"...It is not policy of the U.S. government to torture detainees." The U.S. policy is to sell arms to opposite sides or kill people. The U.S. does one thing and says another so it really does not matter what the policy is. Watch the films of torture on YouTube, see the facts, look up supporting documentation.
@FRSFreeStatePlus -- Yes, but he was CIA. His family was friends and business partners with the Bush family. Do you believe the U.S. will blow themselves up?
@lin144 So I guess it would be just if a group of Iraqi citizens who'd had their families dessimated by American bombs, came on over here and decided to torture you or one of your family or just any old American they could pick up off the street, right? That IS what you're saying right?
there is no crusader in Afghanistan! Noone wants to establish a christian government or a christian kingdom, or have you heard of anything else?
Ask yourself:
you want to live under the brutal sharia or under freedom, democracy, equality, maybe even prosperty and wealth... noone wants to attack islam or your god Allah, you can still believe in Allah and worship and so on!! Thats not our intention!!! We´d like to rebuild your country from all the destruction!!!
Certainly this is not based on race? You have good reason to think this other than believing every single detained person in the entire world is guilty? I believe it's possible for law enforcement to be as ignorant and bigotted as you are appearing now, so that "evidence" wouldn't fly.
@stevenapoleon Sorry to hear that the Suppreme Court has overruled your well informed judgement. My guess is you don't even know what the 'something' is that you think Boumediene was involved in. It's because the US military employs dimwits like yourself, that innocent people get put in jail or worse. Check out Wikileaks and start weeping for your dying country.
I say we declare war against these bankers, these money hungry corporations and quit fighting and dying for people just like ourselves being minipulated by the same people including war against our media for LYING to us on a daily basis as they are sponsered by every medical perscription corporation and drug know to mankind...
Hell just turn on your tv for 5 min and you will see drug sales on every channel.
ah man i can just about handle being awake for 12 hours but 16 DAYS :O thats hardcore tourture , im amazed hes still thinking straight .. noone deserves that... i feel for this man, im glad hes out and back with hes family
1-This war defending the interest of military industry, Bankers, Oil companies,it's the same people making money in the last 300 years from wars, yet they do not committee themself or there kids
2-It's all about looting counties wealth and resources but you have to create false flag like 911 so the sheep's will follow
3- 8years and US & NATO are losing and now asking the world to help them on ONE country using low tech arm
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abc news crap! they tell lies just like fox news.. and guess what.. almost all of the president follow the history way! like adolf hitler.. then sadam hussein follow his way.. maybe bush follow his way too then obama? idk bout him but the main reason who cause all of these muslim are terrorist and fuckin people is GEORGE THE BUSH! imagine he wasnt alive.. not one of these will happen and we can live in the normal way...
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What more do you expect out of this commie network ABC. Those cocksuckers focus on this one measly dipshit who got a bad rap but God forbid they ever focus on the 99.999% of the other people we've gotten who all want nothing more than to wipe our country out. I wish we could round these fucking anti-Americaqn pussy liberals up and send them to Iraq to sit down with their heroes, the terrorists. It would be interesting to see if the machetes to their necks would change their opinion on things.
"a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat" "a sudden threat or challenge to the publics sense of domestic well-being" - Grand Chessboard, what's needed for "consensus on foreign policy" on the "pursuit of power"
"clear and present danger" "renewed threat to American security" would "DO THE TRICK" - CFR, on beating "apathetic internationalism" (i.e. "vietnam syndrome", revulsion for wars of aggr) with aggressive internationalism
They weren`t coming here to attack us till now. Since we let our country bomb them to the stone age under a the mise of a false flag attack )o Set up by the Bush adminastration
Now where was the Fox news concerning he's interviewed statement, and Msnbc, that is Mika/mourning Joe, with the exception of Keith Olbermann which tells the, and forgive me... but the FUCKING TRUTH, which is hard to find in the mainstream news, and anyone who disagree's are those people who can't handle the truth..
Bush started the war. Obama will continue it. Bush kept rich people rich and poor people poor. Obama will continue it. Bush sent a crap load of people to get tortured. Obama has told us that he'll do the same. Bush started the bail outs. Obama is doing a fine job of making more of them.
Yes, we went from one puppet to another. Go USA. We sure did do a great job. Let's go a Burger King now that we're done saving our country and, to a lesser extent the world.
everyone needs to realize that were all the same no matter what country no matter what skin color no matter what religion you believe in were all the same all countries have the same problems
everyone needs to relize that and move on stupid asses
@EROKmassacre no fuck americunt only ur cuntry is failing sooo bad inshallah the whole world prays for ur destruction. we shall see soon how ur economy implodes and china and russia comes for ur asses that they own lol
Go and read Murat Kurnaz' book and you will know exactly what goes on in Guantanamo every day. 'Goes' or 'went'? Who knows, but that hell hole definitely needs to be closed down.
The swine flu in the United States has hit pandemic. This means that The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act - December 21st, 2001 is now your constitution.
Under this act, you have almost no rights. You will have to prove that you do not oppose the government, or have the swine flu.
I love the part at the end where he says that he holds no ill will against Americans (other than Bush and crew). I think he speaks for a pretty much everyone there.
I am a 13th Generation American citizen (Mayflower) and I am very patriotic. What our government did during the last 8 years is not pardonable. I believe that John Ashcroft acting as attorney general had an obligation to make sure these things didn't happen, President George W. Bush is responsible, Vice President Dick Cheney is responsible, Donald Rumsfeld is responsible, and we all know the list goes on. I believe that all these officials should be brought up on charges for their war crimes!
What our government has been doing since before the assassination of JFK is not pardonable. They cover up alot of stuff because if people really knew the whole truth, these people would be tried for treason. Meet the Fuckers. It's neo-cons. Now that Soviet Russia is out of the way, they want to dominate as much as they can to stand up to North Korea and China. I mean 9/11 was obviously an inside job to rally up some support. Like a new Pearl Harbor.
They just promise you a bunch of bologna to get elected, then impose their own agenda and do what special interest groups want. It's never about what's in the best interest of the people. They think they know what's in our best interest. Just like Obama. He promised all this shit. A troop pullout. All this change. Has he really done anything? Maybe helped the economy a little. It's just a line of shit to me. He isn't hope or change. FDR, JFK... they were true symbols of hope and change.
People like that don't exist anymore. FDR was a good president because he did alot to hold the country together and keep us going during the Depression. JFK, he wasn't exactly an FDR, but he was committed to peace and very popular with people, and alot of people liked that with him. But he was dangerous to the establishment of big business. Any of the guys we've had since him haven't been worth a shit. Maybe LBJ because he passed Civil Rights. But the rest are idiots and liars.
The one thing I think many liked about JFK is he wanted to bring about alot of change and give the power back to the people. By 1963, he was committed to getting out of Vietnam by 1965, yet it took us until 1975 to leave and 50k American lives. He wanted to change the way the Federal Reserve worked. He didn't want to invade Cuba. He wanted to stop the space and arms race and cooperate with the USSR. He was a real symbol of hope and change. N he died along with that idea.
All these other guys, Reagan, Nixon, Carter, Bush, Clinton... They're all morons who just do what's best for big business or whoever gives them the biggest campaign contributions. Never what's best for the people. It's a sad direction that this country is moving in. I don't know why so many people thought Obama was such a great guy. Just because he was black, he was supposed to be this great symbol of hope and change. What hope has he really brought? what has he really changed? Not much.
Obama did not get elected with BIG BUSINESS help. He got elected without his hands tied to ANYONE. He owes the Americans who voted for him. I for one could feel the CHANGE the minute he was elected! If we have not changed, we would still be headed in the wrong direction! we ARE now on a path to avoiding a global catastrophe. We are now not the arm pit of the world in the eyes of other countries. We are now stronger as a UNITED country, not divided between republicans and the rest of the world.
I hate to say this, but buddy, you need to open your eyes. Apparently, nothing is at it seems. Politicians seem to be of a different species then "human". But rather a ruthless, cold hearted blood sucking vampire species, that will end us all. It truly is the scariest period of time to live in. As much as I don't want to notice it... it all seems to be marching down to the end of times. However you want to name it... seems to be just around the corner with the "politicians" crusading the path.
Well if they can go and prove in a Federal court that these people are "terrorists" then yeah, they should be detained. I mean yeah, they aren't American citizens either so they legally can't really present a case in Federal court. Which is why it should be left to a UN tribunal. I think it's BS how we forgot Bin Laden and went into Iraq. It's just plain BS. No WMDs. I think Bin Laden doesn't want to be found. He was trained by the CIA, now it's coming to bite them in the ass.
They probably used him back in the 80s to inform on PLO activities and other terrorist activities. Probably Hezbollah activities as well. Remember, those were to big enemies of the US back then. One of them still is. They need him. Plus he sort of has a trail of "secret" business with the Bushs too. He's too valuable to be killed, and they need his family as business partners. But they don't want him talking. So they isolate him.
you are right on binladen... he was a good friend:-) and capturing him in the beginning would have taken away any reason to occupy afghanistan and iraq! so he had to be alive (even if he might be dead..)!
poor ppl like this guy serve only to hold alive the "terrorist threat" so the elite can continue the agenda... it`s all about the oil!!
i think he was an asset to the cia back when the ussr invaded in 1979, but they used him as an informant on plo, hezbollah and other terrorist activities in the region. they could have just killed him when he became a threat, but his family's business is too important not only to the entire oil business, but especially the Bushes. Bin Ladens have big connections to the Saudis who invest largely in our oil businesses. I think they just want to isolate him at this point.
i know about his conections to bush.. and that he recieved 3 billion to build the resistence (alqueda) against the russians...
benassir buttho said he is dead, shortly before she was killed.. i believe it is very likely he is dead allready... but has to be kept "alive" for allowing no discussion about the motives to continue the war.. so far i have seen no evidence beyond any reasonable doubt of him being alive...
How can this happen? It's pure fucking evil to hold a man back with no evidence. Guantomo and Abu graib are no better than the WW2 concentration camps. Just torture for no reason
Back off will you? I'm not an American, but I know that the people living in America sure didn't want to let this happen. Its their government who's wrong. Not the people.
Ok heres the fact for you the Gov do wat people agree on... If americans want they can STOP all this just like if germans wanted they could STOP hitler.
germans gave rise to hitler and americans gave rise to israil.
germans discriminated to Jewish and israil discriminate against muslims.
Hey man look I don't want a cyber discussion on this, I just believe that time is a great judge and all evil comes to horrible end.
i agree-ish.... but you do realise that israel was there before the americans did anything... germany is to hiltler as america is to israel isnt excatly the best anology... america should have nothing to do with these countries... like when was the last time america started a war in northern ireland because of "religious disagreements".... its nothing to do with religion for america....
All the money provided to israil comes from america, all the weapons come from america, all the business comes from ameica, israil is protect by america so NOone can prosecute them for their war crimes....Why?
the israil under america is more violent more bold and knows it can do anything it wants to do without any concequences.
So realistically americas are the biggest threat to this world.
I wouldn't go as far as calling them stupit because they don't get the whole truth like the rest of the world since their media is run by a tight group with close ideas.
i cant walk down the streets of south boston (irish catholic nieghborhood in MA.) with a orange shirt on. so im having a hard time beliving theres no religous problems in ireland
There is religous problems, there is a seperation, Catholic Area & Protestant Area.
The Protestants in Ireland will provoke the Catholics by marching the Orange walk through a Catholic Area, this is asking for trouble but all of this aside, we are as one when it comes to a free Ireland apart from the Loyalists to the crown that want to stay with England lol
all this being said, in Islam murder and suicide are two of the biggest sins. Yes, that includes murder against non-believers who are NOT attacking islam. Now, say these extremists are wrong and this is NOT the holy war against muslims outlined in the quran? according to their own religion, murder + suicide = eternal damnation. Since no prophet has yet come down to tell muslims to fight, I dont consider these attacks religious at all.
America is a fucktarded country. They see a black man beat him, they see a muslim man arrest him, they see a jewish man spit on him. Those are all of things I have experienced in the United States no I'm not any of them but what I said I've seen with my own eyes on streets.
we is ttelling the truth all facts NWO is comeing and obama went to canada and mexico to get done what bush didnot get done to make the north american union and they are killing the dollar to bring in the amerio and chine has about 8 billion in the amerio that they wonted because they know that the dollar is going away soon and the are takeing away are guns too buy no bullits, us you guns as posts for you gate to your yard
I agree with you V, this discussion is not worth while, only as a professional communicator was simply pointing out your contradiction, in that you cannot make a point about a man who is used as a tool for another agenda, then say "it doesnt matter " that he is dead . The point that he is dead as Bennazhir Bhutto says, is simply the revealing fact "Someone" does not want you to know that! now the next Terror fantasy has to be created all over again. so put simply , it does matter !
There is no smoke without fire, if the Police arrest & search a persons property for the safety of our way of living then we are behind them 100%.
If it turns out that the person was innocent then fair enough, but all this is done for the safety of our living.
We should be thankful for the Services that Our Police force do, they try protect us because how would we know of a planed attack? we wouldnt, they do that job for us.
of course Jpmac23, because what you suggest is definately, by no means, stereotyping and depriving civillians of their rights is also not counter productive.
the difference between the terrorists and our government is the justification of the actions taken.
They justify it with irrational rhetoric which is baseless and we do it with logic; therefore we should not resort to primitive tactics such as trial an error with people's lives
Listen, we have been attacked from outside & from within our Countries, islamic extremists are brainwashing American & British muslims to attack us from within our Countries so i am behind the Police on EVERY raid they do.
There is no smoke without fire..
Would you rather a man be arrested & his property searched & they find a explosives in time & saves the lives of many.
I know i would.
We where fine until the muslims starting the attacks.
I'm highly doubting this 'fact', unless all you've read in the quran is the line about jihad...if you have read a little more than that, explain how the quran is evil, or significantly different than other religious texts? I mean evil is a strong word, you've gotta have more proof than a verse about jihad which has been interpreted in many different ways. The quran is thousands of pages, man..I'm waiting. But keep in mind I have read the bible as well, so if u live by that dont even bother.
nope i dont see the difference im going to decide to stereotype and blame every single irish person for every single bomb planted by the IRA..im going to blame everysingle person for the mad men who turn up at funerals and start shooting people
do u see where im going with this
when christians jumped on their horses to take the holy land by force, i guess they werent fighting the world. the pope at the time even used the bible to justify killing non christians
Ok but the IRA were bombing for an ideological/political reason.. killing hundreds of innocent women and children.. are you telling me it is not as bad as what muslim fanatics do
Muslims were not killing them
There was a WAR.. and the byzanthium king asked for help
by the way the crusades were over 200 years
and like i said the pope used the bible to justify killing non christians
You bloody idiot, the Crusaders were Christians not Just Catholics.
Secondly again i will repeat.
The IRA bombers didnt shot ''in the name of Jesus'' they didnt go on hunger strike in the name of Jesus, they did it for Ireland.
People invading the country with no reason what so ever, the brits let the Irish die through the famine & opened up Britain so that the irish could do the Jobs that the brits were on strike from, all to line the pockets of the False Queen of England
'Some Muslims incorrectly think that suicidal bombings during war is not suicide but an act of defensive war. They see it the same as fighting with guns or swords in a war. However, shooting in a war, one goes in with the intention NOT to die. Using oneself as a walking or flying bomb, one goes in with the intention of killing oneself (and the perceived enemy).'
So it's clear suicide bombers are motivated more by oppression and brainwashing than actual Islam.
Well yes of course they are brainwashed, i mean you never see the person that brainwashes muslims to be ''martyrs'' to actually slip a suicide belt on himself now do you?
Does this not say it all.
His life is far to important to waste in the name of God but all others, well yes they are used as weapons that walk into the target so destruction is definate.
i really suggest you do some reasearch into the crusades
when german christians were too lazy to make the trip down to the holy land they just kiled german jews..
when the crusaders first reached the holy land most were just after land and were asked to gives oaths not to seize any land for them selves (sounds like Iraq), most ended up destroying villages that werent even muslim and just assumed that because the people were tanned they were not christians
"We where fine until the muslims starting the attacks."
maybe if u were born in the 90s..otherwise, how can u witness 2 world wars, vietnam, cuba, your president's assassination, cold war, gulf war (which had nothing to do with islam), oklahoma terrorist attacks, and still think the US was safe before al qaeda? ignorant statement of the highest order. Fact is, US will always have enemies, and NOT only those opposed to freedom. Muslim extremists are just the latest scapegoat.
as opposed to your country's media brainwashing people (u included) to somehow believe that islam is evil, and creating an environment of constant paranoia. Amber alerts? give me a fuckin break..where were the alerts during the REAL attacks? Your government wanted u to live in a state of fear, which kept the war machine moving..why else is bin laden still at large?
Yes well try the Queen Of England killing innocent Catholics in Scotland, France & her Own Country England, tore their intestines out while alive, beheaded catholics & stuck their heads on poles in the town.
Burnt Catholics at the stake all because we wouldnt convert.
England invaded Scotland, England Invaded Wales, England invaded Ireland.
We all want independence, we want no part in England nor the Crown.
Yes i am quite aware who jim jones was, the drug user that started a cult, he started off as a reverend but then the drugs messed with his head & he though he was the messiah & took his people to a land of their own, then he made them all drink the drink to kill them..
Whats that got to do with Christianity?
You dont honestly believe this guy was Christian now do you?
You no that suicide is a big sin in Christianity dont you?
'You no that suicide is a big sin in Christianity dont you?'
how bout the Quran:
''And whoever commits suicide with a piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire''
''Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever''
''Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever''
So what about when the muslims through homosexuals off mountains to kill them?
Did God not create all in his Image? Did God not give life to all, are humans not created in the likeness of God?
If yes then why persecute homosexuals for something they have no control over.
lol. This is not a reason to proclaim islam as evil; I am not proclaiming christianity as evil am I? That would be almost as ignorant as you.
Why not ask all those questions to a priest? You'd get similar answers from a muslim. You should revise your knowledge on Sodom and Gomorrah...also I remember my first job at a theme park, I worked on the 2nd 'gay day' ever, and there was a massive protest outside..by priests.
I'm still waiting on why islam is being singled out as evil.
"The newly elected Roman Catholic Bishop has said that being gay should be seen as a gift from God rather than a sin. "
thats what he said..not christianity
so, why cant they be ordained as priests if christianity sees tham as equals
by the way i have many muslim freinds who think it is acceptable to be gay
when i worked with a muslim guy a gay guy and several white guys it was the white gusy that were the most homophobic.. muslim guy never said anything bad
Yes Anglican Churches in England have openly gay Vicars & lesbian Vicars.
The Catholic Church has gay priests, plenty of Gay priests but they go selibate.
The Pope knows there are gay priests, bishops ect but they have chosen to be celibate so they are doing no wrong according to the Pope.
I pray one day we get a young Pope, a Pope of this day & age that welcomes all who believe in God, sexuality being left private, if you believe in Christ then you are saved, no questions asked
I like how you swerve past the pre-revolution Iran comment.
Do you think that Islam was like it is today back then?
Because you are SO WRONG.
I believe that islamic Extremists use the Quran to approve the killing of non muslims..
In the Quran it tells you exactly what to do to the ''unbelievers'' Smite at their necks, ect ect the list is endless, the quran is a mumble jumble of Judaism, Christianity & Paganism.
you are absolutely no one to comment on life in Iran, because you haven't lived or grown up there. Neither am I, which is why I didn't even bring it up.
It's just hilarity to me..your ridiculously-biased views. All these so-called 'advancements' gays made in western society is NOT due to any revision made by God, or his prophets..it's simply a side-effect of a contradictory religion that people have strayed from slowly over the ages, to a point where people pick and choose what to follow.
Listen the story of Sodom & Gommorah, the villiage was destroyed because men was raping Angelic men that came to the village, God's Angels went down & was in a house when the men came banging on the door for the Angels to come out so they could RAPE them.
God Almighty Struck that village down because of this.
Not because male & male was in relationships or having sex, it was destroyed because of male RAPE.
kuruptzZz how different Iran was before the Revolution...
Funny isnt it.
Muslim women in short skirts, women in education, women dressed in sleeveless tops, women in the Army, men in clothes with colour, children laughing, playing.
Music, tv, fun..
Then the Revolution came & women was covered head to toe, not educated, thrown back thousands of years.
this is why the US will never be free of enemies; you will never stop trying to force your agendas and beliefs on other people. If you're not from the US, you're from the UK, which historically is much more guilty. In Canada we are relatively safe (until we got caught up in US' bs), you figure out why.
did you really need desmond tutu to tell you that homosexuality is OK? I have my own beliefs, thanks. I don't strictly let any religion tell me how to live. That being said, I have a great deal of respect for muslims because they have consistent beliefs, laid out for them in the quran which is virtually free of contradiction compared to other religious texts. The actual text itself is very hard to translate to modern arabic, nevermind english, so naturally some will always use it to gain power.
The irony of it all is that he does not see the IRA killing tousands of innocent men women and children and shooting mourners at burials as evil.or as bad as muslim suicide bombers. he thinks it is ok because of the past evils of england and his people are fighting for their rights.. sounds awfully firmiliar.. sounds like something achmed would say
still yet.. even thought the IRA and real IRA have killed innocent people i dont think all of the irish are evil
fuck america
tcp511 3 months ago
fuck bush
amirzubairmughal 4 months ago
well guess what we caught the asshole watching porn.so go speak to allah u booger eating assholes
afpj96 5 months ago
i bet this cunt never went back to bosnia... mistreated by the US but awww fuck it, i might as well stay there!
xfinchx 6 months ago
the u.s.a mason government blew up the twin towers NOT the arabians err' whatever.
they're trying to find Osama Bin LAden but hes OBAMA.
Then the government was the one to cause the earthquake in Japan.
WHY?
because a man made a H2O car.
(a water powered car) and as you know, the government is all focused on OIL. if there was a water powered car then we wouldnt care about oil !
the government is using the money to create something...
AfakasiKarlaaa 10 months ago
"...It is not policy of the U.S. government to torture detainees." The U.S. policy is to sell arms to opposite sides or kill people. The U.S. does one thing and says another so it really does not matter what the policy is. Watch the films of torture on YouTube, see the facts, look up supporting documentation.
electrodes1300 10 months ago
America might not catch Bin Laden but they can blow up his organization
FRSFreeStatePlus 11 months ago
@FRSFreeStatePlus -- Yes, but he was CIA. His family was friends and business partners with the Bush family. Do you believe the U.S. will blow themselves up?
electrodes1300 10 months ago
u mean the whole world
and united nations cant find osama?
and they want to police the world
great comedy
imamfollower 1 year ago
@lin144 So I guess it would be just if a group of Iraqi citizens who'd had their families dessimated by American bombs, came on over here and decided to torture you or one of your family or just any old American they could pick up off the street, right? That IS what you're saying right?
nvieira100 1 year ago
Lakhdar Boomanddie
MIKKAMETDIESTIKKA 1 year ago
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there is no crusader in Afghanistan! Noone wants to establish a christian government or a christian kingdom, or have you heard of anything else?
Ask yourself:
you want to live under the brutal sharia or under freedom, democracy, equality, maybe even prosperty and wealth... noone wants to attack islam or your god Allah, you can still believe in Allah and worship and so on!! Thats not our intention!!! We´d like to rebuild your country from all the destruction!!!
Joggaa18 1 year ago
i don't think any government has an official policy to torture detainees but they do what they do.
jcfrz 1 year ago
@lin144 sleep deprivation is a potent torture that will crack anyone , ya know ? But what ossama got to do with charity worker ?
sewagedweller 1 year ago
Everyone gets all Emo when they see these, Blah blah blah fuck this, fuck that, fuck the world. Cry me a river. You live. You eat. You die.
drewhimself 1 year ago
@drewhimself In between those you change the world.
Fuhgl 1 year ago
@lin144 but you can torture an inocent person, what if it was you dumb ass?
v100793 1 year ago
Sue the shit out of our government. I sure with I could.
MstrMnd420 1 year ago
@MstrMnd420 That and the individuals responsible (Bush and his cronies).
nvieira100 1 year ago
He is a lier. He has something to do with it. You do not get caught for nothing. H ei playing a game
stevenapoleon 1 year ago
@stevenapoleon
Certainly this is not based on race? You have good reason to think this other than believing every single detained person in the entire world is guilty? I believe it's possible for law enforcement to be as ignorant and bigotted as you are appearing now, so that "evidence" wouldn't fly.
anthonyhiscox 1 year ago
@stevenapoleon Sorry to hear that the Suppreme Court has overruled your well informed judgement. My guess is you don't even know what the 'something' is that you think Boumediene was involved in. It's because the US military employs dimwits like yourself, that innocent people get put in jail or worse. Check out Wikileaks and start weeping for your dying country.
henkvanderlaak 1 year ago
That's because Osama hussein is in the White House, hiding in plain sight.
carlmelanson1 1 year ago
Where is liberty and justice 4 all???
Ayeshachaudhary 1 year ago
brave man shit like this is not shown enough on TV stuff like this happens and no one knows about it.
messiabdevilliers 1 year ago
And seven years later....
"I just I cry. I cry, because I don't know my daughters. "
Ouch.
takemray 1 year ago
awe...orphans...
Scripzing 1 year ago
Thats not torture you stupid shit. This is a stunt. FUCK the government
00005426895 1 year ago
I say we declare war against these bankers, these money hungry corporations and quit fighting and dying for people just like ourselves being minipulated by the same people including war against our media for LYING to us on a daily basis as they are sponsered by every medical perscription corporation and drug know to mankind...
Hell just turn on your tv for 5 min and you will see drug sales on every channel.
kobedarott 2 years ago 2
@kobedarott
We'd lose, they have all the money.
Nollog 1 year ago
@Nollog I cant agree more!!!!!!!
kobedarott 1 year ago
ah man i can just about handle being awake for 12 hours but 16 DAYS :O thats hardcore tourture , im amazed hes still thinking straight .. noone deserves that... i feel for this man, im glad hes out and back with hes family
STFUMofo3 2 years ago
1-This war defending the interest of military industry, Bankers, Oil companies,it's the same people making money in the last 300 years from wars, yet they do not committee themself or there kids
2-It's all about looting counties wealth and resources but you have to create false flag like 911 so the sheep's will follow
3- 8years and US & NATO are losing and now asking the world to help them on ONE country using low tech arm
Good video to watch
1- Loose change
2- David Icke watch?v=Q8w4iGvIRjM
mysanjose 2 years ago 6
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abc news crap! they tell lies just like fox news.. and guess what.. almost all of the president follow the history way! like adolf hitler.. then sadam hussein follow his way.. maybe bush follow his way too then obama? idk bout him but the main reason who cause all of these muslim are terrorist and fuckin people is GEORGE THE BUSH! imagine he wasnt alive.. not one of these will happen and we can live in the normal way...
Adilshit 2 years ago
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What more do you expect out of this commie network ABC. Those cocksuckers focus on this one measly dipshit who got a bad rap but God forbid they ever focus on the 99.999% of the other people we've gotten who all want nothing more than to wipe our country out. I wish we could round these fucking anti-Americaqn pussy liberals up and send them to Iraq to sit down with their heroes, the terrorists. It would be interesting to see if the machetes to their necks would change their opinion on things.
johns279 2 years ago
ANTI-American?
"BinLaden should stay free" - fmr CIA Dir Krongard
"not too interested in him" - Bush
Ordered to NOT kill BinLaden - Dalton Fury, Spc Forces
"lucky" "providential", re hoped-for future attack on US - M. Ledeen, Amer Enterprise Inst
"catalyzing and catastrophic event" - PNAC, what they needed to topple resistance to war on Iraq, vital for US hegemony
How about when Michael Scheuer told Beck America NEEDS a city nuked by OBL?
NEED MORE CLARITY? (continued)
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
"a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat" "a sudden threat or challenge to the publics sense of domestic well-being" - Grand Chessboard, what's needed for "consensus on foreign policy" on the "pursuit of power"
"clear and present danger" "renewed threat to American security" would "DO THE TRICK" - CFR, on beating "apathetic internationalism" (i.e. "vietnam syndrome", revulsion for wars of aggr) with aggressive internationalism
YEP, all these ppl WANTED us attacked.
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
They weren`t coming here to attack us till now. Since we let our country bomb them to the stone age under a the mise of a false flag attack )o Set up by the Bush adminastration
MrSokitumi 2 years ago 3
Now where was the Fox news concerning he's interviewed statement, and Msnbc, that is Mika/mourning Joe, with the exception of Keith Olbermann which tells the, and forgive me... but the FUCKING TRUTH, which is hard to find in the mainstream news, and anyone who disagree's are those people who can't handle the truth..
Emyousmusa 2 years ago 3
Watch 'The End of America', it's still relevant. Your freedoms have been slashed.
bistrosidecar 2 years ago 4
Oh my God....this poor man! Shame on the Bush Administration....I hope he wins a big settlement...he deserves it.
MissNevada08 2 years ago 8
Bush started the war. Obama will continue it. Bush kept rich people rich and poor people poor. Obama will continue it. Bush sent a crap load of people to get tortured. Obama has told us that he'll do the same. Bush started the bail outs. Obama is doing a fine job of making more of them.
Yes, we went from one puppet to another. Go USA. We sure did do a great job. Let's go a Burger King now that we're done saving our country and, to a lesser extent the world.
bobbygnosis 2 years ago 4
i agree with the guy below.
but as right as he may be..those words dont speak magic...and people may realize it, but governments dont.
oh well...gotta keep on movin.
but..hey...at least we cant blame natural disasters for the end of the world.
Moonwolf211 2 years ago
all i have is this to say to every one
Fuck America
Fuck Iraq
FUCK THE WORLD
everyone needs to realize that were all the same no matter what country no matter what skin color no matter what religion you believe in were all the same all countries have the same problems
everyone needs to relize that and move on stupid asses
EROKmassacre 2 years ago 29
well i call that pathetic and selfish, but your right we are humans.
Venomonia 2 years ago
@EROKmassacre no fuck americunt only ur cuntry is failing sooo bad inshallah the whole world prays for ur destruction. we shall see soon how ur economy implodes and china and russia comes for ur asses that they own lol
JUSTBTWNUS1 4 months ago
@EROKmassacre
We don't have the same problem's believe me I've been there and I never want to see such a pathetic country again.
m249a1 3 months ago
Go and read Murat Kurnaz' book and you will know exactly what goes on in Guantanamo every day. 'Goes' or 'went'? Who knows, but that hell hole definitely needs to be closed down.
namaral2006 2 years ago
USA=War Crimes
USA is behind Honduras military coup
USA is hated around the globe
Obama is the new military congressinal complex's VILAN.
Not the Statesman he pretends to be!
Nothing has changed. What a Shame!
sacopenapa 2 years ago 8
Well, hopefully Obama fixes our image around the world. I think he'll do a fine job....however, he's failing with the economy
hardcorezombi 2 years ago
The swine flu in the United States has hit pandemic. This means that The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act - December 21st, 2001 is now your constitution.
Under this act, you have almost no rights. You will have to prove that you do not oppose the government, or have the swine flu.
w w w.publichealthlaw. net/MSEHPA/MSEHPA2.pdf
Dont look into it, because you knew that already.
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hardcorezombi 2 years ago
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he had it coming and he should be back in jail.
zio5q 2 years ago
lol, dude, did you even listen to what the vid said??
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wduoxy 2 years ago
How can Americans think people are "jelious" of them?
More like disgusted.
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WILLARDMilton1584 2 years ago
I love the part at the end where he says that he holds no ill will against Americans (other than Bush and crew). I think he speaks for a pretty much everyone there.
halo2994 2 years ago 4
i hope he wins when he sues them fucking bush wat an asshole man
razaa09 2 years ago 5
Someone should be put in Guantanamo for what he or she did to him.
harrypluto2317 2 years ago 4
I am a 13th Generation American citizen (Mayflower) and I am very patriotic. What our government did during the last 8 years is not pardonable. I believe that John Ashcroft acting as attorney general had an obligation to make sure these things didn't happen, President George W. Bush is responsible, Vice President Dick Cheney is responsible, Donald Rumsfeld is responsible, and we all know the list goes on. I believe that all these officials should be brought up on charges for their war crimes!
93rdcurrent 2 years ago 3
What our government has been doing since before the assassination of JFK is not pardonable. They cover up alot of stuff because if people really knew the whole truth, these people would be tried for treason. Meet the Fuckers. It's neo-cons. Now that Soviet Russia is out of the way, they want to dominate as much as they can to stand up to North Korea and China. I mean 9/11 was obviously an inside job to rally up some support. Like a new Pearl Harbor.
hogger129 2 years ago
They just promise you a bunch of bologna to get elected, then impose their own agenda and do what special interest groups want. It's never about what's in the best interest of the people. They think they know what's in our best interest. Just like Obama. He promised all this shit. A troop pullout. All this change. Has he really done anything? Maybe helped the economy a little. It's just a line of shit to me. He isn't hope or change. FDR, JFK... they were true symbols of hope and change.
hogger129 2 years ago
People like that don't exist anymore. FDR was a good president because he did alot to hold the country together and keep us going during the Depression. JFK, he wasn't exactly an FDR, but he was committed to peace and very popular with people, and alot of people liked that with him. But he was dangerous to the establishment of big business. Any of the guys we've had since him haven't been worth a shit. Maybe LBJ because he passed Civil Rights. But the rest are idiots and liars.
hogger129 2 years ago
The one thing I think many liked about JFK is he wanted to bring about alot of change and give the power back to the people. By 1963, he was committed to getting out of Vietnam by 1965, yet it took us until 1975 to leave and 50k American lives. He wanted to change the way the Federal Reserve worked. He didn't want to invade Cuba. He wanted to stop the space and arms race and cooperate with the USSR. He was a real symbol of hope and change. N he died along with that idea.
hogger129 2 years ago
All these other guys, Reagan, Nixon, Carter, Bush, Clinton... They're all morons who just do what's best for big business or whoever gives them the biggest campaign contributions. Never what's best for the people. It's a sad direction that this country is moving in. I don't know why so many people thought Obama was such a great guy. Just because he was black, he was supposed to be this great symbol of hope and change. What hope has he really brought? what has he really changed? Not much.
hogger129 2 years ago
I agree
halo2994 2 years ago
Obama did not get elected with BIG BUSINESS help. He got elected without his hands tied to ANYONE. He owes the Americans who voted for him. I for one could feel the CHANGE the minute he was elected! If we have not changed, we would still be headed in the wrong direction! we ARE now on a path to avoiding a global catastrophe. We are now not the arm pit of the world in the eyes of other countries. We are now stronger as a UNITED country, not divided between republicans and the rest of the world.
scamperator 2 years ago
sure... do you have any idea of whats going on in this county? you sound like a fuckin fan boy...
DrPepperKid14 2 years ago
I hate to say this, but buddy, you need to open your eyes. Apparently, nothing is at it seems. Politicians seem to be of a different species then "human". But rather a ruthless, cold hearted blood sucking vampire species, that will end us all. It truly is the scariest period of time to live in. As much as I don't want to notice it... it all seems to be marching down to the end of times. However you want to name it... seems to be just around the corner with the "politicians" crusading the path.
TCStateProjectionboy 2 years ago 21
thanks for posting this... bush&cheney are war-criminals!! their name should stand in line with hitler, stalin, mao, milosevic and karadjic
log140 2 years ago
Well if they can go and prove in a Federal court that these people are "terrorists" then yeah, they should be detained. I mean yeah, they aren't American citizens either so they legally can't really present a case in Federal court. Which is why it should be left to a UN tribunal. I think it's BS how we forgot Bin Laden and went into Iraq. It's just plain BS. No WMDs. I think Bin Laden doesn't want to be found. He was trained by the CIA, now it's coming to bite them in the ass.
hogger129 2 years ago
They probably used him back in the 80s to inform on PLO activities and other terrorist activities. Probably Hezbollah activities as well. Remember, those were to big enemies of the US back then. One of them still is. They need him. Plus he sort of has a trail of "secret" business with the Bushs too. He's too valuable to be killed, and they need his family as business partners. But they don't want him talking. So they isolate him.
hogger129 2 years ago
you are right on binladen... he was a good friend:-) and capturing him in the beginning would have taken away any reason to occupy afghanistan and iraq! so he had to be alive (even if he might be dead..)!
poor ppl like this guy serve only to hold alive the "terrorist threat" so the elite can continue the agenda... it`s all about the oil!!
log140 2 years ago
i think he was an asset to the cia back when the ussr invaded in 1979, but they used him as an informant on plo, hezbollah and other terrorist activities in the region. they could have just killed him when he became a threat, but his family's business is too important not only to the entire oil business, but especially the Bushes. Bin Ladens have big connections to the Saudis who invest largely in our oil businesses. I think they just want to isolate him at this point.
hogger129 2 years ago
i know about his conections to bush.. and that he recieved 3 billion to build the resistence (alqueda) against the russians...
benassir buttho said he is dead, shortly before she was killed.. i believe it is very likely he is dead allready... but has to be kept "alive" for allowing no discussion about the motives to continue the war.. so far i have seen no evidence beyond any reasonable doubt of him being alive...
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brucewillissucks 2 years ago
you can sue the us government
comicguy12 2 years ago
bullshit.....
JCRReality 2 years ago
United States citizens are not the cause the Government. Also why did they torture him? I mean thats a ignorant thing to do... 2 reasons because
1:He is forced against his will and they didn't even have any evidence...
2:He might have been falsly accused and he was sent their to be physically abused.
The United States Government can be a bit inane sometimes...
MrPuffyable 2 years ago
The Government is*
MrPuffyable 2 years ago
Img giving a Nazi salute everytime i hear America.
Heil America!
fahddoggz 2 years ago
Bush (and his dad) are dickheads honestly the republican party is just fucked and im not even american.
teis1411 2 years ago 3
How can this happen? It's pure fucking evil to hold a man back with no evidence. Guantomo and Abu graib are no better than the WW2 concentration camps. Just torture for no reason
BrixSnBs 2 years ago 4
thats why I hate american policy makers...
american are MONSTERS...
americans = Modern Nazi
gangupnow 2 years ago
hey don't make assumptions about Americans--I think this is horrible too and I'm American.
shankbone01 2 years ago
Back off will you? I'm not an American, but I know that the people living in America sure didn't want to let this happen. Its their government who's wrong. Not the people.
FrozenAtrox 2 years ago 2
Ok heres the fact for you the Gov do wat people agree on... If americans want they can STOP all this just like if germans wanted they could STOP hitler.
germans gave rise to hitler and americans gave rise to israil.
germans discriminated to Jewish and israil discriminate against muslims.
Hey man look I don't want a cyber discussion on this, I just believe that time is a great judge and all evil comes to horrible end.
continues>>>>>>>>>>>
gangupnow 2 years ago
i agree-ish.... but you do realise that israel was there before the americans did anything... germany is to hiltler as america is to israel isnt excatly the best anology... america should have nothing to do with these countries... like when was the last time america started a war in northern ireland because of "religious disagreements".... its nothing to do with religion for america....
confusedinthegroove 2 years ago
All the money provided to israil comes from america, all the weapons come from america, all the business comes from ameica, israil is protect by america so NOone can prosecute them for their war crimes....Why?
the israil under america is more violent more bold and knows it can do anything it wants to do without any concequences.
So realistically americas are the biggest threat to this world.
gangupnow 2 years ago 3
thank you
theirishsta11ion 2 years ago 2
your right buddy, americans are nazis!!
thepasword 2 years ago
most americans are too stupid to realise whats going on... only some of them are monsters....
confusedinthegroove 2 years ago 4
I wouldn't go as far as calling them stupit because they don't get the whole truth like the rest of the world since their media is run by a tight group with close ideas.
gangupnow 2 years ago
yeah i suppose its more ignorence than stupidity... but a fair few of them are stupid too...
confusedinthegroove 2 years ago 2
Oh Lil' Bush... Hell will be treating you better than you did towards the rest of humanity... say Hi to Lenin and Hittler from me will ya'?
darkain666 2 years ago 2
Osama Ben Ladin is dead- !!
rasjahjah 2 years ago
Another case of the Bush Admin. fucking things up! Way to go!
LukasVonBamberg 2 years ago 2
It's Niko Bellic!!!!
Amunication 2 years ago
haha gotcha
gardna8 2 years ago
BUT there are plenty of Protestants that dont want the union, they want a free Ireland.
The Republic Of Ireland is free from Great Britain & that is both Protestant & Catholic,
Northern Ireland still belongs to Great Britain.
This is why we are still fighting to free our Land.
jpmac23 2 years ago
Dont you agree that Religion should not be your politics?
Why drag your faith into Politics?
Unlike what muslims do.
jpmac23 2 years ago
i cant walk down the streets of south boston (irish catholic nieghborhood in MA.) with a orange shirt on. so im having a hard time beliving theres no religous problems in ireland
gardna8 2 years ago
There is religous problems, there is a seperation, Catholic Area & Protestant Area.
The Protestants in Ireland will provoke the Catholics by marching the Orange walk through a Catholic Area, this is asking for trouble but all of this aside, we are as one when it comes to a free Ireland apart from the Loyalists to the crown that want to stay with England lol
jpmac23 2 years ago
the religion. i dont know how to spell it. not catholic....sorry im just trying to learn about my history here sooooo go easy haha
gardna8 2 years ago
Protestant.
Yes the Queen Of england is Protestant.
The IRA have both Catholic & Protestant members, they fought as one for a free Ireland.
jpmac23 2 years ago
the 7 counties are mostly protestin however no?
gardna8 2 years ago
Protesting what exactly?
jpmac23 2 years ago
it is religous to a extent lets not get crazy here no??
gardna8 2 years ago
Free Ireland is not a religious war, it is to free the Irish people, to get the brits out of our land.
They invaded our Land just like they did Scotland, & wales, they joined the crowns to make the Union.
We dont want the union, Scotland, Ireland & Wales dont want the union, we want our Land & to be free from England.
jpmac23 2 years ago
all this being said, in Islam murder and suicide are two of the biggest sins. Yes, that includes murder against non-believers who are NOT attacking islam. Now, say these extremists are wrong and this is NOT the holy war against muslims outlined in the quran? according to their own religion, murder + suicide = eternal damnation. Since no prophet has yet come down to tell muslims to fight, I dont consider these attacks religious at all.
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jpmac23 2 years ago
how can americans compare the irish to terrorist. ever hear of the revolution?? ok tacticts??? again ever hear of the revolution???
gardna8 2 years ago
you all need to stop watching spike tv haha
gardna8 2 years ago
The U.S. government hard at work.
How come bush hasn't been arrested for crimes against humanity?
ParadiddleSoup 2 years ago
America is a fucktarded country. They see a black man beat him, they see a muslim man arrest him, they see a jewish man spit on him. Those are all of things I have experienced in the United States no I'm not any of them but what I said I've seen with my own eyes on streets.
drumzstix666 2 years ago
well to say a BLACK man was elected president i would say theres a BIG BIG BIG part of America that has nothing against Blacks wouldnt you. lol
jpmac23 2 years ago
WANNA SEE THE TRUTH ABOUT ALL POLITICIANS???
search "The Reality Party"
and see the sad reality about EVERY politician ever.
TooFarTV 2 years ago
He worked for a charity helping orphans in need...
/facepalm
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nate6474 2 years ago
I agree with you V, this discussion is not worth while, only as a professional communicator was simply pointing out your contradiction, in that you cannot make a point about a man who is used as a tool for another agenda, then say "it doesnt matter " that he is dead . The point that he is dead as Bennazhir Bhutto says, is simply the revealing fact "Someone" does not want you to know that! now the next Terror fantasy has to be created all over again. so put simply , it does matter !
mindprogrammer 2 years ago 2
There is no smoke without fire, if the Police arrest & search a persons property for the safety of our way of living then we are behind them 100%.
If it turns out that the person was innocent then fair enough, but all this is done for the safety of our living.
We should be thankful for the Services that Our Police force do, they try protect us because how would we know of a planed attack? we wouldnt, they do that job for us.
jpmac23 2 years ago
of course Jpmac23, because what you suggest is definately, by no means, stereotyping and depriving civillians of their rights is also not counter productive.
the difference between the terrorists and our government is the justification of the actions taken.
They justify it with irrational rhetoric which is baseless and we do it with logic; therefore we should not resort to primitive tactics such as trial an error with people's lives
aryien17 2 years ago 2
Listen, we have been attacked from outside & from within our Countries, islamic extremists are brainwashing American & British muslims to attack us from within our Countries so i am behind the Police on EVERY raid they do.
There is no smoke without fire..
Would you rather a man be arrested & his property searched & they find a explosives in time & saves the lives of many.
I know i would.
We where fine until the muslims starting the attacks.
Islam is to blame, that quran is evil
jpmac23 2 years ago
did u ever read the quran??
logine69 2 years ago
As a matter of fact i have, the Surah & the Hadith..
Point Is?
jpmac23 2 years ago
I'm highly doubting this 'fact', unless all you've read in the quran is the line about jihad...if you have read a little more than that, explain how the quran is evil, or significantly different than other religious texts? I mean evil is a strong word, you've gotta have more proof than a verse about jihad which has been interpreted in many different ways. The quran is thousands of pages, man..I'm waiting. But keep in mind I have read the bible as well, so if u live by that dont even bother.
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
i was just wonderin. no point at all. may god help u.
logine69 2 years ago
IRA = white christian
they have killed more people on the british mainland than muslim extremists
so white christians are to be blamed,, so white christianity is evil
now do u see the flaws in your statment
Iamnr 2 years ago
IRA is white Christian.
Really..
So the IRA was fighting a Religious war. is that what your trying to say?
Keep in mind that i'm Irish.
jpmac23 2 years ago
nope but a lot of the violence that goes on is based on political and religous views
u have catholics and protestants killing each other yet ppl do not blame all catholics /protestants or irish or call them barbaric
even with out that argument
with your logic i can claim all people from northern ireland are evil
ill just add hiroshima, jim jones, Bosnia, Nazi germany, rwanda, the spanish inquisition,the crusades,transatlantic slavery,cambodia
not a single muslim in sight
Iamnr 2 years ago
Quick history lesson for you regarding Irish Catholics & Protestants,
The Protestants are for the British, the Union of Great Britain, they are for the Queen.
The Catholics are not for the Union of Great Britain, we are not for the crown, we do not pay homage to a Queen that isnt even British.
The fighting is because of this.
Fighting between the people of Ireland.
Muslims are fighting the world, Jihad..
Understand the differences?
jpmac23 2 years ago
nope i dont see the difference im going to decide to stereotype and blame every single irish person for every single bomb planted by the IRA..im going to blame everysingle person for the mad men who turn up at funerals and start shooting people
do u see where im going with this
when christians jumped on their horses to take the holy land by force, i guess they werent fighting the world. the pope at the time even used the bible to justify killing non christians
Iamnr 2 years ago
OMG!! The crusaders was sent to protect the Christian pilgrims because the muslims were killing them.
Typical muslim talk, playing the victim card.
Pathetic.
We dont go bombing in the name of Jesus now do we???
Do you see the IRA bombing in the name of Jesus?
jpmac23 2 years ago
first of all im not muslim
secondly stop playing the denial card
Ok but the IRA were bombing for an ideological/political reason.. killing hundreds of innocent women and children.. are you telling me it is not as bad as what muslim fanatics do
Muslims were not killing them
There was a WAR.. and the byzanthium king asked for help
by the way the crusades were over 200 years
and like i said the pope used the bible to justify killing non christians
just as with slavery
Iamnr 2 years ago
You bloody idiot, the Crusaders were Christians not Just Catholics.
Secondly again i will repeat.
The IRA bombers didnt shot ''in the name of Jesus'' they didnt go on hunger strike in the name of Jesus, they did it for Ireland.
People invading the country with no reason what so ever, the brits let the Irish die through the famine & opened up Britain so that the irish could do the Jobs that the brits were on strike from, all to line the pockets of the False Queen of England
jpmac23 2 years ago
5 requirements of Islam:
- belief that there is 1 god (Allah)
- prayer (5 times a day for most)
- charity (u MUST donate 2.5% of salary)
- not eating during ramadan
- attending hajj in saudi arabia at least once in your life
you do all these things, and guess what? you are a model muslim. Nothing else is required. Explain how any of that is evil in any way.
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
I've had this argument with many muslims, they believe that aslong as your religion is monotheism then its ok..
So lets just say, the devil worshipers that say believe that satan is the one & only god, does this make them in the same league as Muslims?
The Quran also says if you kill one human then its like you have killed off humanity.
Think on!!
jpmac23 2 years ago
from a muslim scholar:
'Some Muslims incorrectly think that suicidal bombings during war is not suicide but an act of defensive war. They see it the same as fighting with guns or swords in a war. However, shooting in a war, one goes in with the intention NOT to die. Using oneself as a walking or flying bomb, one goes in with the intention of killing oneself (and the perceived enemy).'
So it's clear suicide bombers are motivated more by oppression and brainwashing than actual Islam.
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
Well yes of course they are brainwashed, i mean you never see the person that brainwashes muslims to be ''martyrs'' to actually slip a suicide belt on himself now do you?
Does this not say it all.
His life is far to important to waste in the name of God but all others, well yes they are used as weapons that walk into the target so destruction is definate.
Sick & twisted
jpmac23 2 years ago
BTW just incase you didnt know, a Martyr is someone that is killed because of his Religion.
A Martyr is not someone who kills in the name of his religion.
Christian Martyr says ''I will die for what i believe in''
Muslim ''martyr'' says ''You will die for what i believe in''
Do you spot the difference
jpmac23 2 years ago
"You bloody idiot, the Crusaders were Christians not Just Catholics.
"
see how you resort to childish insults when some one is clearly more inteligent than you
i never said crusaders were just catholic
it still doesnt change the fat teh pope used the bible to justify murder
Iamnr 2 years ago
Well when you mention the Pope, would that not insinuate that you was reffering to Roman Catholics..
Well i would have a guess & say ''Yes''
jpmac23 2 years ago
i really suggest you do some reasearch into the crusades
when german christians were too lazy to make the trip down to the holy land they just kiled german jews..
when the crusaders first reached the holy land most were just after land and were asked to gives oaths not to seize any land for them selves (sounds like Iraq), most ended up destroying villages that werent even muslim and just assumed that because the people were tanned they were not christians
Iamnr 2 years ago
so there were several reasons for the crusades
it wasnt because muslims were killing christian pilgrims
there were atleast 8 or 9 crusades
and finally like i said on your logic
all irish are evil..
and if you are not all evil i would like you to explain why
Iamnr 2 years ago
"We where fine until the muslims starting the attacks."
maybe if u were born in the 90s..otherwise, how can u witness 2 world wars, vietnam, cuba, your president's assassination, cold war, gulf war (which had nothing to do with islam), oklahoma terrorist attacks, and still think the US was safe before al qaeda? ignorant statement of the highest order. Fact is, US will always have enemies, and NOT only those opposed to freedom. Muslim extremists are just the latest scapegoat.
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
I am speaking about islamic terror attacks..
keep up
jpmac23 2 years ago
as opposed to your country's media brainwashing people (u included) to somehow believe that islam is evil, and creating an environment of constant paranoia. Amber alerts? give me a fuckin break..where were the alerts during the REAL attacks? Your government wanted u to live in a state of fear, which kept the war machine moving..why else is bin laden still at large?
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
bin laden is dead
they keep him alive cause there would be nothing left to fight for
Iamnr 2 years ago
by the way christians do kill in the name of God
Right wing christians in america have been blowing up abortion clinics for years
aborion clinic staff have been shot over several years.. one was shot and killed recently in america
reverent jim jones made 1000 of his followers commit suicide (Google -jones town)
you of all people should know the secterian divides in northern ireland and scotland
Iamnr 2 years ago
shot i forgot the spanish inquisition
catholic court .. which tortured confesion out of people killing thousands of people
i really suggest you do some research into right win extremist christianity, the evils of christinaity and the crusades
but one thing i am not saying though is that all christians are evil
do you see my point now
Iamnr 2 years ago
spanish inquisition
Yes well try the Queen Of England killing innocent Catholics in Scotland, France & her Own Country England, tore their intestines out while alive, beheaded catholics & stuck their heads on poles in the town.
Burnt Catholics at the stake all because we wouldnt convert.
England invaded Scotland, England Invaded Wales, England invaded Ireland.
We all want independence, we want no part in England nor the Crown.
jpmac23 2 years ago
Yes i am quite aware who jim jones was, the drug user that started a cult, he started off as a reverend but then the drugs messed with his head & he though he was the messiah & took his people to a land of their own, then he made them all drink the drink to kill them..
Whats that got to do with Christianity?
You dont honestly believe this guy was Christian now do you?
You no that suicide is a big sin in Christianity dont you?
jpmac23 2 years ago
'You no that suicide is a big sin in Christianity dont you?'
how bout the Quran:
''And whoever commits suicide with a piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire''
''Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever''
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
''Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever''
So what about when the muslims through homosexuals off mountains to kill them?
Did God not create all in his Image? Did God not give life to all, are humans not created in the likeness of God?
If yes then why persecute homosexuals for something they have no control over.
jpmac23 2 years ago
lol. This is not a reason to proclaim islam as evil; I am not proclaiming christianity as evil am I? That would be almost as ignorant as you.
Why not ask all those questions to a priest? You'd get similar answers from a muslim. You should revise your knowledge on Sodom and Gomorrah...also I remember my first job at a theme park, I worked on the 2nd 'gay day' ever, and there was a massive protest outside..by priests.
I'm still waiting on why islam is being singled out as evil.
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
Catholicism believes the Homosexual sex to be the sin, they dont believe that gays are worth death.
Didnt you know this? did you think gays where not allowed at mass?
Because they are.
If my God is homophobic then i wouldnt be worshiping him, these are the words from Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
The newly elected Roman Catholic Bishop has said that being gay should be seen as a gift from God rather than a sin.
jpmac23 2 years ago
"The newly elected Roman Catholic Bishop has said that being gay should be seen as a gift from God rather than a sin. "
thats what he said..not christianity
so, why cant they be ordained as priests if christianity sees tham as equals
by the way i have many muslim freinds who think it is acceptable to be gay
when i worked with a muslim guy a gay guy and several white guys it was the white gusy that were the most homophobic.. muslim guy never said anything bad
Iamnr 2 years ago
The Church Of Scotland has just Ordained a openly Gay man.
Are you that clueless.
If homosexuals are wrong which i believe they are not, then it will be God's place to do the judging, not man.
Yes their are many homophobes but in actual fact, they are homophobic because they have 9 times out of 10 repressed homosexuals themselves.
FACT
jpmac23 2 years ago
what about the catholic church
and half of the anglican church
Iamnr 2 years ago
Yes Anglican Churches in England have openly gay Vicars & lesbian Vicars.
The Catholic Church has gay priests, plenty of Gay priests but they go selibate.
The Pope knows there are gay priests, bishops ect but they have chosen to be celibate so they are doing no wrong according to the Pope.
I pray one day we get a young Pope, a Pope of this day & age that welcomes all who believe in God, sexuality being left private, if you believe in Christ then you are saved, no questions asked
jpmac23 2 years ago
I like how you swerve past the pre-revolution Iran comment.
Do you think that Islam was like it is today back then?
Because you are SO WRONG.
I believe that islamic Extremists use the Quran to approve the killing of non muslims..
In the Quran it tells you exactly what to do to the ''unbelievers'' Smite at their necks, ect ect the list is endless, the quran is a mumble jumble of Judaism, Christianity & Paganism.
Molded together
jpmac23 2 years ago
you are absolutely no one to comment on life in Iran, because you haven't lived or grown up there. Neither am I, which is why I didn't even bring it up.
It's just hilarity to me..your ridiculously-biased views. All these so-called 'advancements' gays made in western society is NOT due to any revision made by God, or his prophets..it's simply a side-effect of a contradictory religion that people have strayed from slowly over the ages, to a point where people pick and choose what to follow.
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
So the Jewish people that are the chosen by God Almighty, why dont they still cover themselves head to toe?
Why has the Jewish Laws been relaxed?
I'll tell you why, because those laws are from thousands of years ago, that time has passed, we evolve.
Islam was never like it is today 30 odd years ago, you must know this if you have brains.
You will then know that islam was pulled back thousands of years by islamic extremists
jpmac23 2 years ago
"You will then know that islam was pulled back thousands of years by islamic extremists "
so can we agree that it is not islam that is but but islamist extremists
and those are in a minority
Iamnr 2 years ago
@"So what about when the muslims through homosexuals off mountains to kill them?
"
look what God did to sodom and gomorah
still gay people cant be ordained as priests
look at right wing christian america
and you think christians dont persecute gay people lol
Iamnr 2 years ago
They dont kill them now do they.
Listen the story of Sodom & Gommorah, the villiage was destroyed because men was raping Angelic men that came to the village, God's Angels went down & was in a house when the men came banging on the door for the Angels to come out so they could RAPE them.
God Almighty Struck that village down because of this.
Not because male & male was in relationships or having sex, it was destroyed because of male RAPE.
Get to no the Bible
jpmac23 2 years ago
kuruptzZz how different Iran was before the Revolution...
Funny isnt it.
Muslim women in short skirts, women in education, women dressed in sleeveless tops, women in the Army, men in clothes with colour, children laughing, playing.
Music, tv, fun..
Then the Revolution came & women was covered head to toe, not educated, thrown back thousands of years.
Iran was a brilliant country then.
Look what Islamic extremists have done to it now
jpmac23 2 years ago
this is why the US will never be free of enemies; you will never stop trying to force your agendas and beliefs on other people. If you're not from the US, you're from the UK, which historically is much more guilty. In Canada we are relatively safe (until we got caught up in US' bs), you figure out why.
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
Ohhhh so your from Canada..
So are you for the Crown?
jpmac23 2 years ago
did you really need desmond tutu to tell you that homosexuality is OK? I have my own beliefs, thanks. I don't strictly let any religion tell me how to live. That being said, I have a great deal of respect for muslims because they have consistent beliefs, laid out for them in the quran which is virtually free of contradiction compared to other religious texts. The actual text itself is very hard to translate to modern arabic, nevermind english, so naturally some will always use it to gain power.
kuruptzZz 2 years ago
The irony of it all is that he does not see the IRA killing tousands of innocent men women and children and shooting mourners at burials as evil.or as bad as muslim suicide bombers. he thinks it is ok because of the past evils of england and his people are fighting for their rights.. sounds awfully firmiliar.. sounds like something achmed would say
still yet.. even thought the IRA and real IRA have killed innocent people i dont think all of the irish are evil
Iamnr 2 years ago