOD...they don't believe in god. This is not a problem 4 them. If you want atheists to believe in god, u would have 2 show them god becuz, as u stated, they believe only what they see (actually they believe what is testable). I agree with u that atheism is a belief but it is not based on faith...it's based on logic and reason.
No contradiction. There is nothing negative about atheism except that it is a position that LACKS or does NOT have a belief in god. This doesn't make it negative in the sense that it is less or bad...at least, not in the sense that the word negative is, often times, used. U still haven't explained what u meant by saying that atheism is a "universal negative"
oh, sry I didn't c this! However, this isn't really an answer. Neither theism nor atheism require omniscience as they r positions based on belief or disbelief of the what religion calls god. To say that atheists need to be omniscient is absurd??? Neither atheism nor theism can ever be omniscient, so neither side should expect omnicience from the other.
You have human nature. You can run, but you can't outrun a lion, because you nature won't allow it. Same with God. His omnipotence is connected to His nature since being omnipotent is part of what He is. I explained this to you before.
The problem in going after a guy like that is he repesents such a small minority of christians. Mike has plagerized the work of others in PMs to me, used personal attacks instead of loving thine enemy, declaring war... it all adds up to proof that he doesn't believe in christian virtues anyway. For his own sake his God better not exist. lol.
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miket1m 3 years ago
You have issues, both personal and with grammar. Try using 'you're' when you mean to say 'you are' and not 'your'. And then try taking a few deep breaths before you rant away like a jibbering idiot in case you continue to expose yourself for the complete whackjob you so obviously are.
Funny.
mungbeanman 2 years ago
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miket1m 2 years ago
No, because baiting you is a pure pleasure.
mungbeanman 2 years ago
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miket1m 3 years ago
There MAY be aliens somewhere in space. If u decide u believe this right now...when we have no proof...will it b MY job to DISprove aliens if I disagree?
julzabro 3 years ago
It's not the job of he who rejects a claim to prove it's true....ESPECIALLY if the rejected claim has never/nor could ever BE proven! If u believe and wish 2 propagate something as truth, then the burden of proof is, truly, on u!
julzabro 3 years ago
Theists make a claim that atheists reject. Without the claim, there would b no atheism. 2say that atheists have 2 proove their position when their position is mere RESPONSE 2 ur belief is illogical. If I tell u I believe in unicorns and u say u don't, should I, then, demand that u proove that unicorns don't exist?
julzabro 3 years ago
It's not that atheist don't have to prove anything, atheist can't prove anything in regards to the non-existence of God. The atheistic position is based on simple abstract possibility. So to make the claim there is no God is completely illogical. Your begging the question here.
miket1m 3 years ago
Atheists prove their position by stating that there is no evidence or not enough evidence to support the validity of god. Their position is a refute to a claim and it simply rejects the claim for lack of evidence. It does NOT have to disprove the claim to do this LOGICALLY. It is simply a position that requires proof before faith.
julzabro 3 years ago
That still does not disprove the existence of God. There is nothing logical about atheism whatsoever. There is a lot of proof that God exist. Not just the Bible. There are a lot of other proofs.
miket1m 3 years ago
I agree that it can be said...atheists BELIEVE that god does NOT exist. So, 1 could say...they have no proof of this belief. HOWEVER, this is unreasonable and nonsensical. This would mean that anything considered not believable MUST b proven 2 NOT exist before we can DISbelieve it simply becuz the atheistic position is 1 of proof requirement.
julzabro 3 years ago
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miket1m 3 years ago
The equivalent of this is atheists telling YOU that u must believe in ALL the gods and fairytales since UR position is simply about blindfaith. U have reasons 2 pick what u believe just as atheists have reasons 2 require proof. The bottom line is u can't say u belive in something that's UNproovable and expect those who disagree 2 PROVE or DISprove your Unprovable claim. If u want 2 tout a claim as truth, it's only fair that YOU provide proof.
julzabro 3 years ago
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miket1m 3 years ago
Some PMs from miket1m to me for you all to laugh at -
"Your the one who says the Bible is full of contradictions. Show me you limy prick."
"Your a fucking idiot thats what you are. Your also a self centered bastard. An egotistical maniac with a low self esteem. Go fuck yourself in the face asswipe. And get a fucking haircut you look like a fucking smacked ass."
"Fucking retard"
"Take all the time you want you limy bastard. I'll be here waiting on your fat ass."
mungbeanman 3 years ago
"You miss the whole point asshole. People who claim to be atheist. Thats what I'm talking about. You can't claim to be an atheist and an agnostic at the same time. Its ridiculous. Atheist do not believe, agnostic don't know. Fuck off moron."
"Yeah, that so cool. Give me a break. Have you looked in the mirror lately? Aren't you a white guy asshole? I never said I was a good Christian, I just hate stupidity. Say there is no God. You don't have a clue moron."
mungbeanman 3 years ago
"Listen pea brain to this definition. Impaired judgment by definition, does not know it is impaired. Your judgment is definitely impaired and you definitely don't know it."
"Never said I was a good Christian asshole. You make Satan proud!"
He then sends me an enormous list of questions and tells me to take my time answering them. It took about an hour and what's his this response to the courtesy I extended to him? Complete and utter silence.
What a nasty little bastard he is.
mungbeanman 3 years ago
War. What the hell war are you talking about crazy person? A universal negative is what atheist posit which requires absolute knowledge of the entire universe.
miket1m 3 years ago
"I am extremely offended by that asswipe video "Fuck You" you made. Take it off or I will declare war on you I promise! That is so disrespectful it make me want to throw up."
Dated Aug 23 2008. Your words Mike. And atheism requires what??? lol! Absolute knowledge of the universe? Holy fuck.
With your logic, it is no wonder you were duped by the bible.
gklr 3 years ago
ok I remember. So, I was in a bad mood that day. I didn't think you would take that seriously. Grow up for Gods sake. Lets put all this behind us and talk logic here. We could have a good debate if you would start thinking rationally.
miket1m 3 years ago
Mike, I thought you said atheism was a faith?
"To say there is no evidence for God necessitates that you would have to have seen all the evidence in the entire world. Since you haven't, you can't say there is no evidence, because there could be and hasn't been presented yet. So you hold your position by faith.
Now I know you don't like to claim faith as as the basis to adhering to your position so you go on the attack in order to give intellectual credence to your position."
Your words.
gklr 3 years ago
I do not say there is no evidence for a God, I tell atheists off for saying that and argue with them that bibles and testimonies ARE evidence of a God, just poor evidence. Bad logic is still logic. You claimed I deny atheism is a faith, when I clearly say atheism is a faith in my videos and comments and is the #1 thing my channel is known for.
Now you are saying atheism requires absolute knowledge of the universe, which is not only silly, but contradicts that atheism is a belief.
gklr 3 years ago
No, I am saying in order to say there is no God you would have to know all things in the universe, and we know no one knows all things in the universe. This is why we think "strong" atheism is illogical. I did some research and apparently you are what is called a weak atheist. I'm sorry I call that an agnostic. If you don't consider yourself an agnostic, then I would appreciate it if you would tell me your definition of an agnostic.
miket1m 3 years ago
Keep your stories straight Mike. Is atheism a faith or is it knowledge of the entire universe? And do not steal the works of others while claiming to be a christian. I was warned by someone you had banned that you plagerized material, and I caught you doing it myself. And do not lie and claim to be a christian. Denying your "war", denying calling me a fat slob, is lying Mike. This is proof you don't believe in christianity at all. Your hypocricy leaves no doubt in my mind, you deny christianity.
gklr 3 years ago
Think!!! What I said was in order to say there is no God you would have to have complete knowledge of the entire universe. No one has that, so how can someone say there is no God? It take just as much faith, if not more for someone to believe there is no God. I'm not at war with you. You need to stop that idiotic rhetoric.
miket1m 3 years ago
I do not plagiarize! If I use any material from a website, than you better believe I have authorization to use that material. Do not go there with the plagiarizing if you don't know what the hell your talking about. How do you know I didn't write it myself anyway? You don't. So forget it. We're talking about atheism here.
miket1m 3 years ago
@miket1m hey mikey you might remember me from when i destroyed you several times. your copy and paste arguments never really stood a chance did they? maybe if u weren't so mad about having to pay back taxes on something u got busted for u wouldn't be so angry. but then u never had a real argument to start with. so enjoy being beaten to easily again an again
hollowpoint84 1 year ago
God's character never changes. He changes His mind. I know what atheism is and it is illogical. All talk dude, show me the proof that my God doesn't exist! What the hell is wrong with you anyway? Sober up and get back to me.
miket1m 3 years ago
Malachi 3:6 ... I am not man, I do not change.
This is God apparently talking in his own words Mike. Then God changes, changes again and changes once more. This is proof the biblical God cannot exist. I do not drink, so I have no reason to sober up and no dude, you have no clue as to what atheism is and contradict yourself on it. Keep your story straight.
gklr 3 years ago
Your God is supposed to have created time, before time existed, a time itself. Poof, your God cannot exist.
gklr 3 years ago
God was before all things and there was a "time" when God was all that existed.
miket1m 3 years ago
"God was before all things and there was a "time" when God was all that existed." For someone who claims that atheists must have ALL evidence in the universe in order to deny god...this is a bold statement!
julzabro 3 years ago
Theism has evidence to support the existence of God and theism is a universal positive, where atheism is a universal negative, which is impossible to prove. How does one say there is no God? That is an illogical statement and totally indefensible as it requires omniscience.
miket1m 3 years ago
"Theism has evidence to support the existence of God" Really? DO tell! It requires omniscience 2 know that god DOES exist as well then...with ur logic. But please, if u and/or the theist HAVE evidence as u say...do tell!!!
julzabro 3 years ago
Atheism posits a universal negative, Theism is a universal positive which does not require omniscience.
miket1m 3 years ago
How is atheism a "universal negative"??? It is a defintion which describes a position of DISbelief of god but is not a "universal negative" nor is it a negative position. It's only negative in that it states...I do NOT believe....so what! So atheism requires omniscience but not theism...can u explain this?
julzabro 3 years ago
The burden of proof lies on the atheist to prove there is no God since atheist only believe in what they can see. They would have to go everywhere in the universe, throughout time and see for themselves that God doesn't exist. Until atheist can do this, their assertion that there is no God is merely an expression based on faith just like a religious belief.
miket1m 3 years ago
Atheists only believe what they see, right! So BECUZ THEY DO NOT SEE GOD...they don't believe in god. This is not a problem 4 them. If you want atheists to believe in god, u would have 2 show them god becuz, as u stated, they believe only what they see (actually they believe what is testable). I agree with u that atheism is a belief but it is not based on faith...it's based on logic and reason.
julzabro 3 years ago
"nor is it a negative position"
"It's only negative in that it states...I do NOT believe"
Is there a contradiction here?
miket1m 3 years ago
No contradiction. There is nothing negative about atheism except that it is a position that LACKS or does NOT have a belief in god. This doesn't make it negative in the sense that it is less or bad...at least, not in the sense that the word negative is, often times, used. U still haven't explained what u meant by saying that atheism is a "universal negative"
julzabro 3 years ago
oh, sry I didn't c this! However, this isn't really an answer. Neither theism nor atheism require omniscience as they r positions based on belief or disbelief of the what religion calls god. To say that atheists need to be omniscient is absurd??? Neither atheism nor theism can ever be omniscient, so neither side should expect omnicience from the other.
julzabro 3 years ago
Your God is allegedly all knowing, yet cannot think of a calculation so complex that he cannot calculate it. Poof, your God cannot exist.
gklr 3 years ago
Your God is allegedly all-powerful, yet your God cannot create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it. Poof, your God is proven to not exist again.
gklr 3 years ago
You have human nature. You can run, but you can't outrun a lion, because you nature won't allow it. Same with God. His omnipotence is connected to His nature since being omnipotent is part of what He is. I explained this to you before.
miket1m 3 years ago
I never said you were a fat slob.
miket1m 3 years ago
"I'm flattered, you fat slob. Your a Canadian, that explains it all."
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It was your first response to the last video I made on your "war".
Which commandment says not to lie Mike?
gklr 3 years ago
miket1m seems to have lost a few kangaroos from the top paddock
zawam 3 years ago
The problem in going after a guy like that is he repesents such a small minority of christians. Mike has plagerized the work of others in PMs to me, used personal attacks instead of loving thine enemy, declaring war... it all adds up to proof that he doesn't believe in christian virtues anyway. For his own sake his God better not exist. lol.
gklr 3 years ago
You are the fucking man!
cozmikzen 3 years ago
g-= p and not p at the same time = g exists
cardellacole1 3 years ago